Re: [Talk-transit] Tagging of railway station
Thank you for your answers. I was also inclined to add railway=station tag to a node rather than to an area. But some French mappers advocate for the 'area' solution, contrary to the former version of the wiki, and I've begun to hesitate between both the approaches. So I was hoping this debate could be settled, but currently this is clearly not the case... Doesn't this matter interest anybody else ? Or doesn't anybody else have an opinion about this question ? This problem is not know (see place=*). We even already have an solution: role label. The role label could be interesting, but how can we use it ? Did you mean we could create a label relation [1] ? Or did you mean we should add a node with the role label to the stop_area relation which would be tagged railway=station (but the stop_area could also contain a bus station, a subway station, etc.) ? For new created objects I only use the new scheme but I do not delete the older tags if already tagged but only add the new ones. So I think it means you add the public_transport=station tag to the same node/area which was already tagged railway=station (as Roland did), doesn'it ? Cheers, Zigeuner [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Label___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[talk-ph] UAV/Drone imagery over Tacloban
Sharing you this drone/uav imagery made by Corephil: https://mapsengine.google.com/05777347155276867190-09507073323105492707-4/mapview/ We are still working out details of license and how it can be used for OSM tracing. Will update later. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] UAV/Drone imagery over Tacloban
Nice! The distortion is quite annoying though. Anyway, the guys over at Drone Adventures have photographed various location in Haiti: http://www.droneadventures.org/2013/05/29/haiti/ Their photos are really well orthorectified. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:42 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Sharing you this drone/uav imagery made by Corephil: https://mapsengine.google.com/05777347155276867190-09507073323105492707-4/mapview/ We are still working out details of license and how it can be used for OSM tracing. Will update later. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] SOTM-PH 2013 slides and photos
Our first SOTM-PH event is over! Slides and photos here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_Philippines_2013 We had some technical problems in streaming the event. But thanks to jules, most of the presentations were recorded. We have a few gigs of video that requires splicing, merging and uploading if anyone has the chops to do this, let me know. I intend to write a post about what happened, but one thing I can tell you, our work is highly appreciated by the humanitarian circle (local and international) responding to the Yolanda affected areas. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] UAV/Drone imagery over Tacloban
Hi, Le 17/12/2013 12:49, Eugene Alvin Villar a écrit : Nice! The distortion is quite annoying though. Anyway, the guys over at Drone Adventures have photographed various location in Haiti: http://www.droneadventures.org/2013/05/29/haiti/ And they have volunteered to come to the Philippines to fly their Ebees and produce open (libre) orthomosaics and DEM, for areas to be determined (as have other mapping drones suppliers). Mark has offered to work with them on the ground to help out. All that is missing for now is plane tickets, so if anyone has (relatively small) funding ideas, they are welcome. Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem Their photos are really well orthorectified. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:42 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Sharing you this drone/uav imagery made by Corephil: https://mapsengine.google.com/05777347155276867190-09507073323105492707-4/mapview/ We are still working out details of license and how it can be used for OSM tracing. Will update later. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] UAV/Drone imagery over Tacloban
Cool, what did they use to make it?? Cheers Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt *See me on StackExchange http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/17846/mark-c* === The contents of this email are intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the email and any attachments. === On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:42 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Sharing you this drone/uav imagery made by Corephil: https://mapsengine.google.com/05777347155276867190-09507073323105492707-4/mapview/ We are still working out details of license and how it can be used for OSM tracing. Will update later. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] [IMAGERY] 44 WorldView-1 images of Coron, Caluya Islands and South Mindoro available
Hi,
44 WorldView-1 panchromatic images of Busuanga and neighboring islands
(Coron), Caluya Islands and south of Mindoro were taken on 2013-12 14
and 15.
They are under the NextView license, which you must have accepted before
using them.
They are available both in the WMS server and as a TMS layer, the JOSM
URL of which is:
tms[23]:http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/coroncaluyasmindoro_wv1_20131214_15_pan/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
Use source=WorldView-1, DigitalGlobe, NextView, 2013121415
As usually, adjust the location to other elements before tracing,
specially as the published version did not include the RPCs, which is
the reason why the images are offset between each other.
Many thanks to DigitalGlobe, USGS, HDDS and to all those who contributed
to make them available.
