Re: [NTG-context] Finding documentation for ConTeXt
On 1/28/2013 6:38 PM, Mari Voipio wrote: There used to be a project to create a test suite with various types of files, but the links on the wiki refer to something from 2009 and that is, as you say, probably a be obsolete. I remember somebody talking about the test suite at one of the more recent ConTeXt there's a zip file with lots of examples and tests on the website that is used as (part of the) test suite Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Finding documentation for ConTeXt
Hi Everybody,
I am becoming more and more interested in ConTeXt.
I am gradually grasping the potential of ConTeXt and its
advantages over Lua(La)TeX.
My problem is finding decent documentation for ConTeXt.
Yes, there is ConTeXt Garden. But, let us be honest it is a big mess.
It mixes the old, the bad and the good.
I will admit the information there has improved greatly, and
YET finding the good and recent is not that easy.
Furthermore, since I am interested in what one can and can not
do in ConTeXt, I do not know ahead of time exactly what I am looking
for. Basically, I literally just stumble over what is good and interesting.
That would not be that bad if following the different links would not get
one lost and one can not your way back.
What would be needed are some decent top level entry points!
On Pragma there, also, are some very good documents, but if you
do not know where to look or what to look for, good searching!!
I know all you guys and gals working on ConTeXt are working hard,
but I hate to bother you with questions I want to do this or that, how do I
or where can I find a guide on manual for this and that. You have more
important things to do.
Wolfgang help me with finding a ConTeXt-Lua Programming guide by Hans.
sure its new, BUT could we put such guides into the Standalone distribution!
Even if they are incomplete!
What I could use is, now, is a ConTeXt programming guide!
Sorry, if I seem to harsh. I do understand how much work
documentation is.
regards
Keith.
Am 27.01.2013 um 21:40 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
On 1/27/2013 5:24 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:
Dear list,
\starttext
text $\overrightarrow{OP}$ text
\stoptext
gives smaller letters since some time ago under the arrow. See the
attached pdf files for the output of different versions of context
(test.pdf is compiled with the latest beta).
I think the look in test20121210.pdf is the right one.
fixed. some more info about the updated mkiv arrow related mechanisms can be
found in
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/about.pdf
(btw, one needs the latest greatest lm/gyre math fonts)
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Re: [NTG-context] Finding documentation for ConTeXt
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de wrote: Hi Everybody, I am becoming more and more interested in ConTeXt. I am gradually grasping the potential of ConTeXt and its advantages over Lua(La)TeX. My problem is finding decent documentation for ConTeXt. have you seen also http://www.h2o-boeken.nl/catalog/5 ? -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Finding documentation for ConTeXt
Hi Luigi, I have serval books and seen these, yet I am not sure, yet If I want to put my money down, yet! What is more I do not know if they are necessarily what I need. Then there is the question, if they are up to date enough with the fast advancing MKIV. regards Keith. Am 28.01.2013 um 10:42 schrieb luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de wrote: Hi Everybody, I am becoming more and more interested in ConTeXt. I am gradually grasping the potential of ConTeXt and its advantages over Lua(La)TeX. My problem is finding decent documentation for ConTeXt. have you seen also http://www.h2o-boeken.nl/catalog/5 ? ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Finding documentation for ConTeXt
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, Keith J. Schultz wrote: My problem is finding decent documentation for ConTeXt. Yes, there is ConTeXt Garden. But, let us be honest it is a big mess. It mixes the old, the bad and the good. I will admit the information there has improved greatly, and YET finding the good and recent is not that easy. Furthermore, since I am interested in what one can and can not do in ConTeXt, I do not know ahead of time exactly what I am looking for. Basically, I literally just stumble over what is good and interesting. That would not be that bad if following the different links would not get one lost and one can not your way back. See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Template:Getting_started_navbox Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Finding documentation for ConTeXt
Hi Aditya, Thanx for the link. I have already can across several of the the links on this page/NAV-box(!!), and bookmark them. I had notice such boxes before, but considered them to contain database information and not further links! Learn new things everyday. One thing is for such I can not get to this page via the ConTeXt Main Page! At least I think not. (?) Would be nice if this page was link to from the main page. Again, many thanx. regards Keith. Am 28.01.2013 um 15:23 schrieb Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu: On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, Keith J. Schultz wrote: My problem is finding decent documentation for ConTeXt. Yes, there is ConTeXt Garden. But, let us be honest it is a big mess. It mixes the old, the bad and the good. I will admit the information there has improved greatly, and YET finding the good and recent is not that easy. Furthermore, since I am interested in what one can and can not do in ConTeXt, I do not know ahead of time exactly what I am looking for. Basically, I literally just stumble over what is good and interesting. That would not be that bad if following the different links would not get one lost and one can not your way back. See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Template:Getting_started_navbox ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Finding documentation for ConTeXt
I think that one of the problems is that ConTeXt can do almost anything, if you know how to ask it to do that. What I do is different what most people use it for, but it works (http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-pagedesign.pdf and http://www.lucet.fi/2013/01/metaposting/ and http://www.lucet.fi/2012/12/twpatterns/). There used to be a project to create a test suite with various types of files, but the links on the wiki refer to something from 2009 and that is, as you say, probably a be obsolete. I remember somebody talking about the test suite at one of the more recent ConTeXt meetings (2011/2012) - anyone with more info on that project? I think it'd help Keith (and many others, me included) to see what can be done. If you do not want to splurge in the books, the revised chapters on typography, fonts and pagedesign are recommended reading and pretty well up-to-date. They are linked to the main page of the garden, but these take you directly to the pdfs: http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-typography.pdf http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-fonts.pdf http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-pagedesign.pdf Other than that, it'd be helpful to know what you are looking for: are interested in typography, doing layouts for you and others? Is automated workflow what you are looking for? Dealing with maths? XML? What about dealing with colour? Interactivity? I guess I've resigned to the fact that ConTeXt is so huge that I'll never know more than a fraction of it - so I operate on a need-to-know basis. I learn something either because I'm certain it can be done or because I've seen it at a ConTeXt meeting or heard about it (a remark by Hans is to be blamed for my recent MetaPosting excursions). A slightly off-topic thought: there are hundreds of manuals on Microsoft Word. However, once you start going deeper into the program, it is not *that* easy to find a single good manual on the subject. With ConTeXt it is the other way round, finding 'for Dummies' information is hard, but once you want to dive deep, the developers are on this list to answer questions. Just my five cents on the subject, Mari (who still remembers what things were like before the wiki. this is much better.) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Finding documentation for ConTeXt
Hi Mari, I thank you for you post. Basically, what I want to do is not in ConTeXt. So will have to develop it myself. One such need I have is the use of Nassi-Schneidermann Diagrams. I also, what to develop something along the line of literate programming. For that I will create Data structures on the Lua side and then visualize with ConTeXt in the form of UML, flowcharts, program specifications and documentation and the output of the actual programming code. Also, there are the things that ConTeXt and Lua(La)TeX do not offer or are not the way I like it. From your Link to the co-font.links.pdf I was able to look at the directory it was in. Interesting, is that its coresponding tex file is a half an year younger! What I do not understand why these documents are not in the standalone distribution. Sure I can search the web, but that has been cumbersome and very time consuming. The last point you mentioned that for the deep down things there is this list. You are right. But, comprehensive manuals are for me. And I want them on my computer. Furthermore I need to understand the ConTeXt (mkiv) programming language so I understand the *mkiv files. Programming is not new to me. regards Keith. Am 28.01.2013 um 18:38 schrieb Mari Voipio mari.voi...@iki.fi: I think that one of the problems is that ConTeXt can do almost anything, if you know how to ask it to do that. What I do is different what most people use it for, but it works (http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-pagedesign.pdf and http://www.lucet.fi/2013/01/metaposting/ and http://www.lucet.fi/2012/12/twpatterns/). There used to be a project to create a test suite with various types of files, but the links on the wiki refer to something from 2009 and that is, as you say, probably a be obsolete. I remember somebody talking about the test suite at one of the more recent ConTeXt meetings (2011/2012) - anyone with more info on that project? I think it'd help Keith (and many others, me included) to see what can be done. If you do not want to splurge in the books, the revised chapters on typography, fonts and pagedesign are recommended reading and pretty well up-to-date. They are linked to the main page of the garden, but these take you directly to the pdfs: http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-typography.pdf http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-fonts.pdf http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-pagedesign.pdf Other than that, it'd be helpful to know what you are looking for: are interested in typography, doing layouts for you and others? Is automated workflow what you are looking for? Dealing with maths? XML? What about dealing with colour? Interactivity? I guess I've resigned to the fact that ConTeXt is so huge that I'll never know more than a fraction of it - so I operate on a need-to-know basis. I learn something either because I'm certain it can be done or because I've seen it at a ConTeXt meeting or heard about it (a remark by Hans is to be blamed for my recent MetaPosting excursions). A slightly off-topic thought: there are hundreds of manuals on Microsoft Word. However, once you start going deeper into the program, it is not *that* easy to find a single good manual on the subject. With ConTeXt it is the other way round, finding 'for Dummies' information is hard, but once you want to dive deep, the developers are on this list to answer questions. Just my five cents on the subject, Mari (who still remembers what things were like before the wiki. this is much better.) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
