[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war?
ni pun boleh masuk timbang kati http://www.ecerdc.com/ecerdc/masterplan.htm 2009/11/16 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com timbang kati punya pasal boleh aje join ;-) pasal artist impression, boleh buat pro-bono ke ? boleh cuba propose untuk cybercity kat tganu tepi laut ;-) http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/di-menara-taman-ilmu-terengganu/1054467506 On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Mohammad Sallehuddin Kodri mrblu...@gmail.com wrote: Salam all, saya berminat nak tambah dalam 500 page tu. Currently i'm doing a bit research in collaboration of OSS in Malaysia Education. So MR Red1 and Raja, boleh join? saya ader kenal someone. nak ker contact? i'm used to work at my father construction company On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: nak jadikan 500 pages, saya boleh tolong ;-) memang sahih consultant timbang kati punya ada sesapa kenal anyone that can do architect's impression ke ? nak kena buat some 3d impressions on how the centre will look On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:25 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Husnul Hadi, I updated http://red1.org/MSC8.pdf Saya menambahkan beberapa slide mengenai pelan tindakan dan contoh khusus. Juga slide terakhir untuk tatapan kerajaan nanti yang kita masih dalam proses perancangan dengan kekawan dalam MDec. The last slide is a 4 option plan from RM0 to RM1billion budget. Rafe advised me to make the proposal thick - 500 pages. Will take some time bro, but if i get more pitching instead of bitching we can do it. :) Hadi Kamarudin wrote: mr red1, muka surat 8 ada prob bila buka; points saling bertindih. ada presentation version utk windows n printing version; backgroud putih n wordings gelap? tq -- Mohammad Sallehuddin Kodri, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war?
satu sistem seperti adempiere perlukan lebih dari java developers juga perlukan server / network / system / security / database admin, accountants / business / etl / olap / analytics / web consultants, project / change / quality / product / program / portfolio managers. then evangelist / marketing / web masters / writers / tutors etc dan yang paling penting users - macam a micro ict industry by itself. bila install the standard adempiere on centos ada 4 options: client, java web start, html web dan js rich web (not to be confused with ajax). lepas tu ada lagi integration with asterix voice / sms / etc / web services / rosettanet / edi memang adempiere ada potensi world class huge monster - sebab tu saya katakan pada red1 rm10 juta tak cukup. projek implementation kat yt yg value rm1.2 juta pun masih belum cukup, ini kan lagi nak lahirkan world class developers mohon di ingatkan semula software patents tak wujud di malaysia. kalau untuk trademarks macam yg digunakan oleh redhat, kos di malaysia ialah antara rm1000 - rm2000 , kalau international trademark lagi mahal. pada pendapat saya, fakta produced by malaysians adalah lebih penting dari produce of malaysia - sebab kita berbincang mengenai knowledge economy dan tidak lagi mengenai nationalist wealth lebih utama projek ini akan membantu dunia supaya dunia lebih aman, lebih saksama, lebih sejahtera, lebih persefahaman, dalam islam, frasa terbaik ialah rahmatan lil alamin tanpa mengira bangsa, kaum, warna kulit, kepercayaan, ... 2009/11/16 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Branding perlu ada Produk. Produk adalah pelbagai... Untuk Branding yang kuat, perlu produk yang boleh diketengahkan. Ya Adempire memang boleh dijadikan produk dan brand dunia. Masalahnya dengan projek OSS ianya adalah milik dunia. Adempire adalah hasil usaha pelbagai individu yang membentuk Adempire. Patent dan Trademark adalah satu cara untuk menyatakan inilah hak Malaysia. Tetapi dalam usaha ke arah itu, satu yayasan perlu wujud untuk menjaga patent tersebut seperti mana Linux Foundation menjaga Trademark Linux. Bagi saya cara untuk kekalkan Adempire tetap milik Malaysia adalah lagi ramaikan developers dalam projek Adempire. Ke arah tu lagi perlukan Java developers dan kursus yang berterusan. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: ni pun boleh masuk timbang kati http://www.ecerdc.com/ecerdc/masterplan.htm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war?
nak jadikan 500 pages, saya boleh tolong ;-) memang sahih consultant timbang kati punya ada sesapa kenal anyone that can do architect's impression ke ? nak kena buat some 3d impressions on how the centre will look On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:25 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Husnul Hadi, I updated http://red1.org/MSC8.pdf Saya menambahkan beberapa slide mengenai pelan tindakan dan contoh khusus. Juga slide terakhir untuk tatapan kerajaan nanti yang kita masih dalam proses perancangan dengan kekawan dalam MDec. The last slide is a 4 option plan from RM0 to RM1billion budget. Rafe advised me to make the proposal thick - 500 pages. Will take some time bro, but if i get more pitching instead of bitching we can do it. :) Hadi Kamarudin wrote: mr red1, muka surat 8 ada prob bila buka; points saling bertindih. ada presentation version utk windows n printing version; backgroud putih n wordings gelap? tq --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war?
Salam all, saya berminat nak tambah dalam 500 page tu. Currently i'm doing a bit research in collaboration of OSS in Malaysia Education. So MR Red1 and Raja, boleh join? saya ader kenal someone. nak ker contact? i'm used to work at my father construction company On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: nak jadikan 500 pages, saya boleh tolong ;-) memang sahih consultant timbang kati punya ada sesapa kenal anyone that can do architect's impression ke ? nak kena buat some 3d impressions on how the centre will look On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:25 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Husnul Hadi, I updated http://red1.org/MSC8.pdf Saya menambahkan beberapa slide mengenai pelan tindakan dan contoh khusus. Juga slide terakhir untuk tatapan kerajaan nanti yang kita masih dalam proses perancangan dengan kekawan dalam MDec. The last slide is a 4 option plan from RM0 to RM1billion budget. Rafe advised me to make the proposal thick - 500 pages. Will take some time bro, but if i get more pitching instead of bitching we can do it. :) Hadi Kamarudin wrote: mr red1, muka surat 8 ada prob bila buka; points saling bertindih. ada presentation version utk windows n printing version; backgroud putih n wordings gelap? tq -- Mohammad Sallehuddin Kodri, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war? And how FOSS can give 67% ROI to the government
hi all, if the branding war relates to IT, then I'd rather phrase it more poetically: Are we being left behind in the e-dust of the k-economy ..TM ;-) @Marcus, re: marketing of your product, you should talk to MDec, afterall their charter is to produce Msian success-stories, and you are ahead of the curve, in the sense that you already have a proven product, when the rest that MDEC is funding, are still plans on paper... Rafe if you're reading, can help Marcus on this? 1. A Malaysian SW product, should it be FOSS? --- The case for OSS is tricky one, there are viable biz models for both Open and Proprietary, I will concede. After a very brief ponder about it, OSS has an advantage in the early-cycle of the product's market maturity, where it is in the 'disruptive technology' stage and innovating like crazy... or where there are opportunities for revenue from recurring support services, like ERP and where you rapidly wanna gain market share. In more 'commoditised' SW, like an Accounting Pkg, you may want to FOSS it, to build revenue from service, ie: hosting setup, the Gillete model, give the shaver to sell the blades, or the laser/ink-jet printer model - cheap printers but revenues from consummables. But otherwise proprietary model may still apply.. Perhaps an economists can better define this issue... I'll address the other points, specifically on the losing of Branding' of MSC, and not only that the question of are we actually falling behind - in another thread - Are we being left behind in the e-Dust of the k-Economy? On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: i would certainly rank ubs as among the top 5 accounting software for small business along with peachtree and quickbooks. ubs is so good, that sage software international bought into the company. and in malaysia it retails from rm700. in usa, quickbooks retails from us$100. if i am not mistaken, ubs started out as a software by a chinese secondary school teacher in penang to teach his students about accounting. his passion has made learning and using accounting software so easy and affordable for malaysian business. the value of software is not in the price but in how many have benefited from it. just ask the thousands of business owners that are using ubs. On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Hi Marcus, Your email account seems to kick back after last mail to u. So i will use this instead. Thanks for the link u gave in it. Yes, it was very interesting talking to you about your project for many reasons: 1. It is a Malaysian development effort 2. It uses its own business model (saying its not FLOSS is not relevant here. It is the business experience and insight that you bring that i value) 3. We can enrich our own experience as to how best to replicate skillsets locally. Ok, i accept your point on post-uni developer training. We must make a note to caveat that - no freshie training or join in during secondary school level or younger as i alluded to about Azrul's weekend Java course for kids. Marcus wrote: Malaysia does have its own sofware , the UBS accounting and InternetNow MailServer :-) . InternetNow had fairly good success in Malaysia, handful in Singapore and now working out a distribution deal in Iran for the latest MailNow!5 and with USA's After logic. What Inow don't have is branding and mentality advantage attributes to our foregin competitors such as Merak, Mdaemon and well in some ways , MS Exchange. As a developer in a company pushing locally developed software for years in Malaysia (not project based, not customized one off solutions), i guess the biggest challenge we face is : 1. Matching salary Vs Multinational offers. You guys have any idea what CodeMaster offer fresh grads...go take a peek. 2. Lack of System developers, (tons of webs developers though..) 3. No recognition from Gov so far, ok we won the PIKOM award and an award from APMIITA (in my year apmiita first prize went to a kid who did a football website, since then we decided its not worth joining such awards) I would want to apologize as Inow sofwares are not in Open Source, so far in reality, none of our customers ask for the source nor bothered about it. I had a talk with Red1 during the mygosscon BOF and tried to learn as much as i can about how Open source helped him, in some ways though, he is still unique since he is not just dling and pushing what everyone else can do, he has somehow (despite not being a developer!) end up as a head of the project. We have met a lot of people with all kinds of emnity against us succeeding as local software, some just put as on the wayside as re-inventing the wheel, some no match for US products but at the its the local reseller here and corporate market welcome us the most. As for competent developers, i doubt pumping 8k
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war?
mr red1, muka surat 8 ada prob bila buka; points saling bertindih. ada presentation version utk windows n printing version; backgroud putih n wordings gelap? tq On 13 Nov, 23:17, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Dalamhttp://red1.org/MSC8.pdfsaya menyatakan dalam Michael Porter's 5 Forces diagram pada mukasurat 2 dimana cabaran pertandingan dengan dunia, MSC tengah kalah, dan harapan atau peluangnya saya telah memberi contoh projek dari kebun di Kuang sebagai berjaya meraut kedudukan pertama dalam dunia. Maksud 'perang jenama' adalah penting untuk difahami sebagai satu perang saraf peringkat antarabangsa. Dalam buku 'Positioning - The Battle of the Mind' tulisan guru marketing Al Ries dan Jack Trout ada mengambarkan bahawa realiti adalah bergantung kepada persepsi atau imej. Dalam perang jenama dengan dunia, YAB Tun Dr. Mahathir dengan memahami konsep tersebut, berjaya meletakkan persepsi terhadap Malaysia sebagai sebuah pencabar utama dunia satu ketika dahulu. Mengapa kini imej tersebut payah dipertahankan? Apakah sudah berubah kebolehan rakyatnya? Jawapannya ialah tidak. Kami masih belum berubah sebagai pencabar gergasi dunia. Lihatlah pada tokoh seperti Jimmy Choo, Nichols David, Michele Yeoh dan pembuat thumb-drive. Apa yang berubah adalah perang saraf persepsi. Sebagai contoh, semasa zaman Pak Lah, beliau gagal menonjolkan imej sepatutnya dan walaupun beliau seorang yang cukup baik, namun persepsi umum terhadapnya menjatuhkannya. Begitu juga mengenai MSC, saya percaya pencapaian MSC cukup tinggi. Lihatlah kad pengenalan bercip dan passport automatik kita yang tidak ada tandingan lain di dunia? Tetapi apakah dunia sedar tentang itu? Apabila saya berjalan masuk ke pekarangan MDec, saya tidak dapat merasa imej tersebut dari papan-papan iklan dan ayat-ayat yang terpampar kiri, kanan dan atas dinding. Jika saya berjalan masuk Universiti Lim Kok Wing, saya dapat rasa kebijaksanaan LKW dalam mempertonjolkan tempatnya sebagai tokoh besar dunia, walaupun saya tidak percaya kepada Lim Kok Wing secara peribadi dan tidak ingin membantunya. Saya percaya kepada jenama Malaysia dan ingin membantu Malaysia. Hakikatnya kita nombor 1. Tetapi kita gagal menjual diri kita kepada dunia. Sudah sampai masanya kita sedar tentang betapa pentingnya memahami teori menaikkan jenama yang sebenarnya dan mengorak langkah ke arah itu. Saya syorkan kepada mereka yang ingin mengetahui lebih lanjut supaya Google atau Wikipedia untuk 'Al Ries' and 'Jack Trout'. red1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war?
Husnul Hadi, I updated http://red1.org/MSC8.pdf Saya menambahkan beberapa slide mengenai pelan tindakan dan contoh khusus. Juga slide terakhir untuk tatapan kerajaan nanti yang kita masih dalam proses perancangan dengan kekawan dalam MDec. The last slide is a 4 option plan from RM0 to RM1billion budget. Rafe advised me to make the proposal thick - 500 pages. Will take some time bro, but if i get more pitching instead of bitching we can do it. :) Hadi Kamarudin wrote: mr red1, muka surat 8 ada prob bila buka; points saling bertindih. ada presentation version utk windows n printing version; backgroud putih n wordings gelap? tq --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war?
tq! =) saya tgh nk join youth events n promote Adempiere agenda tp in general 4 open source community, nk simplify the concept supaya potential subscriber (trutama yg br phm open source mcm sy) mudah paham.. target nk gain volume 4 our presure group, tp nk tau ktne nk kumpulkan info sume org2 ni nnt?plg kurg, sy akn mntk diorg join fb group.. insyaAllah nk approach sekolah2 sekitar area Shah Alam gk, wat simple training on open source..so nk tau gk pe training module nya? tp klu ada suggestion approach yg lbih berkesan, sila berkongsi ya! terima kasih On 15 Nov, 10:25, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Husnul Hadi, I updated http://red1.org/MSC8.pdf Saya menambahkan beberapa slide mengenai pelan tindakan dan contoh khusus. Juga slide terakhir untuk tatapan kerajaan nanti yang kita masih dalam proses perancangan dengan kekawan dalam MDec. The last slide is a 4 option plan from RM0 to RM1billion budget. Rafe advised me to make the proposal thick - 500 pages. Will take some time bro, but if i get more pitching instead of bitching we can do it. :) Hadi Kamarudin wrote: mr red1, muka surat 8 ada prob bila buka; points saling bertindih. ada presentation version utk windows n printing version; backgroud putih n wordings gelap? tq --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war? And how FOSS can give 67% ROI to the government
there are a number of models for foss one of these is the sharing for the continual development of the software among peers these works when the original author do not have enough resources to do it alone. resources could be developers, testers, users, marketing / awareness, etc in the case of krimnet, we open source what we have so that we will have more testers and hopefully more developers. for sure we dont have enough people to do it on our own. we make money on localised deployment - the fields that we concentrate are on economics, demographics and textual analytics - where the subject matter is more important than the sum of the programmers. therefore for us we open source the generic horizontal layers so that we are able to concentrate on the vertical industries. the other avenue for money is from knowledge sharing such as training or publication of books. these are physical services and products that people still need to pay in either foss or proprietary models. another reason for oss is customer driven. there is a large demand for applications and source codes. this is to prevent vendor lock-in. before foss became popular, companies used to pay a premium to acquire the source codes. by the way, we released our codes on the bsd license... On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote: hi all, if the branding war relates to IT, then I'd rather phrase it more poetically: Are we being left behind in the e-dust of the k-economy ..TM ;-) @Marcus, re: marketing of your product, you should talk to MDec, afterall their charter is to produce Msian success-stories, and you are ahead of the curve, in the sense that you already have a proven product, when the rest that MDEC is funding, are still plans on paper... Rafe if you're reading, can help Marcus on this? 1. A Malaysian SW product, should it be FOSS? --- The case for OSS is tricky one, there are viable biz models for both Open and Proprietary, I will concede. After a very brief ponder about it, OSS has an advantage in the early-cycle of the product's market maturity, where it is in the 'disruptive technology' stage and innovating like crazy... or where there are opportunities for revenue from recurring support services, like ERP and where you rapidly wanna gain market share. In more 'commoditised' SW, like an Accounting Pkg, you may want to FOSS it, to build revenue from service, ie: hosting setup, the Gillete model, give the shaver to sell the blades, or the laser/ink-jet printer model - cheap printers but revenues from consummables. But otherwise proprietary model may still apply.. Perhaps an economists can better define this issue... I'll address the other points, specifically on the losing of Branding' of MSC, and not only that the question of are we actually falling behind - in another thread - Are we being left behind in the e-Dust of the k-Economy? On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: i would certainly rank ubs as among the top 5 accounting software for small business along with peachtree and quickbooks. ubs is so good, that sage software international bought into the company. and in malaysia it retails from rm700. in usa, quickbooks retails from us$100. if i am not mistaken, ubs started out as a software by a chinese secondary school teacher in penang to teach his students about accounting. his passion has made learning and using accounting software so easy and affordable for malaysian business. the value of software is not in the price but in how many have benefited from it. just ask the thousands of business owners that are using ubs. On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Hi Marcus, Your email account seems to kick back after last mail to u. So i will use this instead. Thanks for the link u gave in it. Yes, it was very interesting talking to you about your project for many reasons: 1. It is a Malaysian development effort 2. It uses its own business model (saying its not FLOSS is not relevant here. It is the business experience and insight that you bring that i value) 3. We can enrich our own experience as to how best to replicate skillsets locally. Ok, i accept your point on post-uni developer training. We must make a note to caveat that - no freshie training or join in during secondary school level or younger as i alluded to about Azrul's weekend Java course for kids. Marcus wrote: Malaysia does have its own sofware , the UBS accounting and InternetNow MailServer :-) . InternetNow had fairly good success in Malaysia, handful in Singapore and now working out a distribution deal in Iran for the latest MailNow!5 and with USA's After logic. What Inow don't have is branding and mentality advantage attributes to our foregin competitors such as
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war? And how FOSS can give 67% ROI to the government
http://www.amazon.com/Branding-Only-Works-Cattle-competitors/dp/0446178012/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1258161000sr=8-7 red1, your 2nd slide is based on the pest analysis technique and not porter's 5 forces pest analysis : political, economic, social, technological porter's 5 forces : competitor, newcomer, buyer, supplier, product in the perfect capitalist free market : the best software company is one that kills off its competitors (until it is the remaining monopoly), prevent newcomers by registering a string of generic business method patents, locks-in the buyer to its products, buys-out its suppliers, and spread fud on competiting products. now if that software company sits in the msc iap, do you think it is going to help malaysia create it's own software ? kudos to najib for sticking his neck out and telling off the iap members that its time malaysia had its own software. imho, we need rm30 million over rmk10 to produce 100 world class developers. jpa spends minimum rm300k to produce 1 graduate from the oxbridge and ivy league top world class universities. which means 100 world class developers x rm300k = rm30 million. red1 and myself have already calculated that to produce 1 competent freshie developer takes 6 months and rm50k (average of rm8k per month). this person's income value is rm8k per month (using kelly salary guide max scale for a websphere application developer). with 100 developers over 5 years the total value is rm50 million. which is a 67% return on investment ( ROI !) for the govt. we have not even talked about the us$1000 per manday or euro1500 per manday fees that the top developers can demand. 2009/11/13 red1 r...@red1.org Dalam http://red1.org/MSC8.pdf saya menyatakan dalam Michael Porter's 5 Forces diagram pada mukasurat 2 dimana cabaran pertandingan dengan dunia, MSC tengah kalah, dan harapan atau peluangnya saya telah memberi contoh projek dari kebun di Kuang sebagai berjaya meraut kedudukan pertama dalam dunia. Maksud 'perang jenama' adalah penting untuk difahami sebagai satu perang saraf peringkat antarabangsa. Dalam buku 'Positioning - The Battle of the Mind' tulisan guru marketing Al Ries dan Jack Trout ada mengambarkan bahawa realiti adalah bergantung kepada persepsi atau imej. Dalam perang jenama dengan dunia, YAB Tun Dr. Mahathir dengan memahami konsep tersebut, berjaya meletakkan persepsi terhadap Malaysia sebagai sebuah pencabar utama dunia satu ketika dahulu. Mengapa kini imej tersebut payah dipertahankan? Apakah sudah berubah kebolehan rakyatnya? Jawapannya ialah tidak. Kami masih belum berubah sebagai pencabar gergasi dunia. Lihatlah pada tokoh seperti Jimmy Choo, Nichols David, Michele Yeoh dan pembuat thumb-drive. Apa yang berubah adalah perang saraf persepsi. Sebagai contoh, semasa zaman Pak Lah, beliau gagal menonjolkan imej sepatutnya dan walaupun beliau seorang yang cukup baik, namun persepsi umum terhadapnya menjatuhkannya. Begitu juga mengenai MSC, saya percaya pencapaian MSC cukup tinggi. Lihatlah kad pengenalan bercip dan passport automatik kita yang tidak ada tandingan lain di dunia? Tetapi apakah dunia sedar tentang itu? Apabila saya berjalan masuk ke pekarangan MDec, saya tidak dapat merasa imej tersebut dari papan-papan iklan dan ayat-ayat yang terpampar kiri, kanan dan atas dinding. Jika saya berjalan masuk Universiti Lim Kok Wing, saya dapat rasa kebijaksanaan LKW dalam mempertonjolkan tempatnya sebagai tokoh besar dunia, walaupun saya tidak percaya kepada Lim Kok Wing secara peribadi dan tidak ingin membantunya. Saya percaya kepada jenama Malaysia dan ingin membantu Malaysia. Hakikatnya kita nombor 1. Tetapi kita gagal menjual diri kita kepada dunia. Sudah sampai masanya kita sedar tentang betapa pentingnya memahami teori menaikkan jenama yang sebenarnya dan mengorak langkah ke arah itu. Saya syorkan kepada mereka yang ingin mengetahui lebih lanjut supaya Google atau Wikipedia untuk 'Al Ries' and 'Jack Trout'. red1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MSC losing the branding war? And how FOSS can give 67% ROI to the government
Malaysia does have its own sofware , the UBS accounting and InternetNow MailServer :-) . InternetNow had fairly good success in Malaysia, handful in Singapore and now working out a distribution deal in Iran for the latest MailNow!5 and with USA's After logic. What Inow don't have is branding and mentality advantage attributes to our foregin competitors such as Merak, Mdaemon and well in some ways , MS Exchange. As a developer in a company pushing locally developed software for years in Malaysia (not project based, not customized one off solutions), i guess the biggest challenge we face is : 1. Matching salary Vs Multinational offers. You guys have any idea what CodeMaster offer fresh grads...go take a peek. 2. Lack of System developers, (tons of webs developers though..) 3. No recognition from Gov so far, ok we won the PIKOM award and an award from APMIITA (in my year apmiita first prize went to a kid who did a football website, since then we decided its not worth joining such awards) I would want to apologize as Inow sofwares are not in Open Source, so far in reality, none of our customers ask for the source nor bothered about it. I had a talk with Red1 during the mygosscon BOF and tried to learn as much as i can about how Open source helped him, in some ways though, he is still unique since he is not just dling and pushing what everyone else can do, he has somehow (despite not being a developer!) end up as a head of the project. We have met a lot of people with all kinds of emnity against us succeeding as local software, some just put as on the wayside as "re-inventing the wheel", some "no match for US products" but at the its the local reseller here and corporate market welcome us the most. As for competent developers, i doubt pumping 8k a month can make anything out. Programming has always been a very individual choice and talent. What can be done is maybe at the uni levels, open up their standard and exposure, correct the wrong mentality that programming is a beginner's job or "uncool" and put competitions that matches against foreigners programmers. If one can't compare, one cant understand. - cheers Raja Iskandar Shah wrote: red1, your 2nd slide is based on the pest analysis technique and not porter's 5 forces pest analysis : political, economic, social, technological porter's 5 forces : competitor, newcomer, buyer, supplier, product in the perfect capitalist free market : the best software company is one that kills off its competitors (until it is the remaining monopoly), prevent newcomers by registering a string of generic business method patents, locks-in the buyer to its products, buys-out its suppliers, and spread fud on competiting products. now if that software company sits in the msc iap, do you think it is going to help malaysia create it's own software ? kudos to najib for sticking his neck out and telling off the iap members that its time malaysia had its own software. imho, we need rm30 million over rmk10 to produce 100 world class developers. jpa spends minimum rm300k to produce 1 graduate from the oxbridge and ivy league top world class universities. which means 100 world class developers x rm300k = rm30 million. red1 and myself have already calculated that to produce 1 competent freshie developer takes 6 months and rm50k (average of rm8k per month). this person's income value is rm8k per month (using kelly salary guide max scale for a websphere application developer). with 100 developers over 5 years the total value is rm50 million. which is a 67% return on investment ( ROI !) for the govt. we have not even talked about the us$1000 per manday or euro1500 per manday fees that the top developers can demand. 2009/11/13 red1 r...@red1.org Dalam http://red1.org/MSC8.pdf saya menyatakan dalam Michael Porter's 5 Forces diagram pada mukasurat 2 dimana cabaran pertandingan dengan dunia, MSC tengah kalah, dan harapan atau peluangnya saya telah memberi contoh projek dari kebun di Kuang sebagai berjaya meraut kedudukan pertama dalam dunia. Maksud 'perang jenama' adalah penting untuk difahami sebagai satu perang saraf peringkat antarabangsa. Dalam buku 'Positioning - The Battle of the Mind' tulisan guru marketing Al Ries dan Jack Trout ada mengambarkan bahawa realiti adalah bergantung kepada persepsi atau imej. Dalam perang jenama dengan dunia, YAB Tun Dr. Mahathir dengan memahami konsep tersebut, berjaya meletakkan persepsi terhadap Malaysia sebagai sebuah pencabar utama dunia satu ketika dahulu. Mengapa kini imej tersebut payah dipertahankan? Apakah sudah berubah kebolehan rakyatnya? Jawapannya ialah tidak. Kami masih belum berubah sebagai pencabar gergasi dunia. Lihatlah pada tokoh seperti Jimmy Choo, Nichols David, Michele Yeoh dan pembuat thumb-drive. Apa yang berubah adalah perang saraf persepsi. Sebagai contoh, semasa zaman Pak Lah, beliau gagal menonjolkan imej sepatutnya dan walaupun
