[Biofuel] seeking post
Dear Keith, You once wrote a response in a thread called The Bad News About Biodiesel. THe two responses that I am able to fish up through the two archive sites are not the response that I have a hard copy of. The hard copy begins, Hello Jim See below. I saw an article It was sent on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 Please forgive me if it is a pain to find. However, it was a really inspiring thread that I like to share, however, I deleted the soft copy. all the best,Joey ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel from Fresh-Pressed Oil
Dear Ken (Provost) and all, As per your response in: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35109.html Our cooperative plans on cold-pressing canola oil for utilization in Mike Pelly's model A processor. Do you forsee the gums posing a problem in reaching ASTM-spec quality fuel? Check us out at: www.communicrop.com Thanks, Joey HundertFounder-memberCommunicrop Biodiesel Cooperative ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the smart car
Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Support Engineers Without Borders. See: www.ewb.ca On Jan 11, 2005, at 5:42 PM, Legal Eagle wrote: The new WV TDI are not BD friendly, but hopefully the folks at Swatch/Mercedes were smart-er , :-) I just HAD to do that. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] which diesel additive do u use to increase flow in coldweather
I can't remember which of the Canada or USA researchers it was, but one of the main biodiesel research guys wrote a report a few years ago that found that winter diesel (#1, basically kerosene, +additives that vary depending on where it's being sent to, AFAIK) was as effective as the additives available at that time, at least the ones they tested. That may not be the case now - probably the additives are better and more specialized, but it might be worth trying just that - certainly it's affordable and available if you live in a cold climate region...just go to the pump and add some to the biodiesel, or make up a few samples at different treat rates and put them in the freezer for a few days (labelled!) Back in early days of more basic SVO kits, and even now if you have thick SVO/WVO and no tank heater, 10-20% diesel made a big difference once once it got below -10C (where our Canola WVO tended to start to get very much a thick gravy consistency) ...you might be able to use less, with your B100 ...or look at adding a tank heater, inline heater, filter heater (start with an inline heater, such as our VEG-Therm, ahead of the filter)... then you might not need to add anything. or less of it. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Support Engineers Without Borders. See: www.ewb.ca On Jan 12, 2005, at 10:20 AM, Phillip Wolfe wrote: Thanks Luc, Thanks from me too. This will help for winterizing in the Sierras. I especially like the paragraph: We tested Wintron X30, and yes, it really does work (see photograph below). Biodieselers in the US tested Arctic Express apparently with good results. We have no independent reports on Lubrizol's product, but Lubrizol is a reputable company and their biodiesel antigel is likely to be effective. Be aware that these antigel agents contain small amounts of toxic compounds, usually toluene, and must be handled with care.. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Koray; http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html with links at the bottom. Luc - Original Message - From: Koray Cilingir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] which diesel additive do u use to increase flow in coldweather hi please tell me which diesel additive do u use to increase cold flow of biodiesel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] which diesel additive do u use to increase flow incoldweather
while sometimes and you want to simulate leaving the car parked at the airport several days, perhaps! Filters will always plug first. That's the most restrictive point. Some engines have heated filters, some have returns that divert some heated return-line fuel back to the filter, some bury the filter near the engine or near the exhaust/turbo. I've seen all sorts of strategies used by manufacturers. Also, be aware that filters often *ice* from a bit of water in them, before they are actually being plugged by the fuel itself. Be sure to drain off the water separator, if the filter has one, and if you have not changed the filter lately, put in a new one if you're having troubles, and keep it drained off if it's a water separator type. Just drain off a little at a time, now and then. Inline heaters, tank heaters (coolant, 12VDC, 120VDC pads) etc., as are used for SVO, are often useful tools for those wanting to run B100 in cold, and who do not want to purchase/add additives, or as much, on an ongoing basis. Also remember that problems can often be avoided by using an engine heater (block heater, oil pan pad heater, onboard diesel-fired or propane-fired parking heater) and that you can often avoid a starve/stall right after takeoff on a cold morning simply by letting the engine idle a minute or two, which allows moving, slightly warmed fuel to de-wax (open up a channel) the filter, so that more fuel can flow easily once the engine demands increase (i.e. you start driving!). This also gets the injection pump, lift pump, lube oil, etc. a chance to get moving without straining things. Applies to SVO and biodiesel, and even to diesel, and all is of course depending on just how cold it is! I'm anti-idling in general but a little bit in the morning, for a diesel, and more so on biodiesel and SVO, is useful. Besides, that's usually when you are clearing snow, scraping the windows, and trying to ensure your defroster will work once you start driving. Just a minute or two...no starting it up then going inside for another coffee! Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Support Engineers Without Borders. See: www.ewb.ca On Jan 12, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Legal Eagle wrote: You're welcome. Start out with your chosen additive and test it for cold weather pour point by placing a BD/additive ix in the freezer along with a thermometer and an untreated sample as well, then compare. Unless your filters, where the problem could occur as well as the fuel lines, are direcctly in the wind the reading you get should be good. Of course if you park the car in really cold temps then you may want to look at another option along with the additive. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Dust Supressants, Biodiesel, and B100 Soy
for livestock barns, many use it on dirt roads, etc. No need to use biodiesel for it, just vegoil. Maybe the idea would be to crop-dust with vegoil, use the mist to catch the topsoil that's been levitated, bring it back to earth, and get topsoil back, cleaner air, and a bit of fertility (from the vegoil?) as benefits. Of course you'd have to use something like this for application, to be enviro-friendly...and run it on SVO or biodiesel http://www.atg-airships.com/ Better to examine the agricultural and construction practices first, though, to see what can be done on that front to minimize creation of PM in the first place! ;-) Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Support Engineers Without Borders. See: www.ewb.ca On Jan 12, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Phillip Wolfe wrote: Dear Readers: The San Joaquin Valley of California has problems with air quality. I read that dust,ag-related dust, and dust related to construction activities contribute to sources of particulate matter. Traditionally the regular petroleum oils and/or water are used to supress dust - especially on ag land. I that soy dust supressants and/or B50 or B100 can provide solution. Any information or weblinks kindly appreciated. Thank you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Dust Supressants, Biodiesel, and B100 Soy
about airships, of course, but there should be some merit to the other points. And the diesel-powered airships are of interest, I hope, to listmembers, on other levels, even if totally impractical for this problem. I share your concerns regarding air quality, PM, agricultural and construction practices, valleys, etc. - they are all parts of my own history, relate to where I live now, etc., so good luck in your efforts! Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Support Engineers Without Borders. See: www.ewb.ca On Jan 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Phillip Wolfe wrote: Dear Edward, Thank you for the information. I sit on the board of the Transportation/Fuels/Lubes Subcommittee of Operation Clean Air in the San Joaquin Valley. I coordinated a presentation on ULSD with British Petroleum. I will bring up this information to my contacts. The San Joaquin Valley will continue to be in the headlines regarding its air quality problems. If this summer's climate is hot (which it will be) then you will see more headlines. Although I live in the San Francisco area, my heart still wants to volunteer in any manner possible for my former beloved Valley. Regards. --- Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vegetable oils are excellent dust suppressants. This has been studied for livestock barns, many use it on dirt roads, etc. No need to use biodiesel for it, just vegoil. Maybe the idea would be to crop-dust with vegoil, use the mist to catch the topsoil that's been levitated, bring it back to earth, and get topsoil back, cleaner air, and a bit of fertility (from the vegoil?) as benefits. Of course you'd have to use something like this for application, to be enviro-friendly...and run it on SVO or biodiesel http://www.atg-airships.com/ Better to examine the agricultural and construction practices first, though, to see what can be done on that front to minimize creation of PM in the first place! ;-) Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Support Engineers Without Borders. See: www.ewb.ca On Jan 12, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Phillip Wolfe wrote: Dear Readers: The San Joaquin Valley of California has problems with air quality. I read that dust,ag-related dust, and dust related to construction activities contribute to sources of particulate matter. Traditionally the regular petroleum oils and/or water are used to supress dust - especially on ag land. I that soy dust supressants and/or B50 or B100 can provide solution. Any information or weblinks kindly appreciated. Thank you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ford Synus Diesel Urban concept car shows at Detroit
Synus? I guess the reduced PM of B20, etc. will be good for the sinuses! --- Biomass diesel? The use of that term is in itself interesting. Let alone the little armored car thing. Shows they're thinking, at least, since it was shown in Detroit. Is this foreshadowing a new terminology, a more generic one perhaps? One that broadens the definition in future beyond biodiesel (methyl or ethyl ester) to include various thing like SVO, alcohol/SVO blends, ethanol diesel, etc...? Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Support Engineers Without Borders. See: www.ewb.ca ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] student seeking info on conducting Feasability Studies...part of Thesis
UBC Biodiesel project http://www.eya.ca/biodiesel/ Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Support Engineers Without Borders. See: www.ewb.ca On Jan 7, 2005, at 4:12 PM, R Del Bueno wrote: University of Georgia (UGA) in Athens, GA did a biodiesel production feasibility study for GA not to long ago. A .pdf of the report can be found at: http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/biodieselrpt.pdf -Rob At 06:33 PM 1/7/2005, you wrote: Dave, With a little bit of research on the Journey To Forever website you will find most of your answers. I am sure you will get some responses from the helpful experts on this email list. TO give you encouragement, I worked at a petroleum company for several years. The one I worked for has 35,000 gas stations around the world. I cannot knock them because they helped bring up my family with a good salary. But I do think there are opportunities to look at different fuel supply streams such as biodiesel. Many petroleum folks think the same way and will happen as inertia hits crtical point. I miss the steady salary of a real job but my early retirement and now free-lance work was a blessing in disguise cause I get to meet people like you and others on this email list. Keep up the good work. Citizen at Large Phillip Wolfe --- David Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings to all, My name is David and i'm a student at university of Mary Washington as well as a home brewer. I was originally drawn to biodiesel for 3 reasons: 1) its resistance to multinational oil corporations, 2) its lower emissions, and 3) the ability to make my own fuel. As I've become more involved in the biodiesel scene here in VA I've encountered several municipalities (or is it municipals...whatever) as well as universities which have adopted biodiesel into their fleets. I have had my thesis approved (major: Sustainable Development ( focusing on greening capitalism) to conduct a study of the feasiblity of buying and/or brewing BD on site for the university and city fleets. While i have a good idea of what is entailed in a feasability study, i understand that there is a general format which biodiesel consultants tend to follow. I'm hoping there is a consultant out there who can send me a copy of a feasability study that i may use as a guideline in my study, or at least list for me some of the important criteria. I have a general outline of my approach to this study for anyone interested. Also, I'd like to know what kinds of grants are available for student BD research that would apply for a student researching BD for a University or City. This is an amazing blog. I've learned so much from it and thank you all for participating. I hope to hear from you soon. cheers, David T ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Veg Oil vs Bio diesel
On Jan 6, 2005, at 8:08 AM, ken murphy wrote: It was reported in the news papers a couple of years ago that a local company changed to using vegetable oil as a fuel in all their large trucks. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Veg Oil vs Bio diesel
Electric heating combined with coolant heat takes care of that. See our site. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Jan 6, 2005, at 11:23 AM, John Guttridge wrote: who runs liquidsolar (www.liquidsolar.com) reports to me that he almost never gets to switch over in the winter on trips under 10-15 miles but he has a big tank for the SVO so that might have something to do with it. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Veg Oil vs Bio diesel
economy than diesel. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Jan 6, 2005, at 11:23 AM, John Guttridge wrote: I don't know what people say with regards to SVO. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Veg Oil vs Bio diesel
we have today, and their injection systems, were designed to use much lighter viscosity fuel...mid-distillate (diesel). It is imperative to reduce viscosity either via transesterification (make biodiesel) or by application of heat to the vegetable oil. These trucks were, most likely, running biodiesel, not vegetable oil, if running unmodified. If that is not the case and they were running unheated 100% vegoil in unmodified engines, they'd be asking for problems, as has been documented many times. Diesel's first engines having run vegetable oil is an interesting historical tidbit and nice general demonstration of the viability of the idea, but in relation to the engines of today it's not valid to use that as evidence that you can run unheated vegoil in an umodified fuel system or engine without conversion to biodiesel. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Jan 7, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Good morning from Europe, ken murphy a crit : (...) It was reported in the news papers a couple of years ago that a local company changed to using vegetable oil as a fuel in all their large trucks. The owner of the company made the change because of the reduced pollutants from VO as opposed to diesel. He said there was no conversion of any sort required on his trucks. He simply began fueling them with VO. Normal. When Rudolph Diesel has invented the diesel motor, the petrodiesel fuel didn't exist and the motors was design to work with VO from linen seeds. Frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
Have you tried www.jatropha.org Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Jan 4, 2005, at 12:21 AM, crystal wormald wrote: Hello everyone! I want to find out if there is a market for Jatropha nuts (for bio-fuel) within Australia and if so how do I go about planting my own crop so to say? I want to plant htem from cuttings as I have found out that this way has a higher survival rate than that of crops started from seeds. I need to know where I would purchase a Jatropha plant or if there is a supplier who I can purchase clippings from. How does one go about this? Who might one talk to about this? Does anyone have a clue? I've been searching for months now with no success Frustrated~! Crystal, WA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] TDI Question
diesel version in the first place, unless you get a very good deal on a gasser with a blown engine and a very good deal on a used diesel engine, and do all the work yourself, it is not worth it, and probably not even then. The Merc 300TD up to and including '85, one that is rust-free from the West, with a block heater, oil pan heater, or parking heater added, and kept oiled (oiling with biodiesel would be interesting) to keep it from rusting, is your best bet for a solid, safe, SVO-friendly wagon. Otherwise, finance the newer one if you have to, you'll make up the finance charges in fuel savings. The VW is going to get you an extra 10-15 mpg, which helps, too. Avoid the 6 cylinder 87 Merc wagons.head gaskets/aluminum heads are an expensive (very!) problem and rare to find and fix. The 5 cylinder up to '85 is the best. Get the turbodiesel model if you want some power, although the earlier non-turbo are fine, and simpler, and very reliable, too. If snow and winter is an issue, spend the extra and get the VW front wheel drive. Much, much better in winter. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 19, 2004, at 6:15 AM, Eric Wendy wrote: Hi Everyone! I am a station wagon kind of mom. I don't want to drop a lot of money on a new car, so purchasing a new Jetta or Passat wagon TDI is out of the question. Finding a used TDI wagon is very hard. I found some gasoline Passat wagons on auto trader for under $10,000. Could I purchase one of them and put a diesel engine in it? Is it physically possible? Does it make financial sense? Thanks! Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The sweet smell of success
(Even if I think I know where he could get an onboard fuel processor that might give him longer filter life! ;-) There are quite a few buses and trucks running SVO/WVO in Europe as well, and lots of kilometers being accumulated. A hard working diesel (trucks, any highway use, marine, generators if not oversized, etc.) are good SVO applications - keep them hot and working, not idling and loafing around town, and any diesel is a lot happier, and this is even more true on SVO. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 14, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Patrick Campbell wrote: In the trucker magazine Land Line in the December issue there is an article about a Heartland truck driver who runs SVO in his 18 wheeler! The magazine is free and I subscribe to it as a part-time owner operator hotshot trucker (with my pickup truck). There is a link to the article here: http://www.landlinemag.com/Archives/2004/Dec04/features/sweet_smell.htm It's a fun read and really quite interesting to see someone who pulls 80,000 lbs at 5.5 MPG running 90+% WVO. Nice exposure too!!! Patrick Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home: 201.345.4133 Mobile: 602.723.3098 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] I made a test batch!
