Re: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser
Hi I've been wrestling with this one for a while and I don't see an easy answer. I think: a vacuum pump is not what you need, your condenser needs to empty into a well, and since this needs to be a closed system so the alcohol doesent go evaporating off into the atmosphere. You need to maintain a level in the well with a positive displacement pump that is driven by a control circuit which maintains a prescribed Temperature/vacuum pressure at the top of the reactor/condenser, Fred On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 17:26 US/Eastern, Tan wrote: Can anyone give me an opinion about this? Would a vacuum pump from a car (the vacuum pump attached to the alternator and the breaks' master cylinder) do for alcohol recovery? Thanks, Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links And some run up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stones to pieces wi' hammers, like so many road makers run daft. They say it is to see how the world was made. Sir Walter Scott, St. Ronan's Well 1824 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics
Have you noticed that the american tabloids don't touch much on politics? Fred On Monday, Mar 29, 2004, at 02:49 US/Eastern, Tad Johnson wrote: If I wanted SPIN I would read the National Enquirer. The Guardian might as well be the National Inquirer, and everyone over there seems to bask in the conspiracy theories and the extreme left, taking both as the ultimate truth. Actually all the articles I've read on the The Guardian make The National Enquirer look very sane and professional. I would be intrigued if the world would run as that newspaper would like it run, might be an interesting experiment. In the meantime I will stay right here in the middle of the spectrum. Not Rush Limbaugh and not Tom Daschle = ) Tad Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bulk oil storage
Hi The chances of bush spontaneously combusting are slim but not immpossible. The problem lies in that there are alot of bonesmen out there and it would be like marching the Chinese into the sea. Fred Anderson On Friday, Feb 27, 2004, at 21:14 US/Eastern, banjojimmy73 wrote: hello all I am starting to produce 50 gal batches and i need some advice on some things... 1-bulk wvo storage, should I have an element heater in a large tank, or have a large storage tank and then a drum to preheat oil before batch process 2-What sort of rigs are people using for collection, other than the 12 v pump into a drum or tank? 3-It is my impression from a few sources that the nbb is anti-small producer and doesn't make it easy to certify fuel to sell, so can we get around this legality by forming and selling to co-op members? I'm sure this has been done by some groups i'm just ignorant. 4-I wanted to use the turk burner to heat up my leftover glycerine. Is this dangerous to do? 5-when adding salt to break emulstion, should we be going kosher here or is your regular unblessed table salt a ok. and how much per liter of emulshit-fication. 6-what are the chances of president bush spontaneously combusting from an overload of fear and repression? thanks to any and all who choose to enlighten. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links When the people fear the government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have freedom. Thomas Paine, ... he should know having been a revolutionary during a few revolutions in government, including ours, (the U.S.A.), by far the most relevant and meaningful in human history. No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government Thomas Jefferson, June 1776 ... If ya don't know who he is then perhaps it is because of some tyranny where you live finds advantage in hiding his existence from you. (Oh perish the revolutionary thought of the ability to protect freedom from tyranny !!!) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception
AMEN !!! THE FIX IS IN, At this point the winner is Scull and Bones (see the movie, available at rental stores) All the american electorate has left is a protest vote. maybe. Best Regards Fred Anderson On Tuesday, Feb 24, 2004, at 13:13 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/24/2004 4:00:56 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . At this point any of the alternative party candidates are merely spoilers, and votes for any of them are effectively votes for Bush. If your only goal it to defeat Mr. Bush, you vote for the lesser of two evils, but you still get evil. Especially in the congressional races, your vote won't count for much, but your protest vote, for another party, will send a powerfull message, especially if the scum can't get a real majority. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links When the people fear the government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have freedom. Thomas Paine, ... he should know having been a revolutionary during a few revolutions in government, including ours, (the U.S.A.), by far the most relevant and meaningful in human history. No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government Thomas Jefferson, June 1776 ... If ya don't know who he is then perhaps it is because of some tyranny where you live finds advantage in hiding his existence from you. (Oh perish the revolutionary thought of the ability to protect freedom from tyranny !!!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] vitrious encapsulated spent nuculer fuel pellets
Hi am working on a new house and would like to make it as energy efficient as possible. I heard, a few years back that the Swedes were dealing with their spent fuel problem by putting the pellets in leadded glass balls about the size of baseballs. These balls then maintain a temp of 105 F for 100,000 years. This seems like it would make an excellent hot water heater - in fact a fine way to heat my house with hot water. could also keep the ice and show off my porch steps and driveway in the winter . I could rig it to a sterling engine to provide free electricity for me and my family for many generations to come. Does anyone know where I can get these balls? Hopefully, Fred A chorus of voices exhorts kids to study science. No one stops to ask whether it is inhumane to force adolescents to spend the bulk of their time studying subjects most of them hate. -- Unabomber Manifesto, Ted Kaczynski Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...
So. COLOR OR BLACK WHITE? On Thursday, Feb 19, 2004, at 12:19 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: By rising above what the other person did, although there must be some limits. In some cases, it must be with an olive branch of peace in one hand and a weapon of war in the other. I welcome people into my house, when invited, but, at the same time, I will defend my family and others ( even if it means my own death ), from anyone intent on harm. The hardest thing to do, is to determine if an action is going to do more harm than good, some cases are clear as crystal, but, many are not. It is even worse if your a leader trying to do the best for your country, more so if your trying to help the world as well. I would never want to be the President of the U.S. More is expected of them, than any other citizen of the U.S. especially with such deep divisions as we have. For all his faults, the President is a better man that I, not just because he deals with major issues, on a daily basis, but, because he *willingly* does it and in general, probably with more of a even hand than I would want use. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 09:46 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... How do you lend aid to those who wreak so much devastation? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...
Hi I'm asssuming Todd wrote the original question about color or bw. Great question. I laughed my ass off when I first read it. I've never seen so many replys. What's scary is how many people are missing the question and are responding to the red herring. what's even scarier is how many people don't understand Georges job discription which is: Move as much money as possible from the treasury of the united states and the pockets of the citizens, to the bank accounts and coffers of his fellow bonesmen. So you see, George is doing an excellent job. btw both Kerry and Dean are bonesmen so it is safe too predict the winner of the presidency for the next four years is Skull and Bones, On Thursday, Feb 19, 2004, at 22:39 US/Eastern, Hakan Falk wrote: Greg, Good job or not, it must be something wrong. It is so many well researched investigations, that link air pollution and premature death. It is no doubt and you can almost directly quantify the premature death at different pollution levels. It is a difficult problem and a concern for any who understand it. For any President or nations leader to put his signature under weakening of pollution regulations, is a matter of dooming a certain number of his own people to a premature death. Your current president has done so and the effects and casualties will be larger than any modern US push button warfare. I do not call that to do the best, hard job or not, if the goal should be to serve his country and citizens. Beside that, it is good with high pollution standards, because most of them also lead to energy conservation and less dependence of foreign supplies. Hakan At 01:26 20/02/2004, you wrote: Perhaps, but, you know what they say, Expect the unexpected . I once blew my personal reputation out the door, back when I was a teen, and now I work at keeping it in good shape, but, despite all the good I have done since then, people still hold it against me, almost 20 years later. Add in the fact that others would hold my religion against me, saying it would make me unfit for any political office, because I would be unable to maintain separation of church and state. I despise the mud slinging that the race for political office has become, and I despise even more the media that pushes it for all it's worth, it's no longer even a veiled attempt at honesty, is has become a best of the worst - popularity contest ( indeed I personally think that it has become as bad as it is because of the extent that the media drives it ). I personally wouldn't want the job, but, for one big qualification, unless I had no other choice in supporting the Constitution. Like any President, he walks a fine line, a tightrope if you will. Not only that, every third person is trying to push him off. The other two people fall into one of 3 categories: The first category are trying to hold him up, the second category, flat out don't care one way or the other so long as they get what they think belongs to them ( which to my way of thinking is the worst possible category ), and the third type is willing to try work with him to make things better, despite differences. I always hope that when push comes to shove I can respect and support the office of President of the United States of America, even though I may despise and/or disagree with the man in it ( not mentioning any particular Presidents past, present, or future ), because he has the hardest bloody job in the world, and only a fraction of the support. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 14:53 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... Sorry Greg, That was a rhetorical question. Not one that I either sought or expected an answer to. Rising above the devasting practices of another sometimes requires insuring that the other no longer has the opportunity to practice such devastation. Hence my response of the third option - to do nothing. I have no clue as to your personal reputation or desire to follow a honest and forthright path. But I can tell you that George Bush has chosen neither. He's a desecration to his faith and to the nation he swore to serve. If that makes him a better man than anyone, then everyone has a serious problem - a problem which has been recognized for four years. Sadly, a stop wasn't put to it before the last three began. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... By rising above what the other person did, although there must be some limits. In some cases, it must be with an olive branch of peace in one hand and a weapon of war in the other. I welcome people into my house,
[biofuel] pagans
Why are Pagans and Athiests lumped in the same phrase? Pagans wer what the Roman soldiers called people who lived in the country and were familiar with the forces of nature that helped grow plants etc. still are and do. check out the rituals and practices of the Grange. The god of the Jews,btw, evolved from an old Sumarian god of war, who liked blood sacrifices, especialy the enemys.. H. Destruction and Living Hell are, according to this map, just down the road a piece. I can't tell how far, since the scale of the map fluctuates. The Mogambo Guru, Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...
