Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
Hello Elijah, You could have not made me happier with your letter. It is a very satisfying compliment for me to be appreciated in general, and specifically by you. I will start by responding to the simpler parts of your e-mail and the proceed into the more interesting parts. My response grew to be quite long, though I tried to remain fresh. I hope it turned out ok. First, thank you for the historical context of PlanetR and also for putting it up in the first place. I already took some steps as to contact people in the PlanetR list, but not all have responded to me. Now regarding the more general (implicit) questions that come up from your letter and from Dirk's: what is the purpose of R-bloggers.com and of that of PlanetR (especially when services like Goggle reader and other such sources are abundant). For me there are two audiences: One is that of the web 2.0 power users. That is, people who know what RSS is and use it, maybe evern write their own blogs. These people have only one problem (as I see it) that R-bloggers tries to solve, and that is to know who else lives in their ecosystem. Who else they should follow. For that, google reader recommendation system is great, but not enough. A much better system is if there was a one place where all R bloggers would go, write down their website, and all of us would know they exist. That is what R-bloggers offers for the power users. I think this is also why over 20 of them subscribed to the site RSS feed. BTW, The origin of this idea came to me when I was trying to find all the dance bloggers for my wife (who is a dance researcher and blogger herself). After a while we started http://www.dancebloggers.com/ while knowing of only 10 bloggers. They list now has over 80 bloggers, most of which we would have not known about without this hub. The same thing I am trying to do for the R community, that is way I hope more R bloggers would write about the service - so their network of readers which includes other R bloggers would add themselves and we will all know about them. If that was my only purpose, a simple directory would have been enough. But I also have a second one and that is to help the second audience. The second audience I am thinking of are people of our community who are not so much early adopters (and actually quite late adapters) of the new facilities that the new web (a.k.a: web 2.0) provides. To them the all RSS thing is too much to look at, and they are used to e-mails. And because of that they are (until now) disconected from many of the R bloggers out there, simply because it is in-efficient for them to go through all these blogs each day (or even week). So for them, to see all the content in one place (and even get an e-mail about it) would be (I hope) a service. I believe that's why 5 of them (so far) has subscribed via e-mail. I also hope teachers will direct their students to this as a resource for getting a sense of what people who are using R are doing. Another thing that hints me about the R community is seeing how the facebook fan box is still empty. Which tells me that (sadly) very few R users are actively using facebook as a means for connecting with the outer networks of people out there. All I wrote also explains why R-bloggers will only take feeds of bloggers and only (as much as can be said) their posts that are centered around R (hence the website name :) ). It both follows what Gabor talked about - having a site who's content is only about R. But also what I wish, which is to have content in the sense of articles to read (mostly). And not so much things like news feeds of wikipedia or new packages published. Regarding what you suggested of turning the site into being more of a community enterprise, I don't see how to do that. Right now, the adding of the feeds is a very simple process and the rate of people adding themselves is very low, so I don't think I will need help in that. I would more love to see more people in our community becoming even more social online, but I don't thing that R bloggers http://www.r-bloggers.com/should be the place for that but rather it should be on each of the blogs that write about R. And also on services like http://crantastic.org/ which I really hope will somehow be pushed more by the R core team so to serve all of us with more input from the R community of users. I hope this was at least an interesting read for some of you :) And Elijah, *thanks again* for your kind words! Best regards, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Elijah Wright elijah.wri...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Tal! First let me say that I deeply appreciate the work that
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
Hi Tal! First let me say that I deeply appreciate the work that you're putting into this. You're doing good things for our community, and that's great! I put the planet-R stuff together rather hastily a few years ago, as a way of seeing whether it was of enough use for the community for it to be something that the R project would want to provide as a standard service offering. ;) At that moment in time, it seemed like a slightly fringe thing to do, but I think the community has grown into it a bit now. There are a *lot* more R-related RSS feeds in the ecosystem now than there were a couple or three years back. Another aspect - a couple of years ago, we didn't have decent recommenders for related feeds from things like Google Reader. Nowadays, once google finds an R-related feed, it starts to suggest it to me. That's very powerful, and I think the need for a centralized planet-style site is somewhat reduced by it. I'd strongly suggest that you make your site as community-oriented as possible, probably by asking folks in the community (like, say, Romain...) to help you run and administer the thing. That will make it more like a community project, and reduce the load on you personally. I should have done something like that with the planetr.stderr.org site