Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
While I understand the issue that people are banning based solely on viewer ID, I don't see this as being a security issue. The client is NOT being hacked, the information is just not as easy to access as it is for a web browser. I see the info bring gathered as nothing more than the user agent string that every web browser sends. I'd go so far as to request that the viewer name and version code (as a single string following a convention in format, a la browser user agent strings) be accessable from LSL. But then, for those who think this might be a problem, we could easily add some functions into our various viewers to change the string into whatever we choose it to be. Again, just like browser useragents. Ricky Cron Stardust On Monday, May 3, 2010, Lillian Yiyuan lillie.yiy...@gmail.com wrote: This is clearly a security hole that is being exploited, so it should be fixed. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
On 2010-05-02, at 17:01, Skills Hak wrote: The people with bad reviews are mostly copybotters who have been banned by the system and are coming up with crazy quicktime hack theories, Dekadance Mint isn't even in search any more. You could eliminate the crazy quicktime hack theories if you wanted to. It's not like the scope of what you can legitimately be doing is particularly large. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
This is clearly a security hole that is being exploited, so it should be fixed. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
My mistake. I was under the impression that anything not on the list wasn't supposed to be able to get on agni. I must have read it wrong. --GC On 05/01/2010 09:50 PM, Maya Remblai wrote: Glen Canaday wrote: [14:57] GC Continental: anything not on the TPV list as of yesterday can't connect to the grid at all. This one does. Just wanted to point out, that isn't true. The TPV list is merely for advertisement, and an unlisted viewer can still connect. Cool SL and Rainbow, for instance, are not listed but are TPV compliant and have no trouble connecting. Maya ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 according to Skill LL knows how the system works and has not taken any measures to prevent it, which indicates they are ok with it On 1/5/2010 18:50, Bryon Ruxton wrote: Is that thing really exploiting a quicktime hack? I.e. Trying to protect Computer Crimes Law by violating the very same laws. If so, isn't that against the LL TOS and shouldn't it be taken down by LL? The below reviews have me raising eyebrows... https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplacefile=itemItemID=2138 424allReviews=1#reviews Sandrina Koolhoven on 2010-03-22 27 of 71 members found this review helpful. THIS system is indeed using a hack through Quicktime that gains access to a persons hard drive. This system has been torn down and looked at. Scanning yours or my HDD is a clear violation of USA Privacy laws and only LL has a right to know who your alts are, not the designer of this system Dekadance Mint on 2010-03-17 79 of 165 members found this review helpful. Easiest method to avoid detection by this device requires no compiling or programming, just add -noquicktime into the short cut, and this device can't detect you untill Skills finds a new method of detection. I say this tidbit of info because the appeal process is atrocious and horrible from my experience. On 4/30/10 10:06 PM, Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystri...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 there is Skill's CDS system On 1/5/2010 01:45, Andromeda Quonset wrote: I went there. I saw a GC Continental was on the ban list for both of the sims. That was the closest I could find to you. I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that any landowner or sim owner can use. I don't know of any way to detect via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even using. I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being restarted. Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart. At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote: There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban? I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have sworn it WAS on it)... --GC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkvdyaEACgkQ8ZFfSrFHsmVc1wCfYZUiiBiyew8MkMm5jv8OvIsW xvIAn1j/OPBoXl8BhyAZ3dm71zDKii1+ =YLlk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
as far as i can tell the detection is done by loading a url on the client. the browser in the client loads the url which is a server side script that rips apart the header of the post and searches for a certain part which happens to be the name of the client. if the name of the client matches the preset list created by skills then the name and uuid of the avatar is sent back to the system inworld and triggers the banning process on that avatar. this exact same method is used in various other detection systems already on the market. some even allow the end user to customize which clients they do not allow. i do believe that any system that is set up to ban or remove unwanted clients should be left at the users choice. personally there are a few clients that i do no tolerate anywhere near me. while others i dont mind. but im not going to give someone else the right to ban people from my land because they dont like the client those users are using. Skills is not a Linden and should not have the authority to decide which clients are allowed and which ones are not. On Sun, 02 May 2010 15:56:02 -0300, Carlo Wood ca...@alinoe.com wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 06:53:49PM -0400, Glen Canaday wrote: Though WHY anyone wouldn't want to come HERE to talk about client detection is far beyond my grasp. That's like AVG not wanting to talk to Microsoft. Probably because it's a moronic asshole, who is only interested in making money with the product and doesn't care if 1% are false positives. Not until LL comes knocking on their door anyway. I guess that the only reasonable response (unless LL wants to get involved) is to find out how the detection works and write a patch that makes SURE it won't be detected (which then can be used by everyone, but malicious viewers will do this anyway, whether or not we do or not). So, how does this thing detect the mentioned signature? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
