Re: [biofuel] New to the group!!!!!
EPA.GOV has links to how to make your own biodiesel fuels. Also check out the following sites for other information, more technical truthabouttrade.org - Original Message - From: joao To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:28 PM Subject: [biofuel] New to the group! Hi there, I'm new on this group, and I'd like to share all the kinds of experiences with all the members. I'm from Portugal Europe, and at the moment I'm building a kit car, but I'd like to make some biodiesel to my other car. I have one car with the engine from VW 1,9TDI with 110HP, and I'd like to know if we can use this fuel in any diesel car in Special in mine. I'd like to know if anyone can give me good links explaning How to make our onw biodiesel with the oil food. Thank you all. Best Regards Joo Martins www.martinsportscar.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: bioethanol
- contact ecogenics for ethanol plant design development and construction see our state- of -the -art ethanol plant on www dabney.com/ecogenics/ Marc Cardoso Dear -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, jojosantoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in obtaining information on the possibilities of purchasing a plant to produce ethanol from sugarcane. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New to the group!!!!!
Matthew Wisz wrote: EPA.GOV has links to how to make your own biodiesel fuels. Then why not provide the links? It's rather a large site to go wandering about on. Also check out the following sites for other information, more technical truthabouttrade.org What information about biodiesel is to be found at this site? What reliable information of any type is to be found at this site? This is just another industry front-group, part of the so-called Wise Use so-called movement, you'll only find spin there, not information. Why are you promoting this toxic nonsense here? Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: joao To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:28 PM Subject: [biofuel] New to the group! Hi there, I'm new on this group, and I'd like to share all the kinds of experiences with all the members. I'm from Portugal Europe, and at the moment I'm building a kit car, but I'd like to make some biodiesel to my other car. I have one car with the engine from VW 1,9TDI with 110HP, and I'd like to know if we can use this fuel in any diesel car in Special in mine. I'd like to know if anyone can give me good links explaning How to make our onw biodiesel with the oil food. Thank you all. Best Regards Joo Martins www.martinsportscar.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Usage in NC
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/413048553 This petition was setup to acknowledge the need to research more on the economic impact from the use of alternative fuels in NC, and abroad. Please help me reach my goal, and follow the links. That would help me SO Much. Thank you, Matthew Wisz TriStar Computer Solutions Hm... ... a replinishable crop such as soyfuel? You think soy is a good energy crop or a good biofuels crop? Not many people think so, unless they have industry interests. Money which not only could instantly spark economic growth, but save farming communities and jobs. If the idea is to keep jobs in North Carolina...Then let's make a reason for big biotech companies to come to North Carolina. Would you care to explain this strange reasoning? What is the relationship between big biotech companies and biodiesel, or between biotech and biodiesel? Do you know of any instances of big biotech companies saving farming communities and jobs? Why do you want big biotech companies to come to North Carolina? Don't you like North Carolina? Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New to the group!!!!!
Hi Joo, and welcome Hi there, I'm new on this group, and I'd like to share all the kinds of experiences with all the members. I'm from Portugal Europe, and at the moment I'm building a kit car, but I'd like to make some biodiesel to my other car. I have one car with the engine from VW 1,9TDI with 110HP, and I'd like to know if we can use this fuel in any diesel car in Special in mine. I'd like to know if anyone can give me good links explaning How to make our onw biodiesel with the oil food. Thank you all. Best Regards Joo Martins www.martinsportscar.com Nice project. You can use biodiesel in any diesel motor. The best place to learn how to make biodiesel is right here. See the links at the end of each message you receive: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ The first is acknowledged as the premier source of small-scale biofuels information on the Web. The second is a treasure house of information on all aspects of biofuels, especially biodiesel - it contains 35,000 messages over the last four years, many of them from leaders in the field worldwide. For biodiesel, see: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html Biodiesel: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re[2]: [biofuel] Oil and Israel
Hallo MM, Thursday, 27 May, 2004, 12:36:07, you wrote: Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. m Actually, around the time of the start of the invasion of Iraq, m Israeli Intelligence, I saw in one news report, stated that WMD or m other weapons (I don't recall how it was put) were being moved to m Syria. I've never seen this mentioned before or since. Intelligence services are not to be trusted. Dis/mis-information is a valuable tool as much as good intel is. All possible sources must be monitored and the info correlated and either falsified or coroborated. A lot of work and it is only really good over the long haul. One has to be a really good analyst to sort the wheat from the chaff. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
Brian, Not only that, but they say that the shell with some trace remains of Sarin, was pre first Gulf war and that means that it was US who supplied the Sarin at that time. To be used against Iran of course, negotiated by Rumsfeldt. No wonder that they thought that Saddam had kept more of the WMDs they delivered, must be very surprising that they cannot find any. Most of is anyway useless, for other than political maneuvering, after such a long time. Mustard gas keeps much longer, as many fishermen unfortunately experienced from after World Wars dumping in the oceans. US is a funny nation, who seriously try to impeach a president for sexual reasons and admire a president who wage war and driving the US economy/debt to its worst levels since the depression. LOL Hakan At 22:33 27/05/2004, you wrote: Hmmm.. One poorly substantiated Sarin shell is proof of a major WMD program in Iraq? That's what I hear you saying. Please understand that I in no way have any intention to do so, but I am sure that I could produce and detonate a single Sarin shell here in Indiana. Would that be proof to you that Saddam had gotten his WMDs into the US and was planning a major assault in the Midwest? That seems to be where your logic leads. And, if the US was in the business of deposing all sociopaths in power, we would be awfully busy. Why specifically pick on Saddam. If we thought he was that bad, why did we support him on his way up? I don't know who Christopher Hutchins is, but I am thinking that he would be close a frontrunner for the post of complete idiot in my book. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, the_maniacal_engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there were no WMD's. there was no sarin shell used against US troops, these aren't the droids you're looking for... you can go about your business... move along. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Iraq still retains control of its own oil, we have not seized it, although we could have, and there were WMD's (duh - where did the ssarin shell come from?) Christopher hitchins says there are 4 ways you can tell a complete idiot. These are the things a complete idiot says: 1) sure Saddam was a bad guy but Saddam was a sociopath and so were his putative heirs. 2) We are just going to war to take the Iraqi oil We buy the oil from iraq at market prices, and unlike the oil for food program administered by the corrupt french and russian interests at the UN, the money does not go to build opulent palaces or for weapons programs. 3) there is no connection between Saddam and terror or Saddam is just a secular tyrant and has no truck with those religious zealots he paid $25000 for each suicide bomber. the WTC bombing mastermind went to Iraq shortly after 9/11 and was given haven in Iraq, and is still there today. One of the planners of 9/11 was a colonel is Saddam's fedayin. 4) there were no WMD's DUH, they existed at the end of the first gulf war. to destroy them without supervision was a violation of international law. The Sarin and mustard attacks recently against US troops prove the contention that they didn't exist is totally false. didn't the ambassador recall that we just LEFT Saudi Arabia? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htmhttp://w ww.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. I'd like to point out that there are some substantial differences in trying to make the case that America's oil dependencies have 'led' inexorably to certain
[biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
This is the 4th hit that turns up when you do a Yahoo! search on: American Imperialism http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm America's war in Iraq directly snubbed the international community, resulted in unjustifiable human rights abuses and has done nothing to protect, if anything it's increased danger, to Americans at home and abroad. I have heard or read nothing that convinces me otherwise. It was reported that several days before the war Saddam Hussein made attempts through reliable diplomatic channels to effectively surrender. He wanted to prevent the US invasion of Iraq by leaving Iraq for a neighboring country. All of these attempts were rebuffed by the US. I really believe personal beliefs and misguided logic dictated President Bush's push to invade. The invasion was at best premature. Lost in all this is the situation in Afghanistan... another victim of poorly planned U.S. aggression. While it made more sense to invade, we've done little to stabalize the country after we mucked with Afghani politics. Anyway, what are we left with? Concern in the international community that the US is embarking on world domination, increased instability in the Middle East and no resolution in sight. Biofuels provide an opportunity to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels and take some power back from the multinational energy corporations who are responsible for their own share of human rights abuses and invariably contribute to the current mess we're in (political and environmental). Having a biodiesel processor in your backyard won't solve the world's problems but it's a step in the right direction and I applaud everyone on this board who's making that happen. Thanks, Gordon --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, Not only that, but they say that the shell with some trace remains of Sarin, was pre first Gulf war and that means that it was US who supplied the Sarin at that time. To be used against Iran of course, negotiated by Rumsfeldt. No wonder that they thought that Saddam had kept more of the WMDs they delivered, must be very surprising that they cannot find any. Most of is anyway useless, for other than political maneuvering, after such a long time. Mustard gas keeps much longer, as many fishermen unfortunately experienced from after World Wars dumping in the oceans. US is a funny nation, who seriously try to impeach a president for sexual reasons and admire a president who wage war and driving the US economy/debt to its worst levels since the depression. LOL Hakan At 22:33 27/05/2004, you wrote: Hmmm.. One poorly substantiated Sarin shell is proof of a major WMD program in Iraq? That's what I hear you saying. Please understand that I in no way have any intention to do so, but I am sure that I could produce and detonate a single Sarin shell here in Indiana. Would that be proof to you that Saddam had gotten his WMDs into the US and was planning a major assault in the Midwest? That seems to be where your logic leads. And, if the US was in the business of deposing all sociopaths in power, we would be awfully busy. Why specifically pick on Saddam. If we thought he was that bad, why did we support him on his way up? I don't know who Christopher Hutchins is, but I am thinking that he would be close a frontrunner for the post of complete idiot in my book. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, the_maniacal_engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there were no WMD's. there was no sarin shell used against US troops, these aren't the droids you're looking for... you can go about your business... move along. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Iraq still retains control of its own oil, we have not seized it, although we could have, and there were WMD's (duh - where did the ssarin shell come from?) Christopher hitchins says there are 4 ways you can tell a complete idiot. These are the things a complete idiot says: 1) sure Saddam was a bad guy but Saddam was a sociopath and so were his putative heirs. 2) We are just going to war to take the Iraqi oil We buy the oil from iraq at market prices, and unlike the oil for food program administered by the corrupt french and russian interests at the UN, the money does not go to build opulent palaces or for weapons programs. 3) there is no connection between Saddam and terror or Saddam is just a secular tyrant and has no truck with those religious zealots he paid $25000 for each suicide bomber. the WTC bombing mastermind went to Iraq shortly after 9/11 and was given haven in Iraq, and is still there today. One of the planners of 9/11 was a colonel is Saddam's fedayin. 4) there were no WMD's DUH, they existed at the end of the first gulf war. to destroy them without supervision was a
[biofuel] Re: proper storage of used cooking oil to make it last longest possible
I have a related question. Can anyone think of something that would float on the surface of the WVO without melting? I would like to reduce oxidation and increase storage life by covering the surface area of WVO stored in a large tank with a lot of floating objects that won't melt in the WVO...maybe ping pong balls? Styrofoam peanuts? Scraps of bubble pack? Would home heating oil float on the WVO or mix with it? Is there some other oil that would float on WVO? I have scavenged three home heating oil tanks that I hope to use for my future WVO Collection Coop. These 265 gallon tanks are about 5 feet long x 30 inches high x 18 inches wide. The ends are ovoid. So what this means is that a partial tank of WVO exposes a surface area of somewhat less than 5 feet by 18 inches to the air within the tank. Thoughts or ideas? Thanks! Maud St. Louis, Missouri --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kept cool and in the dark, filled to the top (as close as you can) and sealed, it could last months without a problem - but it's still best to store for as short a period as possible. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 02:38 PM, TJ Ferreira wrote: While I start buying the parts to build my $150 Fumeless Processor, I wonder what the best way to store any used cooking oil that I pick up from local restaurants and how long it should last to be useable for biodiesel. So far I only picked up a test 5 gallon sample but have a couple other restaurants lined up to allow me to get used oil from them. My current 5 gallon container is in a cardboard box surrounding a plastic internal jug. I filled most of the way up but still is some room up at top. I placed a sandwich baggie over the top fill hole with a rubber band to keep stuff out. I then placed in my shed. Is this OK or will the oil go bad quickly? Are we talking about months or days for the oil to go bad? I just want to start collecting it while I can and am building the processor so when it is done, I am ready to go. If there is a better way to store it, let me know. Thanks Thomas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
Hakan, Most of us in the USA hate what the current regime is doing and would like nothing better than to see them all hang for war crimes and treason. Regards, John Hakan Falk wrote: US is a funny nation, who seriously try to impeach a president for sexual reasons and admire a president who wage war and driving the US economy/debt to its worst levels since the depression. LOL Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: proper storage of used cooking oil to make it last longest possible
It ought to take months for your oil to go rancid, considering it lasts a
week or so exposed to air at high temperatures.
