RE: t-and-f: NCAA comment
Maybe he instills the will to win ??? Maybe he knows how to get his athletes to peak at just the right time. Come on give credit where credit is due. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November 2000 05:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: NCAA comment In a message dated 11/21/00 7:42:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not quite fair to discount McDonnell's team's performance. They didn't win on talent, they won on coaching. PERIOD. Schiefer So what does McDonnell do that nobody else does???...give it up Schiefer A.C.
t-and-f: Fwd: [OZTRACK] Emil Zatopek dies aged 78
In a message dated 11/22/00 6:41:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_1035000/1035152.stm Wednesday, 22 November, 2000, 11:12 GMT Czech legend Zatopek dies Legendary Czech athlete Emil Zatopek has died aged 78 in a Prague military hospital. Zatopek, who became a quadruple Olympic champion between 1948 and 1952, was suffering with a mystery virus which was complicated by pneumonia and a weakened heart rate. He was hospitalised after a stroke on 30 October and had been in a critical condition since. Nicknamed "the locomotive" in his prime, Zatopek won four Olympic gold medals. Born on 19 September 1922, in the north-east town of Koprivnice, Zatopek was the only athlete in Olympic history to have won three gold medals in long-distance events at a single Olympiad when he won three gold medals in Helsinki in 1952. He took gold in the 5,000m, 10,000m and the marathon to add to his medal collection from London in 1948, where he won gold in the 10,000m and silver in the 5,000m. Zatopek's victory in the marathon was particularly memorable after he had inquired whether the pace was fast enough for his rivals before racing past the finishing line to finish 700m ahead of the stunned chasing pack. "I wanted to win every time I was on the track," Zatopek told his biographers. "At Helsinki, I was tired after the 10,000m race, but I still shattered all my rivals." His successful athletic career encompassed a total of 18 world records over 15 years, including the accolade of becoming the first athlete to finish a 10,000m race under 29 minutes. Never one to follow populist trends, Zatopek eschewed the orthodox training methods in favour of his own unique style which made a significant impact on modern day athletics. Instead of practising long distances, he preferred numerous 400m circuit runs at full speed to perfect his explosive finishes, along with improving his overall stamina. Off the track, Zatopek was expelled from his senior position in the army and the Czech Communist Party after his open support for the democratic movement, known as the "Prague Spring" in 1962. Uranium mine The Communist rulers, deeply unhappy that one of the nation's biggest stars had undermined their rule, sent Zatopek to a Czech uranium mine where he was forced to work for six years. Married for 52 years with fellow-athlete Dana Ingrova, a former Olympic champion in javelin, he became the first Czech athlete to be awarded the UN's Pierre de Coubertin Prize for promoting Fair Play. The Government eventually acknowledged his contribution to Czechoslovakian sport when they employed him to work for the Ministry of Sport in 1982. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_1035000/1035152.stm Wednesday, 22 November, 2000, 11:12 GMT Czech legend Zatopek dies Legendary Czech athlete Emil Zatopek has died aged 78 in a Prague military hospital. Zatopek, who became a quadruple Olympic champion between 1948 and 1952, was suffering with a mystery virus which was complicated by pneumonia and a weakened heart rate. He was hospitalised after a stroke on 30 October and had been in a critical condition since. Nicknamed "the locomotive" in his prime, Zatopek won four Olympic gold medals. Born on 19 September 1922, in the north-east town of Koprivnice, Zatopek was the only athlete in Olympic history to have won three gold medals in long-distance events at a single Olympiad when he won three gold