Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Are you implying that the boogie man doesn't exist either?!?!?!? How can this be? I know I saw him in my closet last night, at least I stay awake imagining that he was in my closet, ready to pounce the moment I closed my eyes - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There'sno proof of global warming so I'm a skeptic. you can believe in the boogie man if you wish. And a comment for future reference. I find it mildly disconcerting the you plant my name in the subject line. I know that I am trying to talk about chemtrails and your trying to talk about me, but let's please keep the discourse civil and at the very least keep the personalities out of the subject line. I get enough spam as it is thank you. Appal Energy wrote: Nice song and dance Bob, -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
IMHO, the difference in the pictures are a good evidence of cause of the warming. But also, I don't think that a natural cycle would account for this. Even over 100 years. Good old Mother Earth takes thousands of years to go through these cycles and this one is happening a little too fast. Again, my 2cents. John The insurance industry needs no convincing. http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-September/004569.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hw1g [Biofuel] New Report Warns of Rising Threat to U.S. Insurers due to Climate Change http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg30888.html [biofuel] Re-insurer counts cost of global warming An estimated 12,000 weather-related disasters since 1980 have caused 618,200 fatalities and resulted in economic losses of $1.3 trillion. In the 1980s, the average annual economic loss from weather-related disasters was $26 billion. In 2004, that number rose to $104 billion, and in 2005, Hurricane Katrina alone is expected to cost $100-200 billion in economic losses. (Worldwatch) Best Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry Eyers Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:00 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming Hmm... I can't reach them today either. Just go to any nasa sight, and search for apollo pictures of the earth, then search for space shuttle pictures of the earth. Jerry ---Original Message--- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]des Date: 09/22/05 10:51:36 To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post. is everyone else able to get to them? Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/ times out. doug swanson Jerry Eyers wrote: What did the photos show? In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere, clear atmoshpere, very nice. Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything. There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just a smokey, murkey haze all the time. Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=truese lections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-153 1http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trues elections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-15 31 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trues elections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-15 31http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=true; selections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1 531 With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=truese lections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=truesel ections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trues elections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=truese lections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 And look at the earth in the background. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post. is everyone else able to get to them? Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/ times out. doug swanson Jerry Eyers wrote: What did the photos show? In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere, clear atmoshpere, very nice. Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything. There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just a smokey, murkey haze all the time. Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 And look at the earth in the background. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Hmm... I can't reach them today either. Just go to any nasa sight, and search for apollo pictures of the earth, then search for space shuttle pictures of the earth. Jerry ---Original Message--- From: des Date: 09/22/05 10:51:36 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post.is everyone else able to get to them?Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/ times out. doug swanson Jerry Eyers wrote: What did the photos show? In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere, clear atmoshpere, very nice. Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything. There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just a smokey, murkey haze all the time. Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 And look at the earth in the background. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false.Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
IMHO, the difference in the pictures are a good evidence of cause of the warming. But also, I don't think that a natural cycle would account for this. Even over 100 years. Good old Mother Earth takes thousands of years to go through these cycles and this one is happening a little too fast. Again, my 2cents. John -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jerry EyersSent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:00 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming Hmm... I can't reach them today either. Just go to any nasa sight, and search for apollo pictures of the earth, then search for space shuttle pictures of the earth. Jerry ---Original Message--- From: des Date: 09/22/05 10:51:36 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post.is everyone else able to get to them?Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/ times out. doug swanson Jerry Eyers wrote: What did the photos show? In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere, clear atmoshpere, very nice. Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything. There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just a smokey, murkey haze all the time. Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 And look at the earth in the background. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false.Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
I think a strong agument to believe that there is global warming, (or maybe a better term to be scientific is climate change) can be found by looking up global dimming on the net once such find was at http://geography.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0%2C13026%2C1108853%2C00.html I believeas the solar energy hitting the earth is reducing by 3% per recent decade (source above) and theworlds claciersare only just staring to melt after 100,000 's of thousands of years then some sort of cliamte change is happening. They can hang a man for evidence beyond reasonable doubt, I think mankind should make the call and move to save the plannet, because I think there is more than enough reasonable doubt. IanAppal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Jerry,Just go back to photos of Earth during the airline shutdowns after September 11th and you'll see precisely (or rather so) what the contribution of the airline industry is to global polution. No need to go back to the Apollo years for photos, especially since emissions have been curbed considerably (in some regions) since then.Anything short of what happened on September 11th that throttles the airline industry to a permanent standstill is in the best interests of all living things.Todd SwearingenJerry Eyers wrote: Hi All,Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It'sheading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burnmore Dino since none of this is connected. Tom Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no "direct" evidence, onlycircumstantial evidence. That said, however, there have been MANYconvictions made on only circumstantial evidence!! All you really have todo is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see thesmokey crudd layer that exists over everything. Better yet, look at somespace shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to spaceshots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIGdifference.Is it effecting