Hi Always shoot color. Photoshop can get excellent BW from color slides and negatives. As far as the other part is concerned. There is no dilemma. You are there to record history. not be a part of it or change it. I've gotten in trouble for this a few times myself. Supposedly there are a few exceptions - After you have exhausted every photo opportunity it might be OK to rescue the baby from the Pit Bull. In Bush's case the best shot has to be as he goes under for the last time. Best Regards Fred On Wednesday, Feb 18, 2004, at 20:14 US/Eastern, Appal Energy wrote: Actually, there is a third answer to this... Moral Dilemma... This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. Please don't answer it without giving it some serious thought. By giving an honest answer you will be able to ascertain where you stand morally. The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation, where you will have to make a decision one way or the other. Remember that your answer should to be honest, yet spontaneous. Please scroll down slowly and consider each line - this is important for the test to work accurately. You're in Florida. In Miami, to be exact. There is great chaos going on around you, caused by a hurricane and severe floods. There are huge masses of water all around you. You are an Associated Press photographer and you are in the middle of this great disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot very impressive photos. There are houses afloat all around, people floating disappearing into the water. Nature is showing all its awesome power. Suddenly you see a man in the water - he is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken away by the masses of water and mud. You move closer. Somehow the man looks familiar. Suddenly you know who it is - it's George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him away, forever. You have two options. You can save him or you can take the best photo of your life. You can't do both. You can either save the life of George W. Bush, or you can shoot a Pulitzer Prize winning photo, a unique photo chronicling one of the world's most powerful men in a battle against the power of nature itself. Here's the question (please give an honest answer): Would you select color film, or instead go for the simplicity of classic black and white? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
Hi all I'd like to have a few hundred lbs of carbon black to go dust the two feet of snow in my driveway with on sunny mornings. Fred On Thursday, Feb 12, 2004, at 14:51 US/Eastern, bob allen wrote: 2. What would be done with the Carbon? I don't think there's enough of a market for the few products mention for Carbon Black to warrant being so cavalier about the matter. If you're talking about separating enough Carbon from Oxygen to make a difference to Global Warming, I think you should have better thinking in place as to what to do with the Carbon. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil
Hi apparently there is a thread in the biovuel group about the prisners we have in cuba (Gitmo) I thought you might enjoy pretty heavy stuff for a bunch of grease monkeys. On Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004, at 12:29 US/Eastern, John Hayes wrote: Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: And just so we don't start getting puffed up here in the states (about german concentration camps) ed. we need to remember that we had concentration camps for the Japanese here and we considered them completely legal. Pick your enemy, persecute them and lock them up. Sad commentary on we humans. Umm. No. We did it, but it wwas *NOT* considered legal. In Ex Parte Endo, Mitsuye Endo first complied with the internment order, then filed a writ of habeas corpus against this illegal detainment. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of Endo on Dec. 18th, 1994 and ordered Endos release; shortly thereafter, the U.S. government ended Japanese American interment. Specifically, in the majority opinion Justice Douglas wrote A citizen who is concededly loyal presents no problem of espionage or sabotage. Loyalty is a matter of the heart and mind, not of race, creed, or color. He who is loyal is by definition not a spy or a saboteur. When the power to detain is derived from the power to protect the war effort against espionage and sabotage, detention which has no relationship to that objective is unauthorized. Moreover, in a concuring opinion Justice Murphy added: I join in the opinion of the Court, but I am of the view that detention in Relocation Centers of persons of Japanese ancestry regardless of loyalty is not only unauthorized by Congress or the Executive but is another example of the unconstitutional resort to racism inherent in the entire evacuation program. As stated more fully in my dissenting opinion in Korematsu v. United States, ante, p. 233, racial discrimination of this nature bears no reasonable relation to military necessity and is utterly foreign to the ideals and traditions of the American people. Thus, while we may have done it, it most decidedly was *NOT* legal. Cheers. John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links First they came for the hackers. But I never did anything illegal with my computer, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the pornographers. But I thought there was too much smut on the Internet anyway, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the anonymous remailers. But a lot of nasty stuff gets sent from anon.penet.fi, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the encryption users. But I could never figure out how to work PGP anyway, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for me. And by that time there was no one left to speak up. Alara Rogers, Aleph Press [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] OT: Hubble Comment
Two comments. When I was in school, early 80's, NASA had the distinction of being the only government that showed a profit. $14+ return for every dollar spent. 2. Doesn't the military turn hubble around and check out things on earth when it wants to? Regards Fred On Tuesday, Feb 3, 2004, at 23:28 US/Eastern, murdoch wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:02:43 -0800, you wrote: on 2/3/04 6:01 PM, murdoch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we are also told that funding this relatively modest program, The Hubble, one of the most successful and important research tools in history, is no longer advisable. The Mars program, unlike the Hubble, is worth a great deal of political hay. It's an election year, so they're making hay. Also, Mars/Moon could be militarily advantageous (in some, I think, unattainable scenarios). Hubble looks OUTWARD, so is not of military import (unless you believe they're interested in ET-invasions). -K Your comments seem reasonable and I can't find much to disagree with in them. Were I advising on military matters, I'd have to ask, though, at what point saving the government money can also be factored-in as an advisable military purchasing action. I.e.: Does conservation apply to military purchasing as well as energy conservation? If so, then shouldn't one of the more cost-effective NASA programs be seen in a new light? How much money will it take to replace the Hubble program with something less productive and more costly? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: John Kerry Energy Policy Plan
Hi what difference does it make? most, if not all, of the democratic candidates have ties to the Republican Power structure. John Kerry is a member of Scull and Bones. And besides, If Bush gets electronic voting machines around the country, as he has mandated and paid for, The Military Industrial Complex will run the country untill the revolution. Best Regards Fred On Saturday, Jan 24, 2004, at 10:39 US/Eastern, murdoch wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:38:50 -, you wrote: There was an engergy plan contest here a while ago, so I thought some might be interested in seeing what the front running candidate for president would propose. Well, I think it is interesing but too long term. Many things he is looking for based on results in 15-20 years. Also, there still remains much discussion about fossil fuel. There is little attention to solar power and what there is is rather vague. Natural gas and coal are big topics. Well, I stil like my plan better. ^_^ http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/100days/environment.html I think that's just his summary page. There are other speeches and areas where he has dealt with additional topics or similar topics in a more comprehensive way. So, I think the webmaster did a mediocre job on what was at one time Mr. Kerry's signature topic. There's no immediately apparent mention of biofuels for example, but a search of biofuels on his website, turns up this speech which has a paragraph about them: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2002_0122.html I'm a Kerry fan. This occurred at first because I was so impressed with his level of knowledge on Energy Policy and a few other issues. On Energy Policy but also on many other issues, he seemed willing to be subtle and not go for the easy answer all the time. He seemed to me *much* less insulting in that respect than many other candidates. He was able, in my fallible opinion, to be clear and concise, but also to be subtle where needed. I've been glad to see him develop his range, as he has, rather than staying too much on the Energy Policy topic. For a little while there, with his strengths in discussing energy policy, and President Bush's absurd weaknesses in that area, Kerry seemed in danger of staying too much on that one topic and coming off as a one-trick-pony overly anxious to exploit a weakness of finite political currency value. But that was awhile ago, and Mr. Kerry now seems a much more diverse and balanced candidate to me. It's funny how his star was waning just a month or two ago when he fired some manager, and now he's thought of as doing well. We seem to have this over-focus on who wins the first couple of sprints rather than who is ready to last and win the whole 26 miles 385 yards. And we seem to be incapable of delienating the question of Who do I personally think would make a good President vs. Who do I predict will win? They're different questions. In any event, with respect to Energy Policy, I always perk up my ears when Kerry speaks, but as someone who prefers him to the present President, I'm also glad that he hits that them not-overly-often, to stay away from playing a strong card more than he perhaps should. That way, I think when he plays that card, it is more valuable and very effective in a long term win-the-race way. The only danger then would be to remind him to play the card sometimes, because we *do* need to hear strong criticism, at length, during this political season, of present horifically needlessly bad US Energy Policy. MM Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ There are worse things in life than death. Have you ever spent an evening with an insurance salesman? Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web,
Re: [biofuel] Re: Michigan Biodiesel makers?
