Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Leighton Sheppard]

Thanks for sharing, looks a great resource... I personally use OpenBSD on my 
lappy,as a desktop OS and it works very well indeed (Thinkpad x230, 4GB ram and 
128GB SSD).


On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:43:13AM +0200, Olivier Burelli wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:56:52 -0500 (CDT)
> Eric Johnson  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Rupert Gallagher wrote:
> > 
> > > I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell
> > > Optiplex gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC
> > > RAM, returning a passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the
> > > accountant's windows 10 pro tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his
> > > more recent Dell. In summary, I have everything he needs, including a
> > > gui that looks like windows 7, except for the following, so far:
> > 
> > I don't know about the Optiplex gx620, but I have a refurbished Optiplex
> > 790 that I bought earlier this year.  It gave me all kinds of problems
> > with network issues and ssh.  For example, when I ran syspatch after the
> > first three patches were released, sshd would no longer run if I was using
> > IPv6.  Also, connections to other machines would fail suddenly, sometimes
> > within seconds.
> > 
> > I stuck in another disk and installed Fedora Workstation on it and had the
> > same issues so it wasn't because of OpenBSD.
> > 
> > I ended up upgrading the firmware and that seems to have fixed the issues.
> > That proved to be a bit of a problem because you have to be running
> > Windows to upgrade the firmware.  I have some old versions of Windows
> > around, but they all require IDE drives.  I finally got Windows running
> > (it sure ran slow compared to OpenBSD) and installed the firmware.
> > 
> > I bought this computer to become my primary workstation replacing a Lenovo
> > desktop running SuSE Linux.  I have a couple of packages that need Linux
> > so I'll keep the older workstation, but on another table, and use ssh from
> > this computer as necessary.
> > 
> > For what it's worth, my top preference for a window manager is
> > WindowMaker.  That's all I've used for years on both OpenBSD and Linux.
> > 
> > Eric
> 
> 
> No one talked about this personnal project ?
> 
> http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=10229
> 
> It's running fine on all minimalist configuration...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Olivier  Burelli 
> 

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Olivier Burelli]

On Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:56:52 -0500 (CDT)
Eric Johnson  wrote:

> 
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Rupert Gallagher wrote:
> 
> > I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell
> > Optiplex gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC
> > RAM, returning a passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the
> > accountant's windows 10 pro tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his
> > more recent Dell. In summary, I have everything he needs, including a
> > gui that looks like windows 7, except for the following, so far:
> 
> I don't know about the Optiplex gx620, but I have a refurbished Optiplex
> 790 that I bought earlier this year.  It gave me all kinds of problems
> with network issues and ssh.  For example, when I ran syspatch after the
> first three patches were released, sshd would no longer run if I was using
> IPv6.  Also, connections to other machines would fail suddenly, sometimes
> within seconds.
> 
> I stuck in another disk and installed Fedora Workstation on it and had the
> same issues so it wasn't because of OpenBSD.
> 
> I ended up upgrading the firmware and that seems to have fixed the issues.
> That proved to be a bit of a problem because you have to be running
> Windows to upgrade the firmware.  I have some old versions of Windows
> around, but they all require IDE drives.  I finally got Windows running
> (it sure ran slow compared to OpenBSD) and installed the firmware.
> 
> I bought this computer to become my primary workstation replacing a Lenovo
> desktop running SuSE Linux.  I have a couple of packages that need Linux
> so I'll keep the older workstation, but on another table, and use ssh from
> this computer as necessary.
> 
> For what it's worth, my top preference for a window manager is
> WindowMaker.  That's all I've used for years on both OpenBSD and Linux.
> 
> Eric


No one talked about this personnal project ?

http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=10229

It's running fine on all minimalist configuration...


-- 
Olivier  Burelli 

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[G]

Yes I though about it but I didn't care that much. My webcam don't work
on openbsd anyway. Can you make video calls?


