Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Dingel says he wants the money from his inventions to go directly to the people of the Phillipines. If he were a charlatan he would want the money for himself and then disappear with it. IMO, I think he's got something and I hope he finds a foundation, investor, etc., he trusts enough to get his technology tweaked mass produced. But the chances are slim at best. It is the same with other inventors like him. One exception, (there may be others?) from Rome, Georgia, stopped using the phrase over unity and was able to get his product which uses cavitation to heat up water, to market. He's now got a successful business going. But if he were using this to power cars, which he doesn't, I doubt if he would be in business. See: http://www.hydrodynamics.com/ Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water miki de mla wrote: I guess we just have to see the gadget to believe his claims... Be skeptical. Eyes can be deceived. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
Hi Jim, Chris and all Hi Chris, Keep in mind we are talking about two Separate catalysts here one is this Sugar Acid catalyst and the other is the ACID/BASE catalyst one developed by the University of IA. I agree with you the Sugar acid Catalyst sound rather energy intense and may not do the whole job ether. Now on the other hand the University of IA catalyst is one that can be used for the whole job and holds the promise of not having to spend the energy of washing and drying the fuel. Nothing is known how it is made so it is yet to be learned what kind of energy goes into is making. But there are so many new catalysts. I get the impression it's a sort of wide open subject to publish a paper on, especially if the whole subject has caught people's attention. And universities, especially US ones, have their publicity departments now and their magic marketplace imperatives for commercial spin-offs, along with publish or perish. So it's been quite hard to find a new catalyst that wasn't going to save the world. I suppose they all worked well, after all there aren't any pink elephants within thousands of miles of here. Very few of them ever come out of the laboratory. You know, like the famous supercritical methanol method. I don't as yet see anything much different about the U of IA effort. Of course it's worth checking, but I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not that bothered by pink elephants anyway. It's not as if we don't have everything we need right now. Which is not to say there's no need to go on developing it, and exploring all options, a major reason we're all here. This is an interesting piece about catalysts, by William Christie (apparently where Biox got it from): Methylation of fatty acids, William W. Christie, Scottish Crop Research Institute: Three interesting papers online: Preparation of methyl esters -- Part 1. Lipid Technology, 2, 48-49 (1990). Preparation of methyl esters -- Part 2. Lipid Technology, 2, 79-80 (1990). Why I dislike boron trifluoride-methanol. Lipid Technology, 6, 66-68 (1994). http://www.lipidlibrary.co.uk/topics/methests/ I wonder how much energy and fossil fuel goes into manufacturing a gram of KOH? A good question. Maybe none. You can find a gram of KOH in a bit of woodash. Not the only thing you'll find there, true, but it's mostly KOH. You can certainly make good liquid soap with it, and some people do use it for making biodiesel. There's been a page on it at our website for six years, but not much attention has been paid to it. I don't think a good approach to using it has been developed, and I'd really like to see such a thing. It's been on my do list for ages, I really must get round to it. Several people have written to me about it in the last month or two but I haven't heard back from them yet. There's woodash and woodash, it's not all the same. Best Keith Jim Chris Tan wrote: The way I see it, this new catalyst isn't environment friendly at all. So much energy is needed to pyrolyse sugar at 400 degrees centigrade for 15 hours. On top of that, you need to heat it at 150 degrees with 200mL of concentrated sulfuric acid for another 15 hours. Then you need to wash it to remove the acid. So then where will the acid wash water go? Down the drain? Not to mention the fumes produced during the whole process. With 200mL of sulfuric acid you could have treated 200L of WVO. They say the new stuff is reusable but I'm pretty sure it is impossible to complete recover 100% of the catalyst after use. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:37 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Mike, I think you have hit it on the head, The sugar catalyst is plays the role of the Acid in the two stage reaction but I don't think it will complete a reaction all on its own. And the fact that it is reusable is on its own a benefit but unless times and temps are increase beyond the layman grasp I remain very skeptical of it. Now on the other hand this IA State catalyst really shows promise as it would eliminate washing altogether -no?. Well enough of my presumptions - we are witnessing some interesting developments in biofuels. Best Jim Mike McGinness wrote: John, It says the particles are made of sand and calcium. The actual catalysts are attached to the surface of the particle and the active catalyst compound is not described (except to call them mixed oxides). I say catalysts because they mention having both acid and base catalysts on the same particles. by creating a mixed oxide catalyst that has both acidic and basic catalytic sites. Acidic catalysts on the particle can convert the free fatty acids to biodiesel while basic catalysts can convert
Re: [Biofuel] HELP
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
there are several issues which i think makes mr. dingle's invention unacceptable to many 1. his invention was first announced in the late 1960s and for 40 years he can not properly explain a coherent technical explanation of major issues of his inventions. it is not even patented (last time i heard). an example would be the initial energy requirement to start the system. there are so many inventions around the world that can be explained properly without revealing the critical things. he may not have the technical education to do so in the beginning but for 40 years he must at least come up with a good technical explanation. 2. his reluctance to open up his gadget is understandable but he also do not want to let his engines be subjected to a standard tests. an example an engineer suggested to place a white blank paper near the exhaust and let his engine run. if you dont see black soot in the paper then it might really be running on water because even the cleanest fuel can emit certain amount of carbon gases. 3. whenever he is engaged in a discussion on technical matters he counters with the story that he is prevented by multiunationals, PhDs are jealous, etc. that story was heard time and time again for 30 years. its time to change the storyline 4. he is looking for investors? who can invest on something that doesn't have a guarantee. many companies, groups and individuals who offered him and talk to him thru the years and a number of them are really good and morally upright people with the means to make his invention be propagated and yet he can not find one. is his standard that high? if you are smart enough you can make your investments without sacrificing your principles or without loosing your invention. let us just remember that it took hundreds of years before man accepted that the earth is round. before that the pronouncement that the earth is flat is considered true. in the absence of a verifiable fact any claim remains a claim, no more no less lito abaoag --- miki de mla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dingel lives about a kilometer away from my house and i have observed his activities with interest all these years. His problem is NOT his invention but rather ECONOMICS. The fossil fuel suppliers dont want competition. Last night, I saw on TV representatives of a car manufacturer and of a fossil fuel supplier, highlighting the negative aspects of ethanol and biodiesel. In other words, they dont want ethanol or biodiesel to replace fossil fuel! They say ethanol might contain moisture that can damage vehicles. they also say that carburetors of cars contain materials that can expand, thereby choking the fuel line! They never mention the benefits of ethanol and biodiesel. I heard Dingel say that he busted several engines in his quest to improve his gadget, but instead of being discouraged, he plodded on, even without help from outside. I believe he now has a working model and he just have to compete with fossil fuel suppliers to be able to commercialize his gadget. As an inventor, he is fully aware of inventions being taken away from them if they are not vigilant. He looks for a partner that will grow with him. I guess we just have to see the gadget to believe his claims... JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, How nice Lets see my calculations may be of just a bit but the liter of water takes somewhere around 300Kw hrs of electric energy to split the water into Hydrogen and oxygen at 100% conversion, then put this into any heat engine and reassemble getting back 100 Kw hrs of mechanical energy that is used to propel it. The question is where did he get the original 300Kw hrs and why the hell didn't he just use the electric energy in a motor to retain all 300 Kw hrs hmm Dang it I musta missed something again I think I like vodka better than water anyway. Jim D. Mindock wrote: Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on only water almost 30 years ago. He has 100 engines he has converted that will run on just tap or sea water. Needless to say all the car companies have tried to steal his technology so he is going to share it with anybody and everybody in a partnership with profits going to the Philippine people, but not the government. Watch this video at: http://www.mysticfamilycircus.com/Pages/Community/Projects/h2oh29MB.mov 1 liter of water will run the car for an hour. Very efficient electrolysis is used to get the hydrogen from the water while the car's in operation. Peace, D. Mindock ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
[Biofuel] Rod Barton interview on ABC 7:30 Report ABC, Australia (today)
Keith ( listers), I just saw an interview of Rod Barton, an ex- Intelligence analyst in Australia. He has just released a book on the fiasco of the WMD in Iraq. I recommend following the story up. regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
no, the problem is not economics, its thermodynamics. The first couple of laws of thermodynamics say you don't get something for nothing, and you can't even break even. you have to have an energy source if you want to do work. this is right up there with Newmans free energy energy machine. miki de mla wrote: Dingel lives about a kilometer away from my house and i have observed his activities with interest all these years. His problem is NOT his invention but rather ECONOMICS. The fossil fuel suppliers dont want competition. Last night, I saw on TV representatives of a car manufacturer and of a fossil fuel supplier, highlighting the negative aspects of ethanol and biodiesel. In other words, they dont want ethanol or biodiesel to replace fossil fuel! They say ethanol might contain moisture that can damage vehicles. they also say that carburetors of cars contain materials that can expand, thereby choking the fuel line! They never mention the benefits of ethanol and biodiesel. I heard Dingel say that he busted several engines in his quest to improve his gadget, but instead of being discouraged, he plodded on, even without help from outside. I believe he now has a working model and he just have to compete with fossil fuel suppliers to be able to commercialize his gadget. As an inventor, he is fully aware of inventions being taken away from them if they are not vigilant. He looks for a partner that will grow with him. I guess we just have to see the gadget to believe his claims... */JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hmmm, How nice Lets see my calculations may be of just a bit but the liter of water takes somewhere around 300Kw hrs of electric energy to split the water into Hydrogen and oxygen at 100% conversion, then put this into any heat engine and reassemble getting back 100 Kw hrs of mechanical energy that is used to propel it. The question is where did he get the original 300Kw hrs and why the hell didn't he just use the electric energy in a motor to retain all 300 Kw hrs hmm Dang it I musta missed something again I think I like vodka better than water anyway. Jim D. Mindock wrote: Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on only water almost 30 years ago. He has 100 engines he has converted that will run on just tap or sea water. Needless to say all the car companies have tried to steal his technology so he is going to share it with anybody and everybody in a partnership with profits going to the Philippine people, but not the government. Watch this video at: http://www.mysticfamilycircus.com/Pages/Community/Projects/h2oh29MB.mov 1 liter of water will run the car for an hour. Very efficient electrolysis is used to get the hydrogen from the water while the car's in operation. Peace, D. Mindock ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman9/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/ for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
