RE: Portland Fountains
As its my site, I'm entitled to operate it any way I wish. People insist that PNG is not suitable for web images, it is. They insist i pay for hosting and conform to questionable EULA agreements. Dude, I host from my home server using copermine too. But I use jpegs and no one here complains about performance of my DSL service. Guess what? It's the freaking interweb and with web-sized images jpeg lossy compression doesn't mean much. I've not complained but mentioned a couple of times that I can't see your site at all. I'd like to because people generally react very positively to your photos. I didn't realise you were hosting it yourself. Something you're doing with it troubles my security settings and they block the site. Regards Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
Charles Robinson wrote: Imagine that thumbnails that draw in less than 10 seconds. That's at least a usable site. What a lot of people don't realize that web usability is a lot harder to learn than the geeky code stuff. Any twit can learn the bits end of web design, but learning to build web sites that people can (and will) use takes careful thought, research and enough maturity to accept the fact that compromise is necessary. The preeminent authority on the subject is Dr. Jakob Nielsen: http://www.useit.com/alertbox -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: I've not complained but mentioned a couple of times that I can't see your site at all. I'd like to because people generally react very positively to your photos. I didn't realise you were hosting it yourself. Something you're doing with it troubles my security settings and they block the site. Most likely the cause is that Verizon doesn't allow me to use port 80 (it's blocked) so I port forward using my DNS provider to port 8080 which your security settings (either the ISP or your computer settings) is blocking. In any case, if I have something I think is worthy of posting as a PESO, I usually put it on my home site as well as another photo-sharing site as I know some people on this list can't view the home site. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
On Dec 21, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Polyhead wrote: So, wanting to just be yourself, and not intrested in changing how you do things makes you a troll? I fail to see how you could possibly find any logic in that statement. I don't know about being a troll. You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess that makes you more of a prat than a troll. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Portland Fountains
Read the email sig Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL. You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. You being a 'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your qualifications so we can be truely impressed. Regards, Bob S. I don't think it's anything to do with qualifications, Bob. It just means he looks like a parrot. You're a patient man, Bob. I fear he's also somewhat of a foolish one. The wisest (albeit hardest) course of action here would be to refrain from posting. Everything I've seen of Polyhead makes me believe he's the classic troll - one who feeds on attention, and isn't in the least interested in changing his behaviour. The best thing to do is to simply ignore him - trying to engage him in an argument is just letting him pick the rules. it's always fun to poke these creatures with a stick from time to time, like being a 13 year old again and throwing conkers at a bull to annoy it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:25 -0800 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 21, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Polyhead wrote: So, wanting to just be yourself, and not intrested in changing how you do things makes you a troll? I fail to see how you could possibly find any logic in that statement. I don't know about being a troll. You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess that makes you more of a prat than a troll. Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not about the photo. As its my site, i'm entitled to operate it any way I wish. People insist that PNG is not suitable for web images, it is. They insist i pay for hosting and conform to questionable EULA agreements. How am I suppose to see anything but inferiority in that attitude? You would have to be compleatly stupid to agree to photobuckets EULA. Basically, you post it there, they own it. Thats a big stick they can come hit you with, 10, 15, 20 years down the road. The fact is, when it comes to websites and image formats, i probably DO know more about them than most of the people here. Rather than assume I know what i'm doing, they make the assumption me using PNG was some sort of mistake rather than intent. Their loss really. I can do better. With freinds like that, who needs an enemy? Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
On 21/12/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: Some longtime contributors with archaic names can get by with nicknames... ;-) Thanks mate ;-) -- Cheers, Puffery ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
On Dec 22, 2007 6:05 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:25 -0800 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess that makes you more of a prat than a troll. Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not about the photo. And that's the thing. The shots took too long to open, and most here had better things to do than wait. People suggested that smaller file sizes might be more user friendly, you flew off the handle at the suggestion of using .jpg's. When the means of viewing is getting in the way of doing so, it is a valid target for comment criticism. You could be the best photographer on the face of the planet with, many images worth viewing, but because of your refusal to use well accepted web design practices, make a few small technical compromises (that will make no difference to the intent of any image), many people will just skip over them. Personally, I dislike computer monitors as a way to view photographs. I much prefer a good hard copy print. But if I only ever showed my prints, the number of people who would be able to see and comment on my photos would be very small indeed. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:05:23 +0900 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 6:05 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:25 -0800 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess that makes you more of a prat than a troll. Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not about the photo. And that's the thing. The shots took too long to open, and most here had better things to do than wait. People suggested that smaller file sizes might be more user friendly, you flew off the handle at the suggestion of using .jpg's. When the means of viewing is getting in the way of doing so, it is a valid target for comment criticism. I flew off the handle? Hardly. I simply said no, have patience. You need to point that finger where it belongs. You could be the best photographer on the face of the planet with, many images worth viewing, but because of your refusal to use well accepted web design practices, make a few small technical compromises (that will make no difference to the intent of any image), many people will just skip over them. And those many people lacking patience can take a happy boat to hell for all I care. Its the same set of impatient dicks that try to run me off the road. The same set of impatient dicks that bitch and moan while waiting in line for anything. I think I JUST might be able to live with it. If that makes me arrogant, then fuck it, let it be. I don't think I'll be losing any sleep over that either. Its called the gentle art of making enemies. Make enemies rather than friends, otherwise, friends may just make you. Personally, I dislike computer monitors as a way to view photographs. I much prefer a good hard copy print. But if I only ever showed my prints, the number of people who would be able to see and comment on my photos would be very small indeed. Eh, its bigger and brighter than a 4x6. Its less hassle to setup than a slide projector. Its far from the worst way. I am disapointed we don't all have 300 or 400 dpi displays by now. bt consumerism took over in the computer world, and good enough to sell is all the better any of this garbage will ever be now. Want to share photos the hard way, try SSTV on an amateur radio sat sometime! Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
On Dec 22, 2007 8:27 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:05:23 +0900 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 6:05 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:25 -0800 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess that makes you more of a prat than a troll. Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not about the photo. And that's the thing. The shots took too long to open, and most here had better things to do than wait. People suggested that smaller file sizes might be more user friendly, you flew off the handle at the suggestion of using .jpg's. When the means of viewing is getting in the way of doing so, it is a valid target for comment criticism. I flew off the handle? Hardly. I simply said no, have patience. You need to point that finger where it belongs. And everyone here said quite trying to reinvent the wheel. You could be the best photographer on the face of the planet with, many images worth viewing, but because of your refusal to use well accepted web design practices, make a few small technical compromises (that will make no difference to the intent of any image), many people will just skip over them. And those many people lacking patience can take a happy boat to hell for all I care. snip You're also assuming that everyone is using a high speed Internet connection. 2 minutes for a 600 pixel wide image is just too much. I can see that trying to discuss anything with you is a waste of time. You're always right, everyone else is wrong.. I tried, but my patience (!) has limits. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, I did have some free time. And the stick was right there. Besides, it was just a little poke. (feeling like a 13 year old again...) Regards, Bob S. On Dec 22, 2007 2:49 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the email sig Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL. You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. You being a 'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your qualifications so we can be truely impressed. Regards, Bob S. I don't think it's anything to do with qualifications, Bob. It just means he looks like a parrot. You're a patient man, Bob. I fear he's also somewhat of a foolish one. The wisest (albeit hardest) course of action here would be to refrain from posting. Everything I've seen of Polyhead makes me believe he's the classic troll - one who feeds on attention, and isn't in the least interested in changing his behaviour. The best thing to do is to simply ignore him - trying to engage him in an argument is just letting him pick the rules. it's always fun to poke these creatures with a stick from time to time, like being a 13 year old again and throwing conkers at a bull to annoy it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Portland Fountains