weather?? Some say yes, some no. The current warming cycle(which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a coldcycle.There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-greylayer of crudd building up in the atmosphere!Jerry ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Hello, As far as the grey layer of crud that's built up in the atmosphere, there have been airplanes whose sole apparent purpose has been to lay that grey layer down in the atmosphere. I have personally observed them in many different cities, even in different countries, for about the last five years. The phenomenon is called chemtrails, and you can find a whole education on the internet regarding it. www.carnicom.com (which I have not visited in years) is probably the most well-known. Charles Tounah --- Jerry Eyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. Tom Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no direct evidence, only circumstantial evidence. That said, however, there have been MANY convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!! All you really have to do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see the smokey crudd layer that exists over everything. Better yet, look at some space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to space shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIG difference. Is it effecting weather?? Some say yes, some no. The current warming cycle (which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26 year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a cold cycle. There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-grey layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere! Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
I think a strong agument to believe that there is global warming, There's no need to *believe* that there is global warming, you don't have to believe in something that's happening. The hard evidence has been convincing for rather a long time and it's been mounting steadily ever since into what's become a flood - unless of course you've been wearing blinkers, as specified by people like these (for one source among thousands): http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/05/some_like_it_hot.html Some Like It Hot News: Forty public policy groups have this in common: They seek to undermine the scientific consensus that humans are causing the earth to overheat. And they all get money from ExxonMobil. Give it a read. Nothing new there though, we've been dealing with it at this level here for more than five years (and some of us much longer than that). Do a list archives search for baliunas, for instance: http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=andformat=shortc onfig=biofuel_sustainablelists_orgrestrict=exclude=words=baliunas Search results for 'baliunas' Or: http://snipurl.com/huc2 (or maybe a better term to be scientific is climate change) It's a softer term, so it's preferred by the global warming deniers. Nobody knows for sure how it might unfold in the longer term, but what's happening now and what we'll have to deal with now and in the immediate future and beyond is global warming, precipitated by over-use of fossil-fuel energy mostly by the industrialised nations. This has been known since 1988 - sufficiently known to take remedial action right then, when James Hansen announced it to the US Congress, with the majority of scientists agreeing (now all agree except those who're paid not to). Two years later, when I became involved, I watched the US government at the highest levels putting a damper on it so that no binding commitments were made by governments or industry at the Rio Conference as had been planned. We knew it in the early 1970s - we didn't know whether it would be warming or freezing but we knew well enough that the climate was changing because of industrialisation. We've wasted 15 years, or 17 years, or 35 years, while the industries that are your government's paymasters dragged their feet, optimised their bottom-lines and pulled the wool over your eyes. I wonder what your grandchildren will have to say about that. You said before: So the first war is for the hearts of the people, then the second war (to save the plannet) can be won. The first war was for the *minds* of the people, and the people succumbed without a murmur. From previous: Do you have faith in the institutions of your society? You tend to get one of two answers, either a pause followed by What do you mean? or an immediate Of course not!, and neither needs a reply, it would either be futile or superfluous. And: ... what I tend to think of as Churchill's critical threshold level, when he mouthed that nonsense that you can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - while knowing very well that there's absolutely no need to fool all of them all of the time just as long as you can fool enough of them enough of the time. Which all our governments succeed in doing. 'Fraid so. can be found by looking up global dimming Flavour of the month. on the net once such find was at http://geography.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.gua rdian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0%2C13026%2C1108853%2C00.htmlhttp://ge ography.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.guardian.co.u k/life/feature/story/0%2C13026%2C1108853%2C00.html I believe as the solar energy hitting the earth is reducing by 3% per recent decade (source above) and the worlds claciers are only just staring to melt after 100,000 's of thousands of years then some sort of cliamte change is happening. They can hang a man for evidence beyond reasonable doubt, I think mankind should make the call and move to save the plannet, because I think there is more than enough reasonable doubt. And has been for a long time. Best wishes Keith Ian Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Jerry, Just go back to photos of Earth during the airline shutdowns after September 11th and you'll see precisely (or rather so) what the contribution of the airline industry is to global polution. No need to go back to the Apollo years for photos, especially since emissions have been curbed considerably (in some regions) since then. Anything short of what happened on September 11th that throttles the airline industry to a permanent standstill is in the best interests of all living things. Todd Swearingen Jerry Eyers wrote: Hi All, Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
What did the photos show? In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere, clear atmoshpere,very nice. Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything. There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just a smokey, murkey haze all the time. Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 And look at the earth in the background. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
woo-woo alert! Charles Tounah wrote: Hello, As far as the grey layer of crud that's built up in the atmosphere, there have been airplanes whose sole apparent purpose has been to lay that grey layer down in the atmosphere. oh really? I have personally observed them in many different cities, even in different countries, for about the last five years. The phenomenon is called chemtrails, other than usual exhaust emissions- water vapor, CO2, and trace combustion products such as NOX, what is there? and you can find a whole education on the internet regarding it. www.carnicom.com woo-woo. woo-woo. (which I have not visited in years) is probably the most well-known. sorry for my sarcasm, but I will save my worrying over reality, and leave the really paranoid speculation to others. Charles Tounah -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
As far as the grey layer of crud that's built up in the atmosphere, there have been airplanes whose sole apparent purpose has been to lay that grey layer down in the atmosphere. Research done here in the UK estimates that 85% of high level air pollution is due to planes not cars or industry. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
A member of the International Panel on Climate Change from Victoria, BC,
Canada was on a national radio program and he talked about the fact that he
was asked to appear as a guest on a national American TV network (could have
been NBC) to debate Global Warming. The network wanted some one to take the
other view point; that Global Warming didn't exist or wasn't caused by
humans. The Climate scientist said he would debate this issue with any one
they chose as long as that person was a climate scientist and not an
econmist.
