date:20050816





Hi Joe,

Yes it is possible to scale down an anaerobic digestor to one gallon in size but you have to buffer the system quite well as early on it is predisposed to acidic buildup. Be prepared to let it run for a considerable time. In general anerobes grow 1/10 as fast as their oxygen respiring cousins. That´s also another note of caution. Oxygen in concentrations as low as 1 ppm will poison their respiratory enzymes. Now, about that buffering, you´re going to have to initially buffer the pH at about 6.8 to 7.2. The first stage of anaerobic degradation is the production of organic acids from their feedstock. This is a foodsource that´s real simple but as the name implies, in an unbufferred system, will cause the pH of the reactor to drop to the acidic side. Probably as low as 4.0. The group of ananerobes you really want to function well, the methanogens, will not grow at this pH. They need to pH to be in the 6.8 range to do their thing, which is make mostly methane and carbon dioxide with a little hydrogen. Once the methanogen population is high enough the need for buffering decreases as they consume the organic acids about as fast as they´re produced. Another little problem is temperature. I like to be around 20 C my wife at 26 Cand methanogens at 37 C. So aside from the arguments my wife and I have seasonally about the room we sleep in, the anaerobes like it tropical. They will function down to about 22 C. but their efficiency to produce gas dropsby at least half or more. I´m at home right now so when I get to work I´ll look up a recipe with the proper chemicals in it to keep the pH in the right range until your methanogens are at a high enough population. All concentrations will be in grams or milligrams per liter. A gallon is 3.875 litersfor multiplication purposes. That´s enough science for now, I´m going to prep for my fantasy football league. We´re drafting soon. If you have any idea what I´m talking about you´ll understand. If you don´t just completely disregard the last few sentences as we all have our vices.

Tom Irwin


From: Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:54:19 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gycerine digesting was washing?Thanks Tom;I did some searching months back when I read it might be possible to digest glycerine for methane production. I found surprisingly little info from anyone actually doing it! I found plans for a home size two stage aerobic / anaerobic digester here http://biorealis.com/digester/construction.html and others on JTF. Is it possible to scale it down to say a gallon size just to do a trial without investing a lot of money or does scaling introduce a problem that is not intuitively obvious?JoeTom Irwin wrote:

Hi Joe,

Well, first of all you need an anerobic digestor. The folks in India are perhaps the world leaders in this type of technology at the farm level. The simpliest one I'veseen is taking 28 meters of, I think it was, 3 mil plastic bagging material and pulling one end inside out so you have a double layer of plastic bagging 14 meters long.You dig a level ditch and put the bag into it. Tap the bag with a pipe that you can seal easily. You pipe it to the system you want to have the fuel. You fill it with a mixure of water andhorse or cow manure. This stuff hasplenty of anaerobic bacteria in it thenyou let it go to work for you. After everything is up and producing gas from animal dung,you drip feed 50 to 100 mls of the glycerine per dayfor about 8 weeks. The bacterial culture should adapt to it and then you can perhaps add a liter a day. Watch your gas production. You could produce more gas than you want or can store. An engineer can run calcualtions to let you know your exact maximum loading depending on your daily use.Some of our Indian friends online here can point you in the exact direction with plans etc. and it's probably in the archives somewhere.I suggest a search on anaerobic digestors.Since glycerine has three carbons per moleculeyou can get a maximum gas yield of three units of methane or CO2. But don't forget thosethree OH groups and 4 hydrogens per molecule. I haven't worked with anaerobic systems for 7 years. I don't remember if they will form water, free hydrogen gas or if sulfur is present hydrogen sulfide. The water of course won't burn but both H2 and H2S will. The H2S will eat up most metal burners. Definitely get more information from someone other than me. This is just a start.

Tom Irwin


From: Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:21:08 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?Can you give us details on this. Is anyone doing this currently?JoeTom Irwin wrote: 

Hi all, 

For those of you that needs it, the glycerol can alsobe converted via anaerobic digestor to methane for stoves and boilers. Not such a good idea for city folk but on the farm it should be fine.

Tom Irwin




From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To:

Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'





Hi All,

I don´t want to sound like Chicken Little and disturb anyone going about their normal lives but if this proves to be true it´s going to have a HUGE IMPACT. Those of you who live near the coast should consider moving to higher ground if you can afford to. If you can´t afford to thenbuy a boat. If I´m reading this right and I think I am, this makes that Pentagon sponsored worst case study last year... well not the worst case. This is now the worst case. Those of you getting ready to invest in solar may want to invest in wind instead. I would anticipate a lot more cloudy and rainy days during wet seasons and longer droughts. I´m telling my architect on Wednesday, to put in a cistern and rain spouting to collect all the water I can. This sounds bad, real bad. Any confirmation by other scientists and engineers on this list would be appreciated.

Tom Irwin


From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:25:21 -0300Subject: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0811-03.htmPublished on Thursday, August 11, 2005 by the Guardian/UKWarming Hits 'Tipping Point'Siberia feels the heat: A frozen peat bog the size of France and Germany combined contains billions of tonnes of greenhouse gas, and for the first time since the ice age, it is melting.By Ian SampleA vast expanse of western Siberia is undergoing an unprecedented thaw that could dramatically increase the rate of global warming, climate scientists warn today.If we don't take action very soon, we could unleash runaway global warming that will be beyond our control and it will lead to social, economic and environmental devastation worldwide.Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the EarthResearchers who have recently returned from the region found that an area of permafrost spanning a million square kilometers - the size of France and Germany combined - has started to melt for the first time since it formed 11,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age.The area, which covers the entire sub-Arctic region of western Siberia, is the world's largest frozen peat bog and scientists fear that as it thaws, it will release billions of tonnes of methane, a greenhouse gas 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide, into the atmosphere.It is a scenario climate scientists have feared since first identifying "tipping points" - delicate thresholds where a slight rise in the Earth's temperature can cause a dramatic change in the environment that itself triggers a far greater increase in global temperatures.The discovery was made by Sergei Kirpotin at Tomsk State University in western Siberia and Judith Marquand at Oxford University and is reported in New Scientist today.The researchers found that what was until recently a barren expanse of frozen peat is turning into a broken landscape of mud and lakes, some more than a kilometer across.Dr Kirpotin told the magazine the situation was an "ecological landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected to climatic warming". He added that the thaw had probably begun in the past three or four years.Climate scientists yesterday reacted with alarm to the finding, and warned that predictions of future global temperatures would have to be revised upwards."When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can end up in situations where it's unstoppable. There are no brakes you can apply," said David Viner, a senior scientist at the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia."This is a big deal because you can't put the permafrost back once it's gone. The causal effect is human activity and it will ramp up temperatures even more than our emissions are doing."In its last major report in 2001, the intergovernmental panel on climate change predicted a rise in global temperatures of 1.4C-5.8C between 1990 and 2100, but the estimate only takes account of global warming driven by known greenhouse gas emissions."These positive feedbacks with landmasses weren't known about then. They had no idea how much they would add to global warming," said Dr Viner.Western Siberia is heating up faster than anywhere else in the world, having experienced a rise of some 3C in the past 40 years. Scientists are particularly concerned about the permafrost, because as it thaws, it reveals bare ground which warms up more quickly than ice and snow, and so accelerates the rate at which the permafrost thaws.Siberia's peat bogs have been producing methane since they formed at the end of the last ice age, but most of the gas had been trapped in the permafrost. According to Larry Smith, a hydrologist at the University of California, Los Angeles, the west Siberian peat bog could hold some 70bn tons of methane, a quarter of all of the methane stored in the ground around the world.The permafrost is likely to take many decades at least to thaw, so the methane locked within it will not be released into the atmosphere in one burst,

Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'



Hi all again,

Who said that President Bush was religious? He 
cannot be, because then he would belive in 
judgement day and the way things are going, he 
will have to answer some very difficult questions.


Hakan

At 10:18 16/08/2005, you wrote:

Hi All,

I don´t want to sound like Chicken Little and 
disturb anyone going about their normal lives 
but if this proves to be true it´s going to have 
a HUGE IMPACT. Those of you who live near the 
coast should consider moving to higher ground if 
you can afford to. If you can´t afford to then 
buy a boat. If I´m reading this right and I 
think I am, this makes that Pentagon sponsored 
worst case study last year... well not the worst 
case. This is now the worst case. Those of you 
getting ready to invest in solar may want to 
invest in wind instead. I would anticipate a lot 
more cloudy and rainy days during wet seasons 
and longer droughts. I´m telling my architect on 
Wednesday, to put in a cistern and rain spouting 
to collect all the water I can. This sounds bad, 
real bad. Any confirmation by other scientists 
and engineers on this list would be appreciated.


Tom Irwin


--
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:25:21 -0300
Subject: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0811-03.htmhttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0811-03.htm
Published on Thursday, August 11, 2005 by the Guardian/UK

Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'
Siberia feels the heat: A frozen peat bog the size of France and
Germany combined contains billions of tonnes of greenhouse gas, and
for the first time since the ice age, it is melting.

By Ian Sample

A vast expanse of western Siberia is undergoing an unprecedented thaw
that could dramatically increase the rate of global warming, climate
scientists warn today.

If we don't take action very soon, we could unleash runaway global
warming that will be beyond our control and it will lead to social,
economic and environmental devastation worldwide.

Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth
Researchers who have recently returned from the region found that an
area of permafrost spanning a million square kilometers - the size of
France and Germany combined - has started to melt for the first time
since it formed 11,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age.

The area, which covers the entire sub-Arctic region of western
Siberia, is the world's largest frozen peat bog and scientists fear
that as it thaws, it will release billions of tonnes of methane, a
greenhouse gas 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide, into the
atmosphere.

It is a scenario climate scientists have feared since first
identifying tipping points - delicate thresholds where a slight
rise in the Earth's temperature can cause a dramatic change in the
environment that itself triggers a far greater increase in global
temperatures.

The discovery was made by Sergei Kirpotin at Tomsk State University
in western Siberia and Judith Marquand at Oxford University and is
reported in New Scientist today.

The researchers found that what was until recently a barren expanse
of frozen peat is turning into a broken landscape of mud and lakes,
some more than a kilometer across.

Dr Kirpotin told the magazine the situation was an ecological
landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected
to climatic warming. He added that the thaw had probably begun in
the past three or four years.

Climate scientists yesterday reacted with alarm to the finding, and
warned that predictions of future global temperatures would have to
be revised upwards.

When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can
end up in situations where it's unstoppable. There are no brakes you
can apply, said David Viner, a senior scientist at the Climatic
Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

This is a big deal because you can't put the permafrost back once
it's gone. The causal effect is human activity and it will ramp up
temperatures even more than our emissions are doing.

In its last major report in 2001, the intergovernmental panel on
climate change predicted a rise in global temperatures of 1.4C-5.8C
between 1990 and 2100, but the estimate only takes account of global
warming driven by known greenhouse gas emissions.

These positive feedbacks with landmasses weren't known about then.
They had no idea how much they would add to global warming, said Dr
Viner.

Western Siberia is heating up faster than anywhere else in the world,
having experienced a rise of some 3C in the past 40 years. Scientists
are particularly concerned about the permafrost, because as it thaws,
it reveals bare ground which warms up more quickly than ice and snow,
and so accelerates the rate at which the permafrost thaws.

Siberia's peat bogs have been producing methane since they formed at
the end of the last ice age, but most of the gas had been trapped in
the permafrost. According to

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country



Bob,

Thanks for your concerns about me.

Yes you are right, there are many who has the capacity to compensate 
lack of direct experience, with education and enough imagination. 
There are many good places in the world, as I said, and we only 
have to work hard on making more of them. To belive that this in any 
way can be done with the help of weapons, is utterly stupid. It is 
nothing that will be more destructive and more hated, than 
liberators that has killed members of your family and/or your 
friends. As I now live in Spain and married with a Catalan women, I 
often see that the effects of the 1936 to 1939 civil war still are 
lingering. I heard about it before, but did not think that it would 
be so real for so many, who's parents were not even born at that time.


To belive that US will get out of Iraq, without being deeply hated 
the next 50-100 years, is not only ignorant, but also utterly stupid. 
After all they have personally killed around 300,000 Iraqis and was 
behind the Iraq - Iran war, with around an other million dead. 
History will not be kind to US, the Americans and President Bush. 
Where do the Americans get those unreal and sick leaders from, 
including guys like Rumsfelt? It is amazing!!


Hakan

At 03:27 16/08/2005, you wrote:

Hakan,
Well said, and most appropriate. But may I respectfully note that 
like all generalizations, there are many exceptions  to the general 
rule (that lack of international experience leads to a closed mind). 
Example: Although I, along with many of my friends,  have zero 
international living experience (except through reading and the 
media), and although we do enjoy living in the US with all its 
faults (of which we are painfully aware), there are many other 
countries I think we would enjoy living in  - Sweden might be such 
an enjoyable place, for instance. Far from finding Sweden's 
socialist form of government abhorrent, there are many of us who 
would like to see more of it in the US. There's a world of 
difference between chauvinism and patriotism


I do read and enjoy your perceptive and sensitive writings, and I do 
want to tell you how sorry I was to learn of your experience with 
the criminal elements. May this be your last contact with them.


Regards,

Bob Adams
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country




Earl,

Why I asked?

I am Swedish and have lived and worked in 8 countries including US, 
worked in 25 and visited 60+ more. I found many things that I liked 
and some things that I disliked in all of them. I can make myself 
understood in 5 languages, not including the Danish and Norweigian 
which are very close to Swedish.


A big majority in all countries, are very proud of their country 
and would not want to live anywhere else. The less international 
experiences they have, the more staunch their opinions are. The 
Americans do not want to live anywhere else and especially not in a 
country like the socialist Sweden. The Swedes do not want to live 
anywhere else and especially not the undemocratic US, where money 
is the only power. Yet, I have never found any countries that has 
so much in common as US and Sweden, this even if Sweden have a 
higher general living standard, according to UN and US statistic. 
That is also why Americans who live in Sweden generally like it 
very much and the same for Swedes who live in US.


What I want to get to, is that you should avoid to have those 
unqualified opinions about other countries. It is amazing how a 
little bit international experiences can make you more humble and 
appreciate that we are all people that basically like each other, 
once when we get the opportunity to meet. There are also many very 
good places to live, independent of what you think of their political label.


Visited Vietnam last year and it was amazing how Americanized and 
unsafe the south still was, compared to the north. As a whole, it 
was a very positive experience and interesting to see the places 
that I for years followed in the news. They  will develop fast and 
in a positive direction.


Hakan


At 17:16 13/08/2005, you wrote:

Keith,

I think you are confusing what I said.  I perfectly agreed with 
you that the U.S. is not a charitable organization, and does take 
much more than it gives (here and abroad).  I can't speak for 
other developing nations, as I have only lived in the U.S. 
(answering Harkan's question in another email).  But I expect you 
are correct about that too.  And the end result is an even bigger 
gap between the haves and the have-nots.


The charity I was referring to is when individuals like your or I 
give something (money, food, clothing, medicine, etc.) to someone 
else, without expecting anything in return.  It would be nice to 
know that if I send a dollar to help provide clean water to a 
village in Sudan, that 90 cents isn't

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country





Hi Hakan,

We get those wonderful leaders from corporations and the military. The ones in the military are actually the pacifists since they´re actually been shot at and seen friends die forAmerica Inc.

