Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Morning Fern, oops! sorry that'll teach me not to jump the whole thread straight into the bit *i* can asnwer :-) so blooming early in the day. Ha, been there, done that, got embarrassed! i just use it to back up my ql disks and didn't think beyond that No worries. And the tool kit I mentioned was qltools by Jonathan Hudson (URL: http://www.zen35309.zen.co.uk/qdos/#qxltool) and it doesn't compile on a modern version of Linux. Well, on OpenSuse 11.4 to be precise. I've fixed it and made it compile, but I don't have a working floppy image on my laptop to test it with. Sigh. Would you mind zipping up an image and emailing it to me directly please so I can test the fixes? If you have something suitable. Thanks. norman (at) dunbar-it (dot) co (dot) uk. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
John in Wales wrote: . chances are Dilwyn that your W7 recovery software will be (or will offer an option of - if you're lucky) the W7 32bit version. If push comes to shove... and you should get all 'unhappy' again, start once more with that! Not really, I quite like this new system. QL2K was the only one I had problems with, but given that I got it working without knowing how, it's probably fair to assume I did something wrong initially which I later corrected without realising it. Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 (Norman Dunbar)
Morning Fern, most unices come with dd, which can be used to generate raw media images. I know. :-) But the image itself then cannot be read unless you have a QDOS Filesystem driver installed either as a module or as a fuser system. It's easy enough to duplicate a QDOS floppy using dd to an image. But you can't do anything with the image unless you have tools that can read it. It would be nice(r) to be able to mount the image as a floppy disc (using loop device) and then access it as a floppy. That's the state I'm attempting (when time permits) to get to. At the moment, the image can be read by the ctools utility - at least, I think that's the correct name. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
. chances are Dilwyn that your W7 recovery software will be (or will offer an option of - if you're lucky) the W7 32bit version. If push comes to shove... and you should get all 'unhappy' again, start once more with that! ATB. John in Wales ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
hi norman -- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:00:58 +0100 From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk Morning Fern, most unices come with dd, which can be used to generate raw media images. I know. :-) But the image itself then cannot be read unless you have a QDOS Filesystem driver installed either as a module or as a fuser system. ... It would be nice(r) to be able to mount the image as a floppy disc (using loop device) and then access it as a floppy. That's the state I'm attempting (when time permits) to get to. At the moment, the image can be read by the ctools utility - at least, I think that's the correct name. oops! sorry that'll teach me not to jump the whole thread straight into the bit *i* can asnwer :-) so blooming early in the day. i just use it to back up my ql disks and didn't think beyond that ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Hi Dilwyn, Can you check out QL2K.log and send it me by email. You may prefer using private email for that. I'm using this 64 Bits versions very often without any issues on Vista and 7. This 64 bits should be installed in the regular Program Files but I haven't took the time to rewrite the installer. But be sure that the executable works correctly in any directory as the important settings are only stored in QL2K.INI. Jimmy. -Message d'origine- De : ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Rich Mellor Envoyé : mardi 23 août 2011 01:37 À : ql-us...@q-v-d.com Objet : Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 On 22/08/2011 23:31, Dilwyn Jones wrote: On 22/08/2011 20:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I am having some problems getting QL2K build 101 to work on Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the full build, then added the update files for each version until the most recent. I have installed the 64-bit Windows version QL2K-x64.exe and when I try to run this I get a brief flash of the round egg-timer icon then nothing, no error, no nothing. It just fails to start. I can of course get the 32-bit version to work on Windows XP OK. I also got QPC2 and Q-emuLator working OK on both systems of course. Anyone with any experience of installing the 64-bit version with any handy hints and tips for the installation? Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC) Hi Dilwyn, Just a thought, but where is it installed? It should be in c\Program Files (x86)\q-emulator c\Program Files is for 64 bit executables. Err, it's the QL2K-x64.exe in a folder called Jadiam.org\QL2K It was in c:\program files(x86)\jadiam.org\QL2K but I have tried it in both. Neither 32 bit nor 64 bit versions will start from either folder. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Drat - QL2K (not q-emulator!) QL2K works on my system from the standard C:\Program Files\QL2K folder -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services Specialist Enuuk Auction Programming Services www.rwapservices.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Morning all,
Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC)
Oh oh! You thought 32 bit Windows was trouble, welcome to your worst
nightmare! :-(
It should be in c\Program Files (x86)\q-emulator
As Rich points out, Windows 7 decided that all 32 bit applications
should live in a folder structure that prevents (most/some) of them from
working because there are invalid characters in the path name - a lot
of applications really don't like the '(' and ')' characters in the path
name. backwards compatibility my arse!