long ago - as Dirk notes, my cycle time for responding to mail and notes is a bit slow, and my time budget for messing about with the site is also pretty amazingly limited. As you note - there's not really much by way of contact information in the planetr templates. They're quite limited and quite unimpressive. :) But, well, the amount of work that was required to get a working site up was also incredibly small for me. I'd be happy to see you harvest links out of planetr.stderr.org and add them to your r-bloggers site - some of the links I've collected there are institutional (journal feeds and the like) and should be possible to add without any consultation. For the individual bloggers, I'd suggest contacting them to get permission to add their feeds - it just seems like the polite thing to do. Again, I want to thank you publicly for spending your time on this, and am happy to see someone taking action to improve communication and discussion across the R community of users and developers. This benefits us all, greatly! Best, and be well, --elijah On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Tal Galili tal.gal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dirk, I wish to emphasis that I came across PlanetR over a year ago, but completely forgot it existed when working on R-bloggers. Also, when I contacted the bloggers about this idea, non of them actually wrote to me about it (which makes me feel better about not remembering it). I apologies if setting up R-bloggers seems like trying to compete with PlanetR, this at all wasn't my intention. Yet, now that my website is up, I hope it will be of use and here are several ways in which (at hindsight) I can say it has something to offer: 1) Planet R is limited (for years) to 26 feeds only, and I don't remember seeing it evolve to include (or allow inclusion) of new R blogs that came around. 2) The feeds are of blogs and non blogs (such as wiki or cran updates). That makes finding reading material inside it very difficult, since the site is cluttered with a lot of updates from cranbarries and the wiki. 3) In PlanetR, one can only view (about) 5 days back and no more (R-bloggers allows viewing of much more then 5 days back). 4) R-bloggers allows searching inside the content, PlanetR doesn't. 5) R-bloggers allow one to get e-mail updates, PlanetR doesn't. 6) R-bloggers offers related articles, PlanetR doesn't. I see R-bloggers http://www.r-bloggers.com/ as a news site based on the R bloggers, and I can't say the same about PlanetR for the reasons I gave above. With much respect to you Dirk, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org wrote: On 5 December 2009 at 21:38, Tal Galili wrote: | R-Bloggers.com hopes to serve the R community by presenting (in one place) | all the new articles (posts) written (in English) about R in the R | blogosphere. But how is that different from http://PlanetR.stderr.org which has been doing the same quite admirably for years? Dirk -- Three out of two people have difficulties with fractions. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
I am not sure if its still the case but one of the problems with the Planet R feed was that it had material in it not related to R or statistics or any technical subject at all so if you harvest it be sure to exclude such sources. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Elijah Wright elijah.wri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tal! First let me say that I deeply appreciate the work that you're putting into this. You're doing good things for our community, and that's great! I put the planet-R stuff together rather hastily a few years ago, as a way of seeing whether it was of enough use for the community for it to be something that the R project would want to provide as a standard service offering. ;) At that moment in time, it seemed like a slightly fringe thing to do, but I think the community has grown into it a bit now. There are a *lot* more R-related RSS feeds in the ecosystem now than there were a couple or three years back. Another aspect - a couple of years ago, we didn't have decent recommenders for related feeds from things like Google Reader. Nowadays, once google finds an R-related feed, it starts to suggest it to me. That's very powerful, and I think the need for a centralized planet-style site is somewhat reduced by it. I'd strongly suggest that you make your site as community-oriented as possible, probably by asking folks in the community (like, say, Romain...) to help you run and administer the thing. That will make it more like a community project, and reduce the load on you personally. I should have done something like that with the planetr.stderr.org site long ago - as Dirk notes, my cycle time for responding to mail and notes is a bit slow, and my time budget for messing about with the site is also pretty amazingly limited. As you note - there's not really much by way of contact information in the planetr templates. They're quite limited and quite unimpressive. :) But, well, the amount of work that was required to get a working site up was also incredibly small for me. I'd be happy to see you harvest links out of planetr.stderr.org and add them to your r-bloggers site - some of the links I've collected there are institutional (journal feeds and the like) and should be possible to add without any consultation. For the individual bloggers, I'd suggest contacting them to get permission to add their feeds - it just seems like the polite thing to do. Again, I want to thank you publicly for spending your time on this, and am happy to see someone taking action to improve communication and discussion across the R community of users and developers. This benefits us all, greatly! Best, and be well, --elijah On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Tal Galili tal.gal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dirk, I wish to emphasis that I came across PlanetR over a year ago, but completely forgot it existed when working on R-bloggers. Also, when I contacted the bloggers about this idea, non of them actually wrote to me about it (which makes me feel better about not remembering it). I apologies if setting up R-bloggers seems like trying to compete with PlanetR, this at all wasn't my intention. Yet, now that my website is up, I hope it will be of use and here are several ways in which (at hindsight) I can say it has something to offer: 1) Planet R is limited (for years) to 26 feeds only, and I don't remember seeing it evolve to include (or allow inclusion) of new R blogs that came around. 