Re: [aaloa supporters] News -- submitted project proposal on ZigBee integration with the OSGi Platform
Dear Francesco and Kay, my comments follow On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:30, Francesco Furfari wrote: > Dear Kai, > > this is a very good news. > We will be happy to contribute to the requirements, > as well as to work on the reference implementation when the specification > will be ready. > > Concerning Z-Wave I tried time ago to get their specification but it wasn't > open. > Is there anybody in AALOA who have experience with such technology ? Yes, as far as I know, the Z-Wave specification are available only for "Z-Wave Lincesee", and I'm wondering if it may cause any IP issue for the definition of the open specification. > > Kind regards, > Francesco > > > > > > Il 22/12/2010 11.07, Kai Hackbarth ha scritto: > > Dear Francesco, all, > some of you may know that the OSGi Residential Expert Group started to work > on new requirements for REG specification release 5. We are also planning to > define standardized APIs for ZigBee and Z-Wave. The general idea that > Francesco introduced is inline with what are planning to do at REG. We will > start working on requirements documents next year and you kindly invited to > participate in this activities. I keep you informed. Yes, I have to join my happiness to Francesco's one, I'm really looking fordward to contribute either to requirements and to interface specification! Moreover, IMHO, I believe that it could be one of the best channel for spreading the name of AALOA among the OSGi community. > Regards, > Kai > Ciao, Stefano "Kismet" Lenzi ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters
Re: [aaloa supporters] News -- submitted project proposal on ZigBee integration with the OSGi Platform
Dear Kai, this is a very good news. We will be happy to contribute to the requirements, as well as to work on the reference implementation when the specification will be ready. Concerning Z-Wave I tried time ago to get their specification but it wasn't open. Is there anybody in AALOA who have experience with such technology ? Kind regards, Francesco Il 22/12/2010 11.07, Kai Hackbarth ha scritto: Dear Francesco, all, some of you may know that the OSGi Residential Expert Group started to work on new requirements for REG specification release 5. We are also planning to define standardized APIs for ZigBee and Z-Wave. The general idea that Francesco introduced is inline with what are planning to do at REG. We will start working on requirements documents next year and you kindly invited to participate in this activities. I keep you informed. Regards, Kai Am 21.12.2010 um 20:00 schrieb Francesco Furfari: Dear Bruno, all, this mail answers to your comments from two different perspective: 1) *technological aspects* I'm very happy you have experience with two different ZB development kits. It will be very useful, we can discus about this off-line or through the proper mailing lists of the project . I don't agree with your recommendation. Let me explain better the goal of our project. I would like to achieve a separation of concerns as far as ontology definition is concerned. I attached a picture representing the three-layered model we had in PERSONA. I think you can easily read the picture representing SAIL (Sensor Abstraction and Integration Layer) sub-project of PERSONA. It was implemented on OSGi, and only the top most layer concerns with the *integration *of a specific technology. As example, there are two components depicted in the picture, one is the the bundle that maps ZB to the UPnP Specification, the second exports the interfaces according to PERSONA architecture, that' s by using the PERSONA ontology. Our project wont deal with the *Integration Layer*, but only with the first two layer: Access and Abstraction Layer. IMO there are at least two good reasons for such approach. a)There are many ontology definitions out there, not only OSGi4AMI, but PERSONA, OASIS and standards like ISO11073 ... So we need to create consensus, and the ZB4OSGI project is not the right place to do it. b) We want to be free to provide a very good solution for ZigBee, independently from the strategic objectives of AALOA. In such way we can assure that other communities will test our software and will contribute to the bug fixing. AALOA in other projects will be able to reuse the ZB4OSGi results according to a shared plan. 2)* Organisational aspects* The federation of projects is an important aspect we introduced in the AALOA Manifesto: the glue thanks to which this community is growing. I quoted here the "Call for Project Proposal" of the Manifesto: "The association will be organised as a federation of projects, one representative of each project being a member of the Governing Board. Proposals for new projects can be submitted to the Governing Board, whose