Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Jo]

That doesn't seem very helpful for cycling users of the map or its routers.
If there is a blue round sign with a bicycle on it, I'd call that
designated, or a blue rectangular one. Or the pavement is in a pinkish
colour (here in Belgium). If I find a sandy track in the forest, where it's
obvious horses are galloping there on a regular basis, I know to stay away
from them. One because it's very tiresome to advance on them, but more
importantly it's dangerous for cyclist, horseback rider AND horse when a
collision happens at galloping speeds.

Jo

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 17:28 Jass Kurn  wrote:

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>
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 at 10:03, Peter Neale via Tagging <
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>> It is "bicycles=yes" and not "bicycles=designated" because, for a
>> bridleway   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway
>> "Cyclists also have a right, unless the local authority makes orders to
>> the contrary ...The local authority is not obliged to ensure
>> suitability for bicycles, unlike for foot or horse users."#
>>
>
>
> Disagree with that, I always map a Public Bridleway as bicycle=designated.
> Cyclists have a statutory right to use these ways, which should be meaning
> behind the designated. The fact there is no requirement to maintain a
> Public Bridleway to a standard acceptable to all cyclists, does not impact
> on the right to use the way. It's a secondary matter that does not fall
> under "access". Or looking at this in another way. The fact a Public
> Footpath does not have to meet standards that would allow ALL pedestrians
> to use them, but does not mean a public footpath should be tagged foot=yes
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 at 10:03, Peter Neale via Tagging <
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> It is "bicycles=yes" and not "bicycles=designated" because, for a
> bridleway   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway
> "Cyclists also have a right, unless the local authority makes orders to
> the contrary ...The local authority is not obliged to ensure
> suitability for bicycles, unlike for foot or horse users."#
>


Disagree with that, I always map a Public Bridleway as bicycle=designated.
Cyclists have a statutory right to use these ways, which should be meaning
behind the designated. The fact there is no requirement to maintain a
Public Bridleway to a standard acceptable to all cyclists, does not impact
on the right to use the way. It's a secondary matter that does not fall
under "access". Or looking at this in another way. The fact a Public
Footpath does not have to meet standards that would allow ALL pedestrians
to use them, but does not mean a public footpath should be tagged foot=yes

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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Mike Thompson]

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 4:58 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> 1) at least some people may be interested in places where cycling across
> steps is legal (not fan of MTBing etc but at least some people like it?
> not really sure here about whether it is actually something that people
> look for )
>
It is quite common to have steps on mountain bike trails and in
mountain bike skill parks.  They are actually not too difficult to ride
down, however riding up can be a bit more challenging.

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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging]

1) true, but wouldn't that by default be all steps unless otherwise 
noted? I guess in this case it's assumed that the steps inherit their 
implicit access from bridleway, so that might be different from the 
general case...?
2) a noble cause, but again I would think that excluding bicycle=no from 
such a list of places would be more beneficial than including bicycle=yes

3) of course

At any rate, the worst outcome of this is redundant information in OSM, 
which isn't so bad all things considered :)


Jens

On 29.04.2024 12:49, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:

1) at least some people may be interested in places where cycling across
steps is legal (not fan of MTBing etc but at least some people like it?
not really sure here about whether it is actually something that people
look for )

2) people may be interested in places where cyclists nominally have
right of the way but actual infrastructure is not suitable for cycling

3) yes, routers need to look also on other tags and process various
obstacles (see also surface=sand and so

And in general meaning is clear: these are steps were cyclist are
allowed to cycle.

Note it does not mean that cycling is feasible or a good idea there.

Apr 29, 2024, 08:36 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:

Generally speaking, how do we reconcile these two?

bicycle=yes
highway=steps

What is a data consumer supposed to infer from this as opposed to
just highway=steps? As long as foot=designated, aren't cyclists
always allowed to get off the bike and push/carry it? And wouldn't
they have to when there are steps?

