Re: [biofuel] Glycerine pretreat
- Original Message - From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: [biofuel] Glycerine pretreat (was Why people like SUVs Paul, Just a suggestion - change the subject line. What you posted - the (valuable) results of your glycerin experiments - had nothing to do with Why People Like SUVs. Thanks Craig, bit of a slip up on my part, out of practise I guess, haven't posted anything for a while. Also forgot to include that the BD made from the WCSO I used for pretreat test usually has an SG of around 0.8850. This will give an indication of the amount of methanol recovery in the pretreatment. Paul Gobert. www.ozimages.com.au/profile.asp?MemberID=517 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
Dana, you wrote: Yes, that is the plan. Heat just enough WVO to get it to liquify and flow easily into the lines where it is heated further. Then an electric boost warmer close to the injection pump...or better yet after it...slaved to the SVO switch. I'm not clear here - a boost warmer after the injection pump? Don't you want it before the pump? I'm probably not understanding the role of the slaved to the SVO switch part. I plan on using a Hose ON Hose. It is what I use now and avoids the possability of coolant mixing with SVO. In the reconversion though I will use poly tubing bundled together outer with a foam cover rather than the coolant hose and fuel line I used last time...much less expensive. Simple, cheap, safe. By Hose On Hose do you mean simply zip-tying your (poly?) fuel lines to the (poly?) coolant lines to and from your version of the Hot STK? That's what I was planning on doing - only my coolant lines were going to heat the false bottom on the tank - but since Steve (and you) introduced me to the idea of the Hot STK (and Motie pointed out that since it's made for huge truck tanks it should bring out smaller tanks up to close to 170F) I've jumped ship to the Hot STK camp. No, but they are pretty basic and could be welded up cheaply by any welder. I would be happy to supply a design. Maybe Ed Beggs would be interested in becomming a supplier if there is no patent in effect. Do you know how much the Webb hotstick heaters cost? Motie posted about $70. Hard to beat, I'd think - but you're not talking about a casting, obviously. I'd be happy to copy your design, or buy one from you (or Ed.) I think that it would be simple to retrofit the existing diesel tanks in converted vehicles by dropping the tank and cutting a hole in the top. A hotstick would be slipped in till it nearly touched the bottom and then be epoxied in place. A slight angle would work even better than vertical. Couldn't a flange with a Viton (or something similar) gasket be used instead of epoxy - just so you could pull it if you ever wanted to? Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited calling with 3-way conferencing. Only $1/Mo. with CrystalVoice! FREE trial. Click Here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hb1xVB/HxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Glycerine pretreat
Paul, My pleasure. Craig You wrote: Thanks Craig, bit of a slip up on my part, out of practise I guess, haven't posted anything for a while. Also forgot to include that the BD made from the WCSO I used for pretreat test usually has an SG of around 0.8850. This will give an indication of the amount of methanol recovery in the pretreatment. Paul Gobert. www.ozimages.com.au/profile.asp?MemberID=517 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanol
Hi All I mixed a glass (250ml) table sugar two days ago with a liter and a half of water. Added a packet of yeast and left it. Every night a warm it up a bit with a light bulb for a couple of hours. It seems to be chugging along quite nicely... This weekend I am going to try and distle the brew... I would like to know how much ethanol should I expect? (This is of course just a test.) How would I use sugar cane?? I was thinking of using a couple of steal rollers to squash juice out of the cane, and then chop what is left up and mix it with water, then agitate for a while, strain and then add to the originaly extracted juice to be brewed What kind yield would I expect from a ton of sugar cane and how much water would I add to it? Cheers Justin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Popularity of sport/utility vehicles
Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are plenty of autos available for the folks that want a sporty/high horsepower vehicle...at least in the US. No horsepower resriction that I know of on cars. I can easily get a much higher performance auto than SUV for less money. Interesting - the manufacturers get around Federal model/horsepower penalties by BUILDING SUVs. I just assumed they were passing their savings to the consumer as an incentive to BUY the darn things. A few do it because they percieve bigger as safer(incorrectly)..and others for the status symbol. The actuarial statistics are quite clear: bigger IS safer. You don't have to like it (I don't), but it's a fact. Your chances of dying in a crash are higher if you drive a small car. I don't happen to consider that sufficient reason to buy a big heavy automobile - limiting one's road mileage and driving defensively can reduce one's risk of being in an accident in the first place - but if a collision does occur you're better off in a Bronco than in a beetle. Under winter driving conditions a 4x4 SUV - competently driven - is also safer in an accident-avoidance sense. Marc de Piolenc --- F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SUVs are popular because they are the only way to get around the horsepower restrictions that make most Government-regulated production cars too sluggish for many drivers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Win a Capcom Console Game. http://us.click.yahoo.com/smpz8B/fxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [vegoil-diesel] Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
Dana, I think I answered my own question. I think you're talking about heating the SVO after the injection pump but before the injectors. So apart from the need to plumb into the (hard) line from the pump to the injectors, the only problem I see is: will the solenoid valve - either the plastic motor-drive Pollack or the junkyard diesel valves - take the added heat of a coolant heater (remembering that Racor's unit raises the temp. as much as 89 degrees F) or Neoteric's proposed HD Vegetherm (my term, not Neoteric's.) Otherwise, I get it. Thanks, Craig You wrote: Yes, that is the plan. Heat just enough WVO to get it to liquify and flow easily into the lines where it is heated further. Then an electric boost warmer close to the injection pump...or better yet after it...slaved to the SVO switch. I'm not clear here - a boost warmer after the injection pump? Don't you want it before the pump? I'm probably not understanding the role of the slaved to the SVO switch part. I plan on using a Hose ON Hose. It is what I use now and avoids the possability of coolant mixing with SVO. In the reconversion though I will use poly tubing bundled together outer with a foam cover rather than the coolant hose and fuel line I used last time...much less expensive. Simple, cheap, safe. By Hose On Hose do you mean simply zip-tying your (poly?) fuel lines to the (poly?) coolant lines to and from your version of the Hot STK? That's what I was planning on doing - only my coolant lines were going to heat the false bottom on the tank - but since Steve (and you) introduced me to the idea of the Hot STK (and Motie pointed out that since it's made for huge truck tanks it should bring out smaller tanks up to close to 170F) I've jumped ship to the Hot STK camp. No, but they are pretty basic and could be welded up cheaply by any welder. I would be happy to supply a design. Maybe Ed Beggs would be interested in becomming a supplier if there is no patent in effect. Do you know how much the Webb hotstick heaters cost? Motie posted about $70. Hard to beat, I'd think - but you're not talking about a casting, obviously. I'd be happy to copy your design, or buy one from you (or Ed.) I think that it would be simple to retrofit the existing diesel tanks in converted vehicles by dropping the tank and cutting a hole in the top. A hotstick would be slipped in till it nearly touched the bottom and then be epoxied in place. A slight angle would work even better than vertical. Couldn't a flange with a Viton (or something similar) gasket be used instead of epoxy - just so you could pull it if you ever wanted to? Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] For getting started and basic information please visit the following website: http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk/vegoil-diesel/index.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Win a Capcom Console Game of Your Choice Or Even a Capcom Arcade System. Click Here to Enter. http://us.click.yahoo.com/tmpz8B/exbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol
Hi Justin! 250ml sugar weighs approx 210gm, so you have 210/1.5 = 140 gm/litre sugar solution (less if you mean it when you say you added 1.5 litre water, not made up to a total solution of 1.5 litre The percentage ethanol you can expect from this if fermented out fully is 140/17 = 8.2% ethanol (making up to 1.5 litre solution) Not very high, and with such small quantities you can expect to have even less left after distillation as your losses will be high. With no losses, you would have 123ml ethanol in your 1.5 litres brew, so if you get around 80% product (depends on your still, and there are many, many types) then you'd have around 150ml product with no losses. Realistically, as you're dealing with very small quantities, you can lower that figure by at least half, so you could expect around 75ml of 80% ... if you're lucky! Hmm With sugar cane, extract the juice by crushing and separate from solids before fermentation. Amount of sugar in the juice will vary according to type and condition of crop, so you'd need to measure the specific gravity to estimate the amount of sugar in it. After that, apply the calculation I did above, and you'll have a ball-park figure to answer your question. However, if moving from 210gm of sugar to 1 ton in your brew, then you'd need to know rather more about fermentation of large batches, cos it's quite different to something you can warm over a light bulb! Anyway, good luck and all the very best ... perserverance ultimately brings success!!! Ignore ALL those who say it can't be done!!! Mike Nixon - Original Message - From: Justin Anderson To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] ethanol Hi All I mixed a glass (250ml) table sugar two days ago with a liter and a half of water. Added a packet of yeast and left it. Every night a warm it up a bit with a light bulb for a couple of hours. It seems to be chugging along quite nicely... This weekend I am going to try and distle the brew... I would like to know how much ethanol should I expect? (This is of course just a test.) How would I use sugar cane?? I was thinking of using a couple of steal rollers to squash juice out of the cane, and then chop what is left up and mix it with water, then agitate for a while, strain and then add to the originaly extracted juice to be brewed What kind yield would I expect from a ton of sugar cane and how much water would I add to it? Cheers Justin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: ethanol
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Justin Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I mixed a glass (250ml) table sugar two days ago with a liter and a half of water. Added a packet of yeast and left it. Every night a warm it up a bit with a light bulb for a couple of hours. It seems to be chugging along quite nicely... This weekend I am going to try and distle the brew... I would like to know how much ethanol should I expect? (This is of course just a test.) How would I use sugar cane?? I was thinking of using a couple of steal rollers to squash juice out of the cane, and then chop what is left up and mix it with water, then agitate for a while, strain and then add to the originaly extracted juice to be brewed What kind yield would I expect from a ton of sugar cane and how much water would I add to it? Cheers Justin I maybe should leave this to the chemistry experts, but I think you get 49% alcohol by weight optimum. The amount of water has to be sufficient, so that when the sugar is all converted, it's below 11 or 12% alcohol. Higher concentrations of alcohol kills the yeast, leaving some sugar unconverted. It's also important from what I've heard, to distill as soon as possible after fermentation is complete, so any bacteria from the air cannot start it's own reaction, and turn it all to vinegar instead. I've been discussing this topic with a couple of guys, and we are working on a theory to reduce the container size needed by continually drawing off some alcohol to keep the level below 10%. In your above hypothetical, I don't know how much suger is in a ton of cane. 300 lbs? I don't know the accuracy of the 300 number, but it will work for explanation purposes. If 300 lbs of suger will convert to 49% alcohol, there should be 147 pounds of alcohol. To keep the concentration at 10%, you would need 1470 pounds of water. What I propose to figure out, iscan I reduce the amount of water needed for the process, if I continually draw off some of the alcohol with a membrane filter or centrifuge, and return the water portion to the tank to keep working. Or use a vacuum to lower the boiling point of the alcohol to 100F, so the yeast doesn't get killed by heat. Sort of a low-temp vacuum distillation, while it's still in the fermentation stage. There would be a lot less water to dispose of, and much less heat required for final distillation. The water can be recycled for use in the next batch instead of disposed, but it still takes a lot more energy to heat the 1470 pounds of water in the still, than if I only used 500 pounds of water. The question for the real mathematics wizards is...does it take more energy to run a vacuum pump to pull off the alcohol than it does to heat the larger quantity to boiling in a still? I haven't determined yet, how much vacuum is needed to boil off the alcohol at 100F. This got to be a long post. Sleep deprivation? It's 3:30 AM. I better go to bed and TRY to sleep. I may need a hammer to stop thinking, now. Good Night, Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: ethanol