medals in Helsinki in 1952. He took gold in the 5,000m, 10,000m and the marathon to add to his medal collection from London in 1948, where he won gold in the 10,000m and silver in the 5,000m. Zatopek's victory in the marathon was particularly memorable after he had inquired whether the pace was fast enough for his rivals before racing past the finishing line to finish 700m ahead of the stunned chasing pack. "I wanted to win every time I was on the track," Zatopek told his biographers. "At Helsinki, I was tired after the 10,000m race, but I still shattered all my rivals." His successful athletic career encompassed a total of 18 world records over 15 years, including the accolade of becoming the first athlete to finish a 10,000m race under 29 minutes. Never one to follow populist trends, Zatopek eschewed the orthodox training methods in favour of his own unique style which made a significant impact on modern day athletics. Instead of practising long distances, he preferred numerous 400m circuit runs at full speed to perfect his explosive finishes, along with improving his overall stamina. Off the track, Zatopek was expelled from his senior position in the army and the Czech Communist Party after his open support for the democratic movement, known as the "Prague Spring" in 1962. Uranium mine The Communist rulers, deeply unhappy that one of the nation's biggest stars had undermined their
t-and-f: Emil Zatopek dies aged 78
A legend passes away. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_1035000/1035152.stm Wednesday, 22 November, 2000, 11:12 GMT Czech legend Zatopek dies Legendary Czech athlete Emil Zatopek has died aged 78 in a Prague military hospital. Zatopek, who became a quadruple Olympic champion between 1948 and 1952, was suffering with a mystery virus which was complicated by pneumonia and a weakened heart rate. He was hospitalised after a stroke on 30 October and had been in a critical condition since. Nicknamed "the locomotive" in his prime, Zatopek won four Olympic gold medals. Born on 19 September 1922, in the north-east town of Koprivnice, Zatopek was the only athlete in Olympic history to have won three gold medals in long-distance events at a single Olympiad when he won three gold medals in Helsinki in 1952. He took gold in the 5,000m, 10,000m and the marathon to add to his medal collection from London in 1948, where he won gold in the 10,000m and silver in the 5,000m. Zatopek's victory in the marathon was particularly memorable after he had inquired whether the pace was fast enough for his rivals before racing past the finishing line to finish 700m ahead of the stunned chasing pack. "I wanted to win every time I was on the track," Zatopek told his biographers. "At Helsinki, I was tired after the 10,000m race, but I still shattered all my rivals." His successful athletic career encompassed a total of 18 world records over 15 years, including the accolade of becoming the first athlete to finish a 10,000m race under 29 minutes. Never one to follow populist trends, Zatopek eschewed the orthodox training methods in favour of his own unique style which made a significant impact on modern day athletics. Instead of practising long distances, he preferred numerous 400m circuit runs at full speed to perfect his explosive finishes, along with improving his overall stamina. Off the track, Zatopek was expelled from his senior position in the army and the Czech Communist Party after his open support for the democratic movement, known as the "Prague Spring" in 1962. Uranium mine The Communist rulers, deeply unhappy that one of the nation's biggest stars had undermined their rule, sent Zatopek to a Czech uranium mine where he was forced to work for six years. Married for 52 years with fellow-athlete Dana Ingrova, a former Olympic champion in javelin, he became the first Czech athlete to be awarded the UN's Pierre de Coubertin Prize for promoting Fair Play. The Government eventually acknowledged his contribution to Czechoslovakian sport when they employed him to work for the Ministry of Sport in 1982.
