Re: [Biofuel] Sermon on the mount from the UB
It's one thing to look at or analyze the calling of environmental/social/spiritual stewardship from any religion's written dogma, using one's own brain and conviction of heart/spirit. It's all together another to cut and paste lengthy pages from an Understanding the Bible (UB) course syllabus or Abingdon Strong's Exaustive Concordance or some other such interpretations. While you and many may agree with these texts, why not "Dare to think for yourself!" "Thinkers Wanted. Sheeple need not apply." Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Sermon on the mount from the UB P.1572 - ¤1 The so-called "Sermon on the Mount" is not the gospel of Jesus. It does contain much helpful instruction, but it was Jesus' ordination charge to the twelve apostles. It was the Master's personal commission to those who were to go on preaching the gospel and aspiring to represent him in the world of men even as he was so eloquently and perfectly representative of his Father. P.1572 - ¤2 "You are the salt of the earth, salt with a saving savor. But if this salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is henceforth good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men." P.1572 - ¤3 In Jesus' time salt was precious. It was even used for money. The modern word "salary" is derived from salt. Salt not only flavors food, but it is also a preservative. It makes other things more tasty, and thus it serves by being spent. P.1572 - ¤4 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and be led to glorify your Father who is in heaven." P.1572 - ¤5 While light dispels darkness, it can also be so "blinding" as to confuse and frustrate. We are admonished to let our light so shine that our fellows will be guided into new and godly paths of enhanced living. Our light should so shine as not to attract attention to self. Even one's vocation can be utilized as an effective "reflector" for the dissemination of this light of life. P.1572 - ¤6 Strong characters are not derived from not doing wrong but rather from actually doing right. Unselfishness is the badge of human greatness. The highest levels of self-realization are attained by worship and service. The happy and effective person is motivated, not by fear of wrongdoing, but by love of right doing. P.1572 - ¤7 "By their fruits you shall know them." Personality is basically changeless; that which changes--grows--is the moral character. The major error of modern religions is negativism. The tree which bears no fruit is "hewn down and cast into the fire." Moral worth cannot be derived from mere repression--obeying the injunction "Thou shalt not." Fear and shame are unworthy motivations for religious living. Religion is valid only when it reveals the fatherhood of God and enhances the brotherhood of men. P.1572 - ¤8 An effective philosophy of living is formed by a combination of cosmic insight and the total of one's emotional reactions to the social and economic environment. Remember: While inherited urges cannot be fundamentally modified, emotional responses to such urges can be changed; therefore the moral nature can be modified, character can be improved. In the strong character emotional responses are integrated and co-ordinated, and thus is produced a unified personality. Deficient unification weakens the moral nature and engenders unhappiness. P.1572 - ¤9 Without a worthy goal, life becomes aimless and unprofitable, and much unhappiness results. Jesus' discourse at the ordination of the twelve constitutes a master philosophy of life. Jesus exhorted his followers to exercise experiential faith. He admonished them not to depend on mere intellectual assent, credulity, and established authority. P.1573 - ¤1 Education should be a technique of learning (discovering) the better methods of gratifying our natural and inherited urges, and happiness is the resulting total of these enhanced techniques of emotional satisfactions. Happiness is little dependent on environment, though pleasing surroundings may greatly contribute thereto. P.1573 - ¤2 Every mortal really craves to be a complete person, to be perfect even as the Father in heaven is perfect, and such attainment is possible because in the last analysis the "universe is truly fatherly." 5. FATHERLY AND BROTHERLY LOVE - P.1573 P.1573 - ¤3 From the Sermon on the Mount to the discourse of the Last Supper, Jesus taught his followers to manifest fatherly love rather than brotherly love. Brotherly love would love your neighbor as you love yourself, and that would be adequate fulfillment of the "golden rule." But fatherly
Re: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
"The Great Work" is a perfect place to start. "Dream of the Earth" is a bit heady, but a great read on environmental ethics http://www.ecozoicstudies.org/thomas_berry.html - Original Message - From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems Here are weblinks to environmental stewardship and spiritual living in Christian terms; and then weblinks for other major world religions...there are many many similarities. http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/egj12/johnson1/ http://www.surfinthespirit.com/environment/environmental-protection.shtml http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF6-95Wright.html http://www.christianecology.org/Stewardship.html Here are weblinks and other religions and environmental stewardship: http://www.acton.org/ppolicy/environment/spirituality/ http://bulletin.rec.org/bull113/clergy_urge.html http://www.mnchurches.org/media/pdfs/ecojustice/Bibliography.pdf http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/islam/index.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/judaism/projects/coejl.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/buddhism/projects/earth_sangha.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/confucianism/index.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/indigenous/index.html --- Legal Eagle :-) :-) Luc - Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems > Okay, > > Now that we've had the sermon on the mount, circa 2004, the question still > remains. > > If you're born again, do you have two belly buttons? > > Todd Swearingen > > "Born okay the first time." > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:27 PM > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > > >> Ah yes, But the bible also states that your righteousness is as filthy >> rags. This passage is in the new testament and I'll have to >> look up the exact reference later. Righteousness and Religion don't count >> for anything. But before I further this thought you must >> first be a believer in God (by whatever name you call him). If you don't >> believe then what's the point. But if you do believe then >> you must certainly recall some scriptures. >> >> I read some post that stated that God did not intend for religion to be >> "organized". But he most certainly did. In the old testament >> there is scripture reference stating "forsake not the gathering together >> of yourselves as the manner of some is..." meaning that >> people of faith should assemble together. And why should we gather >> together? As is stated in the new testament "Faith is built from >> faith to faith.." which is to say that we increase in both knowledge and >> understanding by gathering together, much as we do here in >> the befoul list. We share our knowledge, gain understanding, and >> encourage one another. The apostle Paul also stated that things >> should be done in "order" regarding the gathering together. >> >> Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples >> but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The >> Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. >> The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to >> gather together. >> >> No one can argue that much of the so called Christian community today is >> filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many people >> seeking to put forward a good face to mask their evil deeds. The >> scripture also states "..that where good is, evil is also >> present..". I agree that most of what exist of religious organizations >> today is either a cult or cult like but not all. I will >> always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because I believe that there is >> always some good to be found within the bad (speaking of >> people). >> >> Our challenge today is to find someone in which we can gather together >> with who is indeed seeking after God and his will in our >> lives that we can increase our faith through association with their >> faith. >> >> And what if you don't believe as I believe? It doesn't matter to me. I >> can't save you anyway. Save you (the non-believer) from what? >> It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will still pray to my God that >> he bless you and your house and that we may all live in >> peace and that we can learn to live as equals on this planet. And I can >> share my efforts with my neighbors (of various faiths) to >> bring equity to the world starting with my neighbors. None of my >> neighbors share the same faith but we do share this planet and I >> hope that we can learn together how to reap, replenish and restore what >> this earth has for us. >> >> May God bless you all, >> >> Best wishes, >>
Re: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
LOL, another outstanding "Toddism"! I grew up in Houston, Texas. For those not familiar with American geography, Houston is a port city along the coast of Texas, and considered to be part of the "deep south". We used to have routine "visits" (patrols) by the local "church" (division) of southern Baptists who would send small groups of dedicated parishioners (platoons) to my parents doorstep with smiling, but always different, faces, and always the same question. Have you been saved? My fathers answer, which used to make me laugh as a kid and now really makes me bust a gut, was short and sweet. He would just smile and say, "Yes I have been, until now that is, from a$$s like ya'll!" Somehow I think my father and you, Todd, would have gotten along just fine. AntiFossil Mike Minnesota USA * "If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito." Dalai Lama * "The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it." Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems > Okay, > > Now that we've had the sermon on the mount, circa 2004, the question still > remains. > > If you're born again, do you have two belly buttons? > > Todd Swearingen > > "Born okay the first time." > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:27 PM > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > > > > Ah yes, But the bible also states that your righteousness is as filthy > > rags. This passage is in the new testament and I'll have to > > look up the exact reference later. Righteousness and Religion don't count > > for anything. But before I further this thought you must > > first be a believer in God (by whatever name you call him). If you don't > > believe then what's the point. But if you do believe then > > you must certainly recall some scriptures. > > > > I read some post that stated that God did not intend for religion to be > > "organized". But he most certainly did. In the old testament > > there is scripture reference stating "forsake not the gathering together > > of yourselves as the manner of some is..." meaning that > > people of faith should assemble together. And why should we gather > > together? As is stated in the new testament "Faith is built from > > faith to faith.." which is to say that we increase in both knowledge and > > understanding by gathering together, much as we do here in > > the befoul list. We share our knowledge, gain understanding, and encourage > > one another. The apostle Paul also stated that things > > should be done in "order" regarding the gathering together. > > > > Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples > > but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The > > Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. > > The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to > > gather together. > > > > No one can argue that much of the so called Christian community today is > > filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many people > > seeking to put forward a good face to mask their evil deeds. The scripture > > also states "..that where good is, evil is also > > present..". I agree that most of what exist of religious organizations > > today is either a cult or cult like but not all. I will > > always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because I believe that there is > > always some good to be found within the bad (speaking of > > people). > > > > Our challenge today is to find someone in which we can gather together > > with who is indeed seeking after God and his will in our > > lives that we can increase our faith through association with their faith. > > > > And what if you don't believe as I believe? It doesn't matter to me. I > > can't save you anyway. Save you (the non-believer) from what? > > It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will still pray to my God that he > > bless you and your house and that we may all live in > > peace and that we can learn to live as equals on this planet. And I can > > share my efforts with my neighbors (of various faiths) to > > bring equity to the world starting with my neighbors. None of my neighbors > > share the same faith but we do share this planet and I > > hope that we can learn together how to reap, replenish and restore what > > this earth has for us. > > > > May God bless you all, > > > > Best wishes, > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > Romans 2:14-15 > > Luc > > - Original Message - > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [Biofuel
RE: [Biofuel] was Titration problems, Now the ID Card and how lost Modern Christianity really is.
P.2086 - ¤6 Christianity suffers under a great handicap because it has become identified in the minds of all the world as a part of the social system, the industrial life, and the moral standards of Western civilization; and thus has Christianity unwittingly seemed to sponsor a society which staggers under the guilt of tolerating science without idealism, politics without principles, wealth without work, pleasure without restraint, knowledge without character, power without conscience, and industry without morality. "Your Papers Please" Tyranny takes another giant step forward. The Gestapo is gaining power. This isn't about defending Americans against terrorism, it's about total control and tyranny over the American people. It is apparent, to those Americans that actually give a damn, that the enemy of the Federal Government is not Islamic terrorists, but the American people. The war on terror is a war on the American people. It's not Osama that wants to take your freedom (he couldn't in a million years), it's Washington DC. And the supposed "conservative" Republicans (AKA Communists in sheep's clothing) are leading the way. Meanwhile, they are shipping our military out of the country as they bring in an invasion of illegal foreigners. This is 1930's Germany folks. And the only power that could stand in the way of this tyranny, the CHRISTIANS, are too busy licking the boots of their real god, GW BUSH. December 9, 2004 "Your Papers Please" US adopts National ID: Homeland Security Now In charge of Regulations for all US States Drivers Licenses and Birth Certificates By: Jonathan Wheeler In a chilling act more reminiscent of the now defunct Soviet Union or the Nazi regime of Adolph Hitler, the United States Congress passed legislation yesterday that requires the States to surrender their regulatory rights over driver's licenses and birth certificates to The Department of Homeland Security. The massive US Intelligence Reform Bill weighed in at over 3,000 pages and though unread by individual Members of either the House or Senate nevertheless passed all of the legislative hurdles needed in order to become law. President Bush lobbied hard for these provisions, only objecting when Senator Sensenbrenner attempted to require these same provisions for illegal aliens but which the President opposed. This provision was dropped from the final bill. Beginning in 2005, the Department of Homeland Security will issue new uniformity regulations to the States requiring that all Drivers Licenses and Birth Certificates meet minimal Federal Standards with regard to US citizen information, including biometric security provisions. Added to currently existing Federal Laws and Supreme Court rulings American citizens when born will be issued a Social Security Number that will be included on their Birth Certificates, along with DNA biometric markers. All birth certificates will also be registered in a Federal Government database maintained by the Department of Homeland Security. No child will be allowed enrollment to schools or be entitled to either State of Federal Government benefits programs without first presenting a certified Homeland Security registered Birth Certificate. Drivers Licenses will also contain DNA biometric markers and include the holders Social Security Number and be required for receiving and applying for all State and Federal benefits programs. Previous Supreme Court rulings have also upheld State and Federal Law Enforcement authorities right to request Identification from any American citizen, for any reason and at any time as not being violations of their, the citizens, constitutionally protected rights. Major Banks and credit card companies have applauded the adoption of a National ID system as being important to counter fraud and increasing instances of identity theft. National ID cards with biometric markers will eliminate them from having to issue Credit and Debit cards, which for the first time in US history have surpassed the usage of checks and cash. Utilizing The Department of Homeland Securities centralized federal database, Banks and credit card companies will only require the presentation of a citizens Driver's License to make purchases as all of the persons financial information, including credit and cash balances, will already be known in 'real time'. (The combining of Homeland Security and Banking databases on citizen's balances and purchases, along with their past and present purchasing information, has been allowed under previous Federal Laws including the Patriot Act.) Also included in this bill is a law to require The Department of Homeland Security to establish a separate ID system for citizens to use prior to boarding airplanes, and which is eerily reminiscent of the Soviet and Nazi regimes dreaded Internal Passport. Never before in our history have the words of Be
RE: [Biofuel] was Titration problems, now loony Mooney.
Just goes to show you in this wacked out country EVERYTHING is for sale. Even the messiahship. :) Is it now phunny Money? Mooney looney? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Sermon on the mount from the UB
P.1572 - ¤1 The so-called "Sermon on the Mount" is not the gospel of Jesus. It does contain much helpful instruction, but it was Jesus' ordination charge to the twelve apostles. It was the Master's personal commission to those who were to go on preaching the gospel and aspiring to represent him in the world of men even as he was so eloquently and perfectly representative of his Father. P.1572 - ¤2 "You are the salt of the earth, salt with a saving savor. But if this salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is henceforth good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men." P.1572 - ¤3 In Jesus' time salt was precious. It was even used for money. The modern word "salary" is derived from salt. Salt not only flavors food, but it is also a preservative. It makes other things more tasty, and thus it serves by being spent. P.1572 - ¤4 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and be led to glorify your Father who is in heaven." P.1572 - ¤5 While light dispels darkness, it can also be so "blinding" as to confuse and frustrate. We are admonished to let our light so shine that our fellows will be guided into new and godly paths of enhanced living. Our light should so shine as not to attract attention to self. Even one's vocation can be utilized as an effective "reflector" for the dissemination of this light of life. P.1572 - ¤6 Strong characters are not derived from not doing wrong but rather from actually doing right. Unselfishness is the badge of human greatness. The highest levels of self-realization are attained by worship and service. The happy and effective person is motivated, not by fear of wrongdoing, but by love of right doing. P.1572 - ¤7 "By their fruits you shall know them." Personality is basically changeless; that which changes--grows--is the moral character. The major error of modern religions is negativism. The tree which bears no fruit is "hewn down and cast into the fire." Moral worth cannot be derived from mere repression--obeying the injunction "Thou shalt not." Fear and shame are unworthy motivations for religious living. Religion is valid only when it reveals the fatherhood of God and enhances the brotherhood of men. P.1572 - ¤8 An effective philosophy of living is formed by a combination of cosmic insight and the total of one's emotional reactions to the social and economic environment. Remember: While inherited urges cannot be fundamentally modified, emotional responses to such urges can be changed; therefore the moral nature can be modified, character can be improved. In the strong character emotional responses are integrated and co-ordinated, and thus is produced a unified personality. Deficient unification weakens the moral nature and engenders unhappiness. P.1572 - ¤9 Without a worthy goal, life becomes aimless and unprofitable, and much unhappiness results. Jesus' discourse at the ordination of the twelve constitutes a master philosophy of life. Jesus exhorted his followers to exercise experiential faith. He admonished them not to depend on mere intellectual assent, credulity, and established authority. P.1573 - ¤1 Education should be a technique of learning (discovering) the better methods of gratifying our natural and inherited urges, and happiness is the resulting total of these enhanced techniques of emotional satisfactions. Happiness is little dependent on environment, though pleasing surroundings may greatly contribute thereto. P.1573 - ¤2 Every mortal really craves to be a complete person, to be perfect even as the Father in heaven is perfect, and such attainment is possible because in the last analysis the "universe is truly fatherly." 5. FATHERLY AND BROTHERLY LOVE - P.1573 P.1573 - ¤3 From the Sermon on the Mount to the discourse of the Last Supper, Jesus taught his followers to manifest fatherly love rather than brotherly love. Brotherly love would love your neighbor as you love yourself, and that would be adequate fulfillment of the "golden rule." But fatherly affection would require that you should love your fellow mortals as Jesus loves you. P.1573 - ¤4 Jesus loves mankind with a dual affection. He lived on earth as a twofold personality--human and divine. As the Son of God he loves man with a fatherly love--he is man's Creator, his universe Father. As the Son of Man, Jesus loves mortals as a brother--he was truly a man among men. P.1573 - ¤5 Jesus did not expect his followers to achieve an impossible manifestation of brotherly love, but he did expect them to so strive to be like God--to be perfect even as the Father in heaven is perfect--that they could begin to look upon man as God looks upon his creatures and therefore could begin to love men as God loves the
Re: [Biofuel] was Titration problems, now loony Mooney.
