Re: What to read for a PS phobic? (Was:Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2)
Thank you to you all who has helped me on this. An order is placed at amazon. Two Lightroom books and two Elements books. I also ordered Elements 5 (the program). I lost the program in a format provess. The CD should be here somewhere, but seem to have vanished into cyberspace. Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: What to read for a PS phobic? (Was:Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2) I'm prepering a shopping cart at amazon. The plan is to send it when I have the lens money in the bank. First I need something light on Elements. So I'm leaning against Scott Kelby, The Photoshop Elements 5 Book for Digital Photographers. The reviews indicates that this is light humourous reading. A light approach on the subject seems good for my PS fobia. Me and Lightroom gets along very well, but to read up on it might be productive. So there I'm debating two candidates Kelby og Evening. I could by both, but that sounds like overkill at the moment. The workflow book by Bruce Frasier has been recomended several times. The one thing that is holding me back, is that I'm a bit scared by the idea of geting Computer Program Bying Adiction by reading about the big brother in the PS family. I want to standardise on Elements for a while, and see how we gets along. The cheap part of me says I will do very well, with Lightroom as a frontend. But I'm weak against temptations. Back to Kelby's Elements book. Some reviews indicates that it is too light. Are there other better alternatives, that are not too detailed trigging my PS phobia? A search at amazon gives too many results. I'm not able to sort out what to buy from there. I can't buy them all ;-) Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2 I have two of Fraser's books. The only things wrong with them are the titles. They both refer specifically to Photoshop CS/CS2, giving the impreession that they aren't much use for Elements or earlier versions of Photoshop. I'm still using Photoshop 6 and Elements 1 and both books have changed the way I use those programs. There are parts of the books that are CS/CS2 specific but there's so much more in them of more general application. I highly recommend them (Real World Image Sharpening and Real World Camera Raw) - especially the one on sharpening. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Unitentionally I was refering to a private joke by telling you about my ONE BOOK. Rather stupid by me refering to something you couldnt posibly understand. I might as well let you in on the joke. It refered a little story about a couple of brothers who inhereted a fine book collection. They turned it down, because they had a book. Thank you Godfrey, for not giving up on me on this topic ;-) I'm selling a lens now, a dustcollector. I'm talking about 400USD, so I might turn the cash into some of the recomended reading. Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2 On May 8, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Yeah. I've heared about books ;-) I have one about Elements, Elements in a snap. Total crap, written by a computer geek. A lot details, but nothing giving me a general understanding. A lot of how's, but no why's. It's unfair to consider one book that didn't help you as being indicative of all authors' work. Bruce Fraser/David Blattner, Scott Kelby and Martin Evening have all published well-written books on using Photoshop CS2 from a photographer's perspective (several at least for Scott Kelby). Some parts are technique oriented (do this to get that result), some parts have a more 'reference'/theory perspective. Which would be best for your particular learning is hard to say. I have a couple of Scott's books, one by Martin on Lightroom, and all of Bruce Fraser's books. In particular, I find Bruce Fraser very illuminating and interesting. I don't read any of them exhaustively in a sitting, I tend to skim and look up specific things that I want more clarity on. I often look up how to do something, read a bit to get some context, and then experiment with the ideas having the book open on my desk. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman
What to read for a PS phobic? (Was:Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2)
I'm prepering a shopping cart at amazon. The plan is to send it when I have the lens money in the bank. First I need something light on Elements. So I'm leaning against Scott Kelby, The Photoshop Elements 5 Book for Digital Photographers. The reviews indicates that this is light humourous reading. A light approach on the subject seems good for my PS fobia. Me and Lightroom gets along very well, but to read up on it might be productive. So there I'm debating two candidates Kelby og Evening. I could by both, but that sounds like overkill at the moment. The workflow book by Bruce Frasier has been recomended several times. The one thing that is holding me back, is that I'm a bit scared by the idea of geting Computer Program Bying Adiction by reading about the big brother in the PS family. I want to standardise on Elements for a while, and see how we gets along. The cheap part of me says I will do very well, with Lightroom as a frontend. But I'm weak against temptations. Back to Kelby's Elements book. Some reviews indicates that it is too light. Are there other better alternatives, that are not too detailed trigging my PS phobia? A search at amazon gives too many results. I'm not able to sort out what to buy from there. I can't buy them all ;-) Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2 I have two of Fraser's books. The only things wrong with them are the titles. They both refer specifically to Photoshop CS/CS2, giving the impreession that they aren't much use for Elements or earlier versions of Photoshop. I'm still using Photoshop 6 and Elements 1 and both books have changed the way I use those programs. There are parts of the books that are CS/CS2 specific but there's so much more in them of more general application. I highly recommend them (Real World Image Sharpening and Real World Camera Raw) - especially the one on sharpening. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Unitentionally I was refering to a private joke by telling you about my ONE BOOK. Rather stupid by me refering to something you couldnt posibly understand. I might as well let you in on the joke. It refered a little story about a couple of brothers who inhereted a fine book collection. They turned it down, because they had a book. Thank you Godfrey, for not giving up on me on this topic ;-) I'm selling a lens now, a dustcollector. I'm talking about 400USD, so I might turn the cash into some of the recomended reading. Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2 On May 8, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Yeah. I've heared about books ;-) I have one about Elements, Elements in a snap. Total crap, written by a computer geek. A lot details, but nothing giving me a general understanding. A lot of how's, but no why's. It's unfair to consider one book that didn't help you as being indicative of all authors' work. Bruce Fraser/David Blattner, Scott Kelby and Martin Evening have all published well-written books on using Photoshop CS2 from a photographer's perspective (several at least for Scott Kelby). Some parts are technique oriented (do this to get that result), some parts have a more 'reference'/theory perspective. Which would be best for your particular learning is hard to say. I have a couple of Scott's books, one by Martin on Lightroom, and all of Bruce Fraser's books. In particular, I find Bruce Fraser very illuminating and interesting. I don't read any of them exhaustively in a sitting, I tend to skim and look up specific things that I want more clarity on. I often look up how to do something, read a bit to get some context, and then experiment with the ideas having the book open on my desk. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/794 - Release Date: 08.05.2007 14:23 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What to read for a PS phobic? (Was:Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2)
On May 9, 2007, at 3:49 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: First I need something light on Elements. So I'm leaning against Scott Kelby, The Photoshop Elements 5 Book for Digital Photographers. The reviews indicates that this is light humourous reading. A light approach on the subject seems good for my PS fobia. Me and Lightroom gets along very well, but to read up on it might be productive. So there I'm debating two candidates Kelby og Evening. I could by both, but that sounds like overkill at the moment. Scott's book seems a little more suited to the person starting out using Lightroom where Martin's book is more comprehensive, reference documentation grade. The workflow book by Bruce Frasier has been recomended several times. The one thing that is holding me back, is that I'm a bit scared by the idea of geting Computer Program Bying Adiction by reading about the big brother in the PS family. I want to standardise on Elements for a while, and see how we gets along. The cheap part of me says I will do very well, with Lightroom as a frontend. But I'm weak against temptations. Real World Camera Raw has a lot of relevance for anyone doing RAW conversion and any user of Camera Raw. It discusses a lot of features of Bridge and Camera Raw that are only germaine to Photoshop CS/CS2 and are not relevant to PSElements use (they're just not available), but if you're using Lightroom most of those things (and more) are accessible to you anyway albeit with a different UI and workflow basis. Back to Kelby's Elements book. Some reviews indicates that it is too light. Are there other better alternatives, that are not too detailed trigging my PS phobia? A search at amazon gives too many results. I'm not able to sort out what to buy from there. I can't buy them all ;-) Scott tends to write with a folksy, humorous approach in his language. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it grates on me a little bit. Overall he provides good, useful information. I haven't read his books on PSE specifically. Given Lightroom as the basis of your photo work, what you want to use PSE for is the higher level, selective RGB editing features that are not available in Lightroom rather than overall workflow and basics. Look for books that show techniques to accomplish specific editing tasks beyond the level of across-the-board, whole image editing features. Scott's The Photoshop CS Book for Digital Photographers is like that: a bunch of useful techniques for specific editing situations. David Blattner/Bruce Fraser's Real World Photoshop CS2 is like that too, although more comprehensive, and might prove suitable as well. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What to read for a PS phobic? (Was:Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2)