Tom


From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:04:07 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/CountryBob,Thanks for your concerns about me.Yes you are right, there are many who has the capacity to compensate lack of direct experience, with education and enough imagination. There are many good places in the world, as I said, and we "only" have to work hard on making more of them. To belive that this in any way can be done with the help of weapons, is utterly stupid. It is nothing that will be more destructive and more hated, than "liberators" that has killed members of your family and/or your friends. As I now live in Spain and married with a Catalan women, I often see that the effects of the 1936 to 1939 civil war still are lingering. I heard about it before, but did not think that it would be so real for so many, who's parents were not even born at that time.To belive that US will get out of Iraq, without being deeply hated the next 50-100 years, is not only ignorant, but also utterly stupid. After all they have personally killed around 300,000 Iraqis and was behind the Iraq - Iran war, with around an other million dead. History will not be kind to US, the Americans and President Bush. Where do the Americans get those unreal and sick leaders from, including guys like Rumsfelt? It is amazing!!HakanAt 03:27 16/08/2005, you wrote:Hakan,Well said, and most appropriate. But may I respectfully note that like all generalizations, there are many exceptions to the general rule (that lack of international experience leads to a closed mind). Example: Although I, along with many of my friends, have zero international living experience (except through reading and the media), and although we do enjoy living in the US with all its faults (of which we are painfully aware), there are many other countries I think we would enjoy living in - Sweden might be such an enjoyable place, for instance. Far from finding Sweden's socialist form of government abhorrent, there are many of us who would like to see more of it in the US. There's a world of difference between chauvinism and patriotismI do read and enjoy your perceptive and sensitive writings, and I do want to tell you how sorry I was to learn of your experience with the criminal elements. May this be your last contact with them.Regards,Bob Adams- Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:00 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/CountryEarl,Why I asked?I am Swedish and have lived and worked in 8 countries including US, worked in 25 and visited 60+ more. I found many things that I liked and some things that I disliked in all of them. I can make myself understood in 5 languages, not including the Danish and Norweigian which are very close to Swedish.A big majority in all countries, are very proud of their country and would not want to live anywhere else. The less international experiences they have, the more staunch their opinions are. The Americans do not want to live anywhere else and especially not in a country like the "socialist" Sweden. The Swedes do not want to live anywhere else and especially not the undemocratic US, where money is the only power. Yet, I have never found any countries that has so much in common as US and Sweden, this even if Sweden have a higher general living standard, according to UN and US statistic. That is also why Americans who live in Sweden generally like it very much and the same for Swedes who live in US.What I want to get to, is that you should avoid to have those unqualified opinions about other countries. It is amazing how a little bit international experiences can make you more humble and appreciate that we are all people that basically like each other, once when we get the opportunity to meet. There are also many very good places to live, independent of what you think of their political label.Visited Vietnam last year and it was amazing how Americanized and unsafe the south still was, compared to the north. As a whole, it was a very positive experience and interesting to see the places that I for years followed in the news. They will develop fast and in a positive direction.HakanAt 17:16 13/08/2005, you wrote:Keith,I think you are confusing what I said. I perfectly agreed with you that the U.S. is not a charitable organization, and does take much more than it gives (here and abroad). I can't speak for other developing nations, as I have only lived in the U.S. (answering Harkan's question in another email). But I expect you are correct about that too. And the end result is an even bigger gap between the haves and the have-nots.The charity I was referring to is when

Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'





Hi Again,

Careful Hakan, we´re talking fundamental Baptist of the born again variety. I come from Methodist stock. A fine Presbiterian minister in literature once characterised us asBaptists who can read. Bush might be one of those pushing for judgement day since he and his flock have already been saved while the rest of us are going to hell. Of course, my idea of hell is having the most powerfully armed country in the world run by fanactical Baptists.As I´m living in hell already there is little for me to fear.

Tom Irwin



From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:36:50 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'Hi all again,Who said that President Bush was religious? He cannot be, because then he would belive in judgement day and the way things are going, he will have to answer some very difficult questions.HakanAt 10:18 16/08/2005, you wrote:Hi All,I don´t want to sound like Chicken Little and disturb anyone going about their normal lives but if this proves to be true it´s going to have a HUGE IMPACT. Those of you who live near the coast should consider moving to higher ground if you can afford to. If you can´t afford to then buy a boat. If I´m reading this right and I think I am, this makes that Pentagon sponsored worst case study last year... well not the worst case. This is now the worst case. Those of you getting ready to invest in solar may want to invest in wind instead. I would anticipate a lot more cloudy and rainy days during wet seasons and longer droughts. I´m telling my architect on Wednesday, to put in a cistern and rain spouting to collect all the water I can. This sounds bad, real bad. Any confirmation by other scientists and engineers on this list would be appreciated.Tom Irwin--From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:25:21 -0300Subject: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0811-03.htmPublished on Thursday, August 11, 2005 by the Guardian/UKWarming Hits 'Tipping Point'Siberia feels the heat: A frozen peat bog the size of France andGermany combined contains billions of tonnes of greenhouse gas, andfor the first time since the ice age, it is melting.By Ian SampleA vast expanse of western Siberia is undergoing an unprecedented thawthat could dramatically increase the rate of global warming, climatescientists warn today.If we don't take action very soon, we could unleash runaway globalwarming that will be beyond our control and it will lead to social,economic and environmental devastation worldwide.Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the EarthResearchers who have recently returned from the region found that anarea of permafrost spanning a million square kilometers - the size ofFrance and Germany combined - has started to melt for the first timesince it formed 11,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age.The area, which covers the entire sub-Arctic region of westernSiberia, is the world's largest frozen peat bog and scientists fearthat as it thaws, it will release billions of tonnes of methane, agreenhouse gas 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide, into theatmosphere.It is a scenario climate scientists have feared since firstidentifying "tipping points" - delicate thresholds where a slightrise in the Earth's temperature can cause a dramatic change in theenvironment that itself triggers a far greater increase in globaltemperatures.The discovery was made by Sergei Kirpotin at Tomsk State Universityin western Siberia and Judith Marquand at Oxford University and isreported in New Scientist today.The researchers found that what was until recently a barren expanseof frozen peat is turning into a broken landscape of mud and lakes,some more than a kilometer across.Dr Kirpotin told the magazine the situation was an "ecologicallandslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connectedto climatic warming". He added that the thaw had probably begun inthe past three or four years.Climate scientists yesterday reacted with alarm to the finding, andwarned that predictions of future global temperatures would have tobe revised upwards."When you start messing around with these natural systems, you canend up in situations where it's unstoppable. There are no brakes youcan apply," said David Viner, a senior scientist at the ClimaticResearch Unit at the University of East Anglia."This is a big deal because you can't put the permafrost back onceit's gone. The causal effect is human activity and it will ramp uptemperatures even more than our emissions are doing."In its last major report in 2001, the intergovernmental panel onclimate change predicted a rise in global temperatures of 1.4C-5.8Cbetween 1990 and 2100, but the estimate only takes account of globalwarming driven by known greenhouse gas emissions."These positive feedbacks with landmasses weren't known about then.They had no idea how much they would add

Re: [Biofuel] washing?


Hi Joe,

Well, first of all you need an anerobic digestor. The folks in India 
are perhaps the world leaders in this type of technology at the farm 
level. The simpliest one I've seen is taking 28 meters of, I think 
it was, 3 mil plastic bagging material


Not Indian. This type of digester was developed by Reg Preston and 
others in Latin America. It's one type of digester, whether it's the 
most suitable type or not for a particular application is another 
matter.


http://www.fao.org/WAICENT/FAOINFO/AGRICULT/AGA/AGAP/FRG/Recycle/biodi 
g/manual.htm

Biodigester installation manual
Lylian Rodriguez and T R Preston
University of Tropical Agriculture Foundation
Finca Ecologica, University of Agriculture and Forestry,
Thu Duc, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ibs/info/ecuador/install-polydig.htm
HOW TO INSTALL A POLYETHYLENE BIOGAS PLANT
By
Francisco X. Aguilar
Agronomic Engineer
MSc Sustainable Agricultural Systems
The Royal Agricultural College Cirencester

This is an excellent resource, from the German Appropriate Technology
and Ecoefficiency Programme (GATE):

http://www5.gtz.de/gate/techinfo/biogas/toc.html
AT Information - Biogas Digest: Index

and pulling one end inside out so you have a double layer of plastic 
bagging 14 meters long. You dig a level ditch and put the bag into 
it. Tap the bag with a pipe that you can seal easily. You pipe it to 
the system you want to have the fuel. You fill it with a mixure of 
water and horse or cow manure. This stuff has plenty of anaerobic 
bacteria in it then you let it go to work for you. After everything 
is up and producing gas from animal dung, you drip feed 50 to 100 
mls of the glycerine per day for about 8 weeks. The bacterial 
culture should adapt to it and then you can perhaps add a liter a 
day. Watch your gas production. You could produce more gas than you 
want or can store.


Use truck inner tubes.

An engineer can run calcualtions to let you know your exact maximum 
loading depending on your daily use. 


No need.

Some of our Indian friends online here can point you in the exact 
direction with plans etc. and it's probably in the archives 
somewhere. 


Naturally!

Biogas developments in Nepal might be more applicable.

I suggest a search on anaerobic digestors. Since glycerine has three 
carbons per molecule you can get a maximum gas yield of three units 
of methane or CO2.


You miss the crucial point that the by-product from home biodiesel 
production is not only glycerine, it qalso contains the lye catalyst 
and lots of soap, if not most of the excess methanol too. See 
yesterday's message:


http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 
5-August/002675.html

[Biofuel] washing?

By the way, there were SIX sets of footers on your message, and most 
of the previous messages were irrelevant. SNIP!!! if you please!


Keith


But don't forget those three OH groups and 4 hydrogens per molecule. 
I haven't worked with anaerobic systems for 7 years. I don't 
remember if they will form water, free hydrogen gas or if sulfur is 
present  hydrogen sulfide. The water of course won't burn but both 
H2 and H2S will. The H2S will eat up most metal burners. Definitely 
get more information from someone other than me. This is just a 
start.


Tom Irwin


From: Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:21:08 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?

Can you give us details on this.  Is anyone doing this currently?

Joe

Tom Irwin wrote:


Hi all,

For those of you that needs it, the glycerol can also be converted 
via anaerobic digestor to methane for stoves and boilers. Not such 
a good idea for city folk but on the farm it should be fine.


Tom Irwin


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Re: [Biofuel] de-polymerizing cellulose not practical at this point

2005-08-16 Thread Ken Gotberg

Brian

You should consider turning the trees into pellets.  There is a lot of
info on this from Danish and Swedish websites.  Let someone else mess
with boilers etc.

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Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country



Tom,

I had no idea that Bush jr had been shot at and 
seen friends die for America. Nobody told me that 
Rumsfelt had an extinguish military career, but 
it is possible. Powell, that I like a lot, I know 
was a military, but it looked like he had trouble 
with his colleagues, maybe he is the one who 
provided for the shooting at Bush? This girl who 
got Powell's job, looks like a military, but I 
thought that she was a university professor. You 
have to excuse us foreigners who know so little about US leaders.


Then the view about fuel economy is 
understandable, anything with little less mpg 
than a Hummer, must be a wonder of efficiency. 
Anything with better insulation than a tent, must 
look as the technology that would save us from 
Global Warming. Considering the living 
conditioning in military tents, must also make it 
difficult to belive in the concept of Global Warming.


If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not 
like to be sued for telling my honest opinion or 
my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does 
however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to 
the people. Wonder from which industries they are coming?


Hakan

At 11:20 16/08/2005, you wrote:

Hi Hakan,

We get those wonderful leaders from corporations 
and the military. The ones in the military are 
actually the pacifists since they´re actually 
been shot at and seen friends die for America Inc.


Tom


--
From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:04:07 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country


Bob,

Thanks for your concerns about me.

Yes you are right, there are many who has the capacity to compensate
lack of direct experience, with education and enough imagination.
There are many good places in the world, as I said, and we only
have to work hard on making more of them. To belive that this in any
way can be done with the help of weapons, is utterly stupid. It is
nothing that will be more destructive and more hated, than
liberators that has killed members of your family and/or your
friends. As I now live in Spain and married with a Catalan women, I
often see that the effects of the 1936 to 1939 civil war still are
lingering. I heard about it before, but did not think that it would
be so real for so many, who's parents were not even born at that time.

To belive that US will get out of Iraq, without being deeply hated
the next 50-100 years, is not only ignorant, but also utterly stupid.
After all they have personally killed around 300,000 Iraqis and was
behind the Iraq - Iran war, with around an other million dead.
History will not be kind to US, the Americans and President Bush.
Where do the Americans get those unreal and sick leaders from,
including guys like Rumsfelt? It is amazing!!

Hakan

At 03:27 16/08/2005, you wrote:
Hakan,
Well said, and most appropriate. But may I respectfully note that
like all generalizations, there are many exceptions to the general
rule (that lack of international experience leads to a closed mind).
Example: Although I, along with many of my friends, have zero
international living experience (except through reading and the
media), and although we do enjoy living in the US with all its
faults (of which we are painfully aware), there are many other
countries I think we would enjoy living in - Sweden might be such
an enjoyable place, for instance. Far from finding Sweden's
socialist form of government abhorrent, there are many of us who
would like to see more of it in the US. There's a world of
difference between chauvinism and patriotism

I do read and enjoy your perceptive and sensitive writings, and I do
want to tell you how sorry I was to learn of your experience with
the criminal elements. May this be your last contact with them.

Regards,

Bob Adams
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country



Earl,

Why I asked?

I am Swedish and have lived and worked in 8 countries including US,
worked in 25 and visited 60+ more. I found many things that I liked
and some things that I disliked in all of them. I can make myself
understood in 5 languages, not including the Danish and Norweigian
which are very close to Swedish.

A big majority in all countries, are very proud of their country
and would not want to live anywhere else. The less international
experiences they have, the more staunch their opinions are. The
Americans do not want to live anywhere else and especially not in a
country like the socialist Sweden. The Swedes do not want to live
anywhere else and especially not the undemocratic US, where money
is the only power. Yet, I have never found any countries that has
so much in common as US and Sweden, this even if Sweden have a
higher general living standard, according to UN and US statistic.
That is also why Americans who live in Sweden generally like it
very much and the same for Swedes who live in US.

Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'



Tom,

I see your point and it explains a lot.

Hakan

At 11:38 16/08/2005, you wrote:

Hi Again,

Careful Hakan, we´re talking fundamental Baptist 
of the born again variety. I come from Methodist 
stock. A fine Presbiterian minister in 
literature once characterised us as Baptists who 
can read. Bush might be one of those pushing for 
judgement day since he and his flock have 
already been saved while the rest of us are 
going to hell. Of course, my idea of hell is 
having the most powerfully armed country in the 
world run by fanactical Baptists. As I´m living 
in hell already there is little for me to fear.


Tom Irwin



--
From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:36:50 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'


Hi all again,

Who said that President Bush was religious? He
cannot be, because then he would belive in
judgement day and the way things are going, he
will have to answer some very difficult questions.

Hakan

At 10:18 16/08/2005, you wrote:
Hi All,

I don´t want to sound like Chicken Little and
disturb anyone going about their normal lives
but if this proves to be true it´s going to have
a HUGE IMPACT. Those of you who live near the
coast should consider moving to higher ground if
you can afford to. If you can´t afford to then
buy a boat. If I´m reading this right and I
think I am, this makes that Pentagon sponsored
worst case study last year... well not the worst
case. This is now the worst case. Those of you
getting ready to invest in solar may want to
invest in wind instead. I would anticipate a lot
more cloudy and rainy days during wet seasons
and longer droughts. I´m telling my architect on
Wednesday, to put in a cistern and rain spouting
to collect all the water I can. This sounds bad,
real bad. Any confirmation by other scientists
and engineers on this list would be appreciated.

Tom Irwin


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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:25:21 -0300
Subject: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0811-0 
3.htmhttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0811-03.htm

Published on Thursday, August 11, 2005 by the Guardian/UK

Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'
Siberia feels the heat: A frozen peat bog the size of France and
Germany combined contains billions of tonnes of greenhouse gas, and
for the first time since the ice age, it is melting.

By Ian Sample

A vast expanse of western Siberia is undergoing an unprecedented thaw
that could dramatically increase the rate of global warming, climate
scientists warn today.

If we don't take action very soon, we could unleash runaway global
warming that will be beyond our control and it will lead to social,
economic and environmental devastation worldwide.

Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth
Researchers who have recently returned from the region found that an
area of permafrost spanning a million square kilometers - the size of
France and Germany combined - has started to melt for the first time
since it formed 11,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age.

The area, which covers the entire sub-Arctic region of western
Siberia, is the world's largest frozen peat bog and scientists fear
that as it thaws, it will release billions of tonnes of methane, a
greenhouse gas 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide, into the
atmosphere.

It is a scenario climate scientists have feared since first
identifying tipping points - delicate thresholds where a slight
rise in the Earth's temperature can cause a dramatic change in the
environment that itself triggers a far greater increase in global
temperatures.

The discovery was made by Sergei Kirpotin at Tomsk State University
in western Siberia and Judith Marquand at Oxford University and is
reported in New Scientist today.

The researchers found that what was until recently a barren expanse
of frozen peat is turning into a broken landscape of mud and lakes,
some more than a kilometer across.

Dr Kirpotin told the magazine the situation was an ecological
landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected
to climatic warming. He added that the thaw had probably begun in
the past three or four years.

Climate scientists yesterday reacted with alarm to the finding, and
warned that predictions of future global temperatures would have to
be revised upwards.