about the diesel-electric hybrids; Maybe 15-20 years ago Mother Earth News had plans for converting a VW Bug to Hybrid. As I remember it used a motor/generator from a Jet engine (redilly available from GE, at the time, for about $900. an array of batteries, and a small generator up front under the hood, about 7-9 HP, one of the options was a lamborgini diesel. For smooth starts it had a Chopper made from a reworked(to make a rotary switch) generator from a '55 MG (lotsa luck) but I always thought that could easily be replaced with solid state electronics. does anyone else remember this? Best Regards Fred On Friday, Jan 16, 2004, at 20:11 US/Eastern, Erik Lane wrote: check this one out - a hybrid dodge ram with a cummins diesel. http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=4581 kind of limited, but at least they're moving in the right direction. don't know of any cars, but i wouldn't be surprised if there were some in europe where diesel is much better regarded overall. erik --- fireonyx0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That might be your problem right there. Think this is the second time Ive seen it. Methanol is wood alchohol. Menthol is a mint flavoring. I believe these 2 things are completely different! Maybe one of the veterans can correct me if im wrong here. menthol How much have you spent for the menthol per gal. ping BTW, Hello list! Im new to all this, but it has caught my attention. Ive been lurking on the forum for about a week now. Im also from Michigan... but as I dont have a diesel (YET!) Bio-diesol is rather un-important to me. But Ethenol additive for my gas A few questions... On the journey to forever website it mentions Molecular Sieves (mostly by Ken Provost.) How effective are the sieves? Enough that combining the resulting ethenol and gasoline wont seperate or cause problems due to high water content? After the initial setup of the stand and destiller, how cost effective is creating your own anhydrous ethenol? And a breakdown of costs... such as it costs $X dollars of sugar or plant stock per gallon... etc? Also I havent been able to find any mention of the remaining seed- cakes from an oil press could be used as starting stock for ethenol? Can yeast process oil-type seeds? What part is the yeast processing? The oils, or the remaining seed? As I dont live on a farm, and have no interest in eating seed-cakes if I was to process my own oil for bio-diesel, Id want to be the most efficient I could be with purchasing supplies (from local farmers of course!). Also, are there any Diesel-Electric hybrids (car or truck) out yet? Or any plans on making such a machine? Maybe even a kit? (Wishful thinking mostly, but hey, its possible!) I know, lots o questions, and used search but the search feature or the archives dont go back that far. Thanks, Andrew Buis __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine. Che Guevara Same struggle same fight Human freedom, animal rights Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Political SPAM Alert: open Letter from Muslim community
Hi not only did all the way to paragraph 5, but I forwarded it to a friend who works for answer and nlg . I'm always amused by what shows up on the biofuel group. Fred On Wednesday, Jan 14, 2004, at 23:11 US/Eastern, Appal Energy wrote: That wasn't quite spam Tony. Not quite biofuels related, or at least not directly, but certainly not spam. It was posted by a list member who thought there might be some merit in forwarding it. If I were making book, I'd lay 3:1 that you didn't read past the first mention of Muslim and mobilize. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tony Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: [biofuel] Political SPAM Alert: open Letter from Muslim community Please leave your spam off this discussion board. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/14/2004 10:16:31 AM Hi all, foregive me to post this open Letter from the Muslim community but it deserves the attention of any peaceloving individual Background: A call to mobilize against colonial occupations on March 20th, 2004, was issued and endorsed by a large nationwide coalition of organizations and communities that included the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition; Al-Awda, the Palestine Right to Return Coalition; the National Lawyers Guild; the Arab Muslim American Federation; the Free Palestine Alliance-USA; the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation; and the Muslim Student Association of the U.S. and Canada. The National Council of Arab Americans (NCAA) supported this call in full. The call to mobilize demanded ending all colonial occupations from Iraq to Palestine to everywhere. It also called for bringing the troops home NOW without delay, and for opposing giving an international cover to the colonial occupation of Iraq. Some sectors in the anti-war movement objected to and are organizing against these demands, insisting that Palestine be dropped from the call for March 20 (as these same sectors have often demanded), and that internationalizing the occupation of Iraq should remain a viable option. As a result, and in the context of a long history of being silenced and marginalized, the Arab-American and Muslim community prepared this open letter to the movement. An Open Letter from the Arab-American and Muslim Community to the US Anti-War Movement Dear peace and justice organizations and activists, On March 20, 2004, the world will mobilize against war and colonial occupations. The significance of this historic day is evident to all and requires no further elaboration. The political clarity and character of this mobilization in the US, however, remains illusive. This is where our community stands: In confronting war, the people of Palestine and Iraq have paid dearly. They stand against the imperial project shoulder to shoulder with communities of color and the working class in the United States, along with great many subjugated peoples around the globe - from Afghanistan to Colombia, and from the Philippines to Vieques, and on. Without a doubt, the Palestinian and Iraqi people are both welded together in an inextricable unity at the forefront of the global anti-war movement, transforming themselves as a whole as its embodiment and paying in its defense with the dearest of all - their very existence. Yet, despite every home destroyed, child murdered, acre confiscated and tree uprooted, town colonized and ethnically cleansed, wall built, refugee remaining nation-less, and incremental robbery of their self-determination, they remain the very antithetical formulation of empire and with a vision of justice for all. In the United States, we, Arab-Americans and Muslims have been maliciously targeted, stripped of our rights, and positioned outside the constitutional framework of this country. A new COINTELPRO has been unleashed against our homes and living rooms, as our fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters are plucked away and thrown into unknown prison cells. Thus, in a continuum of history, we stand with African Americans, Japanese Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, and all others in the painful struggle for justice. From them all, we take our cue, for they are our predecessors and our partners in this long march. Accordingly, we the undersigned hereby declare that: 1. We do not accept delinking the struggle of the Palestinian people from the anti-war movement, and regard the struggle in Palestine, as it is viewed worldwide, to be central to any peace and justice mobilization. 2. We insist that the Palestinian right to return and to self-determination are the key anchors of the Palestinian struggle, and that organizations that attempt to diminish, sidetrack, or abrogate these rights, regardless of any other position they may take on Palestine, are acting contrary to the will and aspiration of the Palestinian people. 3. We
Re: [biofuels-biz] Greenhouse gas 'plan B' gaining support
Heard it here first? Those of you familiar with Levi's Goat of Mendez have read it on his arms Solve Coagula Fred On Friday, Dec 12, 2003, at 06:49 US/Eastern, Keith Addison wrote: Contraction Convergence - you read it here first, folks, three years ago: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/1539/ Subject: climate change, 10 Dec 2000 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/27393/ Subject: Contraction and Convergence, 23 Aug 2003 Check out Aubrey Meyer's Global Commons Institute (GCI): http://gci.org.uk/ For an introduction to the ideas behind Contraction and Convergence, see: http://www.gci.org.uk/contconv/cc.html Some info about the book, Contraction Convergence - The Global Solution to Climate Change: http://www.gci.org.uk/ccbook.html - http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4467 New Scientist Greenhouse gas 'plan B' gaining support 19:00 10 December 03 The Kyoto protocol is dying a death of a thousand cuts. Last week, the US reiterated that it wants nothing to do with the sole international agreement designed to save the world from runaway global warming. The European Union, Kyoto's main promoter, revealed that most of its members will not meet their treaty's obligations. And Russia once again seemed to be on the point of wrecking the protocol completely. These blows follow a history of bureaucratic squabbling and political posturing by the protocol's signatories, and many observers now fear that it has been damaged beyond repair. So does the world have a plan B for bringing the emissions of greenhouse gases under control? Contraction Convergence model The answer is yes, and it goes by the name contraction and convergence, or CC. The idea has been around for a decade, but lately it has been gaining ever more influential converts, such as the UK's Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution, the UN Environment Programme, the European Parliament and the German Advisory Council on Global Change, which last week released a report supporting the idea. A source within the German delegation in Milan said this week that his government was taking the idea very seriously indeed. Even observers outside the environmental establishment, such as the World Council of Churches, back the proposal. Simple and fair For the past two weeks, representatives from around the world have been in Milan, Italy, for COP9, the ninth annual meeting of signatories to the 1992 Framework Convention on Climate Change. Many of them now privately admit that CC is what we have been waiting for. While Kyoto has become a convoluted, arbitrary and short-term measure to mitigate climate change, CC could provide a simple, fair, long-term solution. And above all, it is based on science rather than politics. The contraction in CC is shorthand for reducing the total global output of greenhouse gases. At the Earth Summit in Rio in 1992, the world's governments agreed to act to prevent dangerous climatic change. The Kyoto treaty was their first fumbling attempt to meet that pledge, and if implemented would set emissions targets for industrialised nations for the period 2008 to 2012. But increasing numbers of delegates are viewing Kyoto as part of the problem, not part of the solution. Its labyrinthine rules allow nations to offset emissions with devices such as carbon-sink projects, and are so complex they are virtually unenforceable. Even if Kyoto becomes international law, it cannot be the blueprint for future deals beyond 2012. A new start is needed. These delegates argue that it is time to get back to first principles to find a formula to fight the dangerous climate change mentioned in the Rio treaty. And there is an emerging consensus that dangerous means any warming in excess of 2 ¡C above pre-industrial levels; so far temperatures have risen by 0.6 ¡C. Drastic cuts To keep below the 2 ¡C ceiling will mean keeping global atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, the most important greenhouse gas, below about 450 parts per million. But because CO2 and other greenhouse gases linger in the atmosphere for a century or more, staying below that ceiling will mean drastic cuts in emissions over the next 50 years. The Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution has decided that a 60 per cent cut in global emissions by 2050 is needed, which the British government has adopted as its national target. But if the world is to manage such a transformation, then hard choices will have to be made. And that is where the convergence part of CC comes in. Industrialised nations have so far done most of the polluting. The US emits 25 times as much CO2 per head as India, for example, but if pollution is to be rationed, that cannot carry on. So under the CC proposals, national emissions will converge year by year towards some agreed target based upon each country's population (see graph). In effect, by a target
Re: [biofuel] price of world energy BD going up?