D. Mindock wrote: Dingel says he wants the money from his inventions to go directly to the people of the Phillipines. Getting money from investors for a product that won't work as claimed, and selling that worthless product to gullible people is a scam, no matter where the funds end up going. I know it sounds noble, but there is NO possibility of water functioning as a fuel. Water is an ash. Hydrogen is an energy carrier for electrical power. It takes a well known amount of energy to electrolyze water into hydrogen and oxygen, but even at better than 100% current efficiency (electrolysis below thermoneutral voltage CAN be endothermic), the energy to split the water molecule HAS to come from somewhere. So this guy claims that an internal combustion engine, which is widely known to discard most of its fuel's energy as WASTE heat, can produce enough power to run itself AND electrolyze water. The maths don't work. While I have no doubt that an engine can run on hydrogen, the evidence of people doing so often falls short on examination. What Mr. Dingle is proposing runs against a vast, verified body of knowledge that has accumulated since the first electrolysis experiments back in the 1800's. I don't believe him, and I think you ought not believe him either. But if you want to take his word on faith, that's your concern. The rest of us should hang onto our wallets. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax
This seems to be inline with the idea of a police state. Collect all the info on citizens possible to be stored in a huge database. The cuckoobird flu scare (a hoax) is to get us to accept that anyone can be detained for silly reasons along with thedatabase of your airlineflights. When they say the data is to be maintained for at least two months, you can believe it will be much longer than that. Just like your online traffic through your ISP, all of it, is to be maintained for at least a year thanks to a proposal byUS Congresswoman DeGette (D-CO).Yes, she calls herself a Democrat. We need to write our Congress reps that this BS won't fly with us.It is wrong that the NSA and the Pentagon are spying on us. BushCo is a fear based, secretive, devisive,newspeak government that is totally controlled by corporate powers. I think this is the definition of a fascist regime. No wonder the world is becoming terrified of our goverment.BushandDead-Eye Dickappearto be out-of-control. Work for Peace, D. Mindock TheHidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax A plan to quarantine sick airline and ship passengers in order to combat a potential bird flu outbreak has outraged health experts, airlines, and civil libertarians. Three-Day Quarantine Sick passengers would be identified by flight attendants, pilots and cruise ship crews. Passengers identified as sick could be detained in quarantine for as long as three days. Detailed Information The proposed rules would also require airlines to collect detailed contact information from their passengers, including the names of any traveling companions and precise information regarding travel plans. The information would be stored for at least two months, and would be provided to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) at any time the government asked for it. USA Today April 25, 2006 Dr. Mercola's Comment: If this newsconcerns you, believe me, you're not alone. Many health experts, as well as airline personnel and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), feel the same way about the various provisions of this plan. The ACLU argues that the plan basically gives the government a free pass to detain whomever it wants to. The airline industry is balking at the $100-million-plus cost of creating and maintaining the huge passenger information database required. Georgina Graham, head of global security for the International Air Transport Association, also pointed out that it's ludicrous to give the job of identifying sick people to flight crews who have no medical training. It's starting to look like there's a hidden agenda behind the manufactured avian flu scare that goes far beyond pushing needless and potentially harmful drugs that don't work anyway. I guess if you can't frighten people with a flu epidemic that never happened, you can limit the rights of travelers and collect private information anyway for the sake of nothing. Sad but true. The entire bird flu scare is one of the most blatant hoaxes ofrecent times, and the popular media continues to reinforce the baseless story. You've been hearing about it for months and months now, and what's come of it? Next to nothing. And nothing ever will, except possibly you losing more of your hard-earned freedoms. We have been warned that anywhere from 200,000 (at best!) to2 million people at worst will die from the bird flu. The bird flu epidemic hoax reminds me just how uncommon "common sense" is. Folks, where is the sound basic science here? How do they make the giant leap of faith that the very few deaths so far worldwide will translate to 2 million or even 200,000 deaths from a virus that does NOT readily spread from birds to humans, or humans to humans? Most of the people who have acquired this infection were bird handlers who were in continuous contact with these sick birds. Does anyone in their right mind envision similar circumstances in the United States? Research like this would typically be thrown in the trash if it did not strongly support some ulterior purpose. What might the purpose of these scare tactics be, you ask? Kickbacks to drug companies is one reason.Their drugs don't work, but the massive windfall from government contracts to help the United States "prepare" against avian flu has helped their bottom lines nicely, not to mention the profits of their allies in the government. And the above article points toward a second, and possibly even more sinister, reason to keep us all afraid. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Crude Glycerin and Hot Compost
Hello Thomas and all, Temperatures above 65 C. are generally considerred to be limiting in that they tend to kill off large groups of microorganisms and slow down the composting process. I suggest turning the pile when temperatures get that high or you will pasturize the pile and need to regrow your biomass once the pile cools down. Large compost piles (usually in a curing/storage stage) have been known to catch on fire if permitted to dry out too much because they had not finished degrading bug edible material. Tom Irwin Snip 48 hours later the temp of the pile was 160F (71C)!!!. This wasn't the center of the pile, but rather 12 inches in. Itook readings at 4 places. Are there any negatives to achieving such high temps(160F or more)? Snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax
D. Mindock wrote: You know, I'm just flat amazed to find Mr Mindock, whom I regarded as about as liberal as they come, in complete agreement with Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the conservative radio gang on anything. And here it is, in black and white. FWIW, which isn't much, I don't think bugs care at all about conspiracies, politics, or big drug companies. I think bugs mutate. Whether bird flu eventually mutates into something that can be passed from person to person because of agribusiness, free range birds, or pigs being fed infected chickens doesn't really matter once it starts to spread. --- David This seems to be inline with the idea of a police state. Collect all the info on citizens possible to be stored in a huge database. The cuckoo bird flu scare (a hoax) is to get us to accept that anyone can be detained for silly reasons along with the database of your airline flights. When they say the data is to be maintained for at least two months, you can believe it will be much longer than that. Just like your online traffic through your ISP, all of it, is to be maintained for at least a year thanks to a proposal by US Congresswoman DeGette (D-CO). Yes, she calls herself a Democrat. We need to write our Congress reps that this BS won't fly with us. It is wrong that the NSA and the Pentagon are spying on us. BushCo is a fear based, secretive, devisive, newspeak government that is totally controlled by corporate powers. I think this is the definition of a fascist regime. No wonder the world is becoming terrified of our goverment. Bush and Dead-Eye Dick appear to be out-of-control. Work for Peace, D. Mindock The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax Bird FluA plan to quarantine sick airline and ship passengers in order to combat a potential bird flu outbreak has outraged health experts, airlines, and civil libertarians. *Three-Day Quarantine* Sick passengers would be identified by flight attendants, pilots and cruise ship crews. Passengers identified as sick could be detained in quarantine for as long as three days. *Detailed Information* The proposed rules would also require airlines to collect detailed contact information from their passengers, including the names of any traveling companions and precise information regarding travel plans. The information would be stored for at least two months, and would be provided to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) at any time the government asked for it. USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-04-24-flu-quarantine_x.htm April 25, 2006 Dr. Mercola's Comment: If this news concerns you, believe me, you're not alone. Many health experts, as well as airline personnel and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), feel the same way about the various provisions of this plan. The ACLU argues that the plan basically gives the government a free pass to detain whomever it wants to. The airline industry is balking at the $100-million-plus cost of creating and maintaining the huge passenger information database required. Georgina Graham, head of global security for the International Air Transport Association, also pointed out that it's ludicrous to give the job of identifying sick people to flight crews who have no medical training. It's starting to look like there's a hidden agenda behind the manufactured avian flu scare http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/avian_flu_epidemic_is_a_hoax.htm that goes far beyond pushing needless and potentially harmful drugs that don't work anyway http://www.mercola.com/2006/feb/4/flu_drugs_dont_work.htm. I guess if you can't frighten people with a flu epidemic that never happened http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/rumsfeld_to_profit_from_avian_flu_hoax.htm, you can limit the rights of travelers and collect private information anyway for the sake of nothing. *Sad but true.* *The entire bird flu scare is one of the most blatant hoaxes of recent times, and the popular media continues to reinforce the baseless story. You've been hearing about it for months and months now, and what's come of it? Next to nothing. * *And nothing ever will, except possibly you losing more of your hard-earned freedoms.* *We have been warned that anywhere from 200,000 (at best!) to 2 million people at worst will die http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/avian_flu_epidemic_is_a_hoax.htm from the bird flu. The bird flu epidemic hoax reminds me just how uncommon common sense is. Folks, where is the sound basic science here? * *How do they make the giant leap of faith that the very few deaths so far worldwide will translate to 2 million or even 200,000 deaths from a virus that does NOT readily spread from birds to humans, or humans to humans?* *Most of the people who have acquired this infection were bird handlers who