Thanks for the reminder, Peggy, we can all use them from time to time. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 13, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Peggy wrote: While reviewing the writings of one of my favorite philosophers, Jane Roberts, a quote she gave by Seth again tells us that we do far greater good in the world by focusing on our positive steps than in finding fault. Your biofuel production is another step in what is right for you, and your community, and the world in general. Good Job! Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants
pressed or in some cases solvent extracted oil, to make various lubricants. We can also supply plant oil based lubricants as manufactured products. Contact me off list for details Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 8, 2004, at 4:00 AM, francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Dave: when you find it , pls pass the word. Thanks, Francisco - Original Message - From: Dave Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants Hello, I am looking for biodegradable, 100% (or 99.9%) plant derived 2-stroke and 4-stroke motor oils and lubricants. We have many vehicles running on ethanol, biodiesel and SVO, and just hate the idea of putting in petro motor oil on our next oil changes. We are looking for a bulk buy of some sort, maybe even a distributorship, but haven't had luck locating a business which markets 100% biooil for use in 4 stroke engines. Any help is appreciated, I know its out there. Thanks! Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested
Either Single Tank or Two Tank will work for you in the older Mercedes in this situation and climate, as long as you have an electric SVO heater as part of your system (like our VEG-Therm) so that you are not dependent on coolant operated heating alone. That allows for very fast switch-over to SVO. You also want a system, if two-tank, that allows for a fast purge time, a minute or two (and you'll want a buzzer feature to remind you that you forgot to purge the system before you shut the engine off, if using two-tank) Finally, you will want convenience and long filter life, with a minimum of pre-filtering and preparation of the oil. With these features, your experience should be quite favourable, either on single tank or two tank. Single tank might need 10-20% diesel added in the coldest months of the year in N. Cal., depending on engine condition, the oil you use, the elevation you live at, etc. Regards Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:39 AM, Eva Reale wrote: Hello, there Grease World, I live in Northern CA and am in the process of deciding whether to join the club. I am interested in WVO (and probably an older Mercedes model) but I need to talk to some experienced folks as part of my research. I was thinking about a 2-tank system, but during the week I take a short drive (15-minutes) to the ferry landing and commute from there. It doesn't seem worth warming up the car via 2-tank for such a short drive, especially as I'm usually in a hurry. I was told I could run the 2-tank like a 1-tank and not worry about it (in Northern CA) for my short drives... I'm not interested in making my own biodiesel. Some folks in a smaller email group told me that running WVO on a single tank was nuts unless I wanted to destroy the engine. I'd love some advice. Any advice on WVO, including what are the best kinds of oil to use and what are the worst. Anything that anyone would be willing to share. I realize you've probably already shared a lot, but I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks to anyone who chooses to reply. NewKid ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pre heating with Solar heating ?
recorded 130F on a sumer day, after 4 hours, inside those translucent jugs the oil comes in! This will accelerate and enhance the gravity settling of contaminants out of the oil (normally just done at room temperature in an undisturbed, unheated jug or drum) Also, for prefiltering, if you settle the oil 2-3 weeks, undisturbed at room temperature, it will become very clean and most free water will settle out. I was once told by a person in the oil pressing industry that the new cold pressed oil (that emerges from the press like mud) will settle out to as low as 5 microns after several weeks of settling. There is a real difference between oil that has settled a few days, and that which has settled a few weeks! After a few days, now talking about WVO, you will see a lot of stuff has dropped out - but the oil may well remain cloudy. This may be mistaken for water (and some of it may be), but it is mostly very fine particles still in suspension (remember that you can only see particles down to about 50 microns with the naked eye!). Let it settle another week or two, and it will usually be totally clear! My method is to do this right in the jugs, then insert our Wand (which has a cleanable 70 micron strainer, just to ensure that nothing large gets picked up) into the jug, a few inches off the bottom. Then into the tank it goes, and the Vormaxx onboard fuel processor does the rest. The prefilter stage on this heated filter is a centrifugal (vortex) action. Water and contaminants swirl to the outside, then hit a vortex breaker and drop out, where they can be drained off easily. At low flow rates, it would function as a traditional sediment bowl, at higher rates, the centrifugal action. Either works. Up to 97% of contaminants are removed this way *before* they reach the final filter. Then a Racor or Fleetguard, or Donaldson large capacity water separator type filter with the ability to remove both free and emulsified water is the final filter. The filter is heated by coolant, and the Racor has a Lexan bowl with a 12VDC heater option to provide further heat to the final filter if needed. By going to this method a few years ago, the process of collecting and preparing WVO for use was greatly simplified and we have encountered no problems. Filter life is in the thousands of miles in most cases, with just the gravity-settled approach. I do have customers who use finer prefilters - anywhere from 10 down to 1 micron, and take it down very fine before it goes in the tank. They've done cross country trips, and gone for up to a year without a filter change on the Vormaxx, just cleaning out the prefilter regularly (once a week, say, or every time you check the engine oil, drain off 300ml or so into a Ziplock back and discard) I and many others have found this to be effective, and much easier than the Boil and Bag routine of heating, boiling, cooling, filtering, etc, in the shop, and it uses less energy (well, less energy for the boiling, and less of my time and energy too!) Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 3, 2004, at 3:40 AM, Legal Eagle wrote: G'day Alex; - Original Message - From: alex burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:27 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Pre heating with Solar heating ? Hello Has anyone used solar pre heating to raise the temp of the oil in any way ? In california they have solar powered water heaters, so why not ? (I may be waisting my time but i dont want to use only LPG gas to preheat my oil) I live in sunny Australia You should no probs pre-heating with solar, thing is to devise a method. Any info or advice. I am very happy to listen to. if this is a silly concept please tell me Know. Far from a silly concept, it is a good one, however the process may be time consuming unless you plan on setting up PV panels and using the electrical output to power an element of some kind, as in an immersion heater ect... I use an immersion heater and 115V electrical, but Oz is already hooked up to 240V continuous so use that or a solar variant of the same. Another potential method would be to pre-heat using the glycol by-product as many do, however they will be in a better position to give you the details and hazzards than I. I must tell you i have only made one full scale batch of BD and i have so much to lern The learning curve is half the fun, and very empowering, as you can see the progress you are making and it is something atainable. Anyone suffering from inaptitude should get into biodiesel production as therapy :-) I have only just sold my old petrol (GAS) ute and yet to buy a Diesel. the exelent advice i have recived stopped me from buying the only diesel that was in my price range. But in the new year i hope to be able to buy a diesel for now i just want to set up for production
Re: [Biofuel] Pre heating with Solar heating ?
I found the translucent plastic jugs the oil comes in here, which are thin, allowed faster heating, highest temperatures, and of course it was simple since I collect the oil in those jugs. Here, they come in a cardboard box, and so you just remove the jugs and set them in the sun if you want faster than usual heating and settling to occur. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 3, 2004, at 5:17 AM, Juan Boveda wrote: Hello Alex. In a sunny and hot enviromment, a simple way to heat the veg oil with the sun before filtering it is to put the oil into small black plastic containers like the ones use to sell lubricating oils and expose them to the sun much higher temperatures can be archived inside a good sealed glass box with a side of the box made with an adecuately inclined mirror . Regards. Juan Paraguay -South America -Mensaje original- De: alex burton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Viernes 3 de Diciembre de 2004 6:28 AM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [Biofuel] Pre heating with Solar heating ? Hello Has anyone used solar pre heating to raise the temp of the oil in any way ? (I may be waisting my time but i dont want to use only LPG gas to preheat my oil) I live in sunny Australia Any info or advice. I am very happy to listen to. if this is a silly concept please tell me Know. I must tell you i have only made one full scale batch of BD and i have so much to lern I have only just sold my old petrol (GAS) ute and yet to buy a Diesel. the exelent advice i have recived stopped me from buying the only diesel that was in my price range. But in the new year i hope to be able to buy a diesel for now i just want to set up for production of a average of 100Litres a week(thats more than i need but i want to provide it to friends as well and convert them) Regards Alex.B ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.781 / Virus Database: 527 - Release Date: 21/10/04 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] veg oil innn gm 5.7---6.2
fuel, not on biodiesel or SVO, wasn't he? In any case, SVO is not nearly as good a solvent as biodiesel. The issue with high percentage blends of biodiesel and B100 is that it's a solvent that attacks the pump seals. SVO does not do that, not to any great extent at least. The issue with SVO, on the other hand is viscosity. Heating it to 70C (roughly) gets it into the range that it can be tolerated by pumps - some tolerate it better than others. Inline pumps do best, but many rotary pumps do ok as well. There are lots of Stanadyne pumps using heated vegoil. If your pump has had to be rebuilt a few times, on diesel, this is because it was subjected to low sulphur diesel, most likely. That fuel does not provide adequate lubricity. Interestingly, only 0.1% addition of a Canola (rapeseed) derived lubricity additive would have likely saved the pump! If you use cold pressed rapeseed oil, heated, two tank system, I think you've have very good chances of success with SVO. There is for example a John Deere tractor (in Sweden) with a Roosa pump - over 600 hours I believe, on rapeseed SVO. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 3, 2004, at 3:00 AM, Mats Jansson wrote: Is this shock coupler the only part that needs to bee replaced? In that case it would be best to do before it brokes... Is this a problen when driving on processed biofuel too or just SVO? Do anyone knows where to by the proper parts? Mats Jansson, Sweden Frn: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Svara till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:54:16 -0700 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mne: Re: [Biofuel] veg oil innn gm 5.7---6.2 no it is not gov, ,, purpoe is to soften coupling between engiane and internanals,, the old ones were rubberlikeake plastic disc like a disc pump coupling, if u have pepper liake stuff, u must rebauldd the pump, just to ge the trash out, the grit getsss into the finer passesges, and pump must be toanr down completell to change thae shock coupler,, it only cost,, used to cost couple of dollarsss but the labor cost tow, three hundred at injections shop prices,but even if u could get it in, u know, kne that u are building in known failure unless u could get the stanadyne part and the injectiaon shops are not casual about seelling just that piece, they want the pump job,. rebuildidng hte snanadyne pump i somesting best not tried by the average mechanic the tool equaity requaired is not worth the effort given the praobable chance of not getting it right, give it to reputable pump shop and have it rebuilt to snaandyne specs with the corredct stainless sprung coupler, in would even go so far as to question the shop as to whetaher the stainless part is used, not the rubeerrr , buck, Is this shock coupler the same thing as the governor? When I had to have a pump rebuilt that's what they seemed to call it, and from memory their description of it was very similiar to what you're calling the shock coupler. I opened up the top of it before taking it in and found black bits all over, as I was told I would if it was bad. Interesting to see the inside, but I didn't dare tear into it without either the knowledge or tools. Thanks! Erik --- Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dary hannnah, drivess a 78? chevvyel caminoo, burnsss veg oilll,, that wouald beee the gm 5.7 with roosaaa master,,/stanadynee pumpp,, same as 6.2,, stanadtne was rebuilding early roosa for gm application, it had a shoc coup0ler insid that waass incompatibleee with diesel fuel, it was aaa plastic disc aabobut the sizeee of silver dollar wit sixx holes equallyy apaced. when diesel attacaked this coupllser , it turneddd blackkk, hard, briattle, breaking up ,looked like blaack perpper,,trashed the fuel systemm, also this causedd the cpupler to drive on the pins, also caused the timeingg to retard drasticallly,, roose bout the designnn, and built replacemeanat based on this with stainless steel shock,,, coupler, buck,for the personn wo wants to put his efflujent into the creek,, theree are many thisngsss, with neutral ph that willl drop u in your tracksss as sure as gunshot to the eyebrows, if u want to find out how well wash water in the crk might work, post two line ad in your local newspaper with your intentionsss,,jyour neighborss will let you knoww how wel they thinkk it might workbuck,think of i this way the discharge froam yourr washisng machine mightt be neutra,, want to drink it, dont put anythiang in your water u wouldnt want to drink, somebody does even if theyr cowss, and if so then u or someone drinks it anyawya ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested
need to learn more about how do it! Spare us the scare tactics. SVO's proven itself to a much greater extent than what you suggest, and many on this list know that to be true. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:45 PM, DB wrote: Don't do it. Everybody I Know who is running on WVO is having nothing but trouble. Bio is the way to go. I've been making it and selling it for three years now. No problems. I make more than I need and sell the rest which pays for all expense.. Get together with some friends and make Bio DDB - Original Message - From: Eva Reale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested Hello, there Grease World, I live in Northern CA and am in the process of deciding whether to join the club. I am interested in WVO (and probably an older Mercedes model) but I need to talk to some experienced folks as part of my research. I was thinking about a 2-tank system, but during the week I take a short drive (15-minutes) to the ferry landing and commute from there. It doesn't seem worth warming up the car via 2-tank for such a short drive, especially as I'm usually in a hurry. I was told I could run the 2-tank like a 1-tank and not worry about it (in Northern CA) for my short drives... I'm not interested in making my own biodiesel. Some folks in a smaller email group told me that running WVO on a single tank was nuts unless I wanted to destroy the engine. I'd love some advice. Any advice on WVO, including what are the best kinds of oil to use and what are the worst. Anything that anyone would be willing to share. I realize you've probably already shared a lot, but I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks to anyone who chooses to reply. NewKid ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Welcome to the biofuels-biz group
Hello, I've added you to my biofuels-biz group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use service. Yahoo! Groups makes it easy to send and receive group messages, coordinate events, share photos and files, and more. (NOTE: biofuels-biz is an announcement/newsletter group, so only the group moderator may post messages.) My introductory message to you: bfb join Description of the group: This group is now closed. Please see the Biofuel mailing list.Address and subscription:http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel The Biofuel mailing list is for anyone who is making their own fuel or has an interest in biofuels - all aspects of biofuels use are covered. There are resources, FAQs, how-to's, full recipes and an online Biofuels Library at the Journey to Forever website, the premier source of small-scale biofuels information: Biofuels http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html Biodiesel - Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Straight vegetable oil (SVO) http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Biofuels Library http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Ethanol http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html List home: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel All messages are archived at the independent Info-Archive at NNYTech - fast, one-time searching and NO ADS: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Best wishesJourney to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Important information about the biofuels-biz group * To leave the group, you can unsubscribe by replying to this message, or by sending an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * To learn more about the biofuels-biz group, please visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz * To view and modify all of your groups, visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, biofuels-biz Report abuse: Because Yahoo! Groups values your privacy, it is a violation of our service rules for moderators to add subscribers to a group against their wishes. If you feel this has happened, please notify us: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/abuse/index.html You may also change your email preferences to prevent group owners from adding you to their groups. To do so, please go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/s?tag=UBoeRDz1z7R20skVeHW79BfX_Sr43QnDuG1h9450lXsvu9v-lkuhKTOiiC0QTNZoPwJvsjEtxr4mlA Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Welcome to the biofuels-biz group
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Re: [Biofuel] help me
Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) may be another option for you. There is information on that as well, at the journey to forever site, as well as on our site. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Sep 16, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Joseph Putzer wrote: use ethanol instead see the journey to foever webpage for more info on ethanol dan hentea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hy. My name is Dan and i`m from Bucharest, Romania -that explains my bad english. I have a very big problem. I like the idea with biodiesel, i get all the stuff and ingredients that i need, but i can`t get methanol. Why? Because here in Romania took place some accidents caused by bad handleing and storeing of methanol. After this accidents the authoryties are asking a lot of lycences to buy metthanol. Can you help me with a substitute for methanol, or with a way of makeing my own methanol? thank you very much. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Tealeaf Magazine÷A Different View on Life, Work, Play www.josephputzer.com - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Hurricane
workers fleeing in the face of nature's fury. ... that fury perhaps having been enhanced as a result of their own previous efforts - and the world's addiction their product, and the seemingly prosperous, advanced lifestyle it allows. Ed On Sep 12, 2004, at 4:58 PM, Andres Yver wrote: The argument is simplistic, but it's logic appears to hold, and it seems to be the general concensus of most of the world's scientists as well. We've turned up the flame. I also have faith in our capacity to turn it back down, so that maybe it will only be something that our great-great-grandchildren will study as history. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Environment
Hi Keith... DanghI should know this one...you told me before once, a few eons ago, now you've used it twice in the last few days... CAWKI? Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Aug 29, 2004, at 11:28 AM, Keith Addison wrote: they're a threat to CAWKI. Can't be us, after all, we wouldn't do a thing like that, must be nature, it's downright unnatural, it should be stopped. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dealerships?