I've got a few programs at work that are 32 bit and completely fail to
run under Windows 7 at all. Even from the so called 32 bit compatibility
side of things. We've had to install the huge Windows 32 bit emulator
with a version of XP running in it to get these to work. Sigh.
c\Program Files is for 64 bit executables.
Indeed it is. And only for 64 bit executables. Don't even thing about
trying to begin to consider attempting to try and put anything non-64
bit in here, or Bill Gates will come out of retirement and hunt you
down! ;-)
And another thing, if your application attempts to write to files in
it's own folder beneath c:\program files or c:\program files (x86) then
you MUST have administrator rights or it simply fails.
All application files, ini files etc MUST now be stored under the
c:\documents and settings\your name (or whatever it is called this
week!) This is something that MS started to do under Vista and they have
continued the hardship into Windows 7.
It's a right PITA for people/developers selling application that need to
store their own config etc files and now, MS prevents you from doing so.
They must be stored in what MS refer to as your local profile.
Alternatively, you can turn off User Account Control (UAC) in Windows
and your problems will magically go away. In case you are wondering
UAC is that bloody irritating thing that pops up, every time you try to
do something, and asks you:
* Are you sure you want to do this?
* Are you really sure?
* How sure are you really?
* Have you got a note from your parents to allow yo to do this?
* Are you sure you have a note?
* Etc etc etc
If you have Vista, or Windows 7, you'll most likely have met UAC. How to
turn it off?
Vista: URL: http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm
Win7: URL: http://www.petri.co.il/disable-uac-in-windows-7.htm
I'm sure the above will work fine. I have not tried it as I simply don't
use Vista or Windows 7. I did try Win7 as it came on my laptop. Never again!
My advice to Dilwyn is simple, if you ever want to stop effing about
with Windows and having to rebuild your PC from the bits that survived a
heave out of the nearest (open I hope) window, install Linux. I
thoroughly advice Linux Mint 11 as it still uses Gnome 2. Ubuntu - much
favoured by many - has gone over to Gnome 3 which is bloody awful.
(Other opinions are available - but they are wrong!)
Linux Mint 11 have everything you need to listen to music, watch DVDs
etc. And run QPC. However, there are two things I've found it can't do:
* Access floppy discs from within QPC. A tad irritating I admit, but as
I don't have a floppy on my laptop, not too big a problem!
* Play Blue Ray DVDs. Apparently the encryption used on these (to
prevent you playing something you own when you go away for a few nights,
for example) is such that bypassing it is a tad (a) difficult and (b)
set's you up to be prosecuted.
I converted a friend of my wife to Linux Mint 9 some time back and she
swears by it now. No more long long startup times etc for her.
Ok, I'll stop ranting now! ;-)
Cheers,
Norm.