How about the price isn't going up, the value of the dollar is coming down. We won't be getting cheap imports much longer, but foreign markets will be opening up to us. Regards Fred On Wednesday, Dec 10, 2003, at 23:13 US/Eastern, Thor Skov wrote: The price of World Energy's biodiesel sold here in Seattle is going up on Monday the 15th by 15 cents to $3.10 a gallon. Any ideas as to the cause of this price hike? thor skov Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Two birds with one stone...
Hi The lecture I heard suggested inoculating the planet with lichens which, in about 100 years would turn enough co2 into oxygen as to make it breathable, and warm enough to live there. In your co2 dissasociation, I missed the part about where the methane came from. If you get your CO2 from composting, I think you already have Methane. I would very much like to know how to make methanol. in my backyard Best Regards Fred On Thursday, Dec 4, 2003, at 10:56 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/3/2003 9:00:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How hard would it be to filter CO2 from the air here on Earth, provide methane for fuel and release O2 to curb or reduce global warming? The CO2 in the Earth's atmoshere is a small fraction of one percent, but there are good sources of CO2, from brewing, composting, smoke, etc. O2 will not curb or reduce global warming, but it has value for other things, like breathing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine. Che Guevara Same struggle same fight Human freedom, animal rights Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol Process BioD
xmission.com does not acknowledge that that URL exists. Fred On Wednesday, Nov 26, 2003, at 14:02 US/Eastern, Dan Maker wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is anyone making progress on the reliability of this process, or defining the source oils that are easiest to crack with ethanol? Will the standard processor setup work? (ie - one that makes good bioD with methanol) Randal, I had a conversation with a chemist friend about this issue, here is a link to an html-ized transcript of that IRC conversation. It wanders a bit but has a lot of information you may find useful. I have not yet had a chance to try what we discuss there, and I don't think my friend has yet either. So what I'm sharing is theory, not practice based. http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard/notes-on-two-step-bio-diesel.html Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Our pentagrams are lovingly handwoven by magical people during the waxing moon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
so what would be a good gas to bubble through the biodiesel. Nitrogen does not strike me as a good one to use around glycerine, and Hydrogen would saturate any unsaturated biodiesel? Fred On Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003, at 14:07 US/Eastern, skillshare wrote: brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination. Brass contains copper and zinc, both catalysts for oxidation (I think) of biodiesel. Air bubbling is one way to speed up breakdown of biodiesel as well, very quickly. go stainless. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask Ken Provost about his better longer lasting bubbler. I use it now and it works great. For some reason I was also using standard bubblers that would degrade quite rapidly with BD contact, then I transitioned to Ken's design which is all brass. James Slayden On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Tan wrote: Keith, It seems my bubble stones clog up with soap and sometimes with bd. A basketball pin (I think that's what it's called) is the thin metal tube you insert into a basketball or any other ball to inflate it. I'm thinking that to make a jet of air in water, a strong pump is needed. But perhaps you are right. I might be an over kill and I may end up with biodiesel icing. =) Thanks, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:16 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly = = =Hello Chris = =Hi all: = =Could you give your input on this? = =How about using a basketball pin and a portable air compressor (the kind =used to inflate tires) to deliver a jet of air into a bd wash tank? = =Sounds like severe overkill. But I don't know what a basketball pin is. = =I found =that using aquarium type bubble stones tend to clog up after a few wash. = =Clog up with what? = =Best = =Keith = = = =Do =you think this idea could work? = =Thanks, = =Chris = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What Is Synthetic Oil Made Of?
Hi I think they are all plant based. Read the amsoil.com site. They have a really good bypass system. Fred On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 00:16 US/Eastern, Maud Essen wrote: My new 1984 Mercedes 300DT is going to need an oil change right away. Naturally I would like to consider using a non-petroleum-based oil. What are synthetic oils made of? Snips and snails and puppy-dog tails? Sugar and spice and all things nice? In other words, are any/some/all synthetic oils non-petroleum? Are any particular brands better than others? If I use synthetic oil (which I believe is much more expensive) should I Get Real about one of those bypass filtering systems that were recently discussed? Thank you. Maud Trying to do the right thing in St. Louis, MO Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine. Che Guevara Same struggle same fight Human freedom, animal rights Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Genetically modified oil seeds
How about GM rapeseed with a denaturant (NOT TO BE EATEN) that produces 10 times as much oil as non GM rapeseed. Maybe you could treat the seeds with BGH. Fred On Wednesday, Aug 6, 2003, at 11:45 US/Eastern, Keith Addison wrote: Joaquin Brintrup wrote: Hi, does anybody know if there is someone working on genetic modification of canola, or any other seed to make a better oil for biofuels? Better in which way? Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ First they came for the hackers. But I never did anything illegal with my computer, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the pornographers. But I thought there was too much smut on the Internet anyway, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the anonymous remailers. But a lot of nasty stuff gets sent from anon.penet.fi, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the encryption users. But I could never figure out how to work PGP anyway, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for me. And by that time there was no one left to speak up. Alara Rogers, Aleph Press [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Fw: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel and your website.
Hi not only is this a good idea, if you are in to proselitizing, but you might want to check into the FFA convention, and conventions for automotive engineering students, and petrochemical engineers also. Fred On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 01:53 US/Eastern, william d thompson wrote: Keith asked me to post this to the group. There have been four other events in my life where I have said,I will, and was not even close to conscious of what I had just said. Is this about to be #5? - Forwarded Message - From: william d thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:16:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel and your website. Okay, I am beginning to see a larger picture than just biodiesel. I just returned from a one week class re agriculture for non ag teachers. I was in Nashville Tennessee three weeks ago for the national convention of Ag In The Classroom. It is heavily involved with the Farm Bureau. The AITC conference will be held in New Mexico next year. I want to go as a participating presenter with a demonstration of how to make biodiesel. I personally have four diesel powered vehicles, so I am not just academically looking for something to do. If I can convert people one to five gallons at a time, I will have succeeded in accomplishing my mission. At the AITC conference (600 people with reps from 46 continental states, Hawaii and Samoa)there were two discussion groups re alternaive fuels, but no demonstrations or info on how to go back home and make it happen. Am I seeing an opportunity or am I in over my head? Bill ThompsonSalem,Oregon . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sO0ANB/LIdGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Our pentagrams are lovingly handwoven by magical people during the waxing moon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: dewatering WVO
Terry, No - I just read about lithium chloride being a drying agent a couple of days ago. They said nothing about how to use it. I made that part up and ran it up the flagpole. Calcium chloride is alot cheaper and available at the local farm feed store. It would be great if it could dry wvo. What is the process you use to dry wvo with calcium chloride. I gather from your email that you mix it with the wvo and it facilitates seperation. Then you drain it off before going to the reeactor. I'll try it' thanks Fred On Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003, at 00:44 US/Eastern, lohnestd wrote: Fred, have you seen this method work? I would think the CaCl would go into solution as it absorbed any water in the oil, then that salt solution would be carried into the reactor with your clean oil. Unless you drain the salt solution off before the Methanol and catalyst is added, I think you'll still have a soap problem. Terry --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi is this anything like pouring your filtered wvo through a vertical pvc pipe full of dry lithium chloride pellets on the way to the 200 l. reactor? why is the calcium chloride in solution? I also would be interested in the picture. Thank You for offering. fred On Monday, Jul 21, 2003, at 10:28 US/Eastern, Brent S wrote: I would be interested in the picture. I also am trying a similar process, but using silica acrylate. Brent From: lohnestd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: dewatering WVO Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:54:32 - Hello all, This problem is something I noticed right away when I started reading into how biodiesel is made, and the pitfalls associated with the process (i.e making soap instead of fuel.) As a chemical engineer, I figured there had to be a way to separate the emulsified oil chemically. Right now, I'm experimenting with separation of 80% soybean oil, 20% water (emulsified in a blender) using a CaCl salt solution at varying concentrations and temperatures. CaCl, better known as driveway ice melting salt, is cheap and easy to come by even in Washington State where we don't get much ice. I've already done some preliminary separations in jars, and it's AMAZING how fast you get separation. CaCl is very low on the toxicity scale, and I'm hoping the minimum concentration and temperature will be low, saving both energy and time. I would appreciate any feedback; I have a picture of the apparatus I'm using in case anyone is interested. Terry Lohnes --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or into the drains and landfillsin a big way!! Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 09:55 PM, Appal Energy wrote: In the United States WVO primarily goes towards animal feed as an energy quotient, the cosmetics industry, the oleo-chemicals industry in general and to third world countries as refined yellow grease for edible purposes. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Christopher Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] dewatering WVO Hi Keith: Any idea what the recyclers do with WVO? I talked to a couple of restaurants and found out that there are people who buy their WVO. The restaurants don't have a clue what is done with the WVO. Regards, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:56 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] dewatering WVO = = =Hey Kieth- = =Which restaurants did you learn not to eat at, and why? = =Best Regards, = =John D, in Ohio = = =Hello John = =As a general rule we've found the cheaper the restaurant the worse =the WVO - more abused, cooked longer and probably hotter before being =renewed, higher FFA levels. Others say the same in other countries. =I'm sure there are exceptions but I've yet to find one. One real =cheap eatery in Chiba used quite a lot of oil but didn't have any WVO =for us - they used it all up! Ulp... I definitely wouldn't eat =anything that'd been cooked in some of the WVO we've had, lethal I =reckon. As the prices rise so does the WVO quality. The very good =stuff that's hardly been used at all comes from the classy joints, =but it can be hard to get hold of - the waste recyclers seem to like =it for the same reasons we do. = =We don't do restaurants now, one step back in the chain, much better. =Also one step forward: quite a lot of the organic farmers here are =using our biodiesel in their tractors. Most of them sell most of =their produce direct to consumers via teikeis (face-to- face), the =Japanese version of CSAs (Community Supported Agriculture), and =apparently the original inspiration for CSAs. Midori, my
