date:20100425

If I'm getting Positive Offset correctly...that would be pulsed DC.
The frequency of the DC pulse would then be an on/off [50/50 ? ]duty
cycle to allow those chemicals to migrate faster than they build up in the
skin causing chemical burns.
A slower pulse would build up more before the blood in surface
capillaries washes it in deeper and dilutes it...pretty much a matter of
comfort level.

Voltage doesn't matter, it's current delivered over an area [current
density again]
With a higher voltage, you can deliver more current over a smaller less
conductive area.
How much at a given voltage depends on the conductivity of the electrolyte
on the pads or how wet and salty your skin and the size of the electrodes
and how far apart they are on the body.
I'd like to see a variable resistor or a pulse width modulator that can go
to maybe a 20/80 duty cycle to get control of that over all current.

You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2 volts...or
no burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes are configured.

Ode

At 02:13 PM 4/24/2010 +0100, you wrote:
I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to
having the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1ahttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578dhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen

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Re: CSA closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector




  Depends on who made it and where and where it's used, for different reasons.
Chinese wallboard seems to grow mold in high humidity areas, Florida 
wallboard, *might* emit [ mold killing? ] radiation.
 The only way to tell is to get a Rad counter...and be your own judge 
about how much is too much for you.


Then move into a cinder block or stone house that emits more..or use 
paneling that out gasses Formaldehyde...or...


...foresee that you'll step in front of a carcinogen belching  bus in 10 
years and quit worrying yourself sick.


ode



At 01:36 PM 4/24/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Is gypsum dangerous in any way?

I know every home just about is full of it in the form of wallboard, but I 
live across the river from a gypsum plant where 300' ships arrive 
periodically and offload many tons of gypsum that they then turn into 
wallboard.  Any danger from that?


Dick


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Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall




   ##  because violence and death are natures way?
..and only *some* humans believe otherwise.

 Life in the wild is no walk in the park.

Ode


At 08:05 AM 4/24/2010 -0700, you wrote:
Remember it is the product of violence and death in some form.  I'm not 
against eating it...


Why not?


 Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote:

=
PT,

Yes meat, so long as it is grass fed organic meat, is ok for some as
long as it's in moderation.  That being said, in order to attain higher
spiritual planes meat must be avoided.  Remember it is the product of
violence and death in some form.  I'm not against eating it (I eat some fish
and organic chicken myself), but you should understand what the effects will
be.

Bob


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Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall




  Unless Mohammad had always been a manipulative two faced liar and 
changed his appearances as circumstances allowed him to and still survive.


..sorta like Jim Jones? [Hitler and Mussolini ? ]
..gotta watch those saviors
 They quite often show the face that works in a given time, gaming the 
circumstances.


Ode


At 12:30 PM 4/24/2010 -0400, you wrote:
It's called A Fall, it happens.  Mohammad early on was clearly inspired 
by the Most High. After his fall, he was clearly motivated by the lusts of 
flesh.  The early books of the Qu-ran are an amazingly positive, loving 
construct. The later things, are not so. Same with diets, and lifestyles, 
people can Slip into materialistic love from a higher prespective. It 
doesn't mean their early theories, or principles were false.



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Re: CSZapper

Just hook yourself up to a 6 or 9 volt battery with a pair of alligator
clip leads and take a break when you start feeling uncomfortable...or with
copper pipe pieces as electrodes, switch hands now and then.

Ode

At 02:11 PM 4/24/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Do you know the details of how the Don Croft zapper is made? I have
several Hulda Clark type zappers that I made and wouldn't mind
experimenting with something like this.

Actually, at this point I don't consider the Don Croft Zapper to be
the same sort of thing as the Hulda Clark zapper because, apparently,
he has crystals in line with the electrodes. If this means that the
wires are broken, and each end connects to the crystal, then there is
virtually no current traveling through this circuit. (Unless it means
that the wires are not broken, and are wrapped around the crystals or
run parallel to the crystals...)

People are very imprecise in their descriptions!... Mostly, they
don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have any idea
about what they don't know about it either.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote:
My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design. The subtle
energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
things.

We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I purchased
a second one! The second one is coming from Africa, not made by Don but by
someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, and I
want

to test effectiveness.

Kirsteen Wright wrote:

I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to
having

the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen

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Re: CSZapper

2010-04-25 Thread Peter Converse


Hey Bodhisattva and other interested folks,

Anyone have an opinion of or had experience with The Ultimate Zapper?

http://zap.intergate.ca/

Thanks,

Peter


- Original Message - 
From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: CSZapper



Agreed.  No broken wires in Don's Circuit.

My South African Made Don-Croft style arrived today. I like Don's personal 
ones better in my opinion, higher quality components and a cleaner design. 
But this one is a Backup, and should suffice when used in that capacity. 
Also this one doesn't have a very good piece of orgonite in it, the 
resin/metal matrix isn't nearly dense enough. MHD (Medium High Density) 
makes the best generic orgonite, this is Low Density, he also uses alum 
chips, copper or steel is a better choice.. I like the bigger contacts on 
Don's, and his wiring is very very clean compared to the one from South 
Africa. The upside, and it is a big one, it has straps on it so you can 
wear it around.  It has a aux-jack so you can use it to make highly 
charged Colloidal Silver.  These are two very n ice features.


Still, I am happy with the purchase as it was only $68.00, but I am also 
glad I have one made by Don.  It's sort of like if you have an BMW and 
Audi, both are nice cars, one just a bit better, but both will suffice 
especially when someone else is driving the better one.  If there is an 
Outbreak I want enough zapping power in the home that can handle the 
load of 5 people swapping it back and forth, you know?  Having just one 
seems to stretch it out, there are times when a couple of us want to use 
it at the same time.


Bob Banever wrote:

Dan,

 I have a recent Don Croft design zapper and I don't see any broken 
wires in it.  Some are wrapped around a magnet and the orgonite block is 
sitting on top of some wires as far as I can tell.


