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From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/15 Mon AM 05:09:42 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: Winder ME, anyone? Books are the one thing, thats sells the most over the computer... Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt There's at least one thing that sells more. m -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 14. august 2005 19:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Winder ME, anyone? - Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed Subject: Re: Winder ME, anyone? I have a reverse story -- one day I happened to be looking through my recommendations list from Amazon and there was a book I'd never heard of, but it looked really, really interesting. I happened to be passing by Barnes Noble an hour or so later, went in to check their price and if they had it and all that, and there it was, sitting just on the corner of a shelf where my eye caught it as I walked in. One sale for BN, compliments of Amazon's sales practices!! Impatience will still help the brick mortar stores somewhat, I think. Maybe, but more likely not. Most places now, the only book shops are large chains such as Chapters or BN. The small players are already forced out. We've already witnessed it happen with camera stores, it'll happen soon enough with bookstores. William Robb - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Winder ME, anyone? Books are the one thing, thats sells the most over the computer... Pornography is the number one seller over the internet. William Robb
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From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/15 Mon PM 01:38:36 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Winder ME, anyone? - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Winder ME, anyone? Books are the one thing, thats sells the most over the computer... Pornography is the number one seller over the internet. William Robb That was my original thought; music will be in the top three, also. m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Winder ME, anyone? Books are the one thing, thats sells the most over the computer... Pornography is the number one seller over the internet. they don't sell pornography in books any more?
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E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Winder ME, anyone? Books are the one thing, thats sells the most over the computer... Pornography is the number one seller over the internet. they don't sell pornography in books any more? I dunno. Ask Cotty. :) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Which I think is amazing considering how much of it is available for free... William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Winder ME, anyone? Books are the one thing, thats sells the most over the computer... Pornography is the number one seller over the internet. William Robb -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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- Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed Subject: Re: Winder ME, anyone? they don't sell pornography in books any more? Streaming video is the hot ticket now. Books are so last century. My ex computer builder is of the opinion that the entire reason the internet is getting faster at such a breakneck pace is to keep up with the demand for high end video pornography. William Robb
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Streaming video is the hot ticket now. Streaming, or spurting? Books are so last century. My ex computer builder is of the opinion that the entire reason the internet is getting faster at such a breakneck pace is to keep up with the demand for high end video pornography. Apparently a lot of the big technical advances have been funded by the pornocrats. Bob
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On 15/8/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: they don't sell pornography in books any more? I dunno. Ask Cotty. :) Actually I have a very funny tale to tell you. The other day we were doing a story about fuel prices approaching the dizzying heights of one pound a litre for pump petrol. We had to do some voxers (vox pops - accosting members of the public - whoever they are- at random and asking their opinion on tape) in a car park. It was a major services area (freeway rest area) and the female reporter and i strolled about for ten minutes asking motorists as they pulled up and stepped out of their cars for their reaction to news of ever-increasing fuel costs etc etc. One car pulled into a space over by the trees and we sauntered over. The window was down a few inches and so the hack shoved the mic through the opening and said excuse me sir, ITV news, we're asking people about their reaction to petrol prices reaching nearly a pound a litre - can we interrupt you...? The man's face on the other side looked pretty horrified, and slowly shook his head 'no'. As is natural in these instances, we said 'thanks' and walked away. Only after the reporter broke into a sustained giggle did I find out what she had seen. The poor wretch had a copy of 'Big Ones' or some such on the passenger seat, and slid it under a paper bag, but not before the reporter (who precedes me on approach to the vox pop prey) had seen it. There you are, on a long journey, and you fancy a quick stopover with your favourite copy of 'Big Ones', fresh off the news-stand, you pull in and find a secluded spot away from prying eyes, you switch the engine off and pull your prized periodical from its bag..and suddenly a TV camera is shoved in your face with some bimbo asking you about petrol prices. If you wrote this into a comedy script, people would say 'nh it's too obvious, it wouldn't happen like that' Now one of my favourite stories :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: Winder ME, anyone? Streaming video is the hot ticket now. Streaming, or spurting? I suppose that depends on if the data packets crash or not. WW