Best wishes,
Jean-Guilhem
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Re: [talk-ph] UAV/Drone imagery over Tacloban
On Tuesday, 17 December, 2013 07:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Anyway, the guys over at Drone Adventures have photographed various location in Haiti: http://www.droneadventures.org/2013/05/29/haiti/ Their photos are really well orthorectified. Damn these things are cute ... https://www.sensefly.com/drones/ebee.html They mention the software they use for orthorectification too http://pix4d.com/products/ Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-talk-be] decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie
Hi All, We recieved this email on the okfn-be list from Pieter: Noël Van Herreweghe of Corvé/Bestuurzaken Flemish government published a list of datasets that should be open data according decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie and the new policy at the Flemish Government that databases should be open by default, not by exception. If you cannot access a certain dataset in this list: http://demo.thedatatank.com/flanders/datasets you should send an email to the responsible organisation. If the organisation declines you the access to this we can start a beroepsprocedure. In all other cases we will have a bunch of new open data :) I already did this for Codex Vlaanderen. They first reacted a bit slow and asked me question about how I wanted the data. When I got it, I've put it on Github. Right now they are moving towards a more professional way of opening up their data. All because just one question. Conclusion: we need your help! Send a couple of emails, open Flanders :) This is also relevant here, the data in this list should be available as open-data (same licence as CRAB) and there is a lot of geo-data. A few highlights from that list: - GRB - MRB Wegen - De Lijn routeplanner - ... @jo: I you want you can now request full access to the data from de lijn quoting this decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie, they should give you the relevant data including an appropriate licence without you having to guarantee them . I think this also implies the schedules. @marc: I see 'Inventaris Bouwkundig Erfgoed' and other relevant stuff! :-) If you plan on trying to get a dataset then maybe it's a good idea to post this on this list. This will prevent duplicate efforts. I will try and get the GRB/MRB wegen or access to it. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie
I once downloaded the shape or kmz file from https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be/faq/kaarten. The problem is that I want to link it with information from wikipedia, so I still need to continue with the wikipedia data. I also don't know under which license they provide their kmz/shape file. I don't see it mentioned on e.g. https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be/portaal/kaarten regards m On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, We recieved this email on the okfn-be list from Pieter: Noël Van Herreweghe of Corvé/Bestuurzaken Flemish government published a list of datasets that should be open data according decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie and the new policy at the Flemish Government that databases should be open by default, not by exception. If you cannot access a certain dataset in this list: http://demo.thedatatank.com/flanders/datasets you should send an email to the responsible organisation. If the organisation declines you the access to this we can start a beroepsprocedure. In all other cases we will have a bunch of new open data :) I already did this for Codex Vlaanderen. They first reacted a bit slow and asked me question about how I wanted the data. When I got it, I've put it on Github. Right now they are moving towards a more professional way of opening up their data. All because just one question. Conclusion: we need your help! Send a couple of emails, open Flanders :) This is also relevant here, the data in this list should be available as open-data (same licence as CRAB) and there is a lot of geo-data. A few highlights from that list: - GRB - MRB Wegen - De Lijn routeplanner - ... @jo: I you want you can now request full access to the data from de lijn quoting this decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie, they should give you the relevant data including an appropriate licence without you having to guarantee them . I think this also implies the schedules. @marc: I see 'Inventaris Bouwkundig Erfgoed' and other relevant stuff! :-) If you plan on trying to get a dataset then maybe it's a good idea to post this on this list. This will prevent duplicate efforts. I will try and get the GRB/MRB wegen or access to it. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie
That's good news. What about TEC and MIVB? Can I ask them too? Jo 2013/12/17 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com Hi All, We recieved this email on the okfn-be list from Pieter: Noël Van Herreweghe of Corvé/Bestuurzaken Flemish government published a list of datasets that should be open data according decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie and the new policy at the Flemish Government that databases should be open by default, not by exception. If you cannot access a certain dataset in this list: http://demo.thedatatank.com/flanders/datasets you should send an email to the responsible organisation. If the organisation declines you the access to this we can start a beroepsprocedure. In all other cases we will have a bunch of new open data :) I already did this for Codex Vlaanderen. They first reacted a bit slow and asked me question about how I wanted the data. When I got it, I've put it on Github. Right now they are moving towards a more professional way of opening up their data. All because just one question. Conclusion: we need your help! Send a couple of emails, open Flanders :) This is also relevant here, the data in this list should be available as open-data (same licence as CRAB) and there is a lot of geo-data. A few highlights from that list: - GRB - MRB Wegen - De Lijn routeplanner - ... @jo: I you want you can now request full access to the data from de lijn quoting this decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie, they should give you the relevant data including an appropriate licence without you having to guarantee them . I think this also implies the schedules. @marc: I see 'Inventaris Bouwkundig Erfgoed' and other relevant stuff! :-) If you plan on trying to get a dataset then maybe it's a good idea to post this on this list. This will prevent duplicate efforts. I will try and get the GRB/MRB wegen or access to it. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie
As far as De Lijn is concerned, I don't get the impression much has changed: http://www.delijn.be/geoloket/index.htm Overheden en overheidsgerelateerde instanties kunnen via de AGIV-downloadtoepassing http://download.agiv.be/ geografische kaarten en gegevens bekomen. Als u geen toegang wordt verleend, kunt u onze data ook in andere formaten aanvragenhttp://www.delijn.be/reisinformatie/meer/data.htm. *U zult dan een gebruiksovereenkomst moeten ondertekenen. * No idea what would become available through the AGIV interface. Maybe I should go and work for the government to find out... :-) Jo 2013/12/17 Pieter Colpaert pieter.colpa...@okfn.org The decreten are Flemish ones. Yet they come from the European PSI directive, so you can try to use the directive to get to them. Sadly, I have no knowledge of a beroepscommissie for Brussels or Wallonia. Kind regards, Pieter On 2013-12-17 13:36, Jo wrote: That's good news. What about TEC and MIVB? Can I ask them too? Jo 2013/12/17 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com Hi All, We recieved this email on the okfn-be list from Pieter: Noël Van Herreweghe of Corvé/Bestuurzaken Flemish government published a list of datasets that should be open data according decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie and the new policy at the Flemish Government that databases should be open by default, not by exception. If you cannot access a certain dataset in this list: http://demo.thedatatank.com/flanders/datasets you should send an email to the responsible organisation. If the organisation declines you the access to this we can start a beroepsprocedure. In all other cases we will have a bunch of new open data :) I already did this for Codex Vlaanderen. They first reacted a bit slow and asked me question about how I wanted the data. When I got it, I've put it on Github. Right now they are moving towards a more professional way of opening up their data. All because just one question. Conclusion: we need your help! Send a couple of emails, open Flanders :) This is also relevant here, the data in this list should be available as open-data (same licence as CRAB) and there is a lot of geo-data. A few highlights from that list: - GRB - MRB Wegen - De Lijn routeplanner - ... @jo: I you want you can now request full access to the data from de lijn quoting this decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie, they should give you the relevant data including an appropriate licence without you having to guarantee them . I think this also implies the schedules. @marc: I see 'Inventaris Bouwkundig Erfgoed' and other relevant stuff! :-) If you plan on trying to get a dataset then maybe it's a good idea to post this on this list. This will prevent duplicate efforts. I will try and get the GRB/MRB wegen or access to it. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing listTalk-be@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- +32 486 74 71 22 Open Knowledge Foundation Belgiumhttp://okfn.be Open Transport Working Group OKFNhttp://transport.okfn.org ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Overheden en overheidsgerelateerde instanties kunnen via de AGIV-downloadtoepassing http://download.agiv.be/ geografische kaarten en gegevens bekomen. Als u geen toegang wordt verleend, kunt u onze data ook in andere formaten aanvragenhttp://www.delijn.be/reisinformatie/meer/data.htm. *U zult dan een gebruiksovereenkomst moeten ondertekenen. * If i'm getting this right the 'decreet' makes sure that they cannot force you to sign this. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:54:54PM +0100, Ben Abelshausen wrote: Hi All, We recieved this email on the okfn-be list from Pieter: Noël Van Herreweghe of Corvé/Bestuurzaken Flemish government published a list of datasets that should be open data according decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie and the new policy at the Flemish Government that databases should be open by default, not by exception. If you cannot access a certain dataset in this list: http://demo.thedatatank.com/flanders/datasets you should send an email to the responsible organisation. If the organisation declines you the access to this we can start a beroepsprocedure. In all other cases we will have a bunch of new open data :) I already did this for Codex Vlaanderen. They first reacted a bit slow and asked me question about how I wanted the data. When I got it, I've put it on Github. Right now they are moving towards a more professional way of opening up their data. All because just one question. Conclusion: we need your help! Send a couple of emails, open Flanders :) This is also relevant here, the data in this list should be available as open-data (same licence as CRAB) and there is a lot of geo-data. A few highlights from that list: - GRB - MRB Wegen - De Lijn routeplanner - ... At least GRB is currently not available, and I think that would be really useful to have. MRB doesn't exist yet. But basicly anything mentioned on download.agiv.be should be made freely available, unless they have some good reason not to? Kurt ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie
What means freely available ? That you can use it for private projects ? Or that you can copy it into OSM ? What are the licenses under which those data sets are available ? m On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:54:54PM +0100, Ben Abelshausen wrote: Hi All, We recieved this email on the okfn-be list from Pieter: Noël Van Herreweghe of Corvé/Bestuurzaken Flemish government published a list of datasets that should be open data according decreet openbaarheid van bestuur / decreet hergebruik van overheidsinformatie and the new policy at the Flemish Government that databases should be open by default, not by exception. If you cannot access a certain dataset in this list: http://demo.thedatatank.com/flanders/datasets you should send an email to the responsible organisation. If the organisation declines you the access to this we can start a beroepsprocedure. In all other cases we will have a bunch of new open data :) I already did this for Codex Vlaanderen. They first reacted a bit slow and asked me question about how I wanted the data. When I got it, I've put it on Github. Right now they are moving towards a more professional way of opening up their data. All because just one question. Conclusion: we need your help! Send a couple of emails, open Flanders :) This is also relevant here, the data in this list should be available as open-data (same licence as CRAB) and there is a lot of geo-data. A few highlights from that list: - GRB - MRB Wegen - De Lijn routeplanner - ... At least GRB is currently not available, and I think that would be really useful to have. MRB doesn't exist yet. But basicly anything mentioned on download.agiv.be should be made freely available, unless they have some good reason not to? Kurt ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: FW: [algemeen]Licentie Shape file/ KMZ-file
Suppose I want to use this data (aka copy it into OSM), I assume I have to mention the source somewhere on the wiki. Would that be sufficient ? And start an import project... -- Forwarded message -- From: Inventaris onroerenderfgoed inventaris.onroerenderfg...@rwo.vlaanderen.be Date: 2013/12/18 Subject: FW: [algemeen]Licentie Shape file/ KMZ-file To: marc.ge...@gmail.com marc.ge...@gmail.com Geachte, De data van het agentschap wordt momenteel vrijgegeven onder de Creative Commons Attribution licence versie 3: * http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/nl/legalcode Concreet houdt dit in dat data kosteloos mag gebruikt worden voor commerciële en niet-commerciële doeleinden, mits een correcte bronvermelding. In de toekomst zal de data ook ter beschikking worden gesteld onder de corresponderende open data licentie van de Vlaamse Overheid die momenteel in aanmaak zijn. Merk op dat wij deze datasets ook publiceren als geografische webdiensten. Voor herbruik in toepassingen kan dit eventueel een betere keuze kan zijn. Hierdoor dient u immer niet steeds zelf de data te vernieuwen. Merk op dat de WFS-service maximaal 5000 objecten per request teruggeeft. * WMS-service: https://geo.onroerenderfgoed.be/geoserver/ows?service=wmsversion=1.3.0request=GetCapabilities * WFS-service: https://geo.onroerenderfgoed.be/geoserver/ows?service=wfsversion=1.1.0request=GetCapabilities Met vriendelijke groeten, Maarten Vermeyen IT-teamverantwoordelijke Onroerend Erfgoed Phoenixgebouw | Koning Albert II-laan 19 bus 5 | 1210 Brussel M +32 (0)476 232 866 | www.onroerenderfgoed.be -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Erfgoed administratie [mailto:inventa...