The only way to reliably detect a client is if the client sends an MD5 hash of the executable to the login server, and that function was removed ages ago from the login process due to ease of spoofing. Requiring a unique login channel requires manual intervention to change the login channel from the official LL channel to the unique one required by the TPV, so malicious developers don't even have to lift a finger in order to bypass detection. The entire system is flawed, and I'm sure LL knows this. On Sun, 2010-05-02 at 20:56 +0200, Carlo Wood wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 06:53:49PM -0400, Glen Canaday wrote: Though WHY anyone wouldn't want to come HERE to talk about client detection is far beyond my grasp. That's like AVG not wanting to talk to Microsoft. Probably because it's a moronic asshole, who is only interested in making money with the product and doesn't care if 1% are false positives. Not until LL comes knocking on their door anyway. I guess that the only reasonable response (unless LL wants to get involved) is to find out how the detection works and write a patch that makes SURE it won't be detected (which then can be used by everyone, but malicious viewers will do this anyway, whether or not we do or not). So, how does this thing detect the mentioned signature? ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 AFAIK only LL (and someone intercepting network communications) knows what channel some client is using On 2/5/2010 18:42, Rob Nelson wrote: The only way to reliably detect a client is if the client sends an MD5 hash of the executable to the login server, and that function was removed ages ago from the login process due to ease of spoofing. Requiring a unique login channel requires manual intervention to change the login channel from the official LL channel to the unique one required by the TPV, so malicious developers don't even have to lift a finger in order to bypass detection. The entire system is flawed, and I'm sure LL knows this. On Sun, 2010-05-02 at 20:56 +0200, Carlo Wood wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 06:53:49PM -0400, Glen Canaday wrote: Though WHY anyone wouldn't want to come HERE to talk about client detection is far beyond my grasp. That's like AVG not wanting to talk to Microsoft. Probably because it's a moronic asshole, who is only interested in making money with the product and doesn't care if 1% are false positives. Not until LL comes knocking on their door anyway. I guess that the only reasonable response (unless LL wants to get involved) is to find out how the detection works and write a patch that makes SURE it won't be detected (which then can be used by everyone, but malicious viewers will do this anyway, whether or not we do or not). So, how does this thing detect the mentioned signature? ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkvd8oIACgkQ8ZFfSrFHsmVIXQCfSTydZfbMH4c4CxpvwWmHqHcZ YJUAn2GTGUzLWRSU+uF3FMlh84UkOxpA =3u94 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
Um, please don't confuse this incident with CDS which doesn't ban clients arbitrarily, this seems to be about a similar system of a more unscrupulous competitor. There isn't even a copybot client with Snowglobe 2.0.0 () (CommunityDeveloper) as base we are aware of, so not sure why zFire Xue is banning it. The below reviews have me raising eyebrows... The people with bad reviews are mostly copybotters who have been banned by the system and are coming up with crazy quicktime hack theories, Dekadance Mint isn't even in search any more. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystri...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 according to Skill LL knows how the system works and has not taken any measures to prevent it, which indicates they are ok with it On 1/5/2010 18:50, Bryon Ruxton wrote: Is that thing really exploiting a quicktime hack? I.e. Trying to protect Computer Crimes Law by violating the very same laws. If so, isn't that against the LL TOS and shouldn't it be taken down by LL? The below reviews have me raising eyebrows... https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplacefile=itemItemID=2138 424allReviews=1#reviews Sandrina Koolhoven on 2010-03-22 27 of 71 members found this review helpful. THIS system is indeed using a hack through Quicktime that gains access to a persons hard drive. This system has been torn down and looked at. Scanning yours or my HDD is a clear violation of USA Privacy laws and only LL has a right to know who your alts are, not the designer of this system Dekadance Mint on 2010-03-17 79 of 165 members found this review helpful. Easiest method to avoid detection by this device requires no compiling or programming, just add -noquicktime into the short cut, and this device can't detect you untill Skills finds a new method of detection. I say this tidbit of info because the appeal process is atrocious and horrible from my experience. On 4/30/10 10:06 PM, Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystri...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 there is Skill's CDS system On 1/5/2010 01:45, Andromeda Quonset wrote: I went there. I saw a GC Continental was on the ban list for both of the sims. That was the closest I could find to you. I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that any landowner or sim owner can use. I don't know of any way to detect via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even using. I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being restarted. Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart. At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote: There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban? I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have sworn it WAS on it)... --GC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkvdyaEACgkQ8ZFfSrFHsmVc1wCfYZUiiBiyew8MkMm5jv8OvIsW xvIAn1j/OPBoXl8BhyAZ3dm71zDKii1+ =YLlk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 From that chat log it seems the banning system in question (not CDS) uses heuristics, it banned that person for using a rare client, unless i've misunderstood what was said there. On 2/5/2010 19:01, Skills Hak wrote: Um, please don't confuse this incident with CDS which doesn't ban clients arbitrarily, this seems to be about a similar system of a more unscrupulous competitor. There isn't even a copybot client with Snowglobe 2.0.0 () (CommunityDeveloper) as base we are aware of, so not sure why zFire Xue is banning it. The below reviews have me raising eyebrows... The people with bad reviews are mostly copybotters who have been banned by the system and are coming up with crazy quicktime hack theories, Dekadance Mint isn't even in search any more. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystri...@gmail.com wrote: according to Skill LL knows how the system works and has not taken any measures to prevent it, which indicates they are ok with it On 1/5/2010 18:50, Bryon Ruxton wrote: Is that thing really exploiting a quicktime hack? I.e. Trying to protect Computer Crimes Law by violating the very same laws. If so, isn't that against the LL TOS and shouldn't it be taken down by LL? The below reviews have me raising eyebrows... https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplacefile=itemItemID=2138 424allReviews=1#reviews Sandrina Koolhoven on 2010-03-22 27 of 71 members found this review helpful. THIS system is indeed using a hack through Quicktime that gains access to a persons hard drive. This system has been torn down and looked at. Scanning yours or my HDD is a clear violation of USA Privacy laws and only LL has a right to know who your alts are, not the designer of this system Dekadance Mint on 2010-03-17 79 of 165 members found this review helpful. Easiest method to avoid detection by this device requires no compiling or programming, just add -noquicktime into the short cut, and this device can't detect you untill Skills finds a new method of detection. I say this tidbit of info because the appeal process is atrocious and horrible from my experience. On 4/30/10 10:06 PM, Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystri...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 there is Skill's CDS system On 1/5/2010 01:45, Andromeda Quonset wrote: I went there. I saw a GC Continental was on the ban list for both of the sims. That was the closest I could find to you. I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that any landowner or sim owner can use. I don't know of any way to detect via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even using. I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being restarted. Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart. At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote: There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban? I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have sworn it WAS on it)... --GC ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkveA+gACgkQ8ZFfSrFHsmXRLACfV5FC1HlF0WwTmblhP2HrmoR9 D6EAoIVWunwqb95vP3Kvw2aX8YWbmnxY =Ai6r -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
Tigro Spottystripes schrieb: AFAIK only LL (and someone intercepting network communications) knows what channel some client is using Yes and no - it is also transmitted with the useragent of the build-in webbrowser. Armin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
then what exactly does cds ban? if no clients? because as long as you only use emerald or second life then you wont get banned by cds. if you start dabbling on other clients you get banned. so what does cds ban if no clients? On Sun, 02 May 2010 19:01:19 -0300, Skills Hak simonepep...@googlemail.com wrote: Um, please don't confuse this incident with CDS which doesn't ban clients arbitrarily, this seems to be about a similar system of a more unscrupulous competitor. There isn't even a copybot client with Snowglobe 2.0.0 () (CommunityDeveloper) as base we are aware of, so not sure why zFire Xue is banning it. The below reviews have me raising eyebrows... The people with bad reviews are mostly copybotters who have been banned by the system and are coming up with crazy quicktime hack theories, Dekadance Mint isn't even in search any more. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystri...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 according to Skill LL knows how the system works and has not taken any measures to prevent it, which indicates they are ok with it On 1/5/2010 18:50, Bryon Ruxton wrote: Is that thing really exploiting a quicktime hack? I.e. Trying to protect Computer Crimes Law by violating the very same laws. If so, isn't that against the LL TOS and shouldn't it be taken down by LL? The below reviews have me raising eyebrows... https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplacefile=itemItemID=2138 424allReviews=1#reviews Sandrina Koolhoven on 2010-03-22 27 of 71 members found this review helpful. THIS system is indeed using a hack through Quicktime that gains access to a persons hard drive. This system has been torn down and looked at. Scanning yours or my HDD is a clear violation of USA Privacy laws and only LL has a right to know who your alts are, not the designer of this system Dekadance Mint on 2010-03-17 79 of 165 members found this review helpful. Easiest method to avoid detection by this device requires no compiling or programming, just add -noquicktime into the short cut, and this device can't detect you untill Skills finds a new method of detection. I say this tidbit of info because the appeal process is atrocious and horrible from my experience. On 4/30/10 10:06 PM, Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystri...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 there is Skill's CDS system On 1/5/2010 01:45, Andromeda Quonset wrote: I went there. I saw a GC Continental was on the ban list for both of the sims. That was the closest I could find to you. I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that any landowner or sim owner can use. I don't know of any way to detect via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even using. I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being restarted. Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart. At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote: There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban? I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have sworn it WAS on it)... --GC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkvdyaEACgkQ8ZFfSrFHsmVc1wCfYZUiiBiyew8MkMm5jv8OvIsW xvIAn1j/OPBoXl8BhyAZ3dm71zDKii1+ =YLlk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