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On 13/8/05, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm in the street in SF, in a flea market. Someone has an ME winder, in the box, for $6. If anyone's interested, send me an email within 10-15', and I'll grab it for you. I thought I was bad enough connecting up now and then in my Land Rover for a gander - you're on the street? Don't tell me, you can get a hotspot on the back of your *ist D ?? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 8/14/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I was bad enough connecting up now and then in my Land Rover for a gander - you're on the street? Don't tell me, you can get a hotspot on the back of your *ist D ?? Yep, the latest firmware update runs Firefox... the keyboard sucks though :) I had the Powerbook in my bag, and stopped to eat a hotdog in the park, so I checked for an open signal just in case anyone cared for the winder. Nobody answered, btw. j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
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On Aug 14, 2005, at 12:39 AM, Cotty wrote: I thought I was bad enough connecting up now and then in my Land Rover for a gander - you're on the street? Don't tell me, you can get a hotspot on the back of your *ist D ?? I have logged into Amazon and checked a book price or two while in a local bookstore with my phone... Embarassing, eh? but I hate to pay $40 for a book I can get for $25 by waiting two days. ;-) Godfrey
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Back in 2001, I was in San Luis Obispo during a weekend drive along the coast. In a photo store there, I found a K85/1.8 for I think $180 and a K30/2.8 for $99. I don't remember the prices exactly, but they turned out to be a bargain. I wasn't familiar with those lenses, so I went to the local library, logged in to the pdml archives, and found that they were indeed hard to find. I'll be forever grateful to the pdml for that :) j On 8/14/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 12:39 AM, Cotty wrote: I thought I was bad enough connecting up now and then in my Land Rover for a gander - you're on the street? Don't tell me, you can get a hotspot on the back of your *ist D ?? I have logged into Amazon and checked a book price or two while in a local bookstore with my phone... Embarassing, eh? but I hate to pay $40 for a book I can get for $25 by waiting two days. ;-) Godfrey -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
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-Original Message- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have logged into Amazon and checked a book price or two while in a local bookstore with my phone... Embarassing, eh? but I hate to pay $40 for a book I can get for $25 by waiting two days. ;-) That's why there'll be no more bricks mortar bookstores in a few years. Amazon will charge whatever they want, and we will have lost the pleasure of browsing for books. You won't be able to talk to knowledgable staff about the books. The town centres will become dustbowls and the unemployment rate will keep on rising. There'll be fighting in the streets, with our children at our feet... Well, perhaps not that bad. But what you're doing is what happened to all the little photo shops, and so many other small shops. It all contributes to the break-up of local communities and a fall in the quality of the goods and the quality of living. I've bought an awful lot from Amazon over the years, but almost only when I haven't been able to get the book locally (which includes the West End of London). Support your local shops. Bob
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On Aug 14, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Bob W wrote: That's why there'll be no more bricks mortar bookstores in a few years. Amazon will charge whatever they want, and we will have lost the pleasure of browsing for books. You won't be able to talk to knowledgable staff about the books. The town centres will become dustbowls and the unemployment rate will keep on rising. There'll be fighting in the streets, with our children at our feet... Well, perhaps not that bad. But what you're doing is what happened to all the little photo shops, and so many other small shops. It all contributes to the break-up of local communities and a fall in the quality of the goods and the quality of living. I've bought an awful lot from Amazon over the years, but almost only when I haven't been able to get the book locally (which includes the West End of London). Support your local shops. All the good bookstores near me are either big chains (Barnes Noble or Borders Books) already, with the exception of the four used bookstores and two small bookshops which I frequent and buy from quite often. Since BN and BB are on the same order of commercial scale in business as Amazon.com, what the heck? Why pay a 40% added markup to BN when Amazon has the same thing? Camera shops ... The two good ones nearby I frequent often, and they usually offer prices quite close to what I can buy from BH Photo, and I buy locally whenever it's sensible to. All the little older Mom Pa shops ... well, Mom and Pa already retired and nobody picked up the business. Not much choice there. The world has changed. Godfrey