@onroerenderfgoed.be] Verzonden: dinsdag 17 december 2013 13:08 Aan: de algemene beheerder Onderwerp: [algemeen]Licentie Shape file/ KMZ-file Marc Gemis [marc.ge...@gmail.com] heeft een mail verzonden naar de algemene beheerder met als onderwerp: Licentie Shape file/ KMZ-file Betreffende het objekt met id nummer: == Begin bericht == Geachte, onder welke licentie maken jullie de shape-file (of KMZ-file beschikbaar ? Is dit enkel voor persoonlijk gebruik ? met vriendelijke groeten Marc == Einde bericht == Heb je bovenstaand bericht niet gestuurd of is er iets fout gelopen? Laat het ons dan weten door op deze mail te antwoorden.Met vriendelijke groeten, De beheerders. https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be Agentschap Onroerend Erfgoed. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk] SotM-EU 2014 - Call for Presentations
Hello everyone, i am pleased to announce the Call for Presentations for the SOTM-EU 2014 in June next year. Please communicate this to anyone who might might be interested in presenting something at the conference. The full text and links can also be found at the conference website (http://sotm-eu.org/en/pages/cfp) Call for Presentations Now as the cold time of the year is approaching many of you are spending the long and dark evenings working on some OpenStreetMap related projects like some tool, some mapping project or some creative use of the OpenStreetMap data. Maybe you think it would be nice to share your work with a larger European community next summer? Then we invite you to submit a presentation to the State of the Map Europe (SOTM-EU) conference in Karlsruhe, Germany in June next year. Where and when The SOTM-EU 2014 will take place in Karlsruhe from June 13-15, 2014. The conference will be hosted at Hochschule Karlsruhe. On Friday and Saturday there will be talks, and Sunday will be a hack day for practical work and discussion. Your presentation We would like SOTM-EU to be a platform for OpenStreetMap communities from across Europe, as well as for geodata professionals, cartographers and researchers, for sharing experiences, stories and knowledge around the OpenStreetMap project. In case * you are developing a tool related to OpenStreetMap for mapping, data processing, visualization or other applications * you have some mapping project, ideas on tagging or an innovative mapping technique * you are using OpenStreetMap data in a business project * you are doing research based on OpenStreetMap data * you are working on something else related to OpenStreetMap or that will be of interest for the community we invite you to submit a presentation proposal to the SOTM-EU programme committee. Are you involved with a local project anywhere in Europe? SOTM-EU is a great opportunity to present it to a Europe-wide audience. Regular talks will be 20 minutes long with five minutes for discussion. In addition we will offer the opportunity for shorter five minute lightning talks. You can submit both types of presentation in advance on the website. However, for the lightning talks there will also be the possibility of spontaneous registration at the conference. The conference language is English. Your submissions will be reviewed by a programme committee consisting of OpenStreetMap community members from various parts of Europe as well from the Hochschule Karlsruhe. Talk submission Talks can be submitted on the SOTM-EU web site (http://sotm-eu.org/en/presentations/new) where you will also find more information and updates on the conference. You should submit by February 28. We're looking forward to seeing you in Karlsruhe in June! On behalf of the SOTM-EU 2014 program committee, -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[talk-au] New member - making changes to Sydney -Epping, Eastwood, Lindfield areas