That's me on the list. You go in Snowglobe V2? My partner was also there in Emerald and did not get banned - that's why I was asking about client-based ban (and hence why I even brought it up on this list, even though it's only on topic in a very cursory way). --GC On 05/01/2010 12:45 AM, Andromeda Quonset wrote: I went there. I saw a GC Continental was on the ban list for both of the sims. That was the closest I could find to you. I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that any landowner or sim owner can use. I don't know of any way to detect via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even using. I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being restarted. Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart. At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote: There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban? I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have sworn it WAS on it)... --GC ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
I don't know if this store is (badly) detecting client versions/channels through the media plugins' user agent strings, or if it's just that I didn't move enough for their taste after teleporting. I went there with my test alt, using Snowglobe 2.0.0 () Apr 22 2010 00:11:09 (CommunityDeveloper) on linux, and was banned and ejected after a couple of minutes: [13:14] Second Life: You have been teleported home by the object 'zF RedZone v3.2.3' on the parcel 'Furniture and Prefabs @ The Loft II'. [13:14] zF RedZone v3.2.3: You have been removed for using copybot. On Saturday 01 May 2010 22:20:26 Glen Canaday wrote: That's me on the list. You go in Snowglobe V2? My partner was also there in Emerald and did not get banned - that's why I was asking about client-based ban (and hence why I even brought it up on this list, even though it's only on topic in a very cursory way). --GC -- Thickbrick ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
Is that thing really exploiting a quicktime hack? I.e. Trying to protect Computer Crimes Law by violating the very same laws. If so, isn't that against the LL TOS and shouldn't it be taken down by LL? The below reviews have me raising eyebrows... https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplacefile=itemItemID=2138 424allReviews=1#reviews Sandrina Koolhoven on 2010-03-22 27 of 71 members found this review helpful. THIS system is indeed using a hack through Quicktime that gains access to a persons hard drive. This system has been torn down and looked at. Scanning yours or my HDD is a clear violation of USA Privacy laws and only LL has a right to know who your alts are, not the designer of this system Dekadance Mint on 2010-03-17 79 of 165 members found this review helpful. Easiest method to avoid detection by this device requires no compiling or programming, just add -noquicktime into the short cut, and this device can't detect you untill Skills finds a new method of detection. I say this tidbit of info because the appeal process is atrocious and horrible from my experience. On 4/30/10 10:06 PM, Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystri...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 there is Skill's CDS system On 1/5/2010 01:45, Andromeda Quonset wrote: I went there. I saw a GC Continental was on the ban list for both of the sims. That was the closest I could find to you. I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that any landowner or sim owner can use. I don't know of any way to detect via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even using. I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being restarted. Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart. At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote: There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban? I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have sworn it WAS on it)... --GC ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
Well OSS devs, be prepared to be banned by anyone using the redzone thing even when using unpatched LL svn. Sorry to spam, but this type of attitude is spreading, and I thought that *EVERYONE* on this list best know. [14:54] zFire Xue: Your comming up as Community Developer [14:55] zFire Xue: which is an open source viewer that someone has made into a copybot viewer. Yours might not have been, but it reads just like one that is [14:55] GC Continental: which is a false positive [14:56] zFire Xue: It isnt snowglobe [14:56] zFire Xue: and its a known copybot [14:56] zFire Xue: So Im confused about the falseness part [14:56] GC Continental: it is snowglobe. This is unpatched source. [14:57] GC Continental: anything not on the TPV list as of yesterday can't connect to the grid at all. This one does. [14:58] GC Continental: someone may have altered the sources on their personal viewers, but the svn of anowglobe isn't a copying viewer [15:00] zFire Xue: Ok, I have 3 people with your same signature. [15:00] zFire Xue: I have 2884 with snowglobe signatures [15:01] GC Continental: 'd suggest you hop onto the opensource-dev mailing list... there has to be a better way of detecting. [15:03] GC Continental: If there is, that's going to be the best place to has it out. There are a few people on there you'd want to be in contact with, such as Marine and most of the Emerald crew. [15:03] GC Continental: as well as meroiv, rob, and Q linden [15:04] GC Continental: (I can't type today) [15:04] zFire Xue: I have no interest in being in contact with any of them. [15:05] zFire Xue: I will get a copy of Linux snowglob and test. [15:05] GC Continental: Compile it yourself - use the svn sources [15:05] zFire Xue: but being that I have IDed Snowglobe over 2800 times with the system, and then there is you, and 2 others... it doesnt look good that you are such a rare exception. [15:06] GC Continental: You'll have the same viewer I have. [15:06] zFire Xue: That explains how someone may have made a copybot out of it. [15:07] GC Continental: Copybot came out before the sources were released. Nov 2006. [15:08] GC Continental: I'll forward it to the dev list. Thank you for your time. --GC On 05/01/2010 04:35 PM, Thickbrick Sleaford wrote: I don't know if this store is (badly) detecting client versions/channels through the media plugins' user agent strings, or if it's just that I didn't move enough for their taste after teleporting. I went there with my test alt, using Snowglobe 2.0.0 () Apr 22 2010 00:11:09 (CommunityDeveloper) on linux, and was banned and ejected after a couple of minutes: [13:14] Second Life: You have been teleported home by the object 'zF RedZone v3.2.3' on the parcel 'Furniture and Prefabs @ The Loft II'. [13:14] zF RedZone v3.2.3: You have been removed for using copybot. On Saturday 01 May 2010 22:20:26 Glen Canaday wrote: That's me on the list. You go in Snowglobe V2? My partner was also there in Emerald and did not get banned - that's why I was asking about client-based ban (and hence why I even brought it up on this list, even though it's only on topic in a very cursory way). --GC ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
Me too, but I don't think it's against TOS. A sim owner can do what a sim owner wants, and if it's to trust client/copybot detection to an inworld device they didn't make themselves, that's not against the rules afaik. Of course, I'm completely unaware of any method that's not going to result in false positives. I'm just posting this because I have the feeling that it's going to become far more commonplace, and this is the group of people that it's going to affect the most. So it's Emerald in the main grid for me, with my own clients on OpenSim or the beta grid from here on out. Though WHY anyone wouldn't want to come HERE to talk about client detection is far beyond my grasp. That's like AVG not wanting to talk to Microsoft. --GC On 05/01/2010 06:42 PM, Robert Martin wrote: On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Glen Canadaygcana...@gmail.com wrote: [15:05] GC Continental: Compile it yourself - use the svn sources [15:05] zFire Xue: but being that I have IDed Snowglobe over 2800 times with the system, and then there is you, and 2 others... it doesnt look good that you are such a rare exception. [15:06] GC Continental: You'll have the same viewer I have. [15:06] zFire Xue: That explains how someone may have made a copybot out of it. and most of the reason for the rarity is that most folks can't seem to get a from source compile to actually work much less getting a SVN copy to work. Personally i think that any kind of ban by viewer signature device should be banned (outside of a Linden Lab built item). ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
On 2010-05-01, at 17:53, Glen Canaday wrote: Me too, but I don't think it's against TOS. A sim owner can do what a sim owner wants, and if it's to trust client/copybot detection to an inworld device they didn't make themselves, that's not against the rules afaik. Of course, I'm completely unaware of any method that's not going to result in false positives. Copybot detection is a complete waste of time, always has been, always will be. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
Glen Canaday wrote: [14:57] GC Continental: anything not on the TPV list as of yesterday can't connect to the grid at all. This one does. Just wanted to point out, that isn't true. The TPV list is merely for advertisement, and an unlisted viewer can still connect. Cool SL and Rainbow, for instance, are not listed but are TPV compliant and have no trouble connecting. Maya ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
I went there. I saw a GC Continental was on the ban list for both of the sims. That was the closest I could find to you. I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that any landowner or sim owner can use. I don't know of any way to detect via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even using. I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being restarted. Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart. At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote: There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban? I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have sworn it WAS on it)... --GC ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 there is Skill's CDS system On 1/5/2010 01:45, Andromeda Quonset wrote: I went there. I saw a GC Continental was on the ban list for both of the sims. That was the closest I could find to you. I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that any landowner or sim owner can use. I don't know of any way to detect via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even using. I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being restarted. Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart. At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote: There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban? I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have sworn it WAS on it)... --GC ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkvbtu4ACgkQ8ZFfSrFHsmWCEACfYzv5TDPepOyYWe3fAUX+r+Ie 73AAnR4IAGlIN1uhGkQvPEukZV0EMhfu =jzH/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