main role will be their evaluation with respect to the association’s mission, *while still encouraging the emergence of diversity, and avoiding monoculture*. *Projects will autonomously organize their governance rules*. Over time common rules suggested by practice may be formally adopted... " It is to point out that we should mainly vote regarding the usefulness of the project, but we cannot bind the vote to the realization of specific goals of AALOA. In theory committers of open source projects are volunteers. The project leader can report the advises he receive during the board meeting, but usually he has not the power to impose "external" decisions. They must be discussed and accepted by the community working in the project according to their internal organization. The coordination and the mutual commitments we can reach in AALOA is another matter. We can create ad hoc projects for shared objectives after discussing among interested members . I see your request/recommendation in this way. For example, we can start to discuss about AAL ontologies in a specific project promoted by EU projects like OASIS, UniversAAL, MonAMI and incubated by AALOA... Alternatively also single organizations (e.g the CNR and Trialog) could decide to dedicate resources to a specific project of mutual interest. However the AALOA converging process to a common platform has not to influence the project proposals submitted to AALOA. The first level of aggregation in AALOA is to allow visibility of all the AAL-related software. In this way EU projects/ organizations /individuals may be interested to enter in AALOA. The sharing of common objectives and planning is a second step. I think it is the real challenge we have as community. We need to be able to take commitments as a single entity, but also to be free to prop
Re: [aaloa supporters] News -- submitted project proposal on ZigBee integration with the OSGi Platform
Dear Francesco, all, some of you may know that the OSGi Residential Expert Group started to work on new requirements for REG specification release 5. We are also planning to define standardized APIs for ZigBee and Z-Wave. The general idea that Francesco introduced is inline with what are planning to do at REG. We will start working on requirements documents next year and you kindly invited to participate in this activities. I keep you informed. Regards, Kai Am 21.12.2010 um 20:00 schrieb Francesco Furfari: > Dear Bruno, all, > > this mail answers to your comments from two different perspective: > > 1) technological aspects > I'm very happy you have experience with two different ZB development kits. It > will be very useful, we can discus about this off-line or through the proper > mailing lists of the project . > > I don't agree with your recommendation. Let me explain better the goal of our > project. > I would like to achieve a separation of concerns as far as ontology > definition is concerned. > I attached a picture representing the three-layered model we had in PERSONA. > I think you can easily read the picture representing SAIL (Sensor Abstraction > and Integration Layer) sub-project of PERSONA. > It was implemented on OSGi, and only the top most layer concerns with the > integration of a specific technology. > As example, there are two components depicted in the picture, one is the the > bundle that maps ZB to the UPnP Specification, the second exports the > interfaces according to PERSONA architecture, that' s by using the PERSONA > ontology. > Our project wont deal with the Integration Layer, but only with the first two > layer: Access and Abstraction Layer. > > IMO there are at least two good reasons for such approach. > a)There are many ontology definitions out there, not only OSGi4AMI, but > PERSONA, OASIS and standards like ISO11073 ... > So we need to create consensus, and the ZB4OSGI project is not the right > place to do it. > > b) We want to be free to provide a very good solution for ZigBee, > independently from the strategic objectives of AALOA. > In such way we can assure that other communities will test our software and > will contribute to the bug fixing. > AALOA in other projects will be able to reuse the ZB4OSGi results according > to a shared plan. > > 2) Organisational aspects > The federation of projects is an important aspect we introduced in the AALOA > Manifesto: the glue thanks to which this community is growing. > I quoted here the "Call for Project Proposal" of the Manifesto: > > "The association will be organised as a federation of > projects, one representative of each project being a > member of the Governing Board. > Proposals for new projects can be submitted to the > Governing Board, whose main role will be their > evaluation with respect to the association’s mission, > while still encouraging the emergence of diversity, and > avoiding monoculture. Projects will