Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
Murdoch, When are you going to set up an investment fund for manufacturing biofuels? Craig If you're interested in that, you should contact this person about the Alternative Energy Fund, say I said so: Eugen Wawrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Keith - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use Thanks to several different posters for putting up these various cumulatively informative explanations. For example with Craig's information I was able to see that there are both pros and cons that seem to come from a sort of dosage of ethanol, in terms of engine-cleaning. It may seem to a real enemy of the fuel that one can conclude that it's just a disaster, but in fact there's another side to the matter. That's the sort of thing that has always left me a bit wary of accepting any one simple explanation: proponents seem to sometimes not even acknowledge any drawbacks at all (such as what seems to be the temporarily worse performance in Craig's description) and detractors seem to take any temporary or condition-based drawbacks on performance as an excuse to dismiss the technology out-of-hand (a classic sign, in my opinion, that they lack a commitment to an objective evaluation of the technology). Practical Use of Ethanol 1. It is unlikely that the ethanol has been watered down. It is absorbing the water in storage and from your tank. It will take at least 3 to 4 full tanks full to get the water out. Get a bottle of ' Heet ' (it is made to remove water from gas tanks to keep gas lines from freezing ), this might help. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pp91HA/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
Well the main problem is if the ethanol is not pure. Then you get rust inside your fuel tank and line...major catastrophy if you ask me. How come the octane is so low over there, in Australia we have 96 and 98 octane, how come there is such a vast difference? we also pay $1 per litre or roughly with exchange rates included $2.3 per gallon(American). That may be the cause of our higher octane but I doubt it. What sort of cars do you have over there, we are getting really shit ones of late...mainly Holdensor GMH's(sub-branch of GMC) I managed however to get a 1973 Landaumy baby and the amazing thing is that its got more grunt than the new cars. Thats something in the movie the blues brothers the Dodge sedan that they were driving(1970 cop car) do you see many of them? also for pure interest as you would more than likely see the cars.what is the best a Chevvy a Ford or a Dodge? they all have their good points. Also do you know where I can get ceramic engine parts from? try going to google.com and searching for ceramic engines if you don't already know, its I think the first link on the searched page. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it happens, I filled up with 91 Octane instead of 87 or 89. Really a 1 in 100 choice on my part. Usually I choose 87 without thinking. But I once read a discussion of the Midwest U.S. that said that even there sometimes the only ethanol is in the 91. So, maybe mine did contain ethanol. If so, it's hard to pronounce if there were problems associated with it, as my car is experiencing a problem with over-heating in traffic. I'm sure I'm misinformed on a couple of points, but it sure was nice to see that it might be in my tank, given the battle that has occurred to get it in there. Now, what's this about it being bad for my car? Are you saying generally bad, or only when there's too much water, or what? jl On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:42:36 +0100 (BST), you wrote: A few stations over here in Australia are trying the same thingbeware ethanol contains water and water it down they do. Honestly it is very bad for any vehicle and should only be used in emergencies with octane boosters. By the way has anyone seen or collected any info on structure and build-designs of ceramic engines? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stopped at a 76 station on route 5 today midway between LA and San Francisco and noticed a sign on the pump reading that the fuel may contain ethanol. Can't recall but it may have been phrased almost as though it were a warning, though not as harsh as the MTBE warnings you see. Anyway, I don't see these signs yet in So.Cal. but I'll keep looking. Re-examination of the ethanol stories shows Philips as one of the companies going somewhat ethanol, so that makes sense. Don't know the reason for the ambivalent may contain though. I wonder if they'd just be using it as an octane enhancer or something. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Relive the FIFA World Cup goals with exclusive video highlights! http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/en [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Relive the FIFA World Cup goals with exclusive video highlights! http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/en [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