Displace air with carbon dioxide - when the tank (smaller is better) is just
about full put the nozzle of a MIG gun in and press the trigger - 18 litres/
minute should go in - assuming you have turned off the welding current
(there is usually such a function for starting out a new roll of wire) and
released tension roller on the wire, then seal. Or route the exhaust of
your homebrew kit into the tank with cap on but loose, preferably via some
drier chemical. If the oil is clean and dry it should last years..-
Original Message -
From: maudessen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: proper storage of used cooking oil to make it last
longest possible
I have a related question.
Can anyone think of something that would float on the surface of
the WVO without melting?
I would like to reduce oxidation and increase storage life by
covering the surface area of WVO stored in a large tank with a lot
of floating objects that won't melt in the WVO...maybe ping pong
balls? Styrofoam peanuts? Scraps of bubble pack?
Would home heating oil float on the WVO or mix with it? Is there
some other oil that would float on WVO?
I have scavenged three home heating oil tanks that I hope to use
for my future WVO Collection Coop. These 265 gallon tanks are
about 5 feet long x 30 inches high x 18 inches wide. The ends
are ovoid. So what this means is that a partial tank of WVO
exposes a surface area of somewhat less than 5 feet by 18
inches to the air within the tank.
Thoughts or ideas?
Thanks!
Maud
St. Louis, Missouri
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kept cool and in the dark, filled to the top (as close as you can)
and
sealed, it could last months without a problem - but it's still
best to
store for as short a period as possible.
Edward Beggs
http://www.biofuels.ca
On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 02:38 PM, TJ Ferreira wrote:
While I start buying the parts to build my $150 Fumeless
Processor, I
wonder what the best way to store any used cooking oil that I
pick up
from local restaurants and how long it should last to be
useable for
biodiesel. So far I only picked up a test 5 gallon sample but
have a
couple other restaurants lined up to allow me to get used oil
from
them. My current 5 gallon container is in a cardboard box
surrounding
a plastic internal jug. I filled most of the way up but still is
some
room up at top. I placed a sandwich baggie over the top fill
hole
with a rubber band to keep stuff out. I then placed in my
shed. Is
this OK or will the oil go bad quickly? Are we talking about
months
or days for the oil to go bad? I just want to start collecting it
while I can and am building the processor so when it is
done, I am
ready to go. If there is a better way to store it, let me know.
Thanks
Thomas
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Re: [biofuel] Re: proper storage of used cooking oil to make it last longest possible
Nitrogen pack it.
- Original Message -
From: maudessen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:36 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: proper storage of used cooking oil to make it last
longest possible
I have a related question.
Can anyone think of something that would float on the surface of
the WVO without melting?
I would like to reduce oxidation and increase storage life by
covering the surface area of WVO stored in a large tank with a lot
of floating objects that won't melt in the WVO...maybe ping pong
balls? Styrofoam peanuts? Scraps of bubble pack?
Would home heating oil float on the WVO or mix with it? Is there
some other oil that would float on WVO?
I have scavenged three home heating oil tanks that I hope to use
for my future WVO Collection Coop. These 265 gallon tanks are
about 5 feet long x 30 inches high x 18 inches wide. The ends
are ovoid. So what this means is that a partial tank of WVO
exposes a surface area of somewhat less than 5 feet by 18
inches to the air within the tank.
Thoughts or ideas?
Thanks!
Maud
St. Louis, Missouri
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kept cool and in the dark, filled to the top (as close as you can)
and
sealed, it could last months without a problem - but it's still
best to
store for as short a period as possible.
Edward Beggs
http://www.biofuels.ca
On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 02:38 PM, TJ Ferreira wrote:
While I start buying the parts to build my $150 Fumeless
Processor, I
wonder what the best way to store any used cooking oil that I
pick up
from local restaurants and how long it should last to be
useable for
biodiesel. So far I only picked up a test 5 gallon sample but
have a
couple other restaurants lined up to allow me to get used oil
from
them. My current 5 gallon container is in a cardboard box
surrounding
a plastic internal jug. I filled most of the way up but still is
some
room up at top. I placed a sandwich baggie over the top fill
hole
with a rubber band to keep stuff out. I then placed in my
shed. Is
this OK or will the oil go bad quickly? Are we talking about
months
or days for the oil to go bad? I just want to start collecting it
while I can and am building the processor so when it is
done, I am
ready to go. If there is a better way to store it, let me know.
Thanks
Thomas
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Re: [biofuel] Propane heated water heater processor
I'm new to the group but the safest way to heat would be a heat exchanger system where you heat water then pipe the hot water or steam to your processor then either recycle /circulate back to your heater, Maybe not suitable but how do you heat water now, maybe you could pipe some of your existing water to heat the oil. just some thoughts and looking to make some biodeisel myself when I move into my own home Regards Nick - Original Message - From: Jeremy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 3:07 AM Subject: [biofuel] Propane heated water heater processor I am going to build a water heater style fumeless processor as described by Girl Mark. I am wondering if anyone has converted a natural gas or propane hot water heater into a fumeless biofuel processor. I live off grid, and an electric hot water heater conversion would max out my solar/diesel generation capacity. I am guessing that it would only take a couple of gallons of propane to heat the oil. I am concerned about the safety of an open flame in a processor. Thanks for any response. Jeremy Tonasket, Washington [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hybrids put to the test
Coming In Out Of The Cold; Hybrids put to the test By Jennifer Lee Point Roberts, WA, Delta B.C.- May 25, 2004 With gas prices reaching an all time high and not much promise of an end in sight, hybrid technology is falling under the lens of some careful scrutiny these days with investors. In a recent article in MIT's Technology Review, author Peter Fairley estimates though buyers would have to pay more initially for gas-electric hybrids, they could save, on average, $5,000 at the gas pump over the 15-year life of a vehicle. full article http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_hybrids04.html Alternative Energy Weekly News Alerts http://www.alternate-energy.net/newsalerts04-12.html Alternative Energy System Calculators http://www.alternate-energy.net/calcsyst04.html Magnetism and Magnetic Physics http://www.alternate-energy.net/hist04-1b.html Electro-Magnetics http://www.alternate-energy.net/electromagnetic04.html Software Tools for Magnetic Field Visualization, electromagnetic and High Frequency Electromagnetic Simulation etc. http://www.alternate-energy.net/soft04.html Magnetic Levitation and Magnetic Physics resources http://www.alternate-energy.net/electrolev04b.html Alternative Energy Resource Webring http://scripts.cgispy.com/webring/webring.cgi?id=tallex123456 Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] newbie needs help ...
