Re: White K2000 pics
John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000? Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000 BECAUSE it's white? They aren't intended for people such as those here. Ask Jostein to ask his wife and daughter what they think of it. Actually, he will have to ask his daughter what she would think of a pink one. That _would_ be bought because it was pink - as would my mother-in-law's camera. No way of really knowing but I would happily bet that there is a bigger market for a pink DSLR than the whole of the membership of PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL. Sorry, but according to my daughter, pink is out. Mike Wilsons' daughter, however... :-) My wife just groans and say; You want _me_ to consider a camera?!? Jostein 2008/12/22 m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000? Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000 BECAUSE it's white? They aren't intended for people such as those here. Ask Jostein to ask his wife and daughter what they think of it. Actually, he will have to ask his daughter what she would think of a pink one. That _would_ be bought because it was pink - as would my mother-in-law's camera. No way of really knowing but I would happily bet that there is a bigger market for a pink DSLR than the whole of the membership of PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. Sorry, but according to my daughter, pink is out. WOW. A whole industry, sunk. Mike Wilsons' daughter, however... :-) Isn't _that_ the truth... My wife just groans and say; You want _me_ to consider a camera?!? 8-))) (Did you tell her it was white?) Jostein 2008/12/22 m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000? Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000 BECAUSE it's white? They aren't intended for people such as those here. Ask Jostein to ask his wife and daughter what they think of it. Actually, he will have to ask his daughter what she would think of a pink one. That _would_ be bought because it was pink - as would my mother-in-law's camera. No way of really knowing but I would happily bet that there is a bigger market for a pink DSLR than the whole of the membership of PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 22, 2008, at 07:49 , m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: My wife just groans and say; You want _me_ to consider a camera?!? 8-))) (Did you tell her it was white?) Show her this - http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Entries/ 2008/12/22_In_it’s_Natural_Element.html Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com gallery.me.com/jomac web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry, John. I never intended to take you seriously. Apologies for launching you into an argument where you thought I did. And speaking of missing points, I think you refused to consider mine. More seriously, though, if you cling to a 20 year old Z-1p as your ideal camera, I do not understand why you don't go buy yourself a 2nd hand FA* 300/2.8. They are mighty good lenses by any measurement, they are optimised for film use instead of this newfangled digital stuff, and pop up on eBay more than once a year. Jostein 2008/12/21 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: AlunFoto 008/12/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: I don't want to switch brands, but if Pentax continues on the course they're presently on, I may not have a choice. If it does turn out that way, I ain't going quietly. You know, What I really don't understand is why K?ningsegg can not make me a truck when I want one, and why Budweiser never can come up with a decent beer. So far I've gone quietly about this, but following your advice, I think I shall join the relevant forums and tell the world how those companies _should_ have done their business. Thanks for the inspiration. You're welcome, although I think you still miss the point. AFAIK, K?ningsegg has never manufactured trucks, any more than Budweiser has ever manufactured decent beer. Pentax, OTOH, has a history to live up to. And, if this isn't a relevant forum to discuss the shortcomings of Pentax's current offerings, there is none. I'll let this be my last comment on the subject. I think Pentax is pursuing a course that will not increase their market share, nor contribute to their long term viability. If Pentax continues on the course they're on, a year or two years from now Pentax won't be in the camera business. I hope I'm wrong. But ... Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000? Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000 BECAUSE it's white? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:58:22PM -0500, John Sessoms wrote: I hope I'm wrong. But ... Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000? Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000 BECAUSE it's white? If Pentax's future lies with those of us on this list (and the like) then the company is already doomed. Canon may have nice gear at the high end, but the company profit comes from selling a boatload of Rebel GTI turbo XLs (or whatever the current latest model is) for every 1DS III or 5D Mk 2. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Unfortunately for the climate modellers solar output went in the shitter with the current solar cycle and all of the common models assume a relatively stable solar output (since they're designed to model earth-based changes to the climate). Nobody except the historians have anything approaching an accurate idea of what's going to happen to the climate if the current solar cycle stays on its low-output course, or worse if the next Solar Cycle is similarly low). And the historical data presupposes a starting point distinctly warmer than 2006/2007 (The Medieval Optimum Period which ended between 1200 and 1250AD with the start of the Little Ice Age). whatever the causes of climate change, and whether it's good or bad overall, it does have some interesting side-effects and benefits: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7580294.stm Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/12/19 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:43 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: snip For my part, I like Pentax tools. snip That's a punch line waiting for a joke to set it up. I just haven't come up with that joke yet. You mean like, Be careful what part of the body you apply them to? -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/12/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: I don't want to switch brands, but if Pentax continues on the course they're presently on, I may not have a choice. If it does turn out that way, I ain't going quietly. You know, What I really don't understand is why Köningsegg can not make me a truck when I want one, and why Budweiser never can come up with a decent beer. So far I've gone quietly about this, but following your advice, I think I shall join the relevant forums and tell the world how those companies _should_ have done their business. Thanks for the inspiration. Not that I'll ever buy a Köeningsegg, or a Bud, for that matter, but it's the principle that count, of course. Both brands, which are respectable, and which I love, deserves the opportunity to satisfy me as a customer. And if they don't, well, then I have the irrevocable right, on every online forum I can find a domain name for, to bash them for whatever they do. Then I will go and join Doug Brewer's therapy group for excessive-compulsive use of commas. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 20, 2008, at 7:54 AM, AlunFoto wrote: Then I will go and join Doug Brewer's therapy group for excessive-compulsive use of commas. :-) Jostein Admitting you have a problem is the first step. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, it's Admitting, you have a problem, is the first step. Doug d...@alphoto.com 12/20/2008 11:19 AM On Dec 20, 2008, at 7:54 AM, AlunFoto wrote: Then I will go and join Doug Brewer's therapy group for excessive-compulsive use of commas. :-) Jostein Admitting you have a problem is the first step. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:494d1b35182721254620162! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think I shall join the relevant forums and tell the world how those companies _should_ have done their business. Oh, you mean like the U. S governemnt? -- (notice no smiley) -- Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: I don't want to switch brands, but if Pentax continues on the course they're presently on, I may not have a choice. If it does turn out that way, I ain't going quietly. You know, What I really don't understand is why Köningsegg can not make me a truck when I want one, and why Budweiser never can come up with a decent beer. So far I've gone quietly about this, but following your advice, I think I shall join the relevant forums and tell the world how those companies _should_ have done their business. Thanks for the inspiration. Not that I'll ever buy a Köeningsegg, or a Bud, for that matter, but it's the principle that count, of course. Both brands, which are respectable, and which I love, deserves the opportunity to satisfy me as a customer. And if they don't, well, then I have the irrevocable right, on every online forum I can find a domain name for, to bash them for whatever they do. Then I will go and join Doug Brewer's therapy group for excessive-compulsive use of commas. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh, so the warming we're experiencing now has happened before. I wonder what caused those warming cooling periods thousands of years ago? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: White K2000 pics Unfortunately for the climate modellers solar output went in the shitter with the current solar cycle and all of the common models assume a relatively stable solar output (since they're designed to model earth-based changes to the climate). Nobody except the historians have anything approaching an accurate idea of what's going to happen to the climate if the current solar cycle stays on its low-output course, or worse if the next Solar Cycle is similarly low). And the historical data presupposes a starting point distinctly warmer than 2006/2007 (The Medieval Optimum Period which ended between 1200 and 1250AD with the start of the Little Ice Age). whatever the causes of climate change, and whether it's good or bad overall, it does have some interesting side-effects and benefits: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7580294.stm Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Flintstones? Christian Ken Waller wrote: Oh, so the warming we're experiencing now has happened before. I wonder what caused those warming cooling periods thousands of years ago? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: White K2000 pics Unfortunately for the climate modellers solar output went in the shitter with the current solar cycle and all of the common models assume a relatively stable solar output (since they're designed to model earth-based changes to the climate). Nobody except the historians have anything approaching an accurate idea of what's going to happen to the climate if the current solar cycle stays on its low-output course, or worse if the next Solar Cycle is similarly low). And the historical data presupposes a starting point distinctly warmer than 2006/2007 (The Medieval Optimum Period which ended between 1200 and 1250AD with the start of the Little Ice Age). whatever the causes of climate change, and whether it's good or bad overall, it does have some interesting side-effects and benefits: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7580294.stm Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Look. We all know how it happened before. Here it is: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NMIASrYJrv9ry0ptkS9dLw?feat=directlink With all that smoke it's no wonder they set of the global cooling with ice ages and all. Jostein 2008/12/20 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Oh, so the warming we're experiencing now has happened before. I wonder what caused those warming cooling periods thousands of years ago? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: White K2000 pics Unfortunately for the climate modellers solar output went in the shitter with the current solar cycle and all of the common models assume a relatively stable solar output (since they're designed to model earth-based changes to the climate). Nobody except the historians have anything approaching an accurate idea of what's going to happen to the climate if the current solar cycle stays on its low-output course, or worse if the next Solar Cycle is similarly low). And the historical data presupposes a starting point distinctly warmer than 2006/2007 (The Medieval Optimum Period which ended between 1200 and 1250AD with the start of the Little Ice Age). whatever the causes of climate change, and whether it's good or bad overall, it does have some interesting side-effects and benefits: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7580294.stm Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From Nikon we get the D3, D3x, and D700 From Canon we get EOS 5D, EOS 50D, ... even the EOS Rebels Most of those may be fine for pros, or even amateurs with a very serious interest and a big budget, but what about the rest of us? Both lines with a full range of available lenses, from Ultra-wide zooms through wide, normal, telephoto and super telephoto. Not to mention, both lines still support FILM with cameras and lenses. And what do we get from Pentax? In-body IS and the ability to use a huge range of older lenses! From my point of view, and in my price and application range, Pentax or Four Thirds are the obvious choices. Maybe Sony, I haven't really looked. C and N aren't in the running. Even with more money and harder requirements, it is not clear C and N are the only choices. Olympus have a 4/3 lens that is 14-35 mm (28-70 equivalent) at F2.0. Where does your full range of available lenses have something to match that? Their 7-14 is reportedly superb as well. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Rick Womer John, I'm curious--what is missing from the lens roadmap that you would like? Rick 300 f/2.8 lenses I can use with my PZ-1P -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- Original message -- From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com From: Rick Womer John, I'm curious--what is missing from the lens roadmap that you would like? Rick 300 f/2.8 lenses I can use with my PZ-1P -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 20, 2008, at 16:12 , John Sessoms wrote: From: Rick Womer John, I'm curious--what is missing from the lens roadmap that you would like? Rick 300 f/2.8 lenses I can use with my PZ-1P All available on the used market. I'm surprised you don't already have the collection. :-) Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: AlunFoto 008/12/19 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: I don't want to switch brands, but if Pentax continues on the course they're presently on, I may not have a choice. If it does turn out that way, I ain't going quietly. You know, What I really don't understand is why K?ningsegg can not make me a truck when I want one, and why Budweiser never can come up with a decent beer. So far I've gone quietly about this, but following your advice, I think I shall join the relevant forums and tell the world how those companies _should_ have done their business. Thanks for the inspiration. You're welcome, although I think you still miss the point. AFAIK, K?ningsegg has never manufactured trucks, any more than Budweiser has ever manufactured decent beer. Pentax, OTOH, has a history to live up to. And, if this isn't a relevant forum to discuss the shortcomings of Pentax's current offerings, there is none. I'll let this be my last comment on the subject. I think Pentax is pursuing a course that will not increase their market share, nor contribute to their long term viability. If Pentax continues on the course they're on, a year or two years from now Pentax won't be in the camera business. I hope I'm wrong. But ... Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000? Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000 BECAUSE it's white? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000? Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000 BECAUSE it's white? If I had the money, I would. I think it's awesome. But it's a moot point, because I doubt I'll ever have the money. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have to say, since the K2000 is not a body I would be considering, because of feature set, the only reason I would buy one is because it is white. A very cool novelty in my mind. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, December 20, 2008, 6:33:55 PM, you wrote: Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000? Who on this list is going to buy a white K2000 BECAUSE it's white? JC If I had the money, I would. I think it's awesome. JC But it's a moot point, because I doubt I'll ever have the money. JC John JC -- JC http://www.neovenator.com JC http://www.cafepress.com/calemp JC http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto JC -- JC PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List JC PDML@pdml.net JC http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net JC to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 20, 2008, at 16:12 , John Sessoms wrote: lenses I can use with my PZ-1P Speaking of PZ-1p cameras, I have one, rarely use it. But I have 6 Varta 2CR5 Lithium batteries, unopened, that expire in June 2010. I doubt I'll use more than 1 or 2 burning through the rest of my film. So my question is, is anyone willing to pay the shipping to get from 1 to 4 of them for free? The same goes for 6 extra unopened Sanyo CR123A Lithiums that I have been hoarding to use with my Zoom 90-WR. Use by 2011 Both types say the warranty expires 1 year from date of purchase, so you're SOL there. Anyone? Anyone? eMail me off-list if you're embarrassed. :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com gallery.me.com/jomac web.me.com/jomac/show.me/ homepage.mac.com/jomac/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/12/18 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: I think it sucks too. But my personal preference is not worth a rats ass when it comes to marketing. And that's what this camera is all about. Like it or not. Definately a like it or not issue. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/12/18 Steve Desjardins desjard...@wlu.edu: OTOH, look how much fun we're having with this. I think it's really an Xmas present for the PDML. :-) Or maybe the rifle scopes were? :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Anything for a weird life Zaphod 2008/12/19 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: Don't know if this poster is serious or not, but LOL http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034message=30387245 ( Possible to paint D80 camera body white? After seeing the Pentax k2000 in white...,) MaritimTim 2008/12/18 Steve Desjardins desjard...