Since the National Biodiesel Board in the USA is funded and has the mandate to promote biodiesel use, and has all the needed materials to convince, why not ask them to get a dialogue going with VW, pointing out the benefits to both parties, as well as end users, and the environment? It seems to me VW could make a lot of low cost marketing/publicity points in North America, by being strongly supportive of biodiesel use. Edward Beggs On Aug 30, 2004, at 6:35 AM, Keith Addison wrote: I'd love to have a well-written list of talking points and materials to convince dealerships to promote diesel sales and biodiesel fueling. Suggestions? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Environment
Thanks, Keith Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Aug 29, 2004, at 10:39 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Hi Ed Hi Keith... DanghI should know this one...you told me before once, a few eons ago, now you've used it twice in the last few days... CAWKI? :-) Twice? Did I? Oh right - sinister extreme leftwing conspiracies on the one hand and sheep farts and termites on the other, CAWKI can't possibly survive. Save the women and children first! We'll all be murdered in our beds! Bullets can't stop it, rockets can't stop it - we might have to use nukular forz! Um, sorry... I didn't want to puzzle anyone, but it is part of Internet usage, I didn't just make it up: CAWKI Civilization As We Know It http://www.acronymfinder.com/ Acronym Finder: Find out what over 361,000 acronyms abbreviations stand for As a writer and editor I really don't like acronyms, but midst the chaos of the global Internet, WTH... Regards Keith Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Aug 29, 2004, at 11:28 AM, Keith Addison wrote: they're a threat to CAWKI. Can't be us, after all, we wouldn't do a thing like that, must be nature, it's downright unnatural, it should be stopped. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Grease
you can learn about, and keep doing it that way. Here's an article: 10 years of mustard biodiesel (NOTE: this was not biodiesel..it was unheated mustard oil, single tank) in Finland, blended 60% oil and 40% diesel fuel...but no preheat, no two tank, and I believe a direct injection engine - he did well to get this far, I think, but you'll see as you read down that he feels he got complacent later onolder (higher FFA oil, cheaper motor oil (fewer oil changes?) etc) In May 1993 a test was started in south-western part of Finland. The aim of the test was to check what the risk is for a farmer to use his own, home-made biodiesel of mustard. Mustard seed oil was pressed with a simple screwpress and let to stand for a month or a longer time to clarify. The clear supernatant was used lean as dieselfuel in a field tractor Valmet 505 model from the year 1985. After a period of two years a blend of 60% mustard seed oil and 40% dieselfuel was used. The estimated test time was only some weeks according to some specialists working in this field. Anyway, the motor was not broken until the tenth test year and 1900 test hours. A series of thesisis for Batchelor of Science has been done under leadership of Doctor of Science Seppo Niemi in Turku Polytecnic. The latest work is being done by Toni Nieminen A SHORT STORY OF MUSTARD PLANT Mustard is an excellent plant for Finnish farming as a spiceplant and oil plant. In ecological farming it gives a yield of mustard seeds around 1000 kilos a hectar. We can make about 300 litres mustard seed oil a hectar. More about mustard seed and farming you can read here. SOME NOTES ON THE TEST In the beginning and in the midlle of the test the cylinder head was removed and the motor was considered quite clean. In the beginning of the year 2002 the risk level was raised considerably: a cheap universal motor oil was used and old ( more than 5 years old ) lots of mustard seed oil were used as dieselfuel in the test tractor. It took only 100 hours and the motor was broken and the third piston looked: More information will be given in the near future. http://www.ekolaiho.fi/sivut/tenyears.html Edward Beggs (Author: Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design - M.Sc. thesis) Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Aug 25, 2004, at 6:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to this whole thing So all you're doing is pouring it straight into the tank without a heater to it? And how much filtration do you do to it ? Not to be a twit or anything ( I like your idea ), but, why don't you wait until it gets colder ( say near 0* F ) and you car stands out all night? That will have a big effect on how the grease acts in the engine. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Ross Cannon To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 14:35 Subject: [biofuel] Grease currently, i am burning about half Petrodiesel and french fry grease that i get once a week from a friends restaurant. i filter it and toss it in. my MB diesel seems to not notice the grease in the tank. why should i consider going through the difficulty of making biodiesel when this is working so well? i am intending to increase the percentage of grease in the tank to see if the engine slows some. i intend to park the car during the 6 weeks when we have 10* weather here.Ross BTW, i live in NW Indiana very near the Illinois border and Chicago. I'm mostly east and a little south of you, in Anderson. Probably be moving west in another month or so, though. The only question left is how far west and exactly when. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what part of indiana? i am in west laffeyette The difficult situation that the US is in can not be solved by waging more wars. The violence done in our name generates more violence and hatred against us. The solution arises from changing our attitudes about other people. We need to stop the theft of their resources and labor and begin to treat them with respect and dignity. RossCannon The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group
[biofuel] Fwd: [SIV Global:] Climate is changing: what can we do?
Hello: (See article below for context) Comment: One thing we can do is run our cars, trucks, generators, boats, tractors, when we need to use them, and using the fuel efficient ones we have available, on SVO (straight vegetable oil) and biodiesel...see article below. Those coconut and palm, and jatropha, moringa, honge, and many other. plants make good plant oil for running diesels! Little is required in terms of investment in conversion kits (on the engine, no chemical processing needed) or processors to make biodiesel using simple techniques and some methanol and lye. With 220 million plus diesels in the world, and about 20 million new ones being added each year, and people needing to make jobs locally and stop importing fossil fuel from far away, it's one of our best immediate options. Renewable oil fuels are CO2-neutral on a life cycle basis (some studies suggest they're net positive...and actually reduce CO2 levels more than the burning of the oil from the seeds re-contributes. There is no sulphur in the fuel, and very little PAH, NOx increases are negligible, and particulates (soot, black smoke) levels are reduced usually somewhere around 30-50%. Blending in some 9% ethanol has been found to cut particulates in half once again, if used in combination with preheating of the fuel, as is done with SVO system techniques. The techniques that we and others have developed to use used cooking oil as SVO in colder climates (sometimes it's fairly high viscosity, since it is partly hydrogenated from being heated in the fryers, and has a high cloud point) translate well into using something like coconut oil (which has a very high cloud point) in other countries with warmer climates. If you have a local oil that tends to go solid almost at room temperature, it's the same as us here in Canada and parts of the US having to deal with very cold winter temperatures and used cooking oil (or even new soy or Canola oils, for that matter, when the temperatures get really cold!) We do not have to wait for Kyoto, politicians, better batteries, cheaper PV panels, or Hydrogen fuel cells, nor large scale commercial biodiesel imports to the region, nor pumps at the corner gas station. We can do this now, the techniques are well established, thousands are running pure plant oil and biodiesel of their own making, and more every day, and some have been doing this for years now. Presses are available for all scales and budgets for cold pressing of various seed oils, and there are also specialized presses available for cold pressing coconut locally, versus export of copra and import of diesel fuel. Edward Beggs B.E.S., M.Sc. Author: Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design (pdf available on web site below) Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: August 25, 2004 7:26:00 AM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SIV Global:] Climate is changing: what can we do? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMALL ISLANDS VOICE Do you live in a small island? Tell us what you think. *** The rising sea is eating at the shores of low-lying Funafuti, a small mound of coral and coconut palms in the remote Pacific, midway between Hawaii and Australia. Nervous islanders watch as fingers of ocean travel beneath the sands, resurfacing inland in startling places. 'It used to be puddles. Now it's like lakes' said Hilia Vavae, local meteorologist. People were especially worried when the runway flooded. 'That's new' Margaret Bita told a visiting reporter after Sunday church services. The church and the little airport lie on the broadest part ö 600 yards across ö of slender, steamy 7-mile long Funafuti, home to about half the 11,000 people of Tuvalu, an impoverished nation getting by on fees from foreign fishing fleets, international aid and money sent home by Tuvaluan merchant seamen. The main island narrows elsewhere to a mere 50 yards of sand, with swaying palms and a roadway between the lagoon and the sea. Its elevation is seldom more than a few feet. When February's high tides washed out a small causeway, children swam to school. As recently as the 1980s, Vavae said, the peak high tides came only in January and February, now she said they crash ashore from September to May. But it is the quiet seepage from below that most alarms Tuvaluans. Because of intruding salt water, many have abandoned their gardens and crops. On the nearby islet of Vasafua, the coconut trees are dying. Another small, uninhabited island has vanished beneath the waves. 'It went underwater in the cyclone of 1997' Vavae said. Similar events are taking place in the Marshall
Re: [biofuel] Grease
Hi Patrick; It would not hurt, but you don't need it for lubrication, there is plenty of that from the vegoil itself! I have never had any problems with injectors coking, with a two tank system and a diesel purge. I do use premium diesel sometimes, and once in a while I run a 1/3 of tank of it through the SVO tank, after getting the SVO level down quite low first (swishes out the tank now and then) I've never used additive like this, nor biocides and have not had any problems to date on these issues, winter or summer. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Aug 26, 2004, at 1:56 AM, Patrick Campbell wrote: When using a 2 tank system, and flushing prior to shut down with bio or petro diesel not VO, what are your thoughts on using a high concentration of additive such as Power Service AGRI cleaner which is Cummins L10 ertified to clean injectors and has a soy based formula for lubrication? http://www.powerservice.com/agripower_cetaneboost_app.asp --- Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, There seems to be a fairly cavalier attitude emerging on various lists about SVO use, especially in Mercedes up to 1985 (the OM617 engines), lately (we I see it mostly in July and August every year, then it disappears again in September and the cries for help start going out - it's like the story of the fox and the squirrel!) In summary, the Hubris Song of the Lazy/Cheap Mercedes Owner in Summer goes like this... Yoo -hoo!! Yoo-hoo!! get an old Merc and dump used fryer grease in the tank - they love it! Well, they don't love it. They're very tolerant of abuse, more like, for a while, but don't push it, is my advice. Old Mercedes, the Masochist of Engines? Um, no, not quite. There are limits, folks... As someone who has researched this whole SVO topic for some time (since 1999), and has owned and operated Mercedes cars of this vintage, has done experiments in warm and cold weather on various engines, has followed the work of many others over the last number of years, has pioneered the use of SVO in North America, and, yes, has operated a company that supplies SVO kits and components (the formation of the company followed the conclusions of the academic work, not the other way around!), I would state the following: - Preheating and two tank (start/stop on diesel) works best for all engines, and results in lowest overall emissions with least cost and complexity. *Cold starts are where emissions are worst, for any engine, and cold starting on single tank SVO with anything less than ideal conditions for fuel, ambient temperature, engine and starting system, etc., will most likely result in higher than usual or achievable emissions...so, why push it, at all? Single tank SVO can be used on these engines, but only with quite good, thin oil, preheating of the SVO, and in warm weather. Only do single tank systems when you have the right conditions for it. Medium term results, for SVO use, in general, seem to be very good. Although not well documented (a task for another academic researcher's project...hint, hint!), it seems from anecdotal evidence and lack of failure reports that two-tank preheating approach to the use of SVO, is working well on thousands of engines, over a period of several years and into the tens of thousands of kilometers. Coking is the enemy - coking of injectors leads to poor atomisation (poor spray pattern), and positive feedback loop is created, with negative results. Sometimes very negative, over time. SVO users must do all they can to minimize coking potential, on any engine, and yes, even on the venerable up-to-85 Mercs. Two tank heating approaches, especially, in combination with very good filtration, selection of the best oils, etc., seem to accomplish this quite well. Single tank can work, but still needs preheating, etc. etc. Those older Mercedes engines certainly are very capable at burning SVO, but this capability should be capitalized on - not abused! Preheat the oil, and if you have anything less than perfect single tank conditions, use a good two tank system, as well. Minimization of coking potential is critical to long term success in this area. Anyone can run a diesel, and especially the older Mercedes engines on SVO, for a period of time, and have few or no problems IN THE SHORT TERM. It is the MEDIUM to LONG TERM that we all ought to be interested in (and we all ought to be interested in minimizing emissions, not increasing them, along the way!!) I would say that short term is a year, or 15,000 km, or less. Medium term we might say could be 3-4 years and/or 60,000 km range Long term we might use 100,000km and/or 5 years or more - Those are just presented as a rough guideline, but I think a lot of people that have been at this a while would likely agree those are not too bad to use as rules of thumb as to what
Re: [biofuel] roadtripping as a veggie avenger
Hi; Lots of people use SVO instead of or in addition to biodiesel, for this reason, and the 82 Merc is as good as the come for SVO use. See the SVO pages on the Journey to Forever site for a good intro http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Aug 20, 2004, at 9:48 AM, Ashley Loehr wrote: Hey guys, I am fairly new to the list and am about to drive a 1982 Mercedez turbo-diesel wagon from Massachussetts to Nevada. I don't have my own set up for making fuel right now but there is a great supplier nearby that makes fuel for lots of local farms. anyway the point is: I just picked up the car in South Carolina and haven't made the switch, Once I do, I don't think that I will be able to offer the car a steady supply of bio-diesel because my roof rack can't really carry enough for 4,000 miles. so, what do you guys know/think about switching between petrodiesel and bio-diesel, even potentially within the same tank??? thanks a million peace and chicken grease -Ashley Loehr ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New Member
Hi all: We sold a VEG-Therm to Dr. Shrinivasa's group a few years ago (they really got the Honge oil, (also called Pongamia oil) projects going in India), He replied later that they now understood the importance of preheating the oil, so the idea of preheating to prevent coking (they'd had some problems with that prior to the preheating application) applies to that oil as well as to other vegetable oils . Preheat the SVO to around 70C - better combustion and fewer problems in the longer term. http://www.goodnewsindia.com/Pages/content/discovery/honge.html Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Aug 20, 2004, at 8:41 AM, ENVIRONSINDIA wrote: Dear Atul, Thanks for your mail. I will call you sometime for sure. Theres a lot of work going on in the Southern states on producing fuel from Pongamia and I am in touch with some of the people who are at the forefront of this work. If you are interested, get in touch with Mr. Nayeem at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem for me is to identify a low cost process which can produce enough quantity of oil for my usage and for selling to others. The raw material is also not very easy to get, but I am working on it. The bottom line is the cost involved. Stay in touch. i am sure that we can get somewhere. Best regards, Azam On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 atul malhotra wrote : dear Azam i am an amateur researcher and i have some interesting facts abt one plant called Pongamia Pinnata ..very common to south central india and for ages been used as a lighting oil and cure for arthritis and rheumatitis very very recently its been discoverd that its an amazing substitute for diesel ..i have got a sample tested in my 2 kva genset and its ran just fine ...(gave abt 2.5 hrs to a litre) if u wanna discuss more u can call me at 94 174 54735 .or get in touch with ur local forest dept for the seeds..i am sure they have it there best of luck Atul CHANDIGARH --- ENVIRONSINDIA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I have just joined this list and I must say that it is quite amazing! My interest in biofuel is quite recent. I am based in Central India and have a farm of 36 acres where I cultivate aromatic grasses and steam-distill essential oils. I have also planted Castor in about 10 acres this year. The problem here is the very erratic supply of electricity. Since I need to do a lot of irrigating, I have no alternative but to use a generator. I have installed a 8.75 kvA generator for one of my borewells. However, since this contraption guzzles about 2.5 lts. of diesel every hour, it was becoming too expensive to use. So, we converted it to work with LPG and now we can get it to work for about 30 hours in 14 kgs. of LPG. We also need about 4-5 lts. of diesel for the 30 hours to keep the engine lubricated. That still leaves the problem of the tractor. Diesel here is quite expensive, approx US$ 0.60 per lt., and getting dearer by the day. I use about a couple of tousand lts. in the tractor in a year. That's why, biodiesel, if it can be cheaper, is the flavor of the season for me right now!! I have been reading up on the How to sections of the journeytoforever site, but, I must say that I have still not quite gotten hold of the method. One of the problems that i can see straight away is the availability of the SVO, specially the used one. In India, one can't get used VO, cos nobody ever throws anything away. The cooking requirements of Indian food too leave very little oil as left-over. Secondly, oils like groundnut or soyabean, which are the preferred cooking mediums here, are quite expensive to start with, like US$ 1.10 per lt., so unused oil will not make any cheaper diesel. The Government is giving a lot of importance to bio-fuel. A lot is being said and done about using seeds of certain plants, notably Jatropha, to produce biodiesel. However, so far, I have not come across any process which can make this feasible on a small scale. In any case, one has to have the Jatropha seeds to start with and, short of growing the trees yourself, it is difficult for now. Generating gas out of cow-dung is pretty well established and this does run generators and can be used as fuel for gas cookers, but it still leaves the area of tractors uncovered. So, I will be very grateful if all you knowledgeable people out there can come up with ideas to help me out of my predicament and guide me through all the steps in words of one syllable. Looking forward to hearing from you. Azam M. Khan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http
Re: [biofuel] NOX and catalytic converter use
