Re: PESO - End Part II
In a message dated 4/25/2007 6:31:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie, Try 2 is great. Rick = Thanks. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - End Part II
Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Original Image as shot: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734.htm Alternate #1: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734b.htm Alternate #2: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734e.htm Alternate #3: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734d.htm Image I showed previously: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734a.htm -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
I like it as shot. I also like alternates two and three. Paul -- Original message -- From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Original Image as shot: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734.htm Alternate #1: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734b.htm Alternate #2: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734e.htm Alternate #3: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734d.htm Image I showed previously: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734a.htm -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
Bruce, I think it's best in black and white - #3. Regards, Bob S. On 4/25/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Original Image as shot: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734.htm Alternate #1: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734b.htm Alternate #2: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734e.htm Alternate #3: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734d.htm Image I showed previously: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734a.htm -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - End Part II
#3, but with a grade higher contrast! If this were on film in BW, I would have printed it on Agfa Brovira 6 :-) Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
On 4/25/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, I think it's best in black and white - #3. Regards, Bob S. I agree. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
I second that. I think #3 gets your idea cross better than the original image you displayed. Tom C. From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce, I think it's best in black and white - #3. Regards, Bob S. On 4/25/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Original Image as shot: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734.htm Alternate #1: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734b.htm Alternate #2: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734e.htm Alternate #3: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734d.htm Image I showed previously: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734a.htm -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
Much prefer the original image, Bruce. It has a stirring airy sweep to it that is quite nice. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Original Image as shot: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734.htm Alternate #1: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734b.htm Alternate #2: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734e.htm Alternate #3: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734d.htm Image I showed previously: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734a.htm -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
I like alternative 3 best. Rick --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Original Image as shot: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734.htm Alternate #1: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734b.htm Alternate #2: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734e.htm Alternate #3: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734d.htm Image I showed previously: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734a.htm -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
In a message dated 4/25/2007 2:02:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Original Image as shot: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734.htm Alternate #1: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734b.htm Alternate #2: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734e.htm Alternate #3: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734d.htm Image I showed previously: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734a.htm -- Best regards, Bruce = I like the original and #2 and #3. You may have not found quite the optimal rendering yet. But, personally, I think #2 borders on it. Turn that into a black and white. I think it improves the shot to be able to see some indication of the sea. And if you don't mind, I might take the original and play with a bit myself, I am not bad at artifying things. Godfrey's good at rendering, maybe he has some suggestions. I'll post my attempt tomorrow. Hope that helps. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
Bruce, I did these in about 10 minutes. I had 10 minutes to spare. :-) I will take them down once I know you have seen them. Some people are going to tell you to go with a straight BW conversion. But in this case, I think you are right, it needs to be punched up. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/try1.jpg BW conversion, with less red to gray it down http://members.aol.com/eactivist/try2.jpg above version but now with brightness up to +35 and contrast up to +49 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/try3.jpg above version, posterized, level 2 All done in Elements 5. Only the last is really artified, the previous are just playing with conversions and brightness/contrast. I, personally, like #2, and think you ought to aim somewhere in there. A BW but with brightness/contrast pumped up to eliminate a lot of the grays while keeping the darker grays and BW. Only thing is you have to gray it down first so you don't lose all detail. Either this is annoying or helpful. Hope the second. Later, Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
Marnie, Try 2 is great. Rick --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, I did these in about 10 minutes. I had 10 minutes to spare. :-) I will take them down once I know you have seen them. Some people are going to tell you to go with a straight BW conversion. But in this case, I think you are right, it needs to be punched up. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/try1.jpg BW conversion, with less red to gray it down http://members.aol.com/eactivist/try2.jpg above version but now with brightness up to +35 and contrast up to +49 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/try3.jpg above version, posterized, level 2 All done in Elements 5. Only the last is really artified, the previous are just playing with conversions and brightness/contrast. I, personally, like #2, and think you ought to aim somewhere in there. A BW but with brightness/contrast pumped up to eliminate a lot of the grays while keeping the darker grays and BW. Only thing is you have to gray it down first so you don't lose all detail. Either this is annoying or helpful. Hope the second. Later, Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
The original, as shot gets my vote. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - End Part II Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Original Image as shot: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734.htm Alternate #1: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734b.htm Alternate #2: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734e.htm Alternate #3: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734d.htm Image I showed previously: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734a.htm -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bruce, I also think the original image stands on its own the best for conveying your original idea. The BW works also, but it leaves me wanting to see more tonal range. JayT Bruce Dayton wrote: Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - End Part II
The original and Alternative #3 (bw) are the best. You see, Bruce, to my eye what became of the ocean on the original image you presented did not come across like water. I thought it was a bit more soil, just without any vegetation on it. Actually, I think that the original shot with just a bit of an S-curve would be the best option. Boris Bruce Dayton wrote: Based on comments by the list, I thought I would try a few more things and show you what I had to work with. The story I told is basically how the shot came to be - whether you agree with my thought process or not, that is why I took the shot. The issue I had was harsher lighting than I wanted - time of day was a big factor and couldn't be helped. Anyway, here is the shot I had to work with and some variations on what I showed you. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Original Image as shot: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734.htm Alternate #1: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734b.htm Alternate #2: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734e.htm Alternate #3: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734d.htm Image I showed previously: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4734a.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