On 06/12/17 22:55, Shteryana Shopova wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Marcus MERIGHI  wrote:
>> eri...@colossus.gruver.net (Eric Johnson), 2017.06.13 (Tue) 12:23 (CEST):
> 
> ...
> 

 -Do you need to propriety programs like Skype?
 Skype don't run on openbsd
>>>
>>> It looks like Skype can be used from Chrome as an extension added from the
>>> web store.  I haven't tried it.
>>
>> All I got in Iridium was, after successful install and logon:
>> "Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet.
>> Please try it on your desktop computer instead."
>>
>> (signal app works, btw.)
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>> Telegram works on OpenBSD as a Chrome extension.
> 
> I'd suggest installing a "User Agent Switcher" or similar plugin/addon
> depending on the browser you use and setting the User agent for web
> skype to "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:50.0) Gecko/xxx
> Firefox/yy.z" or smth similar that tricks Skype into thinking it runs
> in a Linux browser - that's how I managed to get pass that annoying
> "Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet." message and
> actually use it.
> 
> cheers,
> Shteryana
> 

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[flipchan]

I run mine with xfce works great

On June 12, 2017 7:45:13 AM GMT+02:00, Rupert Gallagher  
wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Davor Balder 
>wrote:
>
>> xfce is available and you should be able to use mac-like shortcuts
>there. I think this relates to your chaoice of window manager/desktop
>environment. We have choices!
>
>Using xfce already, but Apple-like shortcuts did not work so far.
>
>> I've been using seamonkey and qutebrowser with good results.
>
>Will try them.
>
>I have a privacy and security protocol that I could implement on
>firefox only, across different OSs, with extensions, configurations and
>changes to the code. The result is better than torbrowser.
>
>I installed chromium on openbsd, but was greeted by chrome instead. I
>tried hard to to secure chrome, but each step I took resulted in
>greater leaks.
>
>I expected the openbsd version of both ff and chrome to be safer by
>default. There is s lot of work to be done. Will share more next
>weekend.
>
>R

-- 
Take Care Sincerely flipchan layerprox dev

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Mihai Popescu]

> I'd suggest installing a "User Agent Switcher"

I'd suggest installing Windows and since it is not an OpenBSD issue,
let M$ deal with that.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Shteryana Shopova]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Marcus MERIGHI  wrote:
> eri...@colossus.gruver.net (Eric Johnson), 2017.06.13 (Tue) 12:23 (CEST):

...

>> >
>> > -Do you need to propriety programs like Skype?
>> > Skype don't run on openbsd
>>
>> It looks like Skype can be used from Chrome as an extension added from the
>> web store.  I haven't tried it.
>
> All I got in Iridium was, after successful install and logon:
> "Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet.
> Please try it on your desktop computer instead."
>
> (signal app works, btw.)
>
> Marcus
>
>> Telegram works on OpenBSD as a Chrome extension.

I'd suggest installing a "User Agent Switcher" or similar plugin/addon
depending on the browser you use and setting the User agent for web
skype to "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:50.0) Gecko/xxx
Firefox/yy.z" or smth similar that tricks Skype into thinking it runs
in a Linux browser - that's how I managed to get pass that annoying
"Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet." message and
actually use it.

cheers,
Shteryana

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Marcus MERIGHI]

eri...@colossus.gruver.net (Eric Johnson), 2017.06.13 (Tue) 12:23 (CEST):
> 
> 
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, G wrote:
> 
> > I would say it depends.
> >
> > 1. What are your requirements
> >
> > -Do you need to propriety programs like Skype?
> > Skype don't run on openbsd
> 
> It looks like Skype can be used from Chrome as an extension added from the
> web store.  I haven't tried it.

All I got in Iridium was, after successful install and logon:
"Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet.
Please try it on your desktop computer instead."

(signal app works, btw.)

Marcus

> Telegram works on OpenBSD as a Chrome extension.
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> !DSPAM:593ebec0263452110416735!
> 

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Eric Johnson]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Rupert Gallagher wrote:

> I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell
> Optiplex gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC
> RAM, returning a passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the
> accountant's windows 10 pro tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his
> more recent Dell. In summary, I have everything he needs, including a
> gui that looks like windows 7, except for the following, so far:

I don't know about the Optiplex gx620, but I have a refurbished Optiplex
790 that I bought earlier this year.  It gave me all kinds of problems
with network issues and ssh.  For example, when I ran syspatch after the
first three patches were released, sshd would no longer run if I was using
IPv6.  Also, connections to other machines would fail suddenly, sometimes
within seconds.

I stuck in another disk and installed Fedora Workstation on it and had the
same issues so it wasn't because of OpenBSD.