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
On 22/08/2011 20:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I am having some problems getting QL2K build 101 to work on Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the full build, then added the update files for each version until the most recent. I have installed the 64-bit Windows version QL2K-x64.exe and when I try to run this I get a brief flash of the round egg-timer icon then nothing, no error, no nothing. It just fails to start. I can of course get the 32-bit version to work on Windows XP OK. I also got QPC2 and Q-emuLator working OK on both systems of course. Anyone with any experience of installing the 64-bit version with any handy hints and tips for the installation? Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Hi Dilwyn, Welcome to the worst Windows ever!!! I spend at least 2 weeks with a large sledge hammer beating Windows 7 64-bit into submission. Finally it yielded and started looking and performing like XP. Turning off UAC is an essential first step. I found some 32 bit programs have to be installed in 'Program Files' to work correctly. Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Norm wrote: a windows 7 rant Agreed! With bells on! My advice to Dilwyn is simple, if you ever want to stop effing about with Windows and having to rebuild your PC from the bits that survived a heave out of the nearest (open I hope) window, install Linux. I thoroughly advice Linux Mint 11 as it still uses Gnome 2. Ubuntu - much favoured by many - has gone over to Gnome 3 which is bloody awful. (Other opinions are available - but they are wrong!) You can switch Ubuntu back to ye olde view at the login screen, I've done that on my boxen and all appears well. Linux Mint 11 have everything you need to listen to music, watch DVDs etc. And run QPC. However, there are two things I've found it can't do: * Access floppy discs from within QPC. A tad irritating I admit, but as I don't have a floppy on my laptop, not too big a problem! * Play Blue Ray DVDs. Apparently the encryption used on these (to prevent you playing something you own when you go away for a few nights, for example) is such that bypassing it is a tad (a) difficult and (b) set's you up to be prosecuted. If your machine is powerful enough, you should be able to run a Windows virtual machine inside your Linux box; I don't know whether that would give you floppy access or not, or indeed bluray playing abilities; but it might be a solution to the problem at hand (ironic: having to run an emulator in an emulator). VirtualBox is a freely downloadable VM system (apt-gettable), also VMWare's VM Player is free for non-commercial use. Natch, you need an old XP licence (or a Win 7 Pro licence, which allows you to downgrade to XP). Cheers, Ade. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Many of these problems with older XP-era apps can be traced to permissions. Try assigning full permissions to the folder in which you install the program and you _may_ find that all your difficulties go away. As for the utterly absurd decision to implement a 32 bit program folder called Program Files (X86) ... I can only wonder at the kind of twisted mind that dreamed such a thing up. ;) Adrian www.memorylanecomputing.com -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-bounces@lists.q-v- d.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Lear Sent: 23 August 2011 10:53 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 Welcome to the worst Windows ever!!! I spend at least 2 weeks with a large sledge hammer beating Windows 7 64-bit into submission. Finally it yielded and started looking and performing like XP. Turning off UAC is an essential first step. I found some 32 bit programs have to be installed in 'Program Files' to work correctly. Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Hi Dilwyn, On 23/08/11 13:07, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I have got it to run now in one-off mode. Ensure your user account is Administrator. Oh dear! Ensure your account has admin rights then open an HTML email. Oops, it had a payload and now your user is letting some scumbag run your PC as a zombie! You *never* run with admin rights, except when doing admin stuff. This is what Roy Wood absolutely hated about Linux - why have a root user as well as my own when it's my PC? The answer is security - and Windows has none. Or, at best, very little. Even at version 7. Right click on the QL2K.EXE or QL2K-x64.EXE file, it says the file originated on another computer (or some message like that) and it is BLOCKED. Click on UNBLOCK, it will now run. But next time you start the program, it is BLOCKED again. Yes, this is UAC at its finest. Turn it off. And don't run your account as an administrator. If you are logged in as you and need to do admin things, right-click and run as administrator, but never login to an admin session, unless you have absolutely no choice. Someone kindly sent me a known working version from their 64-bit Program Files folder. I tried this and got exactly the same results, so there is definitely a setting on this machine that ensures the program is BLOCKED. I have run a virus check on it, nothing detected. No, it's Windows! ;-) Turn off UAC. People like Norman might expect a rant from me about