Hi All, Really can't help myself. Must add this one. The world keeps getting stranger and yes I agree that successful titration will eventually lead to god (small g). Read on: Lunies are running the Usylum MOONSTRUCK The news of a very strange event that occurred at the end of March, but was quietly swept under the carpet by the mainstream media, is just now beginning to leak out. Expect to hear more about it in the coming days. Hereâs a preview on what surely must be one of the most bizarre happenings in the long history of Congressional oddities· It occurred on March 23, 2004 when Reverend Sun Myung Moon, cultist leader of the Unification Church (currently known as The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification), was crowned ãKing of Peaceä in a coronation ceremony. In his coronation speech, Moon told the audience that it was now time to officially recognize him as the returned Messiah. Ha-ha funny? Not really. Moon is not just an odd duck÷he is an influential, politically well-connected, and extremely dangerous odd duck. Case in point: the event÷the ãAmbassadors for Peaceä awards÷was held at the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington DC, and reportedly attended by 81 members of Congress. It gets stranger. According to the Washington Post, Moon was crowned by Rep. Danny K. Davis (D-Ill.) who ãwore white gloves and carried a pillow holding an ornate crown that was placed on Moonâs head.ä The ãTrue Fatherä was wearing a floor-length, scarlet-and-gold velvet robe for the occasion. If you donât believe it, click here for photos and more information. During his speech Moon proclaimed: ãThe time has come for you as well to open your hearts and receive the secrets that Heaven is disclosing in this age through me. In one sense, I am a human being living with a physical body like each of you. But in the context of Heaven's providence, I am God's ambassador, sent to earth with His full authority. I am sent to accomplish His command to save the world's six billion people, restoring them to Heaven with the original goodness in which they were created.ä Deceased saints, spiritual leaders, kings and presidents, even a transformed Hitler and Stalin, he said, ãhave declared to all Heaven and Earth that Reverend Sun Myung Moon is none other than humanityâs Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent. This resolution has been announced on every corner of the globe.ä Not in America. In spite of the magnitude of the eventâs lunacy, it was largely kept under wraps. Since last week, when the story eventually leaked into the mainstream media, most of the congressmen involved have busily distanced themselves from Moon. Roscoe G. Bartlett, a Maryland Republican, said he didnât expect to attend what Moonâs church calls the crowning of ãthe King and Queen of the Second and Third Israelä. Sen. Mark Dayton (D-Minn.) told the Washington Post that he had come solely for the peace awards, not knowing the reverend would even be there. An invitation mailed out on March 6, however, clearly names as main sponsor the ãInterreligious and International Federation for World Peace (IIFWP), founded by Rev. Dr. and Mrs. Sun Myung Moon, who will also be recognized that evening for their lifelong work to promote interfaith cooperation and reconciliation.ä Other Moon affiliates like the Washington Times Foundation are listed as co-sponsors. It is very likely that the wacky coronation ceremony caught most of the congressmen by surprise. But there are some politicians who passionately support Moonâs dubious cause, for example Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) who officially recognized Mr. and Mrs. Moon as "True Parents" and "King of Peace." (Click here to read the original document.) Sun Myung Moon, who is richer than billionaire George Soros, owns the Washington Times and the United Press International Foundation. He controls and/or is associated with at least 50 committees and non-profit organizations around the United States. He has been hobnobbing with key players from both political parties and is a long-time supporter of the Bush family. The most striking example of Moonâs influence is related by Rick Ross, a Phoenix- based cult expert and consultant. Parentsâ Day (the 4th Sunday in July), he claims, does in fact celebrate÷unbeknownst to most Americans÷Rev. Moon and his wife, the self- proclaimed ãTrue Parents of mankindä. In the summer of 1993, reports Ross, Hak Ja Moon laid the groundwork for the new holiday with the cross-country ãTrue Parentsâ Tour Americaä that ended in Washington DC. On July 27, Sen. Trent Lott (R.-Miss.) urged his fellow Senators to support a ãTrue Parentsâ Dayä, to be celebrated the next day by the Womenâs Federation for World Peace, one of Moonâs affiliate groups. Around the same time one year later, Rep. Dan Burton (R.-Ind.) and Rep. Floyd Flake (D.-N.Y.) asked the Senate for approval of House Resolution 236 that recognized July 28, 1994 as Parentsâ Day. Since they skipped the od
Re: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Here are weblinks to environmental stewardship and spiritual living in Christian terms; and then weblinks for other major world religions...there are many many similarities. http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/egj12/johnson1/ http://www.surfinthespirit.com/environment/environmental-protection.shtml http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF6-95Wright.html http://www.christianecology.org/Stewardship.html Here are weblinks and other religions and environmental stewardship: http://www.acton.org/ppolicy/environment/spirituality/ http://bulletin.rec.org/bull113/clergy_urge.html http://www.mnchurches.org/media/pdfs/ecojustice/Bibliography.pdf http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/islam/index.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/judaism/projects/coejl.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/buddhism/projects/earth_sangha.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/confucianism/index.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/indigenous/index.html --- Legal Eagle > :-) :-) > Luc > - Original Message - > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:37 PM > Subject: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] > Titration problems > > > > Okay, > > > > Now that we've had the sermon on the mount, circa > 2004, the question still > > remains. > > > > If you're born again, do you have two belly > buttons? > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > "Born okay the first time." > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Tim Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > > > > > >> Ah yes, But the bible also states that your > righteousness is as filthy > >> rags. This passage is in the new testament and > I'll have to > >> look up the exact reference later. Righteousness > and Religion don't count > >> for anything. But before I further this thought > you must > >> first be a believer in God (by whatever name you > call him). If you don't > >> believe then what's the point. But if you do > believe then > >> you must certainly recall some scriptures. > >> > >> I read some post that stated that God did not > intend for religion to be > >> "organized". But he most certainly did. In the > old testament > >> there is scripture reference stating "forsake not > the gathering together > >> of yourselves as the manner of some is..." > meaning that > >> people of faith should assemble together. And why > should we gather > >> together? As is stated in the new testament > "Faith is built from > >> faith to faith.." which is to say that we > increase in both knowledge and > >> understanding by gathering together, much as we > do here in > >> the befoul list. We share our knowledge, gain > understanding, and > >> encourage one another. The apostle Paul also > stated that things > >> should be done in "order" regarding the gathering > together. > >> > >> Much of those gathering together events were not > however held in Temples > >> but rather in homes of individuals and other > places. The > >> Church is not a building but rather it refers to > the Faithful followers. > >> The Temples are no less sacred but still only a > place to > >> gather together. > >> > >> No one can argue that much of the so called > Christian community today is > >> filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many > people > >> seeking to put forward a good face to mask their > evil deeds. The > >> scripture also states "..that where good is, evil > is also > >> present..". I agree that most of what exist of > religious organizations > >> today is either a cult or cult like but not all. > I will > >> always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because > I believe that there is > >> always some good to be found within the bad > (speaking of > >> people). > >> > >> Our challenge today is to find someone in which > we can gather together > >> with who is indeed seeking after God and his will > in our > >> lives that we can increase our faith through > association with their > >> faith. > >> > >> And what if you don't believe as I believe? It > doesn't matter to me. I > >> can't save you anyway. Save you (the > non-believer) from what? > >> It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will > still pray to my God that > >> he bless you and your house and that we may all > live in > >> peace and that we can learn to live as equals on > this planet. And I can > >> share my efforts with my neighbors (of various > faiths) to > >> bring equity to the world starting with my > neighbors. None of my > >> neighbors share the same faith but we do share > this planet and I > >> hope that we can learn together how to reap, > replenish and restore what > >> this earth has for us. > >> > >> May God bless you all, > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Romans 2:14-15 > >> Luc > >> - Original Message - > >> > >> To: <[EMAIL PR
Re: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Here are weblinks to environmental stewardship and spiritual living in Christian terms; and then weblinks for other major world religions...there are many many similarities. http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/egj12/johnson1/ http://www.surfinthespirit.com/environment/environmental-protection.shtml http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF6-95Wright.html http://www.christianecology.org/Stewardship.html Here are weblinks and other religions and environmental stewardship: http://www.acton.org/ppolicy/environment/spirituality/ http://bulletin.rec.org/bull113/clergy_urge.html http://www.mnchurches.org/media/pdfs/ecojustice/Bibliography.pdf http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/islam/index.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/judaism/projects/coejl.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/buddhism/projects/earth_sangha.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/confucianism/index.html http://environment.harvard.edu/religion/religion/indigenous/index.html --- Legal Eagle > :-) :-) > Luc > - Original Message - > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:37 PM > Subject: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] > Titration problems > > > > Okay, > > > > Now that we've had the sermon on the mount, circa > 2004, the question still > > remains. > > > > If you're born again, do you have two belly > buttons? > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > "Born okay the first time." > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Tim Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > > > > > >> Ah yes, But the bible also states that your > righteousness is as filthy > >> rags. This passage is in the new testament and > I'll have to > >> look up the exact reference later. Righteousness > and Religion don't count > >> for anything. But before I further this thought > you must > >> first be a believer in God (by whatever name you > call him). If you don't > >> believe then what's the point. But if you do > believe then > >> you must certainly recall some scriptures. > >> > >> I read some post that stated that God did not > intend for religion to be > >> "organized". But he most certainly did. In the > old testament > >> there is scripture reference stating "forsake not > the gathering together > >> of yourselves as the manner of some is..." > meaning that > >> people of faith should assemble together. And why > should we gather > >> together? As is stated in the new testament > "Faith is built from > >> faith to faith.." which is to say that we > increase in both knowledge and > >> understanding by gathering together, much as we > do here in > >> the befoul list. We share our knowledge, gain > understanding, and > >> encourage one another. The apostle Paul also > stated that things > >> should be done in "order" regarding the gathering > together. > >> > >> Much of those gathering together events were not > however held in Temples > >> but rather in homes of individuals and other > places. The > >> Church is not a building but rather it refers to > the Faithful followers. > >> The Temples are no less sacred but still only a > place to > >> gather together. > >> > >> No one can argue that much of the so called > Christian community today is > >> filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many > people > >> seeking to put forward a good face to mask their > evil deeds. The > >> scripture also states "..that where good is, evil > is also > >> present..". I agree that most of what exist of > religious organizations > >> today is either a cult or cult like but not all. > I will > >> always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because > I believe that there is > >> always some good to be found within the bad > (speaking of > >> people). > >> > >> Our challenge today is to find someone in which > we can gather together > >> with who is indeed seeking after God and his will > in our > >> lives that we can increase our faith through > association with their > >> faith. > >> > >> And what if you don't believe as I believe? It > doesn't matter to me. I > >> can't save you anyway. Save you (the > non-believer) from what? > >> It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will > still pray to my God that > >> he bless you and your house and that we may all > live in > >> peace and that we can learn to live as equals on > this planet. And I can > >> share my efforts with my neighbors (of various > faiths) to > >> bring equity to the world starting with my > neighbors. None of my > >> neighbors share the same faith but we do share > this planet and I > >> hope that we can learn together how to reap, > replenish and restore what > >> this earth has for us. > >> > >> May God bless you all, > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Romans 2:14-15 > >> Luc > >> - Original Message - > >> > >> To: <[EMAIL PRO
[Biofuel] Biolubes Update
Here is summary of article on Biolubes in U.S. : --The market for vegetable based lubricants continues to grow as an alternative to petrochemical based products --Factors in favor: Government support, emerging technology, ongoing uncertainty over crude oil supply, response to environmental concerns. --Factors: oil leaking to ground, into fresh water, --Ester based hydraulic oils, gear oils and greases are recommended for use in environmentally sensitive areas. --Forestry applications, water management, utility transformers, food processing applications, human joint lubricants replacements, are all areas in need of biolubes and the precursors to wider applications --Based on synthetic or natural esters --Cost issue a barrier to widespread use for the average consumer. Biolubes still at a premium price and mainly fill niche markets and customers What should we expect in the future? --Initial push was to solve and reduce impact of potential lubricant spills. --IE: The recently soy-based transformer fluids. --Challenge: ironically, the US-EPA considers all spills, either vegetable based oils/lubes or traditional oil, as requiring identical levels of reporting and cleanup even though biolubes are cleaner. --Unless this status changes within US-EPA then benefits of using vegetable based biolubes and "bio whatever" will not be realized. --Other drivers: Green Chemistry initiatives by the US Government. --the 2002 Farm Bill promoting homegrown versus petrochemical --Markets: ester based polymers, adhesives, personal care products, coatings, and of course biofuels, biolubes. --Challenges - pour point needs to be addressed due to hydrogenation. Other: even biobased lubes may have additives and not all additives are environmentally non-toxic. Need oxidative stability. Ability to work in low temperatures. Define what really is a biolube. What percentages, etc. References: Lubes N Grease Journal, Nov. 2004,Dr. Ray Bergstra Have a safe day, Phillip Wolfe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Hey, since we are on the subject, I was wondering -- If you get a second belly button, Does it do anything? If so, do we get to choose what it does? Because, I keep loosing my garage door opener. Mike Tim Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Todd, "Born of the water or of the spirit" is the question? So then do I have two natural belly buttons or only one natural belly button and one spiritual belly button? I think maybe the later. Best wishes Todd, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems Okay, Now that we've had the sermon on the mount, circa 2004, the question still remains. If you're born again, do you have two belly buttons? Todd Swearingen "Born okay the first time." ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] was Titration problems
It is actually not in the NT but the Old, Isaiah 64:6 and is primarily in reference to our own SELF righteousness as being like "filthy rags" which reference is politically correct for what women use monthly. Filthy rags were abundant from all genders and social sectors of the day, as Maytags and Speed Queens were still on the event horizon for everyone, as was PC. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was Titration problems G'day Tim; Didn't ya just know I was going to chime in here? :-) - Original Message - From: "Tim Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems Ah yes, But the bible also states that your righteousness is as filthy rags. This passage is in the new testament and I'll have to look up the exact reference later. It is actually not in the NT but the Old, Isaiah 64:6 and is primarily in reference to our own SELF righteousness as being like "filthy rags" which reference is politically correct for what women use monthly. Yuk, eh? Righteousness and Religion don't count for anything. But before I further this thought you must first be a believer in God (by whatever name you call him). If you don't believe then what's the point. But if you do believe then you must certainly recall some scriptures. I read some post that stated that God did not intend for religion to be "organized". But he most certainly did. In the old testament there is scripture reference stating "forsake not the gathering together of yourselves as the manner of some is..." meaning that people of faith should assemble together. Hehe. Not Old but New.Hebrews 10:25. But then "assembling" does not require a church building to accomplish. "Assembling" is what we do here every day on this list. Nor it is distinct in the level of that "assembling" to represent large or small numbers. When Jesus sent out His disciples He did so two by two. They were "assembled" no? " Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up."(Ecclesiastes 4:9-10) And here we have the reason for it, to be a help and encouragement in the face of adversity. And why should we gather together? As is stated in the new testament "Faith is built from faith to faith.." which is to say that we increase in both knowledge and understanding by gathering together, much as we do here in the befoul list. Faith is primarily built by reading and studying the Word. (Romans 10:17) Further discusiin about it can only come to either clarify or relate experiences surrounding this. We share our knowledge, gain understanding, and encourage one another. The apostle Paul also stated that things should be done in "order" regarding the gathering together. "Let all things be done decently and in order" (1Corinthians 14;40) Refering to everything we do, not only assembling. We should have decency and order in our lives. How can we be of any earthly good if our lives are in debauchery and chaos ? Of course, "decency" leaves a plethora of definitions open to subjected thought. It is not limited to the so-called christian right's interpretation of it. I personally think the sight of a woman's nude body as completely decent, while they would class it indecent. So there you have it. > Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. On this we agree 100% The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to gather together. Well, they are places where some chose to gather. Sacred ? Sounds a little too close to place worship for my tastes. No one can argue that much of the so called Christian community today is filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many people seeking to put forward a good face to mask their evil deeds. Same can be said of any large organised religious group, not only those professing to be Christian. Fractions abound, and as long as people seek to justify a pre-determined agenda with religious faith-based ideas this will continue, however, as in all identifiable religious groups there are also those who are sincere and those who will apply the teachings of the seers and prophets to the betterment of their lives and the lives of those around them, which. in fact, is the point. The scripture also states "..that where good is, evil is also present..". I agree that most of what exist of religious organizations today is either a cult or cult like but not all. I will always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because I believe that there is always
RE: [Biofuel] was Titration problems
Hello Luc, It would be a terrible thing if you didn't sound in. And thanks for taking the time to locate the actual scriptural references. I'm working and won't have the opportunity until later today. There is mention of the gathering together in the old testament as well, I will find it later. As you say, we agree on more than we disagree and thats not bad. You bring out some very good points and have peaked my mind to research the scripture text some more. It's good to have sounding boards in this life, provided we listen to the sounds that come back to us. Best wishes, Tim G'day Tim; Didn't ya just know I was going to chime in here? :-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Hello Todd, "Born of the water or of the spirit" is the question? So then do I have two natural belly buttons or only one natural belly button and one spiritual belly button? I think maybe the later. Best wishes Todd, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems Okay, Now that we've had the sermon on the mount, circa 2004, the question still remains. If you're born again, do you have two belly buttons? Todd Swearingen "Born okay the first time." ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Luc - Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems Okay, Now that we've had the sermon on the mount, circa 2004, the question still remains. If you're born again, do you have two belly buttons? Todd Swearingen "Born okay the first time." - Original Message - From: "Tim Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems Ah yes, But the bible also states that your righteousness is as filthy rags. This passage is in the new testament and I'll have to look up the exact reference later. Righteousness and Religion don't count for anything. But before I further this thought you must first be a believer in God (by whatever name you call him). If you don't believe then what's the point. But if you do believe then you must certainly recall some scriptures. I read some post that stated that God did not intend for religion to be "organized". But he most certainly did. In the old testament there is scripture reference stating "forsake not the gathering together of yourselves as the manner of some is..." meaning that people of faith should assemble together. And why should we gather together? As is stated in the new testament "Faith is built from faith to faith.." which is to say that we increase in both knowledge and understanding by gathering together, much as we do here in the befoul list. We share our knowledge, gain understanding, and encourage one another. The apostle Paul also stated that things should be done in "order" regarding the gathering together. Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to gather together. No one can argue that much of the so called Christian community today is filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many people seeking to put forward a good face to mask their evil deeds. The scripture also states "..that where good is, evil is also present..". I agree that most of what exist of religious organizations today is either a cult or cult like but not all. I will always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because I believe that there is always some good to be found within the bad (speaking of people). Our challenge today is to find someone in which we can gather together with who is indeed seeking after God and his will in our lives that we can increase our faith through association with their faith. And what if you don't believe as I believe? It doesn't matter to me. I can't save you anyway. Save you (the non-believer) from what? It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will still pray to my God that he bless you and your house and that we may all live in peace and that we can learn to live as equals on this planet. And I can share my efforts with my neighbors (of various faiths) to bring equity to the world starting with my neighbors. None of my neighbors share the same faith but we do share this planet and I hope that we can learn together how to reap, replenish and restore what this earth has for us. May God bless you all, Best wishes, Tim Romans 2:14-15 Luc - Original Message - To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems Christopher: God is not as illogical as religion would put Him. According to the Bible, even persons who never knew of God but do the right(good)thing ARE righteous regardless. Christopher, I know of some suggestion of this in the Bible, but am unsure of where it is explicitly stated. Do you have a reference? Thanks. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] quality test
You might ask yourself where you gained the extra 25 ml in the water layer. Impossible that the gain would be from excess methanol, as there can't be that much in a 150 ml sample. Impossible that the gain would be from soap washed out of the fuel, as you let it set overnight and all but trace amounts would have settled out. You mention that the "fuel" was darker than you expected. Chances are that if you had reprocessed what you believed to be fuel you would have seen more glyc drop out. Fairly safe bet that you had an incomplete reaction and the gain in volume of your wash layer was from mono- and di-glycerides that failed to convert. The settling time alone should clue you in on this. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Daniel Breen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: [Biofuel] quality test new guy here again, So I made my first test batch in a blender from wvo. It separated within 3 hours but I gave it overnight anyway. It was darker in color than I expected. Anyway, I scooped 150 ml off the top of the container and put into a jar with 150 ml of water. I shook violently for 10 sec. and set it aside. It looked like milk. I had read that it should completely separate in 30 min. to be quality fuel. It has been an hour and the mixture is 100 ml of fuel on top and 200 ml of milky water on bottom. Update! now its been 2 hours and I have 125 ml of fuel on top and 175 ml of milky water on bottom. So, since this didn't separate in 30 min. is this poor fuel I measured out all my mixtures very accurately, I believe. Any words of advice. Thanks Dan - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) G'day Brian; - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who >put effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang >out. It is most definetly a collective effort, and all parts of that effort makes this list so stimulating. I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back to the fold. I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at this stage in my development. Without the JtF site (and this list) I never could have done anything that remotely resembles what I have been able to accomplish, so yes, it is a treasure house well worth investigating. I do get a lot from being able to watch the success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest once I get settled somewhere. Feeding off each others' success and failures as well drives things forward. Need somethng mobile until you get "settled" ? There are ideas that can be "played" with on the processors page at JtF. You got a small trailer you can pull with a vehicle ? Sounds like a mobile BD lab to me :-) However, what really keeps me coming back is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often than I post disagreement, I do learn something. That's what this is all about, IMHO. A wise person learns from his mistakes, a wiser person still learns from the mistakes of others. The point is, to learn something, and here you have no problem doing that.IMHO too:) Luc Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Now that we've had the sermon on the mount, circa 2004, the question still remains. If you're born again, do you have two belly buttons? Todd Swearingen "Born okay the first time." - Original Message - From: "Tim Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems Ah yes, But the bible also states that your righteousness is as filthy rags. This passage is in the new testament and I'll have to look up the exact reference later. Righteousness and Religion don't count for anything. But before I further this thought you must first be a believer in God (by whatever name you call him). If you don't believe then what's the point. But if you do believe then you must certainly recall some scriptures. I read some post that stated that God did not intend for religion to be "organized". But he most certainly did. In the old testament there is scripture reference stating "forsake not the gathering together of yourselves as the manner of some is..." meaning that people of faith should assemble together. And why should we gather together? As is stated in the new testament "Faith is built from faith to faith.." which is to say that we increase in both knowledge and understanding by gathering together, much as we do here in the befoul list. We share our knowledge, gain understanding, and encourage one another. The apostle Paul also stated that things should be done in "order" regarding the gathering together. Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to gather together. No one can argue that much of the so called Christian community today is filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many people seeking to put forward a good face to mask their evil deeds. The scripture also states "..that where good is, evil is also present..". I agree that most of what exist of religious organizations today is either a cult or cult like but not all. I will always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because I believe that there is always some good to be found within the bad (speaking of people). Our challenge today is to find someone in which we can gather together with who is indeed seeking after God and his will in our lives that we can increase our faith through association with their faith. And what if you don't believe as I believe? It doesn't matter to me. I can't save you anyway. Save you (the non-believer) from what? It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will still pray to my God that he bless you and your house and that we may all live in peace and that we can learn to live as equals on this planet. And I can share my efforts with my neighbors (of various faiths) to bring equity to the world starting with my neighbors. None of my neighbors share the same faith but we do share this planet and I hope that we can learn together how to reap, replenish and restore what this earth has for us. May God bless you all, Best wishes, Tim Romans 2:14-15 Luc - Original Message - To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems Christopher: God is not as illogical as religion would put Him. According to the Bible, even persons who never knew of God but do the right(good)thing ARE righteous regardless. Christopher, I know of some suggestion of this in the Bible, but am unsure of where it is explicitly stated. Do you have a reference? Thanks. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] was Titration problems