2) The feeds are of blogs and non blogs (such as wiki or cran updates). That makes finding reading material inside it very difficult, since the site is cluttered with a lot of updates from cranbarries and the wiki. 3) In PlanetR, one can only view (about) 5 days back and no more (R-bloggers allows viewing of much more then 5 days back). 4) R-bloggers allows searching inside the content, PlanetR doesn't. 5) R-bloggers allow one to get e-mail updates, PlanetR doesn't. 6) R-bloggers offers related articles, PlanetR doesn't. I see R-bloggers http://www.r-bloggers.com/ as a news site based on the R bloggers, and I can't say the same about PlanetR for the reasons I gave above. With much respect to you Dirk, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org wrote: On 5 December 2009 at 21:38, Tal Galili wrote: | R-Bloggers.com hopes to serve the R community by presenting (in one place) | all the new articles (posts) written (in English) about R in the R | blogosphere. But how is that different from http://PlanetR.stderr.org which has been doing the same quite
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
On 8 December 2009 at 12:24, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: | I am not sure if its still the case but one of the problems with the | Planet R feed was that it had material in it not related to R or | statistics or any technical subject at all so if you harvest it be | sure to exclude such sources. This comes up on some of the other 'Planet *' aggregators I read --- and the general consensus that it is a good thing to see a fuller and broader picture of activities of the community members. This is not meant to replace a narrowly-focussed mailing lists. So call it a feature and not a bug. For filtering of RSS feeds see e.g. Yahoo Pipes (http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/) Dirk -- Three out of two people have difficulties with fractions. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
Hi Dirk, In order to reply to you in a way people will be able to follow, I am going to concentrate my answers (per point) here: 1) PlanetR doesn't encourage the adding of new feeds. No where on the site is there a contact page or a submit new feed form. I give the full credit for the site (especially since it was first built in 2007), but to say one can add itself to the feeds is not paying attention to the details (BTW, I added my blog www.r-statistics.com to it the other day, and hope to see that the site is still maintained). 2) R-bloggers doesn't intend to be the feeder of all the content on R, but only on the bloggers content on R. It is (in my book) useful for both bloggers about R (wanting to know what to respond on), and to beginner/non-expert R users who are simply looking for content to follow (not Wiki or CRAN updates). Dirk, just because you are not that audience doesn't mean that there are no people who can benefit from it. 3+4) As I answered Romain - if you are used to working with a G-reader not R-bloggers nor PlanetR are of any use to you (in my book), since you can just add all the feeds by yourself. But again, for first degree students, I would direct them to R-bloggers, instead of trying to teach them RSS (in case they didn't know it by themselves), and not to PlanetR. 5) e-mail updates has an advantage. Since I wrote about this site two days ago, I already got 4 people subscribing by e-mail, and about 6 more bloggers asking to be added. I think this proves that there might be room for this service. 6) Regarding the related article - here is how I do it: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/yet-another-related-posts-plugin/ And for random reading, it is sometimes better the nothing (especially when we are talking about large volumes of content). But you are welcome to ignore it if you wish. To sum up: I believe (and hope) that http://www.r-bloggers.com/ can offer something of use to the R community. Dirk, even if I didn't agree with you at full on all points I would still like to say that I appreciate your conversation, and thank you for it. With much respect, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org wrote: Tal, For completeness: On 5 December 2009 at 22:32, Tal Galili wrote: | 1) Planet R is limited (for years) to 26 feeds only, and I don't remember | seeing it evolve to include (or allow inclusion) of new R blogs that came | around. That was already addressed by Romain. It would appear that you didn't really try too hard to find out how to add content there. | 2) The feeds are of blogs and non blogs (such as wiki or cran updates). That A good thing in my book as the _aggregator_ that PlanetR is frees me from having to follow a number of other feeds. And e.g. I would have gotten some of the literature update feeds etc. | 3) In PlanetR, one can only view (about) 5 days back and no more (R-bloggers | allows viewing of much more then 5 days back). Non-issue when you use a reader like Google Reader which keeps history. | 4) R-bloggers allows searching inside the content, PlanetR doesn't. Non-issue when you use a reader like Google Reader which gives you Google search for your feeds, all your read posts, just particular feeds, ... | 5) R-bloggers allow one to get e-mail updates, PlanetR doesn't. Good heavens, as if I needed more email. Procmail currently filters into sixty some buckets already ... | 6) R-bloggers offers related articles, PlanetR doesn't. I am not sure what 'related articles' would be and why I'd care. Let's scratch that one. All that said, more choice is always better, and I am sure we all benefit from your little endeavour. Your motivational 'elevator pitch', however, may seem to need a bit more work. Good luck. Dirk -- Three out of two people have difficulties with fractions. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