On Aug 19, 2004, at 10:16 AM, Mccall Tom WP US wrote: Current US Diesel has sulfur present as a lube agent, so in diesels you will never get a converter for gasoline engines to work. Unless you use Bio D as the lube agent and eliminate the sulfur. Tom, as I understand it, sulfur (sulphur) does not lubricate. It is the refining process of hydrotreating, to remove naturally occurring sulphur, that has the unfortunate side effect of making diesel fuel less oily. This will be even more pronounced for the severe hydrotreating needed to achieve the ultra low sulphur diesel (ULSD) numbers we need. Rotary injection pumps were designed for the original diesel fuel, which was more oily and more lubricating - they are totally dependent on the fuel for their lubrication!! Fortunately, biodiesel (and Canola-based biodiesel, and other COD (Canola Oil Derivative) formulations, have been found to be especially effective, at very low treat rates...1% or less. These seem to be lower treat rates than those commonly cited as being needed when using soy biodiesel as a lubricity additive (often 2% or more). Canola based additives are available in Canada. See below, a summary of some of the research that was done at University of Saskatchewan: Sulfur compounds have been removed from diesel fuels due to con- cern over exhaust emissions. Unfortunately, the hydrotreating process used to reduce sulfur results in a less oily diesel fuel. This reduced lubricity in some cases may be causing injection pump failures and accelerated engine wear. To help remedy the problem, refiners are using industrial additives in low viscosity Canadian winter fuels. An improved diesel fuel lubricity bench test developed at the University of Saskatchewan was used for this sur- vey. Called the Munson Roller on Cylinder Lubricity Evaluator (M-ROCLE), it is able to measure lubricity with high precision. There is no world standard test to date. The fuels tested in this survey were samples of both winter and sum- mer commercial low sulfur diesel fuel purchased at Saskatoon. The samples were from the five main local diesel fuel suppliers. The lubricity tests were per- formed in October of 1998. A winter, low sulfur diesel fuel without additives was used as a reference. A Lubricity Number of 1.0 was used as a pass/ fail for sufficient lubricity using the M-ROCLE. The diesel fuel additives used in this survey were some of the more com- monly available additives sold in Saskatchewan. A marketed biodiesel fuel additive and two other experimental biodiesel fuel additives were also tested. Significant Findings Only three of the five Saskatoon winter fuels could obtain a Lubricity Number of one. Three of the four summer diesel fuels failed to pro- duce a Lubricity Number of equal to or greater than one. So much emphasis appears to have been placed on the industrial additives for the lubricity of winter diesel fuels that summer diesel fuels may have been overlooked. All of the diesel fuel additives that claimed increased lubricity raised the Lubricity Number of the refer- ence winter diesel fuel (no industrial additives) above the pass/fail value of 1.0. One of the bio-based addi- tives had the best cost effective- ness of all the additives surveyed. The highest lubricity boost came at added cost from an off-the-shelf, commercial diesel fuel additive at its recommended treat rate www.scdc.sk.ca/pdf/fact6diesel.pdf Edward Beggs http://www/biofuels.ca Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO automatic switch
I agree. We developed a reminder buzzer for our systems, just in case people forget to switch *back* at the end of the cycle, but it is not often that people forget to switch over to SVO after startup! They are too anxious to get onto SVO as soon as they can each time they start the engine! Electric heating combined with coolant-operated SVO heating also means one can switch over very quickly after starting the engine - so that also seems to have eliminated the need for automated switching over. It is like starting the engine and turning on the headlights or putting on a seat belt, - just a habit you get into before you leave the driveway. Actually, switching back is about the same, again it is a habit one gets into, a few blocks from home. The buzzer is there now, in case you forget, but it's certainly not needed all the time! Try to keep things as simple as you can, and don't underestimate our best computers...our brains! Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Aug 8, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Martin Klingensmith wrote: Austen wrote: Has anybody developed or found a thermostat type device that would work to install on the fuel line for the SVO conversion that at say 60 C would automatically switch over to SVO, making this conversion more efficient and less driver involved? I would then wire an over ride switch into the cab. Any thoughts? thanks, austen Hi austen, I believe there is not much of a market for it because the people who run SVO currently have the desire to have control over what's going on. Consider it a hobby. It would be a very easy control system. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel grows on trees, free fuel found in backyards...film at 11
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[biofuel] US diesel use increase 5%, gasoline 2%
I read a news article this evening saying that diesel use is growing faster in the USA than gasoline use... 5% for diesel, 2% for gasoline. FWIW, just found that factoid rather interesting. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel car for WVO project
Up to 85, Mercedes 300TD, 7 seater wagon? Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Jul 31, 2004, at 7:47 AM, Paul Niznik wrote: Folks: Looking for suggestions on choosing a diesel vehicle for a two-tank straight WVO project. I don't particularly want a small car, I have a family, and I'm tall. I've been considing a Suburban, if I can find an old deisel version in good shape. Any tech tips and especially motor type suggestions would be helpful. Thanks in advance. Paul N Berlin, CT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biofuels and sustainability
Keith: In reply to your point on sustainability of agriculture for plant oils to be used as fuels, a few thoughts... - organic rapeseed production (folkecenter in Denmark has some good info online on this) -co-cropping (there was a good study done where peas and Camelina Sativa were co-cropped, with good results) -use of inedibles, drought resistant, native species (as in Honge in India, mustard, etc.) - use of nut trees and other perennials instead of annuals These tactics would all help, I think, versus our dependence on just a few crops, and crops that need a lot of fossil inputs to get any kind of yield. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Jul 31, 2004, at 12:21 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello all We've had some interesting posts of news items on new technologies for converting biomass to fuel. They often mention waste biomass, and claim to be sustainable, and I've pointed out that it's not waste and the technology is only sustainable if it's not at the expense of the soil fertility which produces the biomass in the first place, and which cannot be maintained unless crop wastes are recycled to the soil. There are however excellent ways of doing that which can make a little go a very long way, leaving plenty to spare for other purposes such as fuel and energy production. But, first things first. And a lot of people interested in renewable energy just don't see that. One such topic was this: Research shows swine manure can become crude oil http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33476/ Later, someone else said: The comments on non-sustainability appears to be someone else's opinion of why it can't work, without much scientific reasons why not. My reply: My comments (see below). It doesn't imply that the technology itself can't work, it rejects the idea that it's a sustainable technology for producing fuel. What that immediately transfers to is whether or not concentrated pig confinement operations are sustainable. Such operations are not and cannot be sustainable, the evidence against their sustainability is rather vast. If you want to argue with that, the onus would be on you to provide scientific evidence that such operations are sustainable. In the last few weeks I've said all this several times. Here, for instance: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/37060/ Anything into oil! We have to be aware of the context. Biodiesel, any biodiesel? Ethanol, any ethanol? Even if ADM makes it? I don't think so. But it's clean, renewable and cuts greenhouse gas emissions, whoever makes it? Maybe, maybe not. If it comes from WVO, at least you're using a waste resource that otherwise has about a 90% chance of ending up in a landfill or a sewer. Which is also worth thinking about - wars over oil, people getting killed over it, and all this stuff gets wasted? Nobody even knows what happens to most of it, or even how much there is. A bit strange, no? If it's not from WVO then there's a good chance that producing the oilcrop has already increased greenhouse gas emissions, and that it's not renewable or sustainable at all. This is about farming, but it absolutely applies to biofuels production: ... inasmuch as conventional [ie industrialised] agriculture is the main emitter of all leading greenhouse gases, the transition to a more productive and sustainable agriculture that is safe for the environment (and good for the economy) is a logical imperative. More about that in the following post. Note too that all forms of industrialised agriculture are heavily dependent on fossil-fuel inputs - the very resource that biofuels are supposed to be replacing. How much sense does that make? Some, to your bottom line, if you happen to be ADM or their ilk, otherwise none at all. Meanwhile here's some more information on the alleged sustainability of concentrated livestock production with its associated manure lagoons and so on. Best Keith http://www.nrdc.org/water/pollution/cesspools/cessinx.asp NRDC: Cesspools of Shame: How Factory Farm Lagoons and Sprayfields Threaten Environmental and Public Health Cesspools of Shame How Factory Farm Lagoons and Sprayfields Threaten Environmental and Public Health This July 2001 report from NRDC and the Clean Water Network documents how animal waste from factory farms threatens human health and our nation's rivers. Most factory farms store animal waste in open lagoons as large as several football fields. Lagoons routinely burst, sending millions of gallons of manure into waterways and spreading microbes that can cause gastroenteritis, fevers, kidney failure, and death. This report lists the track records of the largest polluters and recommends existing technology that is safer and more sustainable. OVERVIEW QUICK REFERENCE Press Release http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressReleases/010724.asp Brief summary http://www.nrdc.org/water/pollution/nspills.asp Quick facts http
Re: [biofuel] What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
It will not be worthwhile. Sell it and get a diesel vehicle. Edward Beggs On Jul 17, 2004, at 7:48 AM, Joshua wrote: Hello, A good friend of mine has a 1987 GMC school bus with a gasoline engine. This bus is wonderful, but runs gas and gets about 5 miles per gallon. This is quite obviously unacceptable, and we are not in a position to brew enough alcohol to run the beast! The only other option would be a put a diesel engine in it, and I was wondering if anyone knows what diesel engine we could get that would (relatively) easily fit in that chassis. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated. Love and Light! Joshua Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO filtering
It is not necessary to prefilter new food grade oil from the market. On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This question is probably a repeat, however, I haven't found the answer. If I'm driving on straight veggie oil and I run low . can I simply stop at a market and buy new oil and dump it into the tank or should new be pre-filtered to 5 microns too? Thanks Jon Burlington, Vermont A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: the SolWest Fair program is posted on the web
FYI: Bring your SVO car to the SVO car meet! Begin forwarded message: From: Jennifer Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed Jun 9, 2004 9:24:52 AM America/Vancouver To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: the SolWest Fair program is posted on the web Hello friends, The SolWest 2004 fair program has been posted on the web at http://www.solwest.org/fair.htm. You'll find a complete listing of events, exhibitors and workshops. We hope you will enjoy all the features we've scheduled for you this year! If you'd like a printed copy of the fair program in the mail, we need to have your mailing address verified this year (if you've already done so, or you are receiving our newsletters, you don't need to do so again). Thank you! See you at SolWest! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* SolWest / EORenew Eastern Oregon Renewable Energies Non-profit PO Box 485 Canyon City OR 97820 541-575-3633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.solwest.org PLease let us know if you don't like these reminders. We hand-process all requests, and do not share. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] filtering the stuff
There is a device made just for this called the Wand...a collection and pre-filtering tool with 70 micron prefilter. On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 12:26 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Ross i have an 83 MB diesel. last week i filtered 15 gallons of fuel oil. Fuel oil? What's that? i filtered through a wire mesh filter and some nylon. about 10 miles into the tank my primary filter clogged up. how do you filter. what micron size does nylons filter to? i appreciate any ideas. thanks, Ross outside Chicago You could try this stuff: Vegetable oil filter cones are made of Pelon, a generic term which can be cotton fiber but is more often synthetic, the longer-lived usually being synthetic. It can include adhesive versions of both (fusible pelon). Both cotton and synthetic Pelon run between 1.5 and 1.75 ounce for filters. Standard Pelon is usually 1.25 ounce. The thicker Pelons can be found in any upholstery supply warehouse in 48 or 96 bolts. -- Todd Swearingen, Appal Energy. See also: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35321/ Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Testing iodine value? Degumming?
http://koal.cop.fi/iodine.htm http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine http://www.folkecenter.dk/plant-oil/images/RK-standard-UK.gif http://ss.jircas.affrc.go.jp/engpage/jarq/33-2/Togashi/togashi.html Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 07:38 PM, mike71ghia wrote: I'm a bit of a newbie on the subject, I tried to search the messages for iodine but aparently none in the subject line. I have read a good amount and am weighing out a lot of factors before playing with this idea. Could someone give me a link or explain what the iodine value of the fuel relates to? I can't recall if this refers to svo or to processed fuel. Also as far as svo goes how exactly would one go about degumming svo? I understand this is one of the major factors that could stick rings and cause varnish deposits. If I recall correctly this applies to only some sources of oil type. Thanks for the info, mike Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] proper storage of used cooking oil to make it last longest possible
Kept cool and in the dark, filled to the top (as close as you can) and sealed, it could last months without a problem - but it's still best to store for as short a period as possible. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 02:38 PM, TJ Ferreira wrote: While I start buying the parts to build my $150 Fumeless Processor, I wonder what the best way to store any used cooking oil that I pick up from local restaurants and how long it should last to be useable for biodiesel. So far I only picked up a test 5 gallon sample but have a couple other restaurants lined up to allow me to get used oil from them. My current 5 gallon container is in a cardboard box surrounding a plastic internal jug. I filled most of the way up but still is some room up at top. I placed a sandwich baggie over the top fill hole with a rubber band to keep stuff out. I then placed in my shed. Is this OK or will the oil go bad quickly? Are we talking about months or days for the oil to go bad? I just want to start collecting it while I can and am building the processor so when it is done, I am ready to go. If there is a better way to store it, let me know. Thanks Thomas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Solwest Renewable Energy Fair / SVO meet - John Day, Oregon, USA
SOLWEST RENEWABLE ENERGY FAIR HOSTS VEGETABLE OIL VEHICLE MEET SolWest Renewable Energy Fair, July 23, 24 and 25 in John Day, Oregon, will host a meet of SVO (straight vegetable oil-fueled) vehicles. Owners from around the Western US and Canada will compare notes on how systems are built, components and durability, type and pre-treatment of fuel oil. Cars will display data such as how many miles or months on vegoil and the type of vehicle/engine converted. Discussions will include pros and cons of various systems on the market and homebuilt systems, best practices, and next steps. A demonstration with a cold press will show how to make new oil on the farm by pressing seed into oil, and presscake pellets. The presscake pellets co-product can be used as organic fertilizer, or as a replacement for methyl bromide pesticide (if made from mustard seed), animal feed (if made from canola or sunflower), or solid fuel for pellet stoves. The meet will generate lots of tech talk, emissions talk, and energy politics. Anyone who brings an alternatively-fueled vehicle to SolWest Fair will get a weekend pass for the price of a day pass. SolWest keynote speaker John Perlin is the author of A Golden Thread: 2500 Years of Solar Architecture and Technology with Ken Butti. His most recent book, From Space to Earth: The Story of Solar Electricity is a must read for anyone interested in the subject of clean energy (Home Power Magazine). As a modern Renaissance Man, with an interest in everything, John brings a historical perspective to todays energy dilemmas. John will speak at 12:30 P.M. Saturday July 24 in the Sale Barn at the Grant County Fairgrounds. SolWest 2004 is one of only a few locations in the US to host the Bell Cell golden anniversary exhibit, created by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), in consultation with solar expert John Perlin. On April 25, 1954, Bell Labs announced that three of its scientists (including two educated in Oregon) had invented the silicon solar cell. This is the solar cell that first made space travel possible, then created electricity for remote homes, and now is being used by utility customers for distributed generation on the power grid. SolWest Renewable Energy Fair is the most comprehensive such event in the northwest. Experts from all over the western US will offer fifty workshops for all ages and levels of expertise on renewable energy and sustainable living topics (free with fair admission). Some of the workshops scheduled for this year include Photovoltaics for the Technically Challenged, Solar Water Pumping, Fundamentals of Hydroelectric Power, Bio-fuels, Passive Solar Design, Green Remodeling, Solar Hot Water, Pizza Box Ovens For Kids, and The ABC's of grid-connected solar systems. Special guest Carla Emery will speak on the History and Principles of the Modern Homesteading Movement during the free fair entry period from 5-7PM on Friday July 23rd. About two thousand people visit SolWest each year to learn about and purchase complete solar power systems and components, solar hot water systems, solar pumps and wind-driven pumps, pump controls, hydro systems suitable for the smallest springs to large streams, solar roofing and home plans, home-scale wind generators, efficient lighting and appliances, books and magazines, biodiesel processors and fuels, and much more. Activities during the weekend include Electrathon mini-electric car racing, and a Silent Auction of renewable energy hardware and other donated goods. Childcare and childrens workshops will be offered. Radio SolWest will be broadcasting from the fairgrounds on solar power. Camping is available, and volunteers get in and camp free. Extended learning opportunities at this years SolWest Fair include a pre-fair solar hot water installation workshop instructed by Doug Railton and John McIntosh of Cascade Sun Works. The SolWest Fair program is posted on the web at www.solwest.org, or a paper copy can be requested at: SolWest/EORenew, PO Box 485, Canyon City OR 97820. 541-575-3633 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.solwest.org for further information. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Straight WVO
Get those valves adjusted by someone familiar with Mercedes. It's supposed to be done regularly. It's not too difficult or too expensive and may even out the compression if it has not been neglected too long. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Friday, May 21, 2004, at 05:10 PM, Busyditch wrote: )...one of my cylinders has lower compression (240 vs. 310), mechanic said valves were very tight, might be carbon on valve seats. (I think I still got a bargain for $860 on eBay) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Straight WVO
4) source for six port solenoid or manual valve. (tank switch) 5) schematic for variable time delay shut down solenoid controller. This is for an unsupervised clean fuel shut-down burn. On Friday, May 21, 2004, at 05:10 PM, Busyditch wrote: 4) source for six port solenoid or manual valve. (tank switch) See: http://www.biofuels.ca motorized 6 port, with switch and wiring, and also comes with a reminder buzzer in case you forget to switch back to diesel at the end of the day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO and Vehicle Navigation Systems
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Fwd: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Apologies to the list for not snipping that last! Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca Begin forwarded message: From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri May 14, 2004 10:00:30 AM America/Vancouver To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO? Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com On Thursday, May 13, 2004, at 07:13 PM, Bruce Colley wrote: Ed- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