Windows 7, but don't fall off your Linux box, Norman, I am going to make an earth shattering announcement: _*I like Windows 7*_. [Distant sound of a crash from the Dunbar IT office] Not really! I know lots of people who like Windows 7, when you compare it with Vista it has everything going for it. When you compare it with Linux, it's old hat! Already! Yes, it will take me a while to get used to the differences (e.g. the START menu), but this computer is so much more stable and crash-free than the old XP PC. I agree, Windows 7 is much better than XP. (Sound of crash from the Dilwyn office there?) ;-) ... If I find a definitive answer (e.g. Jimmy has ideas on what happened) I'll make sure I document it somewhere for everyone's benefit. Turn off UAC! ;-) Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
If you are logged in as you and need to do admin things, right-click and run as administrator, but never login to an admin session, unless you have absolutely no choice. Well, OK, I'll give it a go. Right now I am installing programs etc. to get this PC to a comparable level to the 1TB or so of stuff I had on the old one. I can see that turning off UAC would benefit in some ways, although I don't mind being asked every time I start a program if it makes my computing safer when something tries to write to somewhere it shouldn't. Not really! I know lots of people who like Windows 7, when you compare it with Vista it has everything going for it. I agree with you there - Vista on my son's laptop is a pain the nether regions. Even to him, brought up on Vista. When you compare it with Linux, it's old hat! Already! That I don't doubt, although the comment simply makes you sound like the anything but what I use is bad and NIMBY brigade. I agree, Windows 7 is much better than XP. (Sound of crash from the Dilwyn office there?) ;-) C-R-A-S-H...ouch! Norman agreed with me on something?!?!?! ;-) ... If I find a definitive answer (e.g. Jimmy has ideas on what happened) I'll make sure I document it somewhere for everyone's benefit. Turn off UAC! ;-) OK. Will do, but when I have time to do it at my own speed and (low) confidence levels in what looks to me (as an inexperienced Win7 user) as something I have to do right or face the consequences of tinkering with things I shouldn't. BTW, back to topic, amid all the winding up of Norman, I somehow got QL2K working. Worst part is I don't know what I did, as it happened at a step when I made 3 changes so I don't know which of them got it going. Really strange, I'd understand it if Windows or QL2K gave an error message when QL2K failed to start. But nothing. It asked for permissions etc, a few seconds of the circular egg timer then nothing! I have now got both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions running in their respective folders. Normally a daft thing to do I suppose, as I'll have to duplicate copying things into both, but at least I can run both and test software on both. UAC still queries when it starts of course (I expect it's because QL2K writes its log file in the Program Files folder as it starts.) But the mysterious non-appearance of the program has stopped for some reason. Probably until the next time I reset the PC. Jimmy Montesinos has asked me to zip up the content of the QL2K folder and offered to take a look to see if I've somehow installed it wrong or something. But first I need to download a 7-zip or something. To be fair, QL2K is the only program so far I've had these problems with, and it ain't a program I'll be using regularly. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Another quick update : I give another try to copy QL2K program outside regular places like Program Files or Program Files (x86) (in eg : C:\Jadiam.org\QL2K ) And I just have to verify file rights and I haven't got to use Administrative Rights anymore. Please be sure that you got windows sound drivers installed properly. Cheers, Jimmy. -Message d'origine- De : ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Norman Dunbar Envoyé : mardi 23 août 2011 16:12 À : ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Objet : Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 Hi Dilwyn, Well, OK, I'll give it a go. Right now I am installing programs etc. to get this PC to a comparable level to the 1TB or so of stuff I had on the old one. Only 1TB? Surely you must have more than that! ;-) ... ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Only 1TB? Surely you must have more than that! ;-) Yes! Only 1TB on the old PC itself in its internal drives. My calculator gives an overflow error when I try to work out the grand total including everything else ;-) I can see that turning off UAC would benefit in some ways, although I don't mind being asked every time I start a program if it makes my computing safer when something tries to write to somewhere it shouldn't. Which will probably be every 32 bit application you use! You will get fed up of it. OK, that part I understand - decision deferred until I feel more confident. If you want to use Windows, feel free and just ignore my ramblings. :-) :-) When I say old hat - I laughed at all the (expensive?) adverts for Windows 7 saying that you can save time by executing programs with one click instead of two and when I move my window on screen, it jumps to