When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can
end up in situations where it's unstoppable. There are no brakes you
can apply, said David Viner, a senior scientist at the Climatic
Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

This is a big deal because you can't put the permafrost back once
it's gone. The causal effect is human activity and it will ramp up
temperatures even more than our emissions are doing.

In its last major report in 2001, the intergovernmental panel on
climate change predicted a rise in global

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country





Hi Hakan,

You are talking about the chicken hawks. Bush II had poppy get him out of any possible trip to Viet Nam. Rummy never went to my knowledge and Mr VP got his wife knocked up to extend his deferment. Powell served and was shot at. He's seen first hand what war is all about and of course is no longer in the administration. I can't tell you much about Condi except she used to work for Chevron. They named a tanker after her. Most of the present administration is tied to big oil or big energy either directly of indirectly. It wouldn't surprise me if $100,000 or so goes into somebody's bank account each time one of our soldiers gets killed or maimed. You can be sure that account does not belong to the poorsoldiers family.

Tom


From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:36:27 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/CountryTom,I had no idea that Bush jr had been shot at and seen friends die for America. Nobody told me that Rumsfelt had an extinguish military career, but it is possible. Powell, that I like a lot, I know was a military, but it looked like he had trouble with his colleagues, maybe he is the one who provided for the shooting at Bush? This girl who got Powell's job, looks like a military, but I thought that she was a university professor. You have to excuse us foreigners who know so little about US leaders.Then the view about fuel economy is understandable, anything with little less mpg than a Hummer, must be a wonder of efficiency. Anything with better insulation than a tent, must look as the technology that would save us from Global Warming. Considering the living conditioning in military tents, must also make it difficult to belive in the concept of Global Warming.If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not like to be sued for telling my honest opinion or my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to the people. Wonder from which industries they are coming?HakanAt 11:20 16/08/2005, you wrote:Hi Hakan,We get those wonderful leaders from corporations and the military. The ones in the military are actually the pacifists since they´re actually been shot at and seen friends die for America Inc.Tom--From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:04:07 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/CountryBob,Thanks for your concerns about me.Yes you are right, there are many who has the capacity to compensatelack of direct experience, with education and enough imagination.There are many good places in the world, as I said, and we "only"have to work hard on making more of them. To belive that this in anyway can be done with the help of weapons, is utterly stupid. It isnothing that will be more destructive and more hated, than"liberators" that has killed members of your family and/or yourfriends. As I now live in Spain and married with a Catalan women, Ioften see that the effects of the 1936 to 1939 civil war still arelingering. I heard about it before, but did not think that it wouldbe so real for so many, who's parents were not even born at that time.To belive that US will get out of Iraq, without being deeply hatedthe next 50-100 years, is not only ignorant, but also utterly stupid.After all they have personally killed around 300,000 Iraqis and wasbehind the Iraq - Iran war, with around an other million dead.History will not be kind to US, the Americans and President Bush.Where do the Americans get those unreal and sick leaders from,including guys like Rumsfelt? It is amazing!!HakanAt 03:27 16/08/2005, you wrote: Hakan, Well said, and most appropriate. But may I respectfully note that like all generalizations, there are many exceptions to the general rule (that lack of international experience leads to a closed mind). Example: Although I, along with many of my friends, have zero international living experience (except through reading and the media), and although we do enjoy living in the US with all its faults (of which we are painfully aware), there are many other countries I think we would enjoy living in - Sweden might be such an enjoyable place, for instance. Far from finding Sweden's socialist form of government abhorrent, there are many of us who would like to see more of it in the US. There's a world of difference between chauvinism and patriotism  I do read and enjoy your perceptive and sensitive writings, and I do want to tell you how sorry I was to learn of your experience with the criminal elements. May this be your last contact with them.  Regards,  Bob Adams - Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/CountryEarl,  Why I asked?  I am Swedish and have lived and worked in 8 countries including US, worked in 25 and visited 60+ more. I found many things that I liked and some things that I disliked in all

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-16 Thread Garth Kim Travis


Greetings Hakan,

Lying in corporations is standard practice in North America.  The normal 
lie that is real common is: 'Anyone can shut down a job for safety 
reasons.'  I have heard this in many corporations in Canada and the US, but 
I have also seen what happens when someone tries to shut down a job for 
safety reasons.  Either they are ignored and the job continues in an unsafe 
manor or the person very quickly finds themselves in the unemployment line.


Corporate image and the image of being a good corporate citizen is what the 
companies care about, the reality does not have to live up to it, if they 
have spent enough money publicizing their corporate image.


Start work at 16 and by the time you are 20, you have this figured 
out.  The challenge is to figure out which part of the companies spin, they 
actually care about.  Then you know which sacred cow not to damage.  Me, I 
couldn't stand it, so I have been self employed most of my life.


Not all corporations are like this, and the smaller the company, the less 
likely this is.  But one does not go into politics as a rule from small 
business.


The oil industry is especially ripe with type of behavior.

Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 07:36 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote:
If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not like to be sued for telling 
my honest opinion or my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does 
however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to the people. Wonder from 
which industries they are coming?


Hakan




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Re: [Biofuel] Honda Civic MPG

2005-08-16 Thread Joe Street

Point number 6 is a good one.  I forgot to mention the one weakness of 
the Honda civic.  There are little slider clips on the brake pads that 
get fouled up with brake dust and road grime.  These must be cleaned 
regularly or the pads will not release properly when you release the 
brakes.  I cleaned mine twice yearly and put some colloidal graphite on 
the clips before reassembly.  I have a friend who did not do this and he 
actually overheated his front brake and warped a rotor on one side.  Of 
course it would be affecting fuel mileage long before that happened.


Joe

Randall wrote:


A few questions I would ask are:

1)  Is the Civic automatic or manual transmission...if automatic, is 
it shifting correctly through all gears?  If manual, is the clutch 
slipping?

2)  Do you have the correct sized tires on the Civic?
3)  Is the speedometer/odometer calibrated correctly?
4)  How many miles are on the Civic?
5)  Does the Civic use a lot of oil?
6)  Do you know if the brakes are dragging on the Civic?  How are the 
bearings and CV joints?
7)  Do you have AC on the Civic?  10hp is not much to a 300hp engine, 
but it is a LOT to a 100HP motor!!



--Randall
Charlotte, NC


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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:29 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Honda Civic MPG




One thing not discussed previously is tire pressure.  Low tire pressure
can cause drastic loss of mpg.  Just because an engine is 100 HP does
not mean it needs to output the full 100HP.  Once the vehicle is up to
speed then, as previously stated, you only need to only overcome
friction.  The newer Caddie must be more efficient.  Just because your
engine is smaller does not automatically make it more efficient.  Look
at the old VW Bugs.  In the '70s we thought them to be 'economical'.
Now, those bugs only get 18-19 mpg.

NDK


I am 18 and not sure where I want to go to college. I might take the
year off, as it is so late to be signing up. My question for everyone
is, does anyone here know of some good colleges, preferably in the New
England area, that have specialty biofuel(or related) courses? That
would be a great help to me.  Also, I wanted to add an amazing
discovery/question that I found this past week. I drive a 1992 honda
civic. I just did a full tune up, including O2 sensor, plugs, wires,
cap  rotor, etc. I drove from FL to MA, and i got about 23 MPG. This
is in a 1.5L engine in a  car weighing maybe 1600 lbs fully loaded
with 106 base HP. I then drove my father's car south( a 2000 Cadillac
Deville), from Ma to FL, and got an amazing surprise : his 4.6L
American engine with about 300 base HP pulling a car weighing maybe
3000Lbs empty got  28MPG. I also found that in the city, his car's
gas mileage was 18 MPG, where mine is about 13. Now I admit to owning
a foot of lead, but does anyone know how this is possible as i drove
both vehicles, and with regular gas? The calculations were correct for
MPG. Any input would be appreciated. ~ Paul

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Re: [Biofuel] Gycerine digesting was washing?

2005-08-16 Thread Joe Street





Hi Tom;

I really appreciate the information and time you are giving to this. 
Just so you know we Canadians ( even though according to a previous
post we are considered a backwater of almost third world status   eh?)
we are savvy on celsius, grams and liters.  So no need to explain the
gallons.  lol. So I guess the alkalinity of the wash water could serve
as a buffer agent for the purposes you mentioned.  Serendipitous!
As far as the fantasy football..well I guess I tend to fantasize
about other things but whatever.

Cheers
Joe

Tom Irwin wrote:

  
  
  Hi Joe,
   
  Yes it is possible to scale down an anaerobic digestor to one
gallon in size but you have to buffer the system quite well as early on
it is predisposed to acidic buildup. Be prepared to let it run for a
considerable time. In general anerobes grow  1/10 as fast as their
oxygen respiring cousins. That´s also another note of caution. Oxygen
in concentrations as low as 1 ppm will poison their respiratory
enzymes. Now, about that buffering, you´re going to have to initially
buffer the pH at about 6.8 to 7.2. The first stage of anaerobic
degradation is the production of organic acids from their feedstock.
This is a foodsource that´s real simple but as the name implies, in an
unbufferred system, will cause the pH of the reactor to drop to the
acidic side. Probably as low as 4.0. The group of ananerobes you really
want to function well, the methanogens, will not grow at this pH. They
need to pH to be in the 6.8 range to do their thing, which is make
mostly methane and carbon dioxide with a little hydrogen. Once the
methanogen population is high enough the need for buffering decreases
as they consume the organic acids about as fast as they´re produced.
Another little problem is temperature. I like to be around 20 C my wife
at 26 C and methanogens at 37 C.  So aside from the arguments my wife
and I have seasonally about the room we sleep in, the anaerobes like it
tropical. They will function down to about 22 C. but their efficiency
to produce gas drops by at least half or more. I´m at home right now so
when I get to work I´ll look up a recipe with the proper chemicals in
it to keep the pH in the right range until your methanogens are at a
high enough population. All concentrations will be in grams or
milligrams per liter. A gallon is 3.875 liters for multiplication
purposes. That´s enough science for now, I´m going to prep for my
fantasy football league. We´re drafting soon. If you have any idea what
I´m talking about you´ll understand. If you don´t just completely
disregard the last few sentences as we all have our vices.
   
  Tom Irwin
  
  
From: Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:54:19 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gycerine digesting was washing?

Thanks Tom;

I did some searching months back when I read it might be possible to
digest glycerine for methane production.  I found surprisingly little
info from anyone actually doing it!  I found plans for a home size two
stage aerobic / anaerobic digester here   http://biorealis.com/digester/construction.html 
and others on JTF.  Is it possible to scale it down to say a gallon
size just to do a trial without investing a lot of money or does
scaling introduce a problem that is not intuitively obvious?

Joe

Tom Irwin wrote:

  Hi Joe,
   
  Well, first of all you need an anerobic digestor. The folks
in India are perhaps the world leaders in this type of technology at
the farm level. The simpliest one I've seen is taking 28 meters of, I
think it was, 3 mil plastic bagging material and pulling one end inside
out so you have a double layer of plastic bagging 14 meters long. You
dig a level ditch and put the bag into it. Tap the bag with a pipe that
you can seal easily. You pipe it to the system you want to have the
fuel. You fill it with a mixure of water and horse or cow manure. This
stuff has plenty of anaerobic bacteria in it then you let it go to work
for you. After everything is up and producing gas from animal dung, you
drip feed 50 to 100 mls of the glycerine per day for about 8 weeks. The
bacterial culture should adapt to it and then you can perhaps add a
liter a day. Watch your gas production. You could produce more gas than
you want or can store. An engineer can run calcualtions to let you know
your exact maximum loading depending on your daily use. Some of our
Indian friends online here can point you in the exact direction with
plans etc. and it's probably in the archives somewhere. I suggest a
search on anaerobic digestors. Since glycerine has three carbons per
molecule you can get a maximum gas yield of three units of methane or
CO2. But don't forget those three OH groups and 4 hydrogens per
molecule. I haven't worked with anaerobic systems for 7 years. I don't
remember if they will form water, free hydrogen gas or if sulfur is
present  hydrogen sulfide. The water of

Re: [Biofuel] Gycerine digesting was washing?





Hi Joe,

I could have mentioned fantasy ice hockey since that's pretty much all we had last season. I'm still quite surprised that the " Free Stanley" campaign did not work. Made sense to me but I guess not to the NHL.

Tom



From: Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:45:03 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gycerine digesting was washing?Hi Tom;I really appreciate the information and time you are giving to this. Just so you know we Canadians ( even though according to a previous post we are considered a backwater of almost third world status eh?) we are savvy on celsius, grams and liters. So no need to explain the gallons. lol. So I guess the alkalinity of the wash water could serve as a buffer agent for the purposes you mentioned. Serendipitous!As far as the fantasy football..well I guess I tend to fantasize about other things but whatever.CheersJoeTom Irwin wrote:

Hi Joe,

Yes it is possible to scale down an anaerobic digestor to one gallon in size but you have to buffer the system quite well as early on it is predisposed to acidic buildup. Be prepared to let it run for a considerable time. In general anerobes grow 1/10 as fast as their oxygen respiring cousins. That´s also another note of caution. Oxygen in concentrations as low as 1 ppm will poison their respiratory enzymes. Now, about that buffering, you´re going to have to initially buffer the pH at about 6.8 to 7.2. The first stage of anaerobic degradation is the production of organic acids from their feedstock. This is a foodsource that´s real simple but as the name implies, in an unbufferred system, will cause the pH of the reactor to drop to the acidic side. Probably as low as 4.0. The group of ananerobes you really want to function well, the methanogens, will not grow at this pH. They need to pH to be in the 6.8 range to do their thing, which is make mostly methane and carbon dioxide with a little hydrogen. Once the methanogen population is high enough the need for buffering decreases as they consume the organic acids about as fast as they´re produced. Another little problem is temperature. I like to be around 20 C my wife at 26 Cand methanogens at 37 C. So aside from the arguments my wife and I have seasonally about the room we sleep in, the anaerobes like it tropical. They will function down to about 22 C. but their efficiency to produce gas dropsby at least half or more. I´m at home right now so when I get to work I´ll look up a recipe with the proper chemicals in it to keep the pH in the right range until your methanogens are at a high enough population. All concentrations will be in grams or milligrams per liter. A gallon is 3.875 litersfor multiplication purposes. That´s enough science for now, I´m going to prep for my fantasy football league. We´re drafting soon. If you have any idea what I´m talking about you´ll understand. If you don´t just completely disregard the last few sentences as we all have our vices.

Tom Irwin


From: Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:54:19 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gycerine digesting was washing?Thanks Tom;I did some searching months back when I read it might be possible to digest glycerine for methane production. I found surprisingly little info from anyone actually doing it! I found plans for a home size two stage aerobic / anaerobic digester here http://biorealis.com/digester/construction.html and others on JTF. Is it possible to scale it down to say a gallon size just to do a trial without investing a lot of money or does scaling introduce a problem that is not intuitively obvious?JoeTom Irwin wrote:

Hi Joe,

Well, first of all you need an anerobic digestor. The folks in India are perhaps the world leaders in this type of technology at the farm level. The simpliest one I'veseen is taking 28 meters of, I think it was, 3 mil plastic bagging material and pulling one end inside out so you have a double layer of plastic bagging 14 meters long.You dig a level ditch and put the bag into it. Tap the bag with a pipe that you can seal easily. You pipe it to the system you want to have the fuel. You fill it with a mixure of water andhorse or cow manure. This stuff hasplenty of anaerobic bacteria in it thenyou let it go to work for you. After everything is up and producing gas from animal dung,you drip feed 50 to 100 mls of the glycerine per dayfor about 8 weeks. The bacterial culture should adapt to it and then you can perhaps add a liter a day. Watch your gas production. You could produce more gas than you want or can store. An engineer can run calcualtions to let you know your exact maximum loading depending on your daily use.Some of our Indian friends online here can point you in the exact direction with plans etc. and it's probably in the archives somewhere.I suggest a search on anaerobic digestors.Since glycerine has three carbons per moleculeyou can get a maximum gas yield of three

Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'

2005-08-16 Thread AntiFossil

Hello Tom,

I too come from Methodist stock. I do hate to be the bearer of
bad news, and I consider it to be some of the worst news I have read to
date, but according to Faithful America, gw bush is a United Methodist Christian. Here, see for yourself, fourth paragraph down I believe:

Standing with the Faithful in Crawford, TX

I was stunned when I read that, and it forced me to rethink several
things about myself, and even my church, but in the end I know that I'm
no george walker bush. Personally, I real damned thankful for
that!