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Re: [biofuel] food production
Good question: we'd think it's quite high, but there's also a lot of urban food production going on, small scale, but lots of it, and a major contributor to food supply in many large cities of the world, I think I read somewhere, maybe here on the list, actually. With emerging megacities, that's important. a good resource on that end of it, the urban agriculture aspect, might be: www.cityfarmer.org Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca here's a resource on the urban agriculture end of things On Friday, May 14, 2004, at 05:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an idea of the percentage of world wide food production that is dependent on oil and gas? James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Thanks, Bruce. Was that single tank or two-tank? Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Wednesday, May 12, 2004, at 11:15 PM, Bruce Colley wrote: Alexander Noack, senior engineer at Elsbett, recently told me that they disassembled his Jetta TDI engine after 300,000 km (186,000 mi.) with the following results: -No detectible cylinder wear -No injector coking -Overall excellent condition I think that this speaks to the validity of the Elsbett system: Electric preheater, fuel-coolant heat exchanger, modification of injectors, upgrading of glow plugs, and modification of engine computer control settings. If an engine/injector pump doesn't lend itself to viable conversion, then they don't attempt to convert it. If they do, then they engineer and test the system to verify proper operation. So far, I am impressed by my Elsbett Jetta TDI conversion, but it is quite recent and I haven't gone through the winter yet. Bruce Colley Sustainable Energy Project www.sustainableenergyproject.org - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO? Tom: First, I will say that we have always stated that WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) or new plant oil conversion systems are to be considered experimental and do not have millions of miles of testing that biodiesel has had, at least not yet. The interest and the funding shifted to biodiesel early on, it seems, after the tests in the early 80's, which went more or less along the lines of: 1.Fill tank of then-current technology direct injection engine with sunflower or soy oil (most often, it seems) and see what happens. 2. Wait for a high incidence of failures. 3. Write the report: does not work very well or for very long. I have no doubt that the researchers were sincere and reported accurately, but at least in the studies from that era that I have read there were some common themes which are not reflective of the way things are done now which are thought to improve the results. Notably: - there never seems to be mention of preheating the vegetable oil, to reduce viscosity and thus make it easier on the lift pump, injection pump, and also improve atomisaiton. That's the single biggest change, which seems to improve results. - the oils chosen were often less than ideal. According to the information I have, oils such as Canola/rapeseed/mustard, coconut, high oleic sunflower (recent) might have yielded better results. - the engines were often older type direct injection engines that did not have the sort of (with variations, of course) two-stage (pilot injection) high pressure, computer controlled systems we have today, nor the sort of combustion chamber designs that exist today. They were of course also not indirect injection engines (which many say will give better results on plant oils than direct injection). There have been quite successes in the use of indirect injection engines. - there was no mention made of using two tanks, for easier starting, operation of the engine on lighter fuel (diesel or biodiesel) until it was hot, and no purge cycle, again on the lighter and more combustible fuel, before shutdown. - also there is no mention of use of techniques such as blends of plant oils with solvents and cosolvents, in combination with preheating, as was done in some of the more recent, and very successful, trials of the ACREVO study, which is on our web site (blending 9% ethanol into rapeseed oil, preheating to 80C, and use in a small displacement direct injection engine yielded very good results) Regarding Shaine Tyson's comments, I am not sure how recent the study is that is mentioned, but if recent, then perhaps to put in proper context, I'd ask this: - were there a lot of premature failures documented, or is it just that these are mostly relatively recent conversions (most SVO conversions and kits having been done only since 2000 or so) and so the miles have not been accumulated yet, and there is insufficient data to come to any conclusion about the effectiveness of the use of, in particular, preheating and two-tank systems, for DI and IDI engines? If there was a high incidence of failures, were the causes examined? What were the failures modes? What would they be attributed to? If examined, were solutions sought? RE: my list - I don't *have* a list - that's the point - we need one at this point in time. And, BTW, dozens of examples would be a decent start, but not enough to really show anything. It'd be a start, though, if we did have a good list of at least that, a few dozen examples of SVO high-milers. That's what
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Ok, thanks again -yes, it's likely that Alex does use only new oil, I believe that is what is recommended for that system, and it would be affordable in Germany especially for him to do so, and they do have it in bulk, for sale, at their location (and SVO is for sale at quite a few other bulk locations and pumps in Germany) ...it's not taxed as fuel, considered to be the same benefits, more or less as biodiesel, whereas petrodiesel is heavily taxed, so of the three new oil (SVO) is the cheapest (and maybe overall, also the least subsidized?!) In Canada and the USA, of course, new oil is still more money than diesel fuel, but actually the gap is closing, so perhaps it's possible for more people to start looking at greater use of new, cold pressed oils (not soy) here, or perhaps at least looking at a blend of new oil (Costco Canola, or Sunflower) and good WVO, as a cost-effective and technically better option than just using WVO. If it's affordable, do it, I would have to say, and especially if your best local option for WVO, after really checking around, is still not so good. Blending with new oil will thin the WVO, and the cold pressed is nice - also the new food grade oil (not cold pressed) maybe has a few advantages, as well. It has after all been degummed, bleached, deodorized, winterized - the Wonder Bread of cooking oils...Not so tasty, but good for a fryer and pretty good stuff for blending with WVO, IMHO, for reduced viscosity, FFA compensation/correction to closer to neutral pH, etc. New cold pressed high oleic sunflower and WVO, 50/50, would be good. Also it would be good to see more happening with Camelina Sativa (false flax, pleasure-of-gold), since it can be grown in the same field at the same time as other crops (peas for example) eliminating the use of herbicide via it's shading/weed suppression between rows, and you can get the same yield of peas as always, produce both oil energy crop and field crop, and get a light oil suitable for blending and helpful in cold weather. And BTW, the level of sophistication and engineering that you mentioned is proportionate to the type of conversion: - extended time glow plugs would be single tank, yes. Not needed for two-tank. - injector modifications and rechipping or other modification of the fuel injection computer would be needed in some instances, not in others. What *is* needed for all conversions, we feel, and what we provide with our kits, is a very large filter area, for long filter element life, and cost effectively done, *even when* using WVO that has not been pre-filtered Also, for the WVO, a water separator is a very good idea, of course (integrated into the onboard fuel processor is even better, since it's then compact and easily installed - that's what we provide) - a robust, solid state electric heater with enough output to effectively heat the oil to ~ 70C; - a coolant-heated SVO filter; - larger fuel line for the SVO (we now use 1/2 insulhose on all kits, to provide unrestricted flow in all cases), OPTIONALLY, , an extra inline electric heater, a tank heater (electric pad, 12V or 120V, or coolant operated, like our Hotstk); - full-heated-path SVO line, and so on. The requirements for the optional items vary with the application. How well single tank systems will work depends on the level of conversion done, the options used, the oil used, the climate, and the engine type. We are doing some single tank systems, just looking into doing single tank TDi, especially in California and other places where the climate and the availability of good liquid WVO or flush oil from the large food oil processors will support that application. The warm climate will help you next winter, Bruce, but I think it's going to be important to realize the need for oil that will stay liquid and combust easily with that system. It's not the same at all, trying to start an engine on a nice light new oil, versus some partly hydrogenated WVO...the degree of degradation will be even more important to be aware of. keep us all posted, and let us know when you've topped Alex's numbers! cheers, Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Thursday, May 13, 2004, at 09:51 AM, Bruce Colley wrote: Ed- It is a single tank system. I believe that he uses only rapeseed oil, and no WVO. Bruce Colley, Sustainable Energy Project www.sustainableenergyproject.org - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO? Thanks, Bruce. Was that single tank or two-tank? Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Wednesday, May 12, 2004, at 11:15 PM, Bruce Colley wrote: Alexander Noack, senior engineer at Elsbett, recently told me that they disassembled his Jetta TDI engine after
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
), then find out what it is. If there are still, after doing those things, problem areas, identify them, see what can be done about them, or might be, or identify the knowledge gaps. You know, SVO has been written into the European Union rules as an acceptable alternative fuel, alongside many others, including biodiesel. An original Elsbett engine in a Mercedes has recently, it is reported, gone over one million (!!) kilometers on vegetable oil. That's was a direct injection engine, and it is also said that much of the technology used in that engine's injector and combustion chamber design found its way into the TDI many years later! RE: the rumours of horrors of TDI conversionI am not sure what you refer to here, I have not heard much of this. I do know that the TDI runs cool, does not generate a lot of waste heat, and so if run under light loads on poorly heated oil, that could be a problem. I have been told they have a tendency to coke up, even on diesel fuel - at least that's what my VW-dealer-mechanic friend told me, and I suspect that would be worse if they are run under light loads or in the city a lot. So, the preheating, electric preheating, and two tank (on diesel or biodiesel until the engine gets hotter), would help in that, I would think. Regards, Edward Beggs On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, at 04:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed- I think I should step gingerly here, I know you promote WVO conversion systems. However, I refer to Shaine Tyson, late of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory who gave a talk in Connecticut last year, stating that in all of the national research, only one truck was found that had lasted 150,000 miles on SVO. How does this square with your list? Are you starting out with dozens of examples, or is it a short list? Something funny happen over 100,000 and under 150,000, or is this technology particularly hard on direct injection engines? We want to know the real value of this technology. Are the rumors about the horrors of TDI conversions true? Why, what goes wrong? Tom Leue In a message dated 5/11/04 2:10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I often get asked how many engines, specifically modern direct injection engines, I know of, that have gone more than the magic number (for some reason) of 100,000 miles (yes, miles, not kilometers, please...so, let's say over 160,000 km) I know I could spend hours scouring the databases, such as they exist, translating from German sites, etc. etc...but if anyone needs a good research project for academic work, this is one!! Or, if you just want to send me notice of examples of such that you are aware of, please do! Please exclude old Mercedes.I know there are lots of those that have gone that far...I am looking for TDI's, modern trucks, equivalent hours on gensets or tractors (let's see...1600 hours at 100 km/hok, let's say over 1600 hours),Ê etc. I'll compile these as they come in, unless someone out there can set up a self-admin database for us, which would be a heck of a lot easier, and more accessible for all The SVO 100,000 Mile Club Database.anyone up for doing that? We can host it on our server space if need be, I think. Spread the word? Help get it going? Thank you! Edward Beggs - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Hi all, I often get asked how many engines, specifically modern direct injection engines, I know of, that have gone more than the magic number (for some reason) of 100,000 miles (yes, miles, not kilometers, please...so, let's say over 160,000 km) I know I could spend hours scouring the databases, such as they exist, translating from German sites, etc. etc...but if anyone needs a good research project for academic work, this is one!! Or, if you just want to send me notice of examples of such that you are aware of, please do! Please exclude old Mercedes.I know there are lots of those that have gone that far...I am looking for TDI's, modern trucks, equivalent hours on gensets or tractors (let's see...1600 hours at 100 km/hok, let's say over 1600 hours), etc. I'll compile these as they come in, unless someone out there can set up a self-admin database for us, which would be a heck of a lot easier, and more accessible for all The SVO 100,000 Mile Club Database.anyone up for doing that? We can host it on our server space if need be, I think. Spread the word? Help get it going? Thank you! Edward Beggs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday
True. Also true for SVO. biodiesel/SVO owners can add these if they wish to reduce emissions even further. ...just don't run any North American diesel in it if so fitted!! You could also conceivably add particle traps, since the particulate emissions are usually reduced 30-50%. Edward Beggs On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 07:35 PM, Andrew Lowe wrote: Does my memory serve me correctly in that one of the advertised benefits of biodiesel is that it contains no sulphur hence diesels can be fitted with catalytic converters? The reason they aren't already is that the sulphur poisons the converter. If this is the case then won't the new requirements actually be good for biodiesel, assuming the engine companies do fit the catalytic converters? Regards, Andrew Lowe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Help
http://www.davisdieseldevelopment.com/home.htm On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 08:25 AM, Jeffrey Kumjian wrote: How do you run a model Aircraft engine on Biodiesel? Jeffrey Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: smartcar
Ships with massive Enduro go kart tanks, a 24 lift kit, 33 tires... and loaded with 3 tons of biodiesel. You never have to buy fuel, for the life of the car, and they get the writeoff. And the most amazing part is, the more you drive it, the better the acceleration and fuel economy become...well, up a pointbut when it finally runs out of fuel, you just go and get a new one. ;-) On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 11:47 PM, Ryan Morgan wrote: I wonder, will Smart make the little SUV (Smart Urban Vehicle?) weigh in at 6,000 lbs to qualify for the tax write-off? ;) Ryan -Original Message- From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:38 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: smartcar RE: name...Maybe SUV Sport Utlity Vehicle is a name that needs reclamation anyway...the ones out there now are neither sporty nor utilitarian. Edward Beggs On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 07:51 PM, Brian wrote: Smart does have plans to start marketing in the US in 2006. They are designing an SUV for our market, and not planning to market the fortwo here. Isn't Smart SUV an oxymoron? I'm thinking that the name of the company says it all when it comes to why they're not selling in the US. No market for such a product here. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2004 17:11:34 -0500, you wrote: Murdoch, Isn't this partly an issue of Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel not being commonly available here, yet, the way it is in Europe? If the fuel appropriate to how they designed the engine were common, wouldn't they be more inclined to sell the vehicle here? I'm not familiar with the fuel requirements of the Lupo. However, ULSD is only a few years away in the US, market wide. Todd Swearingen I think, by one measure, a few years is probably not that much time. A refinery engineer, looking at the costs or difficulties, might have a thing or two to tell us about this. But at the same time, I think this few years has been part of why we haven't seen the advent of such cars as the LUPO or many other affordable promising mileage-oriented excellent New-Diesel- Technology vehicles in the U.S. It could even be used as a pretext to prevent (for awhile) admitting the Smart Car. Apparently, though, the diesel fuel in Canada won't take the engine out of warranty, so I don't know about that. As I mentioned, with respect to the Smart Car, I think we should anticipate that devilish pretexts will be used to delay or prevent admission of something as promising looking as the Smart Car. If I'm wrong, then I will be the happiest about this. I am just erring on the side of assuming that the opposition (for want of a better way to put a face to a name) will not discontinue operations because we've finally found a promising alternative. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT --- - -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http
Re: [biofuel] smartcar
If Mercedes can import a diesel Smart, and VW can import a diesel Jetta, Golf, Passat, and Touareg, (sp?)... then you can make a Lupo work, I'd think. Just take off the catalytic converterfor now, until the fuel gets better here. I think it has more to do with the VW no longer the people's car mentality - they want to be known here as luxury or something - good quality is not good enough for them any more. (I guess selling replacement molded coolant hoses, the ones you can't get from anyone else, at prices that ought to make them ashamed of themselves, to people who just want their great older VW's to be reliable, was not yet enough profit for them..they have to sell only the expensive of the newer models here, on top of it!!) On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 02:18 PM, murdoch wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2004 15:27:50 -0500, you wrote: Ed, I just spoke to a VW sales person a few moments ago while pricing out a rebuilt manual transmission for my '86 Golf. He stated that the Lupo isn't on the horizon for import into the US. Isn't this partly an issue of Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel not being commonly available here, yet, the way it is in Europe? If the fuel appropriate to how they designed the engine were common, wouldn't they be more inclined to sell the vehicle here? Well, maybe so. But I have this distinct feeling that the horizon is looming closer and closer with every barrel of oil purchased at $37 plus and maybe more of a fast track after November 11th. Todd Swearingen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] smartcar
They're taking orders now - in the thousands already. Anyone that is thinking about it better go and do it now, not expect to walk in the showroom in September and get one with the large jump in fuel prices here a few days ago, I bet they can't write orders up fast enough. On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 06:32 AM, hamiltonjohndavid wrote: Check it out. The smart mini car from Europe will be available in Canada this fall. 3cyl TurboDiesel, 80Mpg, 16-20g $Cdn in Coupe or Convertible. I want one! http://www.thesmart.ca http://autos.en.msn.ca/advice/standardart.aspx?contentid=4022311src= homepos=editlead Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] smartcar
Good for you! :-) Now, can we get a Vormax in there and still carry a passenger?? ;-) Edward Beggs On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 08:38 AM, alex wrote: Yes, was just talking to them - got into the waiting list. Alex Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: They're taking orders now - in the thousands already. Anyone that is Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] smartcar
Let's hope so! VW, where's the Lupo??? Are you paying attention All carmakerswhat was that about modern, small diesels not selling in North America? WAKE UP!! Mercedes did. On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 07:44 AM, jkolling wrote: Also check out the Smart Forfour and the Smart Roadster. This is the normal smart, and the forfour and the roadster are even better in my opinion. Maybe Canada can import those too? ;) hamiltonjohndavid wrote: Check it out. The smart mini car from Europe will be available in Canada this fall. 3cyl TurboDiesel, 80Mpg, 16-20g $Cdn in Coupe or Convertible. I want one! http://www.thesmart.ca http://autos.en.msn.ca/advice/standardart.aspx?contentid=4022311src= http://autos.en.msn.ca/advice/ standardart.aspx?contentid=4022311src= homepos=editlead Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] smartcar