  Bob
- Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: CSZapper


Do you know the details of how the Don Croft zapper is made?  I have
several Hulda Clark type zappers that I made and wouldn't mind
experimenting with something like this.

Actually, at this point I don't consider the Don Croft Zapper to be
the same sort of thing as the Hulda Clark zapper because, apparently,
he has crystals in line with the electrodes.  If this means that the
wires are broken, and each end connects to the crystal, then there is
virtually no current traveling through this circuit.  (Unless it means
that the wires are not broken, and are wrapped around the crystals or
run parallel to the crystals...)

People are very imprecise in their descriptions!...  Mostly, they
don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have any idea
about what they don't know about it either.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com 
wrote:
My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design. The 
subtle

energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
things.

We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I 
purchased
a second one! The second one is coming from Africa, not made by Don but 
by
someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, and I 
want

to test effectiveness.


Kirsteen Wright wrote:


I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to 
having

the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen



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Re: CSZapper

2010-04-25 Thread MaryAnn Helland

So what I'm trying to figure out, with all of the information in these posts, 
is:  Is a Zapper the same thing, more or less, as a Godzilla?  I'm interested 
in the Zapper, but already have the Godzilla.  ???
MA





From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net


I don't think zappers actually electrify the blood.
What they do is manufacture electrochemical byproducts according to what pole 
is ionizing [??] salt at that location.
One pole Sodium Hydroxide, alkalizing there...the other Hypochlorus acid. 
[similar to MMS]
If I'm getting Positive Offset correctly...that would be pulsed DC.
The frequency of the DC pulse would then be an on/off [50/50 ? ]duty cycle to 
allow those chemicals to migrate faster than they build up in the skin causing 
chemical burns.
A slower pulse would build up more before the blood in surface capillaries 
washes it in deeper and dilutes it...pretty much a matter of comfort level.

Voltage doesn't matter, it's current delivered over an area [current density 
again]
With a higher voltage, you can deliver more current over a smaller less 
conductive area.
How much at a given voltage depends on the conductivity of the electrolyte on 
the pads or how wet and salty your skin and the size of the electrodes and how 
far apart they are on the body.
I'd like to see a variable resistor or a pulse width modulator that can go to 
maybe a 20/80 duty cycle to get control of that over all current.

You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2 volts...or no 
burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes are configured.



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Re: CSZapper

Hi

I'm thinking about getting this guy's zapper. I sent him an e-mail to
clarify what the difference is between his and Don Croft's. This fellow also
posts at curezone zapper forum. He is in USA but with 3,000+ sales he won't
screw up sending it to UK.

ebay---
http://cgi.ebay.com/Z4eX-EXTREME-3-Frequency-Hulda-Clark-Zapper-/160419099179?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2559b9322b

at curezone he is zapperguy 
http://curezone.com/forums/s.asp?f=762c=0ob=dm=ZAPPERGUY


regards,
g










On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Kirsteen Wright 
kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between these
 two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having the
 dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

 and


 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

 I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

 Any advice would be really welcome

 Cheers
 Kirsteen




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Re: CSZapper

Hi
The genius of the Don Croft zapper is that it's kind of idiot proof and
very wearable with the embedded copper contacts. Some wear it all day when
in a jam. Croft climbed over a psychological barrier. The classic zapper has
copper handles to spread out the electric but you will just use it in a
session. You won't wear it for hours unless..

You take the initiative to cut two copper discs and tape them to yourself.
Use those as electrodes. But then you are ripping tape off yourself
(unpleasant) to move the electrodes to a new spot. With the Croft you can
move it at a moment's notice. The Croft has orgonite inside and other
hoopla. These are subtle energy enhancements. Do they really to enhance the
zapper? I don't know.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.netwrote:

I don't think zappers actually electrify the blood.
What they do is manufacture electrochemical byproducts according to what
pole is ionizing [??] salt at that location.
One pole Sodium Hydroxide, alkalizing there...the other Hypochlorus acid.
[similar to MMS]
If I'm getting Positive Offset correctly...that would be pulsed DC.
The frequency of the DC pulse would then be an on/off [50/50 ? ]duty
cycle to allow those chemicals to migrate faster than they build up in the
skin causing chemical burns.
A slower pulse would build up more before the blood in surface capillaries
washes it in deeper and dilutes it...pretty much a matter of comfort level.

You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2 volts...or
no burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes are configured.

Ode

At 02:13 PM 4/24/2010 +0100, you wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen

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Re: CSZapper

2010-04-25 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

I'm so sorry to hear this Kirsteen, I do hope you are better now.  Are you 
taking the liposomal Vit C at all?  dee

On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:42, Kirsteen Wright wrote:

 To be honest I think I actually joined this site a while ago. However I've 
 been really ill lately, in fact bedbound so I was hoping to get something 
 already made up to save the effort. Even if I want to make something I need 
 to hunt down the parts to get them delivered and I have so very very little 
 energy at the moment. Did you think these looked ok?
 
 Cheers
 Kirsteen
 


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Re: CSZapper

2010-04-25 Thread Del

I purchased a Godzilla zapper from V, and got some pretty good burns on my skin
from it.
I have read a lot about people getting burns from the Croft zapper as well.
I was never able to solve this problem and finally gave up on the zapper bit.
Probably due to my ignorance, but I did follow instructions.

Del
- Original Message -
From: Garrick
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: CSZapper

Hi
The genius of the Don Croft zapper is that it's kind of idiot proof and
very wearable with the embedded copper contacts. Some wear it all day when in a
jam. Croft climbed over a psychological barrier. The classic zapper has copper
handles to spread out the electric but you will just use it in a session. You
won't wear it for hours unless..