Hi, An introduction. I'm local to the North Epping area - so made some changes to this area and additions to Eastwood that were missing. So you know who to blame :) - Some list questions: I've gone back through the last 3 digests to get a feel of what is going on here .. -- I've some replies I'd like to made.. so? Just write an email with the subject set to Re:(original subject here) and write it up? These are subjects I've seen in recent archived digest... - Can I search for a particular topic - like the roads for WA... in past posts? Reason - I'd not like to repeat things answered in the past. e.g.s I think I've added a bit of a road to there but I've set it to track, from https://gis.mainroads.wa.gov.au/roadinformationmap/ I'd like to change the type of road errr Highway to something more appropriate... so it shows at a higher level of zoom. So there should be an existing topic on this - appropriate highway types for WA main road classifications.. somewhere in the past? Note I've yet to test it for continuity etc. + Umm I've some ideas for changes to to the Australian Tagging Guidelines - OpenStreetMap Wiki.htm.. too .. but would like to see past discussions on it first. Save repeating stuff. That will do ... Thanks for any answers/ideas Frank ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Dataset of interest: Geelong buildings
Hi all, Just saw http://data.gov.au/dataset/41527e85-0907-4faf-b5f4-e9655b23d128appear on my RSS feeds. Would there be interest in importing this data? Along with perhaps http://services.land.vic.gov.au/landchannel/content/vicmapdata?productID=1? (Explicit permission for this data set would be needed) If so, and if there are local geelong mappers on the list I could work with, I'll happily write up the proposal in more detail. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] lat/lon coletados
Pessoal eu tenho alguns giga de dados de gps coletados na região de são Paulo e ABCDM nos últimos na seguinte estrutura: 1 0001001 2013-12-13 19:39:32 -23.676290 -46.539580 0.00 2 0001003 2013-12-13 19:39:32 -23.690620 -46.520150 0.00 3 0001004 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.625580 -46.495460 0.00 4 0001005 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.536200 -46.452310 0.00 5 0001006 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.688990 -46.564780 0.00 6 0001007 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.715660 -46.562240 0.00 7 0001008 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.669590 -46.517060 0.00 Este tipo de informação é aproveitável no projeto, em caso positivo para quem envio as informações e licenças de uso dos dados? Reinaldo Neves ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] lat/lon coletados
Oi Reinaldo não sei se entendi muito bem a questão, mas normalmente tracklogs são carregados diretamente: http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces com alguma descrição do que significam. No seu caso eu penso que eles precisam ser primeiro convertidos para gpx (sugiro compactar com gzip). abraço Gerald 2013/12/17 Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br Pessoal eu tenho alguns giga de dados de gps coletados na região de são Paulo e ABCDM nos últimos na seguinte estrutura: 1 0001001 2013-12-13 19:39:32 -23.676290 -46.539580 0.00 2 0001003 2013-12-13 19:39:32 -23.690620 -46.520150 0.00 3 0001004 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.625580 -46.495460 0.00 4 0001005 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.536200 -46.452310 0.00 5 0001006 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.688990 -46.564780 0.00 6 0001007 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.715660 -46.562240 0.00 7 0001008 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.669590 -46.517060 0.00 Este tipo de informação é aproveitável no projeto, em caso positivo para quem envio as informações e licenças de uso dos dados? Reinaldo Neves ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Dr. Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com Personal website https://sites.google.com/site/geraldweberufmg/ Departamento de Física/Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais Department of Physics/Federal University of Minas Gerais Campus da Pampulha Av. Antônio Carlos, 6627, 31270-901 Belo Horizonte, MG, Brazil mobile: +55-(0)31-96462277 (mudou/changed 02/07/2013) ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] RES: lat/lon coletados
Esses dados são coletados por rádio taxi que usam um sistema da minha empresa, o volume ao certo não sei, mas tenho dados dos últimos dois anos. Se as informações forem uteis verei com essas rádio táxi se podem permitir o uso dessas informações de acordo com as regras do OSM, ainda não falei com nenhuma delas pois não vi sentido em levantar um assunto que não tenha continuidade, caso as informações não possa ser utilizadas. A segunda coluna do exemplo identifica uma unidade especifica, e os dados de cada uma são coletados em tempos que variam de 20 segundos a 1 minuto. Acredito que eu tenha que fazer realmente algum tratamento/separação desses dados ante de disponibilizá-lo, mas creio que esta é uma próxima etapa, após saber da utilidade e obter autorização do proprietário dos dados. Abraços ___ Reinaldo Neves Equação Informática E: (11) 3221-3722 :: rne...@equacao.com.br -Mensagem original- De: Ronaldo Maia [mailto:rom...