Re: [biofuel] Re: dewatering WVO
Hi is this anything like pouring your filtered wvo through a vertical pvc pipe full of dry lithium chloride pellets on the way to the 200 l. reactor? why is the calcium chloride in solution? I also would be interested in the picture. Thank You for offering. fred On Monday, Jul 21, 2003, at 10:28 US/Eastern, Brent S wrote: I would be interested in the picture. I also am trying a similar process, but using silica acrylate. Brent From: lohnestd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: dewatering WVO Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:54:32 - Hello all, This problem is something I noticed right away when I started reading into how biodiesel is made, and the pitfalls associated with the process (i.e making soap instead of fuel.) As a chemical engineer, I figured there had to be a way to separate the emulsified oil chemically. Right now, I'm experimenting with separation of 80% soybean oil, 20% water (emulsified in a blender) using a CaCl salt solution at varying concentrations and temperatures. CaCl, better known as driveway ice melting salt, is cheap and easy to come by even in Washington State where we don't get much ice. I've already done some preliminary separations in jars, and it's AMAZING how fast you get separation. CaCl is very low on the toxicity scale, and I'm hoping the minimum concentration and temperature will be low, saving both energy and time. I would appreciate any feedback; I have a picture of the apparatus I'm using in case anyone is interested. Terry Lohnes --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or into the drains and landfillsin a big way!! Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 09:55 PM, Appal Energy wrote: In the United States WVO primarily goes towards animal feed as an energy quotient, the cosmetics industry, the oleo-chemicals industry in general and to third world countries as refined yellow grease for edible purposes. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Christopher Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] dewatering WVO Hi Keith: Any idea what the recyclers do with WVO? I talked to a couple of restaurants and found out that there are people who buy their WVO. The restaurants don't have a clue what is done with the WVO. Regards, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:56 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] dewatering WVO = = =Hey Kieth- = =Which restaurants did you learn not to eat at, and why? = =Best Regards, = =John D, in Ohio = = =Hello John = =As a general rule we've found the cheaper the restaurant the worse =the WVO - more abused, cooked longer and probably hotter before being =renewed, higher FFA levels. Others say the same in other countries. =I'm sure there are exceptions but I've yet to find one. One real =cheap eatery in Chiba used quite a lot of oil but didn't have any WVO =for us - they used it all up! Ulp... I definitely wouldn't eat =anything that'd been cooked in some of the WVO we've had, lethal I =reckon. As the prices rise so does the WVO quality. The very good =stuff that's hardly been used at all comes from the classy joints, =but it can be hard to get hold of - the waste recyclers seem to like =it for the same reasons we do. = =We don't do restaurants now, one step back in the chain, much better. =Also one step forward: quite a lot of the organic farmers here are =using our biodiesel in their tractors. Most of them sell most of =their produce direct to consumers via teikeis (face-to- face), the =Japanese version of CSAs (Community Supported Agriculture), and =apparently the original inspiration for CSAs. Midori, my partner at =Journey to Forever, made flyers for them to put in the delivery boxes =with all the veggies, with a photo of the happy organic farmer =driving his biod-fuelled tractor and explaining a bit about it. And, =as hoped, the consumers are now starting to send the WVO from their =home kitchens back to the farmers in the empty boxes. So the farmers =are now moving towards making their own fuel from their customers' =used cooking oil, quite nice. The oil itself is as good as the best =stuff we get, hardly used at all, not overheated, very low titration, =no water content. Maybe that's because these are organic produce =consumers and perhaps more aware of food and health issues, but maybe =not. We've also been offered oil by a women's group that's into waste =recycling and collects WVO at household level. They make soap out of =it but they have too much and don't have a good market for the soap. =These aren't organic consumers, so we'll see. Probably it's also =high-quality
Re: [biofuel] A thought on Hydrogen vs. Ethanol vs. Whatever
Hi My recollection is that a diesel engine is only about 21% efficient. Fred On Wednesday, Jul 16, 2003, at 21:17 US/Eastern, robert luis rabello wrote: murdoch wrote: Ethanol is produced, distributed and sold in virtually every nation on earth. It is easy to do, and operates under some severe restrictions in some countries, ostensibly because it can be sold as a drug (i.e. alcohol). This is a serious impediment. Ethanol is the easiest renewable fuel to convert for an externally mixed, spark ignited engine. I'm confident that with high pressure fuel injection, it would be even easier. The legal paranoia about non taxed ethanol sales leads to some very restrictive legislation. Here in Canada, it is illegal to own and operate an ethanol still as an individual. If I own a company, I can apply for a permit, but it can never be sold or dismantled without permission. What I wish to examine is whether a commonly available and easily produced chemical such as ethanol (or methanol, or any of a variety of chemicals) wouldn't be, in some ways and cases, superior to Hydrogen. In my view, and I have been a hydrogen fuel enthusiast for many years, is that ethanol beats hydrogen as a transportation fuel hands down. It's easier and cheaper to produce. It's easier and safer to handle, and it requires significantly fewer engine modifications than hydrogen. Getting around the legal issues is ethanol's biggest hurdle. I wonder if Hydrogen is being suggested as a sort of cure-all for World Energy storage and conversion in part because it is a solution which favors larger businesses and the like rather than at-home producers and distributors and users. In the case of Mr. Bush's proposal, I think you're bang on. However, hydrogen CAN be produced at home with relatively simple and inexpensive equipment. Storage is a serious issue that has to be dealt with wisely. I was trying to envision someone living on a few acres with a year-round stream. Could they make and store and use their own hydrogen? Yes, if the creek had enough volume and vertical fall. Would it be easier to do this with ethanol or some other more-common and more easily handled chemical? I think so. As we go forward, devices are being researched with great earnestness that will allow the everyday person to manufacture and store hydrogen, hopefully without too much fanfare. Good. That Hydrogen can readily be used in fuel cells seems to not be in doubt. The need for hydrogen stems from the fact that all bets seem to be on proton exchange membranes for fuel cells. This technology requires very pure hydrogen. Right now, the best fuel cells are running in the 30% efficiency range on pure hydrogen. A decent diesel engine beats this hands down, represents a significantly lower capital investment and is mature technology ready for use right now. Further, less than completely pure hydrogen could be run in a modified spark ignited engine, and if that engine is designed intelligently, its efficiency would exceed that of a fuel cell--and again, for a LOT less money. Less than completely pure hydrogen can be derived from steam reformed wood gas. For stationary applications in areas with excess biomass, this approach makes a lot of sense and effectively eliminates storage concerns. I'm very skeptical of the current administration's drive for hydrogen. But I wonder if the same level of earnestness is being put into researching fuel cells that could more easily use already-easily-produceable chemicals such as ethanol. I have seen little or no evidence of this. A few years ago, I attended an investment seminar in this area. A gentleman designed an ethanol fuel cell around a monopole motor, with a clever centrifugal mechanism for removing the waste chalk. This idea could be coupled with an electric drive train to eliminate range concerns with battery electric vehicles. As far as I know, the ethanol fuel cell idea didn't pan out--not because it wasn't a good idea, but because everyone was so afraid of monopole motors (which are supposed to be inefficient, I've heard) the company couldn't raise enough money to move forward. All of the stories I've seen which suggest an attempt to use non-Hydrogen alternatives in fuel cells seem to focus on those fuels which are presently products of the fossil fuel industry (natural gas, gasoline) and which are not quite as readily produced or handled or stored at home. There's a reason for that. . . This is a sloppy hypothesis, and I do not suggest it will hold up firmly, but when we consider the present hurdles to the everyday guy making and storing and using his own H2, I had to wonder out loud a bit. I've been down this road so many times, I've worn ruts where my tired feet have trod! robert luis
Re: [biofuel] Extreme Threat To Class Action Lawsuits