Didn't ya just know I was going to chime in here? :-) - Original Message - From: "Tim Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems Ah yes, But the bible also states that your righteousness is as filthy rags. This passage is in the new testament and I'll have to look up the exact reference later. It is actually not in the NT but the Old, Isaiah 64:6 and is primarily in reference to our own SELF righteousness as being like "filthy rags" which reference is politically correct for what women use monthly. Yuk, eh? Righteousness and Religion don't count for anything. But before I further this thought you must first be a believer in God (by whatever name you call him). If you don't believe then what's the point. But if you do believe then you must certainly recall some scriptures. I read some post that stated that God did not intend for religion to be "organized". But he most certainly did. In the old testament there is scripture reference stating "forsake not the gathering together of yourselves as the manner of some is..." meaning that people of faith should assemble together. Hehe. Not Old but New.Hebrews 10:25. But then "assembling" does not require a church building to accomplish. "Assembling" is what we do here every day on this list. Nor it is distinct in the level of that "assembling" to represent large or small numbers. When Jesus sent out His disciples He did so two by two. They were "assembled" no? " Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up."(Ecclesiastes 4:9-10) And here we have the reason for it, to be a help and encouragement in the face of adversity. And why should we gather together? As is stated in the new testament "Faith is built from faith to faith.." which is to say that we increase in both knowledge and understanding by gathering together, much as we do here in the befoul list. Faith is primarily built by reading and studying the Word. (Romans 10:17) Further discusiin about it can only come to either clarify or relate experiences surrounding this. We share our knowledge, gain understanding, and encourage one another. The apostle Paul also stated that things should be done in "order" regarding the gathering together. "Let all things be done decently and in order" (1Corinthians 14;40) Refering to everything we do, not only assembling. We should have decency and order in our lives. How can we be of any earthly good if our lives are in debauchery and chaos ? Of course, "decency" leaves a plethora of definitions open to subjected thought. It is not limited to the so-called christian right's interpretation of it. I personally think the sight of a woman's nude body as completely decent, while they would class it indecent. So there you have it. > Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. On this we agree 100% The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to gather together. Well, they are places where some chose to gather. Sacred ? Sounds a little too close to place worship for my tastes. No one can argue that much of the so called Christian community today is filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many people seeking to put forward a good face to mask their evil deeds. Same can be said of any large organised religious group, not only those professing to be Christian. Fractions abound, and as long as people seek to justify a pre-determined agenda with religious faith-based ideas this will continue, however, as in all identifiable religious groups there are also those who are sincere and those who will apply the teachings of the seers and prophets to the betterment of their lives and the lives of those around them, which. in fact, is the point. The scripture also states "..that where good is, evil is also present..". I agree that most of what exist of religious organizations today is either a cult or cult like but not all. I will always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because I believe that there is always some good to be found within the bad (speaking of people). "...But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:" (Romans 5:20) I have always read "sin" as "lack of love", and when applied to the lovely situation we find ourselves in on the world stage it is not difficult to see "the lack of love" abounding, but it is our hope that we shall offer a glimmer of light and positive to offset if but a portion of it. Our challenge today is to find someone in which we can gather together with who is indeed seeking after God and his will in our lives that we can increase our f
[Biofuel] quality test
new guy here again, So I made my first test batch in a blender from wvo. It separated within 3 hours but I gave it overnight anyway. It was darker in color than I expected. Anyway, I scooped 150 ml off the top of the container and put into a jar with 150 ml of water. I shook violently for 10 sec. and set it aside. It looked like milk. I had read that it should completely separate in 30 min. to be quality fuel. It has been an hour and the mixture is 100 ml of fuel on top and 200 ml of milky water on bottom. Update! now its been 2 hours and I have 125 ml of fuel on top and 175 ml of milky water on bottom. So, since this didn't separate in 30 min. is this poor fuel I measured out all my mixtures very accurately, I believe. Any words of advice.Thanks Dan - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) G'day Brian; - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) > I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who >put > effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang >out. It is most definetly a collective effort, and all parts of that effort makes this list so stimulating. > I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have > allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back > to the fold. > > I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel > information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at > this stage in my development. Without the JtF site (and this list) I never could have done anything that remotely resembles what I have been able to accomplish, so yes, it is a treasure house well worth investigating. I do get a lot from being able to watch the > success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest > once I get settled somewhere. Feeding off each others' success and failures as well drives things forward. Need somethng mobile until you get "settled" ? There are ideas that can be "played" with on the processors page at JtF. You got a small trailer you can pull with a vehicle ? Sounds like a mobile BD lab to me :-) However, what really keeps me coming back > is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a > regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often > than I post disagreement, I do learn something. That's what this is all > about, IMHO. A wise person learns from his mistakes, a wiser person still learns from the mistakes of others. The point is, to learn something, and here you have no problem doing that.IMHO too:) Luc > > Brian > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news
Funny, this: The US EPA fuel economy rating for the vehicle (with 5-speed automatic transmission) is 29 mpg (8.11 l/100 km) in the city and 37 mpg (6.35 l/100 km) on the highway. The Accord Hybrid has a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $29,990. A person can rebuild/restore a near death '85 VW Golf or Jetta diesel (that's suspension, engine, tranny, clutch, weatherstripping and paint) for around $6,000 US and get 50-52 mpg - on petroleum diesel, biodiesel or both. I believe I'd rather put the $24,000 savings against me mortgage than in an automaker's "clutches." Yea, verily. There've been several snippets about disappointing fuel economy for hybrids, including one in this roundup. From another of the NIBs below: This is another indication that the fuel economy of hybrid vehicles is extremely sensitive to the test cycle, much more so than the fuel economy in conventional powertrains. The fuel saving with hybrids is due to energy management in the powertrain, rather than to improved thermal efficiency of the engine, and can be realized only under transient driving patterns. Fuel economy predictions for hybrids in real life applications are indeed very difficult. The PNGV diesel hybrid cars were hitting 80 mpg when the program was scrapped. I wonder if those were "real life application" figures? PNGV is here, about halfway down: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html Do diesels have a future? ... Well, there and mouldering away on various back shelves in Detroit. And this explains why: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30857/ Best wishes Keith Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ More hybrid technology news + Honda debuts Accord Hybrid in the US market Honda has launched its biggest hybrid car, the 2005 Accord Hybrid. The Accord Hybrid comes with the third generation of Honda's hybrid system, in combination with the new Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) cylinder deactivation technology, which shuts down three of the six cylinders while cruising. The vehicle generates 255 hp, 6% more than the Accord V-6 Sedan, with "a remarkably broad and flat torque curve," said Honda. The US EPA fuel economy rating for the vehicle (with 5-speed automatic transmission) is 29 mpg (8.11 l/100 km) in the city and 37 mpg (6.35 l/100 km) on the highway. The Accord Hybrid has a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $29,990. The hybrid is similarly equipped to the conventional Honda Accord EX V-6, which comes with an MSRP of $26,700. Based on that comparison, the price premium for the hybrid propulsion system is about $3,290. http://hondanews.com/CatID2128?mid=2004121041348&mime=asc + Dodge RAM hybrid enters production DaimlerChrysler has begun limited production of the Dodge Ram Diesel hybrid electric vehicle (HEV), which will be available to fleet customers. The Dodge Ram Diesel HEV is built on the Ram Heavy Duty (2500/3500) chassis, features the 5.9 liter 325 hp, 600 lb-ft Cummins Turbo Diesel, and is equipped with diesel-electric hybrid propulsion. An integrated starter-alternator unit provides a start-stop capability, which shuts the engine off at full stop and restarts when the accelerator is pressed. It also assists the diesel engine during acceleration. A regenerative braking system helps recharge the batteries. The saving on fuel is up to 15%. http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/SD7DEV/GMS/TEMPLATES/GMS_PRESS_RELE A SE/0,2941,0-1-62035-1-1-text-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html + Hybrid buses not delivering fuel economy According to press reports, hybrid diesel electric buses purchased by Seattle, WA, have not delivered their anticipated fuel economy improvement. The hybrids were expected to save up to 40% of fuel, but the fuel economy in the first months of real operation was comparable to that of conventional diesels. The King County Metro has purchased 235 60-foot articulated buses featuring the GM's Allison hybrid drive system. At this time, the transit agency has the largest fleet of hybrid buses in the world. In September, the hybrids were getting only a disappointing 3.75 mpg. At times, the hybrid buses had worse mileage than the 1989 buses they were replacing. One of the possible reasons is that the hybrids were operated on suburban express routes with large proportion of highway mileage, where little fuel economy advantage exists. The fuel efficiency of hybrid buses is well pronounced in stop-and-go applications, such as in urban driving. This is another indication that the fuel economy of hybrid vehicles is extremely sensitive to the test cycle, much more so than the fuel economy in conventional powertrains. The fuel saving with hybrids is due to energy management i
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
> Greetings, > > As a long time member of the biofuels list, [I took a break then came > back] > I have found this list to be different, very different. We can discuss > differences and not fight! We do not divide into camps and start wars. > We > came to learn from each other and we do learn, not just biofuels. It is a > joy to have a place where different spiritualities can be discussed. No > one is saying you must believe as I believe. Different people have been > kind enough to share what they believe or live. My thanks to all who have > done so. > > Bright Blessings, > Kim I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who put effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang out. Thankyou! A collective thankyou... It's a lot of work all the time, nearly all of it out of view, which is as it should be. Like good design and good editing - at its best it's invisible. Judging from the very small number of really talented managers I've known, I think good management is like that too - it's hard to see quite what they do, until they go on holiday or something and suddenly they're not doing it, THEN you see it! I don't think you can learn that at Harvard Business School. Anyway, yes, a lot of work, but, though the technical side has been more troublesome for Martin, as we were recently discussing, I must say that running the list itself has been much less troublesome and time-consuming than it was before we left Yahoo. It's much more a real community now, which it was always trying to be and being thwarted, and it's much more self-moderating, individually and collectively. I posted this message on "The Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists" shortly after we moved: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/07.html I reckon we made it to #6b, and the entire list is to be thanked for that, not just us. I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back to the fold. I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at this stage in my development. I do get a lot from being able to watch the success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest once I get settled somewhere. However, what really keeps me coming back is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often than I post disagreement, It's only worth doing if it adds something, right? I do learn something. Yes! Lots! That's what this is all about, IMHO. Yes, I think so, and I also think that it goes somewhere. I think it's important. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever List owner Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Ah yes, But the bible also states that your righteousness is as filthy rags. This passage is in the new testament and I'll have to look up the exact reference later. Righteousness and Religion don't count for anything. But before I further this thought you must first be a believer in God (by whatever name you call him). If you don't believe then what's the point. But if you do believe then you must certainly recall some scriptures. I read some post that stated that God did not intend for religion to be "organized". But he most certainly did. In the old testament there is scripture reference stating "forsake not the gathering together of yourselves as the manner of some is..." meaning that people of faith should assemble together. And why should we gather together? As is stated in the new testament "Faith is built from faith to faith.." which is to say that we increase in both knowledge and understanding by gathering together, much as we do here in the befoul list. We share our knowledge, gain understanding, and encourage one another. The apostle Paul also stated that things should be done in "order" regarding the gathering together. Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to gather together. No one can argue that much of the so called Christian community today is filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many people seeking to put forward a good face to mask their evil deeds. The scripture also states "..that where good is, evil is also present..". I agree that most of what exist of religious organizations today is either a cult or cult like but not all. I will always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because I believe that there is always some good to be found within the bad (speaking of people). Our challenge today is to find someone in which we can gather together with who is indeed seeking after God and his will in our lives that we can increase our faith through association with their faith. And what if you don't believe as I believe? It doesn't matter to me. I can't save you anyway. Save you (the non-believer) from what? It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will still pray to my God that he bless you and your house and that we may all live in peace and that we can learn to live as equals on this planet. And I can share my efforts with my neighbors (of various faiths) to bring equity to the world starting with my neighbors. None of my neighbors share the same faith but we do share this planet and I hope that we can learn together how to reap, replenish and restore what this earth has for us. May God bless you all, Best wishes, Tim Romans 2:14-15 Luc - Original Message - To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > >> Christopher: >> God is not as illogical as religion would put Him. According to the >> Bible, >> even persons who never knew of God but do the right(good)thing ARE >> righteous >> regardless. >> > Christopher, > > I know of some suggestion of this in the Bible, but am unsure of where it > is explicitly stated. Do you have a reference? Thanks. > > Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Yes this is all true. And we pay 1/3 of what we SHOULD be paying for fuel. And yes Halliburton... Or as I like to call it, THE Hallibushcheneyburton Corporation is getting rich big time. Plus the speculation drove up crude prices so all the oil companies are getting rich right now as cost of production is still around 18$ per barrel and they are selling it at 45? Texaco's PROFITS were up 300% last quarter. Appears all ENGINEERED to me. But see you CAN'T run a GIANT military on solar panels. The US generals are complicit with this as well, as they use HUGE amounts of energy every day. So this was a strategic military move to secure future supply and make sure NO ONE ELSE switched to the EURO for oil dollars. Period mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) G'day Mel; If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced? Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline. mel Are you seriously suggesting that had not the USA bombed the crap out of a sovereign nation that proved to be no threat to the US at all that it would have resulted in higher fuel costs at home ? In fact it is exactly the opposite. Had the US left things well enough alone (a first) there would still be oil flowing out of Iraq (under the rip-off oil-for-food thing) instead of the zero production that is happening now (regardless of what CNN is telling you) and world prices would not have taken the roller coaster ride they have since the atrocity began. That said however, your point about dumping the remaining vestiges of the US economy into war instead of responsible management has had a very negative effect. The bilions thrown away incuring the contempt of the world could have been much much better utilized insecuring alternatives at home at a time when it is most needed. Ah, but then Halliburton, Carlyle et co woudln't be getting near the high level profits that they are, and the folks over at Diebold, the manufacturers of the hackable voting machines, wouldn't have gotten that big contract poviding machines with which to defraud the election as it wouldn't have been encessary to rig it, responsible management being able to "win" the election all on it's own with out cheating. So,after all, it was necessary to invade, slaughter the thousands of innocents, polute the air and ground for decades to come so that corporate America could ship their operations off-shore while continuing to reap on-shore dividends from the people most able to provide it, the US government and it's neo-con handlers. Had they stuck to slolar panels and alternative solutions they wouldn't NEED $5/gal gas, they would be able to run without it. Besides, Canada supplies more crude to the US that Saudi does. Canada also sends over 60% of it's natural gas to the US under NAFTA. The problem is US consumption, not availability. Luc -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) Crimson Bill wrote: > I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? > > I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel > action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into > camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much to the people who frequent this group. You will notice after being here awhile that people like Todd and I can completely disagree on some issue, yet remain civil and respectful toward one another. We can learn about a wide range of perspectives in an international forum of this nature, some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it more tangential. > How about some biofuel? We've been around this block many times, Bill. The discussion here often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and inevitably someone complains about "off topic" posting. This may be well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view a little bit and understand why this discussion is relevant to biofuels. My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive energy policy. What drives American actions in the present administration is a pressing need to secure a variety of "traditional" (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources so that a single problem in some distant part of the world does not hold the American economy hostage. For this reason
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
- Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) G'day Mel; If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced? Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline. mel Are you seriously suggesting that had not the USA bombed the crap out of a sovereign nation that proved to be no threat to the US at all that it would have resulted in higher fuel costs at home ? In fact it is exactly the opposite. Had the US left things well enough alone (a first) there would still be oil flowing out of Iraq (under the rip-off oil-for-food thing) instead of the zero production that is happening now (regardless of what CNN is telling you) and world prices would not have taken the roller coaster ride they have since the atrocity began. That said however, your point about dumping the remaining vestiges of the US economy into war instead of responsible management has had a very negative effect. The bilions thrown away incuring the contempt of the world could have been much much better utilized insecuring alternatives at home at a time when it is most needed. Ah, but then Halliburton, Carlyle et co woudln't be getting near the high level profits that they are, and the folks over at Diebold, the manufacturers of the hackable voting machines, wouldn't have gotten that big contract poviding machines with which to defraud the election as it wouldn't have been encessary to rig it, responsible management being able to "win" the election all on it's own with out cheating. So,after all, it was necessary to invade, slaughter the thousands of innocents, polute the air and ground for decades to come so that corporate America could ship their operations off-shore while continuing to reap on-shore dividends from the people most able to provide it, the US government and it's neo-con handlers. Had they stuck to slolar panels and alternative solutions they wouldn't NEED $5/gal gas, they would be able to run without it. Besides, Canada supplies more crude to the US that Saudi does. Canada also sends over 60% of it's natural gas to the US under NAFTA. The problem is US consumption, not availability. Luc -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) Crimson Bill wrote: I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much to the people who frequent this group. You will notice after being here awhile that people like Todd and I can completely disagree on some issue, yet remain civil and respectful toward one another. We can learn about a wide range of perspectives in an international forum of this nature, some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it more tangential. How about some biofuel? We've been around this block many times, Bill. The discussion here often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and inevitably someone complains about "off topic" posting. This may be well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view a little bit and understand why this discussion is relevant to biofuels. My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive energy policy. What drives American actions in the present administration is a pressing need to secure a variety of "traditional" (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources so that a single problem in some distant part of the world does not hold the American economy hostage. For this reason, we have meddled into the affairs of central Asian nations, Africa, South America and Iraq. (And this is the root of our opposition to the Kyoto Accord.) Therefore, the recent discussion in this forum about hyping the terror threat relates to biofuels. Without an "enemy" upon which to direct our angst, Americans might wake up and realize that we need a plan that is more sensible and responsible than the "market driven" ideas we have pursued so relentlessly since I've been an adult. Coupled with this, a blind following of "Christian" dispensationalists demand absolute allegiance to their "plan" for Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Using the cloak of religion, these people have hijacked many influential churches in North America and brainwashed nonthinking Christians (is there such a thing?) into supporting Israel at all costs; including the use of American military forces to subdue a certain Middle Eastern dictator whose armed forces presente
RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
I would like to put an ... Ahemm... Amen on this one Go robert go. If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced? Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline. And MAYBE some of us huge wasters of energy MAY NOT be able to DRIVER everywhere. Bet we wouldn’t have as many fat people here. Ever watch the REALLY FAT ones at the grocery store? They will circle the parking lot 14 times all to get a space 20 feet closer to the door. Where is the god in that? mel -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) Crimson Bill wrote: > I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? > > I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel > action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into > camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much to the people who frequent this group. You will notice after being here awhile that people like Todd and I can completely disagree on some issue, yet remain civil and respectful toward one another. We can learn about a wide range of perspectives in an international forum of this nature, some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it more tangential. > How about some biofuel? We've been around this block many times, Bill. The discussion here often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and inevitably someone complains about "off topic" posting. This may be well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view a little bit and understand why this discussion is relevant to biofuels. My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive energy policy. What drives American actions in the present administration is a pressing need to secure a variety of "traditional" (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources so that a single problem in some distant part of the world does not hold the American economy hostage. For this reason, we have meddled into the affairs of central Asian nations, Africa, South America and Iraq. (And this is the root of our opposition to the Kyoto Accord.) Therefore, the recent discussion in this forum about hyping the terror threat relates to biofuels. Without an "enemy" upon which to direct our angst, Americans might wake up and realize that we need a plan that is more sensible and responsible than the "market driven" ideas we have pursued so relentlessly since I've been an adult. Coupled with this, a blind following of "Christian" dispensationalists demand absolute allegiance to their "plan" for Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Using the cloak of religion, these people have hijacked many influential churches in North America and brainwashed nonthinking Christians (is there such a thing?) into supporting Israel at all costs; including the use of American military forces to subdue a certain Middle Eastern dictator whose armed forces presented no credible threat to the United States. The recent discussion concerning religion relates directly to this problem. (And trust me, mine is a VERY unpopular position to hold within a conservative Christian congregation.) As a devoted Christian, I am deeply troubled by the misuse of my faith; particularly when the actions of a supposedly Christian president directly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ. As an American, I am seething at the injustice we are projecting upon citizens in other parts of the world. The root of my nation's problem is its insatiable demand for energy, yet formal discussion of this issue is happening NOWHERE outside of this forum. Therefore, any topic related to reducing energy use, including religious discussion, is fair game in this forum. Those have been the rules around here for a very long time. I hope you come to appreciate them. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 __
RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Wow, Elvis knows a little about god. Bet he is into BioFuel too! For those folk looking for some decent trucks that are diesel powered. There are a few nice ones on ebay right now about to go pretty cheap. Mostly older chevies with 6.2's in them. mel -Original Message- From: Crimson Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) I dressed as Elvis to my Uncle Harry's wedding because Uncle Harry was so damm cool. The preacher threw me out. Said I was sacreligeous. I looked at him and said, "I bet you can't dance." and left. I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. You know it as well as I do. How about some biofuel? Bill - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > If you don’t titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is > relevant. > > It's all in the doing, not in the religion. > > All religions can get you to god, if "titrated" correctly. > > Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line > right? > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) Hey Luc, I think that you and I arrived here about the same time, and your progress has certainly been much faster than mine. Perhaps has more to do with available freetime eh? I only work at what I do somewhat part-time and have three day weekends every wekk and some available time during some of the days in between, so time is something I have. I had been looking into the possibility of moving to Beijing, but put this thought on hold for a number of personal reasons. My alternate was a move to California, which I had expected to hapen much more quickly than it has. We are finally in the process of packing, and will be leaving Indiana for Northern CA 30 days from today. You, of sourse, know that Northern Cal is evey bit as snowed in as Indiana eh? Tahoe is a shi resort :-) Donner pass on I-80 is a winter nightmare at times, so if that is the way you are going check about the pass when you get to Reno NV. Once over the hill (!) and down the slope some summer set in and you wonder where winter went. It's weird. I was once stuck in Reno for a couple days as the Donner was closed due to snow storms, and the 42 mile downhill into Sacramento afterwards was interesting. With all of the uncertainty, I have left the processor parts that I had collected sit until knowing where we were going to end up. I have also decided to scrap my original processor idea in favor of your processor in a cabinet, once I do start building. You don't have to go for 135 liter, you can down size it to better meet your camouflage needs (oops, did I say that?ha!) Once the doors on it and a colouful blanket tossed over it you would think it is a wardrobe of sorts. If done right you can slide pails under the platform as well as a small pre-heat tank, close the doors and voila ! What BD processor ? I can't see any fuel making devices ! Ha! Go get 'em ! You can do it. If I can anyone can, believe me. I am going to start out renting, and will not have the garage space or benefits that come from owning that I currently enjoy. Your ideas seem to fit in perfectly with the situation to which I am going, however. And that was the original idea for it's design. I was at first extremely limited in the amount of available space and that forced some idea crunching, necessity being the mother of invention and all that, and "The Box" was born. I am not sure if I ever thanked you for sharing them with the rest of us. You just did. Immitation is the sincerest form of flatery. I do hope that this idea with help you make something that is both compact and functional for your needs. Glad I was able to be a help. Once I get moved I will keep you informed of my progress. Yes, please do. Not only that but now progress is expected of you (having made such bold statements ha!), so have at it. Don't rush though, take it one step at a time, and you will get there sooner that way. Enjoy your new digs. Luc Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Happy new year to all our group member
understand this. I love this place. Keep it on-list if pertinent and only off if it is personal :) Sera, para mi, un alegria comunicar con vosotros en privado pero es mejor escribir para la edificacion de todos aqui. Hehe, not too too shabu eh? Luc - Original Message - From: "Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: RES: [Biofuel] Happy new year to all our group member Bom dia, Pannir, Gostaria de lhe desejar um happy new year tambm. Prefere se comunicar em portugus ou ingls? Gostaria de pedir suas dicas sobre biodiesel no Brasil. Se importa de comunicar comigo? Obrigado, e um abrao, Daniel Vasconcelos em So Paulo -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nome de Pannir P.V Enviada em: Friday, December 24, 2004 5:15 PM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: [Biofuel] Happy new year to all our group member Hpapy new year -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news
Practical, as always Todd. That's how I feel about my Benz. It's "old" (1983), it has a few nicks and nacks, some rust but the engine and frame are solid. It's 460,000km isn't even an issue. 4 speed, 4 cylender diesel putt putt car. Altogether I have about $7,000.00 CDN in it, and it will outlive any 40-50,000$ Ford out there coming off the assembly today. Am I ahead of the game ? I can still go another $10,000 and still be WAY ahead. I can have brand new paint, new wiring and some bells and whistles for less than that and will only need to wait another 300,000km or so before changing the sleeves and injectors so I can do the million all over again. So why was it I need a Hybrid ? Nice idea for those who want to spend that way, but I am not one of them. Luc - Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news Funny, this: The US EPA fuel economy rating for the vehicle (with 5-speed automatic transmission) is 29 mpg (8.11 l/100 km) in the city and 37 mpg (6.35 l/100 km) on the highway. The Accord Hybrid has a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $29,990. A person can rebuild/restore a near death '85 VW Golf or Jetta diesel (that's suspension, engine, tranny, clutch, weatherstripping and paint) for around $6,000 US and get 50-52 mpg - on petroleum diesel, biodiesel or both. I believe I'd rather put the $24,000 savings against me mortgage than in an automaker's "clutches." Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ More hybrid technology news + Honda debuts Accord Hybrid in the US market Honda has launched its biggest hybrid car, the 2005 Accord Hybrid. The Accord Hybrid comes with the third generation of Honda's hybrid system, in combination with the new Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) cylinder deactivation technology, which shuts down three of the six cylinders while cruising. The vehicle generates 255 hp, 6% more than the Accord V-6 Sedan, with "a remarkably broad and flat torque curve," said Honda. The US EPA fuel economy rating for the vehicle (with 5-speed automatic transmission) is 29 mpg (8.11 l/100 km) in the city and 37 mpg (6.35 l/100 km) on the highway. The Accord Hybrid has a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $29,990. The hybrid is similarly equipped to the conventional Honda Accord EX V-6, which comes with an MSRP of $26,700. Based on that comparison, the price premium for the hybrid propulsion system is about $3,290. http://hondanews.com/CatID2128?mid=2004121041348&mime=asc + Dodge RAM hybrid enters production DaimlerChrysler has begun limited production of the Dodge Ram Diesel hybrid electric vehicle (HEV), which will be available to fleet customers. The Dodge Ram Diesel HEV is built on the Ram Heavy Duty (2500/3500) chassis, features the 5.9 liter 325 hp, 600 lb-ft Cummins Turbo Diesel, and is equipped with diesel-electric hybrid propulsion. An integrated starter-alternator unit provides a start-stop capability, which shuts the engine off at full stop and restarts when the accelerator is pressed. It also assists the diesel engine during acceleration. A regenerative braking system helps recharge the batteries. The saving on fuel is up to 15%. http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/SD7DEV/GMS/TEMPLATES/GMS_PRESS_RELEA SE/0,2941,0-1-62035-1-1-text-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html + Hybrid buses not delivering fuel economy According to press reports, hybrid diesel electric buses purchased by Seattle, WA, have not delivered their anticipated fuel economy improvement. The hybrids were expected to save up to 40% of fuel, but the fuel economy in the first months of real operation was comparable to that of conventional diesels. The King County Metro has purchased 235 60-foot articulated buses featuring the GM's Allison hybrid drive system. At this time, the transit agency has the largest fleet of hybrid buses in the world. In September, the hybrids were getting only a disappointing 3.75 mpg. At times, the hybrid buses had worse mileage than the 1989 buses they were replacing. One of the possible reasons is that the hybrids were operated on suburban express routes with large proportion of highway mileage, where little fuel economy advantage exists. The fuel efficiency of hybrid buses is well pronounced in stop-and-go applications, such as in urban driving. This is another indication that the fuel economy of hybrid vehicles is extremely sensitive to the test cycle, much more so than the fuel economy in conventional powertrains. The fuel saving with hybrids is due to energy management in the powertrain, rather than to improved thermal efficiency of the e
RE: [Biofuel] Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to yourPre-heat tank or reactor.
Aquatic eco systems sell graded stainless steel screen for filters. You can get several sizes down to 50 microns? I think you can find the SS screen on their website, though I have a catalogue. mel -Original Message- From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to yourPre-heat tank or reactor. Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to your Pre-heat tank or reactor. I found a solution to filter the WVO before adding it to my Processor. *** Take two (or three) 5 Gallon round drywall buckets and cut the bottoms from both. ( I used a jig saw with no problem) If the buckets have sealed lids, cut the lids out as well. Bucket A: Wrap a 28"x 28" or so, (fiberglass) mesh window screen around the bottom and side leaving no gaps. Pay attention to conforming the screening to the bottom and don't worry too much about the bucket sides as the screening will crease. Install Bucket A into Bucket B. This will hold the filter (screen) in place. Slide a 2"x4", or pipe through the handle to support the filter bucket over your preheat tank and pump or pour your WVO. I imagine you can add a third bucket to the design with a smaller or larger micron filtration, but the window mesh was sufficient. Thank you, Kevin Shea ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Hey Luc, > > Feeding off each others' success and failures as well drives things > forward. > Need somethng mobile until you get "settled" ? There are ideas that can be > "played" with on the processors page at JtF. You got a small trailer you > can > pull with a vehicle ? Sounds like a mobile BD lab to me :-) > I think that you and I arrived here about the same time, and your progress has certainly been much faster than mine. I had been looking into the possibility of moving to Beijing, but put this thought on hold for a number of personal reasons. My alternate was a move to California, which I had expected to hapen much more quickly than it has. We are finally in the process of packing, and will be leaving Indiana for Northern CA 30 days from today. With all of the uncertainty, I have left the processor parts that I had collected sit until knowing where we were going to end up. I have also decided to scrap my original processor idea in favor of your processor in a cabinet, once I do start building. I am going to start out renting, and will not have the garage space or benefits that come from owning that I currently enjoy. Your ideas seem to fit in perfectly with the situation to which I am going, however. I am not sure if I ever thanked you for sharing them with the rest of us. Once I get moved I will keep you informed of my progress. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RES: [Biofuel] Happy new year to all our group member
Bom dia, Pannir, Gostaria de lhe desejar um happy new year tambm. Prefere se comunicar em portugus ou ingls? Gostaria de pedir suas dicas sobre biodiesel no Brasil. Se importa de comunicar comigo? Obrigado, e um abrao, Daniel Vasconcelos em So Paulo -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nome de Pannir P.V Enviada em: Friday, December 24, 2004 5:15 PM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: [Biofuel] Happy new year to all our group member Hpapy new year -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Something strange in the last batch of FAME
you keeping your shop warm in that -14 C Finland? Johnsson Tomas wrote: Hello All, Something strange was happening with the last batch. There is probably something additional in the SWO. The oil never cleared after heated and the water was removed (+55¡C). Still there was no worry as it has been seen before. The titration was OK (2,5g+3,5g) and everything went smoth and the glycerine was removed after fallen out. The glycerine was dark but not very thick, still no worry. We are using approx 22-25 % metanol in the transesterification. The Ester was cloudy and never cleared after the 2 and 3rd wash and it seams that there is some water or metanol still trapped in the ester. We have been reheating the Ester to 60¡C and after heating passing it through our small separator (alfie). Moisture is dropping out when separated (the moisture is approx. ph 8) but the Ester is still keeping something in it as it is cloudy and it can be seen that there is something in the ester. The transesterification was current and all the glycerine removed as the separatore is else no t! keeping the ester from the water, emulsifying and making chicken soup. In the SWO we had a small part of a used biohydraulic oil which is based on a ester which might have affect the process, we also accidentaly had a very small part of used mineralmotoroil escaping into the SWO. Our next idea is to heat the Ester to over 80¡C to remove possible metanol and after that to over 100¡C to remove possible water. While working on this what might the next step be in trying to solv the very intersting problem if the hetaing is not doing the thing. Is there any easy way of finding out what the Ester might keep trapped and is there some way of purifying the ester from chemical contaminations? Thanks in advance for all suggestions which might help solving our very interesting case. Best regards from a -14¡C Finland Tomas Johnsson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news
The US EPA fuel economy rating for the vehicle (with 5-speed automatic transmission) is 29 mpg (8.11 l/100 km) in the city and 37 mpg (6.35 l/100 km) on the highway. The Accord Hybrid has a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $29,990. A person can rebuild/restore a near death '85 VW Golf or Jetta diesel (that's suspension, engine, tranny, clutch, weatherstripping and paint) for around $6,000 US and get 50-52 mpg - on petroleum diesel, biodiesel or both. I believe I'd rather put the $24,000 savings against me mortgage than in an automaker's "clutches." Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ More hybrid technology news + Honda debuts Accord Hybrid in the US market Honda has launched its biggest hybrid car, the 2005 Accord Hybrid. The Accord Hybrid comes with the third generation of Honda's hybrid system, in combination with the new Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) cylinder deactivation technology, which shuts down three of the six cylinders while cruising. The vehicle generates 255 hp, 6% more than the Accord V-6 Sedan, with "a remarkably broad and flat torque curve," said Honda. The US EPA fuel economy rating for the vehicle (with 5-speed automatic transmission) is 29 mpg (8.11 l/100 km) in the city and 37 mpg (6.35 l/100 km) on the highway. The Accord Hybrid has a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $29,990. The hybrid is similarly equipped to the conventional Honda Accord EX V-6, which comes with an MSRP of $26,700. Based on that comparison, the price premium for the hybrid propulsion system is about $3,290. http://hondanews.com/CatID2128?mid=2004121041348&mime=asc + Dodge RAM hybrid enters production DaimlerChrysler has begun limited production of the Dodge Ram Diesel hybrid electric vehicle (HEV), which will be available to fleet customers. The Dodge Ram Diesel HEV is built on the Ram Heavy Duty (2500/3500) chassis, features the 5.9 liter 325 hp, 600 lb-ft Cummins Turbo Diesel, and is equipped with diesel-electric hybrid propulsion. An integrated starter-alternator unit provides a start-stop capability, which shuts the engine off at full stop and restarts when the accelerator is pressed. It also assists the diesel engine during acceleration. A regenerative braking system helps recharge the batteries. The saving on fuel is up to 15%. http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/SD7DEV/GMS/TEMPLATES/GMS_PRESS_RELEA SE/0,2941,0-1-62035-1-1-text-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html + Hybrid buses not delivering fuel economy According to press reports, hybrid diesel electric buses purchased by Seattle, WA, have not delivered their anticipated fuel economy improvement. The hybrids were expected to save up to 40% of fuel, but the fuel economy in the first months of real operation was comparable to that of conventional diesels. The King County Metro has purchased 235 60-foot articulated buses featuring the GM's Allison hybrid drive system. At this time, the transit agency has the largest fleet of hybrid buses in the world. In September, the hybrids were getting only a disappointing 3.75 mpg. At times, the hybrid buses had worse mileage than the 1989 buses they were replacing. One of the possible reasons is that the hybrids were operated on suburban express routes with large proportion of highway mileage, where little fuel economy advantage exists. The fuel efficiency of hybrid buses is well pronounced in stop-and-go applications, such as in urban driving. This is another indication that the fuel economy of hybrid vehicles is extremely sensitive to the test cycle, much more so than the fuel economy in conventional powertrains. The fuel saving with hybrids is due to energy management in the powertrain, rather than to improved thermal efficiency of the engine, and can be realized only under transient driving patterns. Fuel economy predictions for hybrids in real life applications are indeed very difficult. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/203509_metro13.html + Hybrid buses coming to Pittsburgh Pittsburgh will receive six Gillig hybrid buses, which use the GM Allison hybrid system. The buses are scheduled to be delivered in late 2004 or early 2005. The purchase was made possible by a $6.6 million grant from the US Department of Transportation, which will also finance 14 additional conventional coaches for the Port Authority of Allegheny County's bus system. The operation of the new hybrids will help determine the future propulsion system for Port Authority's fleet. http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/pittsburgh/s_286248.h tml + Azure delivers hybrid electric vehicle to Purolator Burnaby, BC-based Azure Dynamics Corporation delivered a hybrid electric delivery vehicle to Purolator
Re: [Biofuel] Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO toyourPre-heat tank or reactor.
Whatever works is right! Finally, a solution I did not have to spent $$$ and was able to use "spare parts" lying around the house! -KS - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO toyourPre-heat tank or reactor. > G'day Kevin; > > I did it a bit differently but the same principle. I use only 22 liter pails > for collection and storage of WVO. I came across a 20 liter paint pail which > has the same body dimensions as the 22 liter so I cut off the bottom leaving > about 1/2 of the pail intact, strapped the screening mesh over the top of > the now half pint pail and secured it around the edges with grapple bar, > allowing the mesh to droop into the center of the pail. This half pail is > then placed inside the rim of the 22 liter pail and just sits there pretty > as you please and I filter my heated WVO that way. Whatever works eh ? > Luc > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Shea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:25 AM > Subject: [Biofuel] Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to > yourPre-heat tank or reactor. > > > Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to your Pre-heat tank or > reactor. > > I found a solution to filter the WVO before adding it to my Processor. > > *** > > Take two (or three) 5 Gallon round drywall buckets and cut the bottoms from > both. ( I used a jig saw with no problem) If the buckets have sealed lids, > cut the lids out as well. > > Bucket A: Wrap a 28"x 28" or so, (fiberglass) mesh window screen around the > bottom and side leaving no gaps. Pay attention to conforming the screening > to the bottom and don't worry too much about the bucket sides as the > screening will crease. > > Install Bucket A into Bucket B. This will hold the filter (screen) in > place. > > Slide a 2"x4", or pipe through the handle to support the filter bucket over > your preheat tank and pump or pour your WVO. > > I imagine you can add a third bucket to the design with a smaller or larger > micron filtration, but the window mesh was sufficient. > > > Thank you, > Kevin Shea > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Something strange in the last batch of FAME
Dear Tomas, Have you read the link from Journey to Forever? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html The writer gives an excellent overview of a 2-Step process for EXPERTS only. He talks about how "esterification" as a first step when combine with "transesterferication" gives you the results you are seeking. There is also another discussion on being very accurate when measuring pH in the titration process. Finally, the discussion talks about how the tranesterferication process is more like 99% and always hard to reach 100%. I don't claim to be an expert, I am trying to learn by reading and answering questions before I make my batch. --- Johnsson Tomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All, > > Something strange was happening with the last batch. > There is probably something additional in the SWO. > The oil never cleared after heated and the water was > removed (+55°C). Still there was no worry as it has > been seen before. The titration was OK (2,5g+3,5g) > and everything went smoth and the glycerine was > removed after fallen out. The glycerine was dark but > not very thick, still no worry. We are using approx > 22-25 % metanol in the transesterification. The > Ester was cloudy and never cleared after the 2 and > 3rd wash and it seams that there is some water or > metanol still trapped in the ester. We have been > reheating the Ester to 60°C and after heating > passing it through our small separator (alfie). > Moisture is dropping out when separated (the > moisture is approx. ph 8) but the Ester is still > keeping something in it as it is cloudy and it can > be seen that there is something in the ester. The > transesterification was current and all the > glycerine removed as the separatore is else not > keeping the ester from the water, emulsifying and > making chicken soup. > > In the SWO we had a small part of a used > biohydraulic oil which is based on a ester which > might have affect the process, we also accidentaly > had a very small part of used mineralmotoroil > escaping into the SWO. > > Our next idea is to heat the Ester to over 80°C to > remove possible metanol and after that to over 100°C > to remove possible water. > > While working on this what might the next step be in > trying to solv the very intersting problem if the > hetaing is not doing the thing. > > Is there any easy way of finding out what the Ester > might keep trapped and is there some way of > purifying the ester from chemical contaminations? > > Thanks in advance for all suggestions which might > help solving our very interesting case. > > Best regards from a -14°C Finland > > Tomas Johnsson > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy
John, Good points. I looked at the list of Commissioners and it is there where you can find part of the story. Most of the Comissioners are policy makers not industry veterans. For example, I don't see any real biofuel refiners or refining background. There is a guy from ConocoPhillips but that company is a "minor" compared to the majors. Also, methinks the reason for little wording on hydrogen fuel is that most of the hydrogen fuel will be coming from the process of cracking and byproduct of natural gas resulting from traditional petroleum refining. Little discussion is paid to the all important "distribution" of the new renewable products. More importantly, I don't see any big incentives for the "distribution" portion of the business. For exampole, Indepedent owner-operators of C-Stores and Gas Stations are already looking at solar, biofuels, energy efficiency and getting away from traditional petroleums. The problem is that these family owned independents operate on a thin profit margins with an average of 10-20 C-Store Gas Stations. The cost-benefit of switching to a new renewable fuel is easy to say by the Commisisoners but in practice a much more difficult proposition. I would advocate for more incentives pointed at the marketing and distribution of new renewables and technologies - this is called the "downstream" activity. I would also advocate for incentives for people such as the biofuel industry and refining or "upstream" activities. In many ways this is already being done with traditional petroleum in the U.S. Did you know that at least 40% of the cost of a gallon of passenger gasoline is a State and Federal Tax? And did you know that most of those taxes are NOT earmarked for renewables, such as biodiesel, smart growth, alternative transportation? As my buddy Paul Stevens at Hewlett-Packard said, "The poop is always in the detail, and that is where you find the cause of the poop." My three cents worth. --- John Mullan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK. So what is new here? Seems like the panel was > a complete waste of > money to "recommend" things we already know > need/should be done! > > What worries me most is that money keeps getting > spent on "reports" instead > of "implementing". > > OK, that was my 2cents worth. > > John > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Keith Addison > Sent: December 28, 2004 12:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US > energy strategy > > > DieselNet > December 2004 > http://www.dieselnet.com/ > > Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy > > The report calls for incentives to increase global > oil production, > recommends to increase domestic vehicle fuel > economy, and to increase > investment in alternative fuels. The climate change > plan would limit > greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, but a cost cap for > doing so would be > established. Incentives should be also provided for > low- and non- > carbon sources like natural gas, renewable energy, > nuclear energy, > and advanced coal technologies with carbon capture > and sequestration. > > Among many detailed recommendations, the report > supports domestic > production of advanced diesel and hybrid vehicles. > The Commission > concluded that a combination of improved > conventional gasoline > technologies and advanced hybrid-electric and diesel > technologies can > significantly increase fuel economy without > sacrificing size, power, > or safety. > > http://www.energycommission.org/ > Download report: > http://www.energycommission.org/ewebeditpro/items/O82F4682.pdf > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who >put effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang >out. It is most definetly a collective effort, and all parts of that effort makes this list so stimulating. I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back to the fold. I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at this stage in my development. Without the JtF site (and this list) I never could have done anything that remotely resembles what I have been able to accomplish, so yes, it is a treasure house well worth investigating. I do get a lot from being able to watch the success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest once I get settled somewhere. Feeding off each others' success and failures as well drives things forward. Need somethng mobile until you get "settled" ? There are ideas that can be "played" with on the processors page at JtF. You got a small trailer you can pull with a vehicle ? Sounds like a mobile BD lab to me :-) However, what really keeps me coming back is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often than I post disagreement, I do learn something. That's what this is all about, IMHO. A wise person learns from his mistakes, a wiser person still learns from the mistakes of others. The point is, to learn something, and here you have no problem doing that.IMHO too:) Luc Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to yourPre-heat tank or reactor.