@wlu.edu: OTOH, look how much fun we're having with this. I think it's really an Xmas present for the PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry, but that kind of rant makes me think your real issue may be located somewhere else than between motif and memory card. The camera is just a tool. If the tool doesn't fit your needs, find another one. For my part, I like Pentax tools. I just happen to be somewhat traditionalist when it comes to colour. Jostein 2008/12/18 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: AlunFoto I still think the look of this particular camera sucks. It's not the look that I find unappealing. A white K10D or K20D wouldn't bother me, although the color of the body wouldn't be a factor either way in a purchase decision. The bottom line for me is does the camera give me the tools I want to take the kind of photographs I want to take. The K2000 does NOT. And making a white version is just lipstick on a pig. From Nikon we get the D3, D3x, and D700 From Canon we get EOS 5D, EOS 50D, ... even the EOS Rebels Both lines with a full range of available lenses, from Ultra-wide zooms through wide, normal, telephoto and super telephoto. Not to mention, both lines still support FILM with cameras and lenses. And what do we get from Pentax? Auto Picture Action, Kids, Pet, Stage Lighting, and Night Snap modes, ... COMING SOON in white with a Dedicated help button. Don't get me started on Pentax lenses. I think Hoya was only interested in the Pentax's medical imaging division, but for public relations purposes had to pay lip service to continuing the Pentax camera division. But the sooner they can drive it into the ground with this kind of crap, the sooner they can close it down and be shut of it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/12/18 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:20 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Then why don't you quit complaining, sell your obviously inadequate Pentax crap and go buy a Nikon. Give me two minutes. I just have to go make some popcorn, grab a beer and sit back to watch this flame war develop. Looks like it could be a good one! Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hum, I don't know about you but I don't like to shoot my friends. Well at least not very often. -Original Message- From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 19, 2008 4:21 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/18 Steve Desjardins desjard...@wlu.edu: OTOH, look how much fun we're having with this. I think it's really an Xmas present for the PDML. :-) Or maybe the rifle scopes were? :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jostein, I agree with you 100% about tools. That said, a relationship that started (my personal case) 32 years ago may be better uderstood if we avoid the word tool. The moment I needed a different tool, I bought it. The moment I no longer needed the tool, I sold it. Some of the tools came from Canon (FD series, 2 cameras + 4 lenses), some from Nikon, Ricoh, others were rather large (Sinar+Schneiders), some medium sized (first a Pentax 67+ Takumars, later Hasselblad + Zeiss), one is waterproof (Nikon, still with me, tool all the same ). My Pentax gear remains mostly with me - sold some to buy tools, but most remains with me. Guess that would not describe the surviving as tools. I did sell some Pentax gear - maybe those were in the tool range? Km - 1976 ~ 1983 maybe a tool, sold when needed, not exactly missed K2 - 1981~1985 - tool, rather good one LX - since 1981 - not a tool, hope it will be restored again someday Zx5 - 1997 ~ 2001 - tool, despite good looking and superb in ergonomics Mx - since 2008 - not tools (2 of them, one to be restored next year) Pz1p - since 2008 - not so sure yet... ask me again in 2~3 years Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br ps: I like black and chromed cameras myself - would consider a subdued silver/ medium grey as well. White, only as a tool - part of a deep snow shooting gear, maybe. Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:43:16 +0100, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com escreveu: Sorry, but that kind of rant makes me think your real issue may be located somewhere else than between motif and memory card. The camera is just a tool. If the tool doesn't fit your needs, find another one. For my part, I like Pentax tools. I just happen to be somewhat traditionalist when it comes to colour. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. BTW -we're in the process of getting 6 to 12 inches of globasl warming today (Detroit metro area). Woke up to 5 or 6 inches already on the ground and it hasn't stopped yet. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/18 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:20 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Then why don't you quit complaining, sell your obviously inadequate Pentax crap and go buy a Nikon. Give me two minutes. I just have to go make some popcorn, grab a beer and sit back to watch this flame war develop. Looks like it could be a good one! Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken Waller wrote: Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. BTW -we're in the process of getting 6 to 12 inches of globasl warming today (Detroit metro area). Woke up to 5 or 6 inches already on the ground and it hasn't stopped yet. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f Don't be silly. Global warming is causing MORE snow. Just look at Las Vegas this week! ;-) -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Also beware of judging a global phenomenon from single-point observations. It's a reasonably big ball we're living on. :-) 2008/12/19 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. BTW -we're in the process of getting 6 to 12 inches of globasl warming today (Detroit metro area). Woke up to 5 or 6 inches already on the ground and it hasn't stopped yet. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/18 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:20 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Then why don't you quit complaining, sell your obviously inadequate Pentax crap and go buy a Nikon. Give me two minutes. I just have to go make some popcorn, grab a beer and sit back to watch this flame war develop. Looks like it could be a good one! Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: AlunFoto Sorry, but that kind of rant makes me think your real issue may be located somewhere else than between motif and memory card. The camera is just a tool. If the tool doesn't fit your needs, find another one. For my part, I like Pentax tools. I just happen to be somewhat traditionalist when it comes to colour. I understand the white K2000 is a marketing gimmick. I don't think marketing gimmicks are what Pentax needs to remain competitive. I want Pentax to offer the tools I want and need. I'm satisfied with my K10D (for now), and will eventually move up to a K20D, relegating the K10D to backup - if they don't come out with a K30D before I can justify the expense of the upgrade. And I don't care if the body is white or black or purple or red, white blue with yellow fringe, as long as it lets me do the job I want to do. Heck, I'm still happily using my K1000, LX and PZ-1P. I even shoot with the *ist-D sometimes. Pentax's lens road map OTOH just don't take me where I need to go. It ain't even on the same continent. But for now I can still find third party lenses that do give me what I want. I don't want to switch brands, but if Pentax continues on the course they're presently on, I may not have a choice. If it does turn out that way, I ain't going quietly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Christian Ken Waller wrote: Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. BTW -we're in the process of getting 6 to 12 inches of globasl warming today (Detroit metro area). Woke up to 5 or 6 inches already on the ground and it hasn't stopped yet. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f Don't be silly. Global warming is causing MORE snow. Just look at Las Vegas this week! ;-) Sounds about right. The main model says weather systems will get more chaotic. Dry areas get dryer, wet areas get wetter, hot areas get hotter, cold areas get colder ... and if you live somewhere in between, you're in for extreme swings. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: AlunFoto Subject: Re: White K2000 pics Also beware of judging a global phenomenon from single-point observations. It's a reasonably big ball we're living on. :-) With an increasingly diminishing polar ice cap Apparently thats not caused by global warming either. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:43 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: snip For my part, I like Pentax tools. snip That's a punch line waiting for a joke to set it up. I just haven't come up with that joke yet. cheers, frank ;-) -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:57 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Christian Ken Waller wrote: Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. BTW -we're in the process of getting 6 to 12 inches of globasl warming today (Detroit metro area). Woke up to 5 or 6 inches already on the ground and it hasn't stopped yet. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f Don't be silly. Global warming is causing MORE snow. Just look at Las Vegas this week! ;-) Sounds about right. The main model says weather systems will get more chaotic. Dry areas get dryer, wet areas get wetter, hot areas get hotter, cold areas get colder ... and if you live somewhere in between, you're in for extreme swings. Unfortunately for the climate modellers solar output went in the shitter with the current solar cycle and all of the common models assume a relatively stable solar output (since they're designed to model earth-based changes to the climate). Nobody except the historians have anything approaching an accurate idea of what's going to happen to the climate if the current solar cycle stays on its low-output course, or worse if the next Solar Cycle is similarly low). And the historical data presupposes a starting point distinctly warmer than 2006/2007 (The Medieval Optimum Period which ended between 1200 and 1250AD with the start of the Little Ice Age). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John, I'm curious--what is missing from the lens roadmap that you would like? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 12/19/08, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Pentax's lens road map OTOH just don't take me where I need to go. It ain't even on the same continent. But for now I can still find third party lenses that do give me what I want. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It was reported recently that contrary to a lame ass solar storm cycle peaking in 2012 as predicted, it look like it's going to be a historically ferocious one, capable of shutting down most satellites, maybe even the some electrical grids. And we only have two years to harden against it. This was not from a kook, but a report on the science channel. 'Tis of some concern, sorta short term. The global warming thing will have to be put on simmer for a while. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time On Dec 19, 2008, at 14:06 , Adam Maas wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:57 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Christian Ken Waller wrote: Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. BTW -we're in the process of getting 6 to 12 inches of globasl warming today (Detroit metro area). Woke up to 5 or 6 inches already on the ground and it hasn't stopped yet. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f Don't be silly. Global warming is causing MORE snow. Just look at Las Vegas this week! ;-) Sounds about right. The main model says weather systems will get more chaotic. Dry areas get dryer, wet areas get wetter, hot areas get hotter, cold areas get colder ... and if you live somewhere in between, you're in for extreme swings. Unfortunately for the climate modellers solar output went in the shitter with the current solar cycle and all of the common models assume a relatively stable solar output (since they're designed to model earth-based changes to the climate). Nobody except the historians have anything approaching an accurate idea of what's going to happen to the climate if the current solar cycle stays on its low-output course, or worse if the next Solar Cycle is similarly low). And the historical data presupposes a starting point distinctly warmer than 2006/2007 (The Medieval Optimum Period which ended between 1200 and 1250AD with the start of the Little Ice Age). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Like much of the global warming info, the solar storm impact is speculative. Does it merit concern? Of course. Is the sky falling? Probably not. Paul On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: It was reported recently that contrary to a lame ass solar storm cycle peaking in 2012 as predicted, it look like it's going to be a historically ferocious one, capable of shutting down most satellites, maybe even the some electrical grids. And we only have two years to harden against it. This was not from a kook, but a report on the science channel. 'Tis of some concern, sorta short term. The global warming thing will have to be put on simmer for a while. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time On Dec 19, 2008, at 14:06 , Adam Maas wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:57 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Christian Ken Waller wrote: Beware of the global warming resulting from flamewars. BTW -we're in the process of getting 6 to 12 inches of globasl warming today (Detroit metro area). Woke up to 5 or 6 inches already on the ground and it hasn't stopped yet. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f Don't be silly. Global warming is causing MORE snow. Just look at Las Vegas this week! ;-) Sounds about right. The main model says weather systems will get more chaotic. Dry areas get dryer, wet areas get wetter, hot areas get hotter, cold areas get colder ... and if you live somewhere in between, you're in for extreme swings. Unfortunately for the climate modellers solar output went in the shitter with the current solar cycle and all of the common models assume a relatively stable solar output (since they're designed to model earth-based changes to the climate). Nobody except the historians have anything approaching an accurate idea of what's going to happen to the climate if the current solar cycle stays on its low-output course, or worse if the next Solar Cycle is similarly low). And the historical data presupposes a starting point distinctly warmer than 2006/2007 (The Medieval Optimum Period which ended between 1200 and 1250AD with the start of the Little Ice Age). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So I can put my foil covered umbrella away then? : ) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com gallery.me.com/jomac web.me.com/jomac/show.me/ homepage.mac.com/jomac/ On Dec 19, 2008, at 18:23 , PN Stenquist wrote: Like much of the global warming info, the solar storm impact is speculative. Does it merit concern? Of course. Is the sky falling? Probably not. Paul On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: It was reported recently that contrary to a lame ass solar storm cycle peaking in 2012 as predicted, it look like it's going to be a historically ferocious one, capable of shutting down most satellites, maybe even the some electrical grids. And we only have two years to harden against it. This was not from a kook, but a report on the science channel. 'Tis of some concern, sorta short term. The global warming thing will have to be put on simmer for a while. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No. You'll want to use that umbrella when shooting portraits where a bit of hard light is called for. Paul On Dec 19, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: So I can put my foil covered umbrella away then? : ) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com gallery.me.com/jomac web.me.com/jomac/show.me/ homepage.mac.com/jomac/ On Dec 19, 2008, at 18:23 , PN Stenquist wrote: Like much of the global warming info, the solar storm impact is speculative. Does it merit concern? Of course. Is the sky falling? Probably not. Paul On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: It was reported recently that contrary to a lame ass solar storm cycle peaking in 2012 as predicted, it look like it's going to be a historically ferocious one, capable of shutting down most satellites, maybe even the some electrical grids. And we only have two years to harden against it. This was not from a kook, but a report on the science channel. 'Tis of some concern, sorta short term. The global warming thing will have to be put on simmer for a while. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Or what's missing from the legions of older Pentax lenses? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics John, I'm curious--what is missing from the lens roadmap that you would like? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 12/19/08, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Pentax's lens road map OTOH just don't take me where I need to go. It ain't even on the same continent. But for now I can still find third party lenses that do give me what I want. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/17/2008 5:41:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes: Steve Desjardins wrote: We all slip up and tell the truth sometimes. Sigh, ok, it's true. I read PDML for the pictures. -bmw LOL. Mark! Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bruce Dayton Why is liking a different color stupid? I don't get it. Many times when I want something, if it has color I may choose one. If you want to look like a 'Professional photographer', then black is in. But I'm saying that many people could care less about looking like a pro. http://ranmac.smugmug.com/photos/42483847-M.jpg Personally, I don't care what color they make it. I didn't see anything in the K2000 to make me want to buy one. It's one of those automatic everything picture taking cameras ... it don't need my input, so I don't need it. Changing the color didn't change that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Tim ?sleby Sorry Marnie, but I think you are a few months older than the usual target segment for this white DSRL :-) You and I like discretion yes. But the younger generation definitely don't. In fact most of them have the quite opposite approach to life. They will grab anything, that makes them think it will make them stand out in the crowd. If that's the target market, they need to give it tattoos. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:05 , Adam Maas wrote: == Cough, women aren't quite that stupid. So basically this is a stupid move on Pentax's part. (They could have spend the marketing money on something else. I'll be really surprised if it alone garners them any new sales.) Marnie aka Doe :-) Sales numbers of multi-coloured PS's would disagree with you Marnie. Ditto the unusual level of interest in the various coloured versions of the Panasonic G1, the first large-sensor Digital camera to be available in colours other than Silver and Black. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. Compare the selling prices of the turn of the century thru the 40's box and folder cameras from Kodak and others versus the black ones of the same models. Snakeskin may seem silly now, but 80 year old ladies cameras of that ilk fetch a pretty farthing. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree, not really much to fuss about. Before my time (i.e., before I realized that cameras were anything more than a box to hold film, shutter mechanism, and lens mount), I understand that Pentax introduced versions of the Spotmatic where they, for example, put an internal stop on the shutter speed dial so it would only move to 1/500 rather than 1/1000. A slight cosmetic change to the speed dial on the body and, hey presto, a new less expensive camera model. Or a super version of one model, where the only substantive difference was the focusing screen. Pentax has a long and successful history of such minor changes as a way of creating new market niches. And didn't the quoted interview with a Hoya big-shot recently tell us that they would be doing more of this? As to the white body, I would prefer maroon, but maybe next month... As long as there are people like Cesar who will skin their LX, there will be people who will be attracted to something other than a plain-vanilla black camera body. Tastes vary. Some people even prefer Canons!?! In my own case I paid an extra arm and leg to order my Limited lenses direct from Japan because I wanted black to match the black camera body, and black Ltd lenses weren't being imported here at the time. No functional difference, purely cosmetic preference... stan On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. Looks like an economical way for Pentax to increase sales Most likely aimed at those looking to make the jump to a DSLR. No one on the PDML would ever buy/use one - right? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, I lost my marbles. I decided to experiment on my primary PC the day before yesterday and managed to screw up the network drivers. I'm presently reading the PDML on a web interface, because my I can't find the driver file that causes my machine to reboot every time it starts with the network drivers enabled, and I did this voluntarily. It’s beginning to look like I’m going to have to reinstall the OS and then reinstall all of my software. A white camera? Hell, just tell everyone it’s the special arctic camouflage edition, or the special desert version because Black cameras over heat… -Original Message- From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 17, 2008 2:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17/12/08, eactiv...@aol.com, discombobulated, unleashed: Cough, women aren't quite that stupid. Cough. http://tinyurl.com/3shlqw ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17/12/08, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: Young men tend to show their buttoms. Tim, I think you've just defined a whole new photography fashion. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Via Pentaxforums.com: 3/4 front view http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pentaxkmwhiterightfg1.jpg Top view http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pentaxkmwhitetoprp2.jpg I think it's pretty cool looking (literally and figuratively). Interesting look. No lens hood, as I suppose that would spoil the effect with its black flock inner. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:51 AM, m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Interesting look. No lens hood, as I suppose that would spoil the effect with its black flock inner. They'll announce white-flocked lens hoods just in time for the Martin Luther King, Jr., Day shopping season. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I still think the look of this particular camera sucks. To me, that's what the fuss is about. Not about whether it's a good or bad idea to _attempt_ a design to flatter a certain target group in the market, which seems to be what this discussion is turning into. Jostein 2008/12/17 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Sorry, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. Looks like an economical way for Pentax to increase sales Most likely aimed at those looking to make the jump to a DSLR. No one on the PDML would ever buy/use one - right? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Peter, Have you tried to uninstall the drivers, and let the machine rediscover the hardware on next startup? If it is a registry issue, that may fix it... Best, Jostein 2008/12/18 Peter Alling webste...@mindspring.com: No, I lost my marbles. I decided to experiment on my primary PC the day before yesterday and managed to screw up the network drivers. I'm presently reading the PDML on a web interface, because my I can't find the driver file that causes my machine to reboot every time it starts with the network drivers enabled, and I did this voluntarily. It's beginning to look like I'm going to have to reinstall the OS and then reinstall all of my software. A white camera? Hell, just tell everyone it's the special arctic camouflage edition, or the special desert version because Black cameras over heat… -Original Message- From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 17, 2008 2:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think it sucks too. But my personal preference is not worth a rats ass when it comes to marketing. And that's what this camera is all about. Like it or not. 2008/12/18 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: I still think the look of this particular camera sucks. To me, that's what the fuss is about. Not about whether it's a good or bad idea to _attempt_ a design to flatter a certain target group in the market, which seems to be what this discussion is turning into. Jostein 2008/12/17 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Sorry, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. Looks like an economical way for Pentax to increase sales Most likely aimed at those looking to make the jump to a DSLR. No one on the PDML would ever buy/use one - right? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/18/2008 5:27:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, alunf...@gmail.com writes: I still think the look of this particular camera sucks. To me, that's what the fuss is about. Not about whether it's a good or bad idea to _attempt_ a design to flatter a certain target group in the market, which seems to be what this discussion is turning into. Jostein == :-) M - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Cotty Cough, women aren't quite that stupid. Cough. http://tinyurl.com/3shlqw I laughed so hard I think I just coughed up a lung. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:21 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:28 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Via Pentaxforums.com: 3/4 front view http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pentaxkmwhiterightfg1.jpg Top view http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pentaxkmwhitetoprp2.jpg I think it's pretty cool looking (literally and figuratively). I think it's cool, too. I'd never buy one (it's a bit too obvious for street shooting). What about using it on the mean streets of Baffin Island Dave OTOH, maybe it would look like a toy and put everyone at ease? Like I said, not for me, but it looks great. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: AlunFoto I still think the look of this particular camera sucks. It's not the look that I find unappealing. A white K10D or K20D wouldn't bother me, although the color of the body wouldn't be a factor either way in a purchase decision. The bottom line for me is does the camera give me the tools I want to take the kind of photographs I want to take. The K2000 does NOT. And making a white version is just lipstick on a pig. From Nikon we get the D3, D3x, and D700 From Canon we get EOS 5D, EOS 50D, ... even the EOS Rebels Both lines with a full range of available lenses, from Ultra-wide zooms through wide, normal, telephoto and super telephoto. Not to mention, both lines still support FILM with cameras and lenses. And what do we get from Pentax? Auto Picture Action, Kids, Pet, Stage Lighting, and Night Snap modes, ... COMING SOON in white with a Dedicated help button. Don't get me started on Pentax lenses. I think Hoya was only interested in the Pentax's medical imaging division, but for public relations purposes had to pay lip service to continuing the Pentax camera division. But the sooner they can drive it into the ground with this kind of crap, the sooner they can close it down and be shut of it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The bottom line for me is does the camera give me the tools I want to take the kind of photographs I want to take. The K2000 does NOT. And making a white version is just lipstick on a pig. From Nikon we get the D3, D3x, and D700 From Canon we get EOS 5D, EOS 50D, ... even the EOS Rebels Both lines with a full range of available lenses, from Ultra-wide zooms through wide, normal, telephoto and super telephoto. Not to mention, both lines still support FILM with cameras and lenses. Then why don't you quit complaining, sell your obviously inadequate Pentax crap and go buy a Nikon. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:20 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Then why don't you quit complaining, sell your obviously inadequate Pentax crap and go buy a Nikon. Give me two minutes. I just have to go make some popcorn, grab a beer and sit back to watch this flame war develop. Looks like it could be a good one! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OTOH, look how much fun we're having with this. I think it's really an Xmas present for the PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, I did try that. Unfortunatly it finds the same bad drivers all over again. It seems that Iomega replaces a number of dll's, (.sys files but they're dll's none the less), with older versions. It looks like it BSOD's on a loopback that is supposedly fixed by Win2K service pack 4. Because SP4 is installed, it doesn't seem to want to reinstall, and it won't uninstall, because the dll's have been changed. I have to narrow down the list of files that have been replaced and get good copies of them. In the meantime I'm using this crappy web interface. -Original Message- From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 18, 2008 8:43 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: White K2000 pics Peter, Have you tried to uninstall the drivers, and let the machine rediscover the hardware on next startup? If it is a registry issue, that may fix it... Best, Jostein 2008/12/18 Peter Alling webste...@mindspring.com: No, I lost my marbles. I decided to experiment on my primary PC the day before yesterday and managed to screw up the network drivers. I'm presently reading the PDML on a web interface, because my I can't find the driver file that causes my machine to reboot every time it starts with the network drivers enabled, and I did this voluntarily. It's beginning to look like I'm going to have to reinstall the OS and then reinstall all of my software. A white camera? Hell, just tell everyone it's the special arctic camouflage edition, or the special desert version because Black cameras over heat… -Original Message- From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 17, 2008 2:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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internal stop on the shutter speed dial so it would only move to 1/500 rather than 1/1000. Nau, a way cheaper solution than that. They just took the 1/1000 off the shutter speed dial. It still had the click stop and you could still set it. -Original Message- From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info Sent: Dec 18, 2008 1:25 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: White K2000 pics I agree, not really much to fuss about. Before my time (i.e., before I realized that cameras were anything more than a box to hold film, shutter mechanism, and lens mount), I understand that Pentax introduced versions of the Spotmatic where they, for example, put an internal stop on the shutter speed dial so it would only move to 1/500 rather than 1/1000. A slight cosmetic change to the speed dial on the body and, hey presto, a new less expensive camera model. Or a super version of one model, where the only substantive difference was the focusing screen. Pentax has a long and successful history of such minor changes as a way of creating new market niches. And didn't the quoted interview with a Hoya big-shot recently tell us that they would be doing more of this? As to the white body, I would prefer maroon, but maybe next month... As long as there are people like Cesar who will skin their LX, there will be people who will be attracted to something other than a plain-vanilla black camera body. Tastes vary. Some people even prefer Canons!?! In my own case I paid an extra arm and leg to order my Limited lenses direct from Japan because I wanted black to match the black camera body, and black Ltd lenses weren't being imported here at the time. No functional difference, purely cosmetic preference... stan On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. Looks like an economical way for Pentax to increase sales Most likely aimed at those looking to make the jump to a DSLR. No one on the PDML would ever buy/use one - right? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't know if this poster is serious or not, but LOL http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034message=30387245 ( Possible to paint D80 camera body white? After seeing the Pentax k2000 in white...,) MaritimTim 2008/12/18 Steve Desjardins desjard...@wlu.edu: OTOH, look how much fun we're having with this. I think it's really an Xmas present for the PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A happy holiday and a rosy future for you too, John. I'll send you a bill for the devaluation of my Pentax gear you so easily flush down the john, John. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com gallery.me.com/jomac web.me.com/jomac/show.me/ On Dec 18, 2008, at 12:03 , John Sessoms wrote: From: AlunFoto I still think the look of this particular camera sucks. It's not the look that I find unappealing. A white K10D or K20D wouldn't bother me, although the color of the body wouldn't be a factor either way in a purchase decision. The bottom line for me is does the camera give me the tools I want to take the kind of photographs I want to take. The K2000 does NOT. And making a white version is just lipstick on a pig. From Nikon we get the D3, D3x, and D700 From Canon we get EOS 5D, EOS 50D, ... even the EOS Rebels Both lines with a full range of available lenses, from Ultra-wide zooms through wide, normal, telephoto and super telephoto. Not to mention, both lines still support FILM with cameras and lenses. And what do we get from Pentax? Auto Picture Action, Kids, Pet, Stage Lighting, and Night Snap modes, ... COMING SOON in white with a Dedicated help button. Don't get me started on Pentax lenses. I think Hoya was only interested in the Pentax's medical imaging division, but for public relations purposes had to pay lip service to continuing the Pentax camera division. But the sooner they can drive it into the ground with this kind of crap, the sooner they can close it down and be shut of it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 18, 2008, at 12:20 , John Celio wrote: The bottom line for me is does the camera give me the tools I want to take the kind of photographs I want to take. The K2000 does NOT. And making a white version is just lipstick on a pig. From Nikon we get the D3, D3x, and D700 From Canon we get EOS 5D, EOS 50D, ... even the EOS Rebels Both lines with a full range of available lenses, from Ultra-wide zooms through wide, normal, telephoto and super telephoto. Not to mention, both lines still support FILM with cameras and lenses. Then why don't you quit complaining, sell your obviously inadequate Pentax crap and go buy a Nikon. John Off you go, have a nice life... www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3x.htm www.usa.canon.com/ Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:25:41PM -0200, Cassio Dorneles wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: I think someone is dumping LSD into the Sake. Only a hallucinating drunk could think this camera is a good idea. Only a company full of hallucinating drunks could think marketing this camera is a good idea. Well, although I wouldn't choose a camera by its color, some people would do. I think pentax is at aiming people who is jumping from ps to their first dslr. As ps cameras have a myriad of colors to satisfy ps consumers, it's natural to give them color options when they buy dslrs as well. I agree 100% After all, most people consider colo(u)r to be a very important factor when buying a car - something a lot more expensive than a camera. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 17, 2008, at 8:06, William Robb wrote: I think someone is dumping LSD into the Sake. Only a hallucinating drunk could think this camera is a good idea. Only a company full of hallucinating drunks could think marketing this camera is a good idea. It WOULD blend in nicely with an Imperial Storm-Trooper outfit, though. SO they've got that market covered. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:50 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: snip Note to Pentax: Get with the effin program. You need a lens line and an improved camera, not more carp feeding poo. Bill, I wish you'd stop beating around the bush and speak your mind for a change... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The big announcement, eh? I keep thinking about Captain Ahab . . . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/17/2008 7:58:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, charl...@visi.com writes: On Dec 17, 2008, at 8:06, William Robb wrote: I think someone is dumping LSD into the Sake. Only a hallucinating drunk could think this camera is a good idea. Only a company full of hallucinating drunks could think marketing this camera is a good idea. It WOULD blend in nicely with an Imperial Storm-Trooper outfit, though. SO they've got that market covered. -Charles Heh. That's what it makes me think of too. And not very discrete for street or wildlife shooting. Marnie aka Doe :-) Pretty silly, overall. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. McAllister Marketing, LLC Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com gallery.me.com/jomac web.me.com/jomac/show.me/ On Dec 17, 2008, at 05:26 , Tim Øsleby wrote: 2008/12/17 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: Beaker Subject: Re: White K2000 pics I'd like to see a Navy Blue Pentax. Cosina-Voightlander made a handsome navy blue Bessa rangefinder. Olive Green, Grey were also available, along with the standard silver and black. I'd like to see a 60-250mm lens. Why are they wasting their efforts on this kind of shit? Who gives a damn about whether the camera is white, black or Barbie pink? Mind your blood pressure my friend :-) How much effort do you think they have put into this? Some wise guy gets an idea one late evening. The next day he tells about it to his chief. The next day, the chief says to the people making the plastic parts: Lets make them white this time. Then the workers adds white powder instead of black powder in the production process. The day after that, the production chief goes to the marketing folks and asks them to make a press release about the Limited edition K-m. How much effort is that? MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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would do. I think pentax is at aiming people who is jumping from ps to their first dslr. I think it's for people who want to jump from ps to pos. Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cassio Dorneles Sent: 17 December 2008 14:26 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: White K2000 pics On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: I think someone is dumping LSD into the Sake. Only a hallucinating drunk could think this camera is a good idea. Only a company full of hallucinating drunks could think marketing this camera is a good idea. Well, although I wouldn't choose a camera by its color, some people would do. I think pentax is at aiming people who is jumping from ps to their first dslr. As ps cameras have a myriad of colors to satisfy ps consumers, it's natural to give them color options when they buy dslrs as well. -- Cassio Vogel Dorneles cassi...@gmail.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. Looks like an economical way for Pentax to increase sales Most likely aimed at those looking to make the jump to a DSLR. No one on the PDML would ever buy/use one - right? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have the same feelings. When all else is equal or seemingly so...consumers will look for way to differentiate. Somehow, I think that many 'soccer mom' types would find this attractive and would consider it when they might otherwise pass by the Pentax. These would be the same ones buying the Nikon D40 or one of the myriad of Canon Rebels (I can't keep up with all the sub models). Both of those would more likely be chosen for various reasons, but color isn't one of them. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 11:50:42 AM, you wrote: KW Sorry, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. KW Looks like an economical way for Pentax to increase sales KW Most likely aimed at those looking to make the jump to a DSLR. KW No one on the PDML would ever buy/use one - right? KW Kenneth Waller KW http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f KW - Original Message - KW From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com KW Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Jostein KW -- KW PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List KW PDML@pdml.net KW http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net KW to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/17/2008 11:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes: I have the same feelings. When all else is equal or seemingly so...consumers will look for way to differentiate. Somehow, I think that many 'soccer mom' types would find this attractive and would consider it when they might otherwise pass by the Pentax. These would be the same ones buying the Nikon D40 or one of the myriad of Canon Rebels (I can't keep up with all the sub models). Both of those would more likely be chosen for various reasons, but color isn't one of them. -- Best regards, Bruce == Cough, women aren't quite that stupid. So basically this is a stupid move on Pentax's part. (They could have spend the marketing money on something else. I'll be really surprised if it alone garners them any new sales.) Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:01 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/17/2008 11:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes: I have the same feelings. When all else is equal or seemingly so...consumers will look for way to differentiate. Somehow, I think that many 'soccer mom' types would find this attractive and would consider it when they might otherwise pass by the Pentax. These would be the same ones buying the Nikon D40 or one of the myriad of Canon Rebels (I can't keep up with all the sub models). Both of those would more likely be chosen for various reasons, but color isn't one of them. -- Best regards, Bruce == Cough, women aren't quite that stupid. So basically this is a stupid move on Pentax's part. (They could have spend the marketing money on something else. I'll be really surprised if it alone garners them any new sales.) Marnie aka Doe :-) Sales numbers of multi-coloured PS's would disagree with you Marnie. Ditto the unusual level of interest in the various coloured versions of the Panasonic G1, the first large-sensor Digital camera to be available in colours other than Silver and Black. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/17/2008 12:05:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, a...@mawz.ca writes: Sales numbers of multi-coloured PS's would disagree with you Marnie. Ditto the unusual level of interest in the various coloured versions of the Panasonic G1, the first large-sensor Digital camera to be available in colours other than Silver and Black. -- M. Adam Maas == M a y b e. PSs are different. I'd be worried that I could not be discrete with a bright white camera. I suspect others will feel the same. M :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/12/17 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: Beaker Subject: Re: White K2000 pics I'd like to see a Navy Blue Pentax. Cosina-Voightlander made a handsome navy blue Bessa rangefinder. Olive Green, Grey were also available, along with the standard silver and black. I'd like to see a 60-250mm lens. Why are they wasting their efforts on this kind of shit? Who gives a damn about whether the camera is white, black or Barbie pink? Mind your blood pressure my friend :-) How much effort do you think they have put into this? Some wise guy gets an idea one late evening. The next day he tells about it to his chief. The next day, the chief says to the people making the plastic parts: Lets make them white this time. Then the workers adds white powder instead of black powder in the production process. The day after that, the production chief goes to the marketing folks and asks them to make a press release about the Limited edition K-m. How much effort is that? MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Why is liking a different color stupid? I don't get it. Many times when I want something, if it has color I may choose one. If you want to look like a 'Professional photographer', then black is in. But I'm saying that many people could care less about looking like a pro. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:01:23 PM, you wrote: Eac In a message dated 12/17/2008 11:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Eac bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes: Eac I have the same feelings. When all else is equal or seemingly Eac so...consumers will look for way to differentiate. Somehow, I think Eac that many 'soccer mom' types would find this attractive and would Eac consider it when they might otherwise pass by the Pentax. These Eac would be the same ones buying the Nikon D40 or one of the myriad of Eac Canon Rebels (I can't keep up with all the sub models). Both of Eac those would more likely be chosen for various reasons, but color Eac isn't one of them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If it helps, this is not just a 'woman' thing. How about 'Soccer Dads'? It is merely a term for people who are more interested in other things than to become a 'Pro' photographer. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:01:23 PM, you wrote: Eac In a message dated 12/17/2008 11:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Eac bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes: Eac I have the same feelings. When all else is equal or seemingly Eac so...consumers will look for way to differentiate. Somehow, I think Eac that many 'soccer mom' types would find this attractive and would Eac consider it when they might otherwise pass by the Pentax. These Eac would be the same ones buying the Nikon D40 or one of the myriad of Eac Canon Rebels (I can't keep up with all the sub models). Both of Eac those would more likely be chosen for various reasons, but color Eac isn't one of them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's about the dumbest looking camera I've ever seen. Good thing it doesn't look real. The little details don't add up. Jostein 2008/12/16 John Celio n...@neovenator.com: Via Pentaxforums.com: 3/4 front view http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pentaxkmwhiterightfg1.jpg Top view http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pentaxkmwhitetoprp2.jpg I think it's pretty cool looking (literally and figuratively). John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry Marnie, but I think you are a few months older than the usual target segment for this white DSRL :-) You and I like discretion yes. But the younger generation definitely don't. In fact most of them have the quite opposite approach to life. They will grab anything, that makes them think it will make them stand out in the crowd. That goes for the youngsters, but also for their parents. Look at the moms clothes, they dress exactly the same as their kids, with visible bellies and all that. MaritimTim 2008/12/17 eactiv...@aol.com: In a message dated 12/17/2008 12:05:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, a...@mawz.ca writes: Sales numbers of multi-coloured PS's would disagree with you Marnie. Ditto the unusual level of interest in the various coloured versions of the Panasonic G1, the first large-sensor Digital camera to be available in colours other than Silver and Black. -- M. Adam Maas == M a y b e. PSs are different. I'd be worried that I could not be discrete with a bright white camera. I suspect others will feel the same. M :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/17/2008 12:21:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes: If it helps, this is not just a 'woman' thing. How about 'Soccer Dads'? It is merely a term for people who are more interested in other things than to become a 'Pro' photographer. -- Best regards, Bruce = Better. Much better. Marnie ;-) I just get a kick out of it. Every time Pentax seems to make a dumb move, people on this list will explain how it's really a very clever move. Heh. But I shouldn't say anything because I don't have a Pentax DSLR... - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cough, women aren't quite that stupid. So basically this is a stupid move on Pentax's part. It's not a matter of stupid or otherwise. Women tend to be more interested in colorful or bright cameras and accessories than men. I know this from two sources. First was the market research I used to be privvy to back at Reed's, and second was actual experience selling to people there. In my sales experience, women were far more interested in brightly-colored cameras and accessories than their male counterparts, sometimes to the men's chagrin. It was rare to find a woman who insisted on a black camera, whereas men frequently insisted everything be black. If I had a pile of small camera cases in various colors, for instance, a female customer would pick whatever color suited her, while a male customer would dig around for a black or darkly colored case. It was not rare for a woman to want her purchase to match her purse. The white K2000 is targeted at the biggest segment of the photography market: casual snapshooting women, particularly moms. These people don't care about being incospicuous or looking professional like us serious hobbyists and pros sometimes do. They want convenience and style. The white K2000 is very small and it looks different from every other dSLR on the market. This is enough to help Pentax make a lot more sales with minimal effort. This camera is not a stupid move, but rather a very smart move for a company that needs to expand its market share. I forsee more color variations down the line, and eventually more dSLRs from other companies will follow suit. You and I won't buy them, but a lot of other people will. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/12/17 William Robb war...@gmail.com: That's fowl. You're just chicken. It's plucking ridiculous. Sounds like the yoke's on you. Eggscuse me, but two pun threads at the same time is not allowed. we'll have to hatch new rules then This was never meant to be a free run. I'm not going to shell out for this camera, for sure. It's out of scope, and looks like a featherweight. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: I think someone is dumping LSD into the Sake. Only a hallucinating drunk could think this camera is a good idea. Only a company full of hallucinating drunks could think marketing this camera is a good idea. Well, although I wouldn't choose a camera by its color, some people would do. I think pentax is at aiming people who is jumping from ps to their first dslr. As ps cameras have a myriad of colors to satisfy ps consumers, it's natural to give them color options when they buy dslrs as well. -- Cassio Vogel Dorneles cassi...@gmail.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby Subject: Re: White K2000 pics Mind your blood pressure my friend :-) How much effort do you think they have put into this? Some wise guy gets an idea one late evening. The next day he tells about it to his chief. The next day, the chief says to the people making the plastic parts: Lets make them white this time. Then the workers adds white powder instead of black powder in the production process. The day after that, the production chief goes to the marketing folks and asks them to make a press release about the Limited edition K-m. How much effort is that? I think someone is dumping LSD into the Sake. Only a hallucinating drunk could think this camera is a good idea. Only a company full of hallucinating drunks could think marketing this camera is a good idea. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The white K2000 is targeted at the biggest segment of the photography market: casual snapshooting women, particularly moms. While it might make sense to target this market segment, I am not sure that Pentax has. The announcement said that the white DSLR would be produced in limited quantitites. That makes it sound like it is meant to be a collectors' item, like the various gold-tinted cameras that Pentax releases now and then in limited numbers. Or perhaps Pentax is using this camera for test marketing. If it sells, more will follow. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:26:31 +0100, Tim ??sleby maritim...@gmail.com escreveu: ...snip... That goes for the youngsters, but also for their parents. Look at the moms clothes, they dress exactly the same as their kids, with visible bellies and all that. ... that's not necessarily bad, depends on the belly and the degree of exposure... Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/12/17 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:26:31 +0100, Tim ??sleby maritim...@gmail.com escreveu: ...snip... That goes for the youngsters, but also for their parents. Look at the moms clothes, they dress exactly the same as their kids, with visible bellies and all that. ... that's not necessarily bad, depends on the belly and the degree of exposure... Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br :-) I was not judging, just sharing my observations. And to Marnie: I could also have used a male example. Young men tend to show their buttoms. Why? Basically because they want attention. I don't, I prefer discretion. I have no idea if this new camera look will be a hit. But may be a good idea. For the targeted audience. MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What's the issue here. This doesn't hurt anyone. It is a simple line extension which costs minimal $$$ for Pentax, and gets them a whole new round of publicity and exposure. How many of you eat Oreo cookies. Are 'double stuff' Oreo's a stupid idea? Are Oreo 'minis' a stupid idea? Lighten up folks... (Besides, I hear those Canon big white lens owners are jealous!) Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Why is liking a different color stupid? I don't get it. Many times when I want something, if it has color I may choose one. If you want to look like a 'Professional photographer', then black is in. But I'm saying that many people could care less about looking like a pro. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:01:23 PM, you wrote: Eac In a message dated 12/17/2008 11:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Eac bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes: Eac I have the same feelings. When all else is equal or seemingly Eac so...consumers will look for way to differentiate. Somehow, I think Eac that many 'soccer mom' types would find this attractive and would Eac consider it when they might otherwise pass by the Pentax. These Eac would be the same ones buying the Nikon D40 or one of the myriad of Eac Canon Rebels (I can't keep up with all the sub models). Both of Eac those would more likely be chosen for various reasons, but color Eac isn't one of them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: AlunFoto Subject: Re: White K2000 pics 2008/12/17 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: In a bag of black marbles, a white marble stands out. Sorry, I just think Pentax had lost theirs. An oh, horror; it's official: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K2000_-_White/ Wander. Blunder. Discover. Blunder? Who writes this stuff for them, Canon's PR's department? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wander. Blunder. Discover. Blunder? Who writes this stuff for them, Canon's PR's department? William Robb I'm not certan, but I believe it's the same ad agency that works for Honda -- Rubin Postaer and Associates in Santa Monica. Blunder is definitely a blunder. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Wander. Blunder. Discover. Blunder? Who writes this stuff for them, Canon's PR's department? William Robb I'm not certan, but I believe it's the same ad agency that works for Honda -- Rubin Postaer and Associates in Santa Monica. Blunder is definitely a blunder. Maybe it's supposed to be plunder and something got lost in translation?! :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The announcement said that the white DSLR would be produced in limited quantitites Isn't everything ? Just adds to the gotta buy it gene.. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: jtainter jtain...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: White K2000 pics The white K2000 is targeted at the biggest segment of the photography market: casual snapshooting women, particularly moms. While it might make sense to target this market segment, I am not sure that Pentax has. The announcement said that the white DSLR would be produced in limited quantitites. That makes it sound like it is meant to be a collectors' item, like the various gold-tinted cameras that Pentax releases now and then in limited numbers. Or perhaps Pentax is using this camera for test marketing. If it sells, more will follow. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