the edge when it gets close and so on. That's the best that Windows 7 can offer? Linux has been doing that (under KDE at least) since I first started using it. Back in 2001. Fair comment. I had something called Aquasnap on XP which let XP do some of the things Win7 can do. But QPC2 and a few other programs left footprints all over the screen as it moved around, so Aquasnap was of limited to use. However, I'm man enough to agree that there are things it does better than Linux. I mentioned the Blue Ray DVDs as one example. When I come up with another, I'll let you know! Might take you a long time though... :o) I agree, Windows 7 is much better than XP. (Sound of crash from the Dilwyn office there?) ;-) C-R-A-S-H...ouch! Norman agreed with me on something?!?!?! ;-) Don't I often agree with you? :-) When we're not discussing Linux vs Windows, yes :o) BTW, back to topic, amid all the winding up of Norman, I somehow got QL2K working. Worst part is I don't know what I did, as it happened at a step when I made 3 changes so I don't know which of them got it going. If I may hazard a guess, did you set the permissions to allow all users all access? That might have done it. Err, not 100% sure of that. The 64-bit version shows the UNBLOCK button now, so (admitting my lack of knowledge here) it is probably not unblocked. UAC queries and if I allow it, it starts normally. Is this what you might expect? UAC still queries when it starts of course (I expect it's because QL2K writes its log file in the Program Files folder as it starts.) That's correct. Windows doesn't like you doing that any more. Jimmy suggested installing in something like C:\jadiam.org\QL2K instead of Program Files. Not sure if I need to do that any more as (whatever I might have done and forgotten) it seems to start normally now. Anyway, happy for the moment... Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
On 23/08/2011 01:56, Norman Dunbar wrote: Snip. I have no floppy disc, so I've got no idea if a VM will allow me to access the floppies or not. I've got a USB floppy as I have a lot of material on floppies and it is OK on Vista and Ubuntu (under VMware). But i'm told that W7 has no floppy support. Can anyone confirm this? Bryan H ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
I have no floppy disc, so I've got no idea if a VM will allow me to access the floppies or not. I've got a USB floppy as I have a lot of material on floppies and it is OK on Vista and Ubuntu (under VMware). But i'm told that W7 has no floppy support. Can anyone confirm this? Bryan H Probably understandable - how many Windoze users (apart from QLers perhaps) would want to use floppies nowadays? DD disk support vanished a while back on PCs - must get my USB FLP drive out to see if it works as a HD disk on Win7 or not. If you look hard enough, you can get small (i.e. 1GB or so) pen drives for a pound or two now, not to mention SD cards etc so floppies probably really are redundant when you only occasionally want a removable portable medium. What do others on this list think? Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Time for booting in to Linux an creating images from your floppies with DD or similar. If nothing else the media must be quite old and doing so should preserve them! On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:00 BST Dilwyn Jones wrote: I have no floppy disc, so I've got no idea if a VM will allow me to access the floppies or not. I've got a USB floppy as I have a lot of material on floppies and it is OK on Vista and Ubuntu (under VMware). But i'm told that W7 has no floppy support. Can anyone confirm this? Bryan H Probably understandable - how many Windoze users (apart from QLers perhaps) would want to use floppies nowadays? DD disk support vanished a while back on PCs - must get my USB FLP drive out to see if it works as a HD disk on Win7 or not. If you look hard enough, you can get small (i.e. 1GB or so) pen drives for a pound or two now, not to mention SD cards etc so floppies probably really are redundant when you only occasionally want a removable portable medium. What do others on this list think? Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Evening Bryan, I've got a USB floppy as I have a lot of material on floppies and it is OK on Vista and Ubuntu (under VMware). But i'm told that W7 has no floppy support. Can anyone confirm this? Sorry no. However, i did a quick google for Windows 7 +floppy and got quite a few hits. The first page seems to be all about: * Win7 not (always( recognising USB floppies * Win7 corrupting floppies during formatting * Win7 not writing to floppies * Etc. So, it appears that floppies might be supported but that the support is a tad on the flaky side. Which is surprising really as DOS/Win1 through Vista all supported and were able to work with floppies. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Evening John, On 23/08/11 18:25, John Alexander wrote: Time for booting in to Linux an creating images from your floppies with DD or similar. If nothing else the media must be quite old and doing so should preserve them! Good advice. In case anyone is wondering, the command is: dd if=/dev/floppy of=/quanta/UT01.flp bs=512 blocks=nnn Where nnn is the number of sectors on the disc. So, it's 1440 for a 720KB and so on. the 'of' parameter is the output file and is what you want to call the floppy image. Linux cannot (yet) read a floppy image from a QL, but it is something I have to complete in due course. I hope. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