hey all -- Im looking into a Diesel vehicle purchase. The idea of course is good mpg and running biodiesel I plan to make at home... I guess Im stuck between a cherokee Im building running a nissan 2.8 diesel ... A Dodge Ram (1997-1999) diesel or a VW TDI. There is tons of info on the VW's but I cant find info on the other 2 engines. Has anyone here run bioD on either a RAM or RD28 ??? If so how was/is your experiance going and what mpg are you getting?? Thx ... Omi R [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.miamitj.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] Oil and Israel
--- Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hallo MM, Thursday, 27 May, 2004, 12:36:07, you wrote: Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. m Actually, around the time of the start of the invasion of Iraq, m Israeli Intelligence, I saw in one news report, stated that WMD or m other weapons (I don't recall how it was put) were being moved to m Syria. I've never seen this mentioned before or since. Intelligence services are not to be trusted. Dis/mis-information is a valuable tool as much as good intel is. All possible sources must be monitored and the info correlated and either falsified or coroborated. A lot of work and it is only really good over the long haul. One has to be a really good analyst to sort the wheat from the chaff. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. oh ya! if the wmd moved to syria, the American geostationary satellite, that has been keeping an eye on iraq since the golf war, would spot them. Isreal has its own agenda to undermine the neighboring Arab countries so that Isrealian can keep the land they stole from the Arabs in 1967. How does the USA justify the possesion of 100 atomic bombs by the Isrealians and anything else the Arabs may or may not possess. Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Oil and Israel -- Don't forget the Neo-Cons and the Evangelical Right
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - See: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/23824/ Best Keith I think the real reason for this war can be traced back to Mr. Bush's Evangelical roots... and his faith based approach to foreign policy. Radical Neo-Conservatives are running this country and doing exactly what they have proposed for years... They believe without failing that by installing a democratic regime in the Middle East, they can convert the Islamic world to be more like the West. This irrational policy totally ignores facts, and cannot hear any dissent (or logic). They Bush Administration is simply doing exactly what the Evangelical and Neo-Con movements have been talking about for years! None of this should be a surprise to anyone. The largest political block in this country supporting the war has been, and continues to be, evangelical Christians (polling at 80% in support of the war). To pass the blame onto Israel is really a copout Sure the current Likud government is in support of the war, but Bush would sell Israel down the river in a second if he thought it would help his political position. I advise everyone to go to PBS and watch a Frontline piece on Bushes ties to the Evangelical Christian right. In his mind we are fighting the Armageddon... clash of civilizations. Israel and the Jews are not running this show... I really believe that Israel is only important to this administration as a pawn in the biblical prophecy they truly believe they are fulfilling. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/ We are truly in scary times We need to all work for change and bring this country and the world back from the brink. Matt Golden - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Oil and Israel http://www.tompaine.com/articles/oil_and_israel.php Oil and Israel Bob Dreyfuss , The Dreyfuss Report May 25, 2004 The two unmentionables about Iraq are suddenly getting mentioned. The real reasons for the attack on Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs, that ultimate red herring. The real reasons: oil and Israel. Let's take oil first. Prince Turki al -Faisal , the Saudi ambassador to the UK and no radical he, charges that the invasion of Iraq might have had something to do with what's under Iraq's sand: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/forms/printstory.asp?section=Breaki ngstoryId=868913tw=wn_wire_story The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a colonial war and there were some in the United States who saw it as a means of getting their hands on Iraqi oil, a senior Saudi ambassador was quoted as saying Monday. Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. Okay, not exactly courageous, but it's a start. Speaking of courage though, have you seen Sen. Fritz Hollings' statement that Israel, too, was a major reason for the war in Iraq? Hollings, the white-haired courtly southern gentleman, who's finally retiring and getting out of Dodge, wrote an article for the Charleston Post and Courier on May 6 (now posted on Hollings' website), noting that perhaps President Bush was motivated to attack Iraq more by his desire to protect Ariel Sharon's Israel than any other reason. Wrote Hollings : http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/opinion/2004506A17.html Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. Israel's survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would have taken
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
--- Matt Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - If claims that Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda were true, we would be hearing it from the administration, however even they are not making these assertions. The fact that Saddam had WMD is not in dispute, however we went to war because we were told by our president that we had evidence that Saddam currently has WMD and a Nuclear program, and there for presented an eminent threat to America -- a LIE. We are talking about going to war half way around the world, killing so far 800 Americans, with over 10,000 wounded... and countless dead, maimed, homeless Iraqis... (not to mention over $200 billion spent when children go hungry without health care right here in America). I for one expect a higher standard of proof and reason then we got from this administration. Bottom line, this war will go down in history as a tragic mistake. We may never be able to recover our standing and moral ground in the world. We will create armies of terrorists that will fight American interests for years to come, and we may find that we stand alone in that fight. - Original Message - From: the_maniacal_engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel there were no WMD's. there was no sarin shell used against US troops, these aren't the droids you're looking for... you can go about your business... move along. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Iraq still retains control of its own oil, we have not seized it, although we could have, and there were WMD's (duh - where did the ssarin shell come from?) Christopher hitchins says there are 4 ways you can tell a complete idiot. These are the things a complete idiot says: 1) sure Saddam was a bad guy but Saddam was a sociopath and so were his putative heirs. 2) We are just going to war to take the Iraqi oil We buy the oil from iraq at market prices, and unlike the oil for food program administered by the corrupt french and russian interests at the UN, the money does not go to build opulent palaces or for weapons programs. 3) there is no connection between Saddam and terror or Saddam is just a secular tyrant and has no truck with those religious zealots he paid $25000 for each suicide bomber. the WTC bombing mastermind went to Iraq shortly after 9/11 and was given haven in Iraq, and is still there today. One of the planners of 9/11 was a colonel is Saddam's fedayin. 4) there were no WMD's DUH, they existed at the end of the first gulf war. to destroy them without supervision was a violation of international law. The Sarin and mustard attacks recently against US troops prove the contention that they didn't exist is totally false. didn't the ambassador recall that we just LEFT Saudi Arabia? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. I'd like to point out that there are some substantial differences in trying to make the case that America's oil dependencies have 'led' inexorably to certain events, and to claiming that, specifically and simplistically, America was simply trying to take oil. They are not necessarily the same claim. I would be very much in favor of examining the first point and trying to figure it out and examine the issue of causality. As to the second, I question it, though I guess it's possible. The author of this article, though, leaves little or no room for the idea that there could be a difference, so the conversation and the article
Re: [biofuel] newbie needs help ...
Cant beat the VW TDi. 53 MPG @ 70 MPH highway, about 45 city, a little less now that I run the AC. Running B20 (20% biodiesel) - Original Message - From: Omi Ramirez To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 1:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] newbie needs help ... hey all -- Im looking into a Diesel vehicle purchase. The idea of course is good mpg and running biodiesel I plan to make at home... I guess Im stuck between a cherokee Im building running a nissan 2.8 diesel ... A Dodge Ram (1997-1999) diesel or a VW TDI. There is tons of info on the VW's but I cant find info on the other 2 engines. Has anyone here run bioD on either a RAM or RD28 ??? If so how was/is your experiance going and what mpg are you getting?? Thx ... Omi R [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.miamitj.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] cocodiesel,cocodiesoline,and biofuel
hello to everybody at biofuel...i would just like to ask if anybody has any idea on how to make diesel from coconuts or petroleum in general from any plant material (like sunflower or palm oil) using a laboratory scale method? I would be interested to make some at home...any ideas will be welcome to email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks so much. cheers! gerard ** Get your free E-Mail account at WWW.DIGITELONE.COM ** Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] newbie needs help ...
try a MB 300d ,SD orCD - Original Message - From: Omi Ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] newbie needs help ... hey all -- Im looking into a Diesel vehicle purchase. The idea of course is good mpg and running biodiesel I plan to make at home... I guess Im stuck between a cherokee Im building running a nissan 2.8 diesel ... A Dodge Ram (1997-1999) diesel or a VW TDI. There is tons of info on the VW's but I cant find info on the other 2 engines. Has anyone here run bioD on either a RAM or RD28 ??? If so how was/is your experiance going and what mpg are you getting?? Thx ... Omi R [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.miamitj.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [WoodGas] Re: -----hydrocarbon cracking
Hallo All, I thought this may be of some interest to some on the list. I know it is something I have wondered about for a good while now. Happy Happy, Gustl This is a forwarded message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 27 May, 2004, 23:57:57 Subject: : Re: [WoodGas] Re: -hydrocarbon cracking ==Original message text=== [Gustl, if you'd like to forward this to the Biofuel list you'd be more than welcome. - K] Hello Gustl Keith, When I first joined the biodiesel lists I asked about deodorizing the glycerine but was told it couldn't be done. Now this fellow, Marc, is talking about the glycerine being used for all sorts of things including soaps which, in my view, wouldn't fly with the odor it has. Has anyone come up with something I have missed and has a method of deodorizing the glycerine? Marc's right, glycerine is a valuable product with many uses. To the extent that the commercial soapmakers remove it from the soap because they can get better prices for it elsewhere - for instance in the form of skin softeners and so on to counter the effects of all that harsh glycerine-free soap! Ain't capitalism wonderful! But how valuable and useful it might be to us is another matter. I've thought of deodorising the by-product by filtering it through charcoal, but I never tried it because I think it's the wrong problem. Note I said by-product, not glycerine: generally we talk of the by-product or the glycerine cocktail. What drops out of a biodiesel reaction is not only glycerine, or often not even mainly glycerine. This is from our website: What sinks to the bottom of the biodiesel processor during the settling stage is a mixture of glycerine, methanol, soaps and the lye catalyst. Most of the excess methanol and most of the catalyst remains in this layer. And: A commonly asked question: How much glycerine do you get? A better question would be: How much of the glycerine layer is actually glycerine? The rule of thumb is 79 milliliters of glycerine per liter of oil used -- 7.9%. In fact there's usually more soap -- the glycerine layer is more of a soap layer than anything else. Unless you use Aleks Kac's Foolproof acid-base two-stage process, that is... -- From: Separating glycerine http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#separate If you do just that, separate the by-product into it's different components as described there, you get three layers: on top, the soaps, converted back into Free Fatty Acids (in making biodiesel you remove the FFAs from the reaction by converting them to soaps, this converts them back again); below that, a layer of glycerine, maybe 85-95% pure (this layer contains the excess methanol, which can now be