The percentage ethanol you can expect from this if fermented out fully is 140/17 = 8.2% ethanol (making up to 1.5 litre solution) Not very high, and with such small quantities you can expect to have even less left after distillation as your losses will be high. With no losses, you would have 123ml ethanol in your 1.5 litres brew, so if you get around 80% product (depends on your still, and there are many, many types) then you'd have around 150ml product with no losses. Realistically, as you're dealing with very small quantities, you can lower that figure by at least half, so you could expect around 75ml of 80% ... if you're lucky! Hmm There has to be one in every bunch! I volunteer to be the smart aleck for the moment. To reduce the huge percentage of loss in attempting to distill such a small quantity, I propose it should instead be filtered. Use your personal kidneys! Just drink it! 8.2% alcohol is 16.4 percent. 1.5 liters should help you sleep quite nicely. I really am going to bed now. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited PC-PC calling at Crystal Voice! - Only $1/Mo. Download your free 30 day trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gb1xVB/GxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol
- Original Message - From: motie_d To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: ethanol The percentage ethanol you can expect from this if fermented out fully is 140/17 = 8.2% ethanol (making up to 1.5 litre solution) Not very high, and with such small quantities you can expect to have even less left after distillation as your losses will be high. With no losses, you would have 123ml ethanol in your 1.5 litres brew, so if you get around 80% product (depends on your still, and there are many, many types) then you'd have around 150ml product with no losses. Realistically, as you're dealing with very small quantities, you can lower that figure by at least half, so you could expect around 75ml of 80% ... if you're lucky! Hmm There has to be one in every bunch! I volunteer to be the smart aleck for the moment. To reduce the huge percentage of loss in attempting to distill such a small quantity, I propose it should instead be filtered. Use your personal kidneys! Just drink it! 8.2% alcohol is 16.4 percent. 1.5 liters should help you sleep quite nicely. I really am going to bed now. Motie --- I leave others to decide who the smart aleck is Motie. The thrust of your witty retort would have had more impact if you had explained more clearly how you arrived at the brilliant deduction that 8.2% is 16.4%, or were you grasping for the word proof? As you lull yourself to sleep, ask yourself whether your brilliant repartee has helped answer Justin's question. Ponder on the purpose of this group: is it not to try and help each other? Mike Nixon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited calling with 3-way conferencing. Only $1/Mo. with CrystalVoice! FREE trial. Click Here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hb1xVB/HxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Ads - was [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
snip Motie I noticed we gained a new feature today. Animated adds in the messages. We get what we pay for? Animated adds [sic] only at the Web interface, not in the email messages. I think you get one helluva lot more than you pay for! Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Glycerine pretreat - was Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
Hello Paul Interesting results you're getting, as usual. snip Keith, why the secrecy?. Sorry about that, not my decision - someone else's work, not in the public domain. But I'm working on it! Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Regards Paul Gobert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO--possible tank heat.
Paul, Maybe. You would have to secure it very near the fuel pickup in the SVO tank and I would be concerned about 3 things. If it failed would you know before your injector pump was harmed due to overload. A vacuum gauge might help there. and How much current does it draw? Would it use all the spare capacity of your alternator? It might preclude electrically heating SVO at a more critical point in the system. and I have seen reports that elements designed to heat H2O have a short lifespan in SVO due to the fact that H2O better dissapates heat than SVO. How do you plan on heating your lines? Dana --- Paul Gobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - Dana, would an element from a 12v automotive kettle be suitable for this application? Usually fairly cheap at garage sales. Paul Gobert. __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited PC-PC calling at Crystal Voice! - Only $1/Mo. Download your free 30 day trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gb1xVB/GxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog
Hi they from Mercedes-Benz but they are assembled on a contract basis by PUCH in Austria. Have seen them often they ok but the Hummer (got one) is better as long as it fits in with.. So your Hummers must have been stuck in the Forest between the trees.. (or in a German Town as noted...) Urs - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Graz. Austria. From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:49:13 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog I have Viennese friends who proudly claim the GWagen as Austrian built. I have a friend with one so I will lift the bonnet to see the manufacturer's plate. Thanks - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 18:40 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog The Gelaendewagen is produced by Mercedes-Benz. http://www.gwagen.com at $135k, I'll pass. Are you thinking of the Pinzgauer (Steyer Daimler Puch )? http://www.users.qwest.net/~zandersson/pinzfaq.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Am I confused? re 'Mercedes' G Wagen. I had always thought the G Wagen was made in Austria by Daimler Steyer Puch. ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 04:29 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. Do you have any links to support that? http://www.g4rce.net/engl/models-mil-ifav.html g4rce - or all about the Mercedes G. Keith In my 3 years experience with military Hummers we only got one of them stuck twice. Once while driving through a little German town because it was too wide to negotiate one of the turns, and another time when one of our medics high-centered one and lifted two of the wheels off of the ground. From my experience you really have to try to get a Hummer stuck. And even then they come equipped with a pioneer kit and a 10 ton winch to help them get unstuck. Alan Petrillo Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~ - Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
--- craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not clear here - a boost warmer after the injection pump? Don't you want it before the pump? I'm probably not understanding the role of the slaved to the SVO switch part. My theory here is that the injection pumps are not designed with the high temperatures we want our SVO to reach prior to injection in mind. The injectors are. If the SVO can get its' final temp boost right before injection(or return to the tank) we protect the expensive to repair/replace injector pump. This might be critical in the long term. Of course this is probably only neccesary on IDI engines. I need to contact an authority on what temps inj. pumps are designed to withstand long term. By Hose On Hose do you mean simply zip-tying your (poly?) fuel lines to the (poly?) coolant lines to and from your version of the Hot STK? That's what I was planning on doing - only my coolant lines were going to heat the false bottom on the tank - but since Steve (and you) introduced me to the idea of the Hot STK (and Motie pointed out that since it's made for huge truck tanks it should bring out smaller tanks up to close to 170F) I've jumped ship to the Hot STK camp. Yes. On a long length of hose I found that the heat transfers pretty well in the bundle. Insulation,inside tube diameter, good contact between the tubes, and length are the critical variables. An electric boost heater at the pump might make up for less efficiency of this method compared to HIH. I suppose one could use copper instead of poly and get better thermal efficiency. Motie posted about $70. Hard to beat, I'd think - but you're not talking about a casting, obviously. I'd be happy to copy your design, or buy one from you (or Ed.) I don't think Ed sells them...I know I don't. Couldn't a flange with a Viton (or something similar) gasket be used instead of epoxy - just so you could pull it if you ever wanted to? Good idea Craig. Or maybe one of the flexible washers that are used to pass wire bundles through an autos' firewall combined with an epoxy outer overlay to hold the stick in place. It would be simple enough to snap the epoxy if one ever needed to remove the stick. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol
Hi All I mixed a glass (250ml) table sugar two days ago with a liter and a half of water. Added a packet of yeast and left it. Every night a warm it up a bit with a light bulb for a couple of hours. It seems to be chugging along quite nicely... This weekend I am going to try and distle the brew... I would like to know how much ethanol should I expect? (This is of course just a test.) How would I use sugar cane?? I was thinking of using a couple of steal rollers to squash juice out of the cane, and then chop what is left up and mix it with water, then agitate for a while, strain and then add to the originaly extracted juice to be brewed What kind yield would I expect from a ton of sugar cane and how much water would I add to it? Cheers Justin You're honoured, Justin - Mike Nixon's the main man for distillation, you couldn't possibly get better advice. You should check out his new book The Compleat Distiller: http://www.amphora-society.com/The_Compleat_Distiller/the_compleat_dis tiller.html And then, if you also check those links I gave you previously, you'll avoid reinventing the wheel (or failing to). Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited PC-PC calling at Crystal Voice! - Only $1/Mo. Download your free 30 day trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gb1xVB/GxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [vegoil-diesel] Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
--- craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dana, I think I answered my own question. I think you're talking about heating the SVO after the injection pump but before the injectors. So apart from the need to plumb into the (hard) line from the pump to the injectors, the only problem I see is: will the solenoid valve - either the plastic motor-drive Pollack or the junkyard diesel valves - take the added heat of a coolant heater (remembering that Racor's unit raises the temp. as much as 89 degrees F) or Neoteric's proposed HD Vegetherm (my term, not Neoteric's.) Otherwise, I get it. Good question. Ed, do you have any thoughts on this? Anyone else? Might have to worry about the poly lines holding up as well? Optimumly I think one would only raise the temp in the SVO supply line enough to prevent additional load on the inj. pump and then raise it to final temp right before injection. But since this would not appear to be a critical issue...eg if the solenoid faisl it is not extremely expensive to repair and should not cause damage to components that are...one might have to find out the hard way. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Attachment??? Craig?
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RE: [biofuel] Re: Popularity of sport/utility vehicles
I have an older vehicle. As a result I do not carry collision insurance, only liability. That saves a lot. I put a new engine in it and had the transmission rebuilt. New tires and brakes. 1/5 the cost of a new one and just or more reliable. That was my solution. BTW it is a Chevy Suburban with fulltime 4wd. I replaced the 400 with a 350 because I couldn't get a new 400 from GM. and rebuilds are iffy unless you have a good mechanic. The mass produced rebuilds often fail. I got a guy who builds race cars to rebuild my daughters 1 ton during the guy's off season. He bored the 454 out to 470 and balanced it. What a sweet running engine. Balancing is a must. If you do it once you will always do it. Kirk -Original Message- From: motie_d [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Popularity of sport/utility vehicles --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but I must disagree,at least for the US. SUVs' are popular in the US mainly because folks want to have a single vehicle that will haul them to work as well as haul thier Boat, Snowmobiles, Travel trailer, lumber, firewood, etc. when needed. The economics are it is cheaper to own one vehicle that uses more fuel than needed most of the time than two vehicles one of which is a fuel efficient auto. Of course in two vehicle familys (of which there are many) the alternative is two econo cars and a SUV which is only used to when loads need to be hauled. There is also the issue of mandatory insurance costs. If you buy an older, larger vehicle for occasional use, it will last forever. But who can afford to pay for insurance costs on a vehicle sitting around? It's cheaper to sell one of the fuel efficient cars and use the money saved on insurance to buy fuel for the larger, safer one. My 2 cents, Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/2001 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO--Conversion synopsis, WVO processing
RE: vacuum nice to have, not absolutely needed, you can tell by performance compared to diesel or familiarity with vehicle before conversion, to some extent, if pump is starving either from partly plugged filters, or too thick SVO. RE: temp, yes also nice to have, oil temp gauge/sender is available aftermarket from companies like VDO, Autometer. RE: salvaged valves - time. old valve. According to Henry Mackaay, my business partner you never hear from, who owns the Ford that went across Canada with 5th wheel on SVO last summer ( you never hear from him because he's always working on this stuff and about five other projects!), removal and reuse of the existing one was not worth the time and effort and he advises it's a Leverite situation. (Leverite there and go buy a new 6-port). Solenoid model works ok, but for cold the motor drive unit is probably more robust. Why start with a 10 or 15 year old device, IMO? They're not very expensive. We can suppply to anyone who does not have access to them. RE: Collection/filtering. Your setup sounds very good. Only take good oil from places that change often. Try to get Canola oil if you can, not shortening, no grease. Get if fresh as possible, we settle in a drum a week or two emtying out the jugs, then pump off the top (we have a nice pump for this), filter (ideally down to 5-10 microns). We use pressure/bag filter, Adapted oil and fuel filters from trucks, diesel storage tanks, etc. will work fine as you say. For dewatering, an electric water heater tank with extra element, heat to above BP of water, you will hear the water crackling off. Don't do this if there is a lot of visible water, let it settle, take oil off the top first, so no steam pockets can form which can bubble up and splash the very hot oil right out of the heat with quite dangerous force. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - Warming the lines to and from SVO tank and heating SVO to lower viscosity.