@async.com.br] Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de dezembro de 2013 12:32 Para: OSM talk-br Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] lat/lon coletados Olá Reinaldo. Algumas dúvidas: - Qual a origem dos dados? - Qual seria a licença de uso que comentou? - Qual o período de coleta? - Quantos giga exatamente? Como o Gerald disse, será preciso converter eles para GPX. Um script para fazer isso deve ser fácil desenvolver. Caso precise, acho que posso ajudar. 2013/12/17 Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com: Oi Reinaldo não sei se entendi muito bem a questão, mas normalmente tracklogs são carregados diretamente: http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces com alguma descrição do que significam. No seu caso eu penso que eles precisam ser primeiro convertidos para gpx (sugiro compactar com gzip). abraço Gerald 2013/12/17 Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br Pessoal eu tenho alguns giga de dados de gps coletados na região de são Paulo e ABCDM nos últimos na seguinte estrutura: 1 0001001 2013-12-13 19:39:32 -23.676290 -46.539580 0.00 2 0001003 2013-12-13 19:39:32 -23.690620 -46.520150 0.00 3 0001004 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.625580 -46.495460 0.00 4 0001005 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.536200 -46.452310 0.00 5 0001006 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.688990 -46.564780 0.00 6 0001007 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.715660 -46.562240 0.00 7 0001008 2013-12-13 19:39:33 -23.669590 -46.517060 0.00 Este tipo de informação é aproveitável no projeto, em caso positivo para quem envio as informações e licenças de uso dos dados? Reinaldo Neves ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Dr. Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com Personal website Departamento de Física/Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais Department of Physics/Federal University of Minas Gerais Campus da Pampulha Av. Antônio Carlos, 6627, 31270-901 Belo Horizonte, MG, Brazil mobile: +55-(0)31-96462277 (mudou/changed 02/07/2013) ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Ronaldo Maia ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] RES: lat/lon coletados
Os dados não precisam ser necessariamente identificáveis. O OSM permite quatro tipos de privacidade a trilhas GPX subidas: - Privado (compartilhado apenas como pontos anônimos e não ordenados) - Pública (apresentado na lista como pontos anônimos e não ordenados) - Acompanhável (compartilhada anonimamente como pontos ordenados com informação de tempo) - Identificável (mostrado na lista como pontos identificáveis, ordenados e com informação de tempo) Esses tipos diferentes de privacidade foram criados justamente para casos como estes. Quanto a determinar quem é o dono dos dados, creio que seja ele, pois o rastreamento foi feito por ele usando seu próprio equipamento (ainda que dirigido por terceiros). []s Arlindo Pereira 2013/12/17 Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com Oi Reinaldo estes dados são úteis sim, aliás às vezes são a salvação especialmente no caso em que a imagem de satélite está encoberta por nuvens. No seu caso o que precisa é estabelecer quem é o dono dos dados, se é sua empresa ou a empresa de taxi. Isto não está estabelecido nos seus contratos? Se não está, acho bom estabelecer, independente do OSM, para evitar dores de cabeça futuros. Depois talvez verificar a questão da identificação. Como os dados contem dia e hora, significa que alguém passou pelo local nesta hora. Em princípio isto poderia levar a questões de privacidade. Uma maneira seria de anonimizar os dados escolhendo uma hora inicial fictícia de maneira aleatória, mas presenvando a diferença de tempo. Já data seria legal preservar, quando a gente visualiza diversos tracks de gps com precursos conflitantes às vezes se trata de registros de épocas diferentes, como por exemplo antes e depois da duplicação de uma rodovia. Sem a data não há como saber de que época são os dados o que reduz a utilidade. Até onde eu sei, os tracklogs carregados no OSM tem a mesma licença ODBL da base em sí. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_license_is_being_changed.3F abraço Gerald 2013/12/17 Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br Esses dados são coletados por rádio taxi que usam um sistema da minha empresa, o volume ao certo não sei, mas tenho dados dos últimos dois anos. Se as informações forem uteis verei com essas rádio táxi se podem permitir o uso dessas informações de acordo com as regras do OSM, ainda não falei com nenhuma delas pois não vi sentido em levantar um assunto que não tenha continuidade, caso as informações não possa ser utilizadas. A segunda coluna do exemplo identifica uma unidade especifica, e os dados de cada uma são coletados em tempos que variam de 20 segundos a 1 minuto. Acredito que eu tenha que fazer realmente algum tratamento/separação desses dados ante de disponibilizá-lo, mas creio que esta é uma próxima etapa, após saber da utilidade e obter autorização do proprietário dos dados. Abraços ___ Reinaldo Neves Equação Informática E: (11) 3221-3722 :: rne...@equacao.com.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] RES: RES: lat/lon coletados