On 12/05/2009 11:45 PM, Tal Galili wrote: Hi Romain, First - I'd like to say that you where one of the bloggers I wanted to e-mail and didn't get to it. I still remember our short session in useR 2009 where you showed me your plans for an R editor - I am still waiting to see it once it comes out. Regarding the rest of what you wrote, I'll reply to you in each section: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Romain Francois romain.franc...@dbmail.com mailto:romain.franc...@dbmail.com wrote: On 12/05/2009 09:32 PM, Tal Galili wrote: 1) Planet R is limited (for years) to 26 feeds only, and I don't remember seeing it evolve to include (or allow inclusion) of new R blogs that came around. R: that's not quite true. If you send an email to the maintainer of planet R, he will add your feed (both my blog and r graph gallery was added this year for example). T:Thanks for the correction. Yet let's put this in context - I can't see on the planetR website (http://planetr.stderr.org/) any e-mail or link to contact. So for me, for example, I don't know how to add my own blog (What IS the e-mail of the maintainer ?) Fair enough. Here is the r-help thread where it was announced. http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02/archive/104406.html 2) The feeds are of blogs and non blogs (such as wiki or cran updates). That makes finding reading material inside it very difficult, since the site is cluttered with a lot of updates from cranbarries and the wiki. R: I see this as a good thing. In the program i use to read planet R (thunderbird) you can filter out things you are not interested about. T: But Romain, both planetR and R-bloggers are not meant for you What do you mean ? except as a source for feeds. What you are saying is that you don't use the interface either website offers, which is exactly my point. R: I have requested to be added to yours anyway, might be good for my pagerank. T: Cool, I just added you. -- Romain Francois Professional R Enthusiast +33(0) 6 28 91 30 30 http://romainfrancois.blog.free.fr |- http://tr.im/Gq7i : ohloh |- http://tr.im/FtUu : new package : highlight `- http://tr.im/EAD5 : LondonR slides __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
Hi Romain. 1) Thank you for the link to how to add myself to PlanetR. 2) What I meant was that you don't need an online aggregator, since you know how to use it with your own local software. Cheers, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Romain Francois romain.franc...@dbmail.com wrote: On 12/05/2009 11:45 PM, Tal Galili wrote: Hi Romain, First - I'd like to say that you where one of the bloggers I wanted to e-mail and didn't get to it. I still remember our short session in useR 2009 where you showed me your plans for an R editor - I am still waiting to see it once it comes out. Regarding the rest of what you wrote, I'll reply to you in each section: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Romain Francois romain.franc...@dbmail.com mailto:romain.franc...@dbmail.com wrote: On 12/05/2009 09:32 PM, Tal Galili wrote: 1) Planet R is limited (for years) to 26 feeds only, and I don't remember seeing it evolve to include (or allow inclusion) of new R blogs that came around. R: that's not quite true. If you send an email to the maintainer of planet R, he will add your feed (both my blog and r graph gallery was added this year for example). T:Thanks for the correction. Yet let's put this in context - I can't see on the planetR website (http://planetr.stderr.org/) any e-mail or link to contact. So for me, for example, I don't know how to add my own blog (What IS the e-mail of the maintainer ?) Fair enough. Here is the r-help thread where it was announced. http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02/archive/104406.html 2) The feeds are of blogs and non blogs (such as wiki or cran updates). That makes finding reading material inside it very difficult, since the site is cluttered with a lot of updates from cranbarries and the wiki. R: I see this as a good thing. In the program i use to read planet R (thunderbird) you can filter out things you are not interested about. T: But Romain, both planetR and R-bloggers are not meant for you What do you mean ? except as a source for feeds. What you are saying is that you don't use the interface either website offers, which is exactly my point. R: I have requested to be added to yours anyway, might be good for my pagerank. T: Cool, I just added you. -- Romain Francois Professional R Enthusiast +33(0) 6 28 91 30 30 http://romainfrancois.blog.free.fr |- http://tr.im/Gq7i : ohloh |- http://tr.im/FtUu : new package : highlight `- http://tr.im/EAD5 : LondonR slides [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
Tal, For completeness: On 5 December 2009 at 22:32, Tal Galili wrote: | 1) Planet R is limited (for years) to 26 feeds only, and I don't remember | seeing it evolve to include (or allow inclusion) of new R blogs that came | around. That was already addressed by Romain. It would appear that you didn't really try too hard to find out how to add content there. | 2) The feeds are of blogs and non blogs (such as wiki or cran updates). That A good thing in my book as the _aggregator_ that PlanetR is frees me from having to follow a number of other feeds. And e.g. I would have gotten some of the literature update feeds etc. | 3) In PlanetR, one can only view (about) 5 days back and no more (R-bloggers | allows viewing of much more then 5 days back). Non-issue when you use a reader like Google Reader which keeps history. | 4) R-bloggers allows searching inside the content, PlanetR doesn't. Non-issue when you use a reader like Google Reader which gives you Google search for your feeds, all your read posts, just particular feeds, ... | 5) R-bloggers allow one to get e-mail updates, PlanetR doesn't. Good heavens, as if I needed more email. Procmail currently filters into sixty some buckets already ... | 6) R-bloggers offers related articles, PlanetR doesn't. I am not sure what 'related articles' would be and why I'd care. Let's scratch that one. All that said, more choice is always better, and I am sure we all benefit from your little endeavour. Your motivational 'elevator pitch', however, may seem to need a bit more work. Good luck. Dirk -- Three out of two people have difficulties with fractions. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