I ended up upgrading the firmware and that seems to have fixed the issues.
That proved to be a bit of a problem because you have to be running
Windows to upgrade the firmware.  I have some old versions of Windows
around, but they all require IDE drives.  I finally got Windows running
(it sure ran slow compared to OpenBSD) and installed the firmware.

I bought this computer to become my primary workstation replacing a Lenovo
desktop running SuSE Linux.  I have a couple of packages that need Linux
so I'll keep the older workstation, but on another table, and use ssh from
this computer as necessary.

For what it's worth, my top preference for a window manager is
WindowMaker.  That's all I've used for years on both OpenBSD and Linux.

Eric

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Eric Johnson]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, G wrote:

> I would say it depends.
>
> 1. What are your requirements
>
> -Do you need to propriety programs like Skype?
> Skype don't run on openbsd

It looks like Skype can be used from Chrome as an extension added from the
web store.  I haven't tried it.

Telegram works on OpenBSD as a Chrome extension.

Eric

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Shazaum]

of course Soul_of_Root

On 06/09/2017 04:39 PM, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote:
> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Donald Allen]

On 12 June 2017 at 03:02, Anthony Campbell  wrote:
> On 11 Jun 2017, Donald Allen wrote:
>> On 11 June 2017 at 19:16, Davor Balder  wrote:
>>
>> They are not everyone's cup of tea, but I use a tiling window manager
>> with OpenBSD (I like xmonad, but there are other choices: dwm, i3,
>> awesome; there's also spectrwm, written originally, I believe, by
>> someone formerly associated with OpenBSD; I've tried it multiple times
>> over the years and always had problems with it). The point of these
> [snip]
>
> Interesting; I've used spectrwm exclusively for the last 3+ years and
> like it better than any of the tiling alternatives.

It's been quite awhile since I tried it and it's possible the issues
I've encountered have been fixed. Or that they were specific to my
video hardware.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Rupert Gallagher]

Re: iridium

Nice try, but my FF scores much better results.
I will dig into iridium's source next weekend.

R

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Solène Rapenne]

Je 2017-06-12 07:45, Rupert Gallagher skribis:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Davor Balder  
wrote:


xfce is available and you should be able to use mac-like shortcuts 
there. I think this relates to your chaoice of window manager/desktop

environment. We have choices!

Using xfce already, but Apple-like shortcuts did not work so far.


I've been using seamonkey and qutebrowser with good results.


Will try them.

I have a privacy and security protocol that I could implement on
firefox only, across different OSs, with extensions, configurations
and changes to the code. The result is better than torbrowser.

I installed chromium on openbsd, but was greeted by chrome instead. I
tried hard to to secure chrome, but each step I took resulted in
greater leaks.

I expected the openbsd version of both ff and chrome to be safer by
default. There is s lot of work to be done. Will share more next
weekend.

R


You can use iridium instead of chromium

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 11 Jun 2017, Donald Allen wrote:
> On 11 June 2017 at 19:16, Davor Balder  wrote:
> 
> They are not everyone's cup of tea, but I use a tiling window manager
> with OpenBSD (I like xmonad, but there are other choices: dwm, i3,
> awesome; there's also spectrwm, written originally, I believe, by
> someone formerly associated with OpenBSD; I've tried it multiple times
> over the years and always had problems with it). The point of these
[snip] 

Interesting; I've used spectrwm exclusively for the last 3+ years and
like it better than any of the tiling alternatives.

-- 
Anthony Campbellhttp://www.acampbell.uk

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Rupert Gallagher]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Davor Balder  wrote:

> xfce is available and you should be able to use mac-like shortcuts there. I 
> think this relates to your chaoice of window manager/desktop
environment. We have choices!

Using xfce already, but Apple-like shortcuts did not work so far.

> I've been using seamonkey and qutebrowser with good results.

Will try them.

I have a privacy and security protocol that I could implement on firefox only, 
across different OSs, with extensions, configurations and changes to the code. 
The result is better than torbrowser.

I installed chromium on openbsd, but was greeted by chrome instead. I tried 
hard to to secure chrome, but each step I took resulted in greater leaks.

I expected the openbsd version of both ff and chrome to be safer by default. 
There is s lot of work to be done. Will share more next weekend.