On 23/08/11 20:07, Norman Dunbar wrote: Linux cannot (yet) read a floppy image from a QL, but it is something I have to complete in due course. I hope. Except, I think it can. CTOOLS or similar? I'm sure that can read a QL floppy image, mounted on a loopback, on Linux. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
In message D53A062D159E4DC885F46D7B60517A45@AnnPC, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk writes Hi Dilwyn, I see you are finally getting along with PC Windows, and not breaking it too much ... :-) Windows 8, or whatever name it gets, is currently in development. So, maybe that will sort out all your woes ... ? It is looking like it will be based on the 'touch screen' gestures, that have now become common with mobile phones, ipads, etc, so that there will a synergy (well, in theory if M$ can ever achieve that). Either it goes this way as one OS, or a split may occur whereby the 'old tec' of PC's will have a different OS or variant. I have got it to run now in one-off mode. Ensure your user account is Administrator. Right click on the QL2K.EXE or QL2K-x64.EXE file, it says the file originated on another computer (or some message like that) and it is BLOCKED. Click on UNBLOCK, it will now run. But next time you start the program, it is BLOCKED again. I had a look at the QL2K.LOG (which I have sent to Jimmy, author of QL2K) and there doesn't seem to be anything wrong, although Jimmy will know better than me how to interpret the results and look for a clue in the file. Someone kindly sent me a known working version from their 64-bit Program Files folder. I tried this and got exactly the same results, so there is definitely a setting on this machine that ensures the program is BLOCKED. I have run a virus check on it, nothing detected. People like Norman might expect a rant from me about Windows 7, but don't fall off your Linux box, Norman, I am going to make an earth shattering announcement: _*I like Windows 7*_. [Distant sound of a crash from the Dunbar IT office] Yes, it will take me a while to get used to the differences (e.g. the START menu), but this computer is so much more stable and crash-free than the old XP PC. Anyway, I'll learn from the QL2K experience no doubt! QL2K on my machine is more for testing purposes than day-to-day QLing (for which I use QPC2 or Q-emuLator if I need QDOS). Thanks for trying to help everyone, the ql-users list at its best once more. If I find a definitive answer (e.g. Jimmy has ideas on what happened) I'll make sure I document it somewhere for everyone's benefit. Dilwyn Jones -Original Message- From: Lee Privett Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:19 AM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 I had this problem awhile back with the same request, alas no solution presented itself, save running in administrator mode On 22 Aug 2011, at 20:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I am having some problems getting QL2K build 101 to work on Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the full build, then added the update files for each version until the most recent. I have installed the 64-bit Windows version QL2K-x64.exe and when I try to run this I get a brief flash of the round egg-timer icon then nothing, no error, no nothing. It just fails to start. I can of course get the 32-bit version to work on Windows XP OK. I also got QPC2 and Q-emuLator working OK on both systems of course. Anyone with any experience of installing the 64-bit version with any handy hints and tips for the installation? Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3849 - Release Date: 08/21/11 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Malcolm Cadman wrote: I see you are finally getting along with PC Windows, and not breaking it too much ... :-) Sadly, this PC seems (so far) to be Dilwyn-proof :-( Windows 8, or whatever name it gets, is currently in development. So, maybe that will sort out all your woes ... ? Will probably be old hat by the time I get to use it ;-) It is looking like it will be based on the 'touch screen' gestures, that have now become common with mobile phones, ipads, etc, so that there will a synergy (well, in theory if M$ can ever achieve that). Either it goes this way as one OS, or a split may occur whereby the 'old tec' of PC's will have a different OS or variant. We'll see, in time. Development certainly seems focused on convergence of technologies. Whether the QL scene stays largely aloof and independent of these remains to be seen. Would be nice to have a QL which can be used on a mobile in some way. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