Jens

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Hi DaveF,

Acting on advice, I have already split the Bridleway and
re-tagged 2 sections as:

bicycle=yes
designation=public_bridleway
foot=designated
highway=steps
horse=designated
incline=down  (or up)
lit=no
surface=paved

The steps can be seen on aerial imagery (a bit fuzzy on Bing, but
particularly clear in the aerial imagery whose name shall not be
mentioned in OSM), plus I remember running through there a few 
months ago, so I know that the steps are there.  I intend to
visit again soon and add more detail (number of steps, etc.)

Between these is a section of the orignal way, which is now
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1277843368

I hope this helps and that you agree with the tagging.

Regards,
Peter

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Could you provide the link to the OSM way please?
DaveF

On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:

Advice, please.

A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial
imagery) steps going down before it passes under a road bridge,
and a similar number up again on the other side.

How can I best tag this? According to the wiki, "highway=steps"
seems to be *an alternative to*, not *a qualification of *
"highway=bridleway". I don't want to mislead consumers by
breaking the bridleway, but I don't want cycling consumers to be
unaware of the fact that there are a few steps to descend /
ascend, which may require a dismount.



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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Andy Townsend]

On 28/04/2024 23:09, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

... how do horses handle the steps in the bridleway?


better than cyclists :)

Lots of historic bridleways in hilly areas in England are quite steep, 
and often steps have been added for foot access to stop hikers sliding 
down the slope. Sometimes there's a sloped part alongside; sometimes 
there isn't. I've added "horse_scale" in some cases locally (see 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1KQS ) although that may not really be 
relevant here (MK is famous for concrete cows rather than horses of any 
type).


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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

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1) at least some people may be interested in places where cycling across
steps is legal (not fan of MTBing etc but at least some people like it?
not really sure here about whether it is actually something that people
look for )

2) people may be interested in places where cyclists nominally have
right of the way but actual infrastructure is not suitable for cycling

3) yes, routers need to look also on other tags and process various
obstacles (see also surface=sand and so

And in general meaning is clear: these are steps were cyclist are
allowed to cycle.

Note it does not mean that cycling is feasible or a good idea there.

Apr 29, 2024, 08:36 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:

> Generally speaking, how do we reconcile these two?
>  
>  bicycle=yes
> highway=steps
>  
>  What is a data consumer supposed to infer from this as opposedto 
> just highway=steps? As long as foot=designated, aren'tcyclists always 
> allowed to get off the bike and push/carry it?And wouldn't they have 
> to when there are steps?
>
> Jens
>  
>  On 28/04/2024 21:35, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
>
>> Hi DaveF,
>>
>> Acting on advice, I havealready split the Bridleway and 
>> re-tagged 2 sections as:
>>
>> bicycle=yes
>> designation=public_bridleway
>> foot=designated
>> highway=steps
>> horse=designated
>> incline=down  (or up)
>> lit=no
>> surface=paved
>>
>> The steps can be seen onaerial imagery (a bit fuzzy on Bing, but 
>> particularly clearin the aerial imagery whose name shall not be 
>> mentioned inOSM), plus I remember running through there a few  
>> monthsago, so I know that the steps are there.   I intend to 
>> visitagain soon and add more detail (number of steps, etc.)
>>
>> Between these is a sectionof the orignal way, which is now >> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1277843368
>>
>> I hope this helps and thatyou agree with the tagging.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Peter
>>
>> (PeterPan99)
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 28 April 2024 at 17:35:58 BST, Dave F viaTagging >> 
>>  >>  wrote:
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>>
>> Could you provide the link to the OSM way please?
>>  DaveF
>>
>> On28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
>>
>>> Advice, please.
>>>
>>> A local Public Bridleway has a few(3, 4 or 5 from 
>>> Aerial imagery) steps going downbefore it passes 
>>> under a road bridge, and asimilar number up again 
>>> on the other side.
>>>
>>> How can I best tag this?  Accordingto the wiki, 
>>> "highway=steps" seems to be *analternative to*, not 
>>> *a qualification of *"highway=bridleway". I don't 
>>> want to misleadconsumers by breaking the bridleway, 
>>> but I don'twant cycling consumers to be unaware of 
>>> the factthat there are a few steps to descend / 
>>> ascend,which may require a dismount.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Peter
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks, all!