Oh, it gets worse, my love. When I went down to Bar/Bri to pick up my MPRE materials, I talked to a GW student who told me that GW had just shut down its environmental law clinic and its environmental law journal. Who cares about the environment when we have PROFITS to consider. Same Struggle, Same Fight. Human Freedom, Animal Rights. On Friday, Jul 11, 2003, at 23:12 US/Eastern, Keith Addison wrote: Extreme Threat To Class Action Lawsuits Rachel's Environment Health News #768 July 10, 2003: Sometime during July, right-wing extremists in Congress expect to achieve another major milestone in their radical revamping of the U.S. court system. If they attain their goal, successful environmental class-action lawsuits will become as rare as Dodo birds. Class action lawsuits are the only effective remedy when large numbers of people are harmed but each person sustains relatively small damages, making individual lawsuits inefficient or impossible. An example would be the current lawsuit being pursued by 6000 residents of Louisiana who say that a Mobil Oil refinery discharged 3.4 million gallons of untreated industrial wastes that contaminated their drinking water. No individual plaintiff could take on Mobil alone, but the total damage may be large, so a class action is the right vehicle for pursuing a remedy. Class action suits are an essential component of a balanced legal system that is supposed to provide a check on the misdeeds of the powerful, such as oil corporations, by raising the threat of substantial financial penalties. With large numbers of right-wing extremists now sitting in Congress, corporations see an opportunity to derail class actions. So the elected representatives of the insurance, medical, chemical, oil, and automobile corporations are pushing a new law intended to stifle class actions. The proposed Class Action Fairness Act has already passed the U.S. House of Representatives (H.R. 2115) and is expected to come up for a U.S. Senate vote (S. 274) during July. If the proposed law passes, it will severely restrict, if not totally derail, class-action lawsuits on behalf of the environment, workers, consumers, and civil rights plaintiffs such as people of color, people with disabilities, and women. Few in the environmental community have been paying attention as this bill has made its way through the legislative process. Corporations, on the other hand, know exactly what's at stake and they have poured money and resources into this fight. At last count, corporations had 475 paid lobbyists working to push this bill through the Senate -- nearly five corporate lobbyists for each U.S. senator. The insurance industry alone has 139 lobbyists promoting the bill. Health maintenance organizations have 59 lobbyists pressing their case; banks and consumer credit corporations have 39; automobile corporations have 32; the chemical industry has 20 and the oil corporations have another 19. If this proposed law didn't matter, would corporations field such an army? To inform yourself about this proposed law, you can check with Public Citizen at http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/class_action/articles.cf m?ID=9320. For details, you can read their 95-page report, Unfairness Incorporated: The Corporate Campaign Against Consumer Class Actions (June, 2003), available at http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/class_action/articles.cf m?ID=9846 . You can also learn about the proposed law from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce at http://www.uschamber.com/Search/SearchResults.asp?ct=USCCq1=cl ass+action+fairness+act . If you decided you wanted to weigh in on this issue, you could call both of your U.S. senators and give them an earful. (To find your senators and their phone numbers, go to http://www.senate.gov/ .) Proponents of the bill reportedly have at least 55 senate votes in the bag already, so the only way to stop this juggernaut would be a filibuster. (Extremists in Congress are working to revise the filibuster rule, too.) Essentially the proposed law moves all class action lawsuits out of state courts and into federal courts, which are already clogged and fraught with delays, and where the rules and most of the the judges are biased against environmental, labor, consumer and civil rights plaintiffs such as women, people of color and people with disabilities. Much of the federal court system is now grossly pro-corporate, often to an extreme degree. This is no accident. Making the courts friendly to corporations has been high on the agenda of the right wing for 30 years. The reason is simple: there are only about 900 federal judges. They are appointed by the President, not elected. The Senate must approve their appointment but by gentleman's agreement it is rare for the Senate to veto a judicial appointment. Federal judges serve for life, so once they are appointed they become unstoppable. They also have almost
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's
Hi Greg and April, Lojack does not have GPS yet that they admit too. From their web sight: Through an unequalled and highly successful relationship with police departments around the country, LoJack is the only provider of vehicle recovery systems directly connected to state crime computers. LoJack provides police departments with special tracking technology for local, county and state police squad cars and aviation units. The patented LoJack system includes a small radio-frequency transceiver that is hidden in the vehicle at the time of installation. When the vehicle theft is reported to the police, the unit is automatically activated, which causes silent radio signals to be emitted from the transceiver. The police are able to follow the signal to locate and recover the vehicle. Onstar say's: Q. How does OnStar work? A. OnStar uses existing emergency service providers, cellular telephone and satellite technologies. It operates alongside the electrical system in your vehicle and is powered by your vehicle's battery. If your vehicle's battery is damaged or disconnected, our service will not function. OnStar uses an analog cellular network maintained by separate cellular companies. This provides the broadest geographic coverage of any current wireless system in the United States and Canada. On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 00:17 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: Then how does Lojack Onstar work? Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:54 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Hi I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be charged for what they don't use ether. Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. Greg H. - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. THERE ... car registration files ... with how many miles it had traveled tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it took ... etc. No odometer reading necessary. Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order fast! FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. Shop at Myinks.com! http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific High above the ether capacious Like a mineral carbonaceous. Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel
Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] Re: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!
Hi I could talk for hours but my fingers can't type that much. Judism and christianity( the Jesus version, not the Paul/Bush (in that bush uses the same techniques now as Paul did then to further his own agenda) version) are not the same, or much of a continum or evolution. The god worshipped by the early Jews was an ancient desert warrior god, probably Sumarian, possibly Marduk. Does it show? When they moved to Isreal did it re-assert itself? The radical religious activist Jesus said you were tought an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth but I bring to you a new covenant, that ye love one another more later fred On Monday, Jul 7, 2003, at 19:01 US/Eastern, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo, Monday, 07 July, 2003, 15:59:13, you wrote: WC Pardon me, but no abortion providers that I know of have ever claimed to be WC instructed by God. Invoking the name of God has been the cover for the WC deaths of millions of people throughout history. No argument here. The God which Christians, Jesusonians, Muslims, Jews and others worship is the God of love and only that which comes from love is of God which certainly leaves out anything violent or deadly. WC Also, it is pretty clear to me that God through Jesus Christ has instructed WC us to embrace love of our enemies, not destruction. People who proclaim WC themselves Christians and use the name of God to justify war are hypocrites. WC I challenge any Christian (a religion based on the commandments of Christ) WC to reference any scripture in the gospels (containing the only record of WC Christ's words to us) which command or suggest that war be a remedy for WC anything. Actually Bill, the Christian religion is not based on the commandments of Christ as it is a religion about Jesus neither the religion or gospel of Jesus. Paul, who is the primary architect of the Christian religion, is quite clear in Romans (2:16)that the gospel he (and the rest) preaches is his (Paul's) gospel not that of Jesus. Much of what Paul condones and preaches in Romans and elsewhere directly contradicts what Jesus taught. Paul's intentions were to form a church based on Jesus but good intentions do not necessarily lead to truth. It is eminently clear that Paul and the others did not have a good understanding of what Jesus was saying. Personally, I don't think any of them would recognize a metaphor if one came up and bit them in the ass. While the New Testament is infinitely better than the Old Testament it still has enough spiritual error and downright evil in it to give one pause. None of this can be attributed to Jesus but to the error of the disciples and apostles. The primary error is that of where the authority is placed. The apostles wanted it placed in the written word when it should rightfully be placed with God. The scripture and God are not tautologous. Please keep in mind that the above comes from one who is a firm believer in Jesus Christ and God. WC Abortion has no place in this discussion. Attempts to cast people into one WC camp or the other are just a smoke screen to cover lack of persuasive WC arguments concerning the topic at hand, pre-emptive war based on WC questionable facts. It is an old trick of those in power to keep one group against another which keeps their gaze fixed on each other and off the problem. If we argue religion, liberal vs. conservative politics, abortion, etc. we are ignoring the real problem which causes those in power to get their grins. All the hogs feed from the same trough no matter race, creed, religion or national origin. Hope I haven't offended anyone as such was not my intent. Happy Happy, Gustl WC Bill C. WC - Original Message - WC From: k5farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] WC To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com WC Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:06 PM WC Subject: [biofuel] Re: Stop the crazy son of a Bush! --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith, I forgot to mention that God told me to do it is a very common explanation from the most famous serial killers in our history. LOL Hakan The God that told the liberals to start killing unborn? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ WC Biofuel at Journey to Forever: WC http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html WC Biofuels list archives: WC http://archive.nnytech.net/ WC Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. WC To unsubscribe, send an email to: WC [EMAIL PROTECTED] WC Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dead car???