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- Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed Subject: Re: Winder ME, anyone? I have a reverse story -- one day I happened to be looking through my recommendations list from Amazon and there was a book I'd never heard of, but it looked really, really interesting. I happened to be passing by Barnes Noble an hour or so later, went in to check their price and if they had it and all that, and there it was, sitting just on the corner of a shelf where my eye caught it as I walked in. One sale for BN, compliments of Amazon's sales practices!! Impatience will still help the brick mortar stores somewhat, I think. Maybe, but more likely not. Most places now, the only book shops are large chains such as Chapters or BN. The small players are already forced out. We've already witnessed it happen with camera stores, it'll happen soon enough with bookstores. William Robb
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Bob W wrote: That's why there'll be no more bricks mortar bookstores in a few years. Amazon will charge whatever they want, and we will have lost the pleasure of browsing for books. You won't be able to talk to knowledgable staff about the books. The town centres will become dustbowls and the unemployment rate will keep on rising. There'll be fighting in the streets, with our children at our feet... Well, perhaps not that bad. But what you're doing is what happened to all the little photo shops, and so many other small shops. It all contributes to the break-up of local communities and a fall in the quality of the goods and the quality of living. I've bought an awful lot from Amazon over the years, but almost only when I haven't been able to get the book locally (which includes the West End of London). Support your local shops. All the good bookstores near me are either big chains (Barnes Noble or Borders Books) already, with the exception of the four used bookstores and two small bookshops which I frequent and buy from quite often. Since BN and BB are on the same order of commercial scale in business as Amazon.com, what the heck? Why pay a 40% added markup to BN when Amazon has the same thing? Camera shops ... The two good ones nearby I frequent often, and they usually offer prices quite close to what I can buy from BH Photo, and I buy locally whenever it's sensible to. All the little older Mom Pa shops ... well, Mom and Pa already retired and nobody picked up the business. Not much choice there. The world has changed. Godfrey The biggest camera store in my city can't be bothered to carry Pentax any more, and the other one has only the low-end bodies. (We also have some Ritzwolves around but they are, as far as I can tell, small electronics stores that carry a few cameras.) I bought, or my husband bought for me, five Pentax cameras from the big store in the past eleven years. There's not much more we, personally, could have done to encourage them. So now my choices for Pentax gear are: buy sight unseen mail-order or take a half-day to drive to Austin to find a decent, Pentax-carrying camera store (which I did for both my Optio and *istD.)
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But even if all the local bookstores are parts of chains, there is still a good argument for buying from them rather from Amazon when you have the chance. And that is that it keeps a lot of the money local, in the wages of the staff, brings in ancillary work, such as cleaning, from the local area, keeps another shop open on a high street, means you can talk to often knowledgeable people, and means that you are actually dealing with people. All is not doom, of course. There has been a boom in book-buying in recent years, and Amazon has helped to fuel it as well as doing a lot of other good things. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 August 2005 18:57 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Winder ME, anyone? - Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed Subject: Re: Winder ME, anyone? I have a reverse story -- one day I happened to be looking through my recommendations list from Amazon and there was a book I'd never heard of, but it looked really, really interesting. I happened to be passing by Barnes Noble an hour or so later, went in to check their price and if they had it and all that, and there it was, sitting just on the corner of a shelf where my eye caught it as I walked in. One sale for BN, compliments of Amazon's sales practices!! Impatience will still help the brick mortar stores somewhat, I think. Maybe, but more likely not. Most places now, the only book shops are large chains such as Chapters or BN. The small players are already forced out. We've already witnessed it happen with camera stores, it'll happen soon enough with bookstores. William Robb
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote further down: Bob W wrote directly below: That's why there'll be no more bricks mortar bookstores in a few years. Amazon will charge whatever they want, and we will have lost the pleasure of browsing for books. You won't be able to talk to knowledgable staff about the books. The town centres will become dustbowls and the unemployment rate will keep on rising. There'll be fighting in the streets, with our children at our feet... Well, perhaps not that bad. But what you're doing is what happened to all the little photo shops, and so many other small shops. It all contributes to the break-up of local communities and a fall in the quality of the goods and the quality of living. I've bought an awful lot from Amazon over the years, but almost only when I haven't been able to get the book locally (which includes the West End of London). Support your local shops. All the good bookstores near me are either big chains (Barnes Noble or Borders