Tim - Take a look at The Hidden Power of Photoshop Elements, by Richard Lynch. It's a pretty good Elements primer and includes a CD with additional tools that he has developed. It's available in print for Elements v3 and v4 from Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/2gjwl2 The update for v5 is not quite ready yet and will be only available electronically. You can check all the versions out in depth here... http://tinyurl.com/2b4er2 -p Tim Øsleby wrote: I'm prepering a shopping cart at amazon. The plan is to send it when I have the lens money in the bank. First I need something light on Elements. So I'm leaning against Scott Kelby, The Photoshop Elements 5 Book for Digital Photographers. The reviews indicates that this is light humourous reading. A light approach on the subject seems good for my PS fobia. Me and Lightroom gets along very well, but to read up on it might be productive. So there I'm debating two candidates Kelby og Evening. I could by both, but that sounds like overkill at the moment. The workflow book by Bruce Frasier has been recomended several times. The one thing that is holding me back, is that I'm a bit scared by the idea of geting Computer Program Bying Adiction by reading about the big brother in the PS family. I want to standardise on Elements for a while, and see how we gets along. The cheap part of me says I will do very well, with Lightroom as a frontend. But I'm weak against temptations. Back to Kelby's Elements book. Some reviews indicates that it is too light. Are there other better alternatives, that are not too detailed trigging my PS phobia? A search at amazon gives too many results. I'm not able to sort out what to buy from there. I can't buy them all ;-) Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2 I have two of Fraser's books. The only things wrong with them are the titles. They both refer specifically to Photoshop CS/CS2, giving the impreession that they aren't much use for Elements or earlier versions of Photoshop. I'm still using Photoshop 6 and Elements 1 and both books have changed the way I use those programs. There are parts of the books that are CS/CS2 specific but there's so much more in them of more general application. I highly recommend them (Real World Image Sharpening and Real World Camera Raw) - especially the one on sharpening. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Unitentionally I was refering to a private joke by telling you about my ONE BOOK. Rather stupid by me refering to something you couldnt posibly understand. I might as well let you in on the joke. It refered a little story about a couple of brothers who inhereted a fine book collection. They turned it down, because they had a book. Thank you Godfrey, for not giving up on me on this topic ;-) I'm selling a lens now, a dustcollector. I'm talking about 400USD, so I might turn the cash into some of the recomended reading. Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2 On May 8, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Yeah. I've heared about books ;-) I have one about Elements, Elements in a snap. Total crap, written by a computer geek. A lot details, but nothing giving me a general understanding. A lot of how's, but no why's. It's unfair to consider one book that didn't help you as being indicative of all authors' work. Bruce Fraser/David Blattner, Scott Kelby and Martin Evening have all published well-written books on using Photoshop CS2 from a photographer's perspective (several at least for Scott Kelby). Some parts are technique oriented (do this to get that result), some parts have a more 'reference'/theory perspective. Which would be best for your particular learning is hard to say. I have a couple of Scott's books, one by Martin on Lightroom, and all of Bruce Fraser's books. In particular, I find Bruce Fraser very illuminating and interesting. I don't read any of them exhaustively in a sitting, I tend to skim and look up specific things that I want more clarity on. I often look up how to do something, read a bit to get some context, and then experiment with the ideas having the book open on my desk. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: What to read for a PS phobic? (Was:Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2)
In a message dated 5/9/2007 3:57:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Back to Kelby's Elements book. Some reviews indicates that it is too light. Are there other better alternatives, that are not too detailed trigging my PS phobia? A search at amazon gives too many results. I'm not able to sort out what to buy from there. I can't buy them all ;-) Tim Typo Mostly Harmless == http://tinyurl.com/ytnfrt Photoshop CS (or CS2) One on One by Deke McCelland I have found an excellent book. It takes things in easy stages with a lesson format. Each chapter has about 2-4 exercises. It also comes with a disk that has little videos, about five minutes each, that give the first stage of each lesson. The disk also has the sample files/pictures necessary for doing each exercise. I find books with a lesson format are good for learning programs I am unfamiliar with. If you read the reviews, I guess some people find it too dumbed down. I think it is just about right. I am half way through CS One on One and so far have only encountered one lesson that I couldn't quite duplicate what he did. It's about as close as you can get to taking a class. Some people are better at experiential learning, I know I am. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What to read for a PS phobic? (Was:Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2)
P.S. Sorry, guess each video that accompanies each lesson is ten minutes (rereading reviews), not five minutes. And it was only one exercise, not one lesson where I couldn't quite duplicate what he does. There are lots of photos that show what should be happening at each stage of editing a photo a particular way that I found very helpful. Marnie aka Doe ;-) Even though I am very familiar with editing software (Paintshop Pro, Elements), I was still a bit PS phobic myself. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What to read for a PS phobic? (Was:Re: PESO - Heavy Weather 2)
Oh, I didn't read what you said carefully enough. I used Elements Classroom in a Book to learn Elements 3. I haven't needed much book learning for later versions of Elements. So I can't vouch for the Elements 5 version http://tinyurl.com/3xs6ad I found the Elements 3 version almost too simple/dumbed down for me after knowing Paintshop Pro, so it might be just right for you. (I don't mean anything by that except your inexperience. :-)) This series is definitely not as good as Deke McCelland's PS books, but it is a pretty easy way to learn the basics of Elements. HTH, Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