what year jetta? I would be interested in buying it too. fred If it is a 92 jetta, and the rest is ok, I would put in a used transmission. about $600 for parts and the same for labor. This is a very collectable car. you should check it out on carguys.com. also, it may not be the transmission. check the linkage and the oil level. these transmissions usually won't die unless they run out of oil (leak). and the transmission linkage is a normally replaceable. You can get kits at stevesvw.com and alot of other parts. Regards Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 08:57 US/Eastern, Stanley Baer wrote: If the Jetta has the turbo diesel motor and the transmission really is wrecked, I'd be intereested in buying it. stan Grahams wrote: We were just given a VW Jetta. It had 25 miles, but ran fine. My daughter, 19, who was to get the car, seems to have killed the transmission practicing learning to drive stick. It seems to only want to go into third gear now. I tagged it, and had it inspected. I put two new tires on it and a new battery. What do you all think I should do with it? Junk it? fix it... any idea on cost? Or what is wrong? I don't want to tow it in for an estimate if I should junk it- (the junk yard is across the highway, ;) Any body need a couple of new Jetta tires? (weep weep) I am in VA, if someone is interested in this project car. Caroline Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here! http://rd.yahoo.com/M=244522.3512152.4794593.1261774/D=egroupweb/ S=1705083269:HM/A=1595055/R=0/SIG=1247d4o3g/*http://ashnin.com/clk/ muryutaitakenattogyo?YH=3512152yhad=1595055 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Inkjet cartridges up to 80% off. HP, Epson, Lexmark--we have your brand. Free shipping on every order to the U.S. and Canada! Excellent service. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/QWB0QC/.eUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's
Hi I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be charged for what they don't use ether. Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. Greg H. - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. THERE ... car registration files ... with how many miles it had traveled tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it took ... etc. No odometer reading necessary. Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order fast! FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. Shop at Myinks.com! http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific High above the ether capacious Like a mineral carbonaceous. Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Help with some simple numbers?CATCH 22
Hi and lest we forget the new technology on the horizon, we can turn all that left over manure into petrochemicals via depolymerization. Fred On Wednesday, Jul 2, 2003, at 08:04 US/Eastern, Kim Garth Travis wrote: If we disposed of all manure in a eco friendly manner, that would supply all the fertilizer necessary for all the farms and clean up a good deal of the pollution. Fertilizer from petrochemicals is not needed in any sane farming scheme. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:41 PM 7/1/2003 -0500, you wrote: CATCH 22 only 1/3 of the petroleum drawn is used as fuel; 5/12th is used as fertilizer, other fractions as lubicants, chemicals,dyes, explosives, plastics, etc bio diesel can solve some of the transport probs but we need the fertilizer to grow BIODIESEL. ---Original Message--- From: Tim Castleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06/30/03 01:17 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Help with some simple numbers? Can I get some help with these simple calculations? US petroleum consumption is 19.65 Million Barrels per day, or about 7 Billion barrels per year. (http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/ 2002/htm l/table_04_01.html) If we could get 2 barrels (88 gallons) of biofuel from each acre of farmland, we would need 3.5 Billion acres to meet our demand. We only have 335 Million acres of Farmland in the US. (http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/meta/m5970.html) That means that even if we stopped growing food entirely, we would still come up over 3 BILLION acres short. If we find a way to get 10 barrels from each acre (440 gallons), we could nearly cover our consumption, but would have no place to grow any food. If we find a way to get 20 barrels per acre (880 gallons), we could do it with about half of the farmland available. Do these simple numbers look right? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Our pentagrams are lovingly handwoven by magical people during the waxing moon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WW2,peroxide power
Pilot's seat? in a German rocket? On Saturday, Jun 21, 2003, at 07:02 US/Eastern, gobie wrote: - Original Message - From: greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WW2,peroxide power i think it was the me 162 The ME-163 looks like what we are after. from http://www.oldgloryprints.com/Herman's%20Comet.htm (good picture) The Me-163 Komet. A rocket powered plane used to intercept raiding American B-17's and '24's. As the Komet was about 250 MPH faster than the target, and only flew for about 3 minutes, they proved to be very exciting (to the pilot), but relative ineffective in combat. The original aircraft used a highly volatile 2 part liquid propulsion rocket engine for power and had a little propeller on the front as a wind powered generator. The plane was basically a fuel bomb with wings. The Komet was the first rocket-powered fighter to be placed in active duty. It was a very beautiful, well-designed and airworthy craft with a small drawback; It was deadly! If that simply had referred to the enemy facing the Komet, it wouldn't be much of a drawback, but unfortunately the pilot and the ground crew were the ones who were in the greatest danger. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.walker6/komet/flight/flight3.htm A Hellmuth Walter Kiel Kommandogesellschaft HWK 109-509 bi-fueled rocket powered the first B-model Komets. Throttle positions of off, Idle, 1st, 2nd and 3rd stages thrust were controllable from 220 lb. to 3,307 lb. The engine dimensions: length-8 ft. 3.5 in.; height-2 ft. 11 in. Total weight was 813 lb. (fuels system 441 lb.; motor 366 lb., control system 7 lb.). The 163B was propelled by fuels coded T-Stoff and C-Stoff. C-Stoff was a mixture of 57% methyl alcohol, 30% hydrazine hydrate and 13% water. T-Stoff was 80% concentrated hydrogen peroxide, to which some additional stabilizers were added. The T-Stoff fuel tank system consisted of a main fuselage tank and two smaller tanks on each side of the pilot's seat in the cockpit (see cockpit photo). Total fuel capacity was 3,717 lb. of T-Stoff and 1,032 lb. of C-Stoff. Interesting reading at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.walker6/komet/flight/flight1.htm Regards, Paul Gobert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Our pentagrams are lovingly handwoven by magical people during the waxing moon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush's Impeachment?
Hi When Nixon was being accused of lying, way back when, My professor, a lawyer, went ballistic because, he said it isnt against the law to lie unless you are under oath. Bush, when he makes his speeches, or gives press conferences, is not sworn in first. He is allowed to lie (legally) The only recourse is at the next election. and while I'm on my soapbox, how are we going to get a fair election? The politicians have been rigging the elections for years and not getting cought. It took the bushes to do such a sloppy job as to make it obvious there was skullduggery afoot. Maybe that's what Skull and Bones is about. The new computerized machines are a farce. I think you all know the buzz about that . So what are we going to do about it? Fred Anderson On Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003, at 00:49 US/Eastern, MH wrote: Published on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 by CommonDreams.org When Will House Republicans Call for Bush's Impeachment? by Steve Pittelli http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0617-09.htm It has now become clear that President Bush lied to the American people in order to promote a war. That war continues and has already led to the death of thousands of Iraqi civilians, hundreds of U.S. soldiers and countless Iraqi soldiers. In truth, Bushs lies are more than just lies. They are high crimes and the President should now be subject to impeachment. There are those who say that the Presidents current popularity or the Republican majority in the House and Senate preclude the possibility of his impeachment. Perhaps they are underestimating the moral integrity of our Republican congressmen. In fact, some of them have already publicly stated their opinions on this subject. They did so in February of 1999 when they served as Impeachment Trial Managers for the Senate Impeachment Trial of former President Clinton. Lets look at what they had to say then: Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Illinois), There is a visibility factor in the president's public acts, and those which betray a trust or reveal contempt for the law are hard to sweep under the rug...They reverberate, they ricochet all over the land and provide the worst possible example for our young people. Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisconsin) The truth is still the truth, and a lie is still a lie, and the rule of law should apply to everyone, no matter what excuses are made by the president's defendersWe have done so because of our devotion to the rule of law and our fear that if the president does not suffer the legal and constitutional consequences of his actions, the impact of allowing the president to stand above the law will be felt for generations to comelaws not enforced are open invitations for more serious and more criminal behavior. Steve Chabot (R-Ohio) It would be wrong for you to tell America's children that some lies are all right. It would be wrong to show the rest of the world that some of our laws don't really matter. Steve Buyer (R- Indiana) I have also heard some senators from both sides of the aisle state publicly: I think these offenses rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. Now, to state publicly that you believe that high crimes and misdemeanors have occurred but for some reason you have this desire not to remove the president -- that desire, though, does not square with the law, the Constitution, and the Senate's precedents for removing federal judges for similar offenses. Rep. Lindsey Graham (R - South Carolina, Now Senator) The president of the United States sets atop of the legal pyramid. If there's reasonable doubt about his ability to faithfully execute the laws of the land, our future would be better off if that individual is removed. And let me tell you where it all comes down to me. If you can go back and explain to your children and your constituents how you can be truthful and misleading at the same time, good luck. These, of course, are just a few examples. It is likely that most of those who voted to impeach Clinton are on record as to the high ethical standards they were following. Certainly, they must follow these same standards when considering Bushs egregious lies and the consequences of those lies. It is time to draft the Articles of Impeachment and let those who oppose them state why this case deserves more leniency than was given to former President Clinton. Steve Pitelli is a physician and peace activist living on the Central Coast of California. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions.
Re: [biofuel] re: Kerry Energy Plan
Hakan, try: http://www.kucinich.net/index.htm fred On Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003, at 10:19 US/Eastern, Hakan wrote: Fred, I have not heard about him, it is difficult to know all, being a foreigner. Hakan At 09:28 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote: Hi, How much have you considered Kucinach? What does he have to say about energy. Fred Anderson On Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003, at 15:55 US/Eastern, Hakan wrote: Do not misunderstand me, I prefer Kerry by thousands of miles before Bush. It is only that I cannot drum up any large enthusiasm for his Energy plan. Hakan At 12:04 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:39:33 +0200, you wrote: Tim, All what the current president and the presidents in waiting are playing with, is the dirty word coal. No real let up on environment here, they are all very careful in spelling it out. The largest reserves of coal are in US and former Soviet. The only fast way for hydrogen and synthetic fuels. It is also a Big Corporate Business with little possibilities of diversification, attractive for current energy interests. I hear about these energy plans and always think that here might be a guy who is getting things right, but I always get disappointed. It is more of the same, they are all in the same pockets and it is difficult to mobilize any enthusiasm for what they are saying. I like, but do not entirely agree with all of, Kerry's ideas on Energy.. On energy saving, it is even worse. They only have to start to use European automotive technology, which the US companies already have a stake in. They only have to copy the EU suggestion on thermal building codes. These two things will halt the spiraling growth in US energy use and could even result in lesser energy use year 2020. If you add to this an aggressive development of Ethanol, Biodiesel and the pickup of users PV/wind production of electricity, it could be some fast relief at the horizon. It will however give power to many small producers and difficult to consolidate with The Big Interests and the current financial backers of the politicians. Hakan I agree that we have had disappointement after disappointment with respect to U.S. politicians and their energy plans. Generally my disappointment is what they *don't* say or do, and not just what they say or do. I have tried to listen to Kerry. He spent a lot of time on the Energy Committee, and has heard a lot of testimony, including from Sustainable experts I imagine. The McCain-Kerry efforts on CAFE indicate his level of concern for improving mileage, even if you might not agree with many of his methods or suggestions (I don't always). He's the wealthiest man in the Senate (I've heard, his wife is from the Heinz Ketchup fortune?) and this might not make him popular with some, but perhaps could somewhat insulate him from the immediate influence of oil money in his proposals. On the war, he seems to have carved out an ability to speak well against Dictators in the Middle East while at the same time opposing some of President Bush's policies in a very strong way. This has not been an easy atmosphere in which to carve out such a stance. He also speaks from some authority on Military matters, since he's a respected Veteran and has been able to play this card well against Bush's non-Veteran status, without over-playing it. John Kerry of Massachusetts is not to be confused with Bob Kerrey (sp?) another Senator and Vietnam Veteran who has been discredited as having taken part in a massacre of Vietnamese noncombattants, or something like that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Destruction and Living Hell are, according to this map, just down the road a piece. I can't tell how far, since the scale of the map fluctuates. The Mogambo Guru, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] re: Kerry Energy Plan
Hi, How much have you considered Kucinach? What does he have to say about energy. Fred Anderson On Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003, at 15:55 US/Eastern, Hakan wrote: Do not misunderstand me, I prefer Kerry by thousands of miles before Bush. It is only that I cannot drum up any large enthusiasm for his Energy plan. Hakan At 12:04 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:39:33 +0200, you wrote: Tim, All what the current president and the presidents in waiting are playing with, is the dirty word coal. No real let up on environment here, they are all very careful in spelling it out. The largest reserves of coal are in US and former Soviet. The only fast way for hydrogen and synthetic fuels. It is also a Big Corporate Business with little possibilities of diversification, attractive for current energy interests. I hear about these energy plans and always think that here might be a guy who is getting things right, but I always get disappointed. It is more of the same, they are all in the same pockets and it is difficult to mobilize any enthusiasm for what they are saying. I like, but do not entirely agree with all of, Kerry's ideas on Energy.. On energy saving, it is even worse. They only have to start to use European automotive technology, which the US companies already have a stake in. They only have to copy the EU suggestion on thermal building codes. These two things will halt the spiraling growth in US energy use and could even result in lesser energy use year 2020. If you add to this an aggressive development of Ethanol, Biodiesel and the pickup of users PV/wind production of electricity, it could be some fast relief at the horizon. It will however give power to many small producers and difficult to consolidate with The Big Interests and the current financial backers of the politicians. Hakan I agree that we have had disappointement after disappointment with respect to U.S. politicians and their energy plans. Generally my disappointment is what they *don't* say or do, and not just what they say or do. I have tried to listen to Kerry. He spent a lot of time on the Energy Committee, and has heard a lot of testimony, including from Sustainable experts I imagine. The McCain-Kerry efforts on CAFE indicate his level of concern for improving mileage, even if you might not agree with many of his methods or suggestions (I don't always). He's the wealthiest man in the Senate (I've heard, his wife is from the Heinz Ketchup fortune?) and this might not make him popular with some, but perhaps could somewhat insulate him from the immediate influence of oil money in his proposals. On the war, he seems to have carved out an ability to speak well against Dictators in the Middle East while at the same time opposing some of President Bush's policies in a very strong way. This has not been an easy atmosphere in which to carve out such a stance. He also speaks from some authority on Military matters, since he's a respected Veteran and has been able to play this card well against Bush's non-Veteran status, without over-playing it. John Kerry of Massachusetts is not to be confused with Bob Kerrey (sp?) another Senator and Vietnam Veteran who has been discredited as having taken part in a massacre of Vietnamese noncombattants, or something like that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Destruction and Living Hell are, according to this map, just down the road a piece. I can't tell how far, since the scale of the map fluctuates. The Mogambo Guru, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Unions Back Research Plan for Energy
Shrub has a printing press fred On Thursday, Jun 12, 2003, at 09:36 US/Eastern, Appal Energy wrote: But they said the union leaders decided to delay sending the letter because they were waiting for several of the nation's largest environmental groups to sign on. Funny that. Environmental groups and so inclined people have been waiting for a quarter of a century for the unions to sign. I wonder how it is that now the argument has substance and merit, yet during the preceding decades it was riddled and torpedoed every step of the way by the same unions and trade groups? Who says that job security, squeezing the last drop of oil out of the Earth and envrionmentalism can't go hand in hand? I suppose that everyone's supposed to be adult about things now and put the greater good before all else, as if the pantywaste attitudes of those who kept and continue stalling environmental gains are something above juvenile and petty self interest. I know. get over it, .right? Forgive and forget is the mantra for the new millenium. Wonder where Shrub is gonna' get that 300 billion to secure the union and trades votes, especially after having just given it all away. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: [biofuel] Unions Back Research Plan for Energy http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/06/national/06LABO.html Unions Back Research Plan for Energy By STEVEN GREENHOUSE Ten labor unions, including the steelworkers and auto workers, urged presidential candidates yesterday to back a 10-year, $300 billion research plan that would promote energy efficiency, reduce dependence on foreign oil and preserve manufacturing jobs. Labor leaders said the plan, called the Apollo Project, would foster energy independence by promoting hybrid and hydrogen cars and energy-efficient factories and appliances. Supporters said the project would help make the United States the leader in these areas and would help preserve factory jobs after the nation had lost more than two million manufacturing jobs in the past two years. The plan's backers said they hoped it would improve ties between labor and the environmental movement, groups that have clashed in recent years on issues like emissions standards and energy exploration. We believe this plan can create good manufacturing jobs, good construction jobs, can improve the public infrastructure, can be good for the environment and can reduce our dependence on foreign energy, Leo Gerard, president of the United Steelworkers of America, said at a news conference. The plan is also backed by the United Mine Workers, the Service Employees International Union, the International Association of Machinists and the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. Several supporters said that labor leaders had planned to send a letter yesterday to Democratic presidential candidates and President Bush. But they said the union leaders decided to delay sending the letter because they were waiting for several of the nation's largest environmental groups to sign on. We are very, very excited, said Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club, which is considering whether to support the plan. It is not that any of these ideas are radically new. What is radically different is the commitment on the part of a huge segment of American organized labor to organize the rebuilding of blue-collar America around modern environmentalism and sound energy technology. The plan calls for more financing for high-speed rail and fuel-cell technology, for building pipelines and storage facilities to support hydrogen-powered cars and for expanding the use of solar and wind power. The steelworkers union and the Institute for America's Future, a new liberal research center, which helped develop the plan, distributed polling data showing that the plan had wide support in Pennsylvania and several Midwestern swing states that have lost hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs. Supporters said they hoped the poll numbers would persuade presidential candidates to embrace the plan, although privately some acknowledged that candidates might balk at its $300 billion price tag. A poll commissioned by the steelworkers union found that in Pennsylvania 73 percent of respondents backed the plan, including more than 80 percent of Democratic men without college educations, an important group of swing voters. This group favors re-electing President Bush by 44 percent to 41 percent, the poll found. The survey of 400 likely voters had a margin of error of plus or minus five percentage points. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list
[biofuel] Depolymerization
Why haven't I heard any chatter about that new plant that ConAgra is building in Missouri that turns any organic waste into oil and a few other things. I got a URL off of one of the lists pointing to an article in Discover Magazine , which I haven't found in google yet or I'd put the URL up. regards Frred If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine. Che Guevara Same struggle same fight Human freedom, animal rights Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/CNxFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