Graeme


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> Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2024 um 09:47 Uhr schrieb Jo :
>
>> I was wondering about that myself. They seem to be 'long' steps. So a
>> horse wouldn't have too much trouble with them.
>>
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> there is this property which might be applying:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:flat_steps
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Warin]

Horses are good at handling various obstacles.

If you can find a local 'horse trial' go along and look. Yes it is a 
competition... But I don't map them as they are usually on private 
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Peter Neale via Tagging]

Hi,
It is my understanding, from the Wiki at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle, that "bicycles=yes" means that 
bicycles are permitted, but says nothing about the ease of riding one there. 
It is "bicycles=yes" and not "bicycles=designated" because, for a bridleway   
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway"Cyclists also have 
a right, unless the local authority makes orders to the contrary ...The 
local authority is not obliged to ensure suitability for bicycles, unlike for 
foot or horse users."#
BTW you can still carry (or push) a bicycle, even where the way is tagged 
"bicycle=no".  (from the wiki again) "bicycle / no / Where bicycles are not 
permitted, ensure this is indicated. Note that carrying or pushing bicycles may 
be still accepted".
So, thanks for asking, but I remain happy with "highway=steps"; "bicycle=yes"
Regards,Peter
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On Monday, 29 April 2024 at 07:35:48 BST, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging 
 wrote:  
 
Generally speaking, how do we reconcile these two?
 
 bicycle=yes highway=steps
 
 What is a data consumer supposed to infer from this as opposed to just 
highway=steps? As long as foot=designated, aren't cyclists always allowed to 
get off the bike and push/carry it? And wouldn't they have to when there are 
steps?
  
 Jens
 
 On 28/04/2024 21:35, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
  
 
  Hi DaveF, 
  Acting on advice, I have already split the Bridleway and re-tagged 2 sections 
as: 
bicycle=yes designation=public_bridleway foot=designated highway=steps 
horse=designated incline=down  (or up) lit=no surface=paved
   
  The steps can be seen on aerial imagery (a bit fuzzy on Bing, but 
particularly clear in the aerial imagery whose name shall not be mentioned in 
OSM), plus I remember running through there a few  months ago, so I know that 
the steps are there.   I intend to visit again soon and add more detail (number 
of steps, etc.) 
  Between these is a section of the orignal way, which is now 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1277843368 
  I hope this helps and that you agree with the tagging.
 
 Regards, Peter 
  (PeterPan99)   
  
  On Sunday, 28 April 2024 at 17:35:58 BST, Dave F via Tagging 
 wrote:  
  
 Could you provide the link to the OSM way please?
 DaveF
 
  On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
  
  Advice, please. 
  A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) steps 
going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar number up again 
on the other side. 
  How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems to be 
*an alternative to*, not *a qualification of * "highway=bridleway". I don't 
want to mislead consumers by breaking the bridleway, but I don't want cycling 
consumers to be unaware of the fact that there are a few steps to descend / 
ascend, which may require a dismount. 
  
  
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Peter Neale via Tagging]

Hi,  
They are, indeed, quite "long".  I do not own a horse, nor have I seen one use 
this section of bridleway, however, I guess that, with each step having only a 
modest "rise" and a long "run", horses should have little difficulty walking up 
or down them, just as we do. 
key:flat_step *might* be appropriate (and useful to consumers looking to take a 
child's buggy along the way).  I will give that some thought.
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Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2024 um 09:47 Uhr schrieb Jo :

I was wondering about that myself. They seem to be 'long' steps. So a horse 
wouldn't have too much trouble with them. 




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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

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Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2024 um 09:47 Uhr schrieb Jo :

> I was wondering about that myself. They seem to be 'long' steps. So a
> horse wouldn't have too much trouble with them.
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Jo]

I was wondering about that myself. They seem to be 'long' steps. So a horse
wouldn't have too much trouble with them. Also parallel with it on the
other side of the small river there is a cycleway with no steps. That one
is on Mapillary.