What sort of cars do you have over there, we are getting really shit ones of late...mainly Holdensor GMH's(sub-branch of GMC) There have always been too many choices here for me to really keep track of. This news story on yahoo today gives an idea of the different manufacturers available here, and you can fill in the sub-choices: http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/020702/autos_groups_table_1.html There are only a few traditional western marques which are not available here, notably Renault, Citroen, Lancia (I think) and perhaps Peugeot (I'm not sure). Probably a few others. There are also individual models not made available here, such as the high-mileage VW Lupo (Diesel). I managed however to get a 1973 Landaumy baby and the amazing thing is that its got more grunt than the new cars. Thats something in the movie the blues brothers the Dodge sedan that they were driving(1970 cop car) do you see many of them? I probably know less about the technical aspects of cars and engines and fuels than many here, but I think it's fairly basic that American vehicles (particularly cars)lost some of their grunt after a certain point, so it is not uncommon for older vehicles to be more powerful. A 60's or 70's v-8 sedan would certainly have more get-up-and-go than a 90's 4 or 6 cylinder, and the later models I think were subject to stricter catalytic converter requirements. One of the reasons that SUV's have become so popular here is that they tend to come with much more powerful engines than cars a result not just of engineering issues but of legislation which classified the vehicles differently than cars for Corporate Average Fuel Economy calculations. Many SUV and truck owners are ignorant of this and assume incorrectly that their vehicles come with more powerful engines for no other reason than to power a larger vehicle. Funny how you have the Blues Brothers car in mind. When I was growing up, we certainly enjoyed that film and its car points (Aykroyd is a real motorhead and the car focus comes from his interest), but one of our own ideal cars was (of course) the Australian Mad Max Interceptor. I read on a DVD cover that there was a scene not included in the original Blues Brothers movie, apparently, where they showed how it got its secret powers, by recharging it in some power station near Wrigley Field every night. also for pure interest as you would more than likely see the cars.what is the best a Chevvy a Ford or a Dodge? they all have their good points. No idea. Politically, I think a lot of activists are disgusted with GM for deliberately making a great EV and then not allowing for its mass-manufacture, and for fighting CARB so hard on the ZEV requirement. Dodge is no longer really entirely American in terms of ownership. That leaves Ford and their reputation for green-ness or progressiveness is not entirely deserved. I drove a GM EV1 the other day, for the second time. What an utterly fantastic car. Too bad, as we speak, that GM is arranging for its demise (and it has been years since they made any more anyway). Also do you know where I can get ceramic engine parts from? try going to google.com and searching for ceramic engines if you don't already know, its I think the first link on the searched page. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it happens, I filled up with 91 Octane instead of 87 or 89. Really a 1 in 100 choice on my part. Usually I choose 87 without thinking. But I once read a discussion of the Midwest U.S. that said that even there sometimes the only ethanol is in the 91. So, maybe mine did contain ethanol. If so, it's hard to pronounce if there were problems associated with it, as my car is experiencing a problem with over-heating in traffic. I'm sure I'm misinformed on a couple of points, but it sure was nice to see that it might be in my tank, given the battle that has occurred to get it in there. Now, what's this about it being bad for my car? Are you saying generally bad, or only when there's too much water, or what? jl On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:42:36 +0100 (BST), you wrote: A few stations over here in Australia are trying the same thingbeware ethanol contains water and water it down they do. Honestly it is very bad for any vehicle and should only be used in emergencies with octane boosters. By the way has anyone seen or collected any info on structure and build-designs of ceramic engines? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stopped at a 76 station on route 5 today midway between LA and San Francisco and noticed a sign on the pump reading that the fuel may contain ethanol. Can't recall but it may have been phrased almost as though it were a warning, though not as harsh as the MTBE warnings you see. Anyway, I don't see these signs yet in So.Cal. but I'll keep looking. Re-examination of the ethanol stories shows Philips as one of the companies going somewhat ethanol, so that makes sense. Don't know the reason
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