São de carros diferentes, foi apenas uma amostra. ___ Reinaldo Neves Equação Informática (11) 3221-3722 -Mensagem original- De: Nelson A. de Oliveira [mailto:nao...@gmail.com] Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de dezembro de 2013 13:28 Para: OSM talk-br Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] RES: lat/lon coletados 2013/12/17 Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br: A segunda coluna do exemplo identifica uma unidade especifica, e os dados de cada uma são coletados em tempos que variam de 20 segundos a 1 minuto. Nesse seu exemplo, os tempos parecem ser de 1 segundo ou menos. É isso mesmo? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] RES: RES: lat/lon coletados
Vou acertar isso com certeza Gerald, de qualquer maneira tenho certeza pelo menos em uma delas consigo a autorização nos moldes osm necessários. Quanto a privacidade, esses dados iriam completamente anônimos, essa seria parte da minha lição de casa antes de processar qualquer coisa, criar uma base paralela sem a informação que possibilite identificar quem fez o percurso. ___ Reinaldo Neves Equação Informática (11) 3221-3722 De: Gerald Weber [mailto:gwebe...@gmail.com] Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de dezembro de 2013 13:27 Para: OSM talk-br Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] RES: lat/lon coletados Oi Reinaldo estes dados são úteis sim, aliás às vezes são a salvação especialmente no caso em que a imagem de satélite está encoberta por nuvens. No seu caso o que precisa é estabelecer quem é o dono dos dados, se é sua empresa ou a empresa de taxi. Isto não está estabelecido nos seus contratos? Se não está, acho bom estabelecer, independente do OSM, para evitar dores de cabeça futuros. Depois talvez verificar a questão da identificação. Como os dados contem dia e hora, significa que alguém passou pelo local nesta hora. Em princípio isto poderia levar a questões de privacidade. Uma maneira seria de anonimizar os dados escolhendo uma hora inicial fictícia de maneira aleatória, mas presenvando a diferença de tempo. Já data seria legal preservar, quando a gente visualiza diversos tracks de gps com precursos conflitantes às vezes se trata de registros de épocas diferentes, como por exemplo antes e depois da duplicação de uma rodovia. Sem a data não há como saber de que época são os dados o que reduz a utilidade. Até onde eu sei, os tracklogs carregados no OSM tem a mesma licença ODBL da base em sí. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_l icense_is_being_changed.3F abraço Gerald 2013/12/17 Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br Esses dados são coletados por rádio taxi que usam um sistema da minha empresa, o volume ao certo não sei, mas tenho dados dos últimos dois anos. Se as informações forem uteis verei com essas rádio táxi se podem permitir o uso dessas informações de acordo com as regras do OSM, ainda não falei com nenhuma delas pois não vi sentido em levantar um assunto que não tenha continuidade, caso as informações não possa ser utilizadas. A segunda coluna do exemplo identifica uma unidade especifica, e os dados de cada uma são coletados em tempos que variam de 20 segundos a 1 minuto. Acredito que eu tenha que fazer realmente algum tratamento/separação desses dados ante de disponibilizá-lo, mas creio que esta é uma próxima etapa, após saber da utilidade e obter autorização do proprietário dos dados. Abraços ___ Reinaldo Neves Equação Informática E: (11) 3221-3722 tel:%2811%29%203221-3722 :: rne...@equacao.com.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] RES: RES: lat/lon coletados
Arlindo, Creio que seria mias útil disponibilizar esses dados na qualificação acompanhável, a questão da privacidade e outros resolverei antes de disponibilizar os dados. Grato pelas informações ___ Reinaldo Neves Equação Informática (11) 3221-3722 De: Arlindo Pereira [mailto:openstreet...@arlindopereira.com] Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de dezembro de 2013 13:52 Para: OSM talk-br Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] RES: lat/lon coletados Os dados não precisam ser necessariamente identificáveis. O OSM permite quatro tipos de privacidade a trilhas GPX subidas: - Privado (compartilhado apenas como pontos anônimos e não ordenados) - Pública (apresentado na lista como pontos anônimos e não ordenados) - Acompanhável (compartilhada anonimamente como pontos ordenados com informação de tempo) - Identificável (mostrado na lista como pontos identificáveis, ordenados e com informação de tempo) Esses tipos diferentes de privacidade foram criados justamente para casos como estes. Quanto a determinar quem é o dono dos dados, creio que seja ele, pois o rastreamento foi feito por ele usando seu próprio equipamento