autonomously > organize their governance rules. Over time common > rules suggested by practice may be formally adopted... " > > It is to point out that we should mainly vote regarding the usefulness of the > project, but we cannot bind the vote to the realization of specific goals of > AALOA. > In theory committers of open source projects are volunteers. > The project leader can report the advises he receive during the board > meeting, but usually he has not the power to impose "external" decisions. > They must be discussed and accepted by the community working in the project > according to their internal organization. > > The coordination and the mutual commitments we can reach in AALOA is another > matter. > We can create ad hoc projects for shared objectives after discussing among > interested members . > I see your request/recommendation in this way. For example, we can start to > discuss about AAL ontologies in a specific project promoted by EU projects > like OASIS, UniversAAL, MonAMI and incubated by AALOA... Alternatively also > single organizations (e.g the CNR and Trialog) could decide to dedicate > resources to a specific project of mutual interest. > > However the AALOA converging process to a common platform has not to > influence the project proposals submitted to AALOA. > The first level of aggregation in AALOA is to allow visibility of all the > AAL-related software. > In this way EU projects/ organizations /individuals may be interested to > enter in AALOA. > The sharing of common objectives and planning is a second step. > I think it is the real challenge we have as community. > We need to be able to take commitments as a single entity, but also to be > free to propose independent solutions. > Working both as an Industrial Alliance that addresses specific targets, and > as an Open Source Community that encourages the diversity. > > We are a community of communities, the challenge is to find the right alchemy > to work all togethe
Re: [aaloa supporters] News -- submitted project proposal on ZigBee integration with the OSGi Platform
Dear Francesco and all, My vote will be provided in a separate email but I include here remarks on the Zigbee driver project. As already mentionned by Antonio (Trialog) and Roberto (Uni. Zaragoza), we have developed in MonAMI two drivers for Zigbee Wireless Sensors network, one by Unv Zaragoza, one by Trialog. The two approaches use different Zigbee implementation (Ember for Uzaz) and (TI for TRIALOG). The objectives of these two approaches were twofold : 1. to proof that the OSGi4AMI interfaces (Application Interfaces representing sensors and actuators independantly from the type of the network) can be implemented easily by two different teams. 2. to validate that the OSGi4AMI interfaces are comprehensively defined to enable the interoperability of applications. The objective 1 was demonstrated. The objective 2 shows in some cases that the key issues is there : an application interface such as OSGI4AMI is a must for interoperability of applications but this is not sufficient: for interoperability, the behaviour of devices themselves are generally not totally identical and therefore the driver shall take into account these differences. In your project, I see some proposals to take into the above issues : The use of the Zigbee Cluster Library will help for interoperability at the level of Application Interfaces. However for AALOA, one of the primary objectives is the definition of the Application interfaces of the drivers. This interface cannot be the Zigbee-based on the ZCL, but something more generic and I do not see that approach in your document. Therefore I would recommend the AALOA board to vote for the Zigbee Project but a first task of this project would be to define the Device API. In that goal, I recommend to use as input the OSGi4AMI proposal (note that this name is misleading : the OSGI4AMI interfaces are not depending on OSGi, nor Java. This is mainly an ontology of devices, then mapped into Java interfaces). Bruno _ Bruno Jean-Bart Connectivity Products& Services TRIALOG, 25 rue du General Foy, F-75008 Paris - France http://www.trialog.com Tel Direct : (33 1) 44 70 61 08, Fax :(33 1) 44 70 05 91 _ Le 16/12/2010 15:07, Francesco Furfari a écrit : Dear Supporters, today I submitted a first project proposal to the Governing Board of AALOA. Even if the project was already announced, it was a needed action in order to define the process for submitting a project proposal. The governig board will decide whether the project proposal is alligned to the AALOA mission and consequently will allocate the requested resources. In particular this proposal is one of the outcomes of the PERSONA project (http://www.aal-persona.org/) that finished with excellent evaluation few days ago. As described in the Manifesto the leader proposing the project will be