reclaimed for re-use); and on the bottom the catalyst, in the form of a layer of sodium or potassium phosphate salts. The important bit - once the methanol is removed, this separated glycerine doesn't smell much. The smell goes with the FFAs. It's the soaps in the by-product that smell, more than the glycerine. Problem solved. Or is it? Not really... You can't make soap out of glycerine. You can add it to soap, but if the soap already contains the glycerine content of the oil/fat it was produced from, it probably won't need any more. There's an upper limit to the glycerine content of soap and it's not very high - it's an alcohol after all. Can you sell it? Yes, in theory - but in the US anyway, only by the container-load, unless you find a special outlet. If it were really pure, 99%+, you might have more luck, but that means distilling it, and the boiling point is 290 deg C, 554 deg F, needs lots of energy. Purpose-built solvent purification distillers are rather expensive. It might though be worth putting this separated glycerine through a carbon filter. As for making soap with any of this stuff, not so easy. The by-product as-is, the whole cocktail, is a powerful degreaser (remove the methanol first), but not exactly a soap. Too alkaline, for one thing, harsh, with all that lye still in there. There are people who say they make soap out of it, and you can do that, but it's low-grade soap, not something you'd want to sell. The commercial soapmakers make soap out of Free Fatty Acids, but I don't think you'd have much success on a kitchen or backyard scale - you might get soap, I suppose, but again, low-grade, and, your original problem, it'll smell of WVO. In the trade this stuff is produced by deacidifying virgin oil to meet food-grade standards and so on, it's called soapstock or foots, and there isn't a very good market for it. It makes good heating fuel though (in a Turk burner or something similar), and it can be used for pre-heating WVO for making biodiesel. The third layer at the bottom when you separate the by-product cocktail, the catalyst, is probably the easiest bit to sell. It's one of the
[biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
This is the big lie, told over and over untuil it is held as truth. What GWB IN FACT said in his state of the union speech that is so often misquioted, is that in light of 9/11 we could NO LONGER WAIT for the threat to BECOME IMMINENT before we responded. Obviously that means that he knew that the threat wasn't yet imminent, and by the way he phrased this was telling us that it was not yet imminent. you are either a liar or you have bought the media line that GWB knowingly claimed Iraq was an imminent threat - which is it - dishonest or ignorant? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Matt Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If claims that Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda were true, we would be hearing it from the administration, however even they are not making these assertions. The fact that Saddam had WMD is not in dispute, however we went to war because we were told by our president that we had evidence that Saddam currently has WMD and a Nuclear program, and there for presented an eminent threat to America -- a LIE. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
Not most, some. And not me. This war is ugly and nasty and will be long and hard, but it is a civilizational struggle between god's alleged servants and the allegedly enlightened ones. You pick which is which. the only thing I know is that the two sides cannot coexist, and I want my side to win. Politically incorrect as it may be, I think that the ideals of western civilization (as opposed to its common practice) are superior to the ideals of fundamentalist radical islam (as they are now practiced in parts of the arab world). oh yeah, clinton was impeached (and lost his law license) for perjury and obstructing justice in a federal sexual harrassment case, not for getting serviced in the oval office. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, jtcava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hakan, Most of us in the USA hate what the current regime is doing and would like nothing better than to see them all hang for war crimes and treason. Regards, John Hakan Falk wrote: US is a funny nation, who seriously try to impeach a president for sexual reasons and admire a president who wage war and driving the US economy/debt to its worst levels since the depression. LOL Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Finally, biodiesel questions
Hello all. After a month or two hanging out on the list, I have finally overcome supplier hassles, financial constraints, being out of town unexpectedly for my mother's funeral, etc., and am now ready to start making some biodiesel. I am planning some test batches for this weekend using Canola oil that I have been hoarding for a couple of months. My initial questions relate to using what I have on hand to run the test batches. A while back, a person mentioned using Grolsch bottles to mix methoxide for test batches. I have a similar bottle from some marinade, which has a rubber o-ring type seal on the stopper. Do the Grolsch bottles also use rubber seals, and if so, has this caused any problems in methoxide mixing? Also, I am using the two step process, and for a 1 liter test batch will need to measure 1 ml of H2SO4, if I remember the process correctly. (Don't worry, I will be checking everything out on the JTF site before starting, to assure that I have everything right.) I have standard plastic syringes available, and wanted to assure that using these to measure the H2SO4 wouldn't cause a problem. Thanks to all for the help to this point. I'll keep you informed as I progress. Brian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [WoodGas] Re: -----hydrocarbon cracking
Keith, This thread is heading into an area of interest for me. In the production of biogas, I need to emulsify greases which have solidified in grease traps. This material makes wonderful volumes of biogas. I was hoping to use a soap prepared from biodiesel glycerine to do the emulsification. I checked on JOURNEY TO FOREVER.ORG and saw where there is a recipe for converting an aborted load of biodiesel into glycerine soap. I think this method really only converts the veg oil to soap and the glycerine merely is a soluble component. Is that not so? As I read your posting, it would appear to be possible due to a combination of FFA's and very low pH. Is that really so and where can I learn more about the use of predominantly glycerine as a feedstock for soap production rather than as an additive to soap? Thank you! Art Krenzel - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender To: Biofuel Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [WoodGas] Re: -hydrocarbon cracking Hallo All, I thought this may be of some interest to some on the list. I know it is something I have wondered about for a good while now. Happy Happy, Gustl This is a forwarded message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 27 May, 2004, 23:57:57 Subject: : Re: [WoodGas] Re: -hydrocarbon cracking ==Original message text=== [Gustl, if you'd like to forward this to the Biofuel list you'd be more than welcome. - K] Hello Gustl Keith, When I first joined the biodiesel lists I asked about deodorizing the glycerine but was told it couldn't be done. Now this fellow, Marc, is talking about the glycerine being used for all sorts of things including soaps which, in my view, wouldn't fly with the odor it has. Has anyone come up with something I have missed and has a method of deodorizing the glycerine? Marc's right, glycerine is a valuable product with many uses. To the extent that the commercial soapmakers remove it from the soap because they can get better prices for it elsewhere - for instance in the form of skin softeners and so on to counter the effects of all that harsh glycerine-free soap! Ain't capitalism wonderful! But how valuable and useful it might be to us is another matter. I've thought of deodorising the by-product by filtering it through charcoal, but I never tried it because I think it's the wrong problem. Note I said by-product, not glycerine: generally we talk of the by-product or the glycerine cocktail. What drops out of a biodiesel reaction is not only glycerine, or often not even mainly glycerine. This is from our website: What sinks to the bottom of the biodiesel processor during the settling stage is a mixture of glycerine, methanol, soaps and the lye catalyst. Most of the excess methanol and most of the catalyst remains in this layer. And: A commonly asked question: How much glycerine do you get? A better question would be: How much of the glycerine layer is actually glycerine? The rule of thumb is 79 milliliters of glycerine per liter of oil used -- 7.9%. In fact there's usually more soap -- the glycerine layer is more of a soap layer than anything else. Unless you use Aleks Kac's Foolproof acid-base two-stage process, that is... -- From: Separating glycerine http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#separate If you do just that, separate the by-product into it's different components as described there, you get three layers: on top, the soaps, converted back into Free Fatty Acids (in making biodiesel you remove the FFAs from the reaction by converting them to soaps, this converts them back again); below that, a layer of glycerine, maybe 85-95% pure (this layer contains the excess methanol, which can now be reclaimed for re-use); and on the bottom the catalyst, in the form of a layer of sodium or potassium phosphate salts. The important bit - once the methanol is removed, this separated glycerine doesn't smell much. The smell goes with the FFAs. It's the soaps in the by-product that smell, more than the glycerine. Problem solved. Or is it? Not really... You can't make soap out of glycerine. You can add it to soap, but if the soap already contains the glycerine content of the oil/fat it was produced from, it probably won't need any more. There's an upper limit to the glycerine content of soap and it's not very high - it's an alcohol after all. Can you sell it? Yes, in theory - but in the US anyway, only by the container-load, unless you find a special outlet. If it were really pure, 99%+, you might have more luck, but that means distilling it, and the boiling point is 290 deg C, 554 deg F, needs lots of energy. Purpose-built solvent purification
[biofuel] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [WoodGas] Re: -----hydrocarbon cracking
hi , Just to clarify. I mentioned glycerine and the resulting soaps as two seperatable components of biodiesel waste streams both requiring further processing. processed glycerine IS added into some soaps resulting in glycerine soap however but were talking food grade glycerines which are highly refined.although finding an outlet for these by products is not easy ,it is worth while if you can produce large quantities of biodiesel. in our case ,it is entirely feasable for us to produce up to 7000 gallons per week with our facility although at this time we only produce two hundred gallons at a time..as we have just gotten into production this month and the market in our area is not yet established enough to support full production capacity although it may take a quantum leap when school is back in session in august and all the Sevier county school busses go to biodiesel as planned. then the demand could reach 20 thousand gallons per month just from this county. Marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo All, I thought this may be of some interest to some on the list. I know it is something I have wondered about for a good while now. Happy Happy, Gustl This is a forwarded message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 27 May, 2004, 23:57:57 Subject: : Re: [WoodGas] Re: -hydrocarbon cracking ==Original message text=== [Gustl, if you'd like to forward this to the Biofuel list you'd be more than welcome. - K] Hello Gustl Keith, When I first joined the biodiesel lists I asked about deodorizing the glycerine but was told it couldn't be done. Now this fellow, Marc, is talking about the glycerine being used for all sorts of things including soaps which, in my view, wouldn't fly with the odor it has. Has anyone come up with something I have missed and has a method of deodorizing the glycerine? Marc's right, glycerine is a valuable product with many uses. To the extent that the commercial soapmakers remove it from the soap because they can get better prices for it elsewhere - for instance in the form of skin softeners and so on to counter the effects of all that harsh glycerine-free soap! Ain't capitalism wonderful! But how valuable and useful it might be to us is another matter. I've thought of deodorising the by-product by filtering it through charcoal, but I never tried it because I think it's the wrong problem. Note I said by-product, not glycerine: generally we talk of the by-product or the glycerine cocktail. What drops out of a biodiesel reaction is not only glycerine, or often not even mainly glycerine. This is from our website: What sinks to the bottom of the biodiesel processor during the settling stage is a mixture of glycerine, methanol, soaps and the lye catalyst. Most of the excess methanol and most of the catalyst remains in this layer. And: A commonly asked question: How much glycerine do you get? A better question would be: How much of the glycerine layer is actually glycerine? The rule of thumb is 79 milliliters of glycerine per liter of oil used -- 7.9%. In fact there's usually more soap -- the glycerine layer is more of a soap layer than anything else. Unless you use Aleks Kac's Foolproof acid-base two-stage process, that is... -- From: Separating glycerine http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#separate If you do just that, separate the by-product into it's different components as described there, you get three layers: on top, the soaps, converted back into Free Fatty Acids (in making biodiesel you remove the FFAs from the reaction by converting them to soaps, this converts them back again); below that, a layer of glycerine, maybe 85-95% pure (this layer contains the excess methanol, which can now be reclaimed for re-use); and on the bottom the catalyst, in the form of a layer of sodium or potassium phosphate salts. The important bit - once the methanol is removed, this separated glycerine doesn't smell much. The smell goes with the FFAs. It's the soaps in the by-product that smell, more than the glycerine. Problem solved. Or is it? Not really... You can't make soap out of glycerine. You can add it to soap, but if the soap already contains the glycerine content of the oil/fat it was produced from, it probably won't need any more. There's an upper limit to the glycerine content of soap and it's not very high - it's an alcohol after all. Can you sell it? Yes, in theory - but in the US anyway, only by the container-load, unless you find a special outlet. If it were really pure, 99%+, you might have more luck, but that means distilling it, and the boiling point is 290 deg C, 554 deg F, needs lots of energy. Purpose-built solvent purification