murdoch wrote: Stopped at a 76 station on route 5 today midway between LA and San Francisco and noticed a sign on the pump reading that the fuel may contain ethanol. Can't recall but it may have been phrased almost as though it were a warning, though not as harsh as the MTBE warnings you see. Anyway, I don't see these signs yet in So.Cal. but I'll keep looking. Re-examination of the ethanol stories shows Philips as one of the companies going somewhat ethanol, so that makes sense. Don't know the reason for the ambivalent may contain though. I wonder if they'd just be using it as an octane enhancer or something. James wrote: A few stations over here in Australia are trying the same thingbeware ethanol contains water and water it down they do. Honestly it is very bad for any vehicle and should only be used in emergencies with octane boosters. By the way has anyone seen or collected any info on structure and build-designs of ceramic engines? murdoch wrote: As it happens, I filled up with 91 Octane instead of 87 or 89. Really a 1 in 100 choice on my part. Usually I choose 87 without thinking. But I once read a discussion of the Midwest U.S. that said that even there sometimes the only ethanol is in the 91. So, maybe mine did contain ethanol. If so, it's hard to pronounce if there were problems associated with it, as my car is experiencing a problem with over-heating in traffic. I'm sure I'm misinformed on a couple of points, but it sure was nice to see that it might be in my tank, given the battle that has occurred to get it in there. Now, what's this about it being bad for my car? Are you saying generally bad, or only when there's too much water, or what? MH wrote: Alcohol tends to cool engine combustion so I've read. It may also clean fuel systems requiring fuel filter replacement. Its my hope your radiator fan is running properly and coolant level is adequate unless your thermostat is going. The only times I've experienced trouble with E-10 ethanol blended gasoline rated at 89 octane was several years ago when a notorious large chain of gasoline stations lost credibility with it clientele offering discounts per gallon to makeup market share only to change their marquee. Their was also a French chain that left me weary of their formulations. This was just before Minnesota was talking about transitioning to ethanol blends state wide 8-( My vehicle experienced hesitant power loses when excelerating and on occasion difficulty starting engine which required more alcohol in the tank and me jumping on the rear bumper to agitate mixture. Ten, fifteen minutes later my Stanley steamer headed down the road over the hills with the fuel sloshing about continuing where I left off. Other service station chains in Minnesota and Iowa had provided reliable service using E-10 ethanol blends and I haven't needed HEAT (methanol) or Isopropyl alcohols. Fast Facts About Ethanol Below-zero wind chills and fluctuating temperatures make ethanol-blended fuels the best choice for motorists during the winter months. When temperature varies, it causes moisture in the air to condense on the inside of fuel tanks and lines. Water in the fuel tank and lines can freeze, causing cars and trucks to stall or not start. These conditions can be avoided by using fuels containing ethanol. Ethanol attracts water in the fuel system, mixes with it, and carries it through the system with the fuel. This makes ethanol an excellent gas line antifreeze, eliminating the need to pay extra for an expensive over-the-counter product. Most small engine manufacturers have recognized the value of ethanol for years. Ethanol is safe for use in snowmobiles. Ethanol is safe for use in motorboats. http://www.iowacorn.org/cip_fastfacts.htm Questions and Answers about Water Contamination and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends Minnesota, USA - Weights Measures Petroleum Q: Is water contamination in gasoline a big problem in Minnesota? Q: How do you know if there is water in a station's gasoline? Q. If water might not be detected, what prevents station owners from watering down their gasoline/ethanol blends? Q: If station operators do not intentionally water down their product, how does water get into a station's storage tank? Q: If ethanol absorbs water, how can you have water contamination in a gasoline/ethanol blend? Q: What happens if people buy phase-separated gasoline? Q: Will everyone who buys phase-separated gasoline experience car problems? Q: How does a station operator remove the water from a phase-separated blend? Q: What should I do if I suspect I have purchased water contaminated gas? http://www.commerce.state.mn.us/pages/WeightMeasure/WMGasContam.htm Gas/Ethanol Fuels: Tank Up! by Bob Hoffmann, from the March 2001 Newsletter Moscow Food
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
MH wrote: Alcohol tends to cool engine combustion so I've read. It may also clean fuel systems requiring fuel filter replacement. Its my hope your radiator fan is running properly and coolant level is adequate unless your thermostat is going. There is almost certainly something temporarily wrong with my car. Thus, I am unable to relate anything to the ethanol (if there even was any in the gasoline). Fast Facts About Ethanol You cited a lot of facts about ethanol but to some extent they were in a jumble. It looks like ethanol's alleged damaging properties to engines are in great dispute. I have always thought that perhaps much of the allegation was nonsense, when I considered the source (the Petroleum Industry) but that there might be something to the matter, under some conditions, that might lead to non-optimal burning, given that engines are more or less optimized to run on a petroleum product. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