part of the AALOA Governing Board. We don't have a formal proposal template so far. I thought to the following sections: 1. Motivation for incubating the project 2. Description of the codebase or the input material for the project 3. Simple roadmap and invitation to contribute ( how the AALOA community could help) 4. People involved (e.g. the list of initial committers in case of software projects) 5. An optional expression of interest on the project incubation. ( list of people internal or external to AALOA ) I invite all of you to read the proposal for the ZigBee 4 OSGi project, help to advertise the project (when accepted) and help to contribute to the further development and testing. Please, if you have any doubt about project proposal submission, don't hesitate to post your questions, they will help to create a FAQ on the topic. Kind regards, Francesco ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters
Re: [aaloa supporters] News -- submitted project proposal on ZigBee integration with the OSGi Platform
I vote yes, Also, as Antonio Kung said, osgi4ami try to specify interfaces independent from technology beneath; it doesn't stick to ZigBee. regards, Roberto El 18/12/2010 11:50, Francesco Furfari escribió: Dear Roberto, Thank you very much, we will be happy to collaborate. I added supporters list because it may be of general interest. I knew about the OSGI4AMI software at the Monami workshop in Passau (16 November) . We have worked with Texas Instruments kit , you ? We are searching for people working also on other hardware technologies. Unfortunately, the TI Red dongle we used is no longer available (http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ez430-rf2480.html), so only people with the same kit can test it, so far. Actually it "should" work with the successive version of the TI kit, but we didn't have time to test it. I invite you to report you positive or negative vote for the incubation of the ZigBee4OSGi project. It will be recorded with the vote results of the Governing Board. BRs, Francesco Il 17/12/2010 21.05, Roberto Casas ha scritto: Dear Francesco, we find your proposal very interesting and we would like to collaborate. Indeed, inside Monami, together with Trialog we are promoting OSGI4AMI taxonomy (http://sourceforge.net/projects/osgi4ami/) inspired in the clusters of ZigBee. We have already implemented an osgi driver for the zigbee network we have also developed. regards, Roberto El 16/12/2010 15:07, Francesco Furfari escribió: Dear Supporters, today I submitted a first project proposal to the Governing Board of AALOA. Even if the project was already announced, it was a needed action in order to define the process for submitting a project proposal. The governig board will decide whether the project proposal is alligned to the AALOA mission and consequently will allocate the requested resources. In particular this proposal is one of the outcomes of the PERSONA project (http://www.aal-persona.org/) that finished with excellent evaluation few days ago. As described in the Manifesto the leader proposing the project will be part of the AALOA Governing Board. We don't have a formal proposal template so far. I thought to the following sections: 1. Motivation for incubating the project 2. Description of the codebase or the input material for the project 3. Simple roadmap and invitation to contribute ( how the AALOA community could help) 4. People involved (e.g. the list of initial committers in case of software projects) 5. An optional expression of interest on the project incubation. ( list of people internal or external to AALOA ) I invite all of you to read the proposal for the ZigBee 4 OSGi project, help to advertise the project (when accepted) and help to contribute to the further development and testing. Please, if you have any doubt about project proposal submission, don't hesitate to post your questions, they will help to create a FAQ on the topic. Kind regards, Francesco ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters -- Roberto Casas Universidad de Zaragoza - Campus Río Ebro Dept. Ingeniería Electrónica y Comunicaciones - María de Luna 1 50018-Zaragoza (Spain) tfn. (+34) 976 762856 e-mail:rca...@unizar.es http://tecnodiscap.unizar.es -- Roberto Casas Universidad de Zaragoza - Campus Río Ebro Dept. Ingeniería Electrónica y Comunicaciones - María de Luna 1 50018-Zaragoza (Spain) tfn. (+34) 976 762856 e-mail: rca...@unizar.es http://tecnodiscap.unizar.es ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters
Re: [aaloa supporters] News -- submitted project proposal on ZigBee integration with the OSGi Platform