[biofuel] High Fuel Costs Put Focus on Renewable Energy
I knew there was a reason we kept Sen. Byrd around. I like the last paragraph: We have unnecessarily endeavored to treat the symptoms and not the core problem for far too long, said Senator Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.) in a speech to the Senate last week. A serious energy efficiency program, bolstered by the promotion of renewable energy and other clean home-grown energy sources, provides a compass point for a U.S. energy strategy. This story also includes Bill Ford going on about game-changing technologies, so you have to put up with that Political Buzzword crud from the company that sold Think and wanted to crush not only the cars but get rid of the factory. As other companies like GM and Toyota carry on with their alt-fuel-car-crushing, I think of this as destroying the evidence, particularly as it is not accompanied by by production of expensive replacement EVs for those who might have wanted to pay the price. No matter. Years ago, some voiced that Hybrids weren't important. Now we hear that hybrids have their increasingly strong place. I think years from now we'll start to see some plug-in propulsion on the road, even though in the past we heard there was allegedly insufficient demand. Then they'll say but the demand increased knowing *damn* well that to some extent it was always there, but they played a game of: Get-away-with-it-for-decades, then blather on about 'game-changing'. MM http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=585e=4u=/nm/20040527/sc_nm/energy_renewables_dc Thu May 27, 3:05 PM ET Add Science - Reuters to My Yahoo! By Gelu Sulugiuc NEW YORK (Reuters) - With fuel prices at record levels, U.S. consumers are once again turning their attention to more efficient cars, companies are investing in renewable energy and government programs are encouraging conservation. The trend mimics the 1970s, when record high oil prices led Americans to trade in their gas guzzlers for smaller foreign cars -- but this time the move is more high-tech. The biggest advances in the renewable fuels revolution are hybrid cars, hydrogen fuel and solar and wind power. With gasoline prices reaching beyond $2 per gallon... hybrid vehicles are catching more consumers' attention, Prudential analyst Michael Bruynesteyn said. Gas-electric hybrids accounted for only 0.26 percent of the 16.7 million cars and trucks sold last year in the United States. But sales have increased 36 percent so far this year, according to research firm RL Polk Co., and Japan's Toyota Motor Corp. (news - web sites) decided to ship 47,000 of its Prius hybrids to the United States, up from the 36,000 originally planned for 2004. [etc.] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Early 80's Mercedes-Benz turbo diesel fuel tank problem (Flaking and clogging)
Steven Pfaff wrote: I read a post a few days ago about a problem with the fuel tanks on the early 80's Benz diesels, and I have some questions regarding this issue. I am looking at buying two of four Mercedes-Benz 300D's years 1979-1983 (the '79 is a coupe and the others are sedans). I suspect three of the four have been sitting a year or more. I remember reading that something inside the fuel tank was flaking off and clogging the fuel system. Is this the actual inside of the tank or buildup of some sort? Is it uncertain what this material is? Is it absolutely necessary to replace the fuel tank in this instance? How long did your vehicle run before the problem arose? Was the clog (obstruction) in the fuel line/hose, or in the filter? I also remember reading that the fuel tanks were of some difficulty to obtain, but possibly only for certain models ie; wagons. How much did you pay for the tank? Where did you get it? Did you do the repairs yourself or did you go to a mechanic? If something was flaking off, it was either rust or a coating on the inside. In either case you should change the tank. A tank for an 80s Mercedes is [I'm guessing] in the hundreds-of-dollars range, unless you find a good source. Changing a fuel tank is a straight-forward operation, disconnect everything, undo straps, put in the new one. The sending unit may be rusting out if the tank is in bad shape. I'm not the person you were looking for, but I'm trying to give you some info. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
It still amazes me that people will try to pick out one little point out of numerous replies to their rants, go on another rant and ignore all of the other replies. I assume that the thought is that people will take this as proof that they are the only ones that know what they are talking about. I guess that since this tactic works for those who are so misinformed that they believe the Rush Limbaughs of the world, some people think that it will work with those who know a little about world affairs themselves. I've been reading Hakan's posts on this board for a little over a month now. I can assure you that he is far better informed about affairs in and out of this country than you will ever be. I am also reasonably certain that you don't want to know the truth, since it doesn't fit with your view. That truth includes the fact that the different cultures in this world are able to coexist, and it is just the kind of narrow mindedness you continue to exhibit that makes it difficult for that to happen. Face it, you are the problem, and until your attitude is eradicated your views will perpetuate the problems this world is facing. Stick around, take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth, and you are bound to learn something. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, the_maniacal_engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not most, some. And not me. This war is ugly and nasty and will be long and hard, but it is a civilizational struggle between god's alleged servants and the allegedly enlightened ones. You pick which is which. the only thing I know is that the two sides cannot coexist, and I want my side to win. Politically incorrect as it may be, I think that the ideals of western civilization (as opposed to its common practice) are superior to the ideals of fundamentalist radical islam (as they are now practiced in parts of the arab world). oh yeah, clinton was impeached (and lost his law license) for perjury and obstructing justice in a federal sexual harrassment case, not for getting serviced in the oval office. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, jtcava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hakan, Most of us in the USA hate what the current regime is doing and would like nothing better than to see them all hang for war crimes and treason. Regards, John Hakan Falk wrote: US is a funny nation, who seriously try to impeach a president for sexual reasons and admire a president who wage war and driving the US economy/debt to its worst levels since the depression. LOL Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: proper storage of used cooking oil to make it last longest possible
Maud wrote. Can anyone think of something that would float on the surface of the WVO without melting? InterestingI have heard of ping pong balls being used to conserve warmth in heated swimming pools. I would like to reduce oxidation and increase storage life by covering the surface area of WVO stored in a large tank with a lot of floating objects that won't melt in the WVO...maybe ping pong balls? Styrofoam peanuts? Scraps of bubble pack? Why would floaters melt? Are you thinking of temperature melting or dissolving type melting. If temperature - is your oil stored hot or does it get hot during storage? If dissolving - I know that bio diesel can be aggressive to rubber but not VO I can't think of anything that would be solvent in VO except perhaps salts, chemical thinners and emulsion agents. It will be interesting to see if you get some more qualified responses. How long are you planning to store your WVO and have you considered a couple of other factors such as that like all 'living matter' to prolong freshness (ant oxidisation) produce should always be stored dark and cool. Would home heating oil float on the WVO or mix with it? Is there some other oil that would float on WVO? I have scavenged three home heating oil tanks that I hope to use for my future WVO Collection Coop. These 265 gallon tanks are about 5 feet long x 30 inches high x 18 inches wide. The ends are ovoid. So what this means is that a partial tank of WVO exposes a surface area of somewhat less than 5 feet by 18 inches to the air within the tank. Thoughts or ideas? But I am having difficulty visualising your tanks, if the ends are ovoid are the actual tanks cylindrical, that is to say of circular cross section or are they ovoid (egg shaped as I understand the word)? Or do you mean you have round tanks with convex ends which is the most usual liquid tank storage shape. Sorry to nit pick on terms but we all have different local ways of describing weights, forms and measures Anyway, congratulations on your scavenge. If your tanks are round, cylindrical or ovoid cylindrical and they are laying down then the area to be covered would decrease as the tanks filled and at some stage your tanks would be full of WVO and insulation whereas without insulation there would be remaining space for even more WVO. With pp balls of other granular type floating media I think oxygen would still reach the wvo surface and serve no purpose, a floating liquid sounds good - like mum used to use melted wax to float on top of her home made preserves to prevent oxidisation, but I am sorry I don't have a suggestion for WVO, ( I am sure someone here will have though :-) And having introduced an isolator the problem of how to separate it from the WVO surface when required remains. I think that if they were my tanks and I wanted to exclude oxygen I would stand the tanks on end to reduce the surface area of exposure and do some plumbing with a 1 drain at the lowest point and a filler cap at the highest. Water goes to the bottom and forms a barrier which will collect lots of gunk as your WVO settles making your pre-filter process simpler. You will still have exposure but only until your tank is full. When the time comes to empty the tank the water and gunk will drain off first and gravity will do the rest, so no pumps will be needed at that stage. The tanks should of course be elevated somewhat to facilitate draining. I would have thought that oxidisation of WVO would greatly depend upon the quality of the product, or put another way, its degree of contamination. It seems logical that adjacent to its collection it would benefit greatly by pre filtering prior to storage. On this subject though I have read a recommendation that SVO canola/rape for use as fuel should be stored from press date for at least six months and that it benefits by freezing at least once - anyone know what that's all about? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