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Some feedback about my visit to Daniel Dingel http://2oo5.free.fr/dd/ Personnally, from what I was able to see, I'm sad to say that the car of Daniel DINGEL doesn't run on water. there is a big difference in the process of heating a liquid via ultrasonic energy input (NOTE ENERGY INPUT) and claiming to extract energy from nowhere. D. Mindock wrote: Dingel says he wants the money from his inventions to go directly to the people of the Phillipines. If he were a charlatan he would want the money for himself and then disappear with it. IMO, I think he's got something and I hope he finds a foundation, investor, etc., he trusts enough to get his technology tweaked mass produced. But the chances are slim at best. It is the same with other inventors like him. One exception, (there may be others?) from Rome, Georgia, stopped using the phrase over unity and was able to get his product which uses cavitation to heat up water, to market. He's now got a successful business going. But if he were using this to power cars, which he doesn't, I doubt if he would be in business. See: http://www.hydrodynamics.com/ Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water miki de mla wrote: I guess we just have to see the gadget to believe his claims... Be skeptical. Eyes can be deceived. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crude Glycerin and Hot Compost
Tom Irwin wrote: "Temperatures above 65 C. are generally considerred to be limiting in that they tend to kill off large groups of microorganisms and slow down the composting process. I suggest turning the pile when temperatures get that high or you will pasturize the pile and need to regrow your biomass once the pile cools down." Thanks Tom. Before I turn this one I'll have to make room for it by sifting the one that's ready for the garden. Then turn the one that's one turn ahead of the new, hot one. My compost piles move from right to left as they progress. I really have a lot of work to do. Tom - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude Glycerin and Hot Compost Hello Thomas and all, Temperatures above 65 C. are generally considerred to be limiting in that they tend to kill off large groups of microorganisms and slow down the composting process. I suggest turning the pile when temperatures get that high or you will pasturize the pile and need to regrow your biomass once the pile cools down. Large compost piles (usually in a curing/storage stage) have been known to catch on fire if permitted to dry out too much because they had not finished degrading bug edible material. Tom Irwin Snip 48 hours later the temp of the pile was 160F (71C)!!!. This wasn't the center of the pile, but rather 12 inches in. Itook readings at 4 places. Are there any negatives to achieving such high temps(160F or more)? Snip ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Another issue concerning the Car Powered by Water: Even if the invention works as he claims it does, i don't think water is the answer for a fuel source for cars. Yeah, it has basically no pollution and all, but what would happen to the water supply when everbody and their mom wants to "fill up"? I think most of us know what a valuable resource water is, and the pressing concerns for its availability in the coming years. Irrigation for crops and feed crops already consumes approx 85%-90% of the industrial water usage of the water supply (40% of that comes from groundwater tables) -and a lot of that is lost to evaporation/transpiration. Just a thought... -Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crude Glycerin and Hot Compost
Hello Thomas and all, Temperatures above 65 C. are generally considerred to be limiting in that they tend to kill off large groups of microorganisms and slow down the composting process. I suggest turning the pile when temperatures get that high or you will pasturize the pile and need to regrow your biomass once the pile cools down. Large compost piles (usually in a curing/storage stage) have been known to catch on fire if permitted to dry out too much because they had not finished degrading bug edible material. Our compost quite often goes up to the 70s or the mid-70s C (160-170 deg F), usually by the next day. That causes me no concern at all. More often it's around the mid-60s though. It's not like making biodiesel, hotter than 65 C and you lose the methanol and it fails. What happens inside a compost pile is very complex, it's not that simple as that you kill off all the good guys when it gets too hot. I don't think it ever gets too hot. You certainly don't need to regrow anything afterwards. If you turn it, it happens all by itself and gets hot again, until it cools down again. You might not need to turn it, it depends how you make it and what it's made of. If you made it properly it won't run out of water at high temperatures and catch fire. When that happens (it's easy with chicken manure) it just loses steam and cools down again. More water and it heats up again. Once it's finally cooled down and everything has been through the process, it's ready to use. If you want to make sure, put some in a small pot and sow some cress seeds in it. If they germinate it's fully cooked with no VOAs or VFAs and you can use it straight away. I've never seen a compost pile that caught fire. I could be wrong but I think you'd have a hard time finding a gardener whose compost caught fire. Industrial composters use stuff like constant mechanical turning and air injection, or hot air injection, to speed up the process. If that's not properly done it might catch fire, but usually it's properly done. Or at least properly done as far as rapid processing of unstable organic wastes is concerned, but it's primarily waste disposal, as a soil fertiliser it's not much use. They can finish it in a day or less, but some of the important micro-organisms take at least seven days to develop their colonies. Maybe this is where the myth of compost getting too hot and killing off the good guys arose. I suppose they use compost like this in parks and so on, but if you happen to score a load of it for nothing the only use I can think of for it, presuming that it's free of heavy metals and the herbicides that won't break down and so on, is to use it as a bulk application to kickstart run-down soil, which you then innoculate in situ with much less real compost, as well as compost tea, preferably made with QR and liquid seaweed added. Anyway industrial composting is not what happens in a garden or on a farm. I'm also reminded of people who promote mesophylic composting over thermophylic composting, they also say the good guys get killed when it gets too hot, but then they usually seem to be selling something, and the excellent results of thermophylic composting are too well established to be brushed aside. I've also seen some of these people making claims they were unable to prove, such as that it breaks down things it doesn't break down (ie the herbicides I mentioned above). Mesophylic compost works, and a lot of people find it easier, but it's not better. Hotter is better. That's a big pile Tom's got, I'm sure it'll be fine. Interesting that the glycerine made it hotter than usual, it's a good sign, not a bad one. I've used unseparated by-product in compost and that works okay, but I haven't used separated glycerine. What are the economics of it for you Tom? How much did the phosphoric cost you, and how much of it did you buy? Tom says: Keith might take issue with the geometry of my compost piles. Not if it's usually 65 and now it's 71 and not if you've done what you've done to your garden with it, I won't take issue with it at all. Just as long as it works well and you like it. I would like to know if the addition of glycerine enhances the rate of decomposition in a compost pile. It must be enhancing the amount of decomposition or it wouldn't be so hot. The activity of the various micro-organisms which synthesize humus can most easily be followed from the temperature records. A very high temperature, about 65 deg C. (149 deg F.), is established at the outset, which continues with a moderate downward gradient to 30 deg C. (86 deg F.) at the end of ninety days. This range fits in well with the optimum temperature conditions required for the micro-organisms which break down cellulose. The aerobic thermophylic bacteria thrive best between 40 deg C. (104 F.) and 55 deg C. (131 deg F.). Before each turn, a definite slowing down in the fermentation takes
Re: [Biofuel] The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax
D. Mindock wrote: You know, I'm just flat amazed to find Mr Mindock, whom I regarded as about as liberal as they come, in complete agreement with Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the conservative radio gang on anything. And here it is, in black and white. FWIW, which isn't much, I don't think bugs care at all about conspiracies, politics, or big drug companies. I think bugs mutate. Whether bird flu eventually mutates into something that can be passed from person to person because of agribusiness, free range birds, or pigs being fed infected chickens doesn't really matter once it starts to spread. Then what will you propose, that we sit back and figure out how to prevent it? The days of risk assessment and waiting for sound science are numbered, the Precautionary Principle is both the future and now, and this isn't it. Neither is the way bird flu is being handled, and that isn't all there is to it, nor is saying that bugs mutate. A bug contemplating a bit of mutation isn't faced with an infinity of possibilities. I'm not flat amazed any more to see Americans explaining things away in terms of political polarisations and somehow mislaying the problem in the doing. One thing you're mislaying David is quite a lot of serious stuff that's been posted here about the why's and wherefore's of the bird flu epidemic. Like this report, for instance: GRAIN, 2006, The top-down global response to bird flu, Against the grain, April 2006, http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=12 The report maintains that the solution being proposed - a complete shift to factory farming - merely brings us back to the source of the current bird flu crisis. GRAIN, 2006, Fowl play: The poultry industry's central role in the bird flu crisis. February 2006, http://www.grain.org/briefings/?id=194 Do you think it's because they've been listening to Rush Limbaugh and the conservative radio gang or to the liberal radio gang, if there is such a thing? Decide which is which, then you can stick a label on it and pretend it's not there. Best Keith --- David This seems to be inline with the idea of a police state. Collect all the info on citizens possible to be stored in a huge database. The cuckoo bird flu scare (a hoax) is to get us to accept that anyone can be detained for silly reasons along with the database of your airline flights. When they say the data is to be maintained for at least two months, you can believe it will be much longer than that. Just like your online traffic through your ISP, all of it, is to be maintained for at