Of course my vote is a +1 (non-binding) as developer of the ZB4OSGi project Ciao, Stefano "Kismet" Lenzi On 16/12/2010 15.07, Francesco Furfari wrote: Dear Supporters, today I submitted a first project proposal to the Governing Board of AALOA. Even if the project was already announced, it was a needed action in order to define the process for submitting a project proposal. The governig board will decide whether the project proposal is alligned to the AALOA mission and consequently will allocate the requested resources. In particular this proposal is one of the outcomes of the PERSONA project (http://www.aal-persona.org/) that finished with excellent evaluation few days ago. As described in the Manifesto the leader proposing the project will be part of the AALOA Governing Board. We don't have a formal proposal template so far. I thought to the following sections: 1. Motivation for incubating the project 2. Description of the codebase or the input material for the project 3. Simple roadmap and invitation to contribute ( how the AALOA community could help) 4. People involved (e.g. the list of initial committers in case of software projects) 5. An optional expression of interest on the project incubation. ( list of people internal or external to AALOA ) I invite all of you to read the proposal for the ZigBee 4 OSGi project, help to advertise the project (when accepted) and help to contribute to the further development and testing. Please, if you have any doubt about project proposal submission, don't hesitate to post your questions, they will help to create a FAQ on the topic. Kind regards, Francesco ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters -- Stefano Lenzi Voice: +39 050 315 2887 ISTI - Area della ricerca CNR Fax:+39 050 315 2040 via G. Moruzzi 1, I-56124 Pisa Mobile: +39 328 489 3270 (entrance 20, 1st floor, room C66) Email: stefano.le...@isti.cnr.it ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters
Re: [aaloa supporters] News -- submitted project proposal on ZigBee integration with the OSGi Platform
On 18/12/2010 11.48, Francesco Furfari wrote: Dear Roberto, Thank you very much, we will be happy to collaborate. I have added supporters list because it may be of general interest. I knew about the OSGI4AMI software at the Monami workshop in Passau (16 November) . We have worked with Texas Instruments kit , you ? we are searching for people working also on other hardware technologies. Unfortunately, the TI red dongle we used is no longer available (http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ez430-rf2480.html), so only people with the same kit can test it. Actually it "should" work with the successive version of the TI kit, but we didn't have time to test it. In particular, the hardware protocol used by the TI dongle should be fordward compatible with CC2531 (http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/cc2531emk.html) I invite you to report you positive or negative vote for the incubation of the ZigBee4OSGi project. I would aslo invite you to share your expierience on the integration of ZigBee in OSGi, which would be really intersting for guiding the future development and design of the ZB4OSGi project. Moreover, we may also end up of a backport (or merge) of your solution in the ZB4OSGi project. Ciao, Stefano "Kismet" Lenzi -- Stefano Lenzi Voice: +39 050 315 2887 ISTI - Area della ricerca CNR Fax:+39 050 315 2040 via G. Moruzzi 1, I-56124 Pisa Mobile: +39 328 489 3270 (entrance 20, 1st floor, room C66) Email: stefano.le...@isti.cnr.it ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters
Re: [aaloa supporters] News -- submitted project proposal on ZigBee integration with the OSGi Platform
Dear Roberto, Thank you very much, we will be happy to collaborate. I added supporters list because it may be of general interest. I knew about the OSGI4AMI software at the Monami workshop in Passau (16 November) . We have worked with Texas Instruments kit , you ? We are searching for people working also on other hardware technologies. Unfortunately, the TI Red dongle we used is no longer available (http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ez430-rf2480.html), so only people with the same kit can test it, so far. Actually it "should" work with the successive version of the TI kit, but we didn't have time to test it. I invite you to report you positive or negative vote for the incubation of the ZigBee4OSGi project. It will be recorded with the vote results of the Governing Board. BRs, Francesco Il 17/12/2010 21.05, Roberto Casas ha scritto: Dear Francesco, we find your proposal very interesting and we would like to collaborate. Indeed, inside Monami, together with Trialog we are promoting OSGI4AMI taxonomy (http://sourceforge.net/projects/osgi4ami/) inspired in the clusters of ZigBee. We have already implemented an osgi driver for the zigbee network we have also developed. regards, Roberto El 16/12/2010 15:07, Francesco Furfari escribió: Dear Supporters, today I submitted a first project proposal to the Governing Board of AALOA. Even if the project was already announced, it was a