You take the initiative to cut two copper discs and tape them to yourself.
Use those as electrodes. But then you are ripping tape off yourself
(unpleasant) to move the electrodes to a new spot. With the Croft you can move
it at a moment's notice. The Croft has orgonite inside and other hoopla. These
are subtle energy enhancements. Do they really to enhance the zapper? I don't
know.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote:

Voltage doesn't matter, it's current delivered over an area [current
density again]
With a higher voltage, you can deliver more current over a smaller less
conductive area.
How much at a given voltage depends on the conductivity of the electrolyte
on the pads or how wet and salty your skin and the size of the electrodes and
how far apart they are on the body.
I'd like to see a variable resistor or a pulse width modulator that can go
to maybe a 20/80 duty cycle to get control of that over all current.

You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2 volts...or
no burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes are configured.

Ode

At 02:13 PM 4/24/2010 +0100, you wrote:

and

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen

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people?

Re: CSZapper

http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com/order.html Don croft linked to this
basic wearable zapper he approves of

$26 includes shipping but does not have the subtle energy enhancements of
the Croft -

http://www.ctbusters.com/cart/thebasiczapper-p-65.html

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Garrick zzen...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.netwrote:

I don't think zappers actually electrify the blood.
What they do is manufacture electrochemical byproducts according to what
pole is ionizing [??] salt at that location.
One pole Sodium Hydroxide, alkalizing there...the other Hypochlorus acid.
[similar to MMS]
If I'm getting Positive Offset correctly...that would be pulsed DC.
The frequency of the DC pulse would then be an on/off [50/50 ? ]duty
cycle to allow those chemicals to migrate faster than they build up in the
skin causing chemical burns.
A slower pulse would build up more before the blood in surface
capillaries washes it in deeper and dilutes it...pretty much a matter of
comfort level.

You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2 volts...or
no burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes are configured.

Ode

At 02:13 PM 4/24/2010 +0100, you wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen

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Re: CSFw: RESEND - Straight Talk with Jim Humble Newsletter 11

2010-04-25 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Thanks for this Steve.  dee

On 25 Apr 2010, at 02:56, Norton, Steve wrote:

 Smitty,
 FYI
 
 From: mmsn...@mmsnews.org mmsn...@mmsnews.org 
 To: Norton, Steve 
 Sent: Sat Apr 24 20:43:52 2010
 Subject: RESEND - Straight Talk with Jim Humble Newsletter 11 
 
  
 


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Re: CSZapper

2010-04-25 Thread MaryAnn Helland

Really Del?  I'm sorry to hear that.  I have one of V's Godzillas too -- and 
have never gotten any burns.  Must admit, though, I use a very low frequency 
because if I get it too high, it *bites*.  Could it be that your setting is too 
high?  Or that you left it on too long without switching polarity?
MA





From: Del d...@altsystem.com


I purchased a Godzilla zapper from V, and got some pretty good burns on my skin 
from it.
I have read a lot about people getting burns from the Croft zapper as well.
I was never able to solve this problem and finally gave up on the zapper bit.
Probably due to my ignorance, but I did follow instructions.

Re: CSZapper

2010-04-25 Thread Bob Banever

Del,

You either left the electrodes on your skin too long or you turned the 
device up to high.  Either way using CS and aloe should solve the problem 
sooner rather than later.  What did you use the divice for?   A Godzilla isn't 
the same thing as a zapper.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:59 AM
  Subject: Re: CSZapper


  Really Del?  I'm sorry to hear that.  I have one of V's Godzillas too -- and 
have never gotten any burns.  Must admit, though, I use a very low frequency 
because if I get it too high, it *bites*.  Could it be that your setting is too 
high?  Or that you left it on too long without switching polarity?
  MA




--
  From: Del d...@altsystem.com


  I purchased a Godzilla zapper from V, and got some pretty good burns on my 
skin from it.
  I have read a lot about people getting burns from the Croft zapper as well.
  I was never able to solve this problem and finally gave up on the zapper bit.
  Probably due to my ignorance, but I did follow instructions.

Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

Hi
I'm sure you know tons more about the world's religions than I do
The early peaceful verses of the Koran that you list are from the Meccan
period of Muhammad. When he preached and preached but gained few followers.
In 622AD Muhammad made his great hejira to Mecca with the few adherents he
had. Heijira means flight and is the title of that old Joni Mitchell album.
Muhammad fled to Medina and this is where he gained followers and became the
great warlord. This part of the Koran has the verses about conquering and
subduing infidels. To confound anyones research the Koran is not in
chronological order. So you will find peaceful Meccan verses near militant
Medina verses

Muhammad amassed an army and many followers in Medina. One could say he
preached peace when he was weak but preached war when he got much stronger.
The Koran is very contradictory. More so than any old and new Testament. The
real kicker is the later aggressive Medina verses abrogate the earlier
peaceful Meccan verses. You can go google the Islamic principle of
abrogation. When Osama Bin Ladin dropped the WTC towers he cited the later
Koranic verses to justify it. In most of Bin Ladin's messages he cites the
Koranic verses that justify his actions. And like I said, these later verses
are superior to the early Meccan verses. They get the last word in any
debate on the Koran. Tim McVeigh is inarticulately called a Christian
terrorist. But never once did he refer to the Bible or cite it for his
actions. Not in court, not anywhere

My 2 cents,
Garrick




*
It's called A Fall, it happens.  Mohammad early on was clearly inspired by
the Most High. After his fall, he was clearly motivated by the lusts of
flesh.  The early books of the Qu-ran are an amazingly positive, loving
construct. The later things, are not so. Same with diets, and lifestyles,
people can Slip into materialistic love from a higher prespective. It
doesn't mean their early theories, or principles were false.