Re: t-and-f: NCAA comment
In a message dated 11/22/00 12:36:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what does McDonnell do that nobody else does???. I'm not sure, but maybe more people should copy it. Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: Zatopek's greatest record
While Zatopek's Olympic triple will surely never be duplicated, I believe he set another record that is just as, if not more untouchable: an unbroken streak of 69 victories over 5,000 and 10,000 meters between 1949 and 1952. Few elite runners today will even come close to running 69 combined 5000 and 10,000 meters in their careers. Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
Re: t-and-f: NCAA XC Splits and Leader Info
Allow me to explain why we used mile splits for the announcing at the NCAA XC meet. Remember, we are using high school kids at the intermediate points with walkie talkies. We instruct them to give us the split, the leaders and the team scores or team 1-5 differentials, depending on their abilities. From our past experience, we have found that the kilo marks are just too often (3 minutes) to relay and verify credible information. Therefore, we use the mile splits. Now, if we had running chips on everyone's foot and transponder readers at each kilo, then splits, leaders and team scores would be a breeze!!! I hope this helps, Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:51:16 -0600 From: "Wayne T. Armbrust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: NCAA XC Splits and Leader Info David Dallman wrote: I must say there's something I don't understand about you all in the USA. Having spent the first 28 years of my life in England, I don't have any problem at all with miles. For cross-country races, where there is less need to compare times across courses because the courses vary a lot, I don't even have a problem with races STILL being contested over miles. But here we have 2 races whose total distance is declared to be a whole number of kilometres (6, 10 respectively) yet the splits are recorded every mile! So at the end, there's a fraction of a mile left over for which you don't get any split. Would have been much more interesting to see kilometre splits and to be able to look at the final kilometer split. David Dallman I have given up trying to argue the logic that you have expressed above. Maybe when someone from another country points out how foolish we are to give mile splits in kilometer races it will get out attention. By the way David, we also give mile splits in metric road races. To be fair, however, I was there (coldest I've been in many years) and some kilometer splits were given. Also, kilometer splits are often given in track races. But mile splits are universally given in road races and in almost all cross country races. - -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx(tm) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - - Coach Bill Sudeck
t-and-f: Corrections
Netters: Senility is really setting in. 1) I forgot to give Julie Farrell's destination. It is Stanford/ 2_ Franklyn Sanchez is, of course, at georgetown (my sons will kill me for this mistake). So the Villanova foursome are all virtually no-names, though Jon Fasulo is certainly famiiiar to us here in NJ. Too bad his classmate, Tim Styler, is not in top form or the Wildcats might have actually beaten Stanford. On another note, I can't see how the NCAA can grant the extra year to Jennings and Stember. Maybe we should just go to the international system (for the University Games) and let everyone compete as long as they are attending college either as an undergad or grad. Trivia question: does anyone know what highly-esteemed institution if higher learning used to have athletes competing who had already completed their careers at another college? Ed Grant
t-and-f: NCaa TV
when is the meet going to be aired? Does anyone have a tape of the start? i doubt that many people were taping (just seems like it was too cold to tape- my mothers camara froze). I would really like to see the start so if anyone has pictures or a tape could you let me know? Thanks Dan Wilson _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Zatopek's greatest record
The best thing the amazing Emil Zatopek ever did was to give one of his Olympic 5,000-meter gold medals to the legendary Ron Clarke. From all I've heard and read, Zapopek was an absolutely terrific man. He will be missed. Steve Lurie
Re: t-and-f: NCAA comment
Coach Mac's record stands on it's own. He's obviously has an excellent system which allows his athletes to perform their best on the right day. To say that Stanford has more "talent" than Arkansas is just not true. Karanu, Travis, Karie and Link certainly stack up, in terms of perceived talent, with any grouping of Stanford runners. Seems to me Stanford had a couple of more guys competing in Sydney than the Hogs did including that other noted "no talent" - Michael Powers. Steve S. However, what excuse does Stanford have.? They get the best talent year in and year out. Compare the talent that Stanford had this year, with that of Arkansas'. There's no contest. Stanford would win every time.
t-and-f: National X-country championships
I live in Boston, and intend to watch the races this weekend in Franklin Park. I assume it is on Sunday; does anyone know what time it starts? Thanks, Bruce Goodchild Cambridge/Boston.