the_maniacal_engineer wrote: Not most, some. And not me. This war is ugly and nasty and will be long and hard, but it is a civilizational struggle between god's alleged servants and the allegedly enlightened ones. You pick which is which. the only thing I know is that the two sides cannot coexist, and I want my side to win. Politically incorrect as it may be, I think Kerry Has a 'Whopping' 337-201 Lead in Election Projection -- Bushevik Scott Elliott writes, Is this the end? Has the hole grown too deep? Is our beloved President really going down in November? [YOU BET!]... I'm convinced next Tuesday, were it election day, would be a very sad one for Bushies like me. It's obvious that Bush is currently losing the race for White House version 2005. This week's Election Projection certainly attests to that. Senator Kerry, the off-again, on-again Democratic nominee, has acquired a good bit of breathing room in his quest to unseat President Bush. He leads by 7.57% (52.87% - 45.30%) in the popular vote projection which translates to a whopping 337-201 advantage in the all-important electoral vote count. Looking deeper into the data, we see that the President's increasingly negative job approval numbers are beginning to be reflected in the latest round of presidential preference polls. For the first time this year, the projection shows Kerry beating Bush head-to-head. Nader's presence makes little difference. http://www.electionprojection.com/archives053104.html#update052604 Bush explained his strategy for transfer of power. It's a two part plan. Part one: clean out his desk. Part two: rent a U-Haul. ÷David Letterman that the ideals of western civilization (as opposed to its common practice) are superior to the ideals of fundamentalist radical islam (as they are now practiced in parts of the arab world). Ashcroft went on to say that our way of life is being threatened by a group of radical religious fanatics who are armed and dangerous. And then he called for prayers in the schools and an end to gun control. ÷Jay Leno On '60 Minutes' on last Sunday Bob Woodward suggested that the main reason President Bush took the country to war is that he thinks he's on a mission from God. Of course the problem with that is, it's also Osama bin Laden's reason. ÷Jay Leno oh yeah, clinton was impeached (and lost his law license) for perjury and obstructing justice in a federal sexual harrassment case, not for getting serviced in the oval office. June 30th is the day we're handing sovereignty back to the Iraqis. Hey, forget sovereignty ÷ I think they'll be happy just to get their clothes back. ÷Jay Leno It's a good thing there are no gay people in the military because otherwise weird sex stuff might happen. ÷Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, jtcava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hakan, Most of us in the USA hate what the current regime is doing and would like nothing better than to see them all hang for war crimes and treason. Regards, John Hakan Falk wrote: US is a funny nation, who seriously try to impeach a president for sexual reasons and admire a president who wage war and driving the US economy/debt to its worst levels since the depression. LOL Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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For quite sometime I have been reading/monitoring the postings in this daily chat. I'm very intrigued by the idea of using biofuel to power a vehicle. I'm also aware of the obvious conspiracy to suck dry the pockets of the American consumer, so I'm with all of you when it comes to an alternative [cleaner burning] fuel. The idea is wonderful! However I think that it is necessary for each and every one of you to read ALL of this article. It is quite lengthy, but it is worth reading. It puts in perspective what is really going on over in the Middle East. Some of these facts were gleaned from these radically religious communities in that 'hot zone'. Some of these people actually believe that they are fighting a Holy War! They are happy just to kill an American, or anyone else that THEY think is against their religion. That is so archaic. You hear of this throughout the past few years since 9-11. And Senator Kerry, well I work with a Vietnam veteran, and he told me all kinds of things about Kerry. He's not being truthful about his Vietnam duties and experiences. And why was he seen with Jane Fonda? Ask a veteran about her and how two faced she was, and how our soldiers were treated when her cameras were turned off. Anyone who hung around her [Kerry] won't have my vote because they can't be trusted, and are against the safety of those captured behind enemy lines. Read onIt may change the way that you consume petroleum and justify what we all are trying to accomplish. [Note---This is an extremely well written article explaining what we are facing today in the War on Terrorism. The article was written back in January of this year but is still appropriate to the situation we find ourselves in today. In essence, not all has been laid on the table relative to why we invaded Iraq. While the article is rather lengthy it is worth your time to read what is being said by Larry Abraham pertaining to the Third Jihad. It provides you an entirely new perspective over and above what you see on TV and read in the papers or in Bob Woodward's new book. We are in very serious times and need to understand what befalls us if we back out of Iraq now for whatever reason. The issue is much bigger than just Iraq. As Larry Abraham says in his last paragraph, We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on for many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are facing or falter in the challenge of knowing our enemy the results will be catastrophic. The upcoming November election is an extremely important decision making time for all Americans and the rest of the free world. ** THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE by Larry Abraham, January 29, 2004 I urge all of my readers to make copies of this report and send them to your friends and relatives. The information is too critical to be over looked in the madness of this election year. Watching and listening to the Democrat Party candidates is tantamount to enduring the Chinese water torture. The blah, blah, blah goes on and on and nothing of value comes out except the pain of listening to the same nothingness over and over again. I won't take the time or space to repeat what you have heard so many mind numbing times but what you have not heard is crucial. President Bush and his administration spokesmen are not telling the American people what they really need to know about this war. If they don't do that between now and November it may cost them the election. The war against terror did not begin on September 11, 2001, nor will it end with the peaceful transition to civilian authority in Iraq, whenever that may be. In fact, Iraq is but a footnote in the bigger context of this encounter, but an important one none the less. This war is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the Third Great Jihad. They are operating within the framework of a time line which reaches back to the very creation of Islam in the seventh century and are presently attempting to recreate the dynamics which gave rise to the religion in the first two hundred years of its existence. No religion in history grew as fast, in its infancy, and the reasons for the initial growth of Islam are not hard to explain when you understand what the world was like at the time of Muhammad's death in 632 AD. Remember that the Western Roman Empire was in ruins and the Eastern Empire, based in Constantinople, was trying desperately to keep the power of its early grandeur while transitioning to Christianity as a de facto state religion. The costs to the average person were large as he was being required to meet the constantly rising taxes levied by the state along with the tithes coerced by the Church. What Islam offered was the carrot or the sword. If you became a convert, your taxes were immediately eliminated, as was
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
Hi Chris, Have you ever contemplated that this kind of thought are only supported by a maximum of 2% of the world population, if US are split in the middle on this issue. I and a majority of the people outside US, recent the US as a spokesman for the western civilization. Who are you, to do this kind of evaluation. It might be your personal thoughts, but you are quite alone. The ideals of all civilizations, not the practices, are equally noble. This if you look at what they say and not on what they do. The western civilization or indeed US, are in no way unique or better on this. Bush can be happy that he have no law license to loose for lying and obstructing. As I understand it, Clinton was never impeached, but it was close. -:) I do think that breaking International laws, with aggression etc. are somewhat serious things. Good intentions are not an excuse for breaking laws, if it would, the whole world fall in anarchy and violence and it would be able to defend. It will take a long time for US to recover its standing. Hakan At 14:47 28/05/2004, you wrote: Not most, some. And not me. This war is ugly and nasty and will be long and hard, but it is a civilizational struggle between god's alleged servants and the allegedly enlightened ones. You pick which is which. the only thing I know is that the two sides cannot coexist, and I want my side to win. Politically incorrect as it may be, I think that the ideals of western civilization (as opposed to its common practice) are superior to the ideals of fundamentalist radical islam (as they are now practiced in parts of the arab world). oh yeah, clinton was impeached (and lost his law license) for perjury and obstructing justice in a federal sexual harrassment case, not for getting serviced in the oval office. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, jtcava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hakan, Most of us in the USA hate what the current regime is doing and would like nothing better than to see them all hang for war crimes and treason. Regards, John Hakan Falk wrote: US is a funny nation, who seriously try to impeach a president for sexual reasons and admire a president who wage war and driving the US economy/debt to its worst levels since the depression. LOL Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Finally, biodiesel questions
Brian, You really ought to heed the advice of others and practice considerably with the straight base process before moving to acid/base. Doing so will familiarize you with what to expect and what transpires when basic principles aren't adhered to. Those mistakes also give better understanding of how and where adjustments can be made and for what reasons. People who put the cart before the horse ... Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: [biofuel] Finally, biodiesel questions Hello all. After a month or two hanging out on the list, I have finally overcome supplier hassles, financial constraints, being out of town unexpectedly for my mother's funeral, etc., and am now ready to start making some biodiesel. I am planning some test batches for this weekend using Canola oil that I have been hoarding for a couple of months. My initial questions relate to using what I have on hand to run the test batches. A while back, a person mentioned using Grolsch bottles to mix methoxide for test batches. I have a similar bottle from some marinade, which has a rubber o-ring type seal on the stopper. Do the Grolsch bottles also use rubber seals, and if so, has this caused any problems in methoxide mixing? Also, I am using the two step process, and for a 1 liter test batch will need to measure 1 ml of H2SO4, if I remember the process correctly. (Don't worry, I will be checking everything out on the JTF site before starting, to assure that I have everything right.) I have standard plastic syringes available, and wanted to assure that using these to measure the H2SO4 wouldn't cause a problem. Thanks to all for the help to this point. I'll keep you informed as I progress. Brian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Early 80's Mercedes-Benz turbo diesel fuel tank problem (Flaking and clogging)
Stephen, I think I have some ownership to this issue. I have an '82 300TD that was listed on Ebay for sale here in Savannah, Ga. I ended up buying it directly from the seller. Thefirst time I looked at the vehicle, it had a stalling problem. I asked the seller to fix it and he agreed to drop the tank, clean it out, remount it an and flush the fuel lines and replace the fuel filters. All the crook ended up doing for me was topping off the fuel tank and replacing two fuel filters. Certainly not what he promissed me. Avoid doing business in Savannah Ga with Road Savannah rather if your in town see Dietmar or Scott at Autobahn Service Center. 912.352.0719 I bought the car on good faith that the stalling problem had been dealt with. It left me by the side of the road three times. Each time I had just replaced the two fuel filters and primed the fuel system. I examined the fuel coming from inside the fuel filter and it actualy contained green slime and rusty and even some shiny metal fragments. The Prefilter was stuck full of rust/slime/steel fragments each time. If you like I still have one and I can easily mail you out one for you benefit. I drained the tank entirely. There was 15 gallons in side it with a couple of gallons of green slime and 10-12 gallons of diesel fuel. I took a clear veggie oil bottle containing slime/diesel/metal fragments down to the Autobahn service center and I talked to Dietmar about some problems I was having with the 300TD. Dietmar told me that fuel tanks for cars put up for storage should be kept full and that it's a common problem for Mercedes fuel tanks to flake after the have set up for a year plus. I asked the Autobahn center to quote me the new requisite parts, fuel tank, etc. Work and everything would have come out to $900US. Dietmar said I should try a used tank however and told me of his mechanic friend in another city with a similar car that was being parted out. Dietmar contacted his buddy and brokered a sale of the remains for $200. I had to pay a towtruck $185 to go and get the car for me as the damn UHAUL people would not rent me a tow dolly to tow a salvage mercedes with my F250 which has a diesel engine in it I cut/ bodged out the used fuel tank off the car in my back yard and it had some rust on it so I took a grinder to it, then some spray paint. The used tank installed like a bug snug in a rug. I have clean fuel and a 300TD that won't stall out on me now. Plus a scrap car with a buch of other parts I'll need soon like decent rims, rear shocks, etc. I did all the labor myself. The wagons have a self-leveling system and getting the forth bolt unscrewed was a big pain. So gues what nut didn't go back on! I hope I've answered your questions. Cheers! Michael Michael Patrick Lendzian Information Technology Manager Skidaway Institute of Oceanography Savannah, GA 31411 912.598.2330 On Fri, 28 May 2004, Steven Pfaff wrote: I read a post a few days ago about a problem with the fuel tanks on the early 80's Benz diesels, and I have some questions regarding this issue. I am looking at buying two of four Mercedes-Benz 300D's years 1979-1983 (the '79 is a coupe and the others are sedans). I suspect three of the four have been sitting a year or more. I remember reading that something inside the fuel tank was flaking off and clogging the fuel system. Is this the actual inside of the tank or buildup of some sort? Is it uncertain what this material is? Is it absolutely necessary to replace the fuel tank in this instance? How long did your vehicle run before the problem arose? Was the clog (obstruction) in the fuel line/hose, or in the filter? I also remember reading that the fuel tanks were of some difficulty to obtain, but possibly only for certain models ie; wagons. How much did you pay for the tank? Where did you get it? Did you do the repairs yourself or did you go to a mechanic? - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit
[biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
Hello Brian Hmmm.. One poorly substantiated Sarin shell is proof of a major WMD program in Iraq? That's what I hear you saying. Please understand that I in no way have any intention to do so, but I am sure that I could produce and detonate a single Sarin shell here in Indiana. Would that be proof to you that Saddam had gotten his WMDs into the US and was planning a major assault in the Midwest? That seems to be where your logic leads. And, if the US was in the business of deposing all sociopaths in power, we would be awfully busy. Why specifically pick on Saddam. If we thought he was that bad, why did we support him on his way up? I don't know who Christopher Hutchins is, but I am thinking that he would be close a frontrunner for the post of complete idiot in my book. That's Hitchens (not Hitchins). He's not a complete idiot, he goes about it quite intelligently. He likes espousing maverick views, which is okay in itself, but his views have become more and more warped. He has a long history of saying and writing very strange things about Native Americans, for instance. In the 90s the Lewinsky affair seems to have finally tipped him over to the far-right, and these days he's widely known as a charlatan and a sycophant. Just a mouthpiece, too often, very much a pro-war mouthpiece and apologist. For instance, his latest piece is about his pal Ahmad. http://slate.msn.com/id/2101345/ Ahmad and Me - Defending Chalabi. By Christopher Hitchens May 27, 2004 He does rather like defending the indefensible, but in the end it's Hitchens himself who's indefensible. He's painted himself into too many corners. His credibility has dwindled to a partisan few. Chris's quote is fairly typical. No need to take any notice of Hitchens. MM said: Actually, around the time of the start of the invasion of Iraq, Israeli Intelligence, I saw in one news report, stated that WMD or other weapons (I don't recall how it was put) were being moved to Syria. I've never seen this mentioned before or since. Syria and/or Iran. All jolly good pals of course, Saddam and Syria and Iran. This gets trotted out quite often, even at quite a high level, but nobody's ever offered any substantiation for it. It's as insubstantial as the other, opposite, story, published twice now by the Iran news agency, that the US has been secretly moving WMD of the right vintage (they supplied them in the first place after all) into hiding places inside Iraq, no doubt to be unearthed just in time for the election. Who knows? There's no way of telling - as Gustl says, sorting the wheat from the chaff is a very tough job, and you don't get a lot of help, quite the opposite. The people whose job it is also don't get a lot of help, quite the opposite - investigative journalism takes time and money, which is not forthcoming, and it's actively discouraged by the half-dozen-odd mega-corps which now own the US media. Not exactly a surprise, considering at whose door more than a few such investigations would likely end up. Anyway, the administration itself no longer claims that WMDs real or mythical had much to do with anything. Wolfowitz actually denied it. No accountability of course - that only applies to those who fail to toe the line, and then it's not so much accountability as sheer vindictiveness. So all the liars are still in their jobs, wrists unslapped - yesterday's news, not the current movie anymore, duly erased from the hard-disks of all true-believers. You want WMDs? Plenty of WMDs, bombs, deadly chemical weapons, everything a terrorist fanatic could want. Trouble is they were in Texas. Since his appointment as attorney general, John Ashcroft's Washington office has issued 2,295 news releases. Not one of them has mentioned the name William Joseph Krar. Krar's ... arrest by federal law enforcement in the small town of Noonday, Texas, last April may have stopped the most devastating terror attack on U.S. soil since Sept. 11... Is there a double standard at Justice between the public pronouncements over arrests that fit our current stereotype of terrorists and those that don't? http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040311-030156-8181r United Press International: Outside View: Who is William Krar? Americans have been trained to disassociate such attacks from the war on terrorism... And because our domestic haters tend to be Christian rather than Muslim, they don't fit the terrorist mold... in the wake of 9/11, we have tended to discount the danger of domestic terror. That may be a deadly mistake. http://www.inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=617_0_3_0_C Homegrown Terrorists 2.17.04 As for the so-called war on terrorism... As a French diplomat observed, Monsieur bin Laden must be tres content. I'll bet - tres relaxed too I should think, not much call on him to do much these days, Washington does it all for him. Best Keith Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, the_maniacal_engineer
Re: [biofuel] cocodiesel,cocodiesoline,and biofuel
Hello Gerard hello to everybody at biofuel...i would just like to ask if anybody has any idea on how to make diesel from coconuts or petroleum in general from any plant material (like sunflower or palm oil) using a laboratory scale method? I would be interested to make some at home...any ideas will be welcome to email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks so much. Please don't take such discussions off-list. The list is for sharing information, if it's kept on-list others can contribute and benefit and it'll be in the archives for future seekers to find there. Otherwise it'll just sit on your hard-disk and theirs doing not much. The best place to learn how to make biodiesel is right here. See the links at the end of each message you receive: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ The first is acknowledged as the premier source of small-scale biofuels information on the Web. The second is a treasure house of information on all aspects of biofuels, especially biodiesel - it contains 35,000 messages over the last four years, many of them from leaders in the field worldwide. For biodiesel, see: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html Biodiesel: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Make your own biodiesel The list archives has 286 previous messages on coconuts: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=coconuttime=allusert ime=2002-12-31 ... with another 102 at the sister-list's archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/?keywords=coconuttime=all; usertime=2002-12-31 Best wishes Keith cheers! gerard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
Chris Stratford wrote: Not most, some. It probably doesn't matter, come November - it doesn't require a majority to hijack a democracy. After all, it didn't last time. If their charges are true, and there is little evidence to contradict their claims, George W. Bush has already won the 2004 election. http://americanassembler.com/issues/democracy/docs/how_gw_won_2004.html How George W. Bush Won the 2004 Presidential Election Purging voter lists is just the beginning: the U.S. has embraced a form of electronic voting that is unreliable, unverifiable and funded by the radical Christian right. [of which more below] http://www.blackboxvoting.com/scoop/S00065.htm Inside A U.S. Election Vote Counting Program Let alone all the spin, massaging and machinations, duly me-too'ed by a kept and supine media, that even the guy's fans are expecting. And not me. This war is ugly and nasty and will be long and hard, but it is a civilizational struggle between god's alleged servants and the allegedly enlightened ones. You pick which is which. the only thing I know is that the two sides cannot coexist, and I want my side to win. So that's a clear statement from you on which side you're on? You think that's America's side? Politically incorrect as it may be, I think that the ideals of western civilization (as opposed to its common practice) are superior to the ideals of fundamentalist radical islam (as they are now practiced in parts of the arab world). What kind of twisted comparison is this Chris? The unpractised ideals of a whole civilisation on the one hand vs the alleged practices of a splinter group on the other? Let's make it just a little more true-to-life, shall we? We can ignore your splinter group, they're just a symptom, not a cause, and they and there practices are rejected by their civilisation (whose ideals and history are the equal of anyone's). They are indeed gathering strength but that's as a direct result of increasing cause. This cause is to be found increasingly in the practices and intentions of a fundamentalist radical splinter group that has managed to get its evil hands on the controls of what you call Western civilisation, or at least those of its leading power. That power is the US, and it's the leading power because it's the biggest and most powerful. So much for high ideals: those are the ethics of the caveman. There are rules in Netiquette about criticising religions, especially on a multi-cultural list like this, and I hope you're aware of that, but I have no compunctions about it in this case because this is not a religion, it's an evil cult that's hell-bent on sowing war and destruction at any cost. I'm glad George Monbiot has penned this piece for the Guardian in the UK, because it's so bizarre that non-Americans have a really hard time believing it, and fail to realise its importance. http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html Comment US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power George Monbiot Tuesday April 20, 2004 The Guardian -- To understand what is happening in the Middle East, you must first understand what is happening in Texas. To understand what is happening there, you should read the resolutions passed at the state's Republican party conventions last month. Take a look, for example, at the decisions made in Harris County, which covers much of Houston. The delegates began by nodding through a few uncontroversial matters: homosexuality is contrary to the truths ordained by God; any mechanism to process, license, record, register or monitor the ownership of guns should be repealed; income tax, inheritance tax, capital gains tax and corporation tax should be abolished; and immigrants should be deterred by electric fences. Thus fortified, they turned to the real issue: the affairs of a small state 7,000 miles away. It was then, according to a participant, that the screaming and near fist fights began. I don't know what the original motion said, but apparently it was watered down significantly as a result of the shouting match. The motion they adopted stated that Israel has an undivided claim to Jerusalem and the West Bank, that Arab states should be pressured to absorb refugees from Palestine, and that Israel should do whatever it wishes in seeking to eliminate terrorism. Good to see that the extremists didn't prevail then. But why should all this be of such pressing interest to the people of a state which is seldom celebrated for its fascination with foreign affairs? The explanation is slowly becoming familiar to us, but we still have some difficulty in taking it seriously. In the United States, several million people have succumbed to an extraordinary delusion. In the 19th century, two immigrant preachers cobbled together a series of unrelated passages from the Bible to create what appears to be a
Re: [biofuel] Oil and Israel -- Don't forget the Neo-Cons and the Evangelical Right