On 8/16/05, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Again,

Careful Hakan, we´re talking fundamental Baptist of the born again
variety. I come from Methodist stock. A fine Presbiterian minister in
literature once characterised us asBaptists who can read. Bush
might be one of those pushing for judgement day since he and his flock
have already been saved while the rest of us are going to hell. Of
course, my idea of hell is having the most powerfully armed country in
the world run by fanactical Baptists.As I´m living in hell
already there is little for me to fear.

Tom Irwin
snip
-- AntiFossilMN, USA"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this
invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of today." President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906Give me the money that has been spent in
war and I will clothe every man, woman, and child in an attire of which kings and queens will be proud. I will build a schoolhouse in every valley over the whole earth. I will crown every hillside with a place of worship
consecrated to peace: Charles SumnerQuotes from Information Clearing House
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Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-16 Thread marilyn

Hakan wrote:
Wonder from which industries they are coming?

Hakan, at the following website you can see their backgrounds 
by looking at each card in a card game that shows backgrounds 
of people working with the administration:

http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/

Each suit in the deck represents a category: 
Oil, gas, and energy companies
US government officials
Military and defense contractors
Heads of industry, finance, media, policy, and hype

Go here to select each category to find information on each 
person
http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/cards/index.html

The sale of the card game has been banned on ebay

To see a little about Cheney's background with Halliburton see
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/printabl
e595214.shtml
Doing Business With The Enemy   Jan. 25, 2004

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and other neoconservatives were 
part of the Project for the New American Century plan to invade 
Iraq in 1997. They tried to get Clinton interested, but failed. They 
didn't fail with Bush. See their names on the statement of 
principles at:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm




Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

Tom,

I had no idea that Bush jr had been shot at and 
seen friends die for America. Nobody told me that 
Rumsfelt had an extinguish military career, but 
it is possible. Powell, that I like a lot, I know 
was a military, but it looked like he had trouble 
with his colleagues, maybe he is the one who 
provided for the shooting at Bush? This girl who 
got Powell's job, looks like a military, but I 
thought that she was a university professor. You 
have to excuse us foreigners who know so little about US 
leaders.

Then the view about fuel economy is 
understandable, anything with little less mpg 
than a Hummer, must be a wonder of efficiency. 
Anything with better insulation than a tent, must 
look as the technology that would save us from 
Global Warming. Considering the living 
conditioning in military tents, must also make it 
difficult to belive in the concept of Global Warming.

If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not 
like to be sued for telling my honest opinion or 
my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does 
however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to 
the people. Wonder from which industries they are coming?

Hakan

At 11:20 16/08/2005, you wrote:
Hi Hakan,

We get those wonderful leaders from corporations 
and the military. The ones in the military are 
actually the pacifists since they´re actually 
been shot at and seen friends die for America Inc.

Tom


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From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:04:07 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country


Bob,

Thanks for your concerns about me.

Yes you are right, there are many who has the capacity to 
compensate
lack of direct experience, with education and enough 
imagination.
There are many good places in the world, as I said, and we 
only
have to work hard on making more of them. To belive that this 
in any
way can be done with the help of weapons, is utterly stupid. It is
nothing that will be more destructive and more hated, than
liberators that has killed members of your family and/or your
friends. As I now live in Spain and married with a Catalan 
women, I
often see that the effects of the 1936 to 1939 civil war still are
lingering. I heard about it before, but did not think that it would
be so real for so many, who's parents were not even born at 
that time.

To belive that US will get out of Iraq, without being deeply hated
the next 50-100 years, is not only ignorant, but also utterly 
stupid.
After all they have personally killed around 300,000 Iraqis and 
was
behind the Iraq - Iran war, with around an other million dead.
History will not be kind to US, the Americans and President 
Bush.
Where do the Americans get those unreal and sick leaders 
from,
including guys like Rumsfelt? It is amazing!!

Hakan

At 03:27 16/08/2005, you wrote:
 Hakan,
 Well said, and most appropriate. But may I respectfully note 
that
 like all generalizations, there are many exceptions to the 
general
 rule (that lack of international experience leads to a closed 
mind).
 Example: Although I, along with many of my friends, have zero
 international living experience (except through reading and 
the
 media), and although we do enjoy living in the US with all its
 faults (of which we are painfully aware), there are many other
 countries I think we would enjoy living in - Sweden might be 
such
 an enjoyable place, for instance. Far from finding Sweden's
 socialist form of government abhorrent, there are many of us 
who
 would like to see more of it in the US. There's a world of
 difference between chauvinism and patriotism
 
 I do read and enjoy your perceptive and sensitive writings, 
and I do
 want to tell you how sorry I was to learn of

RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Hakan,

What prevents the US from delivering foreign aid in a manner similar to the 
ways of your below listed Countries?

Tim

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Tim,

At 00:02 16/08/2005, you wrote:
Hakan,

What would you consider to be one example of a 
successful country that delivers foreign aid from which the US could learn?

All the Scandinavian countries, UK, Germany, The Netherlands, Switzerland etc.


I would not expect a country to obey our laws in 
their own country.  That is not what I meant.  I 
apologize for that.  I'm referring to legal 
activities/products a country exports to 
somewhere it is not legal.  I'm thinking along 
the lines of pharmaceuticals or pesticides.  Are 
you aware of any countries that export to US 
what is illegal for them to produce/consume but is OK in the US?

It is customary for US Corporations to take 
advantage and pressure developing countries to 
accept security measures, environmental and labor 
laws, far lesser than the US ones. The most 
famous one is the production in Bophal, India and 
the 15,000++ dead and numerous follow on effects 
and victims. The Corporation even broke the more 
laxed rules in India and US refused to extradite 
the responsible CEO to stand trial.


I understand you to say it is customary in the 
US to take advantage of foreign technical 
solutions as long as they are not registered in the US?

If it has not dramatically changed the last 15 
years, yes. Until then, I was active and worked 
with US companies. I have not heard that US 
started to recognize other countries patent 
registrations and US corporations have played 
quite a few dirty tricks that I now about. Taking 
advantage of foreign research and even 
deliberately bypassing and developing around foreign patents.

US might complain about China, but Europe did in 
the past complain about US and/or Japan. This is 
of course not that newsworthy in US, as their 
complaints about China who is on a path that recognized both in US and Japan.

Hakan


Tim

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Tim,

I will clarify and repeat.

At 15:57 15/08/2005, you wrote:
 Hakan,
 
 What you are saying then is foreign aid does
 not necessarily fit the definition of foreign
 entanglement?  Further, even if it did, that type of entanglement is OK?

Complicated matter for US, but there are more
successful countries, look at them.


 You are right about the demand side of illicit
 drugs.  I was referring to the supply
 side.  Another Country just simply cannot supply
 drugs regardless of demand or legalities.  That spells trouble.

No country supply the drugs, there are criminals
in the countries that do it. US have a high
degree of cooperation on those issues, on matters
that are illegal both in US and the other country.


 Are you saying that if a foreign country doesn't
 agree with our laws, they are not obligated to
 cooperate with us, unless there is something in it for them?

Exactly, US cannot expect that an other country
should police unique US laws on their soil. This
is so basic that it should be easy to understand.
That is why I took the legal age for sex as
example. Sweden who has an age limit of 15 years
for agreed sex, cannot be expected to police the
21 year limit in US. That means that they cannot
arrest and extradite someone who had sex with a
17 year in US, since it is not recognized as a crime in Sweden.

Many countries who do not have death penalty,
cannot extradite a killer to US, if US does not
guarantee that the death penalty will not be applied.


 I was referring to a broader definition of
 counterfeiting than just currency such as that
 pertaining to intellectual property.  For
 instance, I read and hear much about Chinese
 illegal copying of software, music, movies, clothing, etc.

Intellectual properties are complicated and even
the Chinese will take action for things, within
their laws. They do pursue software coping for
export and maybe you will not agree, but they can
even apply death penalty for cases that they
unravel. Many brand products are manufactured in
China and it is in many cases stolen legal production that are sold in China.

US demands are in many cases more of a wish that
the world should respect their registers for
patent, brand names, logos, designs etc., but I
have not yet seen that they offer a similar hard
recognition for other countries registers.

It becomes even more complicated when you look at
paten protection, that are shorter in US than
many other countries. In this cases you will see
patents used in US, even if they are valid in
other countries. US have for many years

[Biofuel] emulsion wash test

2005-08-16 Thread Todd Hershberger

I processed about 60 liters after some successful test batches.  I was disappointed to discover a thick middle layer of emulsion when I did the violent shake test.  Should I gently stir wash the fuel? Reprocess it using 10% methanol w/ 3.5 grams of lye? or as virgin oil?  I know my process needs improvement.  This was my first large batch over 1 liter.My other question is.  When I pumped the biodiesel from the reactor to the wash tank, there was a noxious smell from the fuel coming out of the the 55 gallon drum.  It was kind of choking and eye imitating.  I didn't breathe much of it.  The fuel was still warm coming out after 24 hours of settling.  Is that just smell of unwashed biodiesel with contaminants?Thanks,Todd  Todd G. Hershberger, CTS ITSMedia - Goshen College 574.674.2149 - Pager 574.535.7735 - Work  ___
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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Kim,

No question about the lying taking place in corporations.  However, a
person tends to take that statement as though it only takes place at the
employer level.  Employees lie to the same degree.  How many people do
we all know who milk worker comp claims?  Or take jobs that pay under
the table so as to protect their unemployment benefits?  What about
stealing company property either in material or unproductive time?  Then
you have people who complain about unsafe working conditions only to hop
on a crotch rocket, drink and drive, smoke, load their kids in the bed
of their pickup, etc.  I'm not protecting the corporation at all.  At
the same time, if more people had the constitution take that job and
shove it and self-employ, the corporation would have to sit up and
listen.  The problem is the pay and benefits are too good.

Tim Schlueter(20 year accountant for the corporation)

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garth  Kim
Travis
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:10 AM
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Greetings Hakan,

Lying in corporations is standard practice in North America.  The normal

lie that is real common is: 'Anyone can shut down a job for safety 
reasons.'  I have heard this in many corporations in Canada and the US,
but 
I have also seen what happens when someone tries to shut down a job for 
safety reasons.  Either they are ignored and the job continues in an
unsafe 
manor or the person very quickly finds themselves in the unemployment
line.

Corporate image and the image of being a good corporate citizen is what
the 
companies care about, the reality does not have to live up to it, if
they 
have spent enough money publicizing their corporate image.

Start work at 16 and by the time you are 20, you have this figured 
out.  The challenge is to figure out which part of the companies spin,
they 
actually care about.  Then you know which sacred cow not to damage.  Me,
I 
couldn't stand it, so I have been self employed most of my life.

Not all corporations are like this, and the smaller the company, the
less 
likely this is.  But one does not go into politics as a rule from small 
business.

The oil industry is especially ripe with type of behavior.

Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 07:36 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote:
If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not like to be sued for
telling 
my honest opinion or my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does 
however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to the people. Wonder
from 
which industries they are coming?

Hakan



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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

2005-08-16 Thread Greg and April




What size of enginecan the 6.9L 
replace? I havea85Grand Marquewith a 
defunct 5L engine.

Greg H.

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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up 
  Trucks
  
  If I'm correct, Ford first used a diesel on their 
  pick up line on '82, it was the 6.9liter made by International(Navistar) which 
  evolved later to the 7.3liter.If a recall allright, it is a direct bolt-on 
  swap, those diesel should mate any Ford transmission, standard or auto (for 
  the auto, the C6 is recommended).The engine mounts might be slighlty 
  different, but a visit to the local Ford parts dealer should help you find the 
  adequate engine-to-frame mounts.
  
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From: 
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 
PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up 
Trucks


Ford did as dodge 
does. For years ford installed international harvester engines in there 
trucks and vans but represented them as a ford product. Dont get me wrong 
they were good engines but I never saw a turbo unit. Im not sure when ford 
came out with there powerstroke. Dodge has always used Cummins ether 12 or 
24 valve also very strong good engines. 
Good luck 
Derick





From: 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of aidan, cathy  
bradSent: Saturday, August 
13, 2005 11:38 AMTo: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up 
Trucks

we have a Ford '72 F250 that has really 
low mileage on it and were considering a diesel conversion. how far back did 
Ford make diesels for their trucks (assuming that they do.) any input would 
be appreciated. On Saturday, August 13, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Tom Irwin 
wrote:
Hi All,It looks like I´m 
finally going redneck and buying my first pickup truck. Of course, it will 
be a diesel. I was looking at used Chevy S-10´s, particularly the double 
cabin variety as I have two small kids. I´m looking for a tough, long 
lasting vehicle that I can haul building materials, worm bins, bagged 
vermicompost, and drums of waste oil and ethanol.I´d also be using it 
to get my wife and I to work and the kids to school. I´m not interested in 
something sexy, I married her. I need a working vehicle. 
Anysuggestions out there. Of the vehicles I saw in the archives, there 
were things like hybrids that I really don´t think I need. Any Brazilian 
pickups that run on straight ethanolI would certainly 
consider.It´s just that I´m planning on generating my own electricity 
and heating my house with a diesel generator. It doesn´t really make much 
sense to me at this point to go ethanol.Thanks,Tom 
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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks


There is a 7.3 w/ 30k for sale here for 1200.00


Greg and April wrote:

What size of engine can the 6.9L replace? I have a 85 Grand Marque 
with a defunct 5L engine.

Greg H.

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mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2005 21:24
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

If I'm correct, Ford first used a diesel on their pick up line on
'82, it was the 6.9liter made by International(Navistar) which
evolved later to the 7.3liter.If a recall allright, it is a direct
bolt-on swap, those diesel should mate any Ford transmission,
standard or auto (for the auto, the C6 is recommended).The engine
mounts might be slighlty different, but a visit to the local Ford
parts dealer should help you find the adequate engine-to-frame mounts.

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*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM
*Subject:* RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

Ford did as dodge does. For years ford installed international
harvester engines in there trucks and vans but represented
them as a ford product. Don’t get me wrong they were good
engines but I never saw a turbo unit. Im not sure when ford
came out with there powerstroke. Dodge has always used Cummins
ether 12 or 24 valve also very strong good engines.

Good luck Derick



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*Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:38 AM
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

we have a Ford '72 F250 that has really low mileage on it and
were considering a diesel conversion. how far back did Ford
make diesels for their trucks (assuming that they do.) any
input would be appreciated.
On Saturday, August 13, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Tom Irwin wrote:

Hi All,

It looks like I´m finally going redneck and buying my first
pickup truck. Of course, it will be a diesel. I was looking at
used Chevy S-10´s, particularly the double cabin variety as I
have two small kids. I´m looking for a tough, long lasting
vehicle that I can haul building materials, worm bins, bagged
vermicompost, and drums of waste oil and ethanol. I´d also be
using it to get my wife and I to work and the kids to school.
I´m not interested in something sexy, I married her. I need a
working vehicle. Any suggestions out there. Of the vehicles I
saw in the archives, there were things like hybrids that I
really don´t think I need. Any Brazilian pickups that run on
straight ethanol I would certainly consider. It´s just that
I´m planning on generating my own electricity and heating my
house with a diesel generator. It doesn´t really make much
sense to me at this point to go ethanol.

Thanks,

Tom Irwin









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Re: [Biofuel] emulsion wash test

Let it settle for a while - I've had this happen and you can usually 
pump off most of either the BD or the soap layer.  Then I usually bubble 
wash the soap out.  The smell is probably methanol - though I've never 
had my BD smell particularly bad.  What kind of oil did you start with?


What's the ph of the final batch?

Anyone else want to chime in?

Todd Hershberger wrote:

I processed about 60 liters after some successful test batches.  I was 
disappointed to discover a thick middle layer of emulsion when I did 
the violent shake test.  

Should I gently stir wash the fuel? Reprocess it using 10% methanol w/ 
3.5 grams of lye? or as virgin oil?  

I know my process needs improvement.  This was my first large batch 
over 1 liter.


My other question is.  When I pumped the biodiesel from the reactor to 
the wash tank, there was a noxious smell from the fuel coming out of 
the the 55 gallon drum.  It was kind of choking and eye imitating.  I 
didn't breathe much of it.  The fuel was still warm coming out after 
24 hours of settling.  


Is that just smell of unwashed biodiesel with contaminants?