I wonder if Marnie's enjoying the scent of testosterone -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 22 December 2007 13:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Portland Fountains Well, I did have some free time. And the stick was right there. Besides, it was just a little poke. (feeling like a 13 year old again...) Regards, Bob S. On Dec 22, 2007 2:49 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the email sig Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL. You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. You being a 'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your qualifications so we can be truely impressed. Regards, Bob S. I don't think it's anything to do with qualifications, Bob. It just means he looks like a parrot. You're a patient man, Bob. I fear he's also somewhat of a foolish one. The wisest (albeit hardest) course of action here would be to refrain from posting. Everything I've seen of Polyhead makes me believe he's the classic troll - one who feeds on attention, and isn't in the least interested in changing his behaviour. The best thing to do is to simply ignore him - trying to engage him in an argument is just letting him pick the rules. it's always fun to poke these creatures with a stick from time to time, like being a 13 year old again and throwing conkers at a bull to annoy it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
Is that what that is? I thought it was 100% pure BS. Cheers, Dave On Dec 23, 2007 1:09 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if Marnie's enjoying the scent of testosterone -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 22 December 2007 13:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Portland Fountains Well, I did have some free time. And the stick was right there. Besides, it was just a little poke. (feeling like a 13 year old again...) Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Portland Fountains
Lady chemists have analyzed both substances and found them to be identical -- Bob Is that what that is? I thought it was 100% pure BS. Cheers, Dave On Dec 23, 2007 1:09 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if Marnie's enjoying the scent of testosterone -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 22 December 2007 13:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Portland Fountains Well, I did have some free time. And the stick was right there. Besides, it was just a little poke. (feeling like a 13 year old again...) Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/22/2007 8:48:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if Marnie's enjoying the scent of testosterone -- Bob Not enough, yet... to smell. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh Hell! I miss some of those good old flame wars. Can't we have another one? I pick Bob B., Wheatfield Willy, Malfud, and Valentin for my team. (some will have to be called out of retirement...) Regards, Bob S. On Dec 22, 2007 11:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/22/2007 8:48:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if Marnie's enjoying the scent of testosterone -- Bob Not enough, yet... to smell. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I only need Brad Dave On Dec 22, 2007 12:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Hell! I miss some of those good old flame wars. Can't we have another one? I pick Bob B., Wheatfield Willy, Malfud, and Valentin for my team. (some will have to be called out of retirement...) Regards, Bob S. On Dec 22, 2007 11:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/22/2007 8:48:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if Marnie's enjoying the scent of testosterone -- Bob Not enough, yet... to smell. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Which explains a lot. Nothing like having to go to school for twenty or more years to make someone irascible. Need I add a grin? Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Bob Sullivan wrote: You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You're OK, Bob. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Bob Sullivan wrote: Graywolf, We've met and I'm happy to call you friend. Your nickname and mug go together perfectly. Regards, Bob S. On Dec 21, 2007 7:53 PM, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can no imagine why someone would use a name like Bob, or George, or Tom Hi, my name is Tom Rittenhouse, my friends call me Graywolf. Nice to meet you Mister Rittenhouse. Then they wonder why I don't consider them friends... when they have all but told me they weren't and didn't want to be. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What I've found here on the pdml is a bunch of people who are usually quite humble, but of outstanding intelligence. They don't flaunt it, but many have years of schooling and degrees to show for it. Others who don't have the degrees, often have strong intellects and curiosity and a thirst for knowledge. This list is capable of discussing a breadth and depth of things from the ridiculous to the sublime, science tech to philosophy. I don't think formal degrees make the man or woman, but would rather judge by what they say and think. I think most folks who stick around here share my point of view. Regards, Bob S. (waiting for #1 son to return with the pipes to install his replacement water heater) On Dec 22, 2007 12:06 PM, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which explains a lot. Nothing like having to go to school for twenty or more years to make someone irascible. Need I add a grin? Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Bob Sullivan wrote: You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In the real world, you have to sometimes adjust your thinking to the level of the people around you. I don't expect you accept that, it took me decades to do so myself. However, I will comment on your photos. The are technically excellent, and boring as hell. The sort of thing someone who has taken a class or two on photography produces. Certainly not worth the time and effort it took to look at them. You photo typify why I normally do not comment on photos. They all fall into the boring, interesting, or gut-grabbing categories. All too often the technically excellent photos seem to be in the boring category; I suppose that is because they are do for the photography's sake rather than the pictures sake. The urge for technical perfection often gets in the way. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Polyhead wrote: Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not about the photo. As its my site, i'm entitled to operate it any way I wish. People insist that PNG is not suitable for web images, it is. They insist i pay for hosting and conform to questionable EULA agreements. How am I suppose to see anything but inferiority in that attitude? You would have to be compleatly stupid to agree to photobuckets EULA. Basically, you post it there, they own it. Thats a big stick they can come hit you with, 10, 15, 20 years down the road. The fact is, when it comes to websites and image formats, i probably DO know more about them than most of the people here. Rather than assume I know what i'm doing, they make the assumption me using PNG was some sort of mistake rather than intent. Their loss really. I can do better. With freinds like that, who needs an enemy? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You are agitating, Bob. Doesn't everyone think Bob is agitating? I think Bob is agitating. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Bob Sullivan wrote: Oh Hell! I miss some of those good old flame wars. Can't we have another one? I pick Bob B., Wheatfield Willy, Malfud, and Valentin for my team. (some will have to be called out of retirement...) Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 23, 2007 4:02 AM, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are agitating, Bob. Doesn't everyone think Bob is agitating? I think Bob is agitating. LOL Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Are we on the same mailing list? I admit that there are a lot of humble people on PDML, they are called lurkers. You have to be rather egotistical to actually post here. These eggheads will tear you apart if you can not operate at their level. No wonder poor Poly is so defensive. Strangely I have better things to do, but this is as good a way of avoiding them as any GRIN. BTW, did I ever mention my shock and dismay over how HTML does not like my GRIN? Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Bob Sullivan wrote: What I've found here on the pdml is a bunch of people who are usually quite humble, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 22, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Polyhead wrote: Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not about the photo. If the website it too much of a pain in the ass to use to see the photo, then you will not get any comments about the photo. Or is this too obvious for you? As its my site, i'm entitled to operate it any way I wish. ... blah blah blah blah ... No one here cares about your alleged expertise and knowledge. They care whether the website works well enough so they can see the photos without insufferable delays. In that, all your supposed knowledge failed. ... With freinds like that, who needs an enemy? You're not making any freinds here that I can tally. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:22:50 +0900 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 8:27 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:05:23 +0900 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 6:05 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:25 -0800 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess that makes you more of a prat than a troll. Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not about the photo. And that's the thing. The shots took too long to open, and most here had better things to do than wait. People suggested that smaller file sizes might be more user friendly, you flew off the handle at the suggestion of using .jpg's. When the means of viewing is getting in the way of doing so, it is a valid target for comment criticism. I flew off the handle? Hardly. I simply said no, have patience. You need to point that finger where it belongs. And everyone here said quite trying to reinvent the wheel. You could be the best photographer on the face of the planet with, many images worth viewing, but because of your refusal to use well accepted web design practices, make a few small technical compromises (that will make no difference to the intent of any image), many people will just skip over them. And those many people lacking patience can take a happy boat to hell for all I care. snip You're also assuming that everyone is using a high speed Internet connection. 