In the early books you'll find gems such as this;

1. Respect and honor all human beings irrespective of their religion, color,
race, sex, language, status, property, birth, profession/job and so on
[17/70]
2. Talk straight, to the point, without any ambiguity or deception [33/70]
3. Choose best words to speak and say them in the best possible way [17/53,
2/83]
4. Do not shout. Speak politely keeping your voice low. [31/19]
5. Always speak the truth. Shun words that are deceitful and ostentatious
[22/30]
6. Do not confound truth with falsehood [2/42]
7. Say with your mouth what is in your heart [3/167]
8. Speak in a civilized manner in a language that is recognised by the
society and is commonly used [4/5]
9. When you voice an opinion, be just, even if it is against a relative
[6/152]
10. Do not be a bragging boaster [31/18]
11. Do not talk, listen or do anything vain [23/3, 28/55]
12. Do not participate in any paltry. If you pass near a futile play, then
pass by with dignity [25/72]
13. Do not verge upon any immodesty or lewdness whether surreptitious or
overt [6/151].
14. If, unintentionally, any misconduct occurs by you, then correct yourself
expeditiously [3/134].
15. Do not be contemptuous or arrogant with people [31/18]
16. Do not walk haughtily or with conceit [17/37, 31/18]
17. Be moderate in thy pace [31/19]
18. Walk with humility and sedateness [25/63]
19. Keep your gazes lowered devoid of any lecherous leers and salacious
stares [24/30-31, 40/19].
20. If you do not have complete knowledge about anything, better keep your
mouth shut. You might think that speaking about something without full
knowledge is a trivial matter. But it might have grave consequences
[24/15-16]*









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people?

Re: CSZapper

2010-04-25 Thread Del

Used it on my wrist for blood electrification.  Kept the current between 0.5 
and 0.75.  Have it on the 30 second alternating cycle.  I keep the electrodes, 
which are strapped to either side of my wrist with rubber bands, wet by 
periodically using a dropper of cs mixed with baking soda.   In fifteen to 
twenty minutes, skin gets red, very irritated, and itches like crazy.  I have 
to stop at that point.  Not sure of any positive effects.  

Tried it on a bad tooth, electrodes on either side of the gum.  Kept it there 
quite a while, but did not help.  Tooth too far gone, I think.  Tooth is now no 
more.  Replaced with titanium implant.  No more infection.  Glad to be rid of 
it.  

Still chewing.

Del
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Banever 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:34 AM
  Subject: Re: CSZapper


  Del,

  You either left the electrodes on your skin too long or you turned the 
device up to high.  Either way using CS and aloe should solve the problem 
sooner rather than later.  What did you use the divice for?   A Godzilla isn't 
the same thing as a zapper.

  Bob
- Original Message - 
From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: CSZapper


Really Del?  I'm sorry to hear that.  I have one of V's Godzillas too -- 
and have never gotten any burns.  Must admit, though, I use a very low 
frequency because if I get it too high, it *bites*.  Could it be that your 
setting is too high?  Or that you left it on too long without switching 
polarity?
MA





From: Del d...@altsystem.com


I purchased a Godzilla zapper from V, and got some pretty good burns on my 
skin from it.
I have read a lot about people getting burns from the Croft zapper as well.
I was never able to solve this problem and finally gave up on the zapper 
bit.
Probably due to my ignorance, but I did follow instructions.

Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

2010-04-25 Thread sol


Garrick wrote:


Hi
I'm sure you know tons more about the world's religions than I do
The early peaceful verses of the Koran that you list are from the 
Meccan period of Muhammad. When he preached and preached but gained 
few followers.
Muhammad amassed an army and many followers in Medina. One could say 
he preached peace when he was weak but preached war when he got much 
stronger. 
My thought is that all religions may start out one way, but they morph 
to match the culture they exist in. Otherwise they'd quickly die and 
vanish.

sol


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Re: CSZapper

2010-04-25 Thread Sam L.

Never use salt or baking soda to wet electrodes unless you want burns. Plain
tap water-distilled water or CS. You skin has enough salt to conduct just
fine.

Sam l

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Del d...@altsystem.com wrote:

  Used it on my wrist for blood electrification.  Kept the current between
 0.5 and 0.75.  Have it on the 30 second alternating cycle.  I keep the
 electrodes, which are strapped to either side of my wrist with rubber bands,
 wet by periodically using a dropper of cs mixed with baking soda.   In
 fifteen to twenty minutes, skin gets red, very irritated, and itches like
 crazy.  I have to stop at that point.  Not sure of any positive effects.

 Tried it on a bad tooth, electrodes on either side of the gum.  Kept it
 there quite a while, but did not help.  Tooth too far gone, I think.  Tooth
 is now no more.  Replaced with titanium implant.  No more infection.  Glad
 to be rid of it.

 Still chewing.

 Del

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:34 AM
 *Subject:* Re: CSZapper

 Del,

 You either left the electrodes on your skin too long or you turned the
 device up to high.  Either way using CS and aloe should solve the problem
 sooner rather than later.  What did you use the divice for?   A Godzilla
 isn't the same thing as a zapper.

 Bob

 - Original Message -
 *From:* MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:59 AM
 *Subject:* Re: CSZapper

  Really Del?  I'm sorry to hear that.  I have one of V's Godzillas too --
 and have never gotten any burns.  Must admit, though, I use a very low
 frequency because if I get it too high, it *bites*.  Could it be that your
 setting is too high?  Or that you left it on too long without switching
 polarity?
 MA

  --
 *From:* Del d...@altsystem.com

 I purchased a Godzilla zapper from V, and got some pretty good burns on my
 skin from it.
 I have read a lot about people getting burns from the Croft zapper as well.
 I was never able to solve this problem and finally gave up on the zapper
 bit.
 Probably due to my ignorance, but I did follow instructions.











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A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to
take
everything you have.

Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

2010-04-25 Thread Sandy

I'm pretty sure this is a verboten subject on the CS list and apologies to Mike 
in advance but you can hold McVeigh higher in esteem than bin Laden, Garrick 
because as you claim he did not quote scripture but IMHO he was just as bad as 
bin Laden, I do not care if he quoted bible scripture or not.

I've never heard McVeigh called a Christian terrorist but have heard him called 
a domestic terrorist which of course, is what he was.