Jo

Op ma 29 apr 2024 om 00:15 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick :

> Completely aside from mapping them in OSM, but how do horses handle the
> steps in the bridleway?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

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Am So., 28. Apr. 2024 um 16:40 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend :

> Assuming we're talking about something that's signed as a "Public
> Bridleway" in England and Wales*, then at the most basic level there are
> two tags to consider:
>
>- highway=steps
>- designation=public_bridleway
>
> The first of those says that there are some steps.  There's no other way
> of doing that; there are steps, so highway=steps it is.
>


actually there would be an alternative, although it is not used so often:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Abarrier%3Dstep
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging]

Generally speaking, how do we reconcile these two?

bicycle=yes
highway=steps

What is a data consumer supposed to infer from this as opposed to just 
highway=steps? As long as foot=designated, aren't cyclists always 
allowed to get off the bike and push/carry it? And wouldn't they have to 
when there are steps?


Jens

On 28/04/2024 21:35, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:

Hi DaveF,

Acting on advice, I have already split the Bridleway and re-tagged 2 
sections as:


bicycle=yes
designation=public_bridleway
foot=designated
highway=steps
horse=designated
incline=down  (or up)
lit=no
surface=paved

The steps can be seen on aerial imagery (a bit fuzzy on Bing, but 
particularly clear in the aerial imagery whose name shall not be 
mentioned in OSM), plus I remember running through there a few  months 
ago, so I know that the steps are there.   I intend to visit again 
soon and add more detail (number of steps, etc.)


Between these is a section of the orignal way, which is now 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1277843368


I hope this helps and that you agree with the tagging.

Regards,
Peter

(PeterPan99)


On Sunday, 28 April 2024 at 17:35:58 BST, Dave F via Tagging 
 wrote:



Could you provide the link to the OSM way please?
DaveF

On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:

Advice, please.

A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) 
steps going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar 
number up again on the other side.


How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps" 
seems to be *an alternative to*, not *a qualification of * 
"highway=bridleway". I don't want to mislead consumers by breaking 
the bridleway, but I don't want cycling consumers to be unaware of 
the fact that there are a few steps to descend / ascend, which may 
require a dismount.




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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Completely aside from mapping them in OSM, but how do horses handle the
steps in the bridleway?

Thanks

Graeme


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> Hi DaveF,
>
> Acting on advice, I have already split the Bridleway and re-tagged 2
> sections as:
>
> bicycle=yes
> designation=public_bridleway
> foot=designated
> highway=steps
> horse=designated
> incline=down  (or up)
> lit=no
> surface=paved
>
> The steps can be seen on aerial imagery (a bit fuzzy on Bing, but
> particularly clear in the aerial imagery whose name shall not be mentioned
> in OSM), plus I remember running through there a few  months ago, so I know
> that the steps are there.   I intend to visit again soon and add more
> detail (number of steps, etc.)
>
> Between these is a section of the orignal way, which is now
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1277843368
>
> I hope this helps and that you agree with the tagging.
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>
> (PeterPan99)
>
>
> On Sunday, 28 April 2024 at 17:35:58 BST, Dave F via Tagging <
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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>
> Could you provide the link to the OSM way please?
> DaveF
>
> On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
>
> Advice, please.
>
> A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) steps
> going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar number up
> again on the other side.
>
> How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems to
> be *an alternative to*, not *a qualification of * "highway=bridleway". I
> don't want to mislead consumers by breaking the bridleway, but I don't want
> cycling consumers to be unaware of the fact that there are a few steps to
> descend / ascend, which may require a dismount.
>
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

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Hi DaveF,
Acting on advice, I have already split the Bridleway and re-tagged 2 sections 
as:
 
bicycle=yesdesignation=public_bridlewayfoot=designatedhighway=stepshorse=designatedincline=down
  (or up)lit=nosurface=paved

The steps can be seen on aerial imagery (a bit fuzzy on Bing, but particularly 
clear in the aerial imagery whose name shall not be mentioned in OSM), plus I 
remember running through there a few  months ago, so I know that the steps are 
there.   I intend to visit again soon and add more detail (number of steps, 
etc.)
Between these is a section of the orignal way, which is now 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1277843368
I hope this helps and that you agree with the tagging.