R

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Davor Balder]

On 06/12/17 10:54, Donald Allen wrote:

On 11 June 2017 at 19:16, Davor Balder  wrote:


On 06/12/17 06:06, Rupert Gallagher wrote:

I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell Optiplex
gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC RAM, returning a
passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the accountant's windows 10 pro
tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his more recent Dell. In summary, I
have everything he needs, including a gui that looks like windows 7, except
for the following, so far:

a toolbar icon for the printer and a gui for cups, configuring and testing
the printer (cups), the scanner (sane),  and the remote desktop to a windows
server (vnc).

The only thing that refrains me from using it myself is the lack of
Apple-like keyboard shortcuts on everything. They are a real time saver;
forget about mouse and menu bars, you do everything everywhere with the same
command-s, command-c, command-z, etc. By comparison, copying and pasting
across windows and vim on other OSs is a royal pain. Opening tabs on
terminal, firefox, file manager, vim, you name it: just command-t.

They are not everyone's cup of tea, but I use a tiling window manager
with OpenBSD (I like xmonad, but there are other choices: dwm, i3,
awesome; there's also spectrwm, written originally, I believe, by
someone formerly associated with OpenBSD; I've tried it multiple times
over the years and always had problems with it). The point of these
things is, at least in part, exactly what you are talking about --
avoiding having to move between keyboard and mouse by providing
keyboard commands for just about everything (everything you describe
above is just as easy with my setup as on a Mac; I've used both and
prefer the OpenBSD/xmonad setup). Tilers also eliminate the need to
spend time rearranging windows. I do not use a desktop system; just
the window manager, the Rox filer and dmenu. I used xmobar for battery
and date-time info displayed on the bar at the top of the screen.



You are right.

For example on my setup, I've been playing with cwm and fvwm of late. I 
also have xfce and gnome installed that I use less frequently.


A word of warning: I found I have issues with libreoffice running in cwm 
(it crashes). However, if I load thunar then crashes are not as 
frequent.  Loading nautilus in cwm and then libreoffice completely kills 
X and puts me in command line.


Fvwm (interestingly enough) does not give me any of those issues so I 
have been running fvwm if I have to edit a document in libreoffice (my 
work requires me to do this). I am happy and comfortable with this 
minimalist setup. Command line is my friend!


I will be happier when abiword is updated to the recent version (there 
is a black screen bug with the current port/version). Abiword is lighter 
than libreoffice writer.


Cheers

D

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Donald Allen]

On 11 June 2017 at 19:16, Davor Balder  wrote:
>
>
> On 06/12/17 06:06, Rupert Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell Optiplex
>> gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC RAM, returning a
>> passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the accountant's windows 10 pro
>> tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his more recent Dell. In summary, I
>> have everything he needs, including a gui that looks like windows 7, except
>> for the following, so far:
>>
>> a toolbar icon for the printer and a gui for cups, configuring and testing
>> the printer (cups), the scanner (sane),  and the remote desktop to a windows
>> server (vnc).
>>
>> The only thing that refrains me from using it myself is the lack of
>> Apple-like keyboard shortcuts on everything. They are a real time saver;
>> forget about mouse and menu bars, you do everything everywhere with the same
>> command-s, command-c, command-z, etc. By comparison, copying and pasting
>> across windows and vim on other OSs is a royal pain. Opening tabs on
>> terminal, firefox, file manager, vim, you name it: just command-t.

They are not everyone's cup of tea, but I use a tiling window manager
with OpenBSD (I like xmonad, but there are other choices: dwm, i3,
awesome; there's also spectrwm, written originally, I believe, by
someone formerly associated with OpenBSD; I've tried it multiple times
over the years and always had problems with it). The point of these
things is, at least in part, exactly what you are talking about --
avoiding having to move between keyboard and mouse by providing
keyboard commands for just about everything (everything you describe
above is just as easy with my setup as on a Mac; I've used both and
prefer the OpenBSD/xmonad setup). Tilers also eliminate the need to
spend time rearranging windows. I do not use a desktop system; just
the window manager, the Rox filer and dmenu. I used xmobar for battery
and date-time info displayed on the bar at the top of the screen.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Davor Balder]

On 06/12/17 06:06, Rupert Gallagher wrote:

I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell Optiplex 
gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC RAM, returning a 
passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the accountant's windows 10 pro 
tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his more recent Dell. In summary, I have 
everything he needs, including a gui that looks like windows 7, except for the 
following, so far:

a toolbar icon for the printer and a gui for cups, configuring and testing the 
printer (cups), the scanner (sane),  and the remote desktop to a windows server 
(vnc).