least a year thanks to a proposal by US Congresswoman DeGette (D-CO). Yes, she calls herself a Democrat. We need to write our Congress reps that this BS won't fly with us. It is wrong that the NSA and the Pentagon are spying on us. BushCo is a fear based, secretive, devisive, newspeak government that is totally controlled by corporate powers. I think this is the definition of a fascist regime. No wonder the world is becoming terrified of our goverment. Bush and Dead-Eye Dick appear to be out-of-control. Work for Peace, D. Mindock The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax Bird FluA plan to quarantine sick airline and ship passengers in order to combat a potential bird flu outbreak has outraged health experts, airlines, and civil libertarians. *Three-Day Quarantine* Sick passengers would be identified by flight attendants, pilots and cruise ship crews. Passengers identified as sick could be detained in quarantine for as long as three days. *Detailed Information* The proposed rules would also require airlines to collect detailed contact information from their passengers, including the names of any traveling companions and precise information regarding travel plans. The information would be stored for at least two months, and would be provided to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) at any time the government asked for it. USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-04-24-flu-quarantine_x.htm April 25, 2006 Dr. Mercola's Comment: If this news concerns you, believe me, you're not alone. Many health experts, as well as airline personnel and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), feel the same way about the various provisions of this plan. The ACLU argues that the plan basically gives the government a free pass to detain whomever it wants to. The airline industry is balking at the $100-million-plus cost of creating and maintaining the huge passenger information database required. Georgina Graham, head of global security for the International Air Transport Association, also pointed out that it's ludicrous to give the job of identifying sick people to flight crews who have no medical training. It's starting to look like there's a hidden agenda behind the manufactured avian flu scare
[Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero
http://www.alternet.org/story/36067/ Stephen Colbert: New American Hero By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted May 9, 2006. When Colbert turned up the heat on Washington's elite, he revealed the big split between those basking in power and those fighting for change. Virtually overnight, Stephen Colbert became a hero to countless Americans, following his April 30 performance at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner. Since then, millions of people have either watched the video or read the transcript of his skewering of both the president and the press corps, and have discussed it avidly. Tens of thousands of people have gone to the website ThankYouStephenColbert.com and written letters of appreciation. Talk about water-cooler chatter; the event crashed internet servers across the land. It truly was one of those moments of media shock and delight. And then, an odd but revealing thing happened. Some of the chattering class commentators, mainstream media writers and columnists, and Democratic officials didn't get it: Not very funny, rude, not respectful of the president, and so on. Are they kidding? How could they not understand they were witnessing one of the bravest, most subversive performances in memory, which thrilled and gave hope to untold viewers and readers, and will be a huge marker when people look back on the Bush era? Colbert's speech had a huge impact for two reasons: First, he spoke truth to power right to the face of the president, in front of the entire news media. No one could miss, sidestep or deny it. It wasn't a scene from a movie, book or talk show -- it was live. It reminded me of Edward R. Murrow's famous address to the Radio and Television News Directors Association (recently depicted in the film Good Night and Good Luck). It gave me goose bumps. Colbert's performance shamed every Democrat or columnist who has been too afraid, too timid, or just too worried about losing his or her own power and access to go out on a limb and tell the truth that this administration is a disaster beyond our wildest nightmares. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove have gotten away with murder and worse. And many of the people in that room that night who squirmed in their seats -- it was in part because of the internal indictment they were feeling for not doing what they should have done, countless times, long before. Maybe now they will do the right thing, but I won't be holding my breath. The second reason Colbert made such a huge splash is the rapid advance of video on the web. Almost overnight, the media world has irrevocably changed as video is increasingly becoming as important as print and still images on the web. When, in a matter of hours, dozens of websites can post or link to a video and get the word out about a spectacular event, the role of the gatekeepers and the corporate media shrinks big-time. And it doesn't matter if the networks or CNN or Fox decides that they don't want you to see it -- they can't stop it. The people's network is now in working order. Progressives now have a television capacity; still rudimentary, perhaps, but powerfully effective. The press leaks The press coverage of the Colbert performance was illuminating, as reported by the popular blog, democratic underground: Expect nothing less from the cowardly American media. This demonstrates powerfully the ability of the media to choose the news, and to decide when and how to shield Bush from negative publicity. Sins of omission can be just as bad as sins of commission. The AP's first stab at it, as well as Reuters and the Chicago Tribune, tell us everything we need to know: In these reports, Colbert's performance is sidestepped and marginalized, while President Bush is depicted as lighthearted, humble and witty. Salon's Joan Walsh points out, Colbert's deadly performance did more than reveal, with devastating clarity, how Bush's well-oiled myth machine works. It exposed the mainstream press' pathetic collusion with an administration that has treated it -- and the truth -- with contempt from the moment it took office. Intimidated, coddled, fearful of violating propriety, the press corps that for years dutifully repeated Bush talking points was stunned and horrified when someone dared to reveal that the media emperor had no clothes. Colbert refused to play his dutiful, toothless part in the White House correspondents' dinner -- an incestuous, backslapping ritual that should be retired. For that, he had to be marginalized. Voilà: 'He wasn't funny.' On the Democratic political front, as John Aravosis wrote on AmericaBlog, House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., actually stepped up to defend President Bush, saying, according to The Hill: I thought some of it was funny, but I think it got a little rough He is the president of the United States, and he deserves some respect. I'm certainly not a defender of the administration, Hoyer reassured stunned
[Biofuel] War On The Web
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/05/11/war_on_the_web.php War On The Web Robert B. Reich May 11, 2006 Robert Reich is professor of public policy at the Richard and Rhoda Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California, Berkeley. He was secretary of labor in the Clinton administration. This week, the House is expected to vote on something termed, in perfect Orwellian prose, the Communications Opportunity, Promotion and Enhancement Act of 2006. It will be the first real battle in the coming War of Internet Democracy. On one side are the companies that pipe the Internet into our homes and businesses. These include telecom giants like ATT and Verizon and cable companies like Comcast. Call them the pipe companies. On the other side are the people and businesses that send Internet content through the pipes. Some are big outfits like Yahoo, Google and Amazon, big financial institutions like Bank of America and Citigroup and giant media companies soon to pump lots of movies and TV shows on to the Internet. But most content providers are little guys. They're mom-and-pop operations specializing in, say, antique egg-beaters or Brooklyn Dodgers memorabilia. They're anarchists, kooks and zealots peddling all sorts of crank ideas They're personal publishers and small-time investigators. They include my son's comedy troupe-streaming new videos on the Internet every week. They also include gazillions of bloggers-including my humble little blog and maybe even yours. Until now, a basic principle of the Internet has been that the pipe companies can't discriminate among content providers. Everyone who puts stuff up on the Internet is treated exactly the same. The net is neutral. But now the pipe companies want to charge the content providers, depending on how fast and reliably the pipes deliver the content. Presumably, the biggest content providers would pay the most money, leaving the little content people in the slowest and least-reliable parts of the pipe. (It will take you five minutes to download my blog.) The pipe companies claim unless they start charge for speed and reliability, they won't have enough money to invest in the next generation of networks. This is an absurd argument. The pipes are already making lots of money off consumers who pay them for being connected to the Internet. The pipes figure they can make even more money discriminating between big and small content providers because the big guys have deep pockets and will pay a lot to travel first class. The small guys who pay little or nothing will just have to settle for what's left. The House bill to be voted on this week would in effect give the pipes the green light to go ahead with their plan. Price discrimination is as old as capitalism. Instead of charging everyone the same for the same product or service, sellers divide things up according to grade or quality. Buyers willing to pay the most can get the best, while other buyers get lesser quality, according to how much they pay. Theoretically, this is efficient. Sellers who also have something of a monopoly (as do the Internet pipe companies) can make a killing. But even if it's efficient, it's not democratic. And here's the rub. The Internet has been the place where Davids can take on Goliaths, where someone without resources but with brains and guts and information can skewer the high and mighty. At a time in our nation's history when wealth and power are becoming more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, it's been the one forum in which all voices are equal. Will the pipe companies be able to end Internet democracy? Perhaps if enough of the small guys make enough of a fuss, Congress may listen. But don't bet on it. This Congress is not in the habit of listening to small guys. The best hope is that big content providers will use their formidable lobbying clout to demand net neutrality. The financial services sector, for example, is already spending billions on information technology, including online banking. Why would they want to spend billions more paying the pipe companies for the Internet access they already have? The pipe companies are busily trying to persuade big content providers that it's in their interest to pay for faster and more reliable Internet deliveries. Verizon's chief Washington lobbyist recently warned the financial services industry that if it supports net neutrality, it won't get the sophisticated data links it will need in the future. The pipes are also quietly reassuring the big content providers that they can pass along the fees to their customers. Will the big content providers fall for it? Stay tuned for the next episode of Internet democracy versus monopoly capitalism. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at
[Biofuel] Where's the Bird Flu Pandemic?