I think it's pretty much a sure thing it will be coming to the US next year isn't it? And the SUV version first? On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 10:49 AM, murdoch wrote: I've driven a version of this equipped with exotic batteries instead of an engine. One thing is that they're warm batteries. Top speed in that particular version was 75 mph, more-than-peppy acceleration don't quite recall the range. I doubt they'll being making those available any time soon (I doubt that I would... one battle at a time, I think, and they will have a battle to bring the car to the U.S. at all). But it was fun to drive, for sure. On Thu, 6 May 2004 11:46:48 -0500, you wrote: 67 mpg combined city and highway. Side and front airbags. ABS. $16,000 Canadian for the base model. $11,610 US if my currency exchange is correct. Wings, airlerons, elevators and propeller are extra. - Original Message - From: hamiltonjohndavid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: [biofuel] smartcar Check it out. The smart mini car from Europe will be available in Canada this fall. 3cyl TurboDiesel, 80Mpg, 16-20g $Cdn in Coupe or Convertible. I want one! http://www.thesmart.ca http://autos.en.msn.ca/advice/standardart.aspx?contentid=4022311src= homepos=editlead Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Wealth of Nature
Hi Keith: Yes, Daly devotes an entire Chapter to Georgescu-Roegen's contributions, pioneering work in the field. As for Adam Smith, I remember thinking, upon a quick look at some of the things he actually wrote, how he'd be spinning in his grave at the way his name is associated with some very ugly ideas that have grown much too large in our present day society. Edward Beggs On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Wealth of Nature
Herman Daly's book Beyond Growth was required reading in the program I was in a few years ago, for the course in Ecological Economics (not your typical course or program!, especially in '99). It's very interesting reading..my copy kept me up late making copious notes in the margins! A real eye-opener. And, despite what we may think, Adam Smith did have a fairly strong notion of the need to maintain the social fabric of society - more than he's given credit for. Too much selective quoting, and quoting out of context going on with his stuff, too often, I think... Edward Beggs On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 02:30 PM, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.gristmagazine.com/maindish/harrisintro040803.asp The Wealth of Nature A three-part series profiling ecological economists by Lissa Harris 08 Apr 2003 In 1776, the year the Scottish economist Adam Smith invented free-market economics with his book The Wealth of Nations, the total population of the globe was less than 700 million people. The coal-hauling locomotives and steamships that were to drive the Industrial Revolution were still 30 years off. Free-market economic theory grew and flourished in an era of abundant natural resources, in which the commodities that were the most rare -- and thus the most precious -- were the products of human technology. Nature was so bountiful that economists could afford to leave her out of their calculations. Fast-forward to 2003. The world's population has increased nearly tenfold. We are awash in technology, but our natural resources are rapidly dwindling. No longer can we rely on the infinite bounty of nature to provide healthy soil, clean air, and potable water. Yet even as the value of the environment to society becomes more and more apparent, so also does the inability of markets to recognize that value. And it's easy to see why. Compared to pork bellies and Palm Pilots, most goods and services provided by the environment are peculiar and ill-behaved: They don't respect property rights, they may take millennia to turn a profit, they benefit those who pay for them and those who don't alike. Neoclassical economists -- the intellectual scions of Adam Smith -- have generally been content to treat the environment as a particularly vexing sector of the overall economy, developing a group of theories collectively known as environmental economics to sort out the thorny problems presented by goods that don't fit the market mold. But recently, a group of mavericks known as ecological economists have begun to hammer out a new paradigm that stands economic theory on its head. Rather than the environment being a subset of the economy, they argue, the market is a subset of the global environment, and all the goods and services we trade ultimately depend on natural resources and processes. Ecological economists, while still personae non gratae in most university economics departments and major economic policy-setting institutions, are slowly gaining in influence, both in academia and among the general public. In a special series, we profile three practitioners of the new science: * Robert Costanza, director of the Gund Institute for Ecological Economics and the man who became famous for putting a price tag on the biosphere. In 1997, Costanza was lead author of a paper that declared the value of the services provided by the world's ecosystems to be almost twice that of the combined GNPs of all the nations of the world. The study made international news, prompting headlines like How Much is Nature Worth? For You, $33 Trillion. * Joshua Farley, a researcher at the Gund Institute for Ecological Economics, and a staunch crusader for the new paradigm. In 1996, Farley prized a doctorate in economics from the clutches of a committee of old-guard economists. Now he is making it his mission to literally rewrite the book for the next generation, coauthoring (with Herman Daly) the first textbook in ecological economics. * Herman Daly, the founding father and reigning guru of ecological economics. A former insider at the World Bank who is now one of its sharpest critics, Daly is the co-founder of the journal Ecological Economics and author of over 100 books and articles, including Steady-State Economics and Beyond Growth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL
Re: [biofuel] SVO and Vehicle Navigation Systems
Sounds sort of coolon the other hand, we did finally just add a buzzer (well, VW circuit is mapped out, still have to do some of the others) so that it buzzes if you shut the key off, but forgot to purge the SVO before parking overnight. It's really not that big a deal, this. It's like remembering to shut off your headlights, or remembering to lock the house door, etc. once you get in the habit, you just sort of do it automatically when you get close to home (purge). You will rarely forget to turn it onto SVO...there's an incentive plan, you see. But, sometimes we all can forget to do the purge thing once in a while, so the buzzer will eliminate that problem at least to the extent you don't come out to the car that was left on SVO in the morning, and it won't start and you need to plug it in (block heater) for 15 minutes, or pour some hot water over the injection pump (both of which will get them going, BTW) And, SVO/WVO is not really for the masses yet anyway..if the masses all start using SVO, we'll need to get that algae oil happening real quick, break out the Smart cars, and build our neighborhoods, go to work, and do our shopping radically differently ...none of which I'd object to of course, but we might have to actually *change the way we live* if a lot of people decided to go this wayhorrors!! ;-) Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 11:36 AM, Ryan Morgan wrote: Here's a brain storm for you: I work in GIS, for those of you who aren't yet familiar with that, it stands for Geographic Information Systems. Essentially I make maps and use things like aerial photography and GPS to do so. Hanging out at my local map store on a Friday evening (what a dork) I got to talking with another mapper about his VW TDI and biodiesel. He wasn't too clear on what biodiesel was (he thought it was just filtered SVO) so I started explaining how SVO required two tanks and a switch. I told him how the driver had to start on dino/biodiesel, switch to SVO, and then remember to switch it back before turning the motor off. We both agreed that this was too much to remember for the driving masses, and bingo! It hit me. Why not hook the switch to an in-vehicle navigation system? Believe it or not, this would not be difficult to do. The driver gets in the vehicle, sets a route, and the car knows when it's a quarter mile away from it's destination and switches back to dino/biodiesel automatically. What do you think? Cheers, Ryan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: article on Biofuel Oasis in Oakland Tribune
Hi Keith, thanks for forwarding it SaraHope and Jennifer are the two owners of the Biofuel Oasis, so that'd be SaraHope writing (Hopecreations) http://www.biofueloasis.com/ Edward Beggs On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 07:21 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Lots of cc'ing going on here... Anyway, I was sent this, which also went to various other people. hopecreations, whoever that might be, is not a list member, so I'm fwding it. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Jetta/Prius
See article below comparing the TDI with the Prius As my friend Sam Goldberg, who has opened the first biodiesel station in Canada (near Toronto), using B20 from Topia Energy in Sudbury, says: ...add biodiesel, and it's even better!! ...to which I'd also add, of course... and/or SVO! Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca Apr. 24, 2004. 01:00AM Prius is greener, Jetta's more fun Both are equally frugal and utterly different Prius great for city life, Jetta best for highways PETER BLEAKNEY SPECIAL TO THE STAR Nearly 40 per cent of passenger vehicles sold in Europe are diesel powered. Do they know something we don't? I booked a 2004 VW Jetta TDI the week before my stint with the Toyota Prius hybrid with the intent of comparing these fuel sippers back to back. Two vehicles with divergent technologies in pursuit of one goal: reduced fuel consumption and emissions. Volkswagen has tweaked its 1.9 L turbo diesel for 2004 with a new high-pressure pump injection system (Pumpe Duse). The claimed result is lower combustion noise, better efficiency and cleaner emissions. Output is 100 hp at 4,000 rpm and 177 lb.-ft. of torque from 1,800 to 2,400 rpm. The Prius is motivated by the fascinating high-tech union of a 1.5 L 76 hp four-cylinder gasoline engine, a 50 kilowatt (67 hp) electric motor, a raft of nickel-metal hydride batteries and a continuously variable transmission. Just so you don't skip to the end of the article, I'll spill the beans now. Over a week of essentially identical driving (a mix of city and highway) in each vehicle, the most miserly motorcar was ... well, it was a tie. They both turned in an impressive 6.1 L/100 km. If you look at this in purely economic terms, one could argue the boxy Jetta beats the space-age Prius at its own game. Factor in the cheaper cost of diesel fuel and the difference in vehicle price (TDI: $26,080; Prius: $29,990), and the VW saves the most green. Similar fuel economy aside, these cars are about alike as chalk and cheese. The Jetta blends into the automotive landscape unnoticed, while the swoopy Prius never fails to attract attention. They are also very different in the way they go about their business. The Prius is best puttering around town. Its near silent operation at lower speeds and airy cabin make it an enjoyable runabout. Rear seat accommodation is limo-like and the hatch adds a healthy dose of utility. It is very well equipped and sufficiently zippy, too. The Economy Monitor on the LCD screen is highly entertaining (perhaps too much so) as various flashing arrows show the direction of power flow between the drivetrain elements. The biggest problem I had with the Prius was its directional stability on the highway. Any lateral force crosswinds, passing trucks, lane changes, low flying geese had it squirming on its contact patches and going places I didn't want it to. The somewhat numb steering didn't help. This tester's Toyo snow tires may have been to blame. The Jetta TDI, on the other hand, is a champion on the highway. It is stable, comfortable and serene, showing 2,500 rpm at 120 km/h. With 177 lb.-ft. of torque under foot, brisk top gear acceleration is just a Reebok tip away. Around town, the Jetta has a few liabilities. The odd whiff of diesel smoke will tickle your nose, the engine sounds like a blender full of marbles on a cold morning, and acceleration in the lower gears is a bit gravely. That said, the inherent goodness of the Jetta still stands up, namely the solid platform, beautifully executed interior, comfortable seats, a subtle ride and the fluid harmony of all major controls. Call it that intangible Germaness if you like. This would be the first car I'd pick for a cross-country jaunt. Compared to the near invisible VW, the Prius in all its aero-greeness makes quite a statement. Drive this and the world knows you are an informed, concerned and intelligent human who's not afraid to spend a few extra bucks to help out Mother Earth. And, yes, it is greener than the Jetta. The TDI does meet current emission regulations, but there are issues with diesel engines, namely the particulates (soot) and NOx (nitrogen oxide) emissions that will be challenging for diesel manufacturers who face tougher standards in 2007. By then, low-sulphur fuel will allow for particulate filters and NOx-reducing catalytic converters, which should keep diesels in the game. So what's a greenie supposed to do? For those focusing on the bigger ecological picture, the Prius will have more appeal because it leaves a slightly smaller footprint on our environment. If you're more concerned with saving money and prefer the European driving dynamic, then the Jetta is your ride. Either way, I'd say we're all winners. Peter Bleakney can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel
Re: [biofuel] 78 mercedes 300d
I'd suggest you get a turbodiesel if you are getting a 300D. And also, try to find one that has not been redone in any way. There are plenty of very nice rust free Florida, California, and BC rust free examples, it is worth the trip to get a good one. If you cannot afford the turbodiesel, the older 300D non-turbo is still a great choice, and better than the newer 190D by far, but again be sure to get one that's got a good history (one or two owners, no body work, no redone interior etcif its been cared for at all, and is not from the rust belt, it does not need to be redone. They were built to last. Edward Beggs On Monday, April 26, 2004, at 12:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was once discouraged from buying a mid-eighties 190D. How about a 1978 300D? I can get one here in for 3000$ (Canadian). It looks to be in pretty good shape. No visible rust. Good glass. The used car salesman claims it has only 124,000 miles. Tranny, interior and body apparently redone. I believe I remember Ed Beggs writing about a similar year 300D. Is it a reliable car? How is it for cold starting? Does it get decent mileage? Can a turbo-charger be installed? Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Preprocessing WVO via centrifuge?
On Tuesday, April 27, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Robert Del Bueno wrote: In the ongoing quest of finding a better way to preprocess/filter WVO, I am wondering if anyone out there has done anything using centrifuges? Gravity settling works very well, but of course, takes time. A centrifuge seems like a great way to spin out not only particulate contaminates, but also water. It does not take all that long...3 days to 3 weeks is the best way to put it...3 days for a passable job, if you have good onboard fuel processing, 3 weeks preferably. I know that folks like Alfa-Laval makes continuous oil centrifuges (even for food industry use), and water/oil separators, but these units are quite large and very expensive..way more than I need. Anyone ever messed with a cream separator? These are available small (even hand crank)..many with variable outputs. Real ones are very expensive and fussy to maintain, I understand. Cream separators are too slow-spinning and will not work. We tried one. Big mess, big waste of time. Gravity is better. Even fabricating a spinning drum (within a catch drum)..with adjustable outlets on the perimeter, center of bottom, and input via top (otherwise closed) seems like it could be worth looking into... washing machine? Seems like a moderate speed unit may be able to come close to doing away with filter elements. I'd recommend you not even think about doing away with filter elements. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca Just curious if any one had explored this? -Rob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips
On Sunday, April 25, 2004, at 05:53 PM, murdoch wrote: To what you're written I would add some mention of public transportation, which in the end I'm guessing is dramatically safer per passenger-mile traveled, in addition perhaps to having some different uses of fuel per passeger-mile traveled, and perhaps having some different 'valuation' of those passenger miles (in that a person who has chosen to live in an urban environment may need to travel fewer miles per task), and I would add something somewhat related, which is some fundamental altering in our city and general planning. Absolutely, on both counts. Thanks Edward Beggs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fortune 500 WVO ??
Just one...be sure to label the beer bottle! Better yet, use something that won't be confused with a food or beverage container to store make up and store your sodium methoxide in, or the headlines will be interesting. Edward Beggs On Monday, April 26, 2004, at 08:36 AM, biobenz wrote: Anyway, I am now waiting for my methoxide to become a reality in the Grolsch bottle before attempting to do the mix and see what happens. I have also contacted a hospital supply house and ordered some 100% isopropyl alcohol (4.5L is the smallest they had, so I will have plenty of isopropyl for awhile.) Any comments Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips
. Then the renewable energy options are viable and sustainable, and only then. You have to use a lot less to accomplish the same tasks, in a renewable energy-based economy, to make it work. You can't as easily just go find more if you're using renewables. You can't substitute biodiesel for diesel, for example, *doing things the way we do them now*, i.e. extravagant use of diesel fuel*...but you *can* meet the needs of society via renewables, or are much more likely to be able to do so, IF you are much more energy-efficient and conservation-minded AND you combine a whole range of renewable energy technologies to take the place of that single, very convenient gift of nature, the barrel of fossil oil. Ok, so it's not exactly on-topic, except this: as we are asked to discuss and debate and write about and mull over new auto propulsion technologies, I can't help but return to the fact that so many of us on Earth die or injured every year in them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
Hi: Oh yes, I speak very clear American (US variant of English)it's from growing up halfway between Detroit (cars) and Sarnia (petroleum), near Wallaceburg (soybeans, and a lot of people from Holland). So I ended up sounding like I am from Michigan (so they told me when I moved to Edmonton years ago, to partake in the oil boom), looking like I came from Holland (you say), and fooling with how to make engines run on stuff from farmland that burns cleaner and doesn't form blobs in the bottoms of rivers. But I'm as Canadian as anyone but First Nations folks, which is to say the family's been here since the boats landed in from Ireland and Scotland, fleeing the results of potato monoculture and imperialism, laissez faire economics, indifference, greed and all that. If somebody'd got on the wrong boat, or they'd drawn the lines on the map a few miles further west, I'd be a US citizen, I suppose. Maybe even a Yooper. ( Pass the Cornish pasties and smoked fish, I gotta finish my Stroh's and get up dere by da Soo, there's still 3 weeks of ice fishin' ta go!) On Thursday, April 15, 2004, at 10:11 PM, fremontjon wrote: When I met Ed in Toronto.CA he was speaking a very clear American and I could understand him perfectly. No hint of French or any other yooperisms at all. Maybe he did slow down a little so I could understand. But what he spoke about and his views of life ahead of us sure made him seem American, or how I wish an American could view life. Sadly, the US has a ways to go, eh? Ed, now that I've drug your name around, I'm just curious, are you actually Dutch? I've sat in the back pew in a few Dutch ASP churches and ya'll look the same, no?? :) Sorry for the ofhand, Ed keep up the great work and keep the faith, Thanks for the blessings! Jon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Trunk mounted tank
We are adding a donut tank to the lineup...small tank inside of spare, removes easily, use biodiesel in that one, and SVO in the original tank. inquiries off-list, please! email us. Edward Beggs On Monday, April 19, 2004, at 04:35 PM, Busyditch wrote: I am poring over the specs on a singleor dual tank system to run WVO. Anyone know of a manufacturer who makes a tank to fit in the spare tire well? I have a 2000 Golf and thought this would be a good idea, as it would not take up the cargo/trunk areas in eithe Golfs or sedans like Jettas, etc. Seems to me it would hold at least 10 gal, or so. -busyditch Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: International Hydrogen Drive 2004 Event!!