fox mulder wrote: I am sorry you are wrong in your perception of Bush's motivation. It seems you have a pro-isreal stance.Isreal has stolen Arab land in breech of th united nation resolution. Whenever, this question arises in the UN, Bush will veto any motion put forward by the UN. Futhermore, Bush has backed the Shoron's plan to keep the west bank land he stole from the Arabs. Is this just? How please explain. Huh? When you say you it could mean me, the most likely choice as it's my message you're replying to, or Matt, or reporter Bob Dreyfuss or any of the people he mentions. So which exactly do you mean? I don't see a pro-Israel stance in any of them. Please explain. Keith Addison --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - See: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/23824/ Best Keith I think the real reason for this war can be traced back to Mr. Bush's Evangelical roots... and his faith based approach to foreign policy. Radical Neo-Conservatives are running this country and doing exactly what they have proposed for years... They believe without failing that by installing a democratic regime in the Middle East, they can convert the Islamic world to be more like the West. This irrational policy totally ignores facts, and cannot hear any dissent (or logic). They Bush Administration is simply doing exactly what the Evangelical and Neo-Con movements have been talking about for years! None of this should be a surprise to anyone. The largest political block in this country supporting the war has been, and continues to be, evangelical Christians (polling at 80% in support of the war). To pass the blame onto Israel is really a copout Sure the current Likud government is in support of the war, but Bush would sell Israel down the river in a second if he thought it would help his political position. I advise everyone to go to PBS and watch a Frontline piece on Bushes ties to the Evangelical Christian right. In his mind we are fighting the Armageddon... clash of civilizations. Israel and the Jews are not running this show... I really believe that Israel is only important to this administration as a pawn in the biblical prophecy they truly believe they are fulfilling. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/ We are truly in scary times We need to all work for change and bring this country and the world back from the brink. Matt Golden - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Oil and Israel http://www.tompaine.com/articles/oil_and_israel.php Oil and Israel Bob Dreyfuss , The Dreyfuss Report May 25, 2004 The two unmentionables about Iraq are suddenly getting mentioned. The real reasons for the attack on Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs, that ultimate red herring. The real reasons: oil and Israel. Let's take oil first. Prince Turki al -Faisal , the Saudi ambassador to the UK and no radical he, charges that the invasion of Iraq might have had something to do with what's under Iraq's sand: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/forms/printstory.asp?section=Breaki ngstoryId=868913tw=wn_wire_story The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a colonial war and there were some in the United States who saw it as a means of getting their hands on Iraqi oil, a senior Saudi ambassador was quoted as saying Monday. Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. Okay, not exactly courageous, but it's a start. Speaking of
[biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
Hello Chris This is the big lie, Uh, which one? There are so many! The Top Five or the Top Ten or the Top Twenty or the Top Forty (this week)? told over and over untuil it is held as truth. Yes, that seems to be the credo of these guys, tell a lie five times and it's a fact. Oh... wait a moment, it's not these guys you're talking about... Uh, you *believe* them? Hm. That takes an extremely short memory span. What do you do for continuity? Poke your other eye out? What GWB IN FACT LOL! said in his state of the union speech that is so often misquioted, Ah, the infamous liberal bias of the lamestream press! Wherever would we be but for the courageous stance for truth and honesty mounted on a daily basis against all odds by Fox TV under the guidance of that untiring champion of fairness and democracy Rupert Murdoch? is that in light of 9/11 we could NO LONGER WAIT for the threat to BECOME IMMINENT before we responded. Obviously that means that he knew that the threat wasn't yet imminent, and by the way he phrased this was telling us that it was not yet imminent. you are either a liar or you have bought the media line that GWB knowingly claimed Iraq was an imminent threat - which is it - dishonest or ignorant? How about when he said he'd found them? You are either very selective with your facts or you've bought the media line that GWB would know a fact if it bit him in the butt. Which is it? Wow, what an embarrassment of riches... Let's try the Top 40: http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/sperry/stories/storyReader$526 All the President's Lies, part 2 Bring 'Em On! The Bush Administration's Top 40 Lies About War and Terrorism (links-annotated version) Or the Top 16: http://www.clw.org/iraqintelligence/ Where Are the WMD? Or - hell, close your eyes and chuck a dart! (Oh, sorry, they're wide shut already.) Anyway, in citing only this State of the Union address quote (which I really can't be bothered to check - No one can now doubt the word of America, LOL!) are you saying that this illegal pre-emptive war was/is justified on the basis of a not-yet-imminent threat? Which turns out to be not missile-mounted nukes but (today's version) a sarin gas shell of dubious provenance? Or on any other conceivable basis? Whatever, see below. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Matt Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If claims that Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda were true, we would be hearing it from the administration, however even they are not making these assertions. The fact that Saddam had WMD is not in dispute, however we went to war because we were told by our president that we had evidence that Saddam currently has WMD and a Nuclear program, and there for presented an eminent threat to America -- a LIE. http://prorev.com/revision.htm THE REVISION THING A history of the Iraq war, told entirely in lies By Sam Smith Originally published in Harper's Magazine All text is verbatim from senior Bush Administration officials and advisers. In places, tenses have been changed for clarity. Originally from Harper's Magazine, September 2003. Once again, we were defending both ourselves and the safety and survival of civilization itself. September 11 signaled the arrival of an entirely different era. We faced perils we had never thought about, perils we had never seen before. For decades, terrorists had waged war against this country. Now, under the leadership of President Bush, America would wage war against them. It was a struggle between good and it was a struggle between evil. It was absolutely clear that the number-one threat facing America was from Saddam Hussein. We know that Iraq and Al Qaeda had high-level contacts that went back a decade. We learned that Iraq had trained Al Qaeda members in bomb making and deadly gases. The regime had long-standing and continuing ties to terrorist organizations. Iraq and Al Qaeda had discussed safe-haven opportunities in Iraq. Iraqi officials denied accusations of ties with Al Qaeda. These denials simply were not credible. You couldn't distinguish between Al Qaeda and Saddam when you talked about the war on terror. The fundamental question was, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer was, absolutely. His regime had large, unaccounted-for stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons--including VX, sarin, cyclosarin, and mustard gas, anthrax, botulism, and possibly smallpox. Our conservative estimate was that Iraq then had a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical-weapons agent. That was enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets. We had sources that told us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons--the very weapons the dictator told the world he did not have. And according to the British government, the Iraqi regime could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as forty-five minutes after the orders were given. There could be no
Re: [biofuel] storing and dewatering used veg. oil
Hi Ardis Hi , Was wondering if anybody out there knows how to seperate water from used veg. oil ?? Is there a way to filter it at time of pickup,since I will be using a gear pump and electric motor for collecting the oil and also to pump it from my collection tank to my storage tank.All of my tanks have conicle bottoms and are stainless steel construction.I am building a fairly large processor so I was wondering if there is a fast way to do this,or if just letting the oil sit in the storage tank would allow the water to seperate out and drain it off the bottom of the tank?? Any advice would be great!! I don't know if you can do this effectively with a filter, nor how it could be done at time of pickup. Water content might settle out eventually, or it might not. Once you've got it back home, try raising the temp to 130-140 deg F (55-60 deg C). keep it there for 15 minutes or so, then let it settle overnight. This will settle out the water, so don't use the bit at the bottom. Some people say this method doesn't work well, but it always works well with me, and others. Give it a try, if you're not satisfied then go to higher temps and try boiling the water off. Boiling takes more energy, but without the need for overnight settling you could use the heat for processing, catching the oil on way down at 130-135 deg F, the usual processing temp. Check first whether the oil needs dewatering or not. Heat some up in a small pot on the stove; if it starts crackling at about 130 deg F, or maybe less, there's water in it, remove it. If no crackling by 160 deg F or so, no need to dewater it. regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
Young Master Joseph, Do you make it a practice to believe everything everyone tells you? Perhaps before you make categorical generalizations based upon heresay you would serve yourself and others well to review the other two sides to the coin. Failing to do so only increases the narrow mindedness that you're evidencing. While that is certainly your choice, don't expect everyone else to jump on any given bandwagon simply because you hauled yourself up on it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Eric M. Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [biofuel] For quite sometime I have been reading/monitoring the postings in this daily chat. I'm very intrigued by the idea of using biofuel to power a vehicle. I'm also aware of the obvious conspiracy to suck dry the pockets of the American consumer, so I'm with all of you when it comes to an alternative [cleaner burning] fuel. The idea is wonderful! However I think that it is necessary for each and every one of you to read ALL of this article. It is quite lengthy, but it is worth reading. It puts in perspective what is really going on over in the Middle East. Some of these facts were gleaned from these radically religious communities in that 'hot zone'. Some of these people actually believe that they are fighting a Holy War! They are happy just to kill an American, or anyone else that THEY think is against their religion. That is so archaic. You hear of this throughout the past few years since 9-11. And Senator Kerry, well I work with a Vietnam veteran, and he told me all kinds of things about Kerry. He's not being truthful about his Vietnam duties and experiences. And why was he seen with Jane Fonda? Ask a veteran about her and how two faced she was, and how our soldiers were treated when her cameras were turned off. Anyone who hung around her [Kerry] won't have my vote because they can't be trusted, and are against the safety of those captured behind enemy lines. Read onIt may change the way that you consume petroleum and justify what we all are trying to accomplish. [Note---This is an extremely well written article explaining what we are facing today in the War on Terrorism. The article was written back in January of this year but is still appropriate to the situation we find ourselves in today. In essence, not all has been laid on the table relative to why we invaded Iraq. While the article is rather lengthy it is worth your time to read what is being said by Larry Abraham pertaining to the Third Jihad. It provides you an entirely new perspective over and above what you see on TV and read in the papers or in Bob Woodward's new book. We are in very serious times and need to understand what befalls us if we back out of Iraq now for whatever reason. The issue is much bigger than just Iraq. As Larry Abraham says in his last paragraph, We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on for many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are facing or falter in the challenge of knowing our enemy the results will be catastrophic. The upcoming November election is an extremely important decision making time for all Americans and the rest of the free world. ** THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE by Larry Abraham, January 29, 2004 I urge all of my readers to make copies of this report and send them to your friends and relatives. The information is too critical to be over looked in the madness of this election year. Watching and listening to the Democrat Party candidates is tantamount to enduring the Chinese water torture. The blah, blah, blah goes on and on and nothing of value comes out except the pain of listening to the same nothingness over and over again. I won't take the time or space to repeat what you have heard so many mind numbing times but what you have not heard is crucial. President Bush and his administration spokesmen are not telling the American people what they really need to know about this war. If they don't do that between now and November it may cost them the election. The war against terror did not begin on September 11, 2001, nor will it end with the peaceful transition to civilian authority in Iraq, whenever that may be. In fact, Iraq is but a footnote in the bigger context of this encounter, but an important one none the less. This war is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the Third Great Jihad. They are operating within the framework of a time line which reaches back to the very creation of Islam in the seventh century and are presently attempting to recreate the dynamics which gave rise to the religion in the first two hundred years of its existence. No religion in history grew as fast, in its infancy, and the reasons for the initial growth