I did it a bit differently but the same principle. I use only 22 liter pails for collection and storage of WVO. I came across a 20 liter paint pail which has the same body dimensions as the 22 liter so I cut off the bottom leaving about 1/2 of the pail intact, strapped the screening mesh over the top of the now half pint pail and secured it around the edges with grapple bar, allowing the mesh to droop into the center of the pail. This half pail is then placed inside the rim of the 22 liter pail and just sits there pretty as you please and I filter my heated WVO that way. Whatever works eh ? Luc - Original Message - From: "Kevin Shea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to yourPre-heat tank or reactor. Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to your Pre-heat tank or reactor. I found a solution to filter the WVO before adding it to my Processor. *** Take two (or three) 5 Gallon round drywall buckets and cut the bottoms from both. ( I used a jig saw with no problem) If the buckets have sealed lids, cut the lids out as well. Bucket A: Wrap a 28"x 28" or so, (fiberglass) mesh window screen around the bottom and side leaving no gaps. Pay attention to conforming the screening to the bottom and don't worry too much about the bucket sides as the screening will crease. Install Bucket A into Bucket B. This will hold the filter (screen) in place. Slide a 2"x4", or pipe through the handle to support the filter bucket over your preheat tank and pump or pour your WVO. I imagine you can add a third bucket to the design with a smaller or larger micron filtration, but the window mesh was sufficient. Thank you, Kevin Shea ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Volkswagen recalls 290,000 diesel cars
> Isn't that special. Those wouldn't be those TDI fuel pumps that are BD > unfriendly would they ? It weren't broke but they just had to fix it > anyway, > and now it is broke for sure. Dumb. > Luc My question is whether the "fixed" pump will be biodiesel friendly, and whether this fix will appear on new VWs. My Beetle TDI will be going to my daughter in about 9 months, and I will need a new form of transportation. At this point, my thinking is to get one of the famous Mercedes wagons for a daily driver. However, with a new baby on the way and all, my significant other wants something "modern" and "reliable" to drive, so I was thinking of another TDI for her vehicle. If it ain't going to be biodiesel friendly, though, I'll have to reconsider. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
> Greetings, > > As a long time member of the biofuels list, [I took a break then came > back] > I have found this list to be different, very different. We can discuss > differences and not fight! We do not divide into camps and start wars. > We > came to learn from each other and we do learn, not just biofuels. It is a > joy to have a place where different spiritualities can be discussed. No > one is saying you must believe as I believe. Different people have been > kind enough to share what they believe or live. My thanks to all who have > done so. > > Bright Blessings, > Kim I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who put effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang out. I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back to the fold. I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at this stage in my development. I do get a lot from being able to watch the success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest once I get settled somewhere. However, what really keeps me coming back is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often than I post disagreement, I do learn something. That's what this is all about, IMHO. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Volkswagen recalls 290,000 diesel cars
unfriendly would they ? It weren't broke but they just had to fix it anyway, and now it is broke for sure. Dumb. Luc - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Volkswagen recalls 290,000 diesel cars DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Volkswagen recalls 290,000 diesel cars Volkswagen recalled 290,000 diesel cars worldwide, due to fuel injection system problems that could lead to a fuel leakage, according to Reuters. The recall includes VW, Audi, Seat and Skoda cars equipped with dual-valve, 1.2, 1.4, and 1.9-liter engines, manufactured from March to August 2004. In the US market, diesel fuel pumps that can potentially develop leaks will be replaced in an estimated 19,284 Golf, Jetta, Beetle and Passat vehicles. The recall is expected to begin in February 2005. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=7052851 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=7170111 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
As a long time member of the biofuels list, [I took a break then came back] I have found this list to be different, very different. We can discuss differences and not fight! We do not divide into camps and start wars. We came to learn from each other and we do learn, not just biofuels. It is a joy to have a place where different spiritualities can be discussed. No one is saying you must believe as I believe. Different people have been kind enough to share what they believe or live. My thanks to all who have done so. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:10 PM 12/27/2004, you wrote: I dressed as Elvis to my Uncle Harry's wedding because Uncle Harry was so damm cool. The preacher threw me out. Said I was sacreligeous. I looked at him and said, "I bet you can't dance." and left. I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. You know it as well as I do. How about some biofuel? Bill - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > If you don't titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is relevant. > > It's all in the doing, not in the religion. > > All religions can get you to god, if "titrated" correctly. > > Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line right? > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to your Pre-heat tank or reactor.
Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to your Pre-heat tank or reactor. I found a solution to filter the WVO before adding it to my Processor. *** Take two (or three) 5 Gallon round drywall buckets and cut the bottoms from both. ( I used a jig saw with no problem) If the buckets have sealed lids, cut the lids out as well. Bucket A: Wrap a 28"x 28" or so, (fiberglass) mesh window screen around the bottom and side leaving no gaps. Pay attention to conforming the screening to the bottom and don't worry too much about the bucket sides as the screening will crease. Install Bucket A into Bucket B. This will hold the filter (screen) in place. Slide a 2"x4", or pipe through the handle to support the filter bucket over your preheat tank and pump or pour your WVO. I imagine you can add a third bucket to the design with a smaller or larger micron filtration, but the window mesh was sufficient. Thank you, Kevin Shea ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
It's the same delete button for everyone. You wandered into a discussion, not the first of it's kind, on your own, and should you so chose wander out the same way. Biofuels you say ?http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Nothing BUT biofuels. And once you have thouroughly assimilated all the information there and still have pertinent question you are more than welcomed to ask here. Your questions will be aswered. So far though, no question, only a critique of what others should be doing. You walk the way you want, however i shall do the same and I will not be "shut up" because you don't like it. Use the delete button, it's a very useful tool for managing things you are not interested in. The only "fighting " that ever develops is usually prompted by the "shut up about that subject I don't like it crowd". Like I said before, this isn't the first time this has come up and might not even be the last, so if censureship is what you want you might be disappointed. Respect reigns here, and anything else will not be tolerated, beit rom those who profess a certain religious faith or from those who do not. It is a community, and within that community there are divergeances of personal opinion, al the while in the quest for alternative energy solutions. No automatons, no subject cops, no censureship, only a cooperative effort binding people from several countries around the world into this one community. Many facets of that global environment are represented here and that is, in part, what makes it so much more interesting than the mono-boards found elsewhere; for those able to participate that is. You can learn mountains here, or not, but ultim,ately that decision will be yours. Luc - Original Message - From: "Crimson Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) I dressed as Elvis to my Uncle Harry's wedding because Uncle Harry was so damm cool. The preacher threw me out. Said I was sacreligeous. I looked at him and said, "I bet you can't dance." and left. I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. You know it as well as I do. How about some biofuel? Bill - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems If you don’t titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is relevant. It's all in the doing, not in the religion. All religions can get you to god, if "titrated" correctly. Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line right? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 3
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RE: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy
OK. So what is new here? Seems like the panel was a complete waste of money to "recommend" things we already know need/should be done! What worries me most is that money keeps getting spent on "reports" instead of "implementing". OK, that was my 2cents worth. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: December 28, 2004 12:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy The report calls for incentives to increase global oil production, recommends to increase domestic vehicle fuel economy, and to increase investment in alternative fuels. The climate change plan would limit greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, but a cost cap for doing so would be established. Incentives should be also provided for low- and non- carbon sources like natural gas, renewable energy, nuclear energy, and advanced coal technologies with carbon capture and sequestration. Among many detailed recommendations, the report supports domestic production of advanced diesel and hybrid vehicles. The Commission concluded that a combination of improved conventional gasoline technologies and advanced hybrid-electric and diesel technologies can significantly increase fuel economy without sacrificing size, power, or safety. http://www.energycommission.org/ Download report: http://www.energycommission.org/ewebeditpro/items/O82F4682.pdf ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Hi Robert ; Yes very well stated indeed. I would only add that there exist people with interesting and unique perspectives. As a list participant I appreciate the opportunity to be exposed to these perspectives and learn and also to post. No one knows everything. As long as we keep the subject line relevant to the post (shame on me too), un-interesting posts can just be deleted by the reader. Nothing lost. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Crimson Bill wrote: > > > I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice > the little g? > > > > I am walking the way I walk and am just looking > for some biofuel action. > > Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will > divide into camps and the > > fighting begins. Never fails. > > Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much > to the people who > frequent this group. You will notice after being > here awhile that > people like Todd and I can completely disagree on > some issue, yet > remain civil and respectful toward one another. We > can learn about a > wide range of perspectives in an international forum > of this nature, > some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it > more tangential. > > > > How about some biofuel? > > We've been around this block many times, Bill. The > discussion here > often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and > religion, and > inevitably someone complains about "off topic" > posting. This may be > well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view > a little bit and > understand why this discussion is relevant to > biofuels. > > My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive > and cohesive > energy policy. What drives American actions in the > present > administration is a pressing need to secure a > variety of "traditional" > (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources > so that a single > problem in some distant part of the world does not > hold the American > economy hostage. For this reason, we have meddled > into the affairs of > central Asian nations, Africa, South America and > Iraq. (And this is > the root of our opposition to the Kyoto Accord.) > Therefore, the > recent discussion in this forum about hyping the > terror threat relates > to biofuels. Without an "enemy" upon which to > direct our angst, > Americans might wake up and realize that we need a > plan that is more > sensible and responsible than the "market driven" > ideas we have > pursued so relentlessly since I've been an adult. > > Coupled with this, a blind following of "Christian" > > dispensationalists demand absolute allegiance to > their "plan" for > Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Using the > cloak of religion, > these people have hijacked many influential churches > in North America > and brainwashed nonthinking Christians (is there > such a thing?) into > supporting Israel at all costs; including the use of > American military > forces to subdue a certain Middle Eastern dictator > whose armed forces > presented no credible threat to the United States. > The recent > discussion concerning religion relates directly to > this problem. (And > trust me, mine is a VERY unpopular position to hold > within a > conservative Christian congregation.) > > As a devoted Christian, I am deeply troubled by the > misuse of my > faith; particularly when the actions of a supposedly > Christian > president directly contradict the teachings of Jesus > Christ. As an > American, I am seething at the injustice we are > projecting upon > citizens in other parts of the world. The root of > my nation's problem > is its insatiable demand for energy, yet formal > discussion of this > issue is happening NOWHERE outside of this forum. > > Therefore, any topic related to reducing energy > use, including > religious discussion, is fair game in this forum. > Those have been the > rules around here for a very long time. I hope you > come to appreciate > them. > > > > > robert luis rabello > "The Edge of Justice" > Adventure for Your Mind > http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> > > Ranger Supercharger Project Page > http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive
[Biofuel] Something strange in the last batch of FAME
Hello All, Something strange was happening with the last batch. There is probably something additional in the SWO. The oil never cleared after heated and the water was removed (+55¡C). Still there was no worry as it has been seen before. The titration was OK (2,5g+3,5g) and everything went smoth and the glycerine was removed after fallen out. The glycerine was dark but not very thick, still no worry. We are using approx 22-25 % metanol in the transesterification. The Ester was cloudy and never cleared after the 2 and 3rd wash and it seams that there is some water or metanol still trapped in the ester. We have been reheating the Ester to 60¡C and after heating passing it through our small separator (alfie). Moisture is dropping out when separated (the moisture is approx. ph 8) but the Ester is still keeping something in it as it is cloudy and it can be seen that there is something in the ester. The transesterification was current and all the glycerine removed as the separatore is else not keeping the ester from the water, emulsifying and making chicken soup. In the SWO we had a small part of a used biohydraulic oil which is based on a ester which might have affect the process, we also accidentaly had a very small part of used mineralmotoroil escaping into the SWO. Our next idea is to heat the Ester to over 80¡C to remove possible metanol and after that to over 100¡C to remove possible water. While working on this what might the next step be in trying to solv the very intersting problem if the hetaing is not doing the thing. Is there any easy way of finding out what the Ester might keep trapped and is there some way of purifying the ester from chemical contaminations? Thanks in advance for all suggestions which might help solving our very interesting case. Best regards from a -14¡C Finland Tomas Johnsson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windows warning
I beg to differ: Linux is not very prone to hacking at all. I do agree that it is advisable to upgrade security patches. Linux treats every section of the operating system as individual components. It is only a matter of performing an automatic update to load these changes. It is not even necessary to restart the computer! The majority of the security holes are found before they are able to be (ab)used, and often the holes are not really a problem for a home computer. BSD is more secure than Linux, due to its more conservative build. There are Linux distributions that are possibly better than BSD, but the average desktop system does not really need this level of security. M$ and other commercial software suppliers tend to gather all their patches together and offer a huge update at relatively long intervals. Until users upgrade all the vulnerabilities are available to hackers. Some users do not bother to upgrade, so remain vulnerable for considerable periods. This is possibly the reason why the hackers tend to attack these boxes, as with the quantity, and vulnerability they are easy targets. I have been using Mepis Linux for about 18 months. It is a really easy distribution to install, and as it is based on Debian, tends to be fairly bullet proof. Updates are automated, and are standard Debian packages. This computer sits behind an IPCop firewall. I doubt if I am ever likely to be hacked, because there are not very many holes available to enter. To my knowledge I have never been successfully attacked (but I have seen pages of entries on my firewall on some days, of attempted entry. I am not knocking M$ software: if you feel you are getting value for your hard earned money paying for overpriced software, that is good! I found that I was better using Linux, and adapting to the programmes rather than using Commercial software. (I use Open-Office, Gnucash accounting programme, QCad 2d CAD programme, etc, etc.) I do not need M$ compatibility now, except for M$ Office compatibility. OO manages M$ O files with minimal effort. I find Linux much easier to use than Windows now, and hate having to browse the Web at work now, where I can only open about 10 pages without the computer crawling or crashing. At home I have up to about 60 pages open at the one time with no noticeable degradation in performance. The other advantage I find is that I do not need to upgrade my computer very often. I am currently using an IBM P3/800, with 384M memory. I doubt that the current release of M$ Winblows would even run adequately on this hardware. regards Doug On Tuesday 28 December 2004 12:55, Mel Riser wrote: > ALL unpatched machines are vulnerable. Any unpatched computer can be taken > over so easy. > > Regardless of the OS Including Lunux. Expecially Linux. > > So it's not the OS but the person taking care of it. > > mel > > -Original Message- > From: DHAJOGLO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning > > On Monday, December 27, 2004 3:49 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > >Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:49:39 -0800 (PST) > >From: Kirk McLoren > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning > > > >The information carried enough credibility that the > >German government abandoned Microsoft. The replacement > >OS, Linux, also turned out to be cheaper to support. > > The German Government was wise (if this is true) not because of an > NSA/Microsoft hoax but rather that any savy programmer can gain access to > any given windows machine at about any given time due to many many inherant > flaws in the operating system. The shear quantity of exploits in the > Mickeysoft (as you put it) enables anyone (NSA including) to pretty much > take over any unpatched machine at will without conspiring ahead of time. > > >Doesn't sound too good for Mickeysoft. > > Hey now... I bet Disney would take offense to that... I prefer the more > degrading term of Microsux or Microsloth! hehe > > >I understand Bill Gates solution was to purchase more > >than 50% of Red Hat, a major distribution of Linux. > > > >Kirk > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cg
Re: [Biofuel] Windows warning
Well, I think this is a little early for April 1st. However, if true, another good reason to use Linux. regards Doug. (a Linux user for over 3 years: Long live open source!) On Monday 27 December 2004 7:01, bmolloy wrote: > Hi All, > Hmmm, didn't think I'd be posting twice in one session but this > one could be an important issue for some, especially if you operate on > Windows. Read on. > Regards, > Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Hi Luc, Brian, Christopher ; Luke 12:47 - "And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few" - Jesus. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Legal Eagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Romans 2:14-15 > Luc > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:47 AM > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > > > > > >> Christopher: > >> God is not as illogical as religion would put > Him. According to the > >> Bible, > >> even persons who never knew of God but do the > right(good)thing ARE > >> righteous > >> regardless. > >> > > Christopher, > > > > I know of some suggestion of this in the Bible, > but am unsure of where it > > is explicitly stated. Do you have a reference? > Thanks. > > > > Brian > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Bible references
Right on! Gustl! Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallo Alan, > > Monday, 27 December, 2004, 19:52:04, you wrote: > > A> Since we all have various and differing beliefs, > Why don't we put this > A> religius banter to rest on this list and get back > on topic! > A> Peace, > A> Alan > > Ah, but Alan, all things work together to bring > understanding. What > shuts a door for you may open it for another. > Everything is related > in one way or another. It is just a matter of > connecting the dots but > first the dots have to be seen. If these > things bother you then > please consider them as aids to further your > patience. No one has to > believe anything or convert to anything but it is > better to put what > we are given to good use. > > That being said friend please re-read your > introductory mail from the > list administrators. No topic cops brother. > That is also part of > peace. > > Happy Happy, > > Gustl > -- > Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. > Mitglied-Team AMIGA > ICQ: 22211253-Gustli > > The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the > gentle slope, > soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without > milestones, > without signposts. > C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" > > Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße > liegen, > daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt > nicht > gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. > > Those who dance are considered insane by those who > can't > hear the music. > George Carlin > > The best portion of a good man's life - > His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness > and of love. > William Wordsworth > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Religion/ was Titration problems