Ethanol works best in an engine when it contains between 10-25 percent water. Why should ethanol be used with octane boosters? It already has an octane above 100. James Field wrote: A few stations over here in Australia are trying the same thingbeware ethanol contains water and water it down they do. Honestly it is very bad for any vehicle and should only be used in emergencies with octane boosters. By the way has anyone seen or collected any info on structure and build-designs of ceramic engines? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
Practical Use of Ethanol 1. It is unlikely that the ethanol has been watered down. It is absorbing the water in storage and from your tank. It will take at least 3 to 4 full tanks full to get the water out. 2. As the ethanol cleans your system, your car is likely to run very poorly. The second and third tanks are the worst - stick with it, it is well worth the effort. 3. On my third tank the engine backfired and gave off a HUGE cloud of soot (the engine being cleaned). 4. I never had to change the fuel filter or anything on the car. 5. Because of the lower BTU content, your engine is likely to run somewhat cooler. Easier on the AC, harder to warm it up in the winter. This is the best gasoline available. Stick with it and I think you will be quite surprised at how well your engine runs. Craig Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
- Original Message - From: Craig Pech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 08:08 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use Practical Use of Ethanol 1. It is unlikely that the ethanol has been watered down. It is absorbing the water in storage and from your tank. It will take at least 3 to 4 full tanks full to get the water out. Get a bottle of ' Heet ' (it is made to remove water from gas tanks to keep gas lines from freezing ), this might help. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
Thanks to several different posters for putting up these various cumulatively informative explanations. For example with Craig's information I was able to see that there are both pros and cons that seem to come from a sort of dosage of ethanol, in terms of engine-cleaning. It may seem to a real enemy of the fuel that one can conclude that it's just a disaster, but in fact there's another side to the matter. That's the sort of thing that has always left me a bit wary of accepting any one simple explanation: proponents seem to sometimes not even acknowledge any drawbacks at all (such as what seems to be the temporarily worse performance in Craig's description) and detractors seem to take any temporary or condition-based drawbacks on performance as an excuse to dismiss the technology out-of-hand (a classic sign, in my opinion, that they lack a commitment to an objective evaluation of the technology). Practical Use of Ethanol 1. It is unlikely that the ethanol has been watered down. It is absorbing the water in storage and from your tank. It will take at least 3 to 4 full tanks full to get the water out. Get a bottle of ' Heet ' (it is made to remove water from gas tanks to keep gas lines from freezing ), this might help. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
murdoch wrote: You cited a lot of facts about ethanol but to some extent they were in a jumble. It looks like ethanol's alleged damaging properties to engines are in great dispute. MH wrote: Can you provide documentation to collaborate your opinions ?? Mine where only based on years of personal vehicle experience and the use of various alcohols namely - methanol, isopropyl, ethanol in my internal combustion spark ignition engines fuel systems. Gasoline absorbs very little water to my knowledge thus the necessity for using alcohol particularly when condensation builds up. ` Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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MH wrote: murdoch wrote: You cited a lot of facts about ethanol but to some extent they were in a jumble. It looks like ethanol's alleged damaging properties to engines are in great dispute. MH wrote: Can you provide documentation to collaborate your opinions ?? Mine where only based on years of personal vehicle experience and the use of various alcohols namely - methanol, isopropyl, ethanol in my internal combustion spark ignition engines fuel systems. Gasoline absorbs very little water to my knowledge thus the necessity for using alcohol particularly when condensation builds up. MH wrote: Its been years since ive seen one of my carburetor floats becoming saturated - flooding the engine compartment. Some of my black rubber hoses slowly turned to black goo when using a product called HEAT ingredients - methanol. Haven't noticed any changes using isopropyl or ethanol, well lets say no noticeable fuel leaks around the vehicles but then ive replaced parts over the years which may be the reason or no longer using HEAT. Your guess is as good as mine. ` Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