The Institute of Science in Society Science Society Sustainability http://www.i-sis.org.uk This article can be found on the I-SIS website at http://www.i-sis.org.uk/WTBFP.php ISIS Press Release 11/05/06 Where's the Bird Flu Pandemic? The hype over bird flu pandemic has greatly profited the drug industry with little sign of an effective vaccine or cure Dr. Mae-Wan Ho Sources for this report are available in the ISIS members site. Bird flu pandemic could kill up to 150 million and lose US$800 billion Top UN public health expert Dr. David Nabarro of World Health Organisation (WHO) warned in September 2005 that a mutated bird flu virus pandemic could kill up to 150 million people [1]. He was just taking up his appointment as the new UN coordinator to lead a global drive to counter a human flu pandemic. Nabarro said that with the almost certainty of another influenza pandemic soon, and with experts saying there is a high likelihood of the H5N1 virus mutating, it would be extremely wrong to ignore the serious possibility of a global outbreak. The 1918 influenza pandemic killed more than 40 million; the range of deaths in the next pandemic could be anything between 5 and 150 million, Nabarro said. The World Bank issued its own dire warning that economic losses due to pandemic bird flu could top US $800 billion [2]. In a letter to the nation, president George W. Bush announced his National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness and Response [3], which is determined to detect outbreaks that occur anywhere in the world, to protect the American People by stockpiling vaccines and antiviral drugs, and improve the US' ability to rapidly produce new vaccines against a pandemic strain, and to be ready to respond at the federal, state and local levels in the event that a pandemic reaches the USA. Because a pandemic could strike at any time, President Bush requested $7.1 billion in emergency funding , which includes $251 million to detect and contain outbreaks before they spread around the world; $2.8 billion to accelerate development of cell-culture technology; $800 million for development of new treatments and vaccines; $1.519 billion for the Departments of Health and Human Services and Defense to purchase influenza vaccines; $1.029 billion to stockpile antiviral medications; and $644 million to ensure that all levels of government are prepared to respond to a pandemic outbreak. In January 2006, the United States announced in Beijing China that it would provide $334 million to support the global campaign against the avian flu virus [4]. This funding is part of a broader commitment of the United States that totals £3.98 billion recently appropriated by Congress. There is no pandemic flu in Louisiana But by 15 April 2006, Dr. Julie Gerberding, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told a conference of 1 200 of mostly health department officials from across the state of Georgia gathered in Tacoma that [5] there is no evidence bird flu will be the next pandemic and there is no evidence it is evolving in a direction that is becoming more transmissible to people. This was in sharp contrast to the November letter from President Bush, which encouraged the public to prepare the nation and the world to fight this potentially devastating outbreak of infectious disease. The president's letter created so much anxiety that the audience at the Tacoma conference wanted to know about buying surgical masks and stockpiling food at question time. Gerberding and other federal officials said H5N1 bird flu is likely to reach the United States; but when that happens, it does not signal the start of a pandemic or a threat to the food supply, said Richard Raymond, an undersecretary at the US Department of Agriculture. Less than a week later, a press release for the 'Louisiana State Summit' carried the headline: There Is No Pandemic Flu in Louisiana [6]. Flu season is coming to an end, and there have not been any widespread outbreaks of the flu in Louisiana. Nor have there been any confirmed cases of avian flu in human in the United States. Finally, although there has been much attention, there has not been a flu epidemic, much less a flu pandemic. The flu pandemic is yet to happen. The number of human cases of bird flu has been rather modest so far 204 with 113 deaths over three years (see Box 1) - in comparison with the most recent pandemic SARS, which made 8439 ill and killed 812 in just four months in 2003 [7]. Part of the reason is that while SARS was transmitted from person-to-person, bird flu is still transmitted from infected poultry to people. But we are told that this could change at any time. The H5N1 virus could gain the ability for human transmission by mutation or by picking up the right genes (see Fowl play in bird flu, this series). Box 1 Global status of bird flu [8, 9] Domestic poultry There have been 4253 outbreaks
Re: [Biofuel] The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax
Keith Addison wrote: D. Mindock wrote: You know, I'm just flat amazed to find Mr Mindock, whom I regarded as about as liberal as they come, in complete agreement with Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the conservative radio gang on anything. And here it is, in black and white. FWIW, which isn't much, I don't think bugs care at all about conspiracies, politics, or big drug companies. I think bugs mutate. Whether bird flu eventually mutates into something that can be passed from person to person because of agribusiness, free range birds, or pigs being fed infected chickens doesn't really matter once it starts to spread. Then what will you propose, that we sit back and figure out how to prevent it? I haven't proposed anything, and I don't really intend to. The days of risk assessment and waiting for sound science are numbered, the Precautionary Principle is both the future and now, and this isn't it. Neither is the way bird flu is being handled, and that isn't all there is to it, nor is saying that bugs mutate. A bug contemplating a bit of mutation isn't faced with an infinity of possibilities. I'm not flat amazed any more to see Americans explaining things away in terms of political polarisations and somehow mislaying the problem in the doing. One thing you're mislaying David is quite a lot of serious stuff that's been posted here about the why's and wherefore's of the bird flu epidemic. Like this report, for instance: I've mislayed nothing. I specifically said I was not addressing where it came from or how it might mutate. GRAIN, 2006, The top-down global response to bird flu, Against the grain, April 2006, http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=12 The report maintains that the solution being proposed - a complete shift to factory farming - merely brings us back to the source of the current bird flu crisis. GRAIN, 2006, Fowl play: The poultry industry's central role in the bird flu crisis. February 2006, http://www.grain.org/briefings/?id=194 Do you think it's because they've been listening to Rush Limbaugh and the conservative radio gang or to the liberal radio gang, if there is such a thing? Decide which is which, then you can stick a label on it and pretend it's not there. I didn't accuse D Mindock of spending time listening to talk radio, I only expressed my surprise that he would be in agreement with them about anything. I thought it amusing that one of our list members has recently brought all kinds of conspiracies to our attention. Among them I count the proposal that the US government was responsible for the 9/11 attacks and deliberately blew up three buildings, and the car that runs on water in violation of the laws of physics. Now he's telling us that the whole bird flu thing is a hoax, citing an article with text like: The entire bird flu scare is one of the most blatant hoaxes of recent times, and the popular media continues to reinforce the baseless story. You've been hearing about it for months and months now, and what's come of it? Next to nothing. Obviously if nothing has happened in months and months nothing is ever going to happen. Of course, if we apply the same kind of logic to global warning we're left concluding that there's no need to reduce CO2 emissions because next to nothing has come of it over the last few months. I think passages like this tell us about people whose brain processes have just about stopped, or who are deliberately trying to mislead us: Most of the people who have acquired this infection were bird handlers who were in continuous contact with these sick birds. Does anyone in their right mind envision similar circumstances in the **United States**?* I occasionally listen to talk radio while driving around to see what creative support they have for the neocons in power. I'd consider it funny except that a disturbing number of Americans seem to believe it wholesale. I distinctly recall Limbaugh saying something very like what I just quoted. Everybody I know who is worried about the bird flu is not worried about the current strain of H5N1, they're worried about what happens when it mutates into a human transmissable virus. The passage I quoted above attempts to make people who disagree look stupid because Americans do not handle dead, infected, chickens the way those currently contracting H5N1 do. What it attempts to do is disingenuously redirect the argument away from the real threat. For the record, I AM concerned about the effect this virus will have on the human race once it mutates into a human transmissable virus. I don't believe there are any easy answers for it, but that a lot of preparations should be made for it - or for any other pandemic that might strike. These preparations need to be on a personal, local, and national level. --- David Keith --- David This seems to be inline with the idea of a police state.