We use hydrogen already in our systems hydrogenated (or partly hydrogenated) WVO. So, maybe we should join Dennis? BTW, Is he going to ride his horse? That was pretty sustainable until we had too many people and too few of them willing to clean up behind the things Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, April 19, 2004, at 07:05 PM, Curtis Sakima wrote: For some reason . I thought I should post this here Curtis Dazzle Mom this coming Mother's Day season with flowers! http://www.flowerson55.com - Original Message - From: Janet Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone! I want to let you all know about an important event that needs everyone's support: Actor Dennis Weaver's International Hydrogen Drive 2004 (which will include both hydrogen fuel cell and internal combustion, hybrid and bio-diesel vehicles) is confirmed!! This is a very important cause that is involving celebrities and politicians, but it needs more visibility among the actual environmental groups! The link is http://www.hydrogendrive.com The IHD2004 is an international caravan (with major stars and national political figures) -- all driving new alternative fuel vehicles to bring visibility to the progress manufacturers have made and the viability of these alternative vehicles. Both celebrities and politicians are signing up to become involved. It will start in LA on June 28th, wind down to Mexico, then back up through California, Oregon, Washington, finally finishing up in Vancouver on July 12th. MSNBC will be covering it and there will be 26 celebrity rallies, along the way! (As well as future caravans to be scheduled for other parts of the country, coming soon!). Here are the reasons I'm asking everyone to check out IHD2004: 1. IHD2004 is an important kickoff for the Geo-Political- Environmentalism (G-P-E) movement -- which is publicizing the philosophy that we will never truly be safe until we have no further dependence on resources from the Middle East (i.e. no more need for oil). 2. IHD2004 will be bringing visibility to the fact that the new alternative fuel cars now include all shapes and sizes and sources of fuels and that many states are now setting up hydrogen highways (alternative fueling stations every 20 miles, along their own main highways, so people can fill up, as they go)! 3. My involvement: In addition to being a strong supporter of alternative fuels, I am also a TV/Film composer (in my day job :o) The International Hydrogen Drive is using my music ( http://janetritz.com/songs.htm ) for their theme song and, frankly, I'm hoping it will encourage people to check out more of my music and spread the word (as I make my living on cd sales), so I can afford to continue my environmental work. If you're interested, please check out both http://www.JanetRitz.com and the Highlights box at http://hydrogendrive.com . 4. These drives have FREE celebrity rallies, along the way, and are a super way to have FUN and meet great people! Please check out the above links, tell everyone you know about IHD2004, also support my music site (http://www.janetritz.com), as that is the only way I can afford to continue my environmental work and please! forward this email to all interested parties!! Thanks! Janet Ritz http://www.janetritz.com http://www.hydrogendrive.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Nwafor - benefits of preheating SVO on DI engines...
FYI Renewable Energy Volume 28, Issue 2 , February 2003, Pages 171-181 doi:10.1016/S0960-1481(02)00032-0ÊCite or link using doi Ê Copyright © 2003 Elsevier Science Ltd. All rights reserved. The effect of elevated fuel inlet temperature on performance of diesel engine running on neat vegetable oil at constant speed conditions O. M. I. Nwafor Department of Mechanical Engineering, Federal University of Technology, Owerri, Imo State, Nigeria Received 5 February 2002;Ê accepted 5 February 2002.Ê Available online 9 September 2002. Abstract The concept that engine design is all important in the use of vegetable oils as a diesel fuel has been pointed out by many researchers. One hundred percent of vegetable oil can be used safely in an indirect injection engine, but not in a direct injection engine due to the high degree of atomization required for this type. This problem is related to increasing droplet size on injection into the cylinder that results in poor combustion. This in turn, causes the formation of deposits in the combustion chamber, together with oil dilution due to introduction of unburnt fuel into the crankcase. The objective of this work was to evaluate the effect of increasing fuel inlet temperature on viscosity and performance of a single cylinder, unmodified diesel engine. The overall results showed that fuel heating increased peak cylinder pressure and was also beneficial at low speed and under part-load operation. The high combustion temperature at high engine speed becomes the dominant factor, making both heated and unheated fuel to acquire the same temperature before fuel injection. Author Keywords: Fuel inlet temperature; Pressure crankangle and heat release diagrams; Brake specific fuel consumption; Brake thermal efficiency; Mechanical efficiency and hydrocarbon emissions Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
Maybe so, I've not read it, but the phrase has certainly entered the lexicon, and it's not flattering...anyway here's a review that seems to validate that idea: First published in 1958, The Ugly American became a runaway national bestseller for its slashing expos of American arrogance, incompetence, and corruption in Southeast Asia. Based on fact, the book's eye-opening stories and sketches drew a devastating picture of how the United States was losing the struggle with Communism in Asia. Combining gripping storytelling with an urgent call to action, the book prompted President Eisenhower to launch a study of our military aid program that led the way to much-needed reform. Powerful and absorbing. . . . Should be required reading in Washington.Kirkus Reviews Not only important but consistently entertaining. . . . The attack on American policy in Asia this book makes is clothed in sharp characterizations, frequently humorous incident, and perceptive descriptions of the countries and people where the action occurs.-Robert Trumbull, former chief correspondent for the New York Times in China and Southeast Asia Seldom has a deadly warning been more entertainingly or convincingly given.Washington Star http://www.wwnorton.com/catalog/fall98/uglyamerican.htm On Tuesday, April 13, 2004, at 05:58 PM, Dave Williams wrote: Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: You're pathetic, and an embarrassment to many of your fellow Americans, who do not fit the profile of the Ugly American (which you've personified) whatsoever. Showing your lack of eddicashun, I see. The Ugly American was the good guy. God Bless America. It surely needs the help, to rid itself of such attitudes as yours. Edward Beggs Funny, I was thinking much the same thing... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Williams)== == waiting, anticipating / for someone to save her soul / well, I == == ain't no new Messiah / but I'm close enough for rock and roll! == = http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/index.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Homer Atkins, the original Ugly American
Dave, maybe this helps bridge our different perception of who the Ugly American phrase refers to, and what it refers to, from another review of the bookso, you're right that literally Homer Watkins was a good guy character ... and I think my use of the term in the context I used it is also common, and justified... The book's title is deliberately ironic. The ugly American is Homer Atkins, a smart, hard-working engineer with no patience for diplomats and other fools. His hands were laced with prominent veins and spotted with big, liverish freckles. His fingernails were black with grease. His fingers bore nicks and tiny scars of a lifetime of engineering. The palms of his hands were calloused. Homer Atkins was worth three million dollars, every dime of which he had earned by his own efforts... But who is really ugly here? Atkins is one of the book's heroes. It isn't the engineer's skin-deep ugliness that drives this story. It's the ugliness of short-sighted, conceited, self-important fools. To this day, more than forty years after its publication, the phrase ugly American is invoked to embody America's incompetent, heavy-handed foreign policy http://www.mekong.net/cambodia/ugly_am.htm On Tuesday, April 13, 2004, at 05:58 PM, Dave Williams wrote: Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: You're pathetic, and an embarrassment to many of your fellow Americans, who do not fit the profile of the Ugly American (which you've personified) whatsoever. Showing your lack of eddicashun, I see. The Ugly American was the good guy. God Bless America. It surely needs the help, to rid itself of such attitudes as yours. Edward Beggs Funny, I was thinking much the same thing... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Williams)== == waiting, anticipating / for someone to save her soul / well, I == == ain't no new Messiah / but I'm close enough for rock and roll! == = http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/index.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
Just on this section on risk assessment, I think this differs from deliberate or subconscious researcher bias, in that there *are* many instances where people fear what ought not be feared, and ignore what they should fear, or consider it to be safe (a good example would be that because its is natural versus synthetic it's better/safer - that's a pretty common sentiment, but not necessarily true). Mention PCB's and people will recoil in fear, even though, IIRC, there are only a few of the many PCB's out there that are *very* harmful, and many more that are not very harmful. I don't think that offering courses to the business sector on this topic is *necessarily* a bad thing or makes the group offering them a bad bunch - it's like teaching technology (or other branches of psychology), it is the intent, and the end use that the student puts the information to that matters. I understand that this sort of thing can be used to spin-doctor an environmental bad idea into something that sounds ok, but it can also be used to prevent an unfair, unwarranted public bias that could prevent a perfectly good product/service/company from existing just because it sounds scary or was poorly presented. Bottom line: some things sound great, but might be, in all or some circumstances, downright dangerous. e.g. Local residents make cleaner burning biodiesel on the kitchen stove! Others sound dangerous, but might very well be virtually harmless (at least on a strictly technical/scientific basis!) e.g. New dihydrogen monoxide plant, owned by Monsanto, to open immediately next to residential area!! http://www.snopes.com/toxins/dhmo.htm It ain't easy being green, nor searching for the truth! ;-) Edward Beggs On Monday, April 12, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: HCRA not only analyses risk but, in conjunction with allied institutions, also runs courses on 'risk communication. Learn how to more effectively communicate about risk issues with various audiences, and how to incorporate risk communication into the strategic operation of your organization. A combination of expert instruction, class participation, and real-world examples of successes and failures in risk communication will give you an understanding of the theoretical and practical issues involved, promotional material for a May 2003 seminar stated. The course program Directors were George M. Gray, David P. Ropeik and Ragnar Lfstedt. Another course scheduled for April 2002, HCRA and their co-hosts promised that those attending the two and a half day long Risk Communication Challenge course would learn the underlying psychology of how people 'decide' what to be afraid of and how afraid to be. You will learn how to select and craft key messages, how to deliver those messages, and how to work with the media to get your message out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
Hakan, I certainly appreciate that there are many similar studies here, so the issue is not whether ultrafiine particles are dangerous, they are. However, the question was originally posed as to whether a forklift on biodiesel in a warehouse is better than one on natural gas, I posted information that suggested it might be, Keith questioned whether that Toy (Harvard) study was as useful in answering the question as we'd like, etc. I do not mean to minimize the proven health risk of ultrafine particles, but there are many sources of these in life, and you'd probably need to wear a mask and use an electric forklift in a warehouse, for the best protection in terms of occupational health (long term daily exposure in the warehouse environment). Indoor air quality, including in the home, is also a serious issue in regard to PM10, PM2.5 and ultrafine particles - many say more serious than outdoor air quality. However, I am definitely interested in seeing more studies on this and of course especially good ones that may corroborate the findings of Toy et al. Now, as to risk assessment, and the perception of risk, I stand by my comments. There are many instances where people believe there is risk that is not there, and minimize risk that is present. For a company with a legitimate and safe product, it is fair that they be trained and understand how perception is reality, and get government and consumer acceptance so they can succeed even though there may be some inital scary sounding aspect to their product or service that is not justified in reality. That's different from greenwashing, which does occur, of course! Again, I do not mean to include ultrafine particles in this discussion as being something that is not to be taken seriously as a health risk. I have had much personal and immediate family experience with the health problems related to air quality, and that is what led to my interest in this field and to the contribution that biofuels for diesel can make to improving the situation. We'll need more than the Toy study to point to, though, if it's a comparison of which is better, natural gas or clean diesel/green diesel/biodiesel/SVO, etc.) Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, April 12, 2004, at 05:54 PM, Hakan Falk wrote: Ed, In the Europe investigations from Switzerland and France, it was also estimates of how many fatalities the Ultra fine particles (less than 2.5 micron) caused per year. The direct fatality figures were around twice the number of fatalities caused by road accidents. It is not a subject that can be neglected and it is serious. In Switzer land, the fatalities were something around 2,000 per year. Hakan At 21:18 12/04/2004, you wrote: Just on this section on risk assessment, I think this differs from deliberate or subconscious researcher bias, in that there *are* many instances where people fear what ought not be feared, and ignore what they should fear, or consider it to be safe (a good example would be that because its is natural versus synthetic it's better/safer - that's a pretty common sentiment, but not necessarily true). Mention PCB's and people will recoil in fear, even though, IIRC, there are only a few of the many PCB's out there that are *very* harmful, and many more that are not very harmful. I don't think that offering courses to the business sector on this topic is *necessarily* a bad thing or makes the group offering them a bad bunch - it's like teaching technology (or other branches of psychology), it is the intent, and the end use that the student puts the information to that matters. I understand that this sort of thing can be used to spin-doctor an environmental bad idea into something that sounds ok, but it can also be used to prevent an unfair, unwarranted public bias that could prevent a perfectly good product/service/company from existing just because it sounds scary or was poorly presented. Bottom line: some things sound great, but might be, in all or some circumstances, downright dangerous. e.g. Local residents make cleaner burning biodiesel on the kitchen stove! Others sound dangerous, but might very well be virtually harmless (at least on a strictly technical/scientific basis!) e.g. New dihydrogen monoxide plant, owned by Monsanto, to open immediately next to residential area!! http://www.snopes.com/toxins/dhmo.htmhttp://www.snopes.com/toxins/ dhmo.htm It ain't easy being green, nor searching for the truth! ;-) Edward Beggs On Monday, April 12, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: HCRA not only analyses risk but, in conjunction with allied institutions, also runs courses on 'risk communication. Learn how to more effectively communicate about risk issues with various audiences, and how to incorporate risk communication into the strategic operation of your organization. A combination of expert
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
bk: We're discussing the use and misuse of scientific research to back a claim that a certain fuel (natural gas) in a diesel engine is actually cleaner in some ways, but may in fact pose a greater health risk, from it's own emissions profile, than the original problem fuel (diesel fuel)... not building a bridge, or chemical reactions. The idea that you can have a scientific study, in any case, that provides results that other researchers challenge as being flawed or biased is hardly a new or unusual concept. I can give you a set of numbers, to believe in on the topic, if you wish, in fact, I did. Keith was aware that the source was perhaps not as credible as it appeared, and correctly posted this information. Other researchers would get varying results on the same issue in any case, often in spite of their best efforts and intentions to produce good quality, unbiased data. If you base your beliefs and decisions on one set of results only, from one source, the one that by happy coincidence agrees with your preconceived ideas of what you wanted to see (or what you perceived the boss or client wanted to see), then have a happy life and go build another Galloping Gertie. http://www.civeng.carleton.ca/Exhibits/Tacoma_Narrows/ But you may be quite disappointed or embarrassed, or out a lot of money, time and effort, when someone stands up with some very good research that perhaps refutes what you've been going withand hopefully they do that, and you accept it gracefully before you send people across your engineering masterpiece that was all based on your set of facts. (Not a flame, just defending my comments, sir) Edward Beggs On Monday, April 12, 2004, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well sir, IMHO you're off on the wrong track from the get-go. In engineering, which is what we are discussing here, whats wanted are the facts and the numbers apertnant thereto. A balanced view if the issue might be approiate for writing an editorial, but for determining the specifics of home grown chemical engineering, you need to be able to sort the knowledge from the information so widly available. Chemistry doesn't care what you opinion is. yr hmbl svnt bk (a critisism, not a flame..) Keith, I do thank you for this. As you know, I also strive for accuracy in the use of reports cited. In fact, I have been an instructor for a course in information literacy, research methods and so on, at the master's degree level, so this is an issue that is of great interest, and I think should be discussed on the list. (snip) So, when individuals, students, groups go looking for information, how do they get a balanced view of an issue, if there is so much official-looking and sincere-sounding material out there? (big ol' snip) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