Hi Marylynn ; > and no, I'm not a "feminist". > > I just believe in what is evident .. and that's what > is called "BALANCE" .. > duh!! What is "evident" to you was not obvious to anyone for thousands of years (not evident to me either, by the way). Do you think there were no scholars who considered and rejected this? There was no such thing as women's lib until 100 years ago. I wonder why? Does a corporation have two CEO's? Does an army have two commanding officers? Why not? Let Jesus tell you whyy. "A house divided against itself cannot stand" . - Jesus. The world is being turned upside down, and not for the better, as much as you may like to think otherwise. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy
Dear BioFuel Readers, Regarding the recent US Energy Strategy, I read the "executive summary" which is as follows: 1. ENHANCING OIL SECURITY 2. REDUCING RISKS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE 3. INCREASING ENERGY EFFICIENCY 4. ENSURING AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE ENERGY SUPPLIES 5. STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL ENERGY SYSTEMS 6. DEVELOPING ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE FUTURE As it relates to US activity in biofuels/ethanol/non-petroleum fuels, it appears the bipartisan panel strategy provides much opportunity for entrepreneurs and biofuel advocates. I wish there was more wording and attention by the commissioners on the actual ream activities of the distribution of new fuels, the refineries themselves and the pipeline distribution of non-petroleum fuels (soy, canola, rapeseed, WVO, SVO, ethanol, CNG) and more wording on the conversion of existing refineries into biodiesel refineries. Thanks Keith for the notification. --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DieselNet > December 2004 > http://www.dieselnet.com/ > > Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy > > The National Commission on Energy Policy--a > bipartisan group of > energy experts from industry, government, labor, > academia, and > environmental and consumer groups--released a > consensus strategy to > address major long-term US energy challenges. The > report, "Ending the > Energy Stalemate: A Bipartisan Strategy to Meet > America's Energy > Challenges", contains policy recommendations for > addressing oil > security, climate change, natural gas supply, the > future of nuclear > energy, and other long-term challenges. > > The report calls for incentives to increase global > oil production, > recommends to increase domestic vehicle fuel > economy, and to increase > investment in alternative fuels. The climate change > plan would limit > greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, but a cost cap for > doing so would be > established. Incentives should be also provided for > low- and non- > carbon sources like natural gas, renewable energy, > nuclear energy, > and advanced coal technologies with carbon capture > and sequestration. > > Among many detailed recommendations, the report > supports domestic > production of advanced diesel and hybrid vehicles. > The Commission > concluded that a combination of improved > conventional gasoline > technologies and advanced hybrid-electric and diesel > technologies can > significantly increase fuel economy without > sacrificing size, power, > or safety. > > The report gives little prominence to fuel cells and > hydrogen > technologies. Hydrogen was not deemed as potentially > competitive with > gasoline by 2020. "The Commission supports continued > research and > development into hydrogen as a long-term (2050) > solution. The > Commission also concludes, however, that hydrogen > offers little to no > potential to improve oil security and reduce climate > change risks in > the next twenty years," said the report. > > To enhance US oil security, the Commission > recommends increasing and > diversifying world oil production, strengthening > federal fuel economy > standards for cars and light trucks beginning no > later than 2010 and > reforming the 30-year-old Corporate Average Fuel > Economy (CAFE) > program. Furthermore, production of hybrid and > advanced diesel > vehicles would be encouraged by $3 billion over ten > years in > manufacturer and consumer incentives. Incentives > would be also > provided for the development of non-petroleum > transportation fuel > alternatives, particularly ethanol and biodiesel > from waste products > and biomass. These steps could reduce US oil > consumption in 2025 by > an estimated 10-15% or 3-5 million barrels per day. > > To reduce risks from climate change, the report > suggests (1) > mandatory GHG emission reductions, and (2) > international cooperation > in GHG reduction programs--both approaches > traditionally opposed by > the US administration. The Commission recommends > implementing in 2010 > a mandatory, economy-wide tradable-permits system > designed to curb > future growth in the emissions of greenhouse gases. > The initial costs > to the US economy, however, would be capped at $7 > per metric ton of > carbon dioxide-equivalent. In the next step, the > action to reduce US > emissions would be linked with efforts by other > developed and > developing nations to achieve comparable emissions > reductions via a > review of program efficacy and international > progress in 2015. > > The report further recommends a number of actions to > increase US > energy supply through better utilization of natural > gas and coal > resources, nuclear power, and renewable energy, as > well as to > strengthen the energy supply infrastructure. > > http://www.energycommission.org/ > Download report: > http://www.energycommission.org/ewebeditpro/items/O82F4682.pdf > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMA
Re: [Biofuel] US EPA issues PM2.5 nonattainment designations
Dear Keith, Thank you for the excellent report. Readers, you will notice the weblink map provided in lists a big giant area in California called the San joaquin Valley, California. You will observe the wide swath of geographical area in comparison to other parts of the United States. The wide swath exemplifies the large air basin in which air is entrapped and inversion layer occurs along with ground level ozone, NOx and particulate matter - all non attainment. The San Joaquin Valley is irresitible for land developers because there is ample agricultural land that cannot make money for family farms, thus there is tremendous market pressure for land developement and satisfy the housing market and population inflow. Housing prices have appreciated 70% in ten years which pushes more development because of opportunity cost. My observation is that growth will be unstoppable. So therefore, smarth growth is the only possible actionm -biofuels, clean fuels, urban city centers, such as you see in SF and large European cities (Madrid, Dublin, Paris, London, Prague, etc) I guess I am telling you call because maybe one of you can offer some ideas. Many articles have already been published. Maye we can write a grant to the Bill Gates Foundation because my idea is to convince developers and locals that there are other ways to grow. It requires capital and someone like a Frank Lloyd Wright (although he designed cities for the car!) to change and demonstrate better city design. Maybe we can have e a contest and offer a million dollar prize to someone who can build a model city. Maybe that has already been completed. So much for my diatribe. Ciao, Phillip Wolfe http://www.epa.gov/pmdesignations/nonattaingreen.htm --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DieselNet > December 2004 > http://www.dieselnet.com/ > > US EPA issues PM2.5 nonattainment designations > > The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has > issued designations > for the Fine Particle National Ambient Air Quality > Standards. The EPA > designated 224 counties (some of them partial) in 20 > states, as well > as the District of Columbia, as PM2.5 nonattainment > (i.e., out of > compliance) areas. This action marks the beginning > of the enforcement > of the new air quality standards for fine particles > (PM2.5), defined > as particles with a diameter below 2.5 microns. > > Most of the non-compliant counties are in the > Midwest, Northeast, in > Southern California, and near Atlanta, GA. The main > PM2.5 source in > the Midwest and in some of the Northeast areas is > coal-fired power > generation. Transportation, including diesels, is an > important source > in several of the remaining areas. > > Under the US Clean Air Act, states with PM2.5 > nonattainment areas > will have to prepare State Implementation Plans > (SIP) by early 2008 > outlining what actions will be taken to reduce > pollution. This will > likely trigger a number of new diesel > retrofit/replacement programs > in those of the affected areas where diesels are > important > contributors to the ambient PM2.5 levels. > > However, many of the nonattainment areas are > expected to achieve > compliance due to emission regulations from power > plants and from > diesel engines that have been adopted in the recent > years. According > to the recently published EPA 2003 Particle > Pollution Report, PM2.5 > levels have been steadily decreasing since > nationwide monitoring > began in 1999. > > EPA issued the fine particle standards in 1997, but > implementation > was delayed due to litigation. The annual PM2.5 > standard is 15 > micrograms/m3, based on the 3-year average of annual > mean PM2.5 > concentrations. The 24-hour standard is 65 > micrograms/m3, determined > by the 3-year average of the annual 98th percentile > concentrations. > > To develop the final designations, EPA requested > recommendations from > state governors and tribal leaders, who have > identified a total of > only 142 counties as PM2.5 nonattainment areas. EPA > revised the state > recommendations by adding more than 100 counties. In > July 2004, the > EPA sent letters to states identifying 244 counties > as PM2.5 > nonattainment areas, and giving the states an > opportunity to respond. > > The existing standards for particulates below 10 > microns (PM10) have > been enforced for many years. However, there are > only 59 PM10 > nonattainment areas (8 severe and 51 moderate), > almost all of which-- > quite opposite to the PM2.5 map--are located in the > western states. > In some areas, most of the PM10 pollution is due to > natural sources, > including wildland fires and dust carried by high > winds. > > EPA press release: > > http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/b1ab9f485b098972852562e7004d > > c686/bc63cfdda235542585256f6d005e6738!OpenDocument > Map of nonattainment areas: > > http://www.epa.gov/pmdesignations/nonattaingreen.htm > EPA PM2.5 designations
Re: [Biofuel] Windows warning
that was a smart move by Bill. The Redhat distro is OK but the SUSE distro has passed them. I haven't used either in a long time though I would like to try SuSe again. If you are wanting security, the BSD varients are the most secure. I just installed FreeBSD on an old HD on my desktop machine so I can stay current with it. I agree that FreeBSD is more secure than Linux. (OpenBSD probably being the best?) but who wants to surf and do word processing on a server platform? I run Slackware 95% of the time on my desktop machine, though I must admit I don't do a lot of "word processing" the real problem is OS freaks want to turn their OS into a religion. Use the right tool for the job, as you say. when the techno nerds quit hatin' the devil and lovin' god, they started worshippin' linus and hating Bill. mel You lost me, Mel :) -- Martin Klingensmith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much to the people who frequent this group. You will notice after being here awhile that people like Todd and I can completely disagree on some issue, yet remain civil and respectful toward one another. We can learn about a wide range of perspectives in an international forum of this nature, some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it more tangential. How about some biofuel? We've been around this block many times, Bill. The discussion here often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and inevitably someone complains about "off topic" posting. This may be well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view a little bit and understand why this discussion is relevant to biofuels. My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive energy policy. What drives American actions in the present administration is a pressing need to secure a variety of "traditional" (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources so that a single problem in some distant part of the world does not hold the American economy hostage. For this reason, we have meddled into the affairs of central Asian nations, Africa, South America and Iraq. (And this is the root of our opposition to the Kyoto Accord.) Therefore, the recent discussion in this forum about hyping the terror threat relates to biofuels. Without an "enemy" upon which to direct our angst, Americans might wake up and realize that we need a plan that is more sensible and responsible than the "market driven" ideas we have pursued so relentlessly since I've been an adult. Coupled with this, a blind following of "Christian" dispensationalists demand absolute allegiance to their "plan" for Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Using the cloak of religion, these people have hijacked many influential churches in North America and brainwashed nonthinking Christians (is there such a thing?) into supporting Israel at all costs; including the use of American military forces to subdue a certain Middle Eastern dictator whose armed forces presented no credible threat to the United States. The recent discussion concerning religion relates directly to this problem. (And trust me, mine is a VERY unpopular position to hold within a conservative Christian congregation.) As a devoted Christian, I am deeply troubled by the misuse of my faith; particularly when the actions of a supposedly Christian president directly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ. As an American, I am seething at the injustice we are projecting upon citizens in other parts of the world. The root of my nation's problem is its insatiable demand for energy, yet formal discussion of this issue is happening NOWHERE outside of this forum. Therefore, any topic related to reducing energy use, including religious discussion, is fair game in this forum. Those have been the rules around here for a very long time. I hope you come to appreciate them. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] DieselNet - On The Web
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ On The Web + US EPA: Particle Pollution Report 2003. The document concludes that ambient PM2.5 levels are now the lowest since nationwide monitoring began in 1999. Since 1999, monitored concentrations of PM2.5 have decreased 10% and are about 30% lower than EPA estimates of levels 25 years ago. But millions of people still live in areas of high particle pollution, said the EPA, thus justifying the need for further emission regulations. http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/pm.html Press release: http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/b1ab9f485b098972852562e7004d c686/d695e158184cb49185256f6a005a10e8!OpenDocument + US DOE's Energy Information Administration (EIA) issues two new reports: - "Annual Energy Outlook 2005"--by 2025, 68% of the US petroleum demand would depend on imported oil, up from 56% in 2003. http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/press/press244.html http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/ - "Emissions of Greenhouse Gases in the United States, 2003"--US greenhouse gas emissions increased by 0.7% in 2003. On the positive side, the 2003 increase was below the rate of economic growth of 3.0% and below the average annual growth rate of 1.0% in greenhouse gas emissions since 1990. http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/ggrpt/ + American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP): In a revised policy statement, "Ambient Air Pollution: Health Hazards to Children" the AAP advises that children are at higher risk from exposure to air pollution than adults. According to the policy statement, exposure to traffic- related pollution, such as exhaust emissions from cars and diesel exhaust from trucks and even school buses, increases a child's risk of respiratory complications as well as lifetime risk of cancer. html: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/114/6/1699 pdf: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/114/6/1699.pdf + Health Effects Institute (HEI) publishes three new research reports: - Report 123, "Time-Series Analysis of Air Pollution and Mortality: A Statistical Review" Full Report: http://www.healtheffects.org/Pubs/Dominici.pdf Statement: http://www.healtheffects.org/Pubs/st123.htm - Report 125, "Uptake Distribution of Ozone in Human Lungs: Intersubject Variability in Physiologic Response" Full Report: http://www.healtheffects.org/Pubs/Ultman.pdf Statement: http://www.healtheffects.org/Pubs/st125.htm - Report 122, "Evaluation of a Personal and Microenvironmental Aerosol Speciation Sampler (PMASS)" Full Report: http://www.healtheffects.org/Pubs/Geyh.pdf Statement: http://www.healtheffects.org/Pubs/st122.htm + European Commission launches public internet consultation on action plan to reduce air pollution. http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/04/142 1&format=HTML&aged=0&language=en&guiLanguage=en + UK Department for Transport: "Transport Trends 2004". An overview of trends in transport and travel in GB over the past twenty years. http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_transstats/documents/page/d ft_transstats_508294.hcsp + California ARB: - A revised draft of the proposed regulation for the "Particulate Matter Control Measure for On-road Heavy Duty Diesel Fleet Vehicles Owned/Operated by Public Agencies and Utilities" is available for review. The ARB is requesting comments on the revised draft by January 21, 2005. http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/publicfleets/publicfleets.htm - ARB will be holding the second offroad diesel equipment measure workgroup meeting on Wednesday, February 16. http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/ordiesel/ordiesel.htm + Presentations from the Swedish Automotive Environment Symposium at 38th Tokyo Motor Show 2004. http://www.swedishtrade.se/japan/framework/main.aspx?id=-1&pageid=307 4&siteid=31&templateid=4&view=1 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Volkswagen recalls 290,000 diesel cars
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Volkswagen recalls 290,000 diesel cars Volkswagen recalled 290,000 diesel cars worldwide, due to fuel injection system problems that could lead to a fuel leakage, according to Reuters. The recall includes VW, Audi, Seat and Skoda cars equipped with dual-valve, 1.2, 1.4, and 1.9-liter engines, manufactured from March to August 2004. In the US market, diesel fuel pumps that can potentially develop leaks will be replaced in an estimated 19,284 Golf, Jetta, Beetle and Passat vehicles. The recall is expected to begin in February 2005. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=7052851 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=7170111 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] More hybrid technology news
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ More hybrid technology news + Honda debuts Accord Hybrid in the US market Honda has launched its biggest hybrid car, the 2005 Accord Hybrid. The Accord Hybrid comes with the third generation of Honda's hybrid system, in combination with the new Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) cylinder deactivation technology, which shuts down three of the six cylinders while cruising. The vehicle generates 255 hp, 6% more than the Accord V-6 Sedan, with "a remarkably broad and flat torque curve," said Honda. The US EPA fuel economy rating for the vehicle (with 5-speed automatic transmission) is 29 mpg (8.11 l/100 km) in the city and 37 mpg (6.35 l/100 km) on the highway. The Accord Hybrid has a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $29,990. The hybrid is similarly equipped to the conventional Honda Accord EX V-6, which comes with an MSRP of $26,700. Based on that comparison, the price premium for the hybrid propulsion system is about $3,290. http://hondanews.com/CatID2128?mid=2004121041348&mime=asc + Dodge RAM hybrid enters production DaimlerChrysler has begun limited production of the Dodge Ram Diesel hybrid electric vehicle (HEV), which will be available to fleet customers. The Dodge Ram Diesel HEV is built on the Ram Heavy Duty (2500/3500) chassis, features the 5.9 liter 325 hp, 600 lb-ft Cummins Turbo Diesel, and is equipped with diesel-electric hybrid propulsion. An integrated starter-alternator unit provides a start-stop capability, which shuts the engine off at full stop and restarts when the accelerator is pressed. It also assists the diesel engine during acceleration. A regenerative braking system helps recharge the batteries. The saving on fuel is up to 15%. http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/SD7DEV/GMS/TEMPLATES/GMS_PRESS_RELEA SE/0,2941,0-1-62035-1-1-text-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html + Hybrid buses not delivering fuel economy According to press reports, hybrid diesel electric buses purchased by Seattle, WA, have not delivered their anticipated fuel economy improvement. The hybrids were expected to save up to 40% of fuel, but the fuel economy in the first months of real operation was comparable to that of conventional diesels. The King County Metro has purchased 235 60-foot articulated buses featuring the GM's Allison hybrid drive system. At this time, the transit agency has the largest fleet of hybrid buses in the world. In September, the hybrids were getting only a disappointing 3.75 mpg. At times, the hybrid buses had worse mileage than the 1989 buses they were replacing. One of the possible reasons is that the hybrids were operated on suburban express routes with large proportion of highway mileage, where little fuel economy advantage exists. The fuel efficiency of hybrid buses is well pronounced in stop-and-go applications, such as in urban driving. This is another indication that the fuel economy of hybrid vehicles is extremely sensitive to the test cycle, much more so than the fuel economy in conventional powertrains. The fuel saving with hybrids is due to energy management in the powertrain, rather than to improved thermal efficiency of the engine, and can be realized only under transient driving patterns. Fuel economy predictions for hybrids in real life applications are indeed very difficult. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/203509_metro13.html + Hybrid buses coming to Pittsburgh Pittsburgh will receive six Gillig hybrid buses, which use the GM Allison hybrid system. The buses are scheduled to be delivered in late 2004 or early 2005. The purchase was made possible by a $6.6 million grant from the US Department of Transportation, which will also finance 14 additional conventional coaches for the Port Authority of Allegheny County's bus system. The operation of the new hybrids will help determine the future propulsion system for Port Authority's fleet. http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/pittsburgh/s_286248.h tml + Azure delivers hybrid electric vehicle to Purolator Burnaby, BC-based Azure Dynamics Corporation delivered a hybrid electric delivery vehicle to Purolator, Canada's largest overnight courier company. It is the first vehicle delivered under a five-year supply contract with Purolator. The hybrids for Purolator are equipped with a series hybrid system, where all motive power is transferred electrically to one or more electric traction motors that drive the wheels. After field testing of hybrid vehicles, Purolator saw a fuel consumption reduction of an impressive 50%, according to Azure. http://www.azuredynamics.com/november262004b.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchi
[Biofuel] DaimlerChrysler and GM to jointly develop hybrid vehicles
DaimlerChrysler and General Motors Corporation (GM) announced their intention to work together to develop a "two-mode" full hybrid propulsion architecture for applications in GM, Chrysler Group and Mercedes Car Group vehicles. Variants planned include rear- and front- wheel-drive versions for cars, trucks and other vehicles. GM and DaimlerChrysler have signed a memorandum of understanding, and intend to enter into a definitive agreement in early 2005. While no technical details were given, the "two-mode" hybrid technology represents a more advanced design compared to today's hybrids, according to the companies. The two-mode hybrid utilizes two electric motors that are smaller than those in today's single-mode designs, and can provide performance and fuel economy improvements at highway speeds. Packaging was said to be more efficient as the motors are incorporated within an electrically variable transmission. The system is likely related to the hybrid drive powertrain for urban buses, developed by GM's Allison Transmission--both systems are referred to as "two-mode" hybrid systems. In the Allison system, the electric motors are used to help accelerate from a stop. At high speeds, the vehicle is propelled by the diesel engine, without using the electric motors. "The two-mode design is the optimal merging of full hybrid and state- of-the-art automatic transmission technologies," said Tom Stephens, group vice president of GM Powertrain. "Together we will jointly develop what is essentially an electrically variable transmission with two hybrid drive modes. This system will reduce fuel consumption at highway speeds much more effectively than available single mode systems and achieve at least a 25% improvement in composite fuel economy in full-size truck applications." Each company will integrate the two-mode full hybrid into its own vehicles. GM plans to have the system in the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon by late 2007. DaimlerChrysler will put it in the Dodge Durango by 2008. This cooperation is a response to the projected increase in the hybrid vehicle sales in North America. In 2004, Americans will buy an estimated 80,000 hybridsout of the 16 million total vehicle marketbut the number may grow to a few millions within the decade. The major players have been Toyota, with its Prius sedan, and Honda, with the Civic hybrid and the new Accord hybrid. More recently, the Japanese suppliers have been joined by Ford, who launched a hybrid version of its Escape SUV. DaimlerChrysler has been favoring diesels as a solution for better fuel economy, and has been building advanced diesel cars in Europe, while GM has been pushing for the development of hydrogen fuel cells. http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0,,0-5-7145-1-442663-1-0-0-0-0-0- 9-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html Allison's system (a Flash-based, difficult to navigate site): http://www.allisontransmission.com/product/electricdrive/evdrive.jsp ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] V6 engine with "maintenance-free" filter for Peugeot HDi 607
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ V6 engine with "maintenance-free" filter for Peugeot HDi 607 The French PSA Group introduced for the first time a six cylinder diesel engine to its Peugeot HDi 607 automobile. The 2.7 liter V6 engine has been developed under the cooperative program between PSA Peugeot Citroën and Ford in the Jaguar development center in Whitley, UK. The same engine was earlier introduced in the Jaguar S-Type model (see DieselNet Update - June 2003). The V6, Euro 4 engine has a capacity of 2,720 cm3 and produces 150 kW at 4,000 rpm. The maximum torque of 440 Nm is produced at 1,900 rpm. According to PSA and Ford, it is the industry-first engine using compacted graphite iron (CGI) technology instead of the conventional cast iron block. The engine features a piezoelectric common rail injection system operating at pressures up to 1,650 bar. Six injection events are possible: two pre-injections to control noise, two main injections, and two post-injections for the regeneration of the diesel particulate filter. The engine is equipped with two variable geometry turbochargers. The engine's electronic control module receives input from 23 sensors and sends instructions to 20 actuators to manage the engine operation. The engine is equipped with the newest "maintenance-free" version of the Peugeot diesel particulate filter, which can be operated without maintenance for a period of 200,000 km. The filter utilizes the Ibiden "octosquare" substrates, where the octagonal inlet channels are larger than the outlet channels, to provide increased ash storage capacity. The filter utilizes the Eolys cerium/iron additive by Rhodia for regeneration. Peugeot 607--launched in May 2000, with a 2.2 liter 4-cylinder engine- -was the fist modern diesel car to be equipped with a particulate filter. Since that time, about 900,000 filter systems have been sold in various models of Peugeot diesel engines. The first version of the system required maintenance (washing from ash) every 80,000 km. http://www.all4engineers.com/index.php;lng=de/do=show/alloc=34/id=658 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] London adopts Taxi Emissions Strategy
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ London adopts Taxi Emissions Strategy The Mayor of London, England, has adopted a "Taxi Emissions Strategy", which requires that all taxi cabs in use in London meet the current Euro 3 emission standards by 2007. Taxis, which are predominantly diesel powered, are responsible for 24% of fine particle and 12% of NOx emissions from road transport in central London. A special flat fare increase of 20 pence per trip will be effective from April 2005 to cover the cost of upgrading to the new standards. There are three major options for taxi owners who operate pre-Euro 3 vehicles: (1) to buy a new cab, (2) to retrofit old cabs with an ammonia or urea selective catalytic reduction (SCR) system with a particulate filter, and (3) to convert the vehicle to run on liquefied petroleum gas (LPG). The time scale to comply with the Taxi Emissions Strategy is July 1 2006 for pre-Euro 1 taxis; January 1 2007 for Euro 1 taxis; and January 1 2008 for Euro 2 taxis. There are approximately 2,400 pre- Euro 1 cabs in London; 8,700 Euro 1 cabs; 5,400 Euro 2 and 3,600 Euro 3 cabs. The Taxi Emissions Strategy is part of the Mayor's plan to make London a Low Emission Zone, which will come into force by 2007. The "Low Emission Zone" rules will remove the most polluting trucks, buses and coaches from the streets of London. Emissions in London have been already reduced by an estimated 12% through the central London congestion charge program. The maker of London's black cabs, Manganese Bronze Holdings, introduced the world's first hybrid diesel electric taxis in June (in cooperation with Azure Dynamics). Irvine, CA-based KleenAir Systems announced it intends to supply retrofit emission control systems for the affected London cabs. http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_release.jsp?releaseid=4637 http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=n ews_view&newsId=20041221005041&newsLang=en ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Automakers challenge California greenhouse gas rule
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Automakers challenge California greenhouse gas rule The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers and a group of automobile dealers in California's Central Valley have sued the California ARB over its greenhouse gas rule which was adopted in September 2004. The rule mandates reductions in CO2 and other greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from automobiles sold in California. The standards would phase in from 2009 to 2016, with an average GHG emission reduction of 22% in 2012 and 30% in 2016, compared to today's vehicles. Car manufacturers have been opposing the rule on the grounds that it is a veiled form of fuel economy regulation, rather than an emission standard. California has the right to establish her own emission standards, but fuel economy remains under federal authority. US fuel economy regulations are developed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers said that consumers would suffer higher prices and severely restricted choice of vehicles if each state were deciding for itself which new vehicles ought to be produced and sold. The Alliance also said consumer tax incentives, rather than regulations, should be used to promote advanced vehicle technologies. The law suit was criticized by environmental organizations. "It is disappointing--though not surprising--that the same automakers buying ads touting their environmental commitments are suing to prevent California from protecting its citizens from the effects of global warming," said Dan Becker, Washington Director of the Sierra Club's Global Warming Program. "If these automakers are so committed to reducing global warming emissions, why are they suing to prevent California from doing just that?" continued Becker. Some environmental organizations also praised Honda for not taking part in the law suit. The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers is a trade association of 9 car and light truck manufacturers including BMW Group, DaimlerChrysler, Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Mazda, Mitsubishi Motors, Porsche, Toyota and Volkswagen. http://autoalliance.org/archives/000163.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] California ARB adopts mandatory chip reflash program
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ California ARB adopts mandatory chip reflash program The California Air Resources Board (ARB) approved a mandatory software upgrade (so-called "chip reflash") program for affected heavy-duty diesel engines. Owners and operators of heavy-duty trucks and other vehicles that use model year 1993-1999 heavy-duty diesel engines will be required to have an upgraded version of software in their engine's electronic control module (ECM). The mandatory program replaces the former voluntary effort (see DieselNet Update - March 2004). The regulation affects an estimated 58,000 engines in California, only 14,000 of which (24%) have been reflashed. The rule also applies to some 300,000 to 400,000 out-of-state vehicles that drive through California. Under the mandatory program, all heavy-duty engines have to be reflashed by the end of 2005, and medium-duty engines by the end of 2006. The cost of the reflash is to be covered by the engine manufacturer. Enforcement of the program would occur through the ARB's Heavy-Duty Vehicle Smoke Inspection Program, where engines would be checked for the usage of the right software. In March 2004, the ARB adopted a voluntary chip reflash plan which was supported by engine manufacturers, who agreed to cover the costs. However, the voluntary plan target of 35% reflashed engines by November 2004 has not been reached, thus prompting the adoption of mandatory requirements. Only one manufacturer, Detroit Diesel, has met its voluntary quota and was allowed to continue the voluntary program. The mandatory requirements apply to Caterpillar, Volvo, Cummins, and Navistar engines. The mandatory program has been opposed by manufacturers who refuse to cover the cost of the reflash. The Engine Manufacturers Association (EMA) will likely sue the ARB on behalf of its members, who--under the 1998 EPA consent decrees--are not required to pay for the reflash under the accelerated mandatory schedule. Most of 1993-1999 MY heavy-duty engines (about 1.3 million engines in the US market) used software that switched to a more fuel efficient but higher NOx engine calibration during steady-state highway cruising. This dual engine mapping strategy was deemed by the EPA and the ARB to be an illegal "emissions defeat device". In 1998, under consent decrees signed with the EPA/DOJ, manufacturers agreed to develop a low NOx software upgrade. However, the consent decrees require software upgrade only when the affected engines undergo major overhauls. Furthermore, vehicle operators have no economic incentive to do the chip reflash, as doing so results in deterioration of fuel economy. As a result, the progress of the software upgrade has been slower than anticipated by the regulators. http://www.caltrux.org/news/newsDisplay.asp?id=414 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Japan switching to ultra low sulfur diesel
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Japan switching to ultra low sulfur diesel Following a voluntary commitment of the Petroleum Association of Japan (PAJ), Japanese refiners will start supplying ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) of max. 10 ppm sulfur content from January 1, 2005, two years before the mandatory deadline. The ULSD will be supplied nationwide (with small exceptions), replacing the current 50 ppm S diesel. Sulfur content will be also lowered to 10 ppm in gasoline. The refiners have spent 300 billion yen ($2.92 billion) to upgrade facilities for the desulfurization process. It is expected that the move will result in increased fuel prices and may cause reduced fuel supplies. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=6974178 http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/jp/fuel.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Diesel share of new passenger cars in Western Europe at 51.9%
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Diesel share of new passenger cars in Western Europe at 51.9% The share of diesels in the new passenger car market in Western Europe has reached an all-time high, according to the market data published by Robert Bosch GmbH. In October 2004, 51.9% of all newly registered passenger cars were equipped with a diesel engine. The share of diesels has been growing in all classes of vehicles. According to the Bosch statistics, diesels account for 62.5% of vehicles in the upper middle-class, and for 61.4% in the middle-class. The highest growth rates were registered for high-end cars, where the diesel share increased by 9 percent to 44.4%, and in the compact class with a 7.1 percent increase to 33.2%. The diesel share in Germany has also reached a new record at 47.9% in October 2004, up from 41.5% in October 2003. The highest diesel share for newly registered cars of more than 70% were recorded in Austria, Belgium and France. The share of diesels increased by 7.5% in the UK and Italy. In the UK, the numbers came to 37.1%, up from 29.6% in October 2003. In Italy, the numbers increased from 52.9% to 60.4%. The continuous increase of the diesel share has been driven by their superior fuel economy--some 30% less fuel consumption in comparison to gasoline vehicles--and the corresponding reductions in greenhouse gas emissions, as well as by the good performance of advanced diesel cars. However, increased usage of diesels has resulted in particulate matter (PM) emissions, which have been identified as a public heath concern by the European Commission, by the German Environment Ministry, and by authorities in several other countries. It is expected that the Euro 5 emission standards, to be proposed in 2005, will make it necessary to fit all new diesel cars with particulate filters. In the meantime, car manufacturers increasingly introduce particulate filters on a voluntary basis. First Peugeot cars were fitted with filters in 2000. German manufacturers introduced filters this year on a number of Euro 4 vehicles, and intend to use them in all new car models by 2009. Advanced particulate filter systems in passenger cars lower PM emissions below typical urban background levels, i.e., the exhaust gas contains less PM than the intake air supplied to the engine. http://www.bosch-presse.de/TBWebDB/bosch-ptj/en-US/PressText.cfm?id=2 160 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy The National Commission on Energy Policy--a bipartisan group of energy experts from industry, government, labor, academia, and environmental and consumer groups--released a consensus strategy to address major long-term US energy challenges. The report, "Ending the Energy Stalemate: A Bipartisan Strategy to Meet America's Energy Challenges", contains policy recommendations for addressing oil security, climate change, natural gas supply, the future of nuclear energy, and other long-term challenges. The report calls for incentives to increase global oil production, recommends to increase domestic vehicle fuel economy, and to increase investment in alternative fuels. The climate change plan would limit greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, but a cost cap for doing so would be established. Incentives should be also provided for low- and non- carbon sources like natural gas, renewable energy, nuclear energy, and advanced coal technologies with carbon capture and sequestration. Among many detailed recommendations, the report supports domestic production of advanced diesel and hybrid vehicles. The Commission concluded that a combination of improved conventional gasoline technologies and advanced hybrid-electric and diesel technologies can significantly increase fuel economy without sacrificing size, power, or safety. The report gives little prominence to fuel cells and hydrogen technologies. Hydrogen was not deemed as potentially competitive with gasoline by 2020. "The Commission supports continued research and development into hydrogen as a long-term (2050) solution. The Commission also concludes, however, that hydrogen offers little to no potential to improve oil security and reduce climate change risks in the next twenty years," said the report. To enhance US oil security, the Commission recommends increasing and diversifying world oil production, strengthening federal fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks beginning no later than 2010 and reforming the 30-year-old Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) program. Furthermore, production of hybrid and advanced diesel vehicles would be encouraged by $3 billion over ten years in manufacturer and consumer incentives. Incentives would be also provided for the development of non-petroleum transportation fuel alternatives, particularly ethanol and biodiesel from waste products and biomass. These steps could reduce US oil consumption in 2025 by an estimated 10-15% or 3-5 million barrels per day. To reduce risks from climate change, the report suggests (1) mandatory GHG emission reductions, and (2) international cooperation in GHG reduction programs--both approaches traditionally opposed by the US administration. The Commission recommends implementing in 2010 a mandatory, economy-wide tradable-permits system designed to curb future growth in the emissions of greenhouse gases. The initial costs to the US economy, however, would be capped at $7 per metric ton of carbon dioxide-equivalent. In the next step, the action to reduce US emissions would be linked with efforts by other developed and developing nations to achieve comparable emissions reductions via a review of program efficacy and international progress in 2015. The report further recommends a number of actions to increase US energy supply through better utilization of natural gas and coal resources, nuclear power, and renewable energy, as well as to strengthen the energy supply infrastructure. http://www.energycommission.org/ Download report: http://www.energycommission.org/ewebeditpro/items/O82F4682.pdf ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] US EPA issues PM2.5 nonattainment designations
December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ US EPA issues PM2.5 nonattainment designations The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has issued designations for the Fine Particle National Ambient Air Quality Standards. The EPA designated 224 counties (some of them partial) in 20 states, as well as the District of Columbia, as PM2.5 nonattainment (i.e., out of compliance) areas. This action marks the beginning of the enforcement of the new air quality standards for fine particles (PM2.5), defined as particles with a diameter below 2.5 microns. Most of the non-compliant counties are in the Midwest, Northeast, in Southern California, and near Atlanta, GA. The main PM2.5 source in the Midwest and in some of the Northeast areas is coal-fired power generation. Transportation, including diesels, is an important source in several of the remaining areas. Under the US Clean Air Act, states with PM2.5 nonattainment areas will have to prepare State Implementation Plans (SIP) by early 2008 outlining what actions will be taken to reduce pollution. This will likely trigger a number of new diesel retrofit/replacement programs in those of the affected areas where diesels are important contributors to the ambient PM2.5 levels. However, many of the nonattainment areas are expected to achieve compliance due to emission regulations from power plants and from diesel engines that have been adopted in the recent years. According to the recently published EPA 2003 Particle Pollution Report, PM2.5 levels have been steadily decreasing since nationwide monitoring began in 1999. EPA issued the fine particle standards in 1997, but implementation was delayed due to litigation. The annual PM2.5 standard is 15 micrograms/m3, based on the 3-year average of annual mean PM2.5 concentrations. The 24-hour standard is 65 micrograms/m3, determined by the 3-year average of the annual 98th percentile concentrations. To develop the final designations, EPA requested recommendations from state governors and tribal leaders, who have identified a total of only 142 counties as PM2.5 nonattainment areas. EPA revised the state recommendations by adding more than 100 counties. In July 2004, the EPA sent letters to states identifying 244 counties as PM2.5 nonattainment areas, and giving the states an opportunity to respond. The existing standards for particulates below 10 microns (PM10) have been enforced for many years. However, there are only 59 PM10 nonattainment areas (8 severe and 51 moderate), almost all of which-- quite opposite to the PM2.5 map--are located in the western states. In some areas, most of the PM10 pollution is due to natural sources, including wildland fires and dust carried by high winds. EPA press release: http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/b1ab9f485b098972852562e7004d c686/bc63cfdda235542585256f6d005e6738!OpenDocument Map of nonattainment areas: http://www.epa.gov/pmdesignations/nonattaingreen.htm EPA PM2.5 designations page:http://www.epa.gov/pmdesignations/ EPA Particle Pollution Report: http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/pm.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto kayoed - again......
