RE: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer?
A rudimentary tool that can edit such files would be welcome (so that evryone could produce such help files) Claude -Message d'origine- De : James Hunkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 20 mai 2002 02:32 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [ql-users] basic HTML viewer? Guys, I am thinking of using rudimentary HTML file viewing capabilities for the QDT help system. I could use some recommendations for programs to look at (if there are any) that give the following: 1) works in normal pointer environment (or could be adapted to) 2) does not require PWS (not all users will be running it) 3) has hot links (open different files from a link) 4) can display some graphics Any suggestions? These could even include other open source code from the Unix world as long as it isn't too complex. I am only looking for a basic capability (tables and figures at the most). Thanks for the help, Jim
Re: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer?
On 19 May 2002, at 17:31, James Hunkins wrote: Guys, I am thinking of using rudimentary HTML file viewing capabilities for the QDT help system. I could use some recommendations for programs to look at (if there are any) that give the following: 1) works in normal pointer environment (or could be adapted to) 2) does not require PWS (not all users will be running it) 3) has hot links (open different files from a link) 4) can display some graphics Any suggestions? These could even include other open source code from the Unix world as long as it isn't too complex. I am only looking for a basic capability (tables and figures at the most). As far as I'm aware, that doesn't exist on the QL. Is there any reason not to use Prowess? Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer?
Hi All, To Answer Jim, There are a few HTML based viewers floating about 1, QMOSAIC - I think this was a UNIX port, and a bit buggy. Available in the freeware libraries (Dilwyn?) and probaby the QUANTA library. 2. LYNX - A text only HTML browser ported by Jonathan Hudson from the unix/linux sources. Available from his Website (follow the link from Dilwyn's Page) This could even run from a disk on gold card systems if I recall, and was basic but worked. This is probably your best bet, but it is pretty big I think. 3. HYPERBROWSER - What norman was talking about, by Tarquin Mills. I don't know if this was ever finished (tarquin?) 4. DOC2HTML - A useful utility that converts quill doc's to HTML - Written by Dilwyn Jones and available on his web page. There is always the Prowess reader, but as you said, not all people are running prowess. BTW Jim, nice to hear you're still playing with your QDT...heh, heh... (private joke guys!) Cheers, Darren Branagh Director, Wicklow Web Centre Limited Computer Training, Web Design, Repairs sales Upgrades. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.wwc.ie - Original Message - From: James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 1:31 AM Subject: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer? Guys, I am thinking of using rudimentary HTML file viewing capabilities for the QDT help system. I could use some recommendations for programs to look at (if there are any) that give the following: 1) works in normal pointer environment (or could be adapted to) 2) does not require PWS (not all users will be running it) 3) has hot links (open different files from a link) 4) can display some graphics Any suggestions? These could even include other open source code from the Unix world as long as it isn't too complex. I am only looking for a basic capability (tables and figures at the most). Thanks for the help, Jim
Re: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer?
1, QMOSAIC - I think this was a UNIX port, and a bit buggy. Available in the freeware libraries (Dilwyn?) and probaby the QUANTA library. Yes, my disk GE62. That is version 0.80a, described as SMSQ/E compatible. Q-Mosaic is by FTS Software in Italy. 2. LYNX - A text only HTML browser ported by Jonathan Hudson from the unix/linux sources. Available from his Website (follow the link from Dilwyn's Page) This could even run from a disk on gold card systems if I recall, and was basic but worked. This is probably your best bet, but it is pretty big I think. www.daria.co.uk - as you say, a bit big and large numbers of files and directories, though there is the cut-down Tim Swenson version with just what you need to get going. Both are text only browsers IIRC. 3. HYPERBROWSER - What norman was talking about, by Tarquin Mills. I don't know if this was ever finished (tarquin?) Not fully finished, but worked reasonably well, only trouble was you had to register it I think, though I'm not sure of the early demo versions allowed any useability. It had the facility to use Photon to view graphics by clicking on the link or filename of the graphic IIRC. 4. DOC2HTML - A useful utility that converts quill doc's to HTML - Written by Dilwyn Jones and available on his web page. Not a browser though - just lets you use Quill to create HTML pages with some extra features like links and so on. There's also Roy's HTML Machine for creating tags in just about any text editor as long as PE is there (needs stuffer buffer) There is always the Prowess reader, but as you said, not all people are running prowess. Irrespective of how good Prowess is (and it is good) it takes a while to get used to and get the best out of it. Slight lack of time in the Dilwyn household which is why the Q60 under the desk isn't yet as used as it ought to be! Back to my soapbox...I WANT SOQL!!!
Re: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer?