Thanks,
Todd


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Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'


http://www.raptureready.com/

Hakan Falk wrote:



Tom,

I see your point and it explains a lot.

Hakan

At 11:38 16/08/2005, you wrote:


Hi Again,

Careful Hakan, we´re talking fundamental Baptist of the born again 
variety. I come from Methodist stock. A fine Presbiterian minister in 
literature once characterised us as Baptists who can read. Bush might 
be one of those pushing for judgement day since he and his flock have 
already been saved while the rest of us are going to hell. Of course, 
my idea of hell is having the most powerfully armed country in the 
world run by fanactical Baptists. As I´m living in hell already there 
is little for me to fear.


Tom Irwin



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From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:36:50 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'


Hi all again,

Who said that President Bush was religious? He
cannot be, because then he would belive in
judgement day and the way things are going, he
will have to answer some very difficult questions.

Hakan

At 10:18 16/08/2005, you wrote:
Hi All,

I don´t want to sound like Chicken Little and
disturb anyone going about their normal lives
but if this proves to be true it´s going to have
a HUGE IMPACT. Those of you who live near the
coast should consider moving to higher ground if
you can afford to. If you can´t afford to then
buy a boat. If I´m reading this right and I
think I am, this makes that Pentagon sponsored
worst case study last year... well not the worst
case. This is now the worst case. Those of you
getting ready to invest in solar may want to
invest in wind instead. I would anticipate a lot
more cloudy and rainy days during wet seasons
and longer droughts. I´m telling my architect on
Wednesday, to put in a cistern and rain spouting
to collect all the water I can. This sounds bad,
real bad. Any confirmation by other scientists
and engineers on this list would be appreciated.

Tom Irwin


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From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:25:21 -0300
Subject: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0811-0 
3.htmhttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0811-03.htm

Published on Thursday, August 11, 2005 by the Guardian/UK

Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'
Siberia feels the heat: A frozen peat bog the size of France and
Germany combined contains billions of tonnes of greenhouse gas, and
for the first time since the ice age, it is melting.

By Ian Sample

A vast expanse of western Siberia is undergoing an unprecedented thaw
that could dramatically increase the rate of global warming, climate
scientists warn today.

If we don't take action very soon, we could unleash runaway global
warming that will be beyond our control and it will lead to social,
economic and environmental devastation worldwide.

Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth
Researchers who have recently returned from the region found that an
area of permafrost spanning a million square kilometers - the size of
France and Germany combined - has started to melt for the first time
since it formed 11,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age.

The area, which covers the entire sub-Arctic region of western
Siberia, is the world's largest frozen peat bog and scientists fear
that as it thaws, it will release billions of tonnes of methane, a
greenhouse gas 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide, into the
atmosphere.

It is a scenario climate scientists have feared since first
identifying tipping points - delicate thresholds where a slight
rise in the Earth's temperature can cause a dramatic change in the
environment that itself triggers a far greater increase in global
temperatures.

The discovery was made by Sergei Kirpotin at Tomsk State University
in western Siberia and Judith Marquand at Oxford University and is
reported in New Scientist today.

The researchers found that what was until recently a barren expanse
of frozen peat is turning into a broken landscape of mud and lakes,
some more than a kilometer across.

Dr Kirpotin told the magazine the situation was an ecological
landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected
to climatic warming. He added that the thaw had probably begun in
the past three or four years.

Climate scientists yesterday reacted with alarm to the finding, and
warned that predictions of future global temperatures would have to
be revised upwards.

When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can
end up in situations where it's unstoppable. There are no brakes you
can apply, said David Viner, a senior scientist at the Climatic
Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

This is a big deal because you can't put the permafrost back once
it's gone. The causal effect is human activity and it will ramp up
temperatures even more than our emissions are doing.

In its last major report in 2001, the intergovernmental panel on

RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Why are these cards banned on Ebay?  Perhaps it has to do with this statement 
from Ebay:

Only copyright owners are permitted to sell items or products which are 
intended to be delivered to the buyer by electronic download through the 
Internet. Sellers who own the copyrights to this downloadable media being sold 
must state this fact in their listings and must be able to prove this ownership 
to eBay.

In other words, the reason for the ban may have to do with copyright legalities 
as opposed to some sort of governmentally imposed restriction, which the 
statement below leads one to believe.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:08 AM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Hakan wrote:
Wonder from which industries they are coming?

Hakan, at the following website you can see their backgrounds 
by looking at each card in a card game that shows backgrounds 
of people working with the administration:

http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/

Each suit in the deck represents a category: 
Oil, gas, and energy companies
US government officials
Military and defense contractors
Heads of industry, finance, media, policy, and hype

Go here to select each category to find information on each 
person
http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/cards/index.html

The sale of the card game has been banned on ebay

To see a little about Cheney's background with Halliburton see
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/printabl
e595214.shtml
Doing Business With The Enemy   Jan. 25, 2004

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and other neoconservatives were 
part of the Project for the New American Century plan to invade 
Iraq in 1997. They tried to get Clinton interested, but failed. They 
didn't fail with Bush. See their names on the statement of 
principles at:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm




Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

Tom,

I had no idea that Bush jr had been shot at and 
seen friends die for America. Nobody told me that 
Rumsfelt had an extinguish military career, but 
it is possible. Powell, that I like a lot, I know 
was a military, but it looked like he had trouble 
with his colleagues, maybe he is the one who 
provided for the shooting at Bush? This girl who 
got Powell's job, looks like a military, but I 
thought that she was a university professor. You 
have to excuse us foreigners who know so little about US 
leaders.

Then the view about fuel economy is 
understandable, anything with little less mpg 
than a Hummer, must be a wonder of efficiency. 
Anything with better insulation than a tent, must 
look as the technology that would save us from 
Global Warming. Considering the living 
conditioning in military tents, must also make it 
difficult to belive in the concept of Global Warming.

If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not 
like to be sued for telling my honest opinion or 
my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does 
however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to 
the people. Wonder from which industries they are coming?

Hakan

At 11:20 16/08/2005, you wrote:
Hi Hakan,

We get those wonderful leaders from corporations 
and the military. The ones in the military are 
actually the pacifists since they´re actually 
been shot at and seen friends die for America Inc.

Tom


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Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:04:07 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country


Bob,

Thanks for your concerns about me.

Yes you are right, there are many who has the capacity to 
compensate
lack of direct experience, with education and enough 
imagination.
There are many good places in the world, as I said, and we 
only
have to work hard on making more of them. To belive that this 
in any
way can be done with the help of weapons, is utterly stupid. It is
nothing that will be more destructive and more hated, than
liberators that has killed members of your family and/or your
friends. As I now live in Spain and married with a Catalan 
women, I
often see that the effects of the 1936 to 1939 civil war still are
lingering. I heard about it before, but did not think that it would
be so real for so many, who's parents were not even born at 
that time.

To belive that US will get out of Iraq, without being deeply hated
the next 50-100 years, is not only ignorant, but also utterly 
stupid.
After all they have personally killed around 300,000 Iraqis and 
was
behind the Iraq - Iran war, with around an other million dead.
History will not be kind to US, the Americans and President 
Bush.
Where do the Americans get those unreal and sick leaders 
from,
including guys like Rumsfelt? It is amazing!!

Hakan

At 03:27 16/08/2005, you wrote:
 Hakan,
 Well said, and most appropriate. But may I

Re: [Biofuel] de-polymerizing cellulose not practical at this point

2005-08-16 Thread Brian Rodgers

Ken Gotberg wrote:

Brian

You should consider turning the trees into pellets. There is a lot of
info on this from Danish and Swedish websites. Let someone else mess
with boilers etc.

Ken

Turn the trees into pellets?

This is a nice idea but give me more info to work with
please.
I can take the bait if you like.

I was waiting and hoping for a chance to enter into a
discussion in this group in which I might be able to inject some of my
family
knowledge. You all have seen hints of my familys sustainable living
philosophy
in my writing before. I am new here so I will spare you the long winded
version. My wife says we tend toward the socialist side when it comes
to living
and working conditions.

What I know about pellets is that the forest is harvested
using big nasty looking machines. I have seen these forest eaters in
action
just a few miles from here. The harvesters use hydraulic snips or power
saws
while a large hydraulic mechanical arm lift the tree up and over the
cab into a
chipper. Ok, now that I drew that mental image for you I hope we can
see that
pellet creation is for big business not the kind of fodder I have seen
tossed
back and forth at the Biofuels group.

It is our opinion
people need to process the excess wood by hand thus creating jobs while
getting
more people outdoors and in the forest. A couple of days worth of good
old
fashioned hard work and one man with a power saw and a pickup truck can
process
enough firewood fuel to heat his home for a few months.

Mind you that the Southwest does not have the same problems
with de-forestation that the rest of the world has. In fact I only know
about
the worlds forest issues from what I have read. Our family tends
toward local
forest issues. We have plenty of these issues to keep us busy. The majority of the forest land of the
Southwest United States have been clear-cut on two occasions, both
times for
the rail system. I wont get into how we were cheated out of any
benefit from
those rail systems by the auto industries. I will leave that for
another time.

The first time in the trees were mowed down was in the early
nineteen hundreds, the second time
around fifty years ago. Loggers worked the
easy trees on the first run through the forests. Similar to the way
oil
companies get the easy oil first, after the artesian wells run dry, oil
rigs
pump, then the oil gets more expensive quick. Energy economy I think an
environmentalist pal called it. It was the same with the trees, the
harvested
the big boys down by the rail tracks first, as time went on teams of
loggers
travel further up the hill to drag the by mule down to the rail. I
found some
interesting material about logging in the Sacramento mountains during
this
time.
http://www.mountainmonthly.com/logging.html

One thing which seems to set our forests apart from other
forests is that ours grow back pretty fast when well managed. I have
hiked many of the forests in our area and on several occasions
with my buddy the sawyer. He knows about logging. So, if what I am
seeing with
my own eyes is true, these trees are a renewable resource. It takes the
average
Ponderosa Pine tree thirty years to reach maturity.
What the tree huggers call
old growth trees in the Southwest are in fact only fifty-year-old
trees. How can I
say this? Poor tree hugger couldnt be wrong, could he? Remember I am
with a
logger now, in the forest. When a Ponderosa Pine, a Douglas
Fir, or any of the species of the Southwest reach a hundred years old,
they generally
fall over dead, tree hugger with it!

Hiking through the forests up in the high country is breath
taking. Not unlike down here at the ranch where we have selectively
pruned and
thinned. Most
of the Forest Service
land of which there are huge tracks all around us here in New Mexico
are in
total chaos. After the Railroad came through on what was their final
logging run, the forests were left in a shambles. The rairoad must have
had a plan however, because the forests did grow back after the first
run. However, this process was stopped in its tracks to use a bad
pun. The forest went through a new era during the
seventies through the nineties, an era without any form of management.

Those of us that live here see the devastating results of
this lack of management everyday. The forests, instead of recovering
like they
did the first time the railroad came through, are stagnant, stunted,
and ugly for
the most part. No trees worth hugging anywhere to be found. There are
plenty of
well documented studies which can show you exactly how this happened.
Check out
any of the USDA Forest Service sites for the Southwest. Those foresters
know
what happened and take plenty of blame for it. On an upbeat note, the
Forest
Service has made huge strides in correcting its mistakes and are to be
commended. One area I disagree with the Forest Service is in the use of
Forest
Harvester. Again, I think we need to
get more people in the forests working by hand, not big

Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'





Hi Anti,

Whoa, then who in the Methodist Church is giving this man the idea it's OK to destroy the environment? Perhaps we have a Methodist who is only a selective reader.

Tom Twice Corrected But Better Informed




From: AntiFossil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:00:28 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'Hello Tom,I too come from Methodist stock. I do hate to be the bearer of bad news, and I consider it to be some of the worst news I have read to date, but according to "Faithful America", gw bush is a United Methodist Christian. Here, see for yourself, fourth paragraph down I believe:" Standing with the Faithful in Crawford, TX"I was stunned when I read that, and it forced me to rethink several things about myself, and even my church, but in the end I know that I'm no george walker bush. Personally, I real damned thankful for that!
On 8/16/05, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Again,

Careful Hakan, we´re talking fundamental Baptist of the born again variety. I come from Methodist stock. A fine Presbiterian minister in literature once characterised us asBaptists who can read. Bush might be one of those pushing for judgement day since he and his flock have already been saved while the rest of us are going to hell. Of course, my idea of hell is having the most powerfully armed country in the world run by fanactical Baptists.As I´m living in hell already there is little for me to fear.

Tom Irwin
snip-- AntiFossilMN, USA"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of today." President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906Give me the money that has been spent in war and I will clothe every man, woman, and child in an attire of which kings and queens will be proud. I will build a schoolhouse in every valley over the whole earth. I will crown every hillside with a place of worship consecrated to peace: Charles SumnerQuotes from" Information Clearing House "



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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-16 Thread Garth Kim Travis


Greetings Tim,

You are more than correct about many things.  Few and far between are the 
honest humans, but there are a few.  Fortunately for me, you can't pay me 
enough for me to work at anything that I can't be proud of.  I have never 
been that fond of money.


I like my benefits better than any a corporation could give me.  Plenty of 
fresh air, sunshine, super healthy food, loving animals, no chemicals in my 
environment.  No smokers and I work at my own rate and time.


Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 09:28 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote:

Kim,

No question about the lying taking place in corporations.  However, a
person tends to take that statement as though it only takes place at the
employer level.  Employees lie to the same degree.  How many people do
we all know who milk worker comp claims?  Or take jobs that pay under
the table so as to protect their unemployment benefits?  What about
stealing company property either in material or unproductive time?  Then
you have people who complain about unsafe working conditions only to hop
on a crotch rocket, drink and drive, smoke, load their kids in the bed
of their pickup, etc.  I'm not protecting the corporation at all.  At
the same time, if more people had the constitution take that job and
shove it and self-employ, the corporation would have to sit up and
listen.  The problem is the pay and benefits are too good.

Tim Schlueter(20 year accountant for the corporation)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garth  Kim
Travis
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:10 AM
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Greetings Hakan,

Lying in corporations is standard practice in North America.  The normal

lie that is real common is: 'Anyone can shut down a job for safety
reasons.'  I have heard this in many corporations in Canada and the US,
but
I have also seen what happens when someone tries to shut down a job for
safety reasons.  Either they are ignored and the job continues in an
unsafe
manor or the person very quickly finds themselves in the unemployment
line.

Corporate image and the image of being a good corporate citizen is what
the
companies care about, the reality does not have to live up to it, if
they
have spent enough money publicizing their corporate image.

Start work at 16 and by the time you are 20, you have this figured
out.  The challenge is to figure out which part of the companies spin,
they
actually care about.  Then you know which sacred cow not to damage.  Me,
I
couldn't stand it, so I have been self employed most of my life.

Not all corporations are like this, and the smaller the company, the
less
likely this is.  But one does not go into politics as a rule from small
business.

The oil industry is especially ripe with type of behavior.

Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 07:36 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote:
If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not like to be sued for
telling
my honest opinion or my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does
however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to the people. Wonder
from
which industries they are coming?