How about the air cooled VW method? Old style VW heaters use air from a box around part of the exhaust system. Get one from a VW parts supplier (or construct your own heat exchanger - fins around the exhaust pipe surrounded by a can, etc.) and connect it inline somewhere in the exhaust system. Route the hot air to an oil cooler type radiator or two - used in reverse - to heat the SVO. Hot enough? I have no idea. Arne Ken wrote: One more but not for the fain hearted, tube in the exhaust system or exhaust system though the fuel tank. If you need it to be fast and very hot, pass the fuel line though/on the headers before entering the injector pump. Maybe with this we have to consider overheating of the fuel on a hot summers day. Ken I am sure I have missed some method of warming the SVO lines and bringing the SVO to 170*F. Any other methods out there? Please add them so we have as complete a starting point as possible for those interested in conversion. Dana Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Popularity of sport/utility vehicles
--- F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting - the manufacturers get around Federal model/horsepower penalties by BUILDING SUVs. I just assumed they were passing their savings to the consumer as an incentive to BUY the darn things. Marc, Actually the profit margin is higher on SUVs...no incentive needed. A few do it because they percieve bigger as safer(incorrectly)..and others for the status symbol. The actuarial statistics are quite clear: bigger IS safer. You don't have to like it (I don't), but it's a fact. Your chances of dying in a crash are higher if you drive a small car. I don't happen to consider that sufficient reason to buy a big heavy automobile - limiting one's road mileage and driving defensively can reduce one's risk of being in an accident in the first place - but if a collision does occur you're better off in a Bronco than in a beetle. Over the last decade the crash tests have not looked as good for most SUVs as most other autos. Additionally the handling characteristics of most SUVs are dismal to say the least. Actuarial stats might indicate that IF YOU ARE IN A CRASH you have a better survivability rate, but that does not take into account that you may be more likely to be involved in a crash. The stats I have seen also seem to show that SUVs are more likely to be involved in single car crashes...with injury rates higher than most other cars. I know you were using a beetle to make your point...but it is a poor example and not at all representative of the vehicles that have been produced over the past decade. Except possibly Hyundai. Under winter driving conditions a 4x4 SUV - competently driven - is also safer in an accident-avoidance sense. Marc de Piolenc Any all wheel drive car is safer in icy/slick conditions than a 2 wheel drive one if it is competently driven...but I would pick something like a AWD Subaru over any of the SUVs I have seen or driven. Personally...I wouldn't own one if it were given to me. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: SVO heating
Nothing against the Webb, but it is fairly expensive as I recall, isn't it? Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:11:18 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: SVO heating --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephan Helbig wrote: Hello, I've just searched the net for some useful winter improvements. This is what I found: An immersion heater for tanks: http://www.webb-sales.com/product_fueltank.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re:[biofuel]SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
Dana, You wrote: My theory here is that the injection pumps are not designed with the high temperatures we want our SVO to reach prior to injection in mind. The injectors are. If the SVO can get its' final temp boost right before injection(or return to the tank) we protect the expensive to repair/replace injector pump. This might be critical in the long term. Of course this is probably only neccesary on IDI engines. I need to contact an authority on what temps inj. pumps are designed to withstand long term. That's what I thought you were up to - trying to protect the injection pump. I still have worries about the ability of the Pollack ABS (?) plastic valve to withstand the themps a Racor coolant heater might introduce - especially if one took the coolant feed for it right at the heater hoses - ie, pre-the-radiator. Yes. On a long length of hose I found that the heat transfers pretty well in the bundle. Insulation,inside tube diameter, good contact between the tubes, and length are the critical variables. An electric boost heater at the pump might make up for less efficiency of this method compared to HIH. I suppose one could use copper instead of poly and get better thermal efficiency. I think the HOH would work fine. Good idea Craig. Or maybe one of the flexible washers that are used to pass wire bundles through an autos' firewall combined with an epoxy outer overlay to hold the stick in place. It would be simple enough to snap the epoxy if one ever needed to remove the stick. Ok. I still prefer a flexible gasket. Craig Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: SVO heating
Ed, Motie thinks about $70. I've emailed Webb (and will call if they don't respond today) and will post the price. Craig Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote: Nothing against the Webb, but it is fairly expensive as I recall, isn't it? Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:11:18 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: SVO heating --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephan Helbig wrote: Hello, I've just searched the net for some useful winter improvements. This is what I found: An immersion heater for tanks: http://www.webb-sales.com/product_fueltank.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited calling with 3-way conferencing. Only $1/Mo. with CrystalVoice! FREE trial. Click Here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hb1xVB/HxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Attachment??? Craig?
I tried to forward something from the Vegoil Group to the Biofuels Group - then I remembered about attachments, and copied and pasted it. Craig Dana Linscott wrote: Craig... Maybe I am just paranoid with all the messages recently about virus'. Did you intend to send and attachment to the group. I see there is a message from you with no body just an attachment. My policy is to never open attachments unless told in a previous post it is comming. Sves me the frustration of dealing with most of the new virus'. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited calling with 3-way conferencing. Only $1/Mo. with CrystalVoice! FREE trial. Click Here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hb1xVB/HxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SVO aux. tank options
WVO/SVO fans, I only have two items left on my list of SVO topics. The next one is Aux. fuel tanks. I converted a vehicle that had 2 diesel tanks and converted one over to SVO. It was the simplest solution for me. But I don't have any experience that might apply to vehicles with only one tank standard. I have gleaned from the SVO forums that: Some keep the standard fuel tank and have an SVO tank custom welded to fit an existing space/trunk area. Others use a marine fuel tank in the trunk either for the SVO or starting/purging diesel. A few have had aux. tanks welded up that replaces their spare tire. I assume they then keep a can of fix a flat in their glove box. One fellow had a 2x2'x4'thick tank welded up that fit on the bottom of his trunk but left most of the trunk still useful. Those are all the aux. tank ideas I have to contribute. Any others? Next subject...Good candidate vehicles for SVO conversion. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] receiving this listserve in digest form
Is there any way to receive biofuel as a digest? 50 emails a day is killing me, but i don't want to unsubscribe. Thor Skov __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO aux. tank options