Regards,Peter
(PeterPan99) 

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  Could you provide the link to the OSM way please?
 DaveF
 
 On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
  
  Advice, please. 
  A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) steps 
going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar number up again 
on the other side. 
  How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems to be 
*an alternative to*, not *a qualification of * "highway=bridleway". I don't 
want to mislead consumers by breaking the bridleway, but I don't want cycling 
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ascend, which may require a dismount. 
  
  
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Dave F via Tagging]

Could you provide the link to the OSM way please?
DaveF

On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:

Advice, please.

A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) 
steps going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar 
number up again on the other side.


How can I best tag this? According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems 
to be *an alternative to*, not *a qualification of * 
"highway=bridleway". I don't want to mislead consumers by breaking the 
bridleway, but I don't want cycling consumers to be unaware of the 
fact that there are a few steps to descend / ascend, which may require 
a dismount.




Regards,
Peter

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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Peter Neale via Tagging]

Hi Andy,
Many thanks indeed for the very speedy advice.  I will do the basic tagging now 
(from aerial imagery and memory) and visit again shortly to add more detail.
Regards,Peter
 PeterPan99
On Sunday, 28 April 2024 at 15:40:53 BST, Andy Townsend  
wrote:  
 
  On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
  
 
A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) steps going 
down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar number up again on the 
other side. 
  How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems to be 
*an alternative to*, not *a qualification of * "highway=bridleway". I don't 
want to mislead consumers by breaking the bridleway, but I don't want cycling 
consumers to be unaware of the fact that there are a few steps to descend / 
ascend, which may require a dismount.  
Assuming we're talking about something that's signed as a "Public Bridleway" in 
England and Wales*, then at the most basic level there are two tags to consider:

   
   - highway=steps
   
   - designation=public_bridleway
 
The first of those says that there are some steps.  There's no other way of 
doing that; there are steps, so highway=steps it is.  There are of course lots 
of other tags that can add information to the physical steps (how many, which 
way is up, is there a bicycle ramp, etc.)
 
The second of those covers the legal "this is a public bridleway" part, as 
perhttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:designation=public%20bridleway?uselang=en-GB
 .  You can also add "foot", "horse" and "bicycle" tags too as a helper to data 
consumers that may not understand "designation".
 
 
There are plenty of designated bridleways with steps on them - see 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1KNx .
 
Best Regards,
 
Andy
 
* for Scotland 
seehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotland
 and for Northern Ireland 
seehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom#Northern_Ireland
 .
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Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Andy Townsend]

On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) 
steps going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar 
number up again on the other side.


How can I best tag this? According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems 
to be *an alternative to*, not *a qualification of * 
"highway=bridleway". I don't want to mislead consumers by breaking the 
bridleway, but I don't want cycling consumers to be unaware of the 
fact that there are a few steps to descend / ascend, which may require 
a dismount.


Assuming we're talking about something that's signed as a "Public 
Bridleway" in England and Wales*, then at the most basic level there are 
two tags to consider:


 * highway=steps
 * designation=public_bridleway

The first of those says that there are some steps.  There's no other way 
of doing that; there are steps, so highway=steps it is. There are of 
course lots of other tags that can add information to the physical steps 
(how many, which way is up, is there a bicycle ramp, etc.)


The second of those covers the legal "this is a public bridleway" part, 
as per 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:designation=public%20bridleway?uselang=en-GB 
.  You can also add "foot", "horse" and "bicycle" tags too as a helper 
to data consumers that may not understand "designation".


There are plenty of designated bridleways with steps on them - see 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1KNx .


Best Regards,

Andy

* for Scotland see 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotland 
and for Northern Ireland see 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom#Northern_Ireland 
.
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[Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Peter Neale via Tagging]

Advice, please.
A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) steps going 
down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar number up again on the 
other side.
How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems to be 
*an alternative to*, not *a qualification of * "highway=bridleway". I don't 
want to mislead consumers by breaking the bridleway, but I don't want cycling 
consumers to be unaware of the fact that there are a few steps to descend / 
ascend, which may require a dismount.


Regards,Peter
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