2 minutes for a 600 pixel wide image is just too much. I can see that trying to discuss anything with you is a waste of time. You're always right, everyone else is wrong.. I tried, but my patience (!) has limits. OH yea, so because i want to do things my way, i'm a bad guy, fuck you pal. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:54:57 -0500 graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the real world, you have to sometimes adjust your thinking to the level of the people around you. I don't expect you accept that, it took me decades to do so myself. However, I will comment on your photos. The are technically excellent, and boring as hell. The sort of thing someone who has taken a class or two on photography produces. Certainly not worth the time and effort it took to look at them. You photo typify why I normally do not comment on photos. They all fall into the boring, interesting, or gut-grabbing categories. All too often the technically excellent photos seem to be in the boring category; I suppose that is because they are do for the photography's sake rather than the pictures sake. The urge for technical perfection often gets in the way. I'm more of a techie than an artist, so thats the way it goes. No formal classes involved. Just a quick thumb through John P. Schaefer's Basic Techniques of Photography. The book with photos and commentary from Ansel Adams. Yet another thrift store find. Best $2 I ever spent. Thanks all the same. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Polyhead wrote: Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not about the photo. As its my site, i'm entitled to operate it any way I wish. People insist that PNG is not suitable for web images, it is. They insist i pay for hosting and conform to questionable EULA agreements. How am I suppose to see anything but inferiority in that attitude? You would have to be compleatly stupid to agree to photobuckets EULA. Basically, you post it there, they own it. Thats a big stick they can come hit you with, 10, 15, 20 years down the road. The fact is, when it comes to websites and image formats, i probably DO know more about them than most of the people here. Rather than assume I know what i'm doing, they make the assumption me using PNG was some sort of mistake rather than intent. Their loss really. I can do better. With freinds like that, who needs an enemy? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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HEY! No soliciting for sexual favors on the list. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see that trying to discuss anything with you is a waste of time. You're always right, everyone else is wrong.. I tried, but my patience (!) has limits. OH yea, so because i want to do things my way, i'm a bad guy, fuck you pal. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Polyhead wrote: As its my site, I'm entitled to operate it any way I wish. People insist that PNG is not suitable for web images, it is. They insist i pay for hosting and conform to questionable EULA agreements. Dude, I host from my home server using copermine too. But I use jpegs and no one here complains about performance of my DSL service. Guess what? It's the freaking interweb and with web-sized images jpeg lossy compression doesn't mean much. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Polyhead wrote: OH yea, so because i want to do things my way, i'm a bad guy, fuck you pal. Actually, that was David... Pal hasn't posted for a while... -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:09:06 -0500 Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: As its my site, I'm entitled to operate it any way I wish. People insist that PNG is not suitable for web images, it is. They insist i pay for hosting and conform to questionable EULA agreements. Dude, I host from my home server using copermine too. But I use jpegs and no one here complains about performance of my DSL service. Guess what? It's the freaking interweb and with web-sized images jpeg lossy compression doesn't mean much. Doesn't mean much to you. I see it, it bothers me, i'm going to use png. The bandwidth here is throttle back via HTB to 10-12kb/s -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 22, 2007, at 20:09, Christian wrote: Polyhead wrote: As its my site, I'm entitled to operate it any way I wish. People insist that PNG is not suitable for web images, it is. They insist i pay for hosting and conform to questionable EULA agreements. Dude, I host from my home server using copermine too. But I use jpegs and no one here complains about performance of my DSL service. Guess what? It's the freaking interweb and with web-sized images jpeg lossy compression doesn't mean much. I'll concur. Christian's site loads (after a short delay to compose the background/framing) with a quick little pop Imagine that thumbnails that draw in less than 10 seconds. That's at least a usable site. Hell, the LARGE images load faster than some other people's (why mention names?) thumbnails. (I was about to say ..and he's way over in Europe! but I guess the name threw me off) :-) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 22, 2007, at 20:17, Christian wrote: Polyhead wrote: OH yea, so because i want to do things my way, i'm a bad guy, fuck you pal. Actually, that was David... Pal hasn't posted for a while... My polyhead filter is working great, but for some reason I still keep reading everyone else's *responses*. I'm not sure why I do it, but it sure is more relaxing than reading the ENTIRE thread. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 23, 2007 11:17 AM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: OH yea, so because i want to do things my way, i'm a bad guy, fuck you pal. Actually, that was David... Pal hasn't posted for a while... Har! Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh, I forgot about Pal. I want him for my team too. I'm gonna have T-shirts made up, The righteous flamers. Regards, Bob S. On Dec 22, 2007 8:46 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2007 11:17 AM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: OH yea, so because i want to do things my way, i'm a bad guy, fuck you pal. Actually, that was David... Pal hasn't posted for a while... Har! Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/20 Thu PM 07:07:45 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Portland Fountains Adam Maas wrote: ...your site is an exercise in how not to present your images online. Mark! He's already using it as an example for his classes. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 21, 2007 5:28 AM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/20 Thu PM 07:07:45 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Portland Fountains Adam Maas wrote: ...your site is an exercise in how not to present your images online. Mark! He's already using it as an example for his classes. Good, he can discard mine now.:-) Dave - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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'Polyhead', (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) I'm glad that I've missed this thread. Your pictures take to long to load. The extra time doesn't bring any extra quality. You're wasting my time (on a high speed line!) Why should I look? To give you some note of praise? Not after your arrogant rants. Go away and don't bother us until your attitude improves. You waste the bandwith here. (I'd say your pictures suck too, but I can't be bothered waiting to see them.) Regards, Bob S. On Dec 19, 2007 2:34 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:46:46 -0500 graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a large percentage of the people here on the list are computer professionals. They have forgotten more than you have had enough time yet to learn. In my experience only those who know little think they know a lot, when you actually know a lot, you also know how much you do not know and become somewhat humble. Well, see there is the problem. They make the assumption i've not written any image decoders. I'm willing to bet I've written at least one more than most of the people here. Raise your hand if you know M68K assembly. I've met plenty of people that are IT Professionals that don't know their ass from a whole in the ground. Like the guy telling me switching to flat HTML would magically increase the speed of the the site. Are you familiar with the term invincible ignorance? That is how you are coming across here. If that is not how you want to come across, maybe you should think about it a bit. Its more that I just don't give a shit. Really, who am I trying to impress? I don't care, I've got better things to do with my life than try to please everybody. Its my website, I'll run it my way, if they dont' like it, they can kiss my ass. It only exists to give me something to tinker with. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Polyhead wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: jpeg is lossy compression. Well, that's true. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them Oh my. If ignorance were cornflakes... I'm fully aware thats over simplifing it. But discussing the exacts of how it works would be far over the heads of most people here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Some longtime contributors with archaic names can get by with nicknames... ;-) Regards, Bob S. On Dec 21, 2007 5:56 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/12/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) Oi! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/12/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) Oi! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 21/12/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) Oi! No worries, Steve (if that's your REAL name...) :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The name is in the sig, learn to read email. 'Polyhead', (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) I'm glad that I've missed this thread. Your pictures take to long to load. The extra time doesn't bring any extra quality. You're wasting my time (on a high speed line!) Why should I look? To give you some note of praise? Not after your arrogant rants. Go away and don't bother us until your attitude improves. You waste the bandwith here. (I'd say your pictures suck too, but I can't be bothered waiting to see them.) Regards, Bob S. On Dec 19, 2007 2:34 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:46:46 -0500 graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a large percentage of the people here on the list are computer professionals. They have forgotten more than you have had enough time yet to learn. In my experience only those who know little think they know a lot, when you actually know a lot, you also know how much you do not know and become somewhat humble. Well, see there is the problem. They make the assumption i've not written any image decoders. I'm willing to bet I've written at least one more than most of the people here. Raise your hand if you know M68K assembly. I've met plenty of people that are IT Professionals that don't know their ass from a whole in the ground. Like the guy telling me switching to flat HTML would magically increase the speed of the the site. Are you familiar with the term invincible ignorance? That is how you are coming across here. If that is not how you want to come across, maybe you should think about it a bit. Its more that I just don't give a shit. Really, who am I trying to impress? I don't care, I've got better things to do with my life than try to please everybody. Its my website, I'll run it my way, if they dont' like it, they can kiss my ass. It only exists to give me something to tinker with. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Polyhead wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: jpeg is lossy compression. Well, that's true. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them Oh my. If ignorance were cornflakes... I'm fully aware thats over simplifing it. But discussing the exacts of how it works would be far over the heads of most people here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I can no imagine why someone would use a name like Bob, or George, or Tom Hi, my name is Tom Rittenhouse, my friends call me Graywolf. Nice to meet you Mister Rittenhouse. Then they wonder why I don't consider them friends... when they have all but told me they weren't and didn't want to be. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Cotty wrote: On 21/12/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) Oi! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A name like Graywolf though, makes me think furry. Not something I'm offended by, but some certainly would be. I can no imagine why someone would use a name like Bob, or George, or Tom Hi, my name is Tom Rittenhouse, my friends call me Graywolf. Nice to meet you Mister Rittenhouse. Then they wonder why I don't consider them friends... when they have all but told me they weren't and didn't want to be. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Cotty wrote: On 21/12/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) Oi! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 21, 2007, at 19:53, graywolf wrote: I can no imagine why someone would use a name like Bob, or George, or Tom Hi, my name is Tom Rittenhouse, my friends call me Graywolf. Shouldn't that be Greywolf? Nice to meet you Mister Rittenhouse. Then they wonder why I don't consider them friends... when they have all but told me they weren't and didn't want to be. Y'know, I've grown up knowing a large on-line community - from way back when when we all used 300 or 1200-baud modems to dial into bulletin boards. Even back in 1985 we were having gatherings where we'd get together and I couldn't call people by their handles, tags or aliases comfortably. Frankly, I like addressing people by their real names - that's just one of my hangups. This was back when my online name was random entry (because I couldn't think of a username the first board I logged onto) and I still have people in town when I'm at a party who will call me random. H. Of course, if a person prefers to go by their alias, I can be trained to use it. But if no preference is expressed, I go for the REAL name. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, the problem you see is that Graywolf is not my on-line name, my business cards say Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse. Most people knew me by that name even before I ever was on-line. Although I will admit that it came about as a reaction to handles, I had so many I sometimes didn't know who I was. Let's see is that my CB Handle, my Trail Name, my Rainbow Name, my Nickname...? One Name that is who I am; and a legal designation that satisfies the government, that's it. However, I understand where folks around here are coming from, they are just a class of people who do not use nicknames. Strangely it is not the few locals that have the problem, they are mostly OK with it, it is the well to do retirees, and dropped-out hippies (this town is full of hippies that came up here in the 70's and are now the squarest people you could imagine) that have the the problem. People are just funny, that's all. Me, I'm no different, I'm just funny in different ways than most. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Charles Robinson wrote: On Dec 21, 2007, at 19:53, graywolf wrote: I can no imagine why someone would use a name like Bob, or George, or Tom Hi, my name is Tom Rittenhouse, my friends call me Graywolf. Shouldn't that be Greywolf? Nice to meet you Mister Rittenhouse. Then they wonder why I don't consider them friends... when they have all but told me they weren't and didn't want to be. Y'know, I've grown up knowing a large on-line community - from way back when when we all used 300 or 1200-baud modems to dial into bulletin boards. Even back in 1985 we were having gatherings where we'd get together and I couldn't call people by their handles, tags or aliases comfortably. Frankly, I like addressing people by their real names - that's just one of my hangups. This was back when my online name was random entry (because I couldn't think of a username the first board I logged onto) and I still have people in town when I'm at a party who will call me random. H. Of course, if a person prefers to go by their alias, I can be trained to use it. But if no preference is expressed, I go for the REAL name. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graywolf, We've met and I'm happy to call you friend. Your nickname and mug go together perfectly. Regards, Bob S. On Dec 21, 2007 7:53 PM, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can no imagine why someone would use a name like Bob, or George, or Tom Hi, my name is Tom Rittenhouse, my friends call me Graywolf. Nice to meet you Mister Rittenhouse. Then they wonder why I don't consider them friends... when they have all but told me they weren't and didn't want to be. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Cotty wrote: On 21/12/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) Oi! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Read the email sig Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL. You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. You being a 'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your qualifications so we can be truely impressed. Regards, Bob S. On Dec 21, 2007 7:46 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The name is in the sig, learn to read email. 'Polyhead', (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) I'm glad that I've missed this thread. Your pictures take to long to load. The extra time doesn't bring any extra quality. You're wasting my time (on a high speed line!) Why should I look? To give you some note of praise? Not after your arrogant rants. Go away and don't bother us until your attitude improves. You waste the bandwith here. (I'd say your pictures suck too, but I can't be bothered waiting to see them.) Regards, Bob S. On Dec 19, 2007 2:34 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:46:46 -0500 graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a large percentage of the people here on the list are computer professionals. They have forgotten more than you have had enough time yet to learn. In my experience only those who know little think they know a lot, when you actually know a lot, you also know how much you do not know and become somewhat humble. Well, see there is the problem. They make the assumption i've not written any image decoders. I'm willing to bet I've written at least one more than most of the people here. Raise your hand if you know M68K assembly. I've met plenty of people that are IT Professionals that don't know their ass from a whole in the ground. Like the guy telling me switching to flat HTML would magically increase the speed of the the site. Are you familiar with the term invincible ignorance? That is how you are coming across here. If that is not how you want to come across, maybe you should think about it a bit. Its more that I just don't give a shit. Really, who am I trying to impress? I don't care, I've got better things to do with my life than try to please everybody. Its my website, I'll run it my way, if they dont' like it, they can kiss my ass. It only exists to give me something to tinker with. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Polyhead wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: jpeg is lossy compression. Well, that's true. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them Oh my. If ignorance were cornflakes... I'm fully aware thats over simplifing it. But discussing the exacts of how it works would be far over the heads of most people here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:22:02 -0600 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the email sig Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL. You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. You being a 'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your qualifications so we can be truely impressed. Regards, Bob S. High school drop out. Do things my way. Not ashamed of it. On Dec 21, 2007 7:46 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The name is in the sig, learn to read email. 'Polyhead', (Note that most people here use their real names, not some puffery.) I'm glad that I've missed this thread. Your pictures take to long to load. The extra time doesn't bring any extra quality. You're wasting my time (on a high speed line!) Why should I look? To give you some note of praise? Not after your arrogant rants. Go away and don't bother us until your attitude improves. You waste the bandwith here. (I'd say your pictures suck too, but I can't be bothered waiting to see them.) Regards, Bob S. On Dec 19, 2007 2:34 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:46:46 -0500 graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a large percentage of the people here on the list are computer professionals. They have forgotten more than you have had enough time yet to learn. In my experience only those who know little think they know a lot, when you actually know a lot, you also know how much you do not know and become somewhat humble. Well, see there is the problem. They make the assumption i've not written any image decoders. I'm willing to bet I've written at least one more than most of the people here. Raise your hand if you know M68K assembly. I've met plenty of people that are IT Professionals that don't know their ass from a whole in the ground. Like the guy telling me switching to flat HTML would magically increase the speed of the the site. Are you familiar with the term invincible ignorance? That is how you are coming across here. If that is not how you want to come across, maybe you should think about it a bit. Its more that I just don't give a shit. Really, who am I trying to impress? I don't care, I've got better things to do with my life than try to please everybody. Its my website, I'll run it my way, if they dont' like it, they can kiss my ass. It only exists to give me something to tinker with. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Polyhead wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: jpeg is lossy compression. Well, that's true. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them Oh my. If ignorance were cornflakes... I'm fully aware thats over simplifing it. But discussing the exacts of how it works would be far over the heads of most people here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