I use a plastic ice chest. They are cheap new or used and they are insulated. In addition, they are so easy to drill through the lid! Greg -- Original Message -- From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:35:10 -0800 (PST) htmlbody tt WVO/SVO fans,BR I only have two items left on my list of SVO topics.BR BR The next one is Aux. fuel tanks. I converted aBR vehicle that had 2 diesel tanks and converted one overBR to SVO. It was the simplest solution for me. But IBR don't have any experience that might apply toBR vehicles with only one tank standard.BR BR I have gleaned from the SVO forums that:BR BR Some keep the standard fuel tank and have an SVO tankBR custom welded to fit an existing space/trunk area.BR Others use a marine fuel tank in the trunk either forBR the SVO or starting/purging diesel.BR A few have had aux. tanks welded up that replacesBR their spare tire. I assume they then keep a can ofBR fix a flat in their glove box.BR One fellow had a 2x2'x4'thick tank welded up that fitBR on the bottom of his trunk but left most of the trunkBR still useful.BR BR Those are all the aux. tank ideas I have toBR contribute.BR Any others?BR BR Next subject...Good candidate vehicles for SVOBR conversion.BR BR DanaBR BR __BR Do You Yahoo!?BR Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all ofBR your unique holiday gifts! Buy at a href=http://shopping.yahoo.com;http://shopping.yahoo.com/aBR or bid at a href=http://auctions.yahoo.com;http://auctions.yahoo.com/aBR /tt br tt Biofuel at Journey to Forever:BR a href=http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html;http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html/aBR Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address.BR To unsubscribe, send an email to:BR [EMAIL PROTECTED]/tt br br ttYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the a href=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/;Yahoo! Terms of Service/a./tt /br /body/html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] John Deere, approves biodiesel
JOHN DEERE APPROVES ECO-FRIENDLY BIODIESEL FUEL FOR ITS PRODUCTS Lenexa, Kansas (December 3, 2001) -- John Deere has approved the use of soy-based Biodiesel in all of its diesel-powered products. This announcement is just the latest step in John Deere's ongoing 35-year commitment to the development of bio-based alternative fuels that benefit both the environment and the agricultural community. We're excited to be able to support the use of Biodiesel in our products, notes Ted Breidenbach, Manager of Worldwide Engine Engineering for John Deere Power Systems. Biodiesel is a valuable tool for helping reduce engine emissions. It also stands as one of the linchpins in the movement to develop alternative uses for commodity products that can ultimately deliver more value to our producer customers. The quality of Biodiesel as a fuel source has improved tremendously in recent years, Breidenbach adds. We're confident that when it's used per factory specifications it will generate the performance producers have come to expect from their John Deere equipment. After thorough testing and analysis John Deere engineers have developed the following guidelines to help ensure optimum use of Biodiesel: Customers should consult with their local fuel suppliers to be sure the Biodiesel fuel meets the ASTM PS 121-99 or DIN 51606 fuel specifications. Biodiesel, by definition is biodegradable, so the higher the concentration of Biodiesel in a fuel blend, the more susceptible the fuel is to degradation and water absorption. While rapeseed methyl ester (RME) concentrations up to 100% have been run successfully, concentrations of up to five percent Biodiesel have shown improvement in fuel lubricity while minimizing the potential problems associated with fuel degradation. Operators should keep storage and vehicle tanks as full as possible to prevent moisture. Storage tanks should be protected from extreme temperatures and extended storage of Biodiesel fuel should be limited. Routine monitoring of the fuel's water content is also recommended. Following these guidelines will ensure normal warranty coverage on products fueled by Biodiesel blends.* John Deere will continue to support further development and use of Biodiesel and additional alternative uses for agricultural commodities. This commitment is evident in the company's support of renewable fuels legislation and in John Deere's ongoing exploration and use of soy-based resins to replace sheet metal on products. An example of this technology is the HarvestForm panels that will be used on John Deere Combines built in 2002. These panels are made from a special polymer derived from corn and soybeans. These are exciting technologies that will have long-term benefits for producers, consumers and every citizen with environmental concerns, Breidenbach says. Biodiesel can also be used in older model tractors and engines. Please check with your local John Deere dealer or fuel supplier for details. One of the world's oldest and most respected enterprises, John Deere (www.JohnDeereAg.com) creates smart and innovative solutions, in the form of advanced machines, services and concepts, for customers on the farmsite, worksite, and homesite worldwide. * Users of John Deere Emission Certified Engines, are responsible for obtaining any appropriate local, state, and national exemptions required for the use of Biodiesel. Barry E. Nelson Ph: 913-310-8324 Fax: 913-310-8394 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] receiving this listserve in digest form
Thor, Yes - go to www.yahoogroups.com , find the Biofuels Group on the left under My Groups then open it and go to Edit Membership - you can choose Digest Mode. Craig Thor Skov wrote: Is there any way to receive biofuel as a digest? 50 emails a day is killing me, but i don't want to unsubscribe. Thor Skov __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Win a Capcom Console Game of Your Choice Or Even a Capcom Arcade System. Click Here to Enter. http://us.click.yahoo.com/tmpz8B/exbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: SVO heating
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing against the Webb, but it is fairly expensive as I recall, isn't it? I just called my local dealer, and the Webb is $123 without the fuel gauge, and $176 with the gauge. That's higher than I had remembered. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] [Fwd: HotSTK pricing]
A bit more than I was hoping: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Webb Hot STK pricing
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[biofuel] cheap filter cartriges
Just found 10x2.5 melt blown polypropyelene cartridge filters in 50,20,10,5,and 1 micron for $2.50 US each. Grainger industrial supply. www.grainger.com I have used spun poly cartridge filters before..but they cost twice as much. Does anyone know what the difference is besides price? Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Win a Capcom Console Game. http://us.click.yahoo.com/smpz8B/fxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SVO/WVO Hot STK pricing
Sorry for the empty posts - I was up way too late last night cranking out the SVO posts (not as late as Dana, though :) From: Allen McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Craig: Hot Stk: Suggested list is $222.52 W8791: Suggested list is $121.13 Dims; Length; 16; Diameter: 4; Height: 5.2 w/mounting bracket. Please contact local dealer - we are on direct ship program with Mack, Freightliner International. Please contact us @ 800-728-9322 with any additional questions. Thank you for your inquiry, Greg O. - Original Message - From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: HotSTK pricing Hello, Can you tell me the suggested retail price of a Hot STK with a length of 12 and with the optional fuel sender? And, the price of the WS791 heat exchanger, and it's dimensions? And can I buy directly from you? Thanks, Craig Reece Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [Fwd: HotSTK pricing]
--- craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bit more than I was hoping: craig, I have priced out my design at around $5US for materials and 1 to 2 hours for labor (cutting/drilling/welding/ testing) depending on cost of labor and access to welder (15 minutes tops) this may be the answer. I am willing to share...you be the judge. Let me know directly (not throught the group) and I will send you a rough drawing as an attachment that you can use as you wish. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] sodium borohydrate