What about running the emulator on say an Android or probably more easily a Linuxy linux phone like my N900 for instance ;) John A --- On Tue, 23/8/11, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 23 August, 2011, 21:08 Malcolm Cadman wrote: I see you are finally getting along with PC Windows, and not breaking it too much ... :-) Sadly, this PC seems (so far) to be Dilwyn-proof :-( Windows 8, or whatever name it gets, is currently in development. So, maybe that will sort out all your woes ... ? Will probably be old hat by the time I get to use it ;-) It is looking like it will be based on the 'touch screen' gestures, that have now become common with mobile phones, ipads, etc, so that there will a synergy (well, in theory if M$ can ever achieve that). Either it goes this way as one OS, or a split may occur whereby the 'old tec' of PC's will have a different OS or variant. We'll see, in time. Development certainly seems focused on convergence of technologies. Whether the QL scene stays largely aloof and independent of these remains to be seen. Would be nice to have a QL which can be used on a mobile in some way. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
I'm sure you are right. I'd like to be certain of it but it's been 10 years or more since I played with the emulator or associated tools I found a stash of my old QLs and a partial listing of the MGUK code not too long back. BTW Sinclair Black shows the dust ;) John A --- On Tue, 23/8/11, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote: From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 23 August, 2011, 20:10 On 23/08/11 20:07, Norman Dunbar wrote: Linux cannot (yet) read a floppy image from a QL, but it is something I have to complete in due course. I hope. Except, I think it can. CTOOLS or similar? I'm sure that can read a QL floppy image, mounted on a loopback, on Linux. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
Bryan, Not sure where that information came from! My USB floppy works fine on my Note books PC under Windows 7. I often use it in conjunction with QPC, although it is also used directly from Explorer under Windows 7. I can also use the floppy from a VMWare VM with no issue regardless of what OS the VM is running. I wonder if that information is due to the fact that most modern machines will not allow for booting from a floppy by default (not unreasonable as they no longer have a drive fitted by default). To enable booting from a USB floppy will nearly always require the BIOS settings on the PC to be adjusted from the defaults, but I have yet to encounter a PC that does not allow that as long as one knows what you are doing. Dave Walker Tel: +44 (0)1707 652791 Mob: +44 (0)7999 218953 Web: http://www.itimpi.com Skype: itimpi -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users- boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of BryanHorstmann Sent: 23 August 2011 16:40 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 On 23/08/2011 01:56, Norman Dunbar wrote: Snip. I have no floppy disc, so I've got no idea if a VM will allow me to access the floppies or not. I've got a USB floppy as I have a lot of material on floppies and it is OK on Vista and Ubuntu (under VMware). But i'm told that W7 has no floppy support. Can anyone confirm this? Bryan H ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 (Norman Dunbar)
From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7 On 23/08/11 20:07, Norman Dunbar wrote: Linux cannot (yet) read a floppy image from a QL, but it is something I have to complete in due course. I hope. Except, I think it can. CTOOLS or similar? I'm sure that can read a QL floppy image, mounted on a loopback, on Linux. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd most unices come with dd, which can be used to generate raw media images. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
I am having some problems getting QL2K build 101 to work on Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the full build, then added the update files for each version until the most recent. I have installed the 64-bit Windows version QL2K-x64.exe and when I try to run this I get a brief flash of the round egg-timer icon then nothing, no error, no nothing. It just fails to start. I can of course get the 32-bit version to work on Windows XP OK. I also got QPC2 and Q-emuLator working OK on both systems of course. Anyone with any experience of installing the 64-bit version with any handy hints and tips for the installation? Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
On 22/08/2011 20:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I am having some problems getting QL2K build 101 to work on Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the full build, then added the update files for each version until the most recent. I have installed the 64-bit Windows version QL2K-x64.exe and when I try to run this I get a brief flash of the round egg-timer icon then nothing, no error, no nothing. It just fails to start. I can of course get the 32-bit version to work on Windows XP OK. I also got QPC2 and Q-emuLator working OK on both systems of course. Anyone with any experience of installing the 64-bit version with any handy hints and tips for the installation? Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Hi Dilwyn, Just a thought, but where is it installed? It should be in c\Program Files (x86)\q-emulator c\Program Files is for 64 bit executables. -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services Specialist Enuuk Auction Programming Services www.rwapservices.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