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
I tried to make the stuff from cotton without the Nitrogen. I did the pyrolysis and the sulfonation for half the time. I guess I was too impatient. I tested it with WVO with 12% FFA. After treatment, the FFA content went down to only 5%. To make sure that it wasn't the leftover acid that was doing the job, I'm doing another run, using the same sample I made. Then I will try to transesterify both runs. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:48 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Hi Chris The way I see it, this new catalyst isn't environment friendly at all. So much energy is needed to pyrolyse sugar at 400 degrees centigrade for 15 hours. On top of that, you need to heat it at 150 degrees with 200mL of concentrated sulfuric acid for another 15 hours. Then you need to wash it to remove the acid. So then where will the acid wash water go? Down the drain? Not to mention the fumes produced during the whole process. Yes. Hot concentrated sulphuric acid lacks appeal. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] rechargeable aluminum batteries..bacteria powered fuel cell
Rechargeable aluminium batteries providing up to 20 times more capacity than current batteries. http://www.europositron.com/en/index.html Bacteria powered fuel cell http://www.technologynewsdaily.com/node/2808 Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
my father is a forester, and is very much involved with resource management (hes the coordinator) at a forest preserve where i grew up, every three years a logging company is called in to thin out a small section of the park, and these sections are rotated every cycle. my father collects the tops from the trees that are removed and cuts them for firewood, which is all oak, walnut, maple, cherry, and elm. would this group of woods be a suitable supply of ash for KOH? i know the article calls for hardwood, but there are some non-pine varieties that dont qualify. anyway, im rambling. this supply would be a good way to heat an alcohol distillery or even just basic home heating, but there need not be any real waste of energy in the pursuit of wood ash, and anyone with a rain barrel can make their own KOH. there are a thousand ways around any obstacle but the most fitting is the least obvious. Jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax
Keith, I'm not flat amazed any more to see Americans explaining things away in terms of political polarisations and somehow mislaying the problem in the doing. One thing you're mislaying David is quite a lot of serious stuff that's been posted here about the why's and wherefore's of the bird flu epidemic. I think the lack of reaction or the poor reaction lies in our (the USA) lack of education (all of those kids left behind!) and our isolationist views. Firstly, the SARS ordeal made people think that either 1) quarantine works just fine or 2) things like pandemics are not really that bad. Both of which are of course not true. I hear things like, Its China's problem, not ours. And then there's this notion that we are the US, we can handle anything. Most people in the US don't realize that regular influenza kills around 36,000 people a year (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm). Plus, even if H5N1 was the same severity as regular flu we would not have the facilities to handle the sheer volume; no one would. I'm quite sure the government doesn't want to admit that and so the situation mishandled from the top down. I was just at a multi-agency volunteer training for my county. The department of homeland security health advocate got up and told us quite plainly, if there is a public health crisis don't worry. You and your families will be taken care of first. You know, most of the people were actually calmed by that vague and generic assurance. So, the misinformation is coming from on high probably to hide the truth about our inability to handle any sort of health crisis. And, since most of our citizens don't even know what a pandemic is or that quarantining airplanes will not stop a true pandemic, the news is littered with false truths and flat out lies (or are those the same thing?) which comprises the breeding grounds of the pundits and politicians ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax
if the US is so isolationist, why do we keep getting our nose broken for sticking it in other people's business? and then there is the fact that in no way can we stop or contain something we cannot even adequately define, because there is a good chance it was designed to be undefinable, i mean, think about it- there was a logbook style title for the bird flu almost before it was discovered (H5N1). tell me that wasnt a little bit fast? while it may or may not be part of some huge nasty corporate black book conspiracy that you can never believe until it has been officially denied, it just doesnt look good for the large factory farms. the problem is, they will blame the little guys for raising tainted birds until they are regulated out of existence, and then the fact that factory farming is the biggest cause of the bird flu will just all of a sudden pop up in the mainstream, and the poultry industry will roll over and die, taking a big chunk of the present food supply with it. hoax or no, its still gonna get ugly. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax Keith, I'm not flat amazed any more to see Americans explaining things away in terms of political polarisations and somehow mislaying the problem in the doing. One thing you're mislaying David is quite a lot of serious stuff that's been posted here about the why's and wherefore's of the bird flu epidemic. I think the lack of reaction or the poor reaction lies in our (the USA) lack of education (all of those kids left behind!) and our isolationist views. Firstly, the SARS ordeal made people think that either 1) quarantine works just fine or 2) things like pandemics are not really that bad. Both of which are of course not true. I hear things like, Its China's problem, not ours. And then there's this notion that we are the US, we can handle anything. Most people in the US don't realize that regular influenza kills around 36,000 people a year (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm). Plus, even if H5N1 was the same severity as regular flu we would not have the facilities to handle the sheer volume; no one would. I'm quite sure the government doesn't want to admit that and so the situation mishandled from the top down. I was just at a multi-agency volunteer training for my county. The department of homeland security health advocate got up and told us quite plainly, if there is a public health crisis don't worry. You and your families will be taken care of first. You know, most of the people were actually calmed by that vague and generic assurance. So, the misinformation is coming from on high probably to hide the truth about our inability to handle any sort of health crisis. And, since most of our citizens don't even know what a pandemic is or that quarantining airplanes will not stop a true pandemic, the news is littered with false truths and flat out lies (or are those the same thing?) which comprises the breeding grounds of the pundits and politicians ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero
Anyone who finds a link to video and/or audio of the original please post it for us. Colberrr is well on his way to becoming this 21st century's H.L. Menken, who was the 20th century's S.L. Clemens. All masters of irony, thus the phrase rapier wit. Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:49 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:[Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero http://www.alternet.org/story/36067/ Stephen Colbert: New American Hero By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted May 9, 2006. When Colbert turned up the heat on Washington's elite, he revealed the big split between those basking in power and those fighting for change. Virtually overnight, Stephen Colbert became a hero to countless Americans, following his April 30 performance at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner. Since then, millions of people have either watched the video or read the transcript of his skewering of both the president and the press corps, and have discussed it avidly. Tens of thousands of people have gone to the website ThankYouStephenColbert.com and written letters of appreciation. Talk about water-cooler chatter; the event crashed internet servers across the land. It truly was one of those moments of media shock and delight. And then, an odd but revealing thing happened. Some of the chattering class commentators, mainstream media writers and columnists, and Democratic officials didn't get it: Not very funny, rude, not respectful of the president, and so on. Are they kidding? How could they not understand they were witnessing one of the bravest, most subversive performances in memory, which thrilled and gave hope to untold viewers and readers, and will be a huge marker when people look back on the Bush era? Colbert's speech had a huge impact for two reasons: First, he spoke truth to power right to the face of the president, in front of the entire news media. No one could miss, sidestep or deny it. It wasn't a scene from a movie, book or talk show -- it was live. It reminded me of Edward R. Murrow's famous address to the Radio and Television News Directors Association (recently depicted in the film Good Night and Good Luck). It gave me goose bumps. Colbert's performance shamed every Democrat or columnist who has been too afraid, too timid, or just too worried about losing his or her own power and access to go out on a limb and tell the truth that this administration is a disaster beyond our wildest nightmares. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove have gotten away with murder and worse. And many of the people in that room that night who squirmed in their seats -- it was in part because of the internal indictment they were feeling for not doing what they should have done, countless times, long before. Maybe now they will do the right thing, but I won't be holding my breath. The second reason Colbert made such a huge splash is the rapid advance of video on the web. Almost overnight, the media world has irrevocably changed as video is increasingly becoming as important as print and still images on the web. When, in a matter of hours, dozens of websites can post or link to a video and get the word out about a spectacular event, the role of the gatekeepers and the corporate media shrinks big-time. And it doesn't matter if the networks or CNN or Fox decides that they don't want you to see it -- they can't stop it. The people's network is now in working order. Progressives now have a television capacity; still rudimentary, perhaps, but powerfully effective. The press leaks The press coverage of the Colbert performance was illuminating, as reported by the popular blog, democratic underground: Expect nothing less from the cowardly American media. This demonstrates powerfully the ability of the media to choose the news, and to decide when and how to shield Bush from negative publicity. Sins of omission can be just as bad as sins of commission. The AP's first stab at it, as well as Reuters and the Chicago Tribune, tell us everything we need to know: In these reports, Colbert's performance is sidestepped and marginalized, while President Bush is depicted as lighthearted, humble and witty. Salon's Joan Walsh points out, Colbert's deadly performance did more than reveal, with devastating clarity, how Bush's well-oiled myth machine works. It exposed the mainstream press' pathetic collusion with an administration that has treated it -- and the truth -- with contempt from the moment it took office. Intimidated, coddled, fearful of violating propriety, the press corps that for years dutifully repeated Bush talking points was stunned and horrified when someone dared to reveal that the media emperor had no clothes. Colbert refused to play his dutiful, toothless part in the White House correspondents' dinner -- an incestuous, backslapping ritual that should be retired. For that, he had to be marginalized.