Just heard on the tv news that Mercedes is running an experimental vehicle around the country that is running on sodium borohydrate. They mentioned that is was similar to soap, maybe an ester of some sort? Anyone? Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] sodium borohydrate
I heard something on the local National Public Radio station yesterday that someone was unveiling a hydrogen car at at an alternative fuels or solar cars show in Sacramento, and soap was mentioned - as a byproduct, or the material that they made hydrogen from or something. Sorry that I don't know more - I wasn't really able to listen and know almost nothing about fuel cell vehicles. Craig motie_d wrote: Just heard on the tv news that Mercedes is running an experimental vehicle around the country that is running on sodium borohydrate. They mentioned that is was similar to soap, maybe an ester of some sort? Anyone? Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: SVO heating
Motie, Still better than a copper loop, in my opinion. But my truck see some hard off-hiway use, so I'm more worried than most need to be. Craig motie_d wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing against the Webb, but it is fairly expensive as I recall, isn't it? I just called my local dealer, and the Webb is $123 without the fuel gauge, and $176 with the gauge. That's higher than I had remembered. Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited PC-PC calling at Crystal Voice! - Only $1/Mo. Download your free 30 day trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gb1xVB/GxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] sodium borohydrate
Saw same for a Chrysler minivan being displayed, featured last night on news They said similar to Borax, as in 20 mule team borax...What's the price tag? nobody said. That's all I know of it. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:47:47 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] sodium borohydrate Just heard on the tv news that Mercedes is running an experimental vehicle around the country that is running on sodium borohydrate. They mentioned that is was similar to soap, maybe an ester of some sort? Anyone? Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Win a Capcom Console Game of Your Choice Or Even a Capcom Arcade System. Click Here to Enter. http://us.click.yahoo.com/tmpz8B/exbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: SVO heating
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Motie, Still better than a copper loop, in my opinion. But my truck see some hard off-hiway use, so I'm more worried than most need to be. Craig The Webb will withstand hard use. Nearly all the logging trucks here have them. When a fuel tank is seven feet long, and half-filled with fuel going down a logging road, the sloshing tears the factory fuel gauge floats off within a week, unless they've paid for extra baffling. I've not heard of anyone ever having a problem with the Webb leaking. they also have some inline units. There is no need to reinvent the wheel. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biofuel efficiency
Hey there, I am new to the list, and am guessing this sort of thing is either covered in earlier conversations, or a study somewhere. I am interested in biodiesel efficiency. As in, what sort of miles per gallon can be expected. I am interested in producing biodiesel not from recycled grease, but, directly from vegetable oil. In particular, I am interested in using soybean oil. Scott Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: SVO heating
Motie, Sounds good to me! Craig You wrote: The Webb will withstand hard use. Nearly all the logging trucks here have them. When a fuel tank is seven feet long, and half-filled with fuel going down a logging road, the sloshing tears the factory fuel gauge floats off within a week, unless they've paid for extra baffling. I've not heard of anyone ever having a problem with the Webb leaking. they also have some inline units. There is no need to reinvent the wheel. Motie --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Motie, Still better than a copper loop, in my opinion. But my truck see some hard off-hiway use, so I'm more worried than most need to be. Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO--possible tank heat.
- Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Dana my main interest is Biodiesel. Heating the fuel would allow me to use BD from beef tallow/animal fats in winter. ( rarely below 0 deg C in this part of OZ) Information in this branch of discussion group very helpful. How much current does it draw? The kettle is designed to plug into cigarette lighter socket. from memory these usually have a 10 or 15 amp fuse. Rating of element must be low as it takes a long time to boil a small jug of water. Elements designed to heat H2O have a short lifespan in SVO due to the fact that H2O better dissapates heat than SVO. Yes have heard that, would need circulation of SVO over element. Another option people have used is to underrate the element by connecting two in series, but heat output drops off considerably. How do you plan on heating your lines? Since i will be using BD I don't think I will bother with line heating. Any heating will be by engine coolant or electrically at or before filter. Intend to double up on fuel delivery lines. Aftermarket tank fitted has two outlets . Could wrap insulation over delivery and return lines under vehicle but I think the return would not be worth the trouble. Regards, Paul www.ozimages.com.au/profile.asp?MemberID=517 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO--possible tank heat.
Paul, I think a better idea than trying to adapt the heater you have is to either make your own nichrome heat immersion coil or buy the veg therm from Neoteric fuels. I will haevmore info on making your own coils soon..just downloaded software for figuring out draw and output based on dia. and length of wire. Where do you plan on placing this in your BD system again? Would a heated filter work as well? Isn't that the most lilely place to clog with the BD made form animal fats and tallow? Much simpler to heat that. Dana --- Paul Gobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Dana my main interest is Biodiesel. Heating the fuel would allow me to use BD from beef tallow/animal fats in winter. ( rarely below 0 deg C in this part of OZ) Information in this branch of discussion group very helpful. How much current does it draw? The kettle is designed to plug into cigarette lighter socket. from memory these usually have a 10 or 15 amp fuse. Rating of element must be low as it takes a long time to boil a small jug of water. Elements designed to heat H2O have a short lifespan in SVO due to the fact that H2O better dissapates heat than SVO. Yes have heard that, would need circulation of SVO over element. Another option people have used is to underrate the element by connecting two in series, but heat output drops off considerably. How do you plan on heating your lines? Since i will be using BD I don't think I will bother with line heating. Any heating will be by engine coolant or electrically at or before filter. Intend to double up on fuel delivery lines. Aftermarket tank fitted has two outlets . Could wrap insulation over delivery and return lines under vehicle but I think the return would not be worth the trouble. Regards, Paul www.ozimages.com.au/profile.asp?MemberID=517 __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] re: Sodium Borohydrate
All, Many companies are using Boron compounds as a storage medium for Hydrogen. In one instance, the compounds are carried in a solution of sodium hydroxide and are passed over a catalyst (a florinated metal hydride) to release hydrogen and oxygen which are then separated so that the hydrogen may feed a fuel cell. For more info go to: http://alliance.hydrogen.co.jp/E_INDEX/e_1index.html Ted Swarts Kelowna, British Columbia Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO--possible tank heat.