The TV network could not find a climate scientist that would take the other
viewpoint so the debate could not take place.
Terry Dyck
From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
Are there any physicists in the house? Isn't true that greenhouse gases
like CO2 are used for laser light excitation? isn't the theory behind the
excitation of that band of light a practical (another) example of the
effects of global warming?
The far right preaches theories based on pure emotion. A lack of
understanding translates into the non-existence of that issue or idea. Even
if I'm wrong about the above example, there is an abundance of scientific
data about the physics which prove the effects of greenhouse gasses and
that it highlights the far right's foundation in pure emotion and (for
their brand of intellectuals) convoluted metaphysical beliefs.
That said, have you read Mein Kampf?
Mike
Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BODY{font:10pt Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif;}Hi All,
Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical
storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's
heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36
hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all
burn more Dino since none of this is connected.
Tom
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[Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Hi All, Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Limbaugh and ilk have for years said that the cost of preventing global warming (or any other environmental disaster) was too great, compared to the minor inconvenience it may or may not cause if it does happen. I don't know if I'd use the word inconvenience to refer to almost 1000 poor black people in New Orleans drowned, and another million displaced, or 2,000 young servicemen and women have being blown to bits and other 20,000 having limbs and such blown off. But then again, I am a weepy eyed liberal. He obviously feels those deaths were worth it to preserve his comfortable way of life. On 9/20/05, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Are there any physicists in the house? Isn't true thatgreenhouse gaseslike CO2are used for laser light excitation? isn't the theory behind the excitation of that band of light a practical (another) example of the effects of global warming? The far right preaches theories based on pure emotion. A lack of understanding translates into the non-existence of that issue or idea. Even if I'm wrong about the above example, there isan abundance of scientific data about the physics which prove the effects of greenhouse gasses and that it highlights the far right's foundation in pure emotion and (for their brand of "intellectuals") convoluted metaphysical beliefs. That said, have youread Mein Kampf? MikeTom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. Tom___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Hi All, Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. Tom Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no direct evidence, only circumstantial evidence. That said, however, there have been MANY convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!! All you really have to do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see the smokey crudd layer that exists over everything. Better yet, look at some space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to space shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIG difference. Is it effecting weather?? Some say yes, some no. The current warming cycle (which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26 year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a cold cycle. There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-grey layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere! Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Actually Jerry, Just go back to photos of Earth during the airline shutdowns after September 11th and you'll see precisely (or rather so) what the contribution of the airline industry is to global polution. No need to go back to the Apollo years for photos, especially since emissions have been curbed considerably (in some regions) since then. Anything short of what happened on September 11th that throttles the airline industry to a permanent standstill is in the best interests of all living things. Todd Swearingen Jerry Eyers wrote: Hi All, Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. Tom Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no direct evidence, only circumstantial evidence. That said, however, there have been MANY convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!! All you really have to do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see the smokey crudd layer that exists over everything. Better yet, look at some space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to space shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIG difference. Is it effecting weather?? Some say yes, some no. The current warming cycle (which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26 year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a cold cycle. There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-grey layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere! Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
What did the photos show? Appal Energy wrote: Actually Jerry, Just go back to photos of Earth during the airline shutdowns after September 11th and you'll see precisely (or rather so) what the contribution of the airline industry is to global polution. No need to go back to the Apollo years for photos, especially since emissions have been curbed considerably (in some regions) since then. Anything short of what happened on September 11th that throttles the airline industry to a permanent standstill is in the best interests of all living things. Todd Swearingen Jerry Eyers wrote: Hi All, Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. Tom Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no direct evidence, only circumstantial evidence. That said, however, there have been MANY convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!! All you really have to do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see the smokey crudd layer that exists over everything. Better yet, look at some space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to space shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIG difference. Is it effecting weather?? Some say yes, some no. The current warming cycle (which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26 year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a cold cycle. There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-grey layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere! Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