Sandy


--- On Sun, 4/25/10, Garrick zzen...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Garrick zzen...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 12:07 PM

When Osama Bin Ladin dropped the WTC towers he cited the later Koranic verses 
to justify it. In most of Bin Ladin's messages he cites the Koranic verses that 
justify his actions. And like I said, these later verses are superior to the 
early Meccan verses. They get the last word in any debate on the Koran. Tim 
McVeigh is inarticulately called a Christian terrorist. But never once did he 
refer to the Bible or cite it for his actions. Not in court, not anywhere


My 2 cents,
Garrick

Re: CSZapper

2010-04-25 Thread Peter Converse

Hi Del,

You're not alone. A friend of mine with a Godzilla by V also put some nasty 
burns on his wrist. This is not meant to criticize V's work though which is 
respected among his peers. The same thing can happen with any Godzilla if 
you're not careful.

I have learned through my own experimentation with a homemade Godzilla used at 
varying voltages, ranging from 4.5 to 9V that changing locations of the 
electrodes slightly on the same wrist or switching from one wrist to another 
from time to time helps to minimize burning. Once you get a Godzilla burn it 
takes a very long time to completely heal and precludes any further 
experimentation on that same location for some time.

As Ode pointed out, current density is very important. You can manipulate this 
by changing the size of your electrodes...larger electrodes yield lower current 
density at the same given voltage compared to a set of smaller electrodes. The 
current does not have to be high to work. More is not necessarily better and 
can even be undesireable in some cases. Sensitive tissues can't tolerate higher 
voltages, for one thing.

Warnings about using anything heftier than 6 Volts are given by the group 
moderator of Microelecticitygermkiller because there have been cases of people 
(not on that group as far as I know) who have had heart attacks, probably from 
a preexisting heart condition, after licking the contacts of a 9V battery to 
test for enough juice. In light of that, he is advising experimenters to stay 
with 6 volts so nobody drops dead while using his idea. That advice is good.

That said, I have a good heart and have experimented with 9 volts using the 
same size electrodes that I used with 4.5 and 6 V and had no subsequent heart 
related issues resulting from it. I do like the extra power sometimes which 
allows me to up my electrode sizes for some applications but I have found that 
a little more caution and attention is needed to avoid burns at this voltage 
when using the smaller electrodes. Sticking with 6V is much easier and involves 
less complications for the beginner or anyone concerned that they may have a 
heart weakness of any sort.

Do these things work? To some extent seem to; for certain issues they are 
reported to work very well, for others they may not accomplish much. I had a 
friend come over who is dealing with parasitic poblems and he used my Godzilla 
for about twenty minutes. He almost passed out on my couch from the die-off 
reaction he got from it. I couldn't believe it! He became very drowsy and toxic 
and this lasted for a big portion of his day. The next day he bought the stuff 
to make his own. He is still dealing with his parasites though, 2 years later, 
after using the Godzilla and many other things, including heavy pharma meds. 
Some people report very good results for dental infections.

I have found, personally, that for a systemic bacterial infection the Godziller 
produced positive effect and caused die-off but for a systemic virus nothing 
resulted at all...not sure why. More than the Godzilla was needed, however, to 
bring the systemic bacterial infection under control due to its depth in the 
tissues. I have the idea that it cleared out the blood very effectively though 
which is much better than nothing. For a newly emerging bacterial infection, my 
guess is that it may be enough to complete the job or speed up the process 
before it finds its way through the body, if added to some other anivirals such 
as herbs.

hope this helps,

Peter


- Original Message - 
  From: Del 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:24 AM
  Subject: Re: CSZapper


  I purchased a Godzilla zapper from V, and got some pretty good burns on my 
skin from it.
  I have read a lot about people getting burns from the Croft zapper as well.
  I was never able to solve this problem and finally gave up on the zapper bit.
  Probably due to my ignorance, but I did follow instructions.

  Del

Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

You said about Michio Kushi---
*Yes, he also smoked and ate alot of garbage in his later years.  I
could never understand his smoking... must have smoked two packs a day.
Nevertheless, his teachings were and are true.*

Kushi said he could smoke with impunity because smoking residues only stayed
in the lungs if you ate dairy products and meat which made the lungs sticky
like fly paper catching flies. He is was mostly correct. You go to China and
Japan and you will find less lung cancer and men there smoke more than in
America and Europe. They eat very little dairy there which is the major
sticky culprit. Anyone with lung problems should eliminate dairy or cut back
90% and see how they feel. My grandfather smoked and lived to 94 so everyone
is different on this.


G





On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:11 PM, slickpic...@cox.net wrote:

 Bob:

 If his teachings were true (and I'm not saying they're not), it seems that
 their positive effects would have resulted in ongoing adherence to his own
 philosophies.


  Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote:

 =
 slick,

 Yes, he also smoked and ate alot of garbage in his later years.  I
 could never understand his smoking... must have smoked two packs a day.
 Nevertheless, his teachings were and are true.




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Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

2010-04-25 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Which just goes to show that all religions are man made and should be avoided 
like the plague!  Sorry Mike.  dee

On 25 Apr 2010, at 18:07, Garrick wrote:

 
 Hi
 I'm sure you know tons more about the world's religions than I do
 The early peaceful verses of the Koran that you list are from the Meccan 
 period of Muhammad. When he preached and preached but gained few followers. 
 In 622AD Muhammad made his great hejira to Mecca with the few adherents he 
 had. Heijira means flight and is the title of that old Joni Mitchell album. 
 Muhammad fled to Medina and this is where he gained followers and became the 
 great warlord. This part of the Koran has the verses about conquering and 
 subduing infidels. To confound anyones research the Koran is not in 
 chronological order. So you will find peaceful Meccan verses near militant 
 Medina verses
 


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Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

After studying hundreds of spiritual documents and doctrines, I find the 
core central truth is there, and is basically the same among a whole lot 
of the non-left handed path doctrines. I believe it is those core truths 
that are the actual truths, and those core truths are the most simple, 
basic things, without any parables needed, you know?  Such as Love, Be 
kind, Respect Others and Creation, Law of Reciprocity, etc.