The only thing that refrains me from using it myself is the lack of Apple-like 
keyboard shortcuts on everything. They are a real time saver; forget about 
mouse and menu bars, you do everything everywhere with the same command-s, 
command-c, command-z, etc. By comparison, copying and pasting across windows 
and vim on other OSs is a royal pain. Opening tabs on terminal, firefox, file 
manager, vim, you name it: just command-t.
xfce is available and you should be able to use mac-like shortcuts 
there. I think this relates to your chaoice of window manager/desktop 
environment. We have choices!


Anyway, it works, it is rock solid, and it is fucking fast, excuse my French. 
The only app that heats up the CPU is fucking firefox, excuse my French again. 
So, pending the above, the resulting desktop OS would be good enough for 
everyday office use, PXE bootable and ansible/remotely configurable.

I've been using seamonkey and qutebrowser with good results.

*By comparison, the NUC6I5SYK has a passmark of 4300, 12x faster than this Dell.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Rupert Gallagher]

I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell Optiplex 
gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC RAM, returning a 
passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the accountant's windows 10 pro 
tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his more recent Dell. In summary, I have 
everything he needs, including a gui that looks like windows 7, except for the 
following, so far:

a toolbar icon for the printer and a gui for cups, configuring and testing the 
printer (cups), the scanner (sane),  and the remote desktop to a windows server 
(vnc).

The only thing that refrains me from using it myself is the lack of Apple-like 
keyboard shortcuts on everything. They are a real time saver; forget about 
mouse and menu bars, you do everything everywhere with the same command-s, 
command-c, command-z, etc. By comparison, copying and pasting across windows 
and vim on other OSs is a royal pain. Opening tabs on terminal, firefox, file 
manager, vim, you name it: just command-t.

Anyway, it works, it is rock solid, and it is fucking fast, excuse my French. 
The only app that heats up the CPU is fucking firefox, excuse my French again. 
So, pending the above, the resulting desktop OS would be good enough for 
everyday office use, PXE bootable and ansible/remotely configurable.

*By comparison, the NUC6I5SYK has a passmark of 4300, 12x faster than this Dell.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Mihai Popescu]

> FWIW, that's not the name he's been using

Is that '55' from 'SOUL_OF_ROOT 55' a 'SS' in fact?

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Alexander Hall]

>With a name like SOUL_OF_ROOT_CANAL I wonder what he is trying to

FWIW, that's not the name he's been using.

So far he hasn't proven to be anything but an ass though.

Cheers, Alexander

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[flipchan]

Yes just download the desktop manager u want with pkg_add 

On June 9, 2017 9:39:30 PM GMT+02:00, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 <soulofroo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

-- 
Take Care Sincerely flipchan layerprox dev

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[bytevolcano]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 02:32:10 +0300
li...@wrant.com wrote:
...
> Hi Nicolas,
> 
> Soul of root canal is a half retarded troll, totally lacking any
> character. I can not believe you're still falling for their simply
> elemental tactics..
> 
> There is one absolutely zero diff between my init reply and Nick
> Holland's. Continued further this thread is funny, amusing, and a
> complete time waste.
> 
> For the time being I can say you're all right and correct, but about
> amiss. It is not any question "can they", it is those questions why
> "won't they"..
> 
> OpenBSD has always been and will continue to be, most developer use
> system. Many if not most of us use the system on all machines
> completely dedicated.
> 
> You, Nicolas, can not defend any troll position here.  They can not
> use it.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Anton Lazarov
> 

With a name like SOUL_OF_ROOT_CANAL I wonder what he is trying to
achieve. He's not likely to hurt anyone, but he'll get a lot of
mischievous or sarcastic responses.

As for using OpenBSD as a desktop system: yes it is possible with a bit
of work. Over the years I have created a decent configuration of a basic
desktop using the FVWM in the base. The good thing is that once you
have done the hard work, it seems to survive major updates if you back
up the right config files, sure beats Windows and the registry.

As newer versions of OpenBSD are released, I may tweak the setup if the
new release comes with an interesting feature, or removes a feature, or
allows my configuration to be simpler.