Hakan



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[Biofuel] Cindy Sheehan: Still Not Worth It

2005-08-16 Thread Michael Redler

Still Not Worth Itby Cindy Sheehanhttp://www.lewrockwell.com/sheehan/sheehan10.htmlLast January, I was bumped from the Larry King Liveshow for an appearance by the soon to be proveninnocent Michael Jackson. I was going to be on theprogram to answer the question: Did I feel my son'smurder in Iraq was "worth it" after the "free"elections in the war torn country on January 30th. Iwrote an article then called: "Not Worth It."I never thought I would be invited back on as a guestafter I pretty much burned the Larry King bridge withmy article. However, to my astonishment, I was invitedto be a guest on June 28th. I was asked to be on thebroadcast in order to give my impressions and rebuttalto George's speech on Iraq that he delivered in
frontof the less than enthusiastic (what the White Housespin doctors call: respectful) troops at Ft. Bragg, NC.I felt like I was in Bizarro World as I heard Georgespeak about 9/11 five times and mention terrorism 31times, even though these rationales for war have beendisproved repeatedly. I think George thinks that sincewe believed him once about terrorism vis-à-vis Iraq,that we must therefore be gullible enough to believehim this time. I don't know, and I am not aprofessional pundit, but my theory is he might havementioned 9/11 to manipulate our emotions and maybeeven frighten us a little again?The thing that struck me when I was watching thatvacuous man giving his hollow speech was the fact thathe could have always replaced the word "terrorists"with the phrase: "my moronic and callous foreignpolicies" For example, when he said that terroristsspread death and destruction on the streets of Baghdadand
kill innocent people, he could have just as easilysaid: "My moronic and callous foreign policies spreaddeath and destruction on the streets of Baghdad andkill innocent people." When he said that we need tostop terrorists from toppling governments in theregion, he could have just as easily said: "We need tostop my moronic and callous foreign policies fromtoppling governments in the region." People havecharacterized the speech-lite in many ways, but if Ihad to pick a few words to describe it, I would say:"Hypocritical, manipulative, condescending, meaninglessdrivel."I sat through an entire hour in the CNN studio in DChearing not one person say that the invasion was amistake and if it was a mistake, then our troops shouldbe brought home immediately. Even the "Democratic"Senators (Kerry and Bayh) on the program just gavetheir recipes for "success" in Iraq, which did notinclude any exit strategies. The guest host
for thathour was Bob Costas and he asked one guest, Sen. JohnMcCain, an intriguing question: "If you could pushButton One and have an eventual wonderful outcome inIraq, or if you could push Button Two and never havehad it happen, which one would you pick?" Of course,Sen. McCain chose Button One. He hasn't had a loved onekilled in this enormous tragedy of a war, nor does hehave a loved one in harm's way. It has not affected himpersonally one bit. What skin is it off McCain's noseif our troops remain for a highly unlikely rosy outcomeat the cost of thousands of more lives? I would pushthe button that would bring back my son, Casey, and thetens of thousands of other victims who have been killedfor nothing but outright lies and bald-faced betrayals.I would push the button that would give Iraq back itspower, water, and infrastructure.My absolute favorite guest of the evening was Sen. JohnWarner, powerful chair of
the Senate Armed DisservicesCommittee. Of course, he fell in lockstep behind hisFührer and praised the speech and how, although we have"all" paid a terrible price for this invasion andoccupation, bringing freedom and democracy to the Iraqipeople is worth all the sacrifices that the world ismaking. I sat in the Green Room with Sen. Warner'sentourage. I wondered (even out loud) what price theyhave paid for our administration's misdeeds in Iraq.They all looked like happy, well-fed, well-dressed,well-educated, and well-hydrated Americans. They lookedto me like they had plenty of electricity to blow-drytheir hair and charge their cell phones and laptops.They looked like they had quite a nice supply of cleandrinking water and fresh food. I sincerely doubt if anyof them had a loved one ripped from their lives by acar bomb, IED, or bullet in an ambush. I wondered whothe "we" was that John Warner spoke of. I spoke
withJohn Warner after his interview and told him unless hewas prepared to sacrifice even a good night's sleepover this senseless and criminal war, then he shouldwork on ending it, not prolonging the carnage. He toldme that I was "entitled to my opinion," but he wouldrespectfully have to disagree with me. That was awfullyConstitutional of him!I finally got on to speak for my 82 seconds (all thetime Larry King Live could spare for the peace message)about how this war is a catastrophe and how we shouldbring the troops home and quit forcing the Iraqi peopleto pay for our

RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Why are these cards banned on Ebay?  Perhaps it has to do with this 
statement from Ebay:


Only copyright owners are permitted to sell items or products which 
are intended to be delivered to the buyer by electronic download 
through the Internet. Sellers who own the copyrights to this 
downloadable media being sold must state this fact in their listings 
and must be able to prove this ownership to eBay.


In other words, the reason for the ban may have to do with copyright 
legalities as opposed to some sort of governmentally imposed 
restriction, which the statement below leads one to believe.


Tim


:-) Believe the small print if you like.

Quite a regular item offered on eBay is this:

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/z/woh1.jpg

Taken directly from our site, the description also taken directly 
from our site, and offered as original plans for sale at $20 or 
something similar. It was JtF who resurrected these plans, but, as 
acknowledged, the copyright belongs to Mother Earth News, but there's 
zero acknowledgement of either JtF or MEN. Try telling eBay about it 
- I got exactly nowhere, and neither did several other people.


Please trim irrelevant previous material from your posts Tim, you're 
wasting tons of bandwidth. Thankyou.


Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
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Hakan wrote:
Wonder from which industries they are coming?

Hakan, at the following website you can see their backgrounds
by looking at each card in a card game that shows backgrounds
of people working with the administration:

http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/

Each suit in the deck represents a category:
Oil, gas, and energy companies
US government officials
Military and defense contractors
Heads of industry, finance, media, policy, and hype

Go here to select each category to find information on each
person
http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/cards/index.html

The sale of the card game has been banned on ebay

To see a little about Cheney's background with Halliburton see
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/printabl
e595214.shtml
Doing Business With The Enemy   Jan. 25, 2004

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and other neoconservatives were
part of the Project for the New American Century plan to invade
Iraq in 1997. They tried to get Clinton interested, but failed. They
didn't fail with Bush. See their names on the statement of
principles at:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm



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Re: [Biofuel] Honda Civic MPG

2005-08-16 Thread Randall

Also, let's not forget to ask about wheel alignment...how are the tires 
wearing?  Any pulling?


--Randall


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Point number 6 is a good one.  I forgot to mention the one weakness of the 
Honda civic.  There are little slider clips on the brake pads that get 
fouled up with brake dust and road grime.  These must be cleaned regularly 
or the pads will not release properly when you release the brakes.  I 
cleaned mine twice yearly and put some colloidal graphite on the clips 
before reassembly.  I have a friend who did not do this and he actually 
overheated his front brake and warped a rotor on one side.  Of course it 
would be affecting fuel mileage long before that happened.


Joe

Randall wrote:


A few questions I would ask are:

1)  Is the Civic automatic or manual transmission...if automatic, is it 
shifting correctly through all gears?  If manual, is the clutch slipping?

2)  Do you have the correct sized tires on the Civic?
3)  Is the speedometer/odometer calibrated correctly?
4)  How many miles are on the Civic?
5)  Does the Civic use a lot of oil?
6)  Do you know if the brakes are dragging on the Civic?  How are the 
bearings and CV joints?
7)  Do you have AC on the Civic?  10hp is not much to a 300hp engine, but 
it is a LOT to a 100HP motor!!



--Randall
Charlotte, NC


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One thing not discussed previously is tire pressure.  Low tire pressure
can cause drastic loss of mpg.  Just because an engine is 100 HP does
not mean it needs to output the full 100HP.  Once the vehicle is up to
speed then, as previously stated, you only need to only overcome
friction.  The newer Caddie must be more efficient.  Just because your
engine is smaller does not automatically make it more efficient.  Look
at the old VW Bugs.  In the '70s we thought them to be 'economical'.
Now, those bugs only get 18-19 mpg.

NDK


I am 18 and not sure where I want to go to college. I might take the
year off, as it is so late to be signing up. My question for everyone
is, does anyone here know of some good colleges, preferably in the New
England area, that have specialty biofuel(or related) courses? That
would be a great help to me.  Also, I wanted to add an amazing
discovery/question that I found this past week. I drive a 1992 honda
civic. I just did a full tune up, including O2 sensor, plugs, wires,
cap  rotor, etc. I drove from FL to MA, and i got about 23 MPG. This
is in a 1.5L engine in a  car weighing maybe 1600 lbs fully loaded
with 106 base HP. I then drove my father's car south( a 2000 Cadillac
Deville), from Ma to FL, and got an amazing surprise : his 4.6L
American engine with about 300 base HP pulling a car weighing maybe
3000Lbs empty got  28MPG. I also found that in the city, his car's
gas mileage was 18 MPG, where mine is about 13. Now I admit to owning
a foot of lead, but does anyone know how this is possible as i drove
both vehicles, and with regular gas? The calculations were correct for
MPG. Any input would be appreciated. ~ Paul

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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country



Tim,

Nothing really, neither size or methods, but it 
is a matter of using foreign aid as a part of 
foreign policies and control. US is mixing their 
foreign policy goals and corporate profits, with 
the way to distribute foreign aid.


1. US is selective and set the rules for their 
foreign aid, as an instrument to enhance their 
foreign policy goals. The countries I mentioned 
refrain from mixing foreign policy goals and only look at the needs.


2. US is demanding that the money is spent with 
US companies and it is only if there are no US 
suppliers available, that the money can be spent 
somewhere else. This means that they short 
circuit any true bidding process, with lowest 
price and suitability as parameters. The 
countries that I mentioned, allow for an 
efficient purchasing process, with 
price/performance as the only measurement. This 
often means more for the money.


Sometimes and for unique needs, all the countries 
will directly deliver produce as aid. The over 
riding factor should always be what is best for 
the recipient and not the convenience of the 
donor or donor related corporations.


These are also the reasons why the Iraqi oil for 
food scandal could develop. This is typical 
example on how an US led initiative often is 
corrupted and how US deserves their reputation . 
The elements are very recognizable. First the 
motive, which were more designed to satisfy the 
US/world need for oil deliveries than feeding the 
Iraqi people. If Iraq would not have been allowed 
to export oil, the rising prices that we see 
today would have come earlier. It was just not 
possible to redraw the Iraqi oil export from the 
market place and we can see the consequences of 
doing that today. US had to look for a way to 
force Iraq to deliver their production to them in 
a controlled manner. Who were the players?


1. The Iraqi oil ministry and government.
2. US officials.
3. UN officials
4. US oil companies
5. Mostly US suppliers of food and essentials, 
very little from other countries


It was a seemingly genius plan to make an 
absolute necessity, the oil deliveries, to a 
virtue. To be able to get it through, the 
Americans needed support from other countries and 
to some measures the Iraqi oil ministry. This was 
achieved by letting the oil companies from UK, 
France, Germany and Spain in to a part of the 
spoils. UN, Saddam and the Iraqi oil ministry was 
dealt with by kick backs. The whole food for 
oil program was a master piece of a corruption scheme designed and led by US.


Hakan

At 16:02 16/08/2005, you wrote:

Hakan,

What prevents the US from delivering foreign aid 
in a manner similar to the ways of your below listed Countries?


Tim

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Tim,

At 00:02 16/08/2005, you wrote:
Hakan,

What would you consider to be one example of a
successful country that delivers foreign aid from which the US could learn?

All the Scandinavian countries, UK, Germany, The Netherlands, Switzerland etc.


I would not expect a country to obey our laws in
their own country.  That is not what I meant.  I
apologize for that.  I'm referring to legal
activities/products a country exports to
somewhere it is not legal.  I'm thinking along
the lines of pharmaceuticals or pesticides.  Are
you aware of any countries that export to US
what is illegal for them to produce/consume but is OK in the US?

It is customary for US Corporations to take
advantage and pressure developing countries to
accept security measures, environmental and labor
laws, far lesser than the US ones. The most
famous one is the production in Bophal, India and
the 15,000++ dead and numerous follow on effects
and victims. The Corporation even broke the more
laxed rules in India and US refused to extradite
the responsible CEO to stand trial.


I understand you to say it is customary in the
US to take advantage of foreign technical
solutions as long as they are not registered in the US?

If it has not dramatically changed the last 15
years, yes. Until then, I was active and worked
with US companies. I have not heard that US
started to recognize other countries patent
registrations and US corporations have played
quite a few dirty tricks that I now about. Taking
advantage of foreign research and even
deliberately bypassing and developing around foreign patents.

US might complain about China, but Europe did in
the past complain about US and/or Japan. This is
of course not that newsworthy in US, as their
complaints about China who is on a path that recognized both in US and Japan.

Hakan


Tim

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Tim,

I will

[Biofuel] Re: SVO Kits


Hello Chris


Hello all,

After a few years of dreaming, I am about to finally
buy a Mercedes to convert to SVO! In the last year or
more, I have learned so much from this biofuels list,
it's a great resource, and I would be grateful to get
some opinions on what the best SVO kit is to use. This
kit will be on a 1979 - 1985 MBZ 300 series TD. I will
have $700 - $1000 to spend on the kit, and most likely
will install it myself. I like the idea of a One Tank
System. Any preferences on 1 or 2 tank systems? Which
1 tank systems are better?


See:

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51618.html
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51634.html
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51654.html
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51624.html
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel

Best wishes

Keith




Thanks for the help.

-Chris Davidson



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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Hakan,

It really amounts to aid with no strings attached.  But even then there
must be measures put in place to ensure accountability such as progress
reports, inspections, etc.

In an indirect way, when the US imports goods and services that
translates into foreign aid.  The US has a huge trade imbalance.  The US
also has considerable foreign direct investment in PPE that has got to
help the local economy.  This may sound snippy but I suppose much of
this activity can be interpreted as exploitation.

Tim Schlueter

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Tim,

Nothing really, neither size or methods, but it 
is a matter of using foreign aid as a part of 
foreign policies and control. US is mixing their 
foreign policy goals and corporate profits, with 
the way to distribute foreign aid.

1. US is selective and set the rules for their 
foreign aid, as an instrument to enhance their 
foreign policy goals. The countries I mentioned 
refrain from mixing foreign policy goals and only look at the needs.

2. US is demanding that the money is spent with 
US companies and it is only if there are no US 
suppliers available, that the money can be spent 
somewhere else. This means that they short 
circuit any true bidding process, with lowest 
price and suitability as parameters. The 
countries that I mentioned, allow for an 
efficient purchasing process, with 
price/performance as the only measurement. This 
often means more for the money.

Sometimes and for unique needs, all the countries 
will directly deliver produce as aid. The over 
riding factor should always be what is best for 
the recipient and not the convenience of the 
donor or donor related corporations.

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Re: [Biofuel] emulsion wash test

2005-08-16 Thread Todd Hershberger

Thanks for the help everyone.  I wasn't aware that the wash tank should also be sealed.  I thought most of the methanol went out with the glycerine drain.  Are other people using a sealed wash tank?So is anyone recommending a virgin reprocessing like JTF suggests?  Will a complete wash (until water is clear and ph neutral) remove all of the unreacted contaminates  (glycerides, methanol, lye)?  Thanks,ToddOn Aug 16, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Greg and April wrote: I have made soap before, and it sounds like the what soap smells like before the lye has completely reacted.    Any possibility that you have an un-completed reacted BD?   Greg H.   - Original Message -   From:   Todd Hershberger To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:22  Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion wash   test  Snip  Is that just smell of unwashed biodiesel with contaminants?Thanks,  Todd  Todd G. Hershberger, CTSITSMedia - Goshen College574.674.2149 - Pager574.535.7735 - Work  ___Biofuel mailing   listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel   at Journey to   Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the   combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000   messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/   Todd G. Hershberger, CTS ITSMedia - Goshen College 574.674.2149 - Pager 574.535.7735 - Work  ___
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[Biofuel] Still not worth it

2005-08-16 Thread Andy Karpay

 to Iraq to fight the
terrorists that his moronic and callous foreign
policies have recruited or he needs to wake up and
smell the apple pie and bring our other sons and
daughters home, now!

July 4, 2005

Cindy Sheehan [send her mail] is the mother of Spc.
Casey Austin Sheehan, KIA 04/04/04 She is co-founder of
Gold Star Families for Peace.

Copyright (c) 2005 LewRockwell.com

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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-16 Thread Michael Redler

"I was never told that it was un-Canadian to do for myself or to make things at home. I am criticized in this manner about once a week, here in Texas."

OK you have my attention.

ANY American who tells you that making something at home is un-American hasn't the foggiest notion ofthis country's history and culture.Ingenuity and individuality have contributed greatly to the American way of life, for better or worse.

If anyone you know has any doubt about this, tell them to do theiryour own research and find out how many people in this country are amateur inventors and basement tinkerers. This didn't just start yesterday. As a new Englander, I admired so called "Yankee Ingenuity" and the folklorish status that it developed throughout the post industrial revolution. Some can argue that this kind of activity goesfarther back than that -applying extraordinary ingenuity during the revolutionary war with the development and manufacturing processes used to produce the Kentucky long rifle and other technologies of it's day. Many of the framers of the constitution were tinkerers in their own right. Ask him/her if BENJAMIN FRANKLIN sounds like a familiar name.