Re: t-and-f: National X-country championships
In a message dated 11/22/00 1:51:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: live in Boston, and intend to watch the races this weekend in Franklin Park. I assume it is on Sunday; does anyone know what time it starts? Thanks, It's Saturday
Re: t-and-f: National X-country championships
Bruce, Check it out because I think that Sunday gets you there a day late. JL Bruce Goodchild wrote: I live in Boston, and intend to watch the races this weekend in Franklin Park. I assume it is on Sunday; does anyone know what time it starts? Thanks, Bruce Goodchild Cambridge/Boston.
t-and-f: national XC
the women race at 11:45, and the men are after that. There is a masters race and another race before the womens 6k. see you'll there. Dan Wilson _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
t-and-f: Emil Zatopek
I first met Emil Zatopek at the Prague European Championships in 1978 and was amazed at how friendly and warm he was to mere hacks. We would meet at the stadium bar/cafe and he would talk track and field for however long people wanted to listen. He was self deprecatory, too. Talking about his 10,000m gold in Helsinki he said: "Ah, but everybody helped me. Because I'd won gold in 1948 the other runners said: 'where would you like to stand Mr Zatopek' and they kept behind me." Not only was he an immense talent but an immense man too. I decided at those championships (the first big meet apart from the 1970 Commonwealth Games that I'd covered) that I would collect some autographs. Emil signed the front cover and when I approached Mary Peters she went to sign alongside him. "Can you sign on the back or inside Mary?" I asked. "But I'm an Olympic champion, too," she good naturedly replied before willingly signing the inside front cover. She also realised what a special man Emil Zatopek was. Randall Northam
Re: t-and-f: NCAA comment
So what does McDonnell do that nobody else does???...give it up Schiefer A.C. My guess is this: tradition. He gets everyone on the same page at the right time better than anyone. In the eyes of Arkansas there is only one meet during an XC season. The others are just training runs. You don't want to be the ones who failed to bring home the trophy so you suck it up and give the best performance of your life. Just my thoughts. Alan _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
t-and-f: USATF Fall Nationals - Saturday November 25
The race times are: 10:30 - Women's 6K 11:15 - Men's 10K 12:30 - Masters 10K The link that was on the usatf website was old and not updated. The results will be at www.usatfne.org sometime in the early afternoon Steve Vaitones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Fwd: B.A.A. and adidas present the USA Fall Cross Country Championship s
MEDIA ADVISORY The Boston Athletic Association and adidas present the USA Fall Cross Country Championships Franklin Park in Dorchester Boston, Massachusetts When: Saturday, November 25 Where: The Playstead (across from New England Zoo). Schedule: Women's Championship... 10:30 a.m. Men's Championship ... 11:15 a.m. Masters Championship... 12:30 p.m. Athletes from more than 34 clubs will contest the Men's Championship, including members of the following top regional teams from across the United States: The Farm Team (Southern California); Hanson's Running Shop (MI); Indiana Invaders; Reebok Aggies (San Francisco Bay Area); Reebok Enclave (Washington, D.C. area); and Wisconsin Runner Racing Team. Representation from the Boston area will be strong, as the following clubs will field full teams: Boston Athletic Association (host club), Boston Running Club, Cambridge Sports Union, Greater Boston Track Club, Greater Lowell Road Runners, Greater Springfield Harriers, and Reebok Boston. The Women's Championship features athletes from more than 28 clubs, the most competitive of which are adidas Club Connecticut; Club Northwest (Washington); The Farm Team (Southern California); Fila Track West (Southern California); Indiana Invaders; Syracuse Chargers; and Wisconsin Runner Racing Team. Five Boston area teams are expected to vie for the title, including host Boston Athletic Association, Boston Running Club, Greater Boston Track Club, Greater Lowell Road Runners and Reebok Boston. The Farm Team won both the men's and women's championship in 1999 when the event was staged in Long Beach, California. In recent local competition held at Franklin Park in Dorchester, Reebok Boston won the men's titles both at the Mayor's Cup (October 22) and New England Championship (November 12), while the B.A.A. was victorious on the women's side at these two events. Results information will be posted by 6:00 p.m. on Saturday, November 25 at www.usatfne.org For further information, please contact Jack Fleming, B.A.A. (Cell number: 617-212-6009). Meet organization by USA Track Field - New England (Meet Director: Steve Vaitones, 617-566-7600 or Michael Collins, cell phone number 617-285-4225). # # # Steve Vaitones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Goodbye to a legend