Re: [Biofuel] rechargeable aluminum batteries..bacteria powered fuelcell
Do you really believe that a company which has the word positron in its name and does not own and operate a particle-accelerator is for real? This is even better than the water fueled vehicle that works in the Philippines because the legislature there repealed the fundamental laws of thermodynamics. GASOH, Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetwork Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:29 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:[Biofuel] rechargeable aluminum batteries..bacteria powered fuelcell Rechargeable aluminium batteries providing up to 20 times more capacity than current batteries. http://www.europositron.com/en/index.html Bacteria powered fuel cell http://www.technologynewsdaily.com/node/2808 Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero
Anyone who finds a link to video and/or audio of the original please post it for us. Colberrr is well on his way to becoming this 21st century's H.L. Menken, who was the 20th century's S.L. Clemens. All masters of irony, thus the phrase rapier wit. Michael D. Mindock posted it: I watched the two parts of the video at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all; address=364x1062761Democratic Underground. Dubya is seriously roasted. Peace, D. Mindock This is utterly amazing. Stephen Colbert is one brave truth-telling guy! I LOVE IT!!! Hooray for Helen Thomas, as well. I hope you enjoy, too. Thanks, Ellen! Now I've got to go watch the video...laughing all the way, jeannie p.s. I REALLY REALLY recommend watching the video at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all; address=364x1062761Democratic Underground. Please note there are two links, one for each of two parts.jb Re-Improved Colbert transcript (now with complete text of Colbert-Thomas video!) Best Keith snip -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:49 PM To:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero http://www.alternet.org/story/36067/ Stephen Colbert: New American Hero By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted May 9, 2006. When Colbert turned up the heat on Washington's elite, he revealed the big split between those basking in power and those fighting for change. Virtually overnight, Stephen Colbert became a hero to countless Americans, following his April 30 performance at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner. Since then, millions of people have either watched the video or read the transcript of his skewering of both the president and the press corps, and have discussed it avidly. Tens of thousands of people have gone to the website ThankYouStephenColbert.com and written letters of appreciation. Talk about water-cooler chatter; the event crashed internet servers across the land. It truly was one of those moments of media shock and delight. And then, an odd but revealing thing happened. Some of the chattering class commentators, mainstream media writers and columnists, and Democratic officials didn't get it: Not very funny, rude, not respectful of the president, and so on. Are they kidding? How could they not understand they were witnessing one of the bravest, most subversive performances in memory, which thrilled and gave hope to untold viewers and readers, and will be a huge marker when people look back on the Bush era? Colbert's speech had a huge impact for two reasons: First, he spoke truth to power right to the face of the president, in front of the entire news media. No one could miss, sidestep or deny it. It wasn't a scene from a movie, book or talk show -- it was live. It reminded me of Edward R. Murrow's famous address to the Radio and Television News Directors Association (recently depicted in the film Good Night and Good Luck). It gave me goose bumps. Colbert's performance shamed every Democrat or columnist who has been too afraid, too timid, or just too worried about losing his or her own power and access to go out on a limb and tell the truth that this administration is a disaster beyond our wildest nightmares. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove have gotten away with murder and worse. And many of the people in that room that night who squirmed in their seats -- it was in part because of the internal indictment they were feeling for not doing what they should have done, countless times, long before. Maybe now they will do the right thing, but I won't be holding my breath. The second reason Colbert made such a huge splash is the rapid advance of video on the web. Almost overnight, the media world has irrevocably changed as video is increasingly becoming as important as print and still images on the web. When, in a matter of hours, dozens of websites can post or link to a video and get the word out about a spectacular event, the role of the gatekeepers and the corporate media shrinks big-time. And it doesn't matter if the networks or CNN or Fox decides that they don't want you to see it -- they can't stop it. The people's network is now in working order. Progressives now have a television capacity; still rudimentary, perhaps, but powerfully effective. The press leaks The press coverage of the Colbert performance was illuminating, as reported by the popular blog, democratic underground: Expect nothing less from the cowardly American media. This demonstrates powerfully the ability of the media to choose the news, and to decide when and how to shield Bush from negative publicity. Sins of omission can be just as bad as sins of commission. The AP's first stab at it, as well as Reuters and the Chicago Tribune, tell us everything we need to know: In these reports, Colbert's performance is sidestepped and
[Biofuel] Solar Concentrator PV Modules
Would a standard PV module produce more when used with a Solar Concentrator or does it require a special PV module? Logan Vilas ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero
Yeah, I saw, but I get an access denied message. Looking for an open link. Did you use the full link? I see from your response format below that it got broken in transmission. Try this: http://snipurl.com/pxya The COMPLETE Colbert Clip is Here This is the direct link for the start page: http://snipurl.com/pv75 Video - Stephen Colbert At The White House Correspondents Dinner (Part 1) http://snipurl.com/qck0 (Part 2) Pity about the hot chic on webcam etc, yawn (yuk). I didn't try playing it, it doesn't like my version of Flash, but I'm not too interested in Flash anyway, I'd rather wait for a RealPlayer version, less hassle. (Mac user.) But I didn't get an access denied message. Good luck. Best Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:09 PM To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero Anyone who finds a link to video and/or audio of the original please post it for us. Colberrr is well on his way to becoming this 21st century's H.L. Menken, who was the 20th century's S.L. Clemens. All masters of irony, thus the phrase rapier wit. Michael D. Mindock posted it: I watched the two parts of the video at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all; address=364x1062761Democratic Underground. Dubya is seriously roasted. Peace, D. Mindock This is utterly amazing. Stephen Colbert is one brave truth-telling guy! I LOVE IT!!! Hooray for Helen Thomas, as well. I hope you enjoy, too. Thanks, Ellen! Now I've got to go watch the video...laughing all the way, jeannie p.s. I REALLY REALLY recommend watching the video at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all; address=364x1062761Democratic Underground. Please note there are two links, one for each of two parts.jb Re-Improved Colbert transcript (now with complete text of Colbert-Thomas video!) Best Keith snip -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent:Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:49 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero http://www.alternet.org/story/36067/ Stephen Colbert: New American Hero By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted May 9, 2006. When Colbert turned up the heat on Washington's elite, he revealed the big split between those basking in power and those fighting for change. Virtually overnight, Stephen Colbert became a hero to countless Americans, following his April 30 performance at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner. Since then, millions of people have either watched the video or read the transcript of his skewering of both the president and the press corps, and have discussed it avidly. Tens of thousands of people have gone to the website ThankYouStephenColbert.com and written letters of appreciation. Talk about water-cooler chatter; the event crashed internet servers across the land. It truly was one of those moments of media shock and delight. And then, an odd but revealing thing happened. Some of the chattering class commentators, mainstream media writers and columnists, and Democratic officials didn't get it: Not very funny, rude, not respectful of the president, and so on. Are they kidding? How could they not understand they were witnessing one of the bravest, most subversive performances in memory, which thrilled and gave hope to untold viewers and readers, and will be a huge marker when people look back on the Bush era? Colbert's speech had a huge impact for two reasons: First, he spoke truth to power right to the face of the president, in front of the entire news media. No one could miss, sidestep or deny it. It wasn't a scene from a movie, book or talk show -- it was live. It reminded me of Edward R. Murrow's famous address to the Radio and Television News Directors Association (recently depicted in the film Good Night and Good Luck). It gave me goose bumps. Colbert's performance shamed every Democrat or columnist who has been too afraid, too timid, or just too worried about losing his or her own power and access to go out on a limb and tell the truth that this administration is a disaster beyond our wildest nightmares. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove have gotten away with murder and worse. And many of the people in that room that night who squirmed in their seats -- it was in part because of the internal indictment they were feeling for not doing what they should have done, countless times, long before. Maybe now they will do the right thing, but I won't be holding my breath. The second reason Colbert made such a huge splash is the rapid advance of video on the web. Almost overnight, the media world has irrevocably changed as video is increasingly becoming as important as
Re: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero
Yeah, I saw, but I get an access denied message. Looking for an open link. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:09 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero Anyone who finds a link to video and/or audio of the original please post it for us. Colberrr is well on his way to becoming this 21st century's H.L. Menken, who was the 20th century's S.L. Clemens. All masters of irony, thus the phrase rapier wit. Michael D. Mindock posted it: I watched the two parts of the video at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all; address=364x1062761Democratic Underground. Dubya is seriously roasted. Peace, D. Mindock This is utterly amazing. Stephen Colbert is one brave truth-telling guy! I LOVE IT!!! Hooray for Helen Thomas, as well. I hope you enjoy, too. Thanks, Ellen! Now I've got to go watch the video...laughing all the way, jeannie p.s. I REALLY REALLY recommend watching the video at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all; address=364x1062761Democratic Underground. Please note there are two links, one for each of two parts.jb Re-Improved Colbert transcript (now with complete text of Colbert-Thomas video!) Best Keith snip -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:49 PM To:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero http://www.alternet.org/story/36067/ Stephen Colbert: New American Hero By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted May 9, 2006. When Colbert turned up the heat on Washington's elite, he revealed the big split between those basking in power and those fighting for change. Virtually overnight, Stephen Colbert became a hero to countless Americans, following his April 30 performance at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner. Since then, millions of people have either watched the video or read the transcript of his skewering of both the president and the press corps, and have discussed it avidly. Tens of thousands of people have gone to the website ThankYouStephenColbert.com and written letters of appreciation. Talk about water-cooler chatter; the event crashed internet servers across the land. It truly was one of those moments of media shock and delight. And then, an odd but revealing thing happened. Some of the chattering class commentators, mainstream media writers and columnists, and Democratic officials didn't get it: Not very funny, rude, not respectful of the president, and so on. Are they kidding? How could they not understand they were witnessing one of the bravest, most subversive performances in memory, which thrilled and gave hope to untold viewers and readers, and will be a huge marker when people look back on the Bush era? Colbert's speech had a huge impact for two reasons: First, he spoke truth to power right to the face of the president, in front of the entire news media. No one could miss, sidestep or deny it. It wasn't a scene from a movie, book or talk show -- it was live. It reminded me of Edward R. Murrow's famous address to the Radio and Television News Directors Association (recently depicted in the film Good Night and Good Luck). It gave me goose bumps. Colbert's performance shamed every Democrat or columnist who has been too afraid, too timid, or just too worried about losing his or her own power and access to go out on a limb and tell the truth that this administration is a disaster beyond our wildest nightmares. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove have gotten away with murder and worse. And many of the people in that room that night who squirmed in their seats -- it was in part because of the internal indictment they were feeling for not doing what they should have done, countless times, long before. Maybe now they will do the right thing, but I won't be holding my breath. The second reason Colbert made such a huge splash is the rapid advance of video on the web. Almost overnight, the media world has irrevocably changed as video is increasingly becoming as important as print and still images on the web. When, in a matter of hours, dozens of websites can post or link to a video and get the word out about a spectacular event, the role of the gatekeepers and the corporate media shrinks big-time. And it doesn't matter if the networks or CNN or Fox decides that they don't want you to see it -- they can't stop it. The people's network is now in working order. Progressives now have a television capacity; still rudimentary, perhaps, but powerfully effective. The press leaks The press coverage of the Colbert performance was illuminating, as reported by the popular blog, democratic underground: Expect nothing less from the cowardly American media. This demonstrates powerfully the ability of the media
Re: [Biofuel] The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax
Unfortunately, both the socialists, whoops Democrats, and the fascists, excuse me, I mean Republicans, are all busy breaking their necks to jump on Shrub's band wagon. Ray in Atlanta GA D. Mindock wrote: This seems to be inline with the idea of a police state. Collect all the info on citizens possible to be stored in a huge database. The cuckoo bird flu scare (a hoax) is to get us to accept that anyone can be detained for silly reasons along with the database of your airline flights. When they say the data is to be maintained for at least two months, you can believe it will be much longer than that. Just like your online traffic through your ISP, all of it, is to be maintained for at least a year thanks to a proposal by US Congresswoman DeGette (D-CO). Yes, she calls herself a Democrat. We need to write our Congress reps that this BS won't fly with us. It is wrong that the NSA and the Pentagon are spying on us. BushCo is a fear based, secretive, devisive, newspeak government that is totally controlled by corporate powers. I think this is the definition of a fascist regime. No wonder the world is becoming terrified of our goverment. Bush and Dead-Eye Dick appear to be out-of-control. Work for Peace, D. Mindock The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax Bird FluA plan to quarantine sick airline and ship passengers in order to combat a potential bird flu outbreak has outraged health experts, airlines, and civil libertarians. *Three-Day Quarantine* Sick passengers would be identified by flight attendants, pilots and cruise ship crews. Passengers identified as sick could be detained in quarantine for as long as three days. *Detailed Information* The proposed rules would also require airlines to collect detailed contact information from their passengers, including the names of any traveling companions and precise information regarding travel plans. The information would be stored for at least two months, and would be provided to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) at any time the government asked for it. USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-04-24-flu-quarantine_x.htm April 25, 2006 Dr. Mercola's Comment: If this news concerns you, believe me, you're not alone. Many health experts, as well as airline personnel and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), feel the same way about the various provisions of this plan. The ACLU argues that the plan basically gives the government a free pass to detain whomever it wants to. The airline industry is balking at the $100-million-plus cost of creating and maintaining the huge passenger information database required. Georgina Graham, head of global security for the International Air Transport Association, also pointed out that it's ludicrous to give the job of identifying sick people to flight crews who have no medical training. It's starting to look like there's a hidden agenda behind the manufactured avian flu scare http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/avian_flu_epidemic_is_a_hoax.htm that goes far beyond pushing needless and potentially harmful drugs that don't work anyway http://www.mercola.com/2006/feb/4/flu_drugs_dont_work.htm. I guess if you can't frighten people with a flu epidemic that never happened http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/rumsfeld_to_profit_from_avian_flu_hoax.htm, you can limit the rights of travelers and collect private information anyway for the sake of nothing. *Sad but true.* *The entire bird flu scare is one of the most blatant hoaxes of recent times, and the popular media continues to reinforce the baseless story. You've been hearing about it for months and months now, and what's come of it? Next to nothing. * *And nothing ever will, except possibly you losing more of your hard-earned freedoms.* *We have been warned that anywhere from 200,000 (at best!) to 2 million people at worst will die http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/avian_flu_epidemic_is_a_hoax.htm from the bird flu. The bird flu epidemic hoax reminds me just how uncommon common sense is. Folks, where is the sound basic science here? * *How do they make the giant leap of faith that the very few deaths so far worldwide will translate to 2 million or even 200,000 deaths from a virus that does NOT readily spread from birds to humans, or humans to humans?* *Most of the people who have acquired this infection were bird handlers who were in continuous contact with these sick birds. Does anyone in their right mind envision similar circumstances in the **United States**?* *Research like this would typically be thrown in the trash if it did not strongly support some ulterior purpose.* *What might the purpose of these scare tactics be, you ask?* *Kickbacks to drug companies is one reason. Their drugs don't work
[Biofuel] A question about lye
Im attempting to produce my first test batch of bio-diesel. To keep things simple, Im using fresh oil. I seem to be having a bit of trouble though. My NaOH lye isnt dissolving fully in the methanol, and everything Ive read says not to mix this with the oil until the lye is completely dissolved. Could I have bad lye? I would appreciate any suggestions. --Scott Burton Wellston, OK -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
I'm not an expert in these matters, but I know that Oak and I think Walnut and Maple are hardwoods. I'm not sure about elm and cherry. Sounds to me like it'd be a good source. --Scott Burton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Katie Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:57 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst my father is a forester, and is very much involved with resource management (hes the coordinator) at a forest preserve where i grew up, every three years a logging company is called in to thin out a small section of the park, and these sections are rotated every cycle. my father collects the tops from the trees that are removed and cuts them for firewood, which is all oak, walnut, maple, cherry, and elm. would this group of woods be a suitable supply of ash for KOH? i know the article calls for hardwood, but there are some non-pine varieties that dont qualify. anyway, im rambling. this supply would be a good way to heat an alcohol distillery or even just basic home heating, but there need not be any real waste of energy in the pursuit of wood ash, and anyone with a rain barrel can make their own KOH. there are a thousand ways around any obstacle but the most fitting is the least obvious. Jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
I was at JPL when the lab ran a 2 year project re hydrogen enrichment and Ford and Chevy attended meetings. project was abandoned when Honda brought out the wedge. The old engines wasted fuel and hydrogen enabled leaner mix. So did Honda design and no hydrogen needed.Kirkmagic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is too weird. Just today an associate sent me an wmv file of a Fox news report about HHO gas a company called Hydrogen Technology that is promoting something like this (I can forward the clip off list per request) - but in mean time, found their homepage and another link:http://www.hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htmhttp://tampatrib.com/Business/MGBKD7YQIGE.htmlEnjoy!SD. Mindock wrote: Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on only water almost 30 years ago. He has 100 engines he has converted that will run on just tap or sea water. Needless to say all the car companies have tried to steal his technology so he is going to share it with anybody and everybody in a partnership with profits going to the Philippine people, but not the government. Watch this video at: http://www.mysticfamilycircus.com/Pages/Community/Projects/h2oh29MB.mov 1 liter of water will run the car for an hour. Very efficient electrolysis is used to get the hydrogen from the water while the car's in operation. Peace, D. Mindock ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