MikeGarth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings,I moved to the US in my midthirties, so I did not grow up with American attitudes. While Canadians do share many things with the US, we did not share all of them. I was never told that it was un-Canadian to do for myself or to make things at home. I am criticized in this manner about once a week, here in Texas.Once upon a time, I thought I knew what was right in politics. Now the only thing I do know, is that if you want to have an opinion, you had better do some serious homework. Even then, somewhere down the road, something that was done by the leadership in the shadows will come to light and make you wish you had never supported them.I have no answers to such questions. I do try to live lightly on Mother Earth, to be accepting of others as long as they cause no harm to me and mine, and to try to make the
world a better place for all of us. This is enough of a challenge, for me.Bright Blessings,KimAt 01:01 PM 8/16/2005, you wrote:Kim,Bless you! So many people are proud of their money regardless of howthey earned it. However, would there be any validity to the statementthat your lifestyle would not be possible if not for the capitalistic,corporate driven, free society in which we live? If so, that would be ahorrible piece of irony. I'm not being antagonistic. I guess I'm just"lost in America" with a couple hundred million others.Tim-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garth KimTravisSent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:39 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue
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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country



Tim,

Please try to research the subject a bit more and you will find
that apart of being quite unwilling to give foreign aid at others
level, it is used for political ends and corporate profits.

Regarding US financial situation, Clinton actually did a great
job to create a fiscally sound foundation, to deal with the US
deficits. That work is gone now and US has never been in a
worse situation. If it were any other country in the world, it
would be declared in bankruptcy and it is only able to continue,
because the disastrous world wide implications of such a move.

Since Bush is not doing anything about it and his best advisers
left him due to the inaction, nobody knows where it will end. The
heavy slide of the dollar is a result of inaction, not a thoughtful
financial policy. It is actually so bad that responsible American
economists do not want to debate, afraid of trigger a run on the
US economy. They do not see that it already begun, with major
countries unloading their dollars.

Anyway, this is not fun to talk about and pointless, since nobody
is going to do something about it yet.

Hakan


At 21:00 16/08/2005, you wrote:

Hakan,

It really amounts to aid with no strings attached.  But even then there
must be measures put in place to ensure accountability such as progress
reports, inspections, etc.

In an indirect way, when the US imports goods and services that
translates into foreign aid.  The US has a huge trade imbalance.  The US
also has considerable foreign direct investment in PPE that has got to
help the local economy.  This may sound snippy but I suppose much of
this activity can be interpreted as exploitation.

Tim Schlueter

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Tim,

Nothing really, neither size or methods, but it
is a matter of using foreign aid as a part of
foreign policies and control. US is mixing their
foreign policy goals and corporate profits, with
the way to distribute foreign aid.

1. US is selective and set the rules for their
foreign aid, as an instrument to enhance their
foreign policy goals. The countries I mentioned
refrain from mixing foreign policy goals and only look at the needs.

2. US is demanding that the money is spent with
US companies and it is only if there are no US
suppliers available, that the money can be spent
somewhere else. This means that they short
circuit any true bidding process, with lowest
price and suitability as parameters. The
countries that I mentioned, allow for an
efficient purchasing process, with
price/performance as the only measurement. This
often means more for the money.

Sometimes and for unique needs, all the countries
will directly deliver produce as aid. The over
riding factor should always be what is best for
the recipient and not the convenience of the
donor or donor related corporations.




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Re: [Biofuel] Honda Civic MPG

2005-08-16 Thread Ray J

and the very obvious question..  Is there a gas leak..??? .  thats 
very poor mileage... i get better than that in my 1997 4 cylinder 
S-10xtended cab pickup...and I beat the heck out of the poor thing


Ray J
WI



Randall wrote:

Also, let's not forget to ask about wheel alignment...how are the 
tires wearing?  Any pulling?


--Randall


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I am 18 and not sure where I want to go to college. I might take the
year off, as it is so late to be signing up. My question for everyone
is, does anyone here know of some good colleges, preferably in the New
England area, that have specialty biofuel(or related) courses? That
would be a great help to me.  Also, I wanted to add an amazing
discovery/question that I found this past week. I drive a 1992 honda
civic. I just did a full tune up, including O2 sensor, plugs, wires,
cap  rotor, etc. I drove from FL to MA, and i got about 23 MPG. This
is in a 1.5L engine in a  car weighing maybe 1600 lbs fully loaded
with 106 base HP. I then drove my father's car south( a 2000 Cadillac
Deville), from Ma to FL, and got an amazing surprise : his 4.6L
American engine with about 300 base HP pulling a car weighing maybe
3000Lbs empty got  28MPG. I also found that in the city, his car's
gas mileage was 18 MPG, where mine is about 13. Now I admit to owning
a foot of lead, but does anyone know how this is possible as i drove
both vehicles, and with regular gas? The calculations were correct for
MPG. Any input would be appreciated. ~ Paul

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Re: [Biofuel] emulsion wash test

2005-08-16 Thread Ray J

thats funny,   i have been studying biodiesel processors on the net for 
over a year now and dont think i have hardly ever seen a sealed wash 
tank... in fact most i see are open top drums


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The smell is methanol.  DO NOT BREATH THESE VAPORS.  The transfer
should be done from sealed and vented processor to sealed and
vented washtank.

Ray

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:22:53 -0400, Todd Hershberger 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:



I processed about 60 liters after some successful test batches. I was
disappointed to discover a thick middle layer of emulsion when I did 
the  violent

shake test.


Should I gently stir wash the fuel? Reprocess it using 10% methanol 
w/  3.5 grams

of lye? or as virgin oil?


I know my process needs improvement. This was my first large batch 
over  1 liter.



My other question is. When I pumped the biodiesel from the reactor 
to  the wash
tank, there was a noxious smell from the fuel coming out of the the 
55  gallon
drum. It was kind of choking and eye imitating. I didn't breathe much 
of  it. The

fuel was still warm coming out after 24 hours of settling.


Is that just smell of unwashed biodiesel with contaminants?


Thanks,

Todd


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ITSMedia - Goshen College

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Re: [Biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion

2005-08-16 Thread damiandolan

Hi All,

am working on heater conversion to veg. oil, has any-one required temp 
recommended that gives viscostiy as per kerosene? We have legalised rape 
(seed-oil) that is in Ireland and are looking to change from kerosene.

Any help/advice with tempretures/problems encountered etc, gratefully accepted,

Good Luck to all, 

long live the green revolution-evolution!!

dD






Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

  
  Chris:
  I'm by no means an expert (just getting started myself).  It has been
  suggested to me by a friend to check out http://greasel.com/ , who seem
  to know what they are doing.  As I understand the systems, you'll need a
  small dino fuel tank to use for cold starts.  You need to switch to the
  dino tank BEFORE SHUTTING DOWN in order to purge the lines of the SVO -
  especially in colder climates.  I live in Florida and have been running
  a 1981 300SD on 90% WVO for a few months now.  (Can't quite let myself
  go 100% yet).  I imagine I'll need to get to somewhere around 30%-50%
  dino diesel for the winter as I have no heater.  You also need to keep
  your eye on the fuel filter(s) - especially on Waste oils.  I keep a
  spare in the trunk, with the right screwdriver and a flashlight (I just
  know it will give up at night, when it's raining, on a new moon, when
  I'm driving across the everglades).  Loss of power is the first sign of
  a plugged fuel filter.  Although they say there is less BTU in the WVO,
  I notice better performance in the car, quieter engine noise, and
  certainly no black soot in the exhaust.  I pity the folks behind me who
  keep looking for the restaurant where that delicious smell is coming
  from.  Good Luck!
  
  
  
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  Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:31:30 -0700 (PDT)
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  Subject: [Biofuel] SVO Kits
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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  Hello all,
  
  After a few years of dreaming, I am about to finally
  buy a Mercedes to convert to SVO! In the last year or
  more, I have learned so much from this biofuels list,
  it's a great resource, and I would be grateful to get
  some opinions on what the best SVO kit is to use. This
  kit will be on a 1979 - 1985 MBZ 300 series TD. I will
  have $700 - $1000 to spend on the kit, and most likely
  will install it myself. I like the idea of a One Tank
  System. Any preferences on 1 or 2 tank systems? Which
  1 tank systems are better? Thanks for the help.
  
  -Chris Davidson 
  
  
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[Biofuel] SVO Kits

2005-08-16 Thread chris davidson

Hello all,

After a few years of dreaming, I am about to finally
buy a Mercedes to convert to SVO! In the last year or
more, I have learned so much from this biofuels list,
it's a great resource, and I would be grateful to get
some opinions on what the best SVO kit is to use. This
kit will be on a 1979 - 1985 MBZ 300 series TD. I will
have $700 - $1000 to spend on the kit, and most likely
will install it myself. I like the idea of a One Tank
System. Any preferences on 1 or 2 tank systems? Which
1 tank systems are better? Thanks for the help.

-Chris Davidson 

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Re: [Biofuel] emulsion wash test

2005-08-16 Thread ings . group


Ray J

I would agree with your visual acuity.  However, the key to any
chemical lab work is that the worker is not to be exposed to the
process fumes.  It is air pollution in concentrated form.  Not to
be disrespectful, but you are viewing the low-budget handiwork of
untrained mechanics (for the most part).  If there are any who made
such displays in spite of being professionals then they should be
ashamed.

Especially harmful are the methanol and methoxide (methanol and
sodium hydroxide combined).  I think (hope) that the pics you see
of open wash tanks are (and should be labelled) for graphic
demonstration only.

I believe that the first and second washes should be in closed/vented
systems for sure, when methanol and methoxide residuals are a
definite threat.  The drying step should be relatively innocuous
and is much easier in an open container.

Ray

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:50:04 -0400, Ray J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

thats funny,   i have been studying biodiesel processors on the net for  
over a year now and dont think i have hardly ever seen a sealed wash  
tank... in fact most i see are open top drums


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The smell is methanol.  DO NOT BREATH THESE VAPORS.  The transfer
should be done from sealed and vented processor to sealed and
vented washtank.

Ray

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:22:53 -0400, Todd Hershberger  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:



I processed about 60 liters after some successful test batches. I was
disappointed to discover a thick middle layer of emulsion when I did  
the  violent

shake test.


Should I gently stir wash the fuel? Reprocess it using 10% methanol  
w/  3.5 grams

of lye? or as virgin oil?


I know my process needs improvement. This was my first large batch  
over  1 liter.



My other question is. When I pumped the biodiesel from the reactor to   
the wash
tank, there was a noxious smell from the fuel coming out of the the  
55  gallon
drum. It was kind of choking and eye imitating. I didn't breathe much  
of  it. The

fuel was still warm coming out after 24 hours of settling.


Is that just smell of unwashed biodiesel with contaminants?


Thanks,

Todd


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ITSMedia - Goshen College

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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Keith,

You're saying Ebay picks and chooses which of its own rules to follow
and when?  Perhaps so but if that is the case, at least we know it is
Ebay doing the suppressing unless you think they are getting squeezed by
someone.

Thanks for the advice to delete irrelevant material.

Tim Schlueter

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:49 AM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Why are these cards banned on Ebay?  Perhaps it has to do with this 
statement from Ebay:

Only copyright owners are permitted to sell items or products which 
are intended to be delivered to the buyer by electronic download 
through the Internet. Sellers who own the copyrights to this 
downloadable media being sold must state this fact in their listings 
and must be able to prove this ownership to eBay.

In other words, the reason for the ban may have to do with copyright 
legalities as opposed to some sort of governmentally imposed 
restriction, which the statement below leads one to believe.

Tim

:-) Believe the small print if you like.

Quite a regular item offered on eBay is this:

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/z/woh1.j
pg

Taken directly from our site, the description also taken directly 
from our site, and offered as original plans for sale at $20 or 
something similar. It was JtF who resurrected these plans, but, as 
acknowledged, the copyright belongs to Mother Earth News, but there's 
zero acknowledgement of either JtF or MEN. Try telling eBay about it 
- I got exactly nowhere, and neither did several other people.

Please trim irrelevant previous material from your posts Tim, you're 
wasting tons of bandwidth. Thankyou.

Keith Addison
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KYOTO Pref., Japan
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:08 AM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Hakan wrote:
Wonder from which industries they are coming?

Hakan, at the following website you can see their backgrounds
by looking at each card in a card game that shows backgrounds
of people working with the administration:

http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/

Each suit in the deck represents a category:
   Oil, gas, and energy companies
   US government officials
   Military and defense contractors
   Heads of industry, finance, media, policy, and hype

Go here to select each category to find information on each
person
http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/cards/index.html

The sale of the card game has been banned on ebay

To see a little about Cheney's background with Halliburton see
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/printabl
e595214.shtml
Doing Business With The Enemy  Jan. 25, 2004

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and other neoconservatives were
part of the Project for the New American Century plan to invade
Iraq in 1997. They tried to get Clinton interested, but failed. They
didn't fail with Bush. See their names on the statement of
principles at:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm


snip


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[Biofuel] Re: The New Blue States/Country


Hello Tim


Keith,

You're saying Ebay picks and chooses which of its own rules to follow
and when?


I'm saying what I said. I won't extrapolate from only one case, 
though it's unlikely to be the only such case. Whatever, it surely 
contradicts your conjecture over copyright.



Perhaps so but if that is the case, at least we know it is
Ebay doing the suppressing unless you think they are getting squeezed by
someone.


I could imagine them succumbing to political pressure over the cards, 
even in advance of any such pressure, they wouldn't be the first, and 
otherwise I could imagine them not giving a damn.


I'm a bit puzzled by your ongoing questions about foreign aid. I 
believe it's been pointed out that there's a lot of info in the list 
archives on this subject, and then I posted a whole lot more, and you 
seem to ignore it. Why so, if you're genuinely interested? Or are you 
just trolling?


Keith




Thanks for the advice to delete irrelevant material.

Tim Schlueter

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:49 AM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Why are these cards banned on Ebay?  Perhaps it has to do with this
statement from Ebay:

Only copyright owners are permitted to sell items or products which
are intended to be delivered to the buyer by electronic download
through the Internet. Sellers who own the copyrights to this
downloadable media being sold must state this fact in their listings
and must be able to prove this ownership to eBay.

In other words, the reason for the ban may have to do with copyright
legalities as opposed to some sort of governmentally imposed
restriction, which the statement below leads one to believe.

Tim

:-) Believe the small print if you like.

Quite a regular item offered on eBay is this:

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/z/woh1.j
pg

Taken directly from our site, the description also taken directly
from our site, and offered as original plans for sale at $20 or
something similar. It was JtF who resurrected these plans, but, as
acknowledged, the copyright belongs to Mother Earth News, but there's
zero acknowledgement of either JtF or MEN. Try telling eBay about it
- I got exactly nowhere, and neither did several other people.

Please trim irrelevant previous material from your posts Tim, you're
wasting tons of bandwidth. Thankyou.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Biofuel list owner




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:08 AM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Hakan wrote:
Wonder from which industries they are coming?

Hakan, at the following website you can see their backgrounds
by looking at each card in a card game that shows backgrounds
of people working with the administration:

http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/

Each suit in the deck represents a category:
Oil, gas, and energy companies
US government officials
Military and defense contractors
Heads of industry, finance, media, policy, and hype

Go here to select each category to find information on each
person
http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/cards/index.html

The sale of the card game has been banned on ebay

To see a little about Cheney's background with Halliburton see
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/printabl
e595214.shtml
Doing Business With The Enemy   Jan. 25, 2004

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and other neoconservatives were
part of the Project for the New American Century plan to invade
Iraq in 1997. They tried to get Clinton interested, but failed. They
didn't fail with Bush. See their names on the statement of
principles at:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm


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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Kim,

Bless you!  So many people are proud of their money regardless of how
they earned it.  However, would there be any validity to the statement
that your lifestyle would not be possible if not for the capitalistic,
corporate driven, free society in which we live?  If so, that would be a
horrible piece of irony.  I'm not being antagonistic.  I guess I'm just
lost in America with a couple hundred million others.

Tim

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Travis
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Greetings Tim,

You are more than correct about many things.  Few and far between are
the 
honest humans, but there are a few.  Fortunately for me, you can't pay
me 
enough for me to work at anything that I can't be proud of.  I have
never 
been that fond of money.

I like my benefits better than any a corporation could give me.  Plenty
of 
fresh air, sunshine, super healthy food, loving animals, no chemicals in
my 
environment.  No smokers and I work at my own rate and time.

Bright Blessings,
Kim


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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks


Virginia...

do you want me to call and see if it is still available?

I saw it on craigslist.org - Washington DC

-Mike



aidan, cathy  brad wrote:


mike...where are you located? rbury
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 08:24  AM, Mike Weaver wrote:


There is a 7.3 w/ 30k for sale here for 1200.00


Greg and April wrote:

What size of engine can the 6.9L replace? I have a 85 Grand Marque  
with a defunct 5L engine.