Hello everyone. After some good time of work, I am proud to present: www.r-bloggers.com What is R-Bloggers.com? R-Bloggers.com hopes to serve the R community by presenting (in one place) all the new articles (posts) written (in English) about R in the R blogosphere. How does R-Bloggers operate? This site aggregates feeds (only with permission!) from participating R blogs. The beginnings of each participating blogs posts will automatically be displayed on the main page with links to the original posts; inside every post there is a link to the original blog and links to other related articles. All participating blogs will have links in the Contributors section of our sidebar What does R-Bloggers offer the community? - Discover: If every blogger will add itself, we will all be able to find new R blogs (which is hard to find on the web, if you ever tried). The site also allows to search in the content of the bloggers (although for searches of older content - you better go to the blogs themselves or wait for the customized google search box I will add in the future) - Follow: Enter your e-mail and subscribe to receive a daily digest with teasers of new posts from participating blogs. You will more easily get a sense of hot topics in the R blogosphere. - Connect: Click on Fan this site to become a fan of R Bloggers. You can friend other people and share thoughts on our wall. Or just by leaving comments on the blog. - Participate: Add your R blog to get increased visibility (for readers and search engines) with permanent links on our Contributors sidebar. Your blog will also gain visibility via our e-mail digest and through your presence on the main page with posts. How do I become a participating blog in R Bloggers? To add your blog, simply click on Add your blog!http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your-blog/ and enter the required information. I will review your link and approve it in a timely fashion. How can I help? We share readers to gain readers! If you are interested and havent already, please submit your blog http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your-blog/. Also please consider putting *a link from your blog* to R-Bloggers from your sidebar (we do the same for you); you can even put up a post about us - if each blogger will do so - all of us will gain from it. Who started R-Bloggers (and way)? R Bloggers was started by Tal Galili http://talgalili.com/. After searching for numerous R blogs, Tal (well, me) decided that there must be more R blogs our there then he knows about, and maybe the best way for finding them is to make them find him. You can reach Tal via the Contacthttp://www.r-bloggers.com/contact-us/ page (or just e-mail him: tal.gal...@gmail.com). Extra thanks and a deceleration of good intentions I would like to thank John, Yihui, Jaanus and Taiyun for being the first bloggers to allow me to enlist their blogs to the project. There are more R bloggers out there that I know of, and didn't get to ask for permission. I apologies to you for not contacting you personally, still If you are one such blogger, and you want to join the site, please feel welcome to submit your blog http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your-blog/. I hope this e-mail was not an abuse of the R mailing list. Since I intended this project for the good of the R community I allowed myself to publish the site here, so I hope it wouldn't upset anyone. Best wishes to all, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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On 5 December 2009 at 21:38, Tal Galili wrote: | R-Bloggers.com hopes to serve the R community by presenting (in one place) | all the new articles (posts) written (in English) about R in the R | blogosphere. But how is that different from http://PlanetR.stderr.org which has been doing the same quite admirably for years? Dirk -- Three out of two people have difficulties with fractions. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
Hi Dirk, I wish to emphasis that I came across PlanetR over a year ago, but completely forgot it existed when working on R-bloggers. Also, when I contacted the bloggers about this idea, non of them actually wrote to me about it (which makes me feel better about not remembering it). I apologies if setting up R-bloggers seems like trying to compete with PlanetR, this at all wasn't my intention. Yet, now that my website is up, I hope it will be of use and here are several ways in which (at hindsight) I can say it has something to offer: 1) Planet R is limited (for years) to 26 feeds only, and I don't remember seeing it evolve to include (or allow inclusion) of new R blogs that came around. 2) The feeds are of blogs and non blogs (such as wiki or cran updates). That makes finding reading material inside it very difficult, since the site is cluttered with a lot of updates from cranbarries and the wiki. 3) In PlanetR, one can only view (about) 5 days back and no more (R-bloggers allows viewing of much more then 5 days back). 4) R-bloggers allows searching inside the content, PlanetR doesn't. 5) R-bloggers allow one to get e-mail updates, PlanetR doesn't. 6) R-bloggers offers related articles, PlanetR doesn't. I see R-bloggers http://www.r-bloggers.com/ as a news site based on the R bloggers, and I can't say the same about PlanetR for the reasons I gave above. With much respect to you Dirk, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org wrote: On 5 December 2009 at 21:38, Tal Galili wrote: | R-Bloggers.com hopes to serve the R community by presenting (in one place) | all the new articles (posts) written (in English) about R in the R | blogosphere. But how is that different from http://PlanetR.stderr.org which has been doing the same quite admirably for years? Dirk -- Three out of two people have difficulties with fractions. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
-Original Message- From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Tal Galili Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:38 AM To: r-help@r-project.org Subject: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com Hello everyone. After some good time of work, I am proud to present: www.r-bloggers.com What is R-Bloggers.com? R-Bloggers.com hopes to serve the R community by presenting (in one place) all the new articles (posts) written (in English) about R in the R blogosphere. How does R-Bloggers operate? This site aggregates feeds (only with permission!) from participating R blogs. The beginnings of each participating blogs posts will automatically be displayed on the main page with links to the original posts; inside every post there is a link to the original blog and links to other related articles. All participating blogs will have links in the Contributors section of our sidebar What does R-Bloggers offer the community? - Discover: If every blogger will add itself, we will all be able to find new R blogs (which is hard to find on the web, if you ever tried). The site also allows to search in the content of the bloggers (although for searches of older content - you better go to the blogs themselves or wait for the customized google search box I will add in the future) - Follow: Enter your e-mail and subscribe to receive a daily digest with teasers of new posts from participating blogs. You will more easily get a sense of hot topics in the R blogosphere. - Connect: Click on Fan this site to become a fan of R Bloggers. You can friend other people and share thoughts on our wall. Or just by leaving comments on the blog. - Participate: Add your R blog to get increased visibility (for readers and search engines) with permanent links on our Contributors sidebar. Your blog will also gain visibility via our e-mail digest and through your presence on the main page with posts. How do I become a participating blog in R Bloggers? To add your blog, simply click on Add your blog!http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your-blog/ and enter the required information. I will review your link and approve it in a timely fashion. How can I help? We share readers to gain readers! If you are interested and havent already, please submit your blog http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your- blog/. Also please consider putting *a link from your blog* to R-Bloggers from your sidebar (we do the same for you); you can even put up a post about us - if each blogger will do so - all of us will gain from it. Who started R-Bloggers (and way)? R Bloggers was started by Tal Galili http://talgalili.com/. After searching for numerous R blogs, Tal (well, me) decided that there must be more R blogs our there then he knows about, and maybe the best way for finding them is to make them find him. You can reach Tal via the Contacthttp://www.r-bloggers.com/contact-us/ page (or just e-mail him: tal.gal...@gmail.com). Extra thanks and a deceleration of good intentions I would like to thank John, Yihui, Jaanus and Taiyun for being the first bloggers to allow me to enlist their blogs to the project. There are more R bloggers out there that I know of, and didn't get to ask for permission. I apologies to you for not contacting you personally, still If you are one such blogger, and you want to join the site, please feel welcome to submit your blog http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your-blog/. I hope this e-mail was not an abuse of the R mailing list. Since I intended this project for the good of the R community I allowed myself to publish the site here, so I hope it wouldn't upset anyone. Best wishes to all, Tal I went to the site listed above and ZoneAlarm on my computer reported the site as suspicious (I can count on one hand the number of times I have received that warning). My question: do you know what your site is doing that might be considered suspicious? Dan Daniel Nordlund Bothell, WA USA __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
Hi Daniel. In short: no. In more words: 1) I have zone alarm also on my computer and it gives me no warnings. 2) The only two external scripts the site has are of woopra and google analytics, both are known external statistics services. 3) It could be (although not likely) that the site is hacked and was injected with something, but services like this one: http://www.unmaskparasites.com/security-report/ claims that my site is clean. If you have anymore suggestions - I would love to know them. Thanks for reporting, what do you think of the site itself BTW? Best, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Daniel Nordlund djnordl...@verizon.netwrote: -Original Message- From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Tal Galili Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:38 AM To: r-help@r-project.org Subject: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com Hello everyone. After some good time of work, I am proud to present: www.r-bloggers.com What is R-Bloggers.com? R-Bloggers.com hopes to serve the R community by presenting (in one place) all the new articles (posts) written (in English) about R in the R blogosphere. How does R-Bloggers operate? This site aggregates feeds (only with permission!) from participating R blogs. The beginnings of each participating blog s posts will automatically be displayed on the main page with links to the original posts; inside every post there is a link to the original blog and links to other related articles. All participating blogs will have links in the Contributors section of our sidebar What does R-Bloggers offer the community? - Discover: If every blogger will add itself, we will all be able to find new R blogs (which is hard to find on the web, if you ever tried). The site also allows to search in the content of the bloggers (although for searches of older content - you better go to the blogs themselves or wait for the customized google search box I will add in the future) - Follow: Enter your e-mail and subscribe to receive a daily digest with teasers of new posts from participating blogs. You will more easily get a sense of hot topics in the R blogosphere. - Connect: Click on Fan this site to become a fan of R Bloggers. You can friend other people and share thoughts on our wall. Or just by leaving comments on the blog. - Participate: Add your R blog to get increased visibility (for readers and search engines) with permanent links on our Contributors sidebar. Your blog will also gain visibility via our e-mail digest and through your presence on the main page with posts. How do I become a participating blog in R Bloggers? To add your blog, simply click on Add your blog!http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your-blog/ and enter the required information. I will review your link and approve it in a timely fashion. How can I help? We share readers to gain readers! If you are interested and haven t already, please submit your blog http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your- blog/. Also please consider putting *a link from your blog* to R-Bloggers from your sidebar (we do the same for you); you can even put up a post about us - if each blogger will do so - all of us will gain from it. Who started R-Bloggers (and way)? R Bloggers was started by Tal Galili http://talgalili.com/. After searching for numerous R blogs, Tal (well, me) decided that there must be more R blogs our there then he knows about, and maybe the best way for finding them is to make them find him. You can reach Tal via the Contacthttp://www.r-bloggers.com/contact-us/ page (or just e-mail him: tal.gal...@gmail.com). Extra thanks and a deceleration of good intentions I would like to thank John, Yihui, Jaanus and Taiyun for being the first bloggers to allow me to enlist their blogs to the project. There are more R bloggers out there that I know of, and didn't get to ask for permission. I apologies to you for not contacting you personally, still If you are one such blogger, and you want to join the site, please feel welcome to submit your blog http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your-blog/. I hope this e-mail was not an abuse of the R mailing list. Since I intended this project for the good of the R community I allowed myself to publish the site here, so I hope it wouldn't upset anyone. Best wishes to all, Tal I went to the site listed above and ZoneAlarm on my computer reported the site as suspicious (I
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
On 12/05/2009 09:32 PM, Tal Galili wrote: Hi Dirk, I wish to emphasis that I came across PlanetR over a year ago, but completely forgot it existed when working on R-bloggers. Also, when I contacted the bloggers about this idea, non of them actually wrote to me about it (which makes me feel better about not remembering it). I apologies if setting up R-bloggers seems like trying to compete with PlanetR, this at all wasn't my intention. Yet, now that my website is up, I hope it will be of use and here are several ways in which (at hindsight) I can say it has something to offer: 1) Planet R is limited (for years) to 26 feeds only, and I don't remember seeing it evolve to include (or allow inclusion) of new R blogs that came around. That's not quite true. If you send an email to the maintainer of planet R, he will add your feed (both my blog and r graph gallery was added this year for example). 2) The feeds are of blogs and non blogs (such as wiki or cran updates). That makes finding reading material inside it very difficult, since the site is cluttered with a lot of updates from cranbarries and the wiki. I see this as a good thing. In the program i use to read planet R (thunderbird) you can filter out things you are not interested about. I have requested to be added to yours anyway, might be good for my pagerank. 3) In PlanetR, one can only view (about) 5 days back and no more (R-bloggers allows viewing of much more then 5 days back). 4) R-bloggers allows searching inside the content, PlanetR doesn't. 5) R-bloggers allow one to get e-mail updates, PlanetR doesn't. 6) R-bloggers offers related articles, PlanetR doesn't. I see R-bloggershttp://www.r-bloggers.com/ as a news site based on the R bloggers, and I can't say the same about PlanetR for the reasons I gave above. With much respect to you Dirk, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Dirk Eddelbuettele...@debian.org wrote: On 5 December 2009 at 21:38, Tal Galili wrote: | R-Bloggers.com hopes to serve the R community by presenting (in one place) | all the new articles (posts) written (in English) about R in the R | blogosphere. But how is that different from http://PlanetR.stderr.org which has been doing the same quite admirably for years? Dirk -- Three out of two people have difficulties with fractions. -- Romain Francois Professional R Enthusiast +33(0) 6 28 91 30 30 http://romainfrancois.blog.free.fr |- http://tr.im/Gq7i : ohloh |- http://tr.im/FtUu : new package : highlight `- http://tr.im/EAD5 : LondonR slides __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
I donât have comments as yet, because I didnât stay around the site too long. I will go back and look at it using a spare Ubuntu box and let you know what I think. Dan Daniel Nordlund Bothell, WA USA _ From: Tal Galili [mailto:tal.gal...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:24 PM To: Daniel Nordlund Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com Hi Daniel. In short: no. In more words: 1) I have zone alarm also on my computer and it gives me no warnings. 2) The only two external scripts the site has are of woopra and google analytics, both are known external statistics services. 3) It could be (although not likely) that the site is hacked and was injected with something, but services like this one: http://www.unmaskparasites.com/security-report/ claims that my site is clean. If you have anymore suggestions - I would love to know them. Thanks for reporting, what do you think of the site itself BTW? Best, Tal Contact Details:--- Contact me: tal.gal...@gmail.com | 972-52-7275845 Read me: www.talgalili.com (Hebrew) | www.biostatistics.co.il (Hebrew) | www.r-statistics.com/ (English) -- On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Daniel Nordlund djnordl...@verizon.net wrote: -Original Message- From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Tal Galili Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:38 AM To: r-help@r-project.org Subject: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com Hello everyone. After some good time of work, I am proud to present: www.r-bloggers.com What is R-Bloggers.com? R-Bloggers.com hopes to serve the R community by presenting (in one place) all the new articles (posts) written (in English) about R in the R blogosphere. How does R-Bloggers operate? This site aggregates feeds (only with permission!) from participating R blogs. The beginnings of each participating blog s posts will automatically be displayed on the main page with links to the original posts; inside every post there is a link to the original blog and links to other related articles. All participating blogs will have links in the Contributors section of our sidebar What does R-Bloggers offer the community? - Discover: If every blogger will add itself, we will all be able to find new R blogs (which is hard to find on the web, if you ever tried). The site also allows to search in the content of the bloggers (although for searches of older content - you better go to the blogs themselves or wait for the customized google search box I will add in the future) - Follow: Enter your e-mail and subscribe to receive a daily digest with teasers of new posts from participating blogs. You will more easily get a sense of hot topics in the R blogosphere. - Connect: Click on Fan this site to become a fan of R Bloggers. You can friend other people and share thoughts on our wall. Or just by leaving comments on the blog. - Participate: Add your R blog to get increased visibility (for readers and search engines) with permanent links on our Contributors sidebar. Your blog will also gain visibility via our e-mail digest and through your presence on the main page with posts. How do I become a participating blog in R Bloggers? To add your blog, simply click on Add your blog!http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your-blog/ and enter the required information. I will review your link and approve it in a timely fashion. How can I help? We share readers to gain readers! If you are interested and haven t already, please submit your blog http://www.r-bloggers.com/add-your- blog/. Also please consider putting *a link from your blog* to R-Bloggers from your sidebar (we do the same for you); you can even put up a post about us - if each blogger will do so - all of us will gain from it. Who started R-Bloggers (and way)? R Bloggers was started by Tal Galili http://talgalili.com/. After searching for numerous R blogs, Tal (well, me) decided that there must be more R blogs our there then he knows about, and maybe the best way for finding them is to make them find him. You can reach Tal via the Contacthttp://www.r-bloggers.com/contact-us/ page (or just e-mail him: tal.gal...@gmail.com). Extra thanks and a deceleration of good intentions I would like to thank John, Yihui, Jaanus and Taiyun for being the first bloggers to allow me to enlist their blogs to the project. There are more R bloggers out there that I know of, and didn't get to ask for permission. I apologies to you for not contacting you personally, still If you are one such blogger, and you want to join the site, please feel welcome to submit your
Re: [R] Announcing a new R news site: R-bloggers.com
Hi Romain, First - I'd like to say that you where one of the bloggers I wanted to e-mail and didn't get to it. I still remember our short session in useR 2009 where you showed me your plans for an R editor - I am still waiting to see it once it comes out. Regarding the rest of what you wrote, I'll reply to you in each section: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Romain Francois romain.franc...@dbmail.com wrote: On 12/05/2009 09:32 PM, Tal Galili wrote: 1) Planet R is limited (for years) to 26 feeds only, and I don't remember seeing it evolve to include (or allow inclusion) of new R blogs that came around. R: that's not quite true. If you send an email to the maintainer of planet R, he will add your feed (both my blog and r graph gallery was added this year for example). T:Thanks for the correction. Yet let's put this in context - I can't see on the planetR website (http://planetr.stderr.org/) any e-mail or link to contact. So for me, for example, I don't know how to add my own blog (What IS the e-mail of the maintainer ?) 2) The feeds are of blogs and non blogs (such as wiki or cran updates). That makes finding reading material inside it very difficult, since the site is cluttered with a lot of updates from cranbarries and the wiki. R: I see this as a good thing. In the program i use to read planet R (thunderbird) you can filter out things you are not interested about. T: But Romain, both planetR and R-bloggers are not meant for you, except as a source for feeds. What you are saying is that you don't use the interface either website offers, which is exactly my point. R: I have requested to be added to yours anyway, might be good for my pagerank. T: Cool, I just added you. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