Hi Jim, Another system you may want to look at is the lastest version of Dilwyn Jones VIEWER program - this has a links ability in it, not really HTML, but works beautifully. Can link to items within the same document via the line its on just by putting the cursor over it and ENTERing, on load in another doc by using a different kind of link which you pre-embedd in the text. I'm using it to convert a freeware encyclopedia for the PC to the QL which has links in it, which is about half done. Darren Branagh Director, Wicklow Web Centre Limited Computer Training, Web Design, Repairs sales Upgrades. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.wwc.ie - Original Message - From: James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 1:31 AM Subject: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer? Guys, I am thinking of using rudimentary HTML file viewing capabilities for the QDT help system. I could use some recommendations for programs to look at (if there are any) that give the following: 1) works in normal pointer environment (or could be adapted to) 2) does not require PWS (not all users will be running it) 3) has hot links (open different files from a link) 4) can display some graphics Any suggestions? These could even include other open source code from the Unix world as long as it isn't too complex. I am only looking for a basic capability (tables and figures at the most). Thanks for the help, Jim
Re: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer?
Another system you may want to look at is the lastest version of Dilwyn Jones VIEWER program - this has a links ability in it, not really HTML, but works beautifully. Can link to items within the same document via the line its on just by putting the cursor over it and ENTERing, on load in another doc by using a different kind of link which you pre-embedd in the text. You are welcome to use it (I think QBranch used it for the help or instructions in PD3/S when they were selling that), but as QDT is a nice modern GUI and Viewer isn't even pointer driven, there doesn't seem much attraction to use it. Better I think to go for a fairly basic levl of HTML, that way people could even create their own help files with their favourite HTML editor, or something as simple as Text2Exp or Doc2Html from me, or even use Jack Mitchell's Xchange HTML printer_dat or xchange_dat which if you print output from Xchange Quill, it's written as an HTML file (just adds the HTMLBODY etc tags which are sadly too long for ordinary QL Quill's more limited printer_dat) I'm using it to convert a freeware encyclopedia for the PC to the QL which has links in it, which is about half done. Oh, are you now??? ;-)) Not Probert encyclopedia by any chance as that's something I sat on my hard drive waiting to be done too - in fact I'd considered using Q-Mosaic to front it if ever I got the time. ;-)) -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer?
On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 05:31:38PM -0700, James Hunkins wrote: Guys, I am thinking of using rudimentary HTML file viewing capabilities for the QDT help system. I could use some recommendations for programs to look at (if there are any) that give the following: 1) works in normal pointer environment (or could be adapted to) 2) does not require PWS (not all users will be running it) 3) has hot links (open different files from a link) 4) can display some graphics Any suggestions? These could even include other open source code from the Unix world as long as it isn't too complex. I am only looking for a basic capability (tables and figures at the most). from Unix world I could recommend w3m, links and dillo. Former two are pure text apps (similar to lynx but way better), dillo has full support for graphics. All of them do tables but dillo doesn't do frames. As of the complexity.. not easy to judge. I guess sooner or later we will have to port GTK but it hasn't been done yet so you would need a detailed look at how much of it needs to be emulated to get the basic rendering in dillo done. Richard
RE: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer?
At 10:40 AM 5/20/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hi James. There was an HTML browser for the QL going around some time back, written in SuperBasic. The last I heard was that there were a couple of problems with it, and I haven't heard much since then. (Was it Tarquin ?) I believe you are talking about Hyperbrowse. There was also an earlier browser written by somebody in Italy. They used CSIZE to show the different font sizes from HTML. I've got a copy around but I don't know if the source code was distributed. Tim Swenson
Re: [ql-users] basic HTML viewer?
Lots of ideas, thanks guys. Basically, the two things that I need it to do is different font sizes (CSize is just fine), some form of graphics (compressed), hyperlinks, and tables. Frames is an option but not really necessary, at least for first round. If it is ready to go great, but am expecting to have to do some work on it so the source code is very good. I am also concerned with size of the code and speed. You all gave me a lot of options so I will start looking at them, probably on the plane on the way to the US QL show. I guess we are still waiting for a response from Tarquin on his efforts. Again, thanks for the input. Any other ideas or advice will of course be appreciated. I will let everyone know what I find. Jim On Monday, May 20, 2002, at 06:01 PM, Timothy Swenson wrote: At 10:40 AM 5/20/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hi James. There was an HTML browser for the QL going around some time back, written in SuperBasic. The last I heard was that there were a couple of problems with it, and I haven't heard much since then. (Was it Tarquin ?) I believe you are talking about Hyperbrowse. There was also an earlier browser written by somebody in Italy. They used CSIZE to show the different font sizes from HTML. I've got a copy around but I don't know if the source code was distributed. Tim Swenson