In a message dated 12/21/2007 9:24:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read the email sig Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL. You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. You being a 'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your qualifications so we can be truely impressed. Regards, Bob S. You're a patient man, Bob. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 02:02:10AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/21/2007 9:24:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read the email sig Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL. You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. You being a 'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your qualifications so we can be truely impressed. Regards, Bob S. You're a patient man, Bob. I fear he's also somewhat of a foolish one. The wisest (albeit hardest) course of action here would be to refrain from posting. Everything I've seen of Polyhead makes me believe he's the classic troll - one who feeds on attention, and isn't in the least interested in changing his behaviour. The best thing to do is to simply ignore him - trying to engage him in an argument is just letting him pick the rules. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:38:19 -0500 John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 02:02:10AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/21/2007 9:24:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read the email sig Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL. You know the majority of this list have advanced degrees, and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another. You being a 'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your qualifications so we can be truely impressed. Regards, Bob S. You're a patient man, Bob. I fear he's also somewhat of a foolish one. The wisest (albeit hardest) course of action here would be to refrain from posting. Everything I've seen of Polyhead makes me believe he's the classic troll - one who feeds on attention, and isn't in the least interested in changing his behaviour. So, wanting to just be yourself, and not intrested in changing how you do things makes you a troll? I fail to see how you could possibly find any logic in that statement. The best thing to do is to simply ignore him - trying to engage him in an argument is just letting him pick the rules. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's it geek boy, you are a complete shit. I was withholding judgment but now I don;t care. Keep this up and you're going be in everyone's kill file and you can have fun talking to yourself. Plonk! Polyhead wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:46:46 -0500 graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a large percentage of the people here on the list are computer professionals. They have forgotten more than you have had enough time yet to learn. In my experience only those who know little think they know a lot, when you actually know a lot, you also know how much you do not know and become somewhat humble. Well, see there is the problem. They make the assumption i've not written any image decoders. I'm willing to bet I've written at least one more than most of the people here. Raise your hand if you know M68K assembly. I've met plenty of people that are IT Professionals that don't know their ass from a whole in the ground. Like the guy telling me switching to flat HTML would magically increase the speed of the the site. Are you familiar with the term invincible ignorance? That is how you are coming across here. If that is not how you want to come across, maybe you should think about it a bit. Its more that I just don't give a shit. Really, who am I trying to impress? I don't care, I've got better things to do with my life than try to please everybody. Its my website, I'll run it my way, if they dont' like it, they can kiss my ass. It only exists to give me something to tinker with. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Polyhead wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: jpeg is lossy compression. Well, that's true. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them Oh my. If ignorance were cornflakes... I'm fully aware thats over simplifing it. But discussing the exacts of how it works would be far over the heads of most people here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
Adam Maas wrote: On 12/19/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:11:13 -0800 John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. You're talking about displaying photographs on the internet, which is meant to be a way of sharing information quickly and easily. Image compression quality takes a back seat most of the time around here, and no one else seems to be complaining about it. Your elitist attitude is grating. If you really don't care about what others think of your photos, why bother posting them in the first place? I thought they may enjoy it, I was wrong, instead they looked for something to complain about. Typical of the bulk of people really. I've got more bandwidth than God when I'm at work. I work for the company formerly known as UUNET. I've got straight 100MB Full-Duplex connections directly to the alter.net backbone. Your site is still too slow. PNG is NOT a format for rendering photographic output. If fact you probably couldn't have picked a worse format (Well, GIF, but it's got all the bad points of PNG with the addition of patent encumbrance). JPEG is the only commonly supported graphics format suited to web display of photographic images. Yes, it does have some bad points, but a max quality JPEG with smaller, lower-quality thumbnails will produce similar quality output (visually indistinguishable for the full-size image) with far better page render speeds (because your thumbnail's won't be 20x the size they need to be). -Adam Who did know M68K assembly back in the day. But hasn't used it in a decade. I only have real experience with 8086 to write TSRs. Learned IBM 360/370 in grad school. Did some fooling around with 6802 to write games for the Comadore 64 and had to bench check the DOD's 1441(?), hell it's been like 15 years since I even looked at that so forgive me if I don't remember the actual DOD designation, to trace an error in a USAF Satellite, because there were no machines still working that could run the emulator. But what the hell do I know, I'm just an IT guy who doesn't know shit. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
I think he's a lost cause. But then that's me. It took me weeks to killfile Dobo and years to killfile Rubinstein. This idiot managed to piss me off in less that two days, a new world record. Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Ken Waller wrote: If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. That would be a start. baby steps... Spelling is easier to master than social skills (or the concept of web usability). -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
Now Bob, remember your blood pressure The flame war is still in the preliminary stages. I'm thinking that flame war isn't enough for this twit. But a Flame Thrower, now we're talking. Bob Blakely wrote: This is boring and purile! Do I have to butt in and show you fellas how to have an artful flame war? Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/19/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. You're talking about displaying photographs on the internet, which is meant to be a way of sharing information quickly and easily. Image compression quality takes a back seat most of the time around here, and no one else seems to be complaining about it. Your elitist attitude is grating. If you really don't care about what others think of your photos, why bother posting them in the first place? I thought they may enjoy it, I was wrong, instead they looked for something to complain about. Typical of the bulk of people really. I've got more bandwidth than God when I'm at work. I work for the company formerly known as UUNET. I've got straight 100MB Full-Duplex connections directly to the alter.net backbone. Your site is still too slow. PNG is NOT a format for rendering photographic output. If fact you probably couldn't have picked a worse format (Well, GIF, but it's got all the bad points of PNG with the addition of patent encumbrance). JPEG is the only commonly supported graphics format suited to web display of photographic images. Yes, it does have some bad points, but a max quality JPEG with smaller, lower-quality thumbnails will produce similar quality output (visually indistinguishable for the full-size image) with far better page render speeds (because your thumbnail's won't be 20x the size they need to be). -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:07:46 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/19/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:11:13 -0800 John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. You're talking about displaying photographs on the internet, which is meant to be a way of sharing information quickly and easily. Image compression quality takes a back seat most of the time around here, and no one else seems to be complaining about it. Your elitist attitude is grating. If you really don't care about what others think of your photos, why bother posting them in the first place? I thought they may enjoy it, I was wrong, instead they looked for something to complain about. Typical of the bulk of people really. I've got more bandwidth than God when I'm at work. I work for the company formerly known as UUNET. I've got straight 100MB Full-Duplex connections directly to the alter.net backbone. Your site is still too slow. PNG is NOT a format for rendering photographic output. If fact you probably couldn't have picked a worse format (Well, GIF, but it's got all the bad points of PNG with the addition of patent encumbrance). JPEG is the only commonly supported graphics format suited to web display of photographic images. Yes, it does have some bad points, but a max quality JPEG with smaller, lower-quality thumbnails will produce similar quality output (visually indistinguishable for the full-size image) with far better page render speeds (because your thumbnail's won't be 20x the size they need to be). Well the thumb nail size is a problem, but there is no easy fix. If i hard wire coppermine to always output jpeg, then it will mung thumbnails for animated gifs. I think what i can do however is whip up a quick bash script to find png thumbnails and run them back throughimage magic and make jpeg thumbnails. I still refuse jpeg for the full resoultion image on black and white, it looses far too much detail. PNG is far from the worst option. Its compression is actually very good for a lossless format. Keep complaining, i'll make the whole site in Amiga IFF, find me web browser other than AWEB that supports that. :D I never said anyone was at fault for bandwidht other than myself. Its just hosted off my cable internet line, and it will never be coloed. Too slow for you, not too slow for anyone with even a hint of patience. -Adam Who did know M68K assembly back in the day. But hasn't used it in a decade. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 19, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Polyhead wrote: I'll do whatever I want with it. You can shove it up your ass if you so desire, I certainly don't care. heh, unix sex Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:29:12 -0800 Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is boring and purile! Do I have to butt in and show you fellas how to have an artful flame war? It stopped being about art from the first reply! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/19/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. You're talking about displaying photographs on the internet, which is meant to be a way of sharing information quickly and easily. Image compression quality takes a back seat most of the time around here, and no one else seems to be complaining about it. Your elitist attitude is grating. If you really don't care about what others think of your photos, why bother posting them in the first place? I thought they may enjoy it, I was wrong, instead they looked for something to complain about. Typical of the bulk of people really. I've got more bandwidth than God when I'm at work. I work for the company formerly known as UUNET. I've got straight 100MB Full-Duplex connections directly to the alter.net backbone. Your site is still too slow. PNG is NOT a format for rendering photographic output. If fact you probably couldn't have picked a worse format (Well, GIF, but it's got all the bad points of PNG with the addition of patent encumbrance). JPEG is the only commonly supported graphics format suited to web display of photographic images. Yes, it does have some bad points, but a max quality JPEG with smaller, lower-quality thumbnails will produce similar quality output (visually indistinguishable for the full-size image) with far better page render speeds (because your thumbnail's won't be 20x the size they need to be). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:22:20 +0900 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 20, 2007 5:34 AM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:46:46 -0500 graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a large percentage of the people here on the list are computer professionals. They have forgotten more than you have had enough time yet to learn. In my experience only those who know little think they know a lot, when you actually know a lot, you also know how much you do not know and become somewhat humble. Well, see there is the problem. They make the assumption i've not written any image decoders. I'm willing to bet I've written at least one more than most of the people here. And if it was anything like your web design it was probably bloated a PITA to use... Hardly, It was hand coded and optimized M68K assembly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
Heck if we want to go that way, I wrote an Z-80 assembler/disassembler (remember when those kinds of programs cost thousands of dollars) in machine code once upon a time, and did it as as hobby thing at that. Actually I wrote the Disassembler first, then it was real easy to do the assembler. What is the all so fired big deal about being able to do assembly code. I once knew someone who programed operating systems. No not worked on a team that wrote OS's, but did the whole thing from top to bottom himself. He put it on the market and it was considered one of the nicest DOS's available for the TRS-80 (back then Radio Shacks DOS was so bad that there were a half-dozen competitors on the market). His was Multi-Dos, and if anyone is interested it made anything Microsoft ever did look like the utter crap it is. I also knew the guy who wrote Lazy Writer (one of the very first word processing programs for the TRS-80 and hence one of the first on the market at all). I once asked him why it had such a strange interface. He replied that he had never even seen a word processing system when he wrote it so had to make it up himself. Back then, if you had a need, you had to do it yourself. Programming is such a simple thing. You break your process down into discrete steps (the hard part), then code those steps into some programming language or another. These days it mostly drag and drop. People who do not know a lot about programming think it is such a big deal. All of us know something, some of us know a lot of things, only the people who are so ignorant that they don't know they are ignorant think they know are smarter than everyone else because they know a little bit about something or another. As I said, invincible ignorance. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- P. J. Alling wrote: Adam Maas wrote: On 12/19/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:11:13 -0800 John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. You're talking about displaying photographs on the internet, which is meant to be a way of sharing information quickly and easily. Image compression quality takes a back seat most of the time around here, and no one else seems to be complaining about it. Your elitist attitude is grating. If you really don't care about what others think of your photos, why bother posting them in the first place? I thought they may enjoy it, I was wrong, instead they looked for something to complain about. Typical of the bulk of people really. I've got more bandwidth than God when I'm at work. I work for the company formerly known as UUNET. I've got straight 100MB Full-Duplex connections directly to the alter.net backbone. Your site is still too slow. PNG is NOT a format for rendering photographic output. If fact you probably couldn't have picked a worse format (Well, GIF, but it's got all the bad points of PNG with the addition of patent encumbrance). JPEG is the only commonly supported graphics format suited to web display of photographic images. Yes, it does have some bad points, but a max quality JPEG with smaller, lower-quality thumbnails will produce similar quality output (visually indistinguishable for the full-size image) with far better page render speeds (because your thumbnail's won't be 20x the size they need to be). -Adam Who did know M68K assembly back in the day. But hasn't used it in a decade. I only have real experience with 8086 to write TSRs. Learned IBM 360/370 in grad school. Did some fooling around with 6802 to write games for the Comadore 64 and had to bench check the DOD's 1441(?), hell it's been like 15 years since I even looked at that so forgive me if I don't remember the actual DOD designation, to trace an error in a USAF Satellite, because there were no machines still working that could run the emulator. But what the hell do I know, I'm just an IT guy who doesn't know shit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portland Fountains
Lossless formats are not suitable for web display of images. They're far too bandwidth intensive, unless both server and client are connected via a truly high-bandwidth connection. There is an easy fix for your problem. Use a file format designed for this sort of use. PNG is NOT designed for the display of photographic images (It's designed as a replacement for GIF, not JPEG). You might be able to get away with it if you had a colo'd server (at least for users like myself on high-bandwidth connection) but as it is your site is an exercise in how not to present your images online. -Adam On 12/20/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:07:46 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/19/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:11:13 -0800 John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. You're talking about displaying photographs on the internet, which is meant to be a way of sharing information quickly and easily. Image compression quality takes a back seat most of the time around here, and no one else seems to be complaining about it. Your elitist attitude is grating. If you really don't care about what others think of your photos, why bother posting them in the first place? I thought they may enjoy it, I was wrong, instead they looked for something to complain about. Typical of the bulk of people really. I've got more bandwidth than God when I'm at work. I work for the company formerly known as UUNET. I've got straight 100MB Full-Duplex connections directly to the alter.net backbone. Your site is still too slow. PNG is NOT a format for rendering photographic output. If fact you probably couldn't have picked a worse format (Well, GIF, but it's got all the bad points of PNG with the addition of patent encumbrance). JPEG is the only commonly supported graphics format suited to web display of photographic images. Yes, it does have some bad points, but a max quality JPEG with smaller, lower-quality thumbnails will produce similar quality output (visually indistinguishable for the full-size image) with far better page render speeds (because your thumbnail's won't be 20x the size they need to be). Well the thumb nail size is a problem, but there is no easy fix. If i hard wire coppermine to always output jpeg, then it will mung thumbnails for animated gifs. I think what i can do however is whip up a quick bash script to find png thumbnails and run them back throughimage magic and make jpeg thumbnails. I still refuse jpeg for the full resoultion image on black and white, it looses far too much detail. PNG is far from the worst option. Its compression is actually very good for a lossless format. Keep complaining, i'll make the whole site in Amiga IFF, find me web browser other than AWEB that supports that. :D I never said anyone was at fault for bandwidht other than myself. Its just hosted off my cable internet line, and it will never be coloed. Too slow for you, not too slow for anyone with even a hint of patience. -Adam Who did know M68K assembly back in the day. But hasn't used it in a decade. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam Maas wrote: ...your site is an exercise in how not to present your images online. Mark! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:53:53 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lossless formats are not suitable for web display of images. They're far too bandwidth intensive, unless both server and client are connected via a truly high-bandwidth connection. There is an easy fix for your problem. Use a file format designed for this sort of use. PNG is NOT designed for the display of photographic images (It's designed as a replacement for GIF, not JPEG). You might be able to get away with it if you had a colo'd server (at least for users like myself on high-bandwidth connection) but as it is your site is an exercise in how not to present your images online. It IS suitible, IF you remember to switch from RGB to Greyscale, which i did not!! Thats why there were so big. You can have greyscale images in png format and end up not any bigger than a jpeg, as jpeg does NOT support anything other than RGB. The images are now 1/3rd the size they were before, re-uploading them now. -Adam On 12/20/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:07:46 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/19/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:11:13 -0800 John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. You're talking about displaying photographs on the internet, which is meant to be a way of sharing information quickly and easily. Image compression quality takes a back seat most of the time around here, and no one else seems to be complaining about it. Your elitist attitude is grating. If you really don't care about what others think of your photos, why bother posting them in the first place? I thought they may enjoy it, I was wrong, instead they looked for something to complain about. Typical of the bulk of people really. I've got more bandwidth than God when I'm at work. I work for the company formerly known as UUNET. I've got straight 100MB Full-Duplex connections directly to the alter.net backbone. Your site is still too slow. PNG is NOT a format for rendering photographic output. If fact you probably couldn't have picked a worse format (Well, GIF, but it's got all the bad points of PNG with the addition of patent encumbrance). JPEG is the only commonly supported graphics format suited to web display of photographic images. Yes, it does have some bad points, but a max quality JPEG with smaller, lower-quality thumbnails will produce similar quality output (visually indistinguishable for the full-size image) with far better page render speeds (because your thumbnail's won't be 20x the size they need to be). Well the thumb nail size is a problem, but there is no easy fix. If i hard wire coppermine to always output jpeg, then it will mung thumbnails for animated gifs. I think what i can do however is whip up a quick bash script to find png thumbnails and run them back throughimage magic and make jpeg thumbnails. I still refuse jpeg for the full resoultion image on black and white, it looses far too much detail. PNG is far from the worst option. Its compression is actually very good for a lossless format. Keep complaining, i'll make the whole site in Amiga IFF, find me web browser other than AWEB that supports that. :D I never said anyone was at fault for bandwidht other than myself. Its just hosted off my cable internet line, and it will never be coloed. Too slow for you, not too slow for anyone with even a hint of patience. -Adam Who did know M68K assembly back in the day. But hasn't used it in a decade. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the
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On Dec 20, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Polyhead wrote: It IS suitible, IF you remember to switch from RGB to Greyscale, which i did not!! Thats why there were so big. You can have greyscale images in png format and end up not any bigger than a jpeg, as jpeg does NOT support anything other than RGB. The images are now 1/3rd the size they were before, re-uploading them now. Why should we bother? You've already told us you don't give a shit whether anyone looks at them or comments on them. I'm taking that as a cue and filing your notes in the trash as a waste of time. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scott Loveless wrote: Adam Maas wrote: ...your site is an exercise in how not to present your images online. Mark! Ooh, good one! Only 11 days to go! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't need to do any of that. :) You can be patient. I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. I may consider getting a co located machine, but then again, do i really care? not really. I don't use photoshop, I use gimp. Static HTML wouldn't be any faster than coppermine. All the images are pre-rendered. The back end is powered via mysql, no cpu usage at all to display anything, so going to static html isn't going to help a damn thing. You can't do batch uploads via SCP that way, screw that. Also, read the EULA, no thanks! It also probably doesn't allow PNG file types. Lossy compression is for losers. Brad? Is that you? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: jpeg is lossy compression. Well, that's true. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them Oh my. If ignorance were cornflakes... I'm fully aware thats over simplifing it. But discussing the exacts of how it works would be far over the heads of most people here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:11:13 -0800 John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. You're talking about displaying photographs on the internet, which is meant to be a way of sharing information quickly and easily. Image compression quality takes a back seat most of the time around here, and no one else seems to be complaining about it. Your elitist attitude is grating. If you really don't care about what others think of your photos, why bother posting them in the first place? I thought they may enjoy it, I was wrong, instead they looked for something to complain about. Typical of the bulk of people really. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:16:16 -0500 Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: I'm perfectly fine with that. If they can't just let it load in the back ground and get an image that is sharp and free of artifacts, thats their problem. I can't but I won't. I have better things to do. You've set a new record. I don't think I've ever killfiled anyone on less than a dozen posts, but you've made it. You ask me/us to do you the favor of giving you a review of your photos and gallery, but you have that little regard for me/us? Pshaw. since when did I ask for a review? I wouldn't care what anyone else thought of it anyway. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:34:31 -0500 Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 18, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Polyhead wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:53:56 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. If you pay more attention to how something is said rather than what is being said, then there is no need for me to bother with you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If they are that sensitive i have no use for them anyway. At 05:15 AM 19/12/2007, Polyhead wrote: Lossy compression is for losers. Bravo. In one ignorant post you've just called everyone on this list a loser. Good luck with getting people to pay attention to anything you say in the future. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/19 Wed AM 11:02:34 GMT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Portland Fountains If they are that sensitive i have no use for them anyway. No, not Valentin - he might have come across as arrogant but not with this streak of petulance. None of the barely-repressed violence of Dobo either, though. Gentlemen, we may have discovered a new species. Undoubtedly intelligent, as shown by its use of a non colour-managed application to produce BW pictures. Can I suggest the name Broadbandia maxibytus in honour of its first appearance amongst us? At 05:15 AM 19/12/2007, Polyhead wrote: Lossy compression is for losers. Bravo. In one ignorant post you've just called everyone on this list a loser. Good luck with getting people to pay attention to anything you say in the future. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 18, 2007 4:10 PM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 18, 2007 3:53 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. I hate all this complicated computer talk. Oh, thats what that was then. Dave cheers, frank ;-) -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling wrote: David Savage wrote: At 06:09 AM 19/12/2007, Polyhead wrote: People use it (jpeg) because they just don't know any better. This just gets better better... And yet he continues... Unaware of the axiom that when you're in a hole it's best to stop digging... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:17:25 -0500 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 18, 2007 4:10 PM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 18, 2007 3:53 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. I hate all this complicated computer talk. Oh, thats what that was then. Dave Yea well, this is what you get for shooting on film I suppose. cheers, frank ;-) -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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mike wilson wrote: From: Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they are that sensitive i have no use for them anyway. No, not Valentin - he might have come across as arrogant but not with this streak of petulance. None of the barely-repressed violence of Dobo either, though. Gentlemen, we may have discovered a new species. Undoubtedly intelligent, as shown by its use of a non colour-managed application to produce BW pictures. Can I suggest the name Broadbandia maxibytus in honour of its first appearance amongst us? He brings to mind a parody science expert character (Dr. Science, I think) whose catchphrase was There is a thin line between ignorance and arrogance - I have crossed that line! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 19, 2007 12:34 AM, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. I'm giving classes this week. Dave -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 19, 2007 12:34 AM, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. Do you mean a lot as in a place you build a house, or a lot as in a whole bunch of stuff? cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 19, 2007 7:24 AM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:17:25 -0500 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 18, 2007 4:10 PM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 18, 2007 3:53 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. I hate all this complicated computer talk. Oh, thats what that was then. Dave Yea well, this is what you get for shooting on film I suppose. To quote the greatest Canadian ever, Red Green: I'm a man, I can change, if i have to, I guess.:-) Dave cheers, frank ;-) -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/19 Wed PM 01:02:33 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Portland Fountains On Dec 19, 2007 12:34 AM, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. Do you mean a lot as in a place you build a house, or a lot as in a whole bunch of stuff? Whatever. Just not allot which is almost, but not quite, a pickled onion. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/19 Wed PM 01:07:31 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Portland Fountains On Dec 19, 2007 12:34 AM, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. I'm giving classes this week. Dave... You mean I'm giving classes this weak. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/19 Wed PM 02:01:33 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Portland Fountains On Dec 19, 2007 8:59 AM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever. Just not allot which is almost, but not quite, a pickled onion. Does he have turnips in his trousers? I thought he had a carrot in his pocket but maybe he was just pleased to be here. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 19, 2007 8:59 AM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever. Just not allot which is almost, but not quite, a pickled onion. Does he have turnips in his trousers? -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But, he was only going to let you have what he was going to give you. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- mike wilson wrote: From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/19 Wed PM 01:02:33 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Portland Fountains On Dec 19, 2007 12:34 AM, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. Do you mean a lot as in a place you build a house, or a lot as in a whole bunch of stuff? Whatever. Just not allot which is almost, but not quite, a pickled onion. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, a large percentage of the people here on the list are computer professionals. They have forgotten more than you have had enough time yet to learn. In my experience only those who know little think they know a lot, when you actually know a lot, you also know how much you do not know and become somewhat humble. Are you familiar with the term invincible ignorance? That is how you are coming across here. If that is not how you want to come across, maybe you should think about it a bit. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Polyhead wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: jpeg is lossy compression. Well, that's true. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them Oh my. If ignorance were cornflakes... I'm fully aware thats over simplifing it. But discussing the exacts of how it works would be far over the heads of most people here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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DougF, you're not alone! It is definitely a new record for me, too. LOL Yolanda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Franklin Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 00:16 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Portland Fountains Polyhead wrote: I'm perfectly fine with that. If they can't just let it load in the back ground and get an image that is sharp and free of artifacts, thats their problem. I can't but I won't. I have better things to do. You've set a new record. I don't think I've ever killfiled anyone on less than a dozen posts, but you've made it. You ask me/us to do you the favor of giving you a review of your photos and gallery, but you have that little regard for me/us? Pshaw. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/18/2007 11:03:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Way way way too slow to wait for the page to load. G == Yeah, by the time the picture had half loaded I had lost interest. So didn't seem them. Not a good idea to have thumbnails at the bottom, they have to load too. Better to have thumbnails on one page, larger pictures on their own pages. HTH, Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/19/2007 3:06:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm fully aware thats over simplifing it. But discussing the exacts of how it works would be far over the heads of most people here. = Oh, my. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Marnie, the thumbnails are huge too. Just hogging bandwidth for something which should just make you think it might be worthwhile to download the actual image. It's like embedding a PSD or uncompressed Tiff file, in a web page, or even using a full size jpeg for the thumbnail, sure the full size image loads instantly when you click on it, but it defeats most of the purpose to using a thumbnail, without that advantage. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/18/2007 11:03:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Way way way too slow to wait for the page to load. G == Yeah, by the time the picture had half loaded I had lost interest. So didn't seem them. Not a good idea to have thumbnails at the bottom, they have to load too. Better to have thumbnails on one page, larger pictures on their own pages. HTH, Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/19/2007 9:34:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie, the thumbnails are huge too. Just hogging bandwidth for something which should just make you think it might be worthwhile to download the actual image. It's like embedding a PSD or uncompressed Tiff file, in a web page, or even using a full size jpeg for the thumbnail, sure the full size image loads instantly when you click on it, but it defeats most of the purpose to using a thumbnail, without that advantage. === Uh huh. Well, I hadn't read the whole thread yet either when I made that comment. Like most of us try to help others with their web pages, when the format is a deterrent for viewing photos. And most of us also listen to such feedback because we want our photos viewed. That seems not to be the case here. ;-) I make my own thumbnails 80x120, low res, forget what res but low res. So they will load quick. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. That would be a start. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Portland Fountains On Dec 18, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Polyhead wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:53:56 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: I also refuse to use jpeg, png or nothing. Wow. That's bizarre. Hardly, jpeg is lossy compression. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them, you lose both dynamic range and resolution with jpeg. PNG is lossless and opensource. The other problem with jpeg is that because of the way it handles compression, it chokes on film grain. There isn't a way to feed a jpeg encoder a image with allot of film grain and have it spit out a reasonable result. People use it because they just don't know any better. If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken Waller wrote: If you want to try to appear intelligent, you might want to learn how to spell a lot. That would be a start. baby steps... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. Sound advice here marnie ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:38:31 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/19/2007 9:34:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie, the thumbnails are huge too. Just hogging bandwidth for something which should just make you think it might be worthwhile to download the actual image. It's like embedding a PSD or uncompressed Tiff file, in a web page, or even using a full size jpeg for the thumbnail, sure the full size image loads instantly when you click on it, but it defeats most of the purpose to using a thumbnail, without that advantage. === Uh huh. Well, I hadn't read the whole thread yet either when I made that comment. Like most of us try to help others with their web pages, when the format is a deterrent for viewing photos. And most of us also listen to such feedback because we want our photos viewed. That seems not to be the case here. ;-) I make my own thumbnails 80x120, low res, forget what res but low res. So they will load quick. I hardly need help. It works the way it does because thats the way I want it. I wouldn't mind the thumbnails as jpegs, but, it is what it is. You upload a PNG file, and the thumbnails and intermediates will also be png. I suppose I could hack the thumbnail generation script to always output jpeg. The full resolution images are going to be in PNG though. Anyway, since people are complaining, I did the only sensible thing, make it all even bigger. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 19, 2007 3:38 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, since people are complaining, I did the only sensible thing, make it all even bigger. Thats all we ask. Dave Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, that makes sense. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ Quoting Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyway, since people are complaining, I did the only sensible thing, make it all even bigger. -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:46:46 -0500 graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, a large percentage of the people here on the list are computer professionals. They have forgotten more than you have had enough time yet to learn. In my experience only those who know little think they know a lot, when you actually know a lot, you also know how much you do not know and become somewhat humble. Well, see there is the problem. They make the assumption i've not written any image decoders. I'm willing to bet I've written at least one more than most of the people here. Raise your hand if you know M68K assembly. I've met plenty of people that are IT Professionals that don't know their ass from a whole in the ground. Like the guy telling me switching to flat HTML would magically increase the speed of the the site. Are you familiar with the term invincible ignorance? That is how you are coming across here. If that is not how you want to come across, maybe you should think about it a bit. Its more that I just don't give a shit. Really, who am I trying to impress? I don't care, I've got better things to do with my life than try to please everybody. Its my website, I'll run it my way, if they dont' like it, they can kiss my ass. It only exists to give me something to tinker with. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Polyhead wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polyhead wrote: jpeg is lossy compression. Well, that's true. It grabs a square of pixels and averages them Oh my. If ignorance were cornflakes... I'm fully aware thats over simplifing it. But discussing the exacts of how it works would be far over the heads of most people here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Polyhead wrote: Really, who am I trying to impress? I think all of us here have come to a more accurate answer to that question than you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 19, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Polyhead wrote: Its more that I just don't give a shit. Really, who am I trying to impress? I don't care, I've got better things to do with my life than try to please everybody. Its my website, I'll run it my way, if they dont' like it, they can kiss my ass. It only exists to give me something to tinker with. Then don't publish it. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