needed action in order to define the process for submitting a project proposal. The governig board will decide whether the project proposal is alligned to the AALOA mission and consequently will allocate the requested resources. In particular this proposal is one of the outcomes of the PERSONA project (http://www.aal-persona.org/) that finished with excellent evaluation few days ago. As described in the Manifesto the leader proposing the project will be part of the AALOA Governing Board. We don't have a formal proposal template so far. I thought to the following sections: 1. Motivation for incubating the project 2. Description of the codebase or the input material for the project 3. Simple roadmap and invitation to contribute ( how the AALOA community could help) 4. People involved (e.g. the list of initial committers in case of software projects) 5. An optional expression of interest on the project incubation. ( list of people internal or external to AALOA ) I invite all of you to read the proposal for the ZigBee 4 OSGi project, help to advertise the project (when accepted) and help to contribute to the further development and testing. Please, if you have any doubt about project proposal submission, don't hesitate to post your questions, they will help to create a FAQ on the topic. Kind regards, Francesco ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters -- Roberto Casas Universidad de Zaragoza - Campus Río Ebro Dept. Ingeniería Electrónica y Comunicaciones - María de Luna 1 50018-Zaragoza (Spain) tfn. (+34) 976 762856 e-mail:rca...@unizar.es http://tecnodiscap.unizar.es ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters
Re: [aaloa supporters] News -- submitted project proposal on ZigBee integration with the OSGi Platform
Dear Roberto, Thank you very much, we will be happy to collaborate. I have added supporters list because it may be of general interest. I knew about the OSGI4AMI software at the Monami workshop in Passau (16 November) . We have worked with Texas Instruments kit , you ? we are searching for people working also on other hardware technologies. Unfortunately, the TI red dongle we used is no longer available (http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ez430-rf2480.html), so only people with the same kit can test it. Actually it "should" work with the successive version of the TI kit, but we didn't have time to test it. I invite you to report you positive or negative vote for the incubation of the ZigBee4OSGi project. It will be recorded with vote results of the Governing Board. BRs, Francesco Il 17/12/2010 21.05, Roberto Casas ha scritto: Dear Francesco, we find your proposal very interesting and we would like to collaborate. Indeed, inside Monami, together with Trialog we are promoting OSGI4AMI taxonomy (http://sourceforge.net/projects/osgi4ami/) inspired in the clusters of ZigBee. We have already implemented an osgi driver for the zigbee network we have also developed. regards, Roberto El 16/12/2010 15:07, Francesco Furfari escribió: Dear Supporters, today I submitted a first project proposal to the Governing Board of AALOA. Even if the project was already announced, it was a needed action in order to define the process for submitting a project proposal. The governig board will decide whether the project proposal is alligned to the AALOA mission and consequently will allocate the requested resources. In particular this proposal is one of the outcomes of the PERSONA project (http://www.aal-persona.org/) that finished with excellent evaluation few days ago. As described in the Manifesto the leader proposing the project will be part of the AALOA Governing Board. We don't have a formal proposal template so far. I thought to the following sections: 1. Motivation for incubating the project 2. Description of the codebase or the input material for the project 3. Simple roadmap and invitation to contribute ( how the AALOA community could help) 4. People involved (e.g. the list of initial committers in case of software projects) 5. An optional expression of interest on the project incubation. ( list of people internal or external to AALOA ) I invite all of you to read the proposal for the ZigBee 4 OSGi project, help to advertise the project (when accepted) and help to contribute to the further development and testing. Please, if you have any doubt about project proposal submission, don't hesitate to post your questions, they will help to create a FAQ on the topic. Kind regards, Francesco ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters -- Roberto Casas Universidad de Zaragoza - Campus Río Ebro Dept. Ingeniería Electrónica y Comunicaciones - María de Luna 1 50018-Zaragoza (Spain) tfn. (+34) 976 762856 e-mail:rca...@unizar.es http://tecnodiscap.unizar.es ___ Supporters mailing list Supporters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/supporters