Books) already, with the exception of the four used bookstores and two small bookshops which I frequent and buy from quite often. Since BN and BB are on the same order of commercial scale in business as Amazon.com, what the heck? Why pay a 40% added markup to BN when Amazon has the same thing? Camera shops ... The two good ones nearby I frequent often, and they usually offer prices quite close to what I can buy from BH Photo, and I buy locally whenever it's sensible to. All the little older Mom Pa shops ... well, Mom and Pa already retired and nobody picked up the business. Not much choice there. The world has changed. I've been a great believer in using local shops. Our Borough gives lip service to being committed to local shops but the actions it has taken over the past decade have changed the high street permanently. I have always been happy to pay a little extra for someone local for the convenience and customer service, which includes staff knowing what you are interested in and letting you know of something new or second hand as it comes up. However, apart from the changes in competition with Supermarkets forever increasing the range of the merchandise with the benefit of all in one shop, draconian parking measures on the high street have killed passing trade with wardens ready to pounce the moment you have stopped; locally parking is paid for by pre-paid 'scratch off' vouchers, so unless you have some, you could well receive an expensive ticket whilst you are buying some vouchers! It's great easy money for the Council - but it's killed trade. I have recorded this demise over the years on film, from a busy shop for every need to a wasteland of restaurants and take-away food outlets, which rely on foot trade through the day and passing cars outside of restriction hours. Those shops which are surviving are having to stock other items or try to cram as much into the shelves as possible - often with fewer staff - and the customer service which separated them from the big shops has taken a dive as they don't have the time they used to have. A level playing field it is not and I know that, but my trade is starting to go elsewhere when the one selling point of service is the same as a big shop but ends up costing me more. My generation wants everything now - from digital images, to shopping for the whole weeks shopping under one roof, with the car right outside. Little shops are another casualty of change in society. Malcolm
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Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've bought an awful lot from Amazon over the years, but almost only when I haven't been able to get the book locally (which includes the West End of London). Support your local shops. I have never bought anything from Amazon. Ever. (Sometimes I buy from Powells.com when I can't find something locally, but they are a real bricks and mortar bookstore.) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most places now, the only book shops are large chains such as Chapters or BN. The small players are already forced out. We've already witnessed it happen with camera stores, it'll happen soon enough with bookstores. Ah Bill, I wish you'd had a chance to visit the Squirrel Hill Fotoshop here in Pittsburgh before it went out of business in May :( -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Maybe, but more likely not. Most places now, the only book shops are large chains such as Chapters or BN. The small players are already forced out. We've already witnessed it happen with camera stores, it'll happen soon enough with bookstores. William Robb I think you are right. However, I must admit that I enjoy my hours spent in the big bookstores like Borders. Here in Indianapolis, the Half Price Books chain also does rather well, but it lacks the amenities found at Borders or BN. Both the aforementioned have caused our local libraries to become more user friendly - a needed change. Lewis _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
RE: Winder ME, anyone?
Books are the one thing, thats sells the most over the computer... Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 14. august 2005 19:57 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Winder ME, anyone? - Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed Subject: Re: Winder ME, anyone? I have a reverse story -- one day I happened to be looking through my recommendations list from Amazon and there was a book I'd never heard of, but it looked really, really interesting. I happened to be passing by Barnes Noble an hour or so later, went in to check their price and if they had it and all that, and there it was, sitting just on the corner of a shelf where my eye caught it as I walked in. One sale for BN, compliments of Amazon's sales practices!! Impatience will still help the brick mortar stores somewhat, I think. Maybe, but more likely not. Most places now, the only book shops are large chains such as Chapters or BN. The small players are already forced out. We've already witnessed it happen with camera stores, it'll happen soon enough with bookstores. William Robb
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This one time, at band camp, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Books are the one thing, thats sells the most over the computer... I missed the beginning of this topic, is somebody looking for an ME Winder? I have one here doing nothing. Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Winder ME, anyone?
Hi all, I'm in the street in SF, in a flea market. Someone has an ME winder, in the box, for $6. If anyone's interested, send me an email within 10-15', and I'll grab it for you. Cheers, j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