Dear BMolloy, Where George Monbiot said, "...The US is now the only member of the UN Security Council whose word is law...". My comments: The recent Indonesian 9.0 earthquake and resulting tsunami demonstrated who has the last word and who is the law. It is not a human, country or state; but rather Mother Nature; who in one swipe affected 10 nations and grabbed the world's attention. Good luck to all and to all a good night. --- bmolloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > The US has again rejected the Kyoto > Protocol, this time in at the > Bueno Aires conference. George Monbiot is a media > commentator. His views on > the outcome are sobering. > Regards, > Bob. > > AMERICA'S WAR WITH ITSELF > > By George Monbiot, AlterNet > Posted on December 21, 2004, Printed on December 23, > 2004 > http://www.alternet.org/story/20820/ > I have a persistant mental image of US foreign > policy, which haunts me even > in my > sleep. The vanguard of a vast army is marching > around the globe, looking for > its > enemy. It sees a mass of troops in the distance, > retreating from it. It > opens fire, > unaware that it is shooting its own rear. > Is this too fanciful a picture? Both Osama bin Laden > and Saddam Hussein were > groomed and armed by the United States. Until the > invasion of Iraq, there > were no > links between the Baathists and Al Qaeda: now Bush's > government has created > the > monster it claimed to be slaying. > The US army developed high-grade weaponized anthrax > in order, it said, to > work > out what would happen if someone else did the same. > No one else was capable > of > producing it: the terrorist who posted envelopes of > anthrax in 2001 took it > from one > of the army's laboratories. Now US researchers are > preparing genetically > modified > strains of smallpox on the same pretext, and with > the same likely > consequences. > The Pentagon's space-based weapons program is being > developed in response to > a > threat that doesn't yet exist, but which it is > likely to conjure up. The US > government > is engaged in a global war with itself. It is like a > robin attacking its > reflection in a > window. > Nowhere is this more obvious than in its assaults on > the multilateral > institutions and > their treaties. Listening to some of the bunkum > about the United Nations > venting > from Capitol Hill at the moment, you could be > forgiven for believing that > the UN was > a foreign conspiracy against the United States. It > was, of course, proposed > by a US > president, launched in San Francisco and housed in > New York, where its > headquarters remain. Its Universal Declaration of > Human Rights, > characterized by > Republicans as a dangerous restraint upon American > freedoms, was drafted by > Franklin D. Roosevelt's widow. The US is now the > only member of the UN > Security > Council whose word is law, with the result that the > UN is one of the world's > most > effective instruments for the projection of American > power. > The secret deals in Iraq for which the United > Nations is currently being > attacked by > US senators were in fact overseen by the US > government. It ensured that > Saddam > Hussein could evade sanctions by continuing to sell > oil to its allies in > Jordan and > Turkey. Republican congressmen are calling on Kofi > Annan to resign for > letting this > happen, apparently unaware that it was approved in > Washington to support > American strategic objectives. The United States > finds the monsters it > seeks, as it > pecks and flutters at its own image. > So we could interpret the activities of Bush's > government in Buenos Aires > last week > as another vigorous attempt to destroy its own > interests. US economic growth > depends on the rest of the world's prosperity. The > greatest long-term threat > to global > prosperity is climate change, which threatens to > wreck many of America's key > markets in the developing world. Coastal cities in > the United States - > including New > York - are threatened by rising sea levels. Florida > could be hit by stronger > and more > frequent hurricanes. Both farms and cities are > likely to be affected by > droughts. > In February, a leaked report from the Pentagon > revealed that it sees global > warming > as far more dangerous to US interests than > terrorism. As a result of abrupt > climate > change, it claimed, "warfare may again come to > define human life. ... As the > planet's carrying capacity shrinks, an ancient > pattern reemerges: the > eruption of > desperate, all-out wars over food, water, and energy > supplies." The nuclear > powers, > it suggested, are likely to invade each other's > territories as they scramble > for > diminishing resources. > So how does Bush respond to this? "Bring it on." The > meeting in Buenos Aires > was > supposed to work out what the world should do about > climate change when the > Kyoto protocol expires in 2012. Most of the world's > governments want the > prot
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
I dressed as Elvis to my Uncle Harry's wedding because Uncle Harry was so damm cool. The preacher threw me out. Said I was sacreligeous. I looked at him and said, "I bet you can't dance." and left. I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. You know it as well as I do. How about some biofuel? Bill - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > If you don’t titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is relevant. > > It's all in the doing, not in the religion. > > All religions can get you to god, if "titrated" correctly. > > Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line right? > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Bible references
religius banter to rest on this list and get back on topic! Which is, in your view, Alan? Best wishes Keith Peace, Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Bible references Thanks for the info. It is appreciated. Brian - Original Message - From: "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems > Romans 2:13 is also applicable. It reads: "For not the hearers of the law ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel "Gas Stations/CStore" Update and C-Store Facts
Dear Biofuel Readers, In a previous message, I discussed the idea of biofuel/clean fuel gas stations. The plan is to seek "orphan" gas stations throughout the United States and determine the feasibility of converting those to biofuel/alternative fuel gas stations. The plan is to focus on the most "air polluted areas" first. Here is an update DOE, facts on C-Store gas statons, and a list of the "most air polluted Air Basins": --I emailed DOE and they responded with information pertaining to available incentives to encourage clean fuel distribution facilities/fueling stations. See previous email. C-Stores/gas statoins that successfully market their own locally brewed and refined unbranded gasoline usually have developed brand-loyalty on their own, said Jim Fisher, founder and CEO of IMST Corp., a Houston-based retail location analysis firm. Commonly, these chains offer "fresher foods" (organic?) and a number of large, clean stores. --"The major point is that the consumers have confidence in the local brands",Fisher said. (just how I feel when exchanging email on this biofuel list, sorta like a local!) --The U.S. convenience store industry, has over 130,600 stores across the U.S, $220 billion in motor fuel sales. (that is a lot of fuel!, I wonder what the numbers look like like in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Africa, Russia, elsewhere. I will snoop around) --A total of 22,165 people attended the National Assocation of C-Stores (gas stations) NACS Show 2003, which took place Oct. 11-14 at McCormick Place in Chicago. Of that total, 6,931 were considered buyers retailers, petroleum marketers, wholesalers and distributors. (I attended several of these shows over the past five years..and ate a lot of Mrs. Fields Cookies) --C-store experts note about 78% of all U.S. C-stores -- and 96% of new stores -- have gas pumps. C-stores offering pay-at-the-pump increased dramatically over last five years (chart). At year-end 2000, 69% of C-stores offered pay-at-the-pump vs just 17% in 1995. --Gas stations face increasing pressure to compete with grocery stores and discount chains, which increasingly offer cheaper gas, said Jeff Lenard, spokesman for the National Association of Convenience Stores, an Alexandria-based trade group. As a result, a growing number of chain convenience stores are cutting ties with branded gasoline to go their own way (!!), he said. Fewer than half of all chains offer unbranded gas - which the chains sell under their own names - but Lenard said he expects that percentage to grow. --"The major point is that the consumers have confidence in the local brands",Fisher said. --Below is a list of Non-Attainment areas in the United States: --Here is the U.S. Nonattainment Area Map Listing (including my beloved San Joaquin Valley, California) http://www.epa.gov/oar/oaqps/greenbk/onmapa.html Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ Altoona, PA Atlanta, GA Atlantic City, NJ Baltimore, MD Baton Rouge, LA Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX Boston-Lawrence-Worcester (E. MA), MA-NH Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY Chicago-Gary-Lake County, IL-IN Chico, CA Cincinnati-Hamilton, OH-KY (OH Portion) Dallas-Fort Worth, TX El Paso, TX Erie, PA Essex Co, NY Greater Connecticut, CT Harrisburg-Lebanon-Carlisle, PA Houston-Galveston-Brazoria, TX Imperial Co, CA Jefferson Co, NY Johnstown, PA Knox & Lincoln Co.s, ME Lancaster, PA Lewiston-Auburn, ME Los Angeles South Coast Air Basin, CA Manchester, NH Milwaukee-Racine, WI New York-N. New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-CT Philadelphia-Wilmington-Trenton, PA-NJ-DE-MD Phoenix, AZ Portland, ME Portsmouth-Dover-Rochester, NH Poughkeepsie, NY Providence (All RI), RI Reno, NV Sacramento Metro, CA Salem, OR San Francisco Bay Area, CA San Joaquin Valley, CA Scranton-Wilkes-Barre, PA Smyth Co, VA (White Top Mtn) Southeast Desert Modified AQMA, CA Springfield (Western MA), MA Sunland Park, NM (New Area 1995) Sussex Co, DE Ventura Co, CA Washington, DC-MD-VA York, PA Youngstown-Warren-Sharon, PA portion Yuba City, CA -- Here are the Classifications of 1-Hour Ozone Nonattainment Areas As of November 29, 2004 EXTREME (2010) Los Angeles South Coast Air Basin San Joaquin Valley, CA SEVERE (2007) Chicago-Gary-Lake County, IL-IN Houston-Galveston-Brazoria, TX Milwaukee-Racine, WI
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Bible references
Hallo Alan, Monday, 27 December, 2004, 19:52:04, you wrote: A> Since we all have various and differing beliefs, Why don't we put this A> religius banter to rest on this list and get back on topic! A> Peace, A> Alan Ah, but Alan, all things work together to bring understanding. What shuts a door for you may open it for another. Everything is related in one way or another. It is just a matter of connecting the dots but first the dots have to be seen. If these things bother you then please consider them as aids to further your patience. No one has to believe anything or convert to anything but it is better to put what we are given to good use. That being said friend please re-read your introductory mail from the list administrators. No topic cops brother. That is also part of peace. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Bible references
Since we all have various and differing beliefs, Why don't we put this religius banter to rest on this list and get back on topic! Peace, Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Bible references Thanks for the info. It is appreciated. Brian - Original Message - From: "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems > Romans 2:13 is also applicable. It reads: "For not the hearers of the law > are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified". In > other > words it isn't those who pay lip service to the law (i.e basic human > morality) but those who practise it who are seen as just in the eyes of > God. > That means that even if you have no belief in God in terms of Christian > ideology, whether from ignorance or choice, it is your actions and not > your > beliefs that justify you. > Bob. > > --- Original Message - > From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems > > >> Romans 2:14-15 >> Luc >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:47 AM >> Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems >> >> >> > >> >> Christopher: >> >> God is not as illogical as religion would put Him. According to the >> >> Bible, >> >> even persons who never knew of God but do the right(good)thing ARE >> >> righteous >> >> regardless. >> >> >> > Christopher, >> > >> > I know of some suggestion of this in the Bible, but am unsure of where > it >> > is explicitly stated. Do you have a reference? Thanks. >> > >> > Brian >> > ___ >> > Biofuel mailing list >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel >> > >> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > >> > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): >> > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ >> > >> >> >> ___ >> Biofuel mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): >> http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ >> > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Religion/ was Titration problems
.. but being a "practicing NOTHING" in the organized "religious" area .. and having been "raised-up" in a "literalist" type biblical household (southern baptist), I now feel I'm "spiritual" .. having RUN away (fast as I can) from the "organized" churches, I'm now tying to follow my own path .. which .. if you are terribly interested is a kind of mixture of .. whatever I'm feeling that day. .. historically, Mary Magdalene wrote (quite a bit it would seem) .. and was an important part of the life of Jesus .. but there are doubts about the (historical) existence of a man called Jesus during that period. They were all a part of a sect called Essenes (sp?) .. check that out for yourselves. .. Jesus, on the cross .. gave Mary into the care of John .. Peter .. the church .. waged war against those that followed John .. some would suggest that this was the war against the "feminine" .. but wait .. there's more. For those who may be interested .. the "christian sect" that was the forerunner of the Spanish "inquisition" is alive and well.. and still practicing. The country is now Columbia .. the only county that has practicing "Shamans". The reason for the 6 pointed Star is FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST .. MOTHER, DAUGHTER, HOLY SOUL .. and no, I'm not a "feminist". I just believe in what is evident .. and that's what is called "BALANCE" .. duh!! You guys can not be .. we gals .. it's both of us together .. and it isn't a superior/inferior relationship .. it is still called "balance" .. and neither one of us is capable of "making the universe" .. much less anything else .. it's together or nothing .. it's called honor and respect .. anything less is less than balance. I've watched parts of the .. made for tv .. Roots .. back in the ?? whenever year ?? .. The part that stands out in my mind was when the author was sitting in this village listening to the "History Keeper" . That "personage of value", that individual in each and every tribe/society/group of people .. who was the keep of the "History of the People" was the standard prior to the "written word" .. They were in every society and they were there for eons of time .. try to take another look at what is called "mythology" .. a very close look. Back to" Personage of value" .. in most cases .. because Jesus "walked about" .. would have been where it was all recorded. and once it was written .. if it was written .. it would have been in the language of the people .. and that language .. a percentage of that "recorded" history before it was written would have been in Arabic and/or some sub-dialect .. perhaps many other languages and/or sub-dialects of that language in that area. So much of history was lost in "peoples" killing/war/assimilating .. oh well .. so our history goes .. and of course we are still doing that. Interestingly .. most of our knowledge of the Druids was written by the Romans .. most of our knowledge of the Aztecs was written by the Spaniards. .. and of course the history of that period concerning Jesus was written in large part, by the Romans and the "educated" Hebrews .. those that the Jesus of that day called "Pharisees". Interestingly .. Israel is now populated by Russian Jews .. these were those people converted by Catherine the Great and have nothing to do with the 12 tribes of Israel .. Oh well!! Hebrew came much later because Hebrew was the language of the elite and/or educated class .. not the language of the people. Most of what I read in the published "Christian Bible" appears to be letters concerning political concerns and/or attempts to gain some sort of "emotional" control .. neither which is a real "draw" for me. But .. at this point, I don't believe any other religious group to be much different .. If anyone has a Christian Bible with the words of Jesus in "red" .. the only conclusion would be that the man was a "mute" .. It appears to me that we have based this organized religion on what were actually letters about different political issues. While I have a "total belief" in what is "working in my life" .. I would like to thing that my "belief" isn't based upon "what someone else has told me". I like to read .. and I question what I'm hearing .. especially "what I am hearing" in one of those "organized" revival type settings .. and this will apply to both religious and/or political "gatherings". I'm leary of both. were the words of a lot of "others" .. most who appear to be struggling to gain some sort of political and/or financial control. ..and no, I'm not open for dialogue .. I would just like information about biofuel .. thanks. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities htt
RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning
hmm...the. real question is do you have, or might have or might possibly conspire anytime in the future anything on your system that a group like the NSA might even find remotely interesting? that is where I find my solice... there is just so much data that can be processedand more importantly acted on in anyway by any government agency...they just dont have the man power... they are building archives of flagged text that would take every employee in the government a hundred years to look over and make a determination if it was a lead worth following (that of course is assuming that every employee had the skills of even a mid grade intelligence analyst) for christs sakes they cant even find osama bin laden and hes got a high hit count website with tons of middle eastern ip addy's don't worry about it .. you are drowning in anonymity even if you tell them who you are... I can only imagine that it would be a maddening job as well with all of the geopolitical commentary floating around the internet... well how many key phrases from this reply are being parsed and flagged right now..bet it will be a hundred years before anyone looks...:^) and I will be long gone...worry about living .. doing good ...being creative... oh...and if agent smith from the nsa shows up on your doorstep asking about me... tell them not to bug you any more and give them my email address...that should keep them busy for a while.. there must be at least 100 messages from redflapper29 in my inbox... (oh wrong era...cold war is over damn I am getting old..:^_) hehehehe..was not quite a rant.. not quite a blog ..and not my usual professional self but it was fun... Phil On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:37:01 -0600, Mel Riser wrote: *Just because it has a key doesnt mean they can connect to your computer. * *What port do the connect on? * *Maybe they could decrypt something if they can get access to your box. But if the NSA takes physical possession of your computer, it's a LITTLE TOO LATE to wonder whether they can decrypt or read your files. * *As for accessing you machine over the net, it depends on what type of firewall you use and how you connect to the internet. * *I personally now run FireFox as I think its a better browser and not as eat up with security issues like Internet Exploder. * *I WAS the Chief Security and Technology Officer for a very large Internet Bank for 3 years and dealt with the OCC and the FDIC and the Secret Service all the time on security issues related to banking. * *http://www.fxfn.com * *http://www.webcrayon.com/resumes/melriser.html * * * *So I know a LOT about operating systems and keys and encryption. * *mel * * *-Original Message- *From: bmolloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:02 AM *To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject: [Biofuel] Windows warning * * *Hi All, * Hmmm, didn't think I'd be posting twice in one session but this one could be an important issue for some, especially if you operate on Windows. Read on. Regards, Bob. * *Subject: How NSA access was built into Windows *Date: Sunday, 26 December 2004 5:34 pm * * * 11/18/2002 Entry: "NSA BACKDOOR IN EVERY *MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM" * *How NSA access was built into Windows * *Duncan Campbell * *SLIP-UP REVEALS SUBERVERSION OF WINDOWS BY NSA. * *A careless mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA "help information" trapdoor into its Notes system, and that security functions on other software systems had been deliberately crippled. * *The first discovery of the new NSA access system was made two years ago by British researcher Dr Nicko van Someren. But it was only a few weeks ago when a second researcher rediscovered the access system. With it, he found the evidence linking it to NSA. Computer security specialists have been aware for two years that unusual features are contained inside a standard Windows software "driver" used for security and encryption functions. The driver, called ADVAPI.DLL, enables and controls a range of security functions. If you use Windows, you will find it in the C:\Windows\system directory of your computer. * *ADVAPI.DLL works closely with Microsoft Internet Explorer, but will only run crypographic functions that the US governments allows Microsoft to export. That information is bad enough news, from a European point of view. Now, it turns out that ADVAPI will run special programmes inserted and controlled by NSA. As yet, no-one knows what these programmes are, or what they do. * *Dr Nicko van So
Re: [Biofuel] "Wonderful Life" tidbitXX
- Original Message - From: "Buck Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] "Wonderful Life" tidbitXX geoarge washinaton carver bvecame fast freindss with henry fordd Now that is an interesting bit of info right there. Hmmm. and ford gave himm 30 or 40 acre3s osf land in detroait in late 30s for research lab where carver developeddd peanut aabutter,, plasticc from soybeans, plasticc from peanut hulls, kingsford charcoal, to find a disposal for alll the woooden framses the car parts came in, same name today, remembe the tan coloredd plastic dashes in thirtyies and 40s fords and mercurys, and later licensed to chryselsr and others, thats ford,carver plastic from soybeans, Amazing what one can learn hanging around here :-) Ta. Luc buck, From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] "Wonderful Life" tidbit Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:30:42 -0800 I watched "It's A W= onderful Life" for the first time in many years this season. Try to recall, if y= ou've seen it, when George (J. Stewart) and Mary (D. Reed) were on one phon= e talking to Sam in New York. Sam was pitching an investmen= t to George - do you remember - "plastics,... from soybea= ns..!" It just got my atte= ntion this time. Do you think there was research into this in the mid= '40's, or was the scriptwriter spoofing and hit it on the head, or what? Anyway - Happy New = Year, folks.Keep yer chins up. R = _ Msg sent via @bmi.net Mail v4 - http://www.bmi.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] "Wonderful Life" tidbitXX
gave himm 30 or 40 acre3s osf land in detroait in late 30s for research lab where carver developeddd peanut aabutter,, plasticc from soybeans, plasticc from peanut hulls, kingsford charcoal, to find a disposal for alll the woooden framses the car parts came in, same name today, remembe the tan coloredd plastic dashes in thirtyies and 40s fords and mercurys, and later licensed to chryselsr and others, thats ford,carver plastic from soybeans, buck, From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] "Wonderful Life" tidbit Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:30:42 -0800 I watched "It's A W= onderful Life" for the first time in many years this season. Try to recall, if y= ou've seen it, when George (J. Stewart) and Mary (D. Reed) were on one phon= e talking to Sam in New York. Sam was pitching an investmen= t to George - do you remember - "plastics,... from soybea= ns..!" It just got my atte= ntion this time. Do you think there was research into this in the mid= '40's, or was the scriptwriter spoofing and hit it on the head, or what? Anyway - Happy New = Year, folks.Keep yer chins up. R = _ Msg sent via @bmi.net Mail v4 - http://www.bmi.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ö get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems
If you don’t titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is relevant. It's all in the doing, not in the religion. All religions can get you to god, if "titrated" correctly. Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line right? -Original Message- From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems on 12/27/04 3:47 PM, bmolloy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Romans 2:13 is also applicable. etc etc Please update the Subject line when you change the Subject. I consider GOD to be ineffable, i.e., unable to be talked about. Titration, OTOH, is quite effable, and a subject of some interest to me. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning
ALL unpatched machines are vulnerable. Any unpatched computer can be taken over so easy. Regardless of the OS Including Lunux. Expecially Linux. So it's not the OS but the person taking care of it. mel -Original Message- From: DHAJOGLO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning On Monday, December 27, 2004 3:49 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > >Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:49:39 -0800 (PST) >From: Kirk McLoren >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning > >The information carried enough credibility that the >German government abandoned Microsoft. The replacement >OS, Linux, also turned out to be cheaper to support. The German Government was wise (if this is true) not because of an NSA/Microsoft hoax but rather that any savy programmer can gain access to any given windows machine at about any given time due to many many inherant flaws in the operating system. The shear quantity of exploits in the Mickeysoft (as you put it) enables anyone (NSA including) to pretty much take over any unpatched machine at will without conspiring ahead of time. > >Doesn't sound too good for Mickeysoft. Hey now... I bet Disney would take offense to that... I prefer the more degrading term of Microsux or Microsloth! hehe > >I understand Bill Gates solution was to purchase more >than 50% of Red Hat, a major distribution of Linux. > >Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] "Wonderful Life" tidbit
I watched "It's A Wnderful Life" for the first time in many years this season. Try to recall, if yu've seen it, when George (J. Stewart) and Mary (D. Reed) were on one phon talking to Sam in New York. Sam was pitching an investmen to George - do you remember - "plastics,... from soybeas..!" It just got my attetion this time. Do you think there was research into this in the mid40's, or was the scriptwriter spoofing and hit it on the head, or what? Anyway - Happy New ear, folks.Keep yer chins up. R 0D _ Msg sent via @bmi.net Mail v4 - http://www.bmi.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bible references
Brian - Original Message - From: "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems Romans 2:13 is also applicable. It reads: "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified". In other words it isn't those who pay lip service to the law (i.e basic human morality) but those who practise it who are seen as just in the eyes of God. That means that even if you have no belief in God in terms of Christian ideology, whether from ignorance or choice, it is your actions and not your beliefs that justify you. Bob. --- Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems Romans 2:14-15 Luc - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > >> Christopher: >> God is not as illogical as religion would put Him. According to the >> Bible, >> even persons who never knew of God but do the right(good)thing ARE >> righteous >> regardless. >> > Christopher, > > I know of some suggestion of this in the Bible, but am unsure of where it > is explicitly stated. Do you have a reference? Thanks. > > Brian > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
on 12/27/04 3:47 PM, bmolloy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Romans 2:13 is also applicable. etc etc Please update the Subject line when you change the Subject. I consider GOD to be ineffable, i.e., unable to be talked about. Titration, OTOH, is quite effable, and a subject of some interest to me. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