Also don't discount dark forces, they can impede a lot of pure doctrines 
or mess up a person promoting them. I think it was Joseph in the Bible 
that illustrated this point quite well when he said in Romans /*So I 
find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at 
hand.*/.  That may be what he was referring to, in that they never 
really give up, and are waiting for your weaknesses to be exposed. This 
certain would help explain priests that molest children, or Christian 
Evangelicals that pick up prostitutes. Once  you accept the mantle, 
there is no turning back, from that point forward you are in warrior 
mode, or you've lost.


There are countless examples of this Fall.. Lynn Grabhorn wrote one of 
the most gorgeous, life affirmative books. But later she wrote a 
depressing, dark, and emotionally draining book of hopelessness against 
evil. Culminating with her own serious emotional/physical illness, and 
suicide.  Mother Theresa was filled with love and grace, but for long 
periods of time struggled with doubt of faith, and her own dark times. 
(Dark Night of the Soul)  Anyone on the path will find something very 
common, they can't damage you spiritually, but they will try their best 
to hurt you physically.


It's a treacherous path at times..  If you beat your wife and kids, go 
to the bar every night, hate your life, hate God, and hate creation, 
then 'they' really don't care much about you, you've ruined yourself and 
you automatically screw up all of the energy around you.  Your soul is 
asleep, you won't help anyone, and you'll be serving their agenda. If 
you take up the armor of God, and carry the Shield of Grace,  and Sword 
of Divine Power, then while you exist physically you are a soldier for 
the Most High. The more you do, the more protection and power you are 
given,  you become extremely valuable to the powers of good, a whole lot 
of things converge on you to ensure your path is reasonably clear of 
obstructions and malefic forces are placed in stasis.


Many Christians seem to have this view they cannot be influenced or 
possessed by Evil. In my experience this is absolutely not true.  They 
sometimes also have the view that they should Do nothing, wait for 
Christ, in my experience this is absolutely not true. I meet Christians 
all of the time with many energies and entities in their fields, and 
they are often in denial of the existence of Demons and their own power 
over them. As such, they can be the most heavily oppressed people I have 
met, and trying to educate them of this is often a lost cause. It's 
difficult to bear witness to it.


I feel orgonite is a valuable tool, similar to how a mechanic has his 
tools.  Orgonite raises the bar just enough that we can take our focus 
off constant defense, and work toward helping ourselves evolve 
spiritually, and helping others around us have healthier/safer and 
happier lives. I consider it a paramount tool in this regard, far 
surpassing crosses, holy water, and incense the churches so revere. For 
everyday folks its a no brainer, but a spiritually evolved warrior 
probably doesn't need it, but would /still/ benefit from it. A lot of my 
customers are Spiritual adepts, Christians, Yogas, and peopel I would 
consider Saints.  Every good warrior has a shield.


Garrick wrote:


Hi
I'm sure you know tons more about the world's religions than I do
The early peaceful verses of the Koran that you list are from the 
Meccan period of Muhammad. When he preached and preached but gained 
few followers. In 622AD Muhammad made his great hejira to Mecca with 
the few adherents he had. Heijira means flight and is the title of 
that old Joni Mitchell album. Muhammad fled to Medina and this is 
where he gained followers and became the great warlord. This part of 
the Koran has the verses about conquering and subduing infidels. To 
confound anyones research the Koran is not in chronological order. So 
you will find peaceful Meccan verses near militant Medina verses


Muhammad amassed an army and many followers in Medina. One could say 
he preached peace when he was weak but preached war when he got much 
stronger. The Koran is very contradictory. More so than any old and 
new Testament. The real kicker is the later aggressive Medina verses 
abrogate the earlier peaceful Meccan verses. You can go google the 
Islamic principle of abrogation. When Osama Bin Ladin dropped the WTC 
towers he cited the later Koranic verses to justify it. In most of Bin 
Ladin's messages he cites the Koranic verses that justify

Re: CSZapper

These are good tools to drop the viral/bacterial loads in your body down 
to levels your immune system can take off. That's been my experience 
over the last decade or so messing with them. I do find the Croft 
version, with the subtle enhancements, a bit more effective than the 
others I have tried, but the others will still Do the job I would suspect.
The real gift is the mounted electrodes. I find myself wearing a zapper 
around at times.


On a more esoteric note - and I realize this may be out of the spectrum 
of experience/belief for some. I found old documents from a pretty adept 
spiritual guy 50ish years ago. He said he discovered small Charges 
dumped unseen energy attachments off a human energy field. I wish I 
could find the link, he's passed away now. But he may have been the 
first person to link the functions of these types of gear as being 
related to unseen subtle attachments. I guess this may be part of the 
basis for Shock Therapy, and why it actually works for some people. =-O


I've found immense benefit boosting the human energy field out to a 
larger radius. Most people are pretty degraded chemically, physically, 
and mentally to the point their energy fields are like swiss cheese, and 
are quite small.  This affords a poor shield from unseen things. I've 
had some amazing experiences boosting someones force field to say 
several feet. I believe people in the past had immense energy fields, 
and as a result were probably pretty Tuned in to the world around them 
- and grace, and probably much less vulnerable to a lot of stuff, you 
know?  Because of my work, I find benefit in keeping my field between 
30-50 feet in diameter, and have had psychics verify this. It's not a 
guarantee, it just helps a whole lot. If one wants to explore the 
methods behind this, let me know. Don't worry it's not complicated, it's 
not some kind of ritual or any of that useless rubbish.


I knew a Qigong master years ago, he told one one time he had to ride a 
bus into town, and about 10 people were on the cell phone inside a metal 
bus. He said it took virtually all of his energy to keep his energy 
field up and intact that he was physically, mentally, and spiritually 
degraded by the time he reached his destination.  I don't have anything 
to do with Qigong (and never tried it), but I found his stories very 
interesting in relation to energy fields and the stuff that is 
detrimental to them. Funny thing, this guy was 4'8, about 110pounds, at 
the time I was a 6'4 body builder, about 225 of pure steel, this guy 
could destroy me in any test of strength, not even close, I couldn't 
compare. This was my first introduction to energy, especially the harm 
of man-made microwaves and their hidden agenda.


Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Del,
 
You're not alone. A friend of mine with a Godzilla by V also put some 
nasty burns on his wrist. This is not meant to criticize V's work 
though which is respected among his peers. The same thing can happen 
with any Godzilla if you're not careful.
 
I have learned through my own experimentation with a homemade Godzilla 
used at varying voltages, ranging from 4.5 to 9V that changing 
locations of the electrodes slightly on the same wrist or switching 
from one wrist to another from time to time helps to minimize burning. 
Once you get a Godzilla burn it takes a very long time to completely 
heal and precludes any further experimentation on that same location 
for some time.
 
As Ode pointed out, current density is very important. You can 
manipulate this by changing the size of your electrodes...larger 
electrodes yield lower current density at the same 
given voltage compared to a set of smaller electrodes. The current 
does not have to be high to work. More is not necessarily better and 
can even be undesireable in some cases. Sensitive tissues can't 
tolerate higher voltages, for one thing.
 
Warnings about using anything heftier than 6 Volts are given by the 
group moderator of Microelecticitygermkiller because there have been 
cases of people (not on that group as far as I know) who have had 
heart attacks, probably from a preexisting heart condition, after 
licking the contacts of a 9V battery to test for enough juice. In 
light of that, he is advising experimenters to stay with 6 volts so 
nobody drops dead while using his idea. That advice is good.
 
That said, I have a good heart and have experimented with 9 volts 
using the same size electrodes that I used with 4.5 and 6 V and had no 
subsequent heart related issues resulting from it. I do like the extra 
power sometimes which allows me to up my electrode sizes for some 
applications but I have found that a little more caution and attention 
is needed to avoid burns at this voltage when using the smaller 
electrodes. Sticking with 6V is much easier and involves less 
complications for the beginner or anyone concerned that they may have 
a heart weakness of any sort.
 
Do these things work? To some extent seem to;

Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

2010-04-25 Thread Bob Banever

I didn't hear George Bush or Dick Cheney cite any verses from the Koran or the 
Bible.  Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11... he said so himself.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Garrick 
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  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:07 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

  Hi
  I'm sure you know tons more about the world's religions than I do
  The early peaceful verses of the Koran that you list are from the Meccan 
period of Muhammad. When he preached and preached but gained few followers. In 
622AD Muhammad made his great hejira to Mecca with the few adherents he had. 
Heijira means flight and is the title of that old Joni Mitchell album. Muhammad 
fled to Medina and this is where he gained followers and became the great 
warlord. This part of the Koran has the verses about conquering and subduing 
infidels. To confound anyones research the Koran is not in chronological order. 
So you will find peaceful Meccan verses near militant Medina verses

  Muhammad amassed an army and many followers in Medina. One could say he 
preached peace when he was weak but preached war when he got much stronger. The 
Koran is very contradictory. More so than any old and new Testament. The real 
kicker is the later aggressive Medina verses abrogate the earlier peaceful 
Meccan verses. You can go google the Islamic principle of abrogation. When 
Osama Bin Ladin dropped the WTC towers he cited the later Koranic verses to 
justify it. In most of Bin Ladin's messages he cites the Koranic verses that 
justify his actions. And like I said, these later verses are superior to the 
early Meccan verses. They get the last word in any debate on the Koran. Tim 
McVeigh is inarticulately called a Christian terrorist. But never once did he 
refer to the Bible or cite it for his actions. Not in court, not anywhere

  My 2 cents,
  Garrick

  It's called A Fall, it happens.  Mohammad early on was clearly inspired by 
the Most High. After his fall, he was clearly motivated by the lusts of flesh.  
The early books of the Qu-ran are an amazingly positive, loving construct. The 
later things, are not so. Same with diets, and lifestyles, people can Slip 
into materialistic love from a higher prespective. It doesn't mean their early 
theories, or principles were false.

  In the early books you'll find gems such as this;

  1. Respect and honor all human beings irrespective of their religion, color, 
race, sex, language, status, property, birth, profession/job and so on [17/70]
  2. Talk straight, to the point, without any ambiguity or deception [33/70]
  3. Choose best words to speak and say them in the best possible way [17/53, 
2/83]
  4. Do not shout. Speak politely keeping your voice low. [31/19]
  5. Always speak the truth. Shun words that are deceitful and ostentatious 
[22/30]
  6. Do not confound truth with falsehood [2/42]
  7. Say with your mouth what is in your heart [3/167]
  8. Speak in a civilized manner in a language that is recognised by the 
society and is commonly used [4/5]
  9. When you voice an opinion, be just, even if it is against a relative 
[6/152]
  10. Do not be a bragging boaster [31/18]
  11. Do not talk, listen or do anything vain [23/3, 28/55]
  12. Do not participate in any paltry. If you pass near a futile play, then 
pass by with dignity [25/72]
  13. Do not verge upon any immodesty or lewdness whether surreptitious or 
overt [6/151].
  14. If, unintentionally, any misconduct occurs by you, then correct yourself 
expeditiously [3/134].
  15. Do not be contemptuous or arrogant with people [31/18]
  16. Do not walk haughtily or with conceit [17/37, 31/18]
  17. Be moderate in thy pace [31/19]
  18. Walk with humility and sedateness [25/63]
  19. Keep your gazes lowered devoid of any lecherous leers and salacious 
stares [24/30-31, 40/19].
  20. If you do not have complete knowledge about anything, better keep your 
mouth shut. You might think that speaking about something without full 
knowledge is a trivial matter. But it might have grave consequences [24/15-16] 

  -- 

  Gurdjieff-- How can you expect fairness and decency on a planet of sleeping 
people?

Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

2010-04-25 Thread Marshall Dudley

I think there is a lot more to McVeigh than meets the eye.  He was 
undoubtedly a part of a false flag project, but his role is unclear, 
other than fall guy (He was trained by the army in explosives).  There 
is overwhelming evidence that the small explosion he set off in the 
street did little or no damage (it did not even break many of the 
windows of the building across the street, and that they building was 
brought down by planted army explosives inside the building (which 
exploded approximately 1 second after the street explosion), which 
McVeigh did not plant.  Even more curious, even though this evidence was 
known by McVeigh and his defense team, they choose to not present it at 
all, and McVeigh accepted the death penalty without ever saying what 
really took place.  I suspect that his family and/or loved ones were 
threatened if he refused to be the fall guy, so he kept quiet about 
everything.


Marshall

Sandy wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is a verboten subject on the CS list and 
apologies to Mike in advance but you can hold McVeigh higher in esteem 
than bin Laden, Garrick because as you claim he did not quote 
scripture but IMHO he was just as bad as bin Laden, I do not care if 
he quoted bible scripture or not.


I've never heard McVeigh called a Christian terrorist but have heard 
him called a domestic terrorist which of course, is what he was.


Sandy


--- On *Sun, 4/25/10, Garrick /zzen...@gmail.com/* wrote:


From: Garrick zzen...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 12:07 PM

When Osama Bin Ladin dropped the WTC towers he cited the later
Koranic verses to justify it. In most of Bin Ladin's messages he
cites the Koranic verses that justify his actions. And like I
said, these later verses are superior to the early Meccan verses.
They get the last word in any debate on the Koran. Tim McVeigh is
inarticulately called a Christian terrorist. But never once did he
refer to the Bible or cite it for his actions. Not in court, not
anywhere

My 2 cents,
Garrick









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Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

2010-04-25 Thread slickpicker

He is was mostly correct. You go to China and Japan and you will find less 
lung cancer and men there smoke more than in America and Europe.

A more widely-circulated theory on this is that it's due to their regular 
consumption of green tea.


 Garrick zzen...@gmail.com wrote: 

=
You said about Michio Kushi---
*Yes, he also smoked and ate alot of garbage in his later years.  I
could never understand his smoking... must have smoked two packs a day.
Nevertheless, his teachings were and are true.*

Kushi said he could smoke with impunity because smoking residues only stayed
in the lungs if you ate dairy products and meat which made the lungs sticky
like fly paper catching flies. He is was mostly correct. You go to China and
Japan and you will find less lung cancer and men there smoke more than in
America and Europe. They eat very little dairy there which is the major
sticky culprit. Anyone with lung problems should eliminate dairy or cut back
90% and see how they feel. My grandfather smoked and lived to 94 so everyone
is different on this.


G





On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:11 PM, slickpic...@cox.net wrote:

 Bob:

 If his teachings were true (and I'm not saying they're not), it seems that
 their positive effects would have resulted in ongoing adherence to his own
 philosophies.


  Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote:

 =
 slick,

 Yes, he also smoked and ate alot of garbage in his later years.  I
 could never understand his smoking... must have smoked two packs a day.
 Nevertheless, his teachings were and are true.




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Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall

Can of worms.. But now that you mention it.  Discernment is very 
important, they attempt to change things, but ultimately they seem to be 
losing the ability to use their black magick to spin things the way they 
want. Wonder if their power is fading, and we're seeing a sense of 
desperation?


There was a whole lot of funky stuff about the Fort Hood operation as 
well.  Arabic Patsy to fuel the profit engine of fake terrorism and 
unethical wars? Or an agenda targeted directly at our heroes in uniform? 
(public distrust, etc) You can find early reports from the Commander on 
base that they have killed 1 shooter, with 2 remaining. Some reported 
witnessing a couple of men dressed in fatigues in a car shooting as 
well. I brought this up to people at the time, and was blown off about 
it all. Here is one of the dozens of reports from top brass..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDI8vmO8uPM
There were several individuals involved, and we tracked them to an 
adjacent facility, one of them has been killed


Also what about that recent failed underwear thing?  Did you know many 
witnesses said they saw a Sharp Dressed Govt. Official get the patsy 
on the plane through security? The official was carrying the device, the 
patsy had some sparklers in his pants, but if it went according to plan, 
nobody would have known that.

http://www.mahalo.com/kurt-haskell

Folks, in my opinion we're being lied to /*FEROCIOUSLY*/, and probably 
have for quite some time. These people are playing sick games with our 
heads, and I recommend rising above it, and seeking spiritual resolution 
to physical reality, which will put you, your power, and your destiny 
above all of this rubbish.  The truth will come out, and the truth will 
set all of us free.  The meek are inheriting the earth in my opinion, 
and the liars are being exposed.  They seem to be messing with reality 
on the unseen level, and I suspect the Most High and powers of good will 
not tolerate this much longer.


How does one make this mistake unless something planned, didn't happen 
as planned? 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/16/french-railway-mistakenly_n_501213.html
French Railway MISTAKENLY Announces Train Explosion, 102 Dead



Marshall Dudley wrote:
I think there is a lot more to McVeigh than meets the eye.  He was 
undoubtedly a part of a false flag project, but his role is unclear, 
other than fall guy (He was trained by the army in explosives).  There 
is overwhelming evidence that the small explosion he set off in the 
street did little or no damage (it did not even break many of the 
windows of the building across the street, and that they building was 
brought down by planted army explosives inside the building (which 
exploded approximately 1 second after the street explosion), which 
McVeigh did not plant.  Even more curious, even though this evidence 
was known by McVeigh and his defense team, they choose to not present 
it at all, and McVeigh accepted the death penalty without ever saying 
what really took place.  I suspect that his family and/or loved ones 
were threatened if he refused to be the fall guy, so he kept quiet 
about everything.


Marshall

Sandy wrote:

Re: CSOrgonite/Marshall