Hakan, Thank you for this reminder that it is the connection with public health that provides much of the rationale and impetus for adoption of environmentally friendly (maybe we should start calling them people-and-pet-friendly!) fuels. If we have trouble making the connection to climate change, conflict, etc., maybe we can at least make the more direct connection to our lungs and hearts. I am sure all on the list will welcome this and any more studies you'll wish to provide links to and perhaps summaries of - I know I will appreciate seeing them. Best, Edward Beggs On Monday, April 12, 2004, at 09:51 PM, Hakan Falk wrote: Ed, I read your posting and thought it was good. It was however some more about the EU studies that I think are very valuable. It was studies of the fatality rate, in those were also gasoline included. It is also very strong arguments for biofuels, because if we assume that particulates from the fossil fuels kill 2+ times as many as traffic accidents, you are talking about in the hundred of thousands per year in US. I did postings about it at the time, but it is worth mentioning. Bifuels almost eliminates the direct death toll from exhaust particulates and have a potential for spectacular results both in death, hospital and other social costs. If you look at the major source for ultra fine particles, it is the transport. The papers I have seen, does not talk about many other sources of ultra fine particulates, even indoor in cities, it comes from traffic pollution. A mask in a warehouse must be quite advanced, if it would help for ultra fine particulates. I have not seen protection gear in the class of gas masks yet, but it might be necessary. The very large reduction from biofuels, must be a better solution. It is more than Toy studies in the medical field and you will find the EU studies. Hakan At 03:33 13/04/2004, you wrote: Hakan, I certainly appreciate that there are many similar studies here, so the issue is not whether ultrafiine particles are dangerous, they are. However, the question was originally posed as to whether a forklift on biodiesel in a warehouse is better than one on natural gas, I posted information that suggested it might be, Keith questioned whether that Toy (Harvard) study was as useful in answering the question as we'd like, etc. I do not mean to minimize the proven health risk of ultrafine particles, but there are many sources of these in life, and you'd probably need to wear a mask and use an electric forklift in a warehouse, for the best protection in terms of occupational health (long term daily exposure in the warehouse environment). Indoor air quality, including in the home, is also a serious issue in regard to PM10, PM2.5 and ultrafine particles - many say more serious than outdoor air quality. However, I am definitely interested in seeing more studies on this and of course especially good ones that may corroborate the findings of Toy et al. Now, as to risk assessment, and the perception of risk, I stand by my comments. There are many instances where people believe there is risk that is not there, and minimize risk that is present. For a company with a legitimate and safe product, it is fair that they be trained and understand how perception is reality, and get government and consumer acceptance so they can succeed even though there may be some inital scary sounding aspect to their product or service that is not justified in reality. That's different from greenwashing, which does occur, of course! Again, I do not mean to include ultrafine particles in this discussion as being something that is not to be taken seriously as a health risk. I have had much personal and immediate family experience with the health problems related to air quality, and that is what led to my interest in this field and to the contribution that biofuels for diesel can make to improving the situation. We'll need more than the Toy study to point to, though, if it's a comparison of which is better, natural gas or clean diesel/green diesel/biodiesel/SVO, etc.) Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.cahttp://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, April 12, 2004, at 05:54 PM, Hakan Falk wrote: Ed, In the Europe investigations from Switzerland and France, it was also estimates of how many fatalities the Ultra fine particles (less than 2.5 micron) caused per year. The direct fatality figures were around twice the number of fatalities caused by road accidents. It is not a subject that can be neglected and it is serious. In Switzer land, the fatalities were something around 2,000 per year. Hakan At 21:18 12/04/2004, you wrote: Just on this section on risk assessment, I think this differs from deliberate or subconscious researcher bias, in that there *are* many instances where people fear what ought not be feared, and ignore what
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
Hi again, Keith: Yes, I agree, it's not what anyone needs to have a private concern supplying the drinking water to those who can afford to pay (that's why the bit in brackets, belowand I expect you're right on the last bit, for the most part. Sometimes it pays to know, though, that not all companies and the people working for them, even large multinational megabuck outfits, are inherently evil, nor are all industrial processes, and sometimes there's a good case to be made. If that's the situation, then I don't think you can fault anyone for providing or taking training to present their case, anticipate reaction, plan for it, prevent it from occurring, etc. (Not to say you're wrong about the particular courses and intent of this particular group, but speaking more generally) One side spins, the other side weaves, and the public gets to try on the clothes...the more aware people are, as you say, of what all goes into the forming of opinion, the better off we are. Is it true, legitimate? Spin? Outright BS? Well, the more we pay attention, and get ourselves equipped to discern, the more we might be able to sift out the grains of truth and make better decisions for ourselves and future generations. Edward Beggs On Monday, April 12, 2004, at 09:18 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Others sound dangerous, but might very well be virtually harmless (at least on a strictly technical/scientific basis!) e.g. New dihydrogen monoxide plant, owned by Monsanto, to open immediately next to residential area!! http://www.snopes.com/toxins/dhmo.htm I know what you're saying, but in fact the last thing anybody needs is for Monsanto or Bechtel or whatever to get involved with water supplies in their neighbourhood. It ain't easy being green, nor searching for the truth! I think you make a mistake though by implying here and in your previous post that it's six of one and half a dozen of the other, or even less greenwashing (That's different from greenwashing, which does occur, of course!). They don't even begin to compare. Follow the money for the truth of that. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
Touche On Tuesday, April 13, 2004, at 06:42 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Ed I don't think anyone here has said or implied that all companies and the people working for them, even large multinational megabuck outfits, are inherently evil, nor all industrial processes. Snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
I'll second that, not that it's needed for the list moderator to take appropriate action here. You're pathetic, and an embarrassment to many of your fellow Americans, who do not fit the profile of the Ugly American (which you've personified) whatsoever. They have my sympathy, for having to endure the labels that are increasingly placed upon them, which they as individuals do not deserve, and for having to share their country with such bigots. God Bless America. It surely needs the help, to rid itself of such attitudes as yours. Edward Beggs On Tuesday, April 13, 2004, at 09:28 AM, Keith Addison wrote: You're all over the place pal, you're full of big gaping holes, and worse. Whether or not you can see it yourself, everyone else sure can. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
See below: Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Sunday, April 11, 2004, at 03:45 PM, kirkmcloren wrote: My brother told me the company he works for is thinking of leasing clean diesel forklifts for their warehouses. I seem to remember the new smaller particle engines are actually more dangerous to your lungs. Anyone remember where this info is? Diesel or Natural Gas? New Harvard Study Finds Environmental Pros and Cons with Both For immediate release: Monday, January 10, 2000 Boston, MA--Which fuel is the right choice for heavy trucks and buses? It's a decision facing policymakers in California, at the EPA, and at government agencies around the world, as well as executives at automakers and corporations that operate fleets of buses or trucks. Phase 1 of a study comparing the two fuels, by the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis (HCRA) at Harvard School of Public Health, finds that there are advantages and disadvantages to each. Environmentally, natural gas is better at reducing particulate and NOx pollution. Diesel is better for reducing greenhouse gasses. Diesel is the fuel of choice now, but concerns about particulate pollution in diesel exhaust have prompted a move toward alternatives. The HCRA analysis finds that natural gas reduces emissions of fine particulates, those smaller than 2.5 microns. But natural gas may generate more ultra fine particles than diesel. Those are less than .1 micron. Several studies indicate that ultrafine particles may have an even more dramatic impact on health than those in the fine category. The study finds that because natural gas is primarily methane, a relatively simple molecule, it combusts more completely than many fuels, producing fewer emissions of several types, particularly NOx, an important contributor to ground level ozone and the formation of fine particulates. The advantages of diesel come from its efficiency. Diesel engines convert a large fraction of the available energy into useable work. As a result, diesel engines consume less fuel overall than if they were converted to natural gas. The HCRA study suggests that converting heavy trucks and buses from diesel to natural gas would increase emissions of C02, a significant greenhouse gas. In addition, the study finds that more widespread use of natural gas would likely increase the escape of methane into the atmosphere. Methane is approximately 20 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2. The study finds that European regulators seem to be favoring diesel fuel as part of their effort to comply with the Kyoto agreements to stabilize CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions. They are using tax incentives and emissions standards to encourage the use of new cleaner-burning diesel fuels. European vehicle manufacturers appear to be increasing their application of green diesel technology that captures significant amounts of particulates. The study finds that diesel has safety advantages over natural gas, which is a more flammable and explosive fuel to handle and store. It finds that diesel has a short-term cost advantage, but that natural gas might end up with roughly the same costs if engines and refueling infrastructure become common. For a complete copy of the report, please view the December 1999 issue of Risk in Perspective (PDF, 205 KB, PDF information). The Harvard Center for Risk Analysis promotes a more reasoned response to health, safety, and environmental risks. For further information, please contact: Edmond Toy, lead author, 617-432-1566, [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Ropeik, Director of Risk Communications, 617-432-6011, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
, and environmental risks. For further information, please contact: Edmond Toy, lead author, 617-432-1566, [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Ropeik, Director of Risk Communications, 617-432-6011, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO
What do you mean the standard 2 oz of methanol to 5 gallons? Where is that idea coming from? Standard? Edward Beggs On Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 11:11 PM, kenriznyk wrote: I just came from a green expo. I talked to a chicken feed manufacturer who had lots of soy oil left over so he now uses 5% soy oil in his diesel trucks. He adds the standard 2 oz of methanol to 5 gallons. He had over 500,000 on several trucks and hasn't had any problems. He does use a fuel heater. Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Burnveggies Digest, Vol 3, Issue 5
All Benz buyers/owners...listen up!!! The following appeared on a list recently: Begin forwarded message: the transmission died in my car and now i need to find someone to love it, who either wants to fix it up or use it for parts. the engine itself was replaced about 5 years back and has less than 80,000 miles on it. i live near lake merritt in oakland. if you are interested or want more info let me know. thanks, k --- These transmissions don't die. They get killed. There is only something like 300ml of fluid level between full and toasted, it needs a new one on those MB autoboxes! Learn how to check it, and DO IT WEEKLY, by the book, using a piece of leather to wipe the dipstick off and ensuring that there are no particles on it when you reinsert. If the tranny fluid smells burnt or looks dark HAVE IT CHANGED. if the tranny is leaking any fluid from a seal, etc. GET IT FIXED. This is the number one cause of failure of MB automaticsLOW FLUID / LACK OF MAINTENANCE. Also, once a year, on the older 240D, 300D, etc. GET THE VALVES ADJUSTEDit's cheap and easy and will restore compression (making your SVO-burner start easier and have more power)this MUST be done!!! And if you transmission seal is leaking, and the shop tells you the transmission must be removed to fix the seal, find another shop. The seal partway up the side can be fixed, barely, with the transmission left in the car. My Benz mechanic fixed mine. It was a few hundred dollars, no more than that. These are cheap ways to make the cars last forever, run right, shift properly, etc. Edward Beggs Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Press Release: DynaMotive Energy Systems Unveils World's Largest Pyrolysis BioOil Plant
is an energy systems company that is focused on the development of innovative energy solutions based on its patented fast pyrolysis system. Through the application of fast pyrolysis, DynaMotive has shown it can unlock the natural energy found in the world's abundant organic resources that have been traditionally discarded by the agricultural and forest industries and to economically convert them into a renewable and environmentally friendly fuel. DynaMotive has successfully demonstrated conversion of these residues into fuel known as BioOil, as well as char and in doing so establishing these residues as a renewable, environmentally friendly and cost competitive energy reserve. Forward Looking Statement Statements in this news release concerning the company's business outlook or future economic performance; anticipated profitability, revenues, expenses, or other financial items; and statements concerning assumptions made or expectations as to any future events, conditions, performance or other matters, are forward-looking statements as that term is defined under the Federal Securities Laws. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors which could cause actual results to differ materially from those stored in such statements. Such risks, uncertainties and factors include, but are not limited to, future capital needs, changes and delays in product development plans and schedules, customer acceptance of new products, changes in pricing or other actions by competitors, patents owned by the Company and its competitors, and general economic conditions, as well as other risks detailed in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up
on 10.03.2004 at 16.13 . Page 3 environmentally friendly energy sources. This article comes from Science Blog: http://www.scienceblog.com/community The URL for this story is: http://www.scienceblog.com/community/modules.php?name=Newsfile =articlesid=2279 Page 3 of 3 printed on 10.03.2004 at 16.13 . On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 07:04 PM, Darryl McMahon wrote: SNIP Let's see, in the past few days there has been plenty of hydrogen hype reported. ENDSNIP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methyl Bromide...
Note: Of interest for biofuels...mustard seed holds a lot of potential for plant oil production ...and for pellets (meal), the co-product of cold pressing, the mustard meal is a substitute for the use of methyl bromidesee article below Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca Human activity in the Industrial Age approximately the last 150 years has significantly increased atmospheric levels of methyl bromide, a gas known for harming the ozone layer in the Earth's stratosphere. A research team in California reached this conclusion after examining an ice core recovered from Antarctica. By studying air bubbles trapped in the core, the team was able to compare levels of methyl bromide in the atmosphere over the last three centuries. The team concluded that during the industrial era, the amount of global atmospheric methyl bromide in Southern Hemisphere air appears to have increased by 3.5 parts per trillion, or approximately 50 percent of the preindustrial level of the gas. From UC Irvine: Ozone-destroying gas in atmosphere increased significantly during Industrial Age, study shows By examining trapped air bubbles in an ice core, researchers extend atmospheric record of methyl bromide over 300 years Human activity in the Industrial Age approximately the last 150 years has significantly increased atmospheric levels of methyl bromide, a gas known for harming the ozone layer in the Earth's stratosphere. A research team led by UC Irvine scientist Eric Saltzman reached this conclusion after examining an ice core recovered from Antarctica. By studying air bubbles trapped in the core, Saltzman's team was able to compare levels of methyl bromide in the atmosphere over the last three centuries. The team concluded that during the industrial era, the amount of global atmospheric methyl bromide in Southern Hemisphere air appears to have increased by 3.5 parts per trillion, or approximately 50 percent of the preindustrial level of the gas. The researchers report their findings in the March 2, 2004, issue of the Journal of Geophysical Research Atmospheres. In the study, the researchers utilized 23 samples of shallow ice core drilled in 1995 in Siple Dome, West Antarctica, as part of a National Science Foundation-sponsored ice coring project in the West Antarctic ice sheet. Air was extracted from the samples in Saltzman's laboratory at UCI and analyzed using gas chromatography/mass spectrometry, a powerful analytical technique. We found trace levels of methyl bromide dating back to the late 1600s in the core's air bubbles, said Saltzman, professor of Earth system science. This longer-term record of methyl bromide shows convincingly that the amount of methyl bromide in the atmosphere increased during the industrial era. The reconstruction of ancient atmospheric levels of methyl bromide is an exciting development. Ice core records can provide insights into the natural variability of methyl bromide and shed light on how sensitive its atmospheric cycle is to climate change. Previous records of methyl bromide in the atmosphere a compilation of instrumental records and firn air measurements had only extended back to about the year 1900. (Firn is rounded, well-bonded snow that is older than one year.) The researchers also developed a numerical model to simulate major processes involved in the global biogeochemical cycle of methyl bromide. Both the ice core measurements and modeling results show that human activities such as fumigation, combustion and biomass burning in industrial times have significantly increased atmospheric levels of this gas. They also highlight the large uncertainty still remaining in our understanding of the modern atmospheric methyl bromide budget, Saltzman said. Methyl bromide is a fumigant used to control insects, nematodes, weeds and pathogens in crops, forests and wood products. Its primary uses are for soil fumigation, postharvest protection and quarantine treatments. The gas also has natural sources in both terrestrial and oceanic environments, as well as natural sinks that can remove methyl bromide from the atmosphere. It is the only chemical included in the Montreal Protocol the international agreement designed to protect the Earth's stratospheric ozone layer that has major natural sources. Understanding the natural sources and sinks of methyl bromide is a focus of current research, as is gaining a greater understanding of other gases harming the ozone layer, which protects the Earth from ultraviolet radiation. Researchers Murat Aydin of UCI; Warren J. De Bruyn of Chapman University, Orange, Calif.; Daniel B. King of Drexel University, Philadelphia, Pa.; and Shari A. Yvon-Lewis of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Miami, Fla., also contributed to the study. The research was supported by the National Science Foundation and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
[biofuel] Moreon methyl bromide
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Re: [biofuel] Smart car Diesel coming to Canada
Hi Tom...that'd be L/100kmlitres per 100km, I imagine, is what you are seeing in the specs. Biodiesel production in Canada is in its infancy. We need more provinces to follow Ontario's lead, and eliminate road tax from biodiesel. (The feds have done their bit, biodiesel is exempt from federal excise tax) The other provinces need to get in the game. Conversion to miles per US gallon: http://sps.k12.mo.us/khs/german/germany/other/dtconversions.htm Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 08:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonderful news. This will allow the Smart Car to run on Canadian biodiesel production, which is in advanced development. I'm chagrined to be ignorant of the units that they use to measure fuel efficiency. Please tell, what is the symbol 1/100 mean in metric units, and its conversion to mpg? Tom Leue In a message dated 3/21/04 10:45:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fall 2004. Sedan and Cabriolet. Only the turbodiesel will be imported! http://www.thesmart.ca/index.cfm Maybe if we all start asking/lobbying now, we can get a clear answer from Mercedes on biodiesel use...and hopefully it will the right answer! - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Suzuki Samurai TD and Vanagon TD...FS, must sell!
Hi, please forgive the intrusion...*must sell* my Suzuki Samurai longbed with VW 1.6TD, ...and my 88 Vanagon with automatic and ultra-low mileage 97 1.9TD. Both can be seen on the Neoteric Biofuels site, direct link below: http://biofuels.ca/forsale.html Best reasonable offer, serious inquiries only. Both can include G3 SVO-Max systems. Have bought the crew cab pictured on the site (our long-term tester, converted and running WVO since 2000), and have too many vehicles around and need money for next projects(including, I hope, some innovative stuff on SVO hybrids and microcogeneration!) Thanks! Edward Beggs Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Smart car Diesel coming to Canada
Fall 2004. Sedan and Cabriolet. Only the turbodiesel will be imported! http://www.thesmart.ca/index.cfm Maybe if we all start asking/lobbying now, we can get a clear answer from Mercedes on biodiesel use...and hopefully it will the right answer! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