Greg H.

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*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

If I'm correct, Ford first used a diesel on their pick up line on
'82, it was the 6.9liter made by International(Navistar) which
evolved later to the 7.3liter.If a recall allright, it is a direct
bolt-on swap, those diesel should mate any Ford transmission,
standard or auto (for the auto, the C6 is recommended).The engine
mounts might be slighlty different, but a visit to the local Ford
parts dealer should help you find the adequate engine-to-frame  
mounts.


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*Subject:* RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

Ford did as dodge does. For years ford installed international
harvester engines in there trucks and vans but represented
them as a ford product. Don’t get me wrong they were good
engines but I never saw a turbo unit. Im not sure when ford
came out with there powerstroke. Dodge has always used Cummins
ether 12 or 24 valve also very strong good engines.

Good luck Derick

 
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*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

we have a Ford '72 F250 that has really low mileage on it and
were considering a diesel conversion. how far back did Ford
make diesels for their trucks (assuming that they do.) any
input would be appreciated.
On Saturday, August 13, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Tom Irwin wrote:

Hi All,

It looks like I´m finally going redneck and buying my first
pickup truck. Of course, it will be a diesel. I was looking at
used Chevy S-10´s, particularly the double cabin variety as I
have two small kids. I´m looking for a tough, long lasting
vehicle that I can haul building materials, worm bins, bagged
vermicompost, and drums of waste oil and ethanol. I´d also be
using it to get my wife and I to work and the kids to school.
I´m not interested in something sexy, I married her. I need a
working vehicle. Any suggestions out there. Of the vehicles I
saw in the archives, there were things like hybrids that I
really don´t think I need. Any Brazilian pickups that run on
straight ethanol I would certainly consider. It´s just that
I´m planning on generating my own electricity and heating my
house with a diesel generator. It doesn´t really make much
sense to me at this point to go ethanol.

Thanks,

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Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country


Oh, man!  I just wasted $20.00!!

Keith Addison wrote:

Why are these cards banned on Ebay?  Perhaps it has to do with this 
statement from Ebay:


Only copyright owners are permitted to sell items or products which 
are intended to be delivered to the buyer by electronic download 
through the Internet. Sellers who own the copyrights to this 
downloadable media being sold must state this fact in their listings 
and must be able to prove this ownership to eBay.


In other words, the reason for the ban may have to do with copyright 
legalities as opposed to some sort of governmentally imposed 
restriction, which the statement below leads one to believe.


Tim



:-) Believe the small print if you like.

Quite a regular item offered on eBay is this:

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/z/woh1.jpg 



Taken directly from our site, the description also taken directly from 
our site, and offered as original plans for sale at $20 or something 
similar. It was JtF who resurrected these plans, but, as acknowledged, 
the copyright belongs to Mother Earth News, but there's zero 
acknowledgement of either JtF or MEN. Try telling eBay about it - I 
got exactly nowhere, and neither did several other people.


Please trim irrelevant previous material from your posts Tim, you're 
wasting tons of bandwidth. Thankyou.


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Re: [Biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion


Do you filter your WVO?

Andy Karpay wrote:


Chris:
I'm by no means an expert (just getting started myself).  It has been
suggested to me by a friend to check out http://greasel.com/ , who seem
to know what they are doing.  As I understand the systems, you'll need a
small dino fuel tank to use for cold starts.  You need to switch to the
dino tank BEFORE SHUTTING DOWN in order to purge the lines of the SVO -
especially in colder climates.  I live in Florida and have been running
a 1981 300SD on 90% WVO for a few months now.  (Can't quite let myself
go 100% yet).  I imagine I'll need to get to somewhere around 30%-50%
dino diesel for the winter as I have no heater.  You also need to keep
your eye on the fuel filter(s) - especially on Waste oils.  I keep a
spare in the trunk, with the right screwdriver and a flashlight (I just
know it will give up at night, when it's raining, on a new moon, when
I'm driving across the everglades).  Loss of power is the first sign of
a plugged fuel filter.  Although they say there is less BTU in the WVO,
I notice better performance in the car, quieter engine noise, and
certainly no black soot in the exhaust.  I pity the folks behind me who
keep looking for the restaurant where that delicious smell is coming
from.  Good Luck!



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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:31:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] SVO Kits
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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Hello all,

After a few years of dreaming, I am about to finally
buy a Mercedes to convert to SVO! In the last year or
more, I have learned so much from this biofuels list,
it's a great resource, and I would be grateful to get
some opinions on what the best SVO kit is to use. This
kit will be on a 1979 - 1985 MBZ 300 series TD. I will
have $700 - $1000 to spend on the kit, and most likely
will install it myself. I like the idea of a One Tank
System. Any preferences on 1 or 2 tank systems? Which
1 tank systems are better? Thanks for the help.

-Chris Davidson 



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[Biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion

2005-08-16 Thread Andy Karpay

Chris:
I'm by no means an expert (just getting started myself).  It has been
suggested to me by a friend to check out http://greasel.com/ , who seem
to know what they are doing.  As I understand the systems, you'll need a
small dino fuel tank to use for cold starts.  You need to switch to the
dino tank BEFORE SHUTTING DOWN in order to purge the lines of the SVO -
especially in colder climates.  I live in Florida and have been running
a 1981 300SD on 90% WVO for a few months now.  (Can't quite let myself
go 100% yet).  I imagine I'll need to get to somewhere around 30%-50%
dino diesel for the winter as I have no heater.  You also need to keep
your eye on the fuel filter(s) - especially on Waste oils.  I keep a
spare in the trunk, with the right screwdriver and a flashlight (I just
know it will give up at night, when it's raining, on a new moon, when
I'm driving across the everglades).  Loss of power is the first sign of
a plugged fuel filter.  Although they say there is less BTU in the WVO,
I notice better performance in the car, quieter engine noise, and
certainly no black soot in the exhaust.  I pity the folks behind me who
keep looking for the restaurant where that delicious smell is coming
from.  Good Luck!



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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:31:30 -0700 (PDT)
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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Hello all,

After a few years of dreaming, I am about to finally
buy a Mercedes to convert to SVO! In the last year or
more, I have learned so much from this biofuels list,
it's a great resource, and I would be grateful to get
some opinions on what the best SVO kit is to use. This
kit will be on a 1979 - 1985 MBZ 300 series TD. I will
have $700 - $1000 to spend on the kit, and most likely
will install it myself. I like the idea of a One Tank
System. Any preferences on 1 or 2 tank systems? Which
1 tank systems are better? Thanks for the help.

-Chris Davidson 


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[Biofuel] Re: emulsion wash test


Hello Todd

Thanks for the help everyone.  I wasn't aware that the wash tank 
should also be sealed.


Closed, with a vent to outside while the tank's filling.


I thought most of the methanol went out with the glycerine drain.


Most does, the rest is in the biodiesel. The warmer the fuel the more 
the methanol will fume.



Are other people using a sealed wash tank?

So is anyone recommending a virgin reprocessing like JTF suggests?


Why not? It's bound to tell you something useful.


Will a complete wash (until water is clear and ph neutral)


... or pH the same as your tap-water.


remove all of the unreacted contaminates  (glycerides, methanol, lye)?


Not necessarily all the glycerides.

Why don't you try Jan's recent suggestion too?

http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 
5-August/002500.html

[Biofuel] Quality Test
Or:
http://snipurl.com/gzty

For some perspective on methanol toxicity:

Methanol occurs naturally in humans, animals and plants. It is a 
natural constituent in blood, urine, saliva and expired air. A mean 
urinary methanol level of 0.73 mg/litre (range 0.3-2.61 mg/litre) in 
unexposed individuals and a range of 0.06 to 0.32 µg/litre in 
expired air have been reported...


The two most important sources of background body burdens for 
methanol and formate are diet and metabolic processes. Methanol is 
available in the diet principally from fresh fruits and vegetables, 
fruit juices (average 140 mg/litre, range 12 to 640 mg/litre), 
fermented beverages (up to 1.5 g/litre) and diet foods (principally 
soft drinks). The artificial sweetener aspartame is widely used and, 
on hydrolysis, 10% (by weight) of the molecule is converted to free 
methanol, which is available for absorption...


Elimination of methanol from the blood via the urine and exhaled 
air and by metabolism appears to be slow in all species, especially 
when compared to ethanol. Clearance proceeds with reported 
half-times of 24 h or more with doses greater than 1 g/kg and 
half-times of 2.5-3 h for doses less than 0.1 g/kg...


The minimum lethal dose of methanol in the absence of medical 
treatment is between 0.3 and 1 g/kg.


Also:

Many national occupational health exposure limits suggest that 
workers are protected from any adverse effects if exposures do not 
exceed a time-weighted average of 260 mg/m3 (200 ppm) methanol for 
any 8-h day and for a 40-h working week.


From: United Nations Environment Programme / International Labour 
Organisation / World Health Organization: International Programme On 
Chemical Safety, Environmental Health Criteria 196 - Methanol

http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc196.htm


Sure it's poisonous, a lot of things we use all the time are 
poisonous, treat them with care and respect, but there's a certain 
amount of fear-mongering about methanol (especially by SVO people).


The minimum lethal dose of methanol in the absence of medical 
treatment is between 0.3 and 1 g/kg.


That's at least half an ounce, or up to three ounces, rather more 
than a quick whiff, and if you can get to a doctor fairly quickly 
that's not much of a problem either.


Anyway methanol exposure is easily avoided.

Best

Keith



Thanks,
Todd


On Aug 16, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Greg and April wrote:

I have made soap before, and it sounds like the what soap smells 
like before the lye has completely reacted.Any possibility that 
you have an un-completed reacted BD?


Greg H.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:22
Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion wash test

Snip

Is that just smell of unwashed biodiesel with contaminants?

Thanks,
Todd


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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

2005-08-16 Thread aidan, cathy brad


mike...where are you located? rbury
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 08:24  AM, Mike Weaver wrote:


There is a 7.3 w/ 30k for sale here for 1200.00


Greg and April wrote:

What size of engine can the 6.9L replace? I have a 85 Grand Marque  
with a defunct 5L engine.

Greg H.

- Original Message -
*From:* Wireless Data Transfer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2005 21:24
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

If I'm correct, Ford first used a diesel on their pick up line on
'82, it was the 6.9liter made by International(Navistar) which
evolved later to the 7.3liter.If a recall allright, it is a direct
bolt-on swap, those diesel should mate any Ford transmission,
standard or auto (for the auto, the C6 is recommended).The engine
mounts might be slighlty different, but a visit to the local Ford
parts dealer should help you find the adequate engine-to-frame  
mounts.


- Original Message -
*From:* DERICK GIORCHINO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM
*Subject:* RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

Ford did as dodge does. For years ford installed international
harvester engines in there trucks and vans but represented
them as a ford product. Don’t get me wrong they were good
engines but I never saw a turbo unit. Im not sure when ford
came out with there powerstroke. Dodge has always used Cummins
ether 12 or 24 valve also very strong good engines.

Good luck Derick

 
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*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

we have a Ford '72 F250 that has really low mileage on it and
were considering a diesel conversion. how far back did Ford
make diesels for their trucks (assuming that they do.) any
input would be appreciated.
On Saturday, August 13, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Tom Irwin wrote:

Hi All,

It looks like I´m finally going redneck and buying my first
pickup truck. Of course, it will be a diesel. I was looking at
used Chevy S-10´s, particularly the double cabin variety as I
have two small kids. I´m looking for a tough, long lasting
vehicle that I can haul building materials, worm bins, bagged
vermicompost, and drums of waste oil and ethanol. I´d also be
using it to get my wife and I to work and the kids to school.
I´m not interested in something sexy, I married her. I need a
working vehicle. Any suggestions out there. Of the vehicles I
saw in the archives, there were things like hybrids that I
really don´t think I need. Any Brazilian pickups that run on
straight ethanol I would certainly consider. It´s just that
I´m planning on generating my own electricity and heating my
house with a diesel generator. It doesn´t really make much
sense to me at this point to go ethanol.

Thanks,

Tom Irwin









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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

Kim,

Gracious me!  As they say the meek shall inherit the earth!  I believe
that you fit that bill.  How soothing and reflective are your words.
You must yearn for Canada.  I am curious as to what you are referring to
wrt American attitudes?  It doesn't sound very complimentary.  Not
that I'm offended though I am interested in your perspective.

Tim

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Travis
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Greetings,

I moved to the US in my midthirties, so I did not grow up with American 
attitudes.  While Canadians do share many things with the US, we did not

share all of them.  I was never told that it was un-Canadian to do for 
myself or to make things at home.  I am criticized in this manner about 
once a week, here in Texas.

Once upon a time, I thought I knew what was right in politics.  Now the 
only thing I do know, is that if you want to have an opinion, you had 
better do some serious homework.  Even then, somewhere down the road, 
something that was done by the leadership in the shadows will come to
light 
and make you wish you had never supported them.

I have no answers to such questions.  I do try to live lightly on Mother

Earth, to be accepting of others as long as they cause no harm to me and

mine, and to try to make the world a better place for all of us.  This
is 
enough of a challenge, for me.

Bright Blessings,
Kim


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RE: [Biofuel] Re: The New Blue States/Country

Keith,

I apologize for what appears to be trolling.  I'm looking to exchange
perceptions, judgments and opinions more than anything.  A person can
look at data all day long and still not be able to make sense of it all.
Thanks for your patience.

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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

2005-08-16 Thread aidan, cathy brad


no. that's ok. we're out in portland, or. thank you though! ...rbury
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:04  PM, Mike Weaver wrote:


Virginia...

do you want me to call and see if it is still available?

I saw it on craigslist.org - Washington DC

-Mike



aidan, cathy  brad wrote:


mike...where are you located? rbury
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 08:24  AM, Mike Weaver wrote:


There is a 7.3 w/ 30k for sale here for 1200.00


Greg and April wrote:

What size of engine can the 6.9L replace? I have a 85 Grand Marque   
with a defunct 5L engine.

Greg H.

- Original Message -
*From:* Wireless Data Transfer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2005 21:24
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

If I'm correct, Ford first used a diesel on their pick up line  
on

'82, it was the 6.9liter made by International(Navistar) which
evolved later to the 7.3liter.If a recall allright, it is a  
direct

bolt-on swap, those diesel should mate any Ford transmission,
standard or auto (for the auto, the C6 is recommended).The  
engine
mounts might be slighlty different, but a visit to the local  
Ford
parts dealer should help you find the adequate engine-to-frame   
mounts.


- Original Message -
*From:* DERICK GIORCHINO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM
*Subject:* RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

Ford did as dodge does. For years ford installed  
international

harvester engines in there trucks and vans but represented
them as a ford product. Don’t get me wrong they were good
engines but I never saw a turbo unit. Im not sure when ford
came out with there powerstroke. Dodge has always used  
Cummins

ether 12 or 24 valve also very strong good engines.

Good luck Derick

  
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*aidan, cathy  brad
*Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:38 AM
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

we have a Ford '72 F250 that has really low mileage on it  
and

were considering a diesel conversion. how far back did Ford
make diesels for their trucks (assuming that they do.) any
input would be appreciated.
On Saturday, August 13, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Tom Irwin wrote:

Hi All,

It looks like I´m finally going redneck and buying my first
pickup truck. Of course, it will be a diesel. I was looking  
at
used Chevy S-10´s, particularly the double cabin variety as  
I

have two small kids. I´m looking for a tough, long lasting
vehicle that I can haul building materials, worm bins,  
bagged
vermicompost, and drums of waste oil and ethanol. I´d also  
be
using it to get my wife and I to work and the kids to  
school.
I´m not interested in something sexy, I married her. I need  
a
working vehicle. Any suggestions out there. Of the vehicles  
I

saw in the archives, there were things like hybrids that I
really don´t think I need. Any Brazilian pickups that run on
straight ethanol I would certainly consider. It´s just that
I´m planning on generating my own electricity and heating my
house with a diesel generator. It doesn´t really make much
sense to me at this point to go ethanol.

Thanks,

Tom Irwin









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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Pick Up Trucks

2005-08-16 Thread robert luis rabello




no. that's ok. we're out in portland, or. thank you though! ...rbury
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:04  PM, Mike Weaver wrote:



	Oregon or Maine?  I know someone in Washington State right now who is 
trying to unload TWO diesel Rangers for $550.  I might be interested 
in an engine, but I certainly DON'T need another truck.



robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

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Re: [Biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion