Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
Not quite true, deep, deep inside all those ugly gray buildings are the 30% of gov't employees who do care and actually do 90% of the work. the final 10% is done by the other 70%. Been there, done that. A. Lawrence wrote: Only one problem with the statement below... Government and Work don't belong in the same sentence - it's a contradiction of terms... All joking aside, I find Canadian politics very strange. I like your country, but I don't really GET how your government works. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
My apologies Mike, I do indeed remember that there was a time when one government employee actually did their job - and did it very well... I was looking for some information, and of all the many contacts that I made, one stood out as above and beyond... the others just offered standard lip service... so, I stand corrected... there are *some* that care, do their job, and get results - I was fortunate to run across one... Al Not quite true, deep, deep inside all those ugly gray buildings are the 30% of gov't employees who do care and actually do 90% of the work. the final 10% is done by the other 70%. Been there, done that. A. Lawrence wrote: Only one problem with the statement below... Government and Work don't belong in the same sentence - it's a contradiction of terms... All joking aside, I find Canadian politics very strange. I like your country, but I don't really GET how your government works. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
you have my vote! please run for office now! From:robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20Date:Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:36:31 -0800Darryl McMahon quoted an article that included: Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive New technology, not "punitive measures," is the best way to help oil and gas companies in Canada reduce pollution, an Alberta oil executive told a special legislative committee on Tuesday. Gordon Lambert, vice-president, sustainable development for Suncor Energy Inc., said the federal government should set up a new technology fund to help oil and gas companies develop innovative ways to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. Let's see if I understand this: 1.Oil companies are making BILLIONS in profits from the recentprice spikes in oil. 2.Consumers are funding those profits. 3.A tacit admission that the responsibility for creating thecarbon pollution lies with the oil companies. 4.The oil companies are asking for a government handout to developnew technology to sequester carbon.In effect, the oil companies want taxpayers to fund their R D. Hmmm . . . Here's what I propose: 1.Use LESS energy! 2.A significant windfall profits tax on the oil companies. 3.Significant financial incentives for consumers to invest inefficiency at home. 4.Significant financial incentives for communities to plan forlowered energy use. 5.A significant tax on energy use that will encourage conservation. 6.Using the carbon as raw material to BUILD THINGS rather than"sequestering," which is geologic nonsense! 7.DO something NOW, rather than keeping to the "business as usual"model. But then, I'm a guest in your country, Darryl, so I don't want tocomplain . . .robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice""The Long Journey"New Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
Fred Oliff wrote: you have my vote! please run for office now! Sorry Fred, but I've been out of the country too long to qualify . . . You'd have to amend the Constitution. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
I am in Canada, you're in Canada? From:robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20Date:Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:00:14 -0800Fred Oliff wrote: you have my vote!please run for office now! Sorry Fred, but I've been out of the country too long to qualify . ..You'd have to amend the Constitution.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice""The Long Journey"New Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
robert and benita rabello wrote: Darryl McMahon quoted an article that included: Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive SNIP Let's see if I understand this: SNIP Hmmm . . . Here's what I propose: 1. Use LESS energy! 2. A significant windfall profits tax on the oil companies. Here I don't agree, don't agree at all. All that is needed, if for the oil companies, and the ilk that empowers them, to 'put their money where their collective mouths are' viz a viz Free Market Enterprise. No need to come up with a punitive windfall profit tax, that just sounds like 'punishing success'. Rather, make them pay their own way, like you or I would have to do, were we in business. *If* they need a world power to go to war to secure their resources, then they pay for that war, outright, out of pocket. DING watch renewable resource energy take off like a rocket! Note, the principal on the public debt incurred by the first gulf war hasn't even been touched yet. 3. Significant financial incentives for consumers to invest in efficiency at home. Again, not really needed, just remove all the handouts large monolithic monopolistic multinational energy companies are receiving on the backs of large scale future deficit funding by the taxpayers. I think efficiency upgrades would compete rather well in a 'Free Market Economy' 4. Significant financial incentives for communities to plan for lowered energy use. same same 5. A significant tax on energy use that will encourage conservation. Again, I really don't think increasing taxes is the answer, any more than is further drilling in the gulf or opening ANWR. 6. Using the carbon as raw material to BUILD THINGS rather than sequestering, which is geologic nonsense! 7. DO something NOW, rather than keeping to the business as usual model. But then, I'm a guest in your country, Darryl, so I don't want to complain . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
Fred Oliff wrote: I am in Canada, you're in Canada? Oh, ok--I thought you were writing from the US. I'm not a Canadian citizen, so I don't think I can actually HOLD an office here. My dream job is to get appointed to the Canadian Senate, where I can do absolutely NOTHING for five years, then live on a government pension, write books and tinker with combustion for the rest of my life . . . : - ) All joking aside, I find Canadian politics very strange. I like your country, but I don't really GET how your government works. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
Robert, Unless I am just missing something basic...if you are over 35 years old, a natural born citizen of the US, and have lived in the US for 14 years, you are qualified. I don't read anywhere that it says that you have to be a resident for the last 14 years prior to running for election. Plus, don't forget...there are other national offices. :-) --Randall US Constitution, Article II, Section 1 No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20 Fred Oliff wrote: you have my vote! please run for office now! Sorry Fred, but I've been out of the country too long to qualify . . . You'd have to amend the Constitution. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
Randall wrote: Robert, Unless I am just missing something basic...if you are over 35 years old, a natural born citizen of the US, and have lived in the US for 14 years, you are qualified. I don't read anywhere that it says that you have to be a resident for the last 14 years prior to running for election. Plus, don't forget...there are other national offices. :-) --Randall US Constitution, Article II, Section 1 No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. Ok, I looked at my copy of the Constitution and you're right. I'd read the 14 years' residency requirement to mean 14 years immediately prior to running for office. Vote for me!!! Although, I don't really WANT the job . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Yes, voting for you Robert! --- robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randall wrote: Robert, Unless I am just missing something basic...if you are over 35 years old, a natural born citizen of the US, and have lived in the US for 14 years, you are qualified. I don't read anywhere that it says that you have to be a resident for the last 14 years prior to running for election. Plus, don't forget...there are other national offices. :-) --Randall US Constitution, Article II, Section 1 No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. Ok, I looked at my copy of the Constitution and you're right. I'd read the 14 years' residency requirement to mean 14 years immediately prior to running for office. Vote for me!!! Although, I don't really WANT the job . . . Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Jesse Frayne wrote: Yes, voting for you Robert! I just talked to one of my clients during a lesson, and she said: You can only run for office if you promise to keep teaching my son to read! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
Fellas, Review that again. Nobody alive today meets that 14 year residency requirement. You would have to be as old as the adoption of the Constitution PLUS 14 years. Bottom line is, if weren't born here you can't be, top dog. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. robert and benita rabello wrote: Randall wrote: Robert, Unless I am just missing something basic...if you are over 35 years old, a natural born citizen of the US, and have lived in the US for 14 years, you are qualified. I don't read anywhere that it says that you have to be a resident for the last 14 years prior to running for election. Plus, don't forget...there are other national offices. :-) --Randall US Constitution, Article II, Section 1 No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. Ok, I looked at my copy of the Constitution and you're right. I'd read the 14 years' residency requirement to mean 14 years immediately prior to running for office. Vote for me!!! Although, I don't really WANT the job . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
Only one problem with the statement below... Government and Work don't belong in the same sentence - it's a contradiction of terms... All joking aside, I find Canadian politics very strange. I like your country, but I don't really GET how your government works. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
My apologies go to Darryl, who received this message separately! I wanted it to go to the list, but addressed it to him instead, and I'm feeling a little sheepish right now . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, I thought the article spoke volumes about the oil sector's sense of entitlement. It's deeply ingrained from decades of practice. I got that, but there is also something else that my American upbringing has a hard time understanding. Many Canadians view their government as a partner in dealing with social issues. When a problem arises, I hear calls for government action. As an American, I have an inbred distrust of government that is very hard to explain. So when I read the article its tone sounded very Canadian to me. In addition to your points, I would also reiterate some others. 1) This is an industry responsible for despoiling nature and creating ecological disasters. In my opinion, on a scale unmatched by any other human activity on the planet. They almost never clean up after themselves, so others bear the costs while they extract the profits. And the principle here SHOULD be that extraction is heavily taxed and never subsidized. The resources are supposed to belong to the people, not corporations. 2) The industry is responible for massive political machinations on the world scale, including overthrowing governments and sponsoring invasions, when they couldn't simply buy out the powers in place. So much more, but it's not news. This week, Esso stations here in Ottawa are out of gasoline. I have advocated boycotting Esso/Exxon-Mobil in the past (and still do). I never expected that the company would implement it from their side. So, those of you that have had to find another outlet, perhaps you could continue to do so once Esso manages to re-stock. On the other hand, apparently large numbers of regular Esso customers were baffled by the fact that the pumps were not dispensing fuel when they put the nozzles into their filler spouts. After driving past the big price sign set to 0.00, and ignoring the signs at the entrance and on the pumps saying the outlet was out of fuel. As much as I don't like Esso for its rape of the planet's resources, none of the other companies are any better. I have to run Chevron 94 octane premium in my truck, though I'd FAR prefer to burn ethanol, methanol or wood gas. One day I'm going to build an EV, but it's hard for a gearhead to let go of combustion! (Use less energy) Absolutely! This is a message I preach regularly. Only after we get rational about our energy consumption (on a personal level) should we focus on how to produce the remaining energy required from sustainable sources. This approach frequently leads to cost savings. I've been talking about this for better than 30 years. People STILL shake their heads at me and think I'm crazy . . . (Windfall profits tax) I think this will be counter-productive. If we impose a tax on windfall profits, these companies will simply re-arrange the accounts so there are no such profits on the books. Instead, let's stop providing subsidies and free passes to the industry. I am also in favour of a GHG (carbon) tax. Ok, I hear you. But if we were taxing resource extraction instead of subsidizing it, that would help! (Efficiency incentives) To date, such programs in Canada have had limited take-up or noticeable success. Instead, let's stop subsidizing energy prices and let consumers make their own choices. Imbedding a GHG tax into the price will also help drive the desired shift. The problem with this approach has been that the options available to customers have been rather limited. I wanted to install a wood gasifying boiler when we built our new house, but the municipality prohibits the installation of wood burners because of pollution concerns. What's ridiculous about this is the fact that a gasifier produces virtually NO smoke, yet the municipality allows people to burn their agricultural waste in HUGE bonfires that fill the entire valley air shed with eye-stinging smoke. It's that kind of blindness that irritates me! There are incentives to upgrade furnaces, but not boilers, and the incentives are limited to natural gas appliances. Even if I wanted a heat pump, I'd have to foot the (significant) cost of the installation myself. And worse, the banks are not interested in financing ANY kind of renewable energy. Here are two examples from my own experience as a home builder: 1. I wanted to install a small heliostat for supplemental solar hot water. 2. I planned a battery bank / inverter system as a grid backup, and the foundation for renewable energy collection on my property. When I approached the Credit Union with our building budget, they deleted these two items from my list of expenditures, saying that there was no market
[Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive New technology, not punitive measures, is the best way to help oil and gas companies in Canada reduce pollution, an Alberta oil executive told a special legislative committee on Tuesday. Gordon Lambert, vice-president, sustainable development for Suncor Energy Inc., said the federal government should set up a new technology fund to help oil and gas companies develop innovative ways to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. We do have a significant dilemma before us, he told a special legislative committee studying Bill C-30, Canada's Clean Air Act, in Ottawa. On the one hand, we want abundant clean energy. On the other other, we want to protect the environment. The only way to square that circle is through new technology. We are looking for all kinds of policies and partnerships with government to enable us to get there. What's going to work is not punitive measures, but collaborative efforts. He said new technology includes what is known as carbon capture, in which carbon dioxide is taken out of emissions and stored instead of being released into the atmosphere. It also includes geological sequestration, in which the carbon dioxide is injected directly into underground geological formations. Lambert, a witness who appeared before the committee, said the danger with regulations, especially if steep targets are imposed without much notice, is that they would erode confidence, prompting investors to exit the industry and take their capital elsewhere. Lambert told the committee that it costs $20 to $30 to produce a barrel of oil in Alberta, whereas it costs $2 to $3 to produce a barrel of oil in Saudi Arabia. Francis Scarpaleggia, a Quebec Liberal MP on the committee, said that he was lukewarm to the idea of a technology fund and that there is real need for immediate targets instead of more consultation with industry groups. He said the previous Liberal government consulted the industry already. I get the sense that we are into avoidance, he said. The message I hear from a lot of industry sectors is leave us alone. It's like we can't do anything unless we are giving you money to develop new technology. Matthew Bramley, director of climate change for the Pembina Institute, told the committee that the government needs a climate change plan, not a single bill to address the huge problem of greenhouse gas emissions. I'm certainly troubled that the federal government does not have a comprehensive plan, he said. A climate change plan would have to be simply more than a bill. Targets needed to force emissions cuts: Bramley Bramley said strict regulations in the form of targets are needed to force industry into cutting emissions of greenhouse gases and aggressively pursuing new technology to comply with the law. He said Bill C-30 is a series of technical amendments to a number of laws, not an overall plan. We need targets that are easily understandable by anyone. If we set absolute targets, it should be clear that what those are and what those mean, he said. The proposed legislation, designed to deal with greenhouse gas emissions and air pollutants, sets absolute targets for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions at between 45 and 65 per cent lower than 2003 levels by 2050. The bill passed first reading in the House of Commons on Oct. 19, 2006. The committee is studying the bill and hearing from witnesses before it reworks it. Michael Cleland, president of the Canadian Gas Association, told the committee that the government needs to develop policy that would push the industry in the right direction in a steady gradual way to avoid a sharp shock to investors. The government also needs to look at the demand side of oil and gas production, Cleland said. It should try to reduce demand by bringing in policies to transform Canadian communities over the next 50 years to make them more energy efficient, he said. Nathan Cullen, an NDP MP from B.C. on the committee, said: When I hear the testimony today, it sounds like we have the luxury of time. -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (now in print and eBook) http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
Darryl McMahon quoted an article that included: Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive New technology, not punitive measures, is the best way to help oil and gas companies in Canada reduce pollution, an Alberta oil executive told a special legislative committee on Tuesday. Gordon Lambert, vice-president, sustainable development for Suncor Energy Inc., said the federal government should set up a new technology fund to help oil and gas companies develop innovative ways to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. Let's see if I understand this: 1. Oil companies are making BILLIONS in profits from the recent price spikes in oil. 2. Consumers are funding those profits. 3. A tacit admission that the responsibility for creating the carbon pollution lies with the oil companies. 4. The oil companies are asking for a government handout to develop new technology to sequester carbon. In effect, the oil companies want taxpayers to fund their R D. Hmmm . . . Here's what I propose: 1. Use LESS energy! 2. A significant windfall profits tax on the oil companies. 3. Significant financial incentives for consumers to invest in efficiency at home. 4. Significant financial incentives for communities to plan for lowered energy use. 5. A significant tax on energy use that will encourage conservation. 6. Using the carbon as raw material to BUILD THINGS rather than sequestering, which is geologic nonsense! 7. DO something NOW, rather than keeping to the business as usual model. But then, I'm a guest in your country, Darryl, so I don't want to complain . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Besides, the American way of life is a blessed one. robert and benita rabello wrote: Darryl McMahon quoted an article that included: Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive New technology, not punitive measures, is the best way to help oil and gas companies in Canada reduce pollution, an Alberta oil executive told a special legislative committee on Tuesday. Gordon Lambert, vice-president, sustainable development for Suncor Energy Inc., said the federal government should set up a new technology fund to help oil and gas companies develop innovative ways to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. Let's see if I understand this: 1. Oil companies are making BILLIONS in profits from the recent price spikes in oil. 2. Consumers are funding those profits. 3. A tacit admission that the responsibility for creating the carbon pollution lies with the oil companies. 4. The oil companies are asking for a government handout to develop new technology to sequester carbon. In effect, the oil companies want taxpayers to fund their R D. Hmmm . . . Here's what I propose: 1. Use LESS energy! 2. A significant windfall profits tax on the oil companies. 3. Significant financial incentives for consumers to invest in efficiency at home. 4. Significant financial incentives for communities to plan for lowered energy use. 5. A significant tax on energy use that will encourage conservation. 6. Using the carbon as raw material to BUILD THINGS rather than sequestering, which is geologic nonsense! 7. DO something NOW, rather than keeping to the business as usual model. But then, I'm a guest in your country, Darryl, so I don't want to complain . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