I hope to put Windows to rest by 2020, just as Windows 7 reaches the
end of extended support.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[lists]

Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:43:19 +0200 Marc Espie <es...@nerim.net>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 12:55:04PM +0200, Nicolas Schmidt wrote:
> >   
> > >> On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote:
> > >> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?  
> > > 
> > > You?  No, I doubt it.  
> > ...  
> > > But, you are welcome, and invited  
> > ...  
> > > Nick.  
> > 
> > Nick, I don't think you were being either welcoming or inviting there.  
> 
> Oh, come on this list isn't politically correct, and Nick's answer was
> very funny. If the original poster doesn't see the humor, well, he's 
> probably not right for OpenBSD in any case.
> 
> And yeah, you must be this tall to run OpenBSD pretty much says it all
> actually.

Hi Nicolas,

Soul of root canal is a half retarded troll, totally lacking any character.
I can not believe you're still falling for their simply elemental tactics..

There is one absolutely zero diff between my init reply and Nick Holland's.
Continued further this thread is funny, amusing, and a complete time waste.

For the time being I can say you're all right and correct, but about amiss.
It is not any question "can they", it is those questions why "won't they"..

OpenBSD has always been and will continue to be, most developer use system.
Many if not most of us use the system on all machines completely dedicated.

You, Nicolas, can not defend any troll position here.  They can not use it.

Kind regards,
Anton Lazarov

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Marc Espie]

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 12:55:04PM +0200, Nicolas Schmidt wrote:
> 
> >> On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote:
> >> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
> > 
> > You?  No, I doubt it.
> ...
> > But, you are welcome, and invited
> ...
> > Nick.
> 
> Nick, I don't think you were being either welcoming or inviting there.

Oh, come on this list isn't politically correct, and Nick's answer was
very funny. If the original poster doesn't see the humor, well, he's 
probably not right for OpenBSD in any case.

And yeah, you must be this tall to run OpenBSD pretty much says it all
actually.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[G]

I would say it depends.

1. What are your requirements

-Do you need to propriety programs like Skype?
Skype don't run on openbsd

-Do you need the latest software?
You might don't find the latest software on the ports. Of course you can
always port it if its open source on OpenBSD but its time consuming.

-What do you think should happen when a program has a memory bug
if you think that it should be terminated then openbsd is fine for you.

-Do you need a really secure OS?
Security is openbsd focus.



2. What is your hardware?

-OpenBSD doesn't support newer hardware. Skylake etc
 I bought my laptop last summer and my laptop wasn't usable until a
couple of months ago.
Skylake wasn't supported, I couldn't use the browser, the webcam, the
wifi, the bluetooth or the card reader and writing to my usb was
extremely slow.
I uninstall openbsd and installed it a couple of months ago. Now wifi
works (although still not perfect) and browser works fine.
I usually don't need webcam or card reader so I don't mind that much
that they don't work. I also have a second laptop in case I need webcam
or card reader.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Manuel Solis]

May i suggest you to check 
https://sivers.org/openbsd

It helped me when i was just starting because mr sivers share a few tips and 
config files to begin working with openBSD in minutes.

In my case in did change the window manager later from ratpoison to i3 and then 
finally i was able to config cwm. (Really cool to have all system up and 
running in 60 mb RAM usage!!)

Manuel

El 10/06/2017, a las 08:07, Mihai Popescu <mih...@gmail.com> escribió:

>> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
> 
> I don't think so, because OpenBSD does not care about desktop users.
> In fact, the solely purpose of OpenBSD system is to make/build the next 
> release.
> 

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Mihai Popescu]

> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

I don't think so, because OpenBSD does not care about desktop users.
In fact, the solely purpose of OpenBSD system is to make/build the next release.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Donald Allen]

On 10 June 2017 at 06:55, Nicolas Schmidt
<schmi...@mathematik.hu-berlin.de> wrote:
>
>>> On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote:
>>> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
>>
>> You?  No, I doubt it.
> ...
>> But, you are welcome, and invited
> ...
>> Nick.
>
> Nick, I don't think you were being either welcoming or inviting there.
>
> To answer OP's question: Yes of course you can, and I did so in the past. The 
> experience wasn't bad, although of course using any free Unix as a desktop 
> system is guaranteed to deliver some pain at least (don't expect it to "just 
> work").