Agree with that. For biodiesel at around freezing, and with no purge of diesel, you need to heat the filter, nothing else. Not ahead of it, not the lines. Just the filter media. Even at that, it might wax up on overnight cooling. The only way around that is to purge it out, basically back to a two-tank. But certainly I'd try some kind of filter heater first. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:44:15 -0800 (PST) To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] SVO--possible tank heat. Paul, I think a better idea than trying to adapt the heater you have is to either make your own nichrome heat immersion coil or buy the veg therm from Neoteric fuels. I will haevmore info on making your own coils soon..just downloaded software for figuring out draw and output based on dia. and length of wire. Where do you plan on placing this in your BD system again? Would a heated filter work as well? Isn't that the most lilely place to clog with the BD made form animal fats and tallow? Much simpler to heat that. Dana Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Soap Floaties in Biodiesel
Everyone, I made some small batches of bio-diesel about a month ago. Now when I look at them in the clear containers there are white floaties in the fuel which I believe to be soap. Is filtering the best way to remove these particles from the bio-diesel? If so what inexpensive methods would you recommend and where to look for the supplies to do it? Ben Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SVO heating
I am thinking that the coolant is basically free heat, as it is a waste product of the engine running, but that using more than a small amount of electricity to heat the WVO wwill use more fuel, and cause wear on belts, alternators, and perhaps cause elctrical problems in the wiring or other parts that weere not designed for high amp, %100 duty cycle use. I have found VW rabbits in particular to have slightly (not terrible, but slightly) underpowered and under wired electrical systems. If one were to use a lot of electrical heat, it might be a good idea to run some big wires to the battery from the alternator, make sure there are large and sound grounding wires, and if possible, to install a larger alternator to guard against the worst case highest electrical use scenario. Feel free to tell me I am being too fussy. anton Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SVO heating
You are not fussy, coolant heat is mainly waste heat anyway. I would rather use the heat from the coolant than put an extra load on my engine that robs power and burns more fuel. --- Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking that the coolant is basically free heat, as it is a waste product of the engine running, but that using more than a small amount of electricity to heat the WVO wwill use more fuel, and cause wear on belts, alternators, and perhaps cause elctrical problems in the wiring or other parts that weere not designed for high amp, %100 duty cycle use. I have found VW rabbits in particular to have slightly (not terrible, but slightly) underpowered and under wired electrical systems. If one were to use a lot of electrical heat, it might be a good idea to run some big wires to the battery from the alternator, make sure there are large and sound grounding wires, and if possible, to install a larger alternator to guard against the worst case highest electrical use scenario. Feel free to tell me I am being too fussy. anton = -Martin Klingensmith http://devzero.ath.cx/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO heating
Yes it is nice to use that waste heat. However, a lot of people want an inexpensive, easy installation, and live in warm climates, or they want to boost to compensate for losses from the glycol heat exchanger setup. Self-regulating in the case of our heater means on a sliding scale, not full on/ full off cycling. Amperage draw drops off as the SVO gets warmer and there is no abrupt on/off cycling like thermoswitch types. As for extra load on the engine, we are talking about a max of 30 amps, and a much more usual case of under 10-15 or less once under way. (For electric only, use fuel recirc. to tank, and a fairly small tank, and of course for HIH systems, it all gets most of the way to temp without the heater, so the heater is just drawing minimal power to finish off the job). So at 100-200 watts a lot of the time, let's say 150, that's about, what, 0.2 horsepower. Even on a non-turbo worn out autonemic Rabbit, you can pick that up in terms of fuel economy and performance by checking the air pressure in your tires a little more often or turning down the Hip-hop on those big back seat speakers you installed to drown out the rattle of the diesel. ;-) Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:55:00 -0800 (PST) To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] SVO heating You are not fussy, coolant heat is mainly waste heat anyway. I would rather use the heat from the coolant than put an extra load on my engine that robs power and burns more fuel. --- Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking that the coolant is basically free heat, as it is a waste product of the engine running, but that using more than a small amount of electricity to heat the WVO wwill use more fuel, and cause wear on belts, alternators, and perhaps cause elctrical problems in the wiring or other parts that weere not designed for high amp, %100 duty cycle use. I have found VW rabbits in particular to have slightly (not terrible, but slightly) underpowered and under wired electrical systems. If one were to use a lot of electrical heat, it might be a good idea to run some big wires to the battery from the alternator, make sure there are large and sound grounding wires, and if possible, to install a larger alternator to guard against the worst case highest electrical use scenario. Feel free to tell me I am being too fussy. anton = -Martin Klingensmith http://devzero.ath.cx/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biofuel efficiency
Very close to diesel. Maybe a few % less. Lots of studies. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: scottv_27526 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:40:46 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biofuel efficiency Hey there, I am new to the list, and am guessing this sort of thing is either covered in earlier conversations, or a study somewhere. I am interested in biodiesel efficiency. As in, what sort of miles per gallon can be expected. I am interested in producing biodiesel not from recycled grease, but, directly from vegetable oil. In particular, I am interested in using soybean oil. Scott Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] sodium borohydrate
Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote: Saw same for a Chrysler minivan being displayed, featured last night on news They said similar to Borax, as in 20 mule team borax...What's the price tag? nobody said. That's all I know of it. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca Steve Spence posted this link a few weeks ago. http://www.millenniumcell.com/solutions/white_hydrogen.html I asked someone on the sci.energy.hydrogen list who is passionate about boron about this paper, and he was rather dismissive. Again, we'll have to wait and see. (What else is new?) robert luis rabello Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO--possible tank heat.
- Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think a better idea than trying to adapt the heater you have is to either make your own nichrome heat immersion coil or buy the veg therm from Neoteric fuels. I will haevmore info on making your own coils soon..just downloaded software for figuring out draw and output based on dia. and length of wire. Sounds interesting Dana. Where do you plan on placing this in your BD system again? Would a heated filter work as well? Isn't that the most lilely place to clog with the BD made form animal fats and tallow? Much simpler to heat that. Yes, heated filter sounds like first step. Paul. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