On 22/08/2011 20:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I am having some problems getting QL2K build 101 to work on Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the full build, then added the update files for each version until the most recent. I have installed the 64-bit Windows version QL2K-x64.exe and when I try to run this I get a brief flash of the round egg-timer icon then nothing, no error, no nothing. It just fails to start. I can of course get the 32-bit version to work on Windows XP OK. I also got QPC2 and Q-emuLator working OK on both systems of course. Anyone with any experience of installing the 64-bit version with any handy hints and tips for the installation? Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC) Hi Dilwyn, Just a thought, but where is it installed? It should be in c\Program Files (x86)\q-emulator c\Program Files is for 64 bit executables. Err, it's the QL2K-x64.exe in a folder called Jadiam.org\QL2K It was in c:\program files(x86)\jadiam.org\QL2K but I have tried it in both. Neither 32 bit nor 64 bit versions will start from either folder. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
On 22/08/2011 20:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I am having some problems getting QL2K build 101 to work on Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the full build, then added the update files for each version until the most recent. I have installed the 64-bit Windows version QL2K-x64.exe and when I try to run this I get a brief flash of the round egg-timer icon then nothing, no error, no nothing. It just fails to start. I can of course get the 32-bit version to work on Windows XP OK. I also got QPC2 and Q-emuLator working OK on both systems of course. Anyone with any experience of installing the 64-bit version with any handy hints and tips for the installation? Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC) Hi Dilwyn, Just a thought, but where is it installed? It should be in c\Program Files (x86)\q-emulator c\Program Files is for 64 bit executables. Err, it's the QL2K-x64.exe in a folder called Jadiam.org\QL2K It was in c:\program files(x86)\jadiam.org\QL2K but I have tried it in both. Neither 32 bit nor 64 bit versions will start from either folder. Dilwyn Jones I forgot to mention: I ran the Win7 compatibility troubleshooter and it says that (1) it is an unsafe program from another computer (actually, it was downloaded fresh from Jimmy Montesinos site) and (b) that it needed to be run in Administrator mode. I can get it to start by using Run As Administrator for the 64 bit version, and the 32-bit version will run in Win XP SP2 compatibility mode, but the 32 bit version fails to find the ROMs even though the default settings point to the correct folder for those. I have identical jadiam.org\ql2k folders in both Program Files folders, the only difference between them being which ql2k-xNN.exe I use. Time to give up for tonight and start afresh tomorrow. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
On 22/08/2011 23:31, Dilwyn Jones wrote: On 22/08/2011 20:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I am having some problems getting QL2K build 101 to work on Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the full build, then added the update files for each version until the most recent. I have installed the 64-bit Windows version QL2K-x64.exe and when I try to run this I get a brief flash of the round egg-timer icon then nothing, no error, no nothing. It just fails to start. I can of course get the 32-bit version to work on Windows XP OK. I also got QPC2 and Q-emuLator working OK on both systems of course. Anyone with any experience of installing the 64-bit version with any handy hints and tips for the installation? Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC) Hi Dilwyn, Just a thought, but where is it installed? It should be in c\Program Files (x86)\q-emulator c\Program Files is for 64 bit executables. Err, it's the QL2K-x64.exe in a folder called Jadiam.org\QL2K It was in c:\program files(x86)\jadiam.org\QL2K but I have tried it in both. Neither 32 bit nor 64 bit versions will start from either folder. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Drat - QL2K (not q-emulator!) QL2K works on my system from the standard C:\Program Files\QL2K folder -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services Specialist Enuuk Auction Programming Services www.rwapservices.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
I had this problem awhile back with the same request, alas no solution presented itself, save running in administrator mode On 22 Aug 2011, at 20:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I am having some problems getting QL2K build 101 to work on Windows 7 64 bit. I installed the full build, then added the update files for each version until the most recent. I have installed the 64-bit Windows version QL2K-x64.exe and when I try to run this I get a brief flash of the round egg-timer icon then nothing, no error, no nothing. It just fails to start. I can of course get the 32-bit version to work on Windows XP OK. I also got QPC2 and Q-emuLator working OK on both systems of course. Anyone with any experience of installing the 64-bit version with any handy hints and tips for the installation? Dilwyn Jones (breaking [in] a Windows 7 64 bit PC) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