I disagree a bit. Over the years, I've run a variety of Linux systems,
plus all the BSD systems, including Dragonfly. Quite awhile ago, I
settled on OpenBSD as my primary system, and I run it on all my
machines where the hardware is supported, which pretty much means
something other than Nvidia video hardware (I have one such beast, on
which I run Slackware). Installing OpenBSD is as painless as any of
them and probably takes less time than any of them to get to the
initial boot-up. I have a script that sets up PKG_PATH and then
pkg_adds the packages I need. I run a minimal setup, with a window
manager and a few supporting applications, e.g., dmenu, rox, I do find
that I have to modify the default datasizes in /etc/login.conf to
prevent firefox from running out of memory and collapsing. I also set
up an /etc/doas.conf (thank you Ted!) so things that require root
privileges can be done without a fuss.

I've chosen this system because of the attention to security, its
quality (it is just rock solid), and the documentation (the best, by a
significant margin). Performance was an issue for me in the past, but
that is no longer the case. I've gotten the impression that a lot of
effort has gone into performance recently and it shows. I run
'current', by the way, and the only problems I've encountered were my
own doing.

/Don

>
> Nicolas

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Nicolas Schmidt]

>> On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote:
>> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
> 
> You?  No, I doubt it.
...
> But, you are welcome, and invited
...
> Nick.

Nick, I don't think you were being either welcoming or inviting there.

To answer OP's question: Yes of course you can, and I did so in the past. The 
experience wasn't bad, although of course using any free Unix as a desktop 
system is guaranteed to deliver some pain at least (don't expect it to "just 
work").

Nicolas

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Stephane HUC "PengouinBSD"]

Yes, u can!
And you can read the FAQ about X Window System:
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html

;)

In fact, i use on Dell AlienWare AW13 :p

Le 06/09/17 à 21:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 a écrit :
> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
> 

-- 
~ " Fully Basic System Distinguish Life! " ~ " Libre as a BSD " +=<<<

Stephane HUC as PengouinBSD or CIOTBSD
b...@stephane-huc.net



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Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Solène Rapenne]

typing startx isn't even needed if you enable xenodm at install

Je 2017-06-10 00:00, Edgar Pettijohn skribis:

As long as you can type startx at the command prompt, then yes.

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On Jun 9, 2017, 3:07 PM, at 3:07 PM, Johan Mellberg
<johan.mellb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes.

2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 <soulofroo...@gmail.com>:


Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Nick Holland]

On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote:
> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

You?  No, I doubt it.

Me, it's pretty much all I use as a home desktop system.

But you didn't seem to want to give it a try to find out for yourself,
or define what you mean by a "desktop system", or do some basic
research, like maybe googling for "openbsd desktop".  So it might be
quite an uphill battle for you.   You must be so --->  <--- smart to
ride this ride.

But, you are welcome, and invited, to give it a try.  Prove me wrong! :)

Nick.

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Ingo Schwarze]

Johan Mellberg wrote on Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 10:06:18PM +0200:
> 2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 <soulofroo...@gmail.com>:

>> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

> Yes.

To provide an example:

On my private desktops and laptops, i never ran anything else since 2001.

And even at work, i only made two exceptions:

>From 2003 to 2006, i had one Windows desktop at work because i had to run
a specific commercial binary-only accounting software.

And for a few months in 2007, i ran Debian GNU/Linux on one desktop
at a new job in a software company before i defied the official
company policy of "you can run whatever you want on your desktop,
but it must be Linux" and installed OpenBSD instead.  If anybody
had ever asked, my answer would have been "I consider OpenBSD a
Linux distribution: for all practical purposes, i can run the same
software on it, and i can work much more efficiently with it."
But nobody ever asked.

For the last ten years, nothing else on the desktop, neither privately
nor at work...

Yours,
  Ingo

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Davor Balder]

Installing is not hard. It can be done in 15 min if you are comfortable
with UNIX.

Peruse this and enjoy: http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/openbsd.html#0

Cheers

D


On 10/06/17 06:06, Johan Mellberg wrote:
> Yes.
>
> 2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 <soulofroo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
>>

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Edgar Pettijohn]

As long as you can type startx at the command prompt, then yes.

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On Jun 9, 2017, 3:07 PM, at 3:07 PM, Johan Mellberg <johan.mellb...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>Yes.
>
>2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 <soulofroo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
>>

Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[Johan Mellberg]

Yes.

2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 <soulofroo...@gmail.com>:

> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
>

Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?

[SOUL_OF_ROOT 55]

Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?