Netters: Let me just second all that has been written on the list to date about the great Emil Zatopek. His name stands with the egreatest icons in the sport and, as my good friend Steve Lurie pointed out, the greatest thing about him was not his amazing running career, but his worth as a human being. Ed Grant
t-and-f: Title defense won't be easy
Title defense won't be easy By Michael Sandrock Camera Sports Writer If you were to take winner Kara Grgas-Wheeler out of the results from Monday's NCAA cross country championships, the champion University of Colorado women would still have taken second with all those runners returning next fall. And the men, who placed second overall, return four sophomores, and also six of their top seven, while team winner Arkansas was a senior-dominated squad. That bodes well for the future, CU head coach Mark Wetmore said on Tuesday, although several teams will be capable of taking Colorado's title next fall. full item: http://thedailycamera.com/buffzone/sports/22sxc.html == "Sometimes it's easy to be myself, sometimes I find it's better to be somebody else" - D.M. _ i-run.com - your running log A free online running log
t-and-f: Holiday Greetings
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
t-and-f: NEEDS AUTHORITATIVE ACTION
To All Runners/ Officials Last week, I was in an audition for a commercial featuring a long jumper for Degree Antiperspirant. The commercial is going to air during hockey games throughout Canada. My e-mail is intended to alert the necessary authorities to stop the commercial. The content includes a jumper who is going for the world record and as such, has increased stress levels measured on an indicator to the right/ bottom of the screen. When the jumber acheives the world record, the indicator level falls to assume the jumper is releived of his stress. Most importantly, while the jumper is celebrating his victory, he spots a drug testing booth, reacts in a shocked manner, and the indicator shoots up again to end the commercial. On the eve of the World Champs in our host nation, is this the image we want of our sport? Despite being chosen for the commercial, all three of us who auditioned turned it down and gave up the money in protest. Please, if you have the authority, do something!!! Ryan Sullivan 939-7534 _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
t-and-f: Zatopek; 'human locomotive' who made Olympic history
The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 23 November 2000 Tom Knight EMIL ZATOPEK, the four-time Olympic gold medallist and arguably the world's greatest ever distance runner, has died in Prague at the age of 78 following a long illness. The former Czech army colonel, who was hospitalised with a viral infection in early September, suffered from pneumonia and heart problems before succumbing last month to a stroke. He is survived by his wife, Dana. Zatopek dominated distance running in the years between the London Olympics of 1948, when he became the first runner to win a gold medal for Czechoslovakia, and the Games four years later in Helsinki, where he became the first and only man to complete the clean sweep of the 5,000 metres, 10,000 metres and, in his first attempt at the event, the marathon. His dominance was such that he won 38 consecutive 10,000 metre races between May 1948 and July 1954 - including 11 in 1949 alone - and broke the world record on five occasions, improving it by more than 40sec. He broke 18 world records in all. Self-coached and nicknamed "the human locomotive", Zatopek was equally famous for his ungainly running style. With his arms flaying, head rolling and his tongue often hanging from one side of his mouth, Zatopek's agonised expression suggested he was in constant pain. But he made no excuses for his lack of finesse. He once said: "It is not gymnastics or ice skating, you know." His approach to training was equally unorthodox. His phenomenal performances were the result of a punishing regime, involving runs of 15 miles a day and gruelling track sessions, often completed in his army boots to make his feet feel lighter on race day. His methods even included holding his breath until he almost passed out. He was 30 by the time he went to Helsinki for the 1952 Olympics. With the schedule allowing him to try all three distance events, Zatopek first won the 10,000 metres by 16sec and took the 5,000 title in a thrilling sprint finish before lining up, three days later, for the marathon. As a novice in a field of proven marathon runners, Zatopek made a point of introducing himself to Jim Peters, the British world record holder, on the start line. He duly followed Peters for 10 miles before asking: "Jim, the pace - is it too fast?" When Peters jokingly replied: "Emil, the pace - it is too slow," Zatopek responded by going past the Briton to secure his third victory and third Olympic record of the Games. There to meet him at the finish was Dana, the team-mate he had married shortly after the London Games and who had earlier won the women's javelin title. Juan Antonio Samaranch, the president of the International Olympic Committee, recently referred to those Games when he was asked for his favourite Olympic memory, mainly because of the sound of a packed stadium in Helsinki chanting Zatopek's name as he entered the arena. After his last race in 1957, Zatopek remained a national icon, and it was his resistance to the Russian invasion of 1968, that led to his dismissal from the army and the wilderness years when he was forced to take menial, demanding work, which left him with an irregular heartbeat. The tributes to Zatopek's achievements, both on and off the track, were led by Sir Chris Chataway, who was 21 when he led into the home straight at the end of the 1952 Olympic 5,000m final before falling. He described Zatopek as an athlete who revolutionised distance running. Said Chataway: "Even if I hadn't fallen, Zatopek would have won. He was invincible. His training was a world away from what we were doing and not far off what athletes are doing now. He was very approachable, and I remember him as an excellent human being, who showed great courage and paid for it." Emile Zatopek Fact File Born: Sept 19, 1922, in Koprivnice (Czechoslovakia) HONOURS Olympics: 5,000m: silver (London 1948), gold (Helsinki 1952) 10,000m: gold (1948, 1952) Marathon: gold (1952) European Championships: 5,000m: gold (1950), bronze (1954) 10,000m: gold (1950, 1954) WORLD RECORDS 18 (including) 5,000m: 13m 57.2s, May 30 1954 at Colombes (France) Six miles: 27m 59.2s, June 1 1954 at Brussels 10,000m: 28m 54.2s, June 1 1954 at Brussels 10 miles: 48m 12s, Sept 29 1951 at Stara Boleslav (Czechoslovakia) 20km: 59m 51s, Sept 29 1951 at Stara Boleslav Hour: 20.052km, Sept 29 1951 at Stara Boleslav Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: Re: Ryan Sullivan posts
Today, within a two-minute period, "Ryan Sullivan" sent three posts to this address, each with different subject lines, all with the same message. I don't know what his scam might be, but I resent his sending it under a mailing address of "seb_coe" and find it deeply suspicious that he addressed one of those mailings to "Athletics Canada Officials" on this list, when Canada has its own, similar, mailing list and he didn't post anything of the sort there. I would urge the present supervisor to take a hard look at whether this is valid and appropriate content for this list. Roger
t-and-f: ncaa xc pix
many of you may have already visited the www.trackwire.rivals.com site for ncaa cross country post-race stuff, but if you haven't seen our pix yet (or read the quotes after the chilly race), check it out... i don't care what the other warm-weather birds said, the weather made it a blast, although my camera batteries went down 10 min. before the race, and i had to scramble with my 'b' equipment (so please be gentle with your criticism/comments)... happy holidays! g ps thanks to all the fans, media and meet workers (esp. volunteers and iowa state staff people) who helped make the event one of the smoothest ever -- their cooperation reminds me of how many thousands of people really love the sport, many of whom donate their time to publicize and promote its growth -- your hard work is appreciated and respected...people there like the mike scott's, roger jenning's, sean hartnett's, walt murphy's, etc. -- the list goes on and on -- work their tails off for little to keep the sport alive -- keep it up! Geoff Thurner Assistant Director/Publications Coordinator University of Oregon Media Services - Athletics Len Casanova Center 2727 Leo Harris Parkway Eugene, OR 97401 Phone: (541) 346-2250 Fax: (541) 346-5449 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.goducks.com GO DUCKS!! - GO DUCKS!! - GO DUCKS!!