methanol + water will even eat aluminum Kirk -Original Message- From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:53 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use MH wrote: murdoch wrote: You cited a lot of facts about ethanol but to some extent they were in a jumble. It looks like ethanol's alleged damaging properties to engines are in great dispute. MH wrote: Can you provide documentation to collaborate your opinions ?? Mine where only based on years of personal vehicle experience and the use of various alcohols namely - methanol, isopropyl, ethanol in my internal combustion spark ignition engines fuel systems. Gasoline absorbs very little water to my knowledge thus the necessity for using alcohol particularly when condensation builds up. MH wrote: Its been years since ive seen one of my carburetor floats becoming saturated - flooding the engine compartment. Some of my black rubber hoses slowly turned to black goo when using a product called HEAT ingredients - methanol. Haven't noticed any changes using isopropyl or ethanol, well lets say no noticeable fuel leaks around the vehicles but then ive replaced parts over the years which may be the reason or no longer using HEAT. Your guess is as good as mine. ` Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Murdoch, When are you going to set up an investment fund for manufacturing biofuels? Craig - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use Thanks to several different posters for putting up these various cumulatively informative explanations. For example with Craig's information I was able to see that there are both pros and cons that seem to come from a sort of dosage of ethanol, in terms of engine-cleaning. It may seem to a real enemy of the fuel that one can conclude that it's just a disaster, but in fact there's another side to the matter. That's the sort of thing that has always left me a bit wary of accepting any one simple explanation: proponents seem to sometimes not even acknowledge any drawbacks at all (such as what seems to be the temporarily worse performance in Craig's description) and detractors seem to take any temporary or condition-based drawbacks on performance as an excuse to dismiss the technology out-of-hand (a classic sign, in my opinion, that they lack a commitment to an objective evaluation of the technology). Practical Use of Ethanol 1. It is unlikely that the ethanol has been watered down. It is absorbing the water in storage and from your tank. It will take at least 3 to 4 full tanks full to get the water out. Get a bottle of ' Heet ' (it is made to remove water from gas tanks to keep gas lines from freezing ), this might help. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ztNCyD/zDLEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
A few stations over here in Australia are trying the same thingbeware ethanol contains water and water it down they do. Honestly it is very bad for any vehicle and should only be used in emergencies with octane boosters. By the way has anyone seen or collected any info on structure and build-designs of ceramic engines? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stopped at a 76 station on route 5 today midway between LA and San Francisco and noticed a sign on the pump reading that the fuel may contain ethanol. Can't recall but it may have been phrased almost as though it were a warning, though not as harsh as the MTBE warnings you see. Anyway, I don't see these signs yet in So.Cal. but I'll keep looking. Re-examination of the ethanol stories shows Philips as one of the companies going somewhat ethanol, so that makes sense. Don't know the reason for the ambivalent may contain though. I wonder if they'd just be using it as an octane enhancer or something. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Relive the FIFA World Cup goals with exclusive video highlights! http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/en [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mid-California Ethanol use
As it happens, I filled up with 91 Octane instead of 87 or 89. Really a 1 in 100 choice on my part. Usually I choose 87 without thinking. But I once read a discussion of the Midwest U.S. that said that even there sometimes the only ethanol is in the 91. So, maybe mine did contain ethanol. If so, it's hard to pronounce if there were problems associated with it, as my car is experiencing a problem with over-heating in traffic. I'm sure I'm misinformed on a couple of points, but it sure was nice to see that it might be in my tank, given the battle that has occurred to get it in there. Now, what's this about it being bad for my car? Are you saying generally bad, or only when there's too much water, or what? jl On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:42:36 +0100 (BST), you wrote: A few stations over here in Australia are trying the same thingbeware ethanol contains water and water it down they do. Honestly it is very bad for any vehicle and should only be used in emergencies with octane boosters. By the way has anyone seen or collected any info on structure and build-designs of ceramic engines? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stopped at a 76 station on route 5 today midway between LA and San Francisco and noticed a sign on the pump reading that the fuel may contain ethanol. Can't recall but it may have been phrased almost as though it were a warning, though not as harsh as the MTBE warnings you see. Anyway, I don't see these signs yet in So.Cal. but I'll keep looking. Re-examination of the ethanol stories shows Philips as one of the companies going somewhat ethanol, so that makes sense. Don't know the reason for the ambivalent may contain though. I wonder if they'd just be using it as an octane enhancer or something. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Relive the FIFA World Cup goals with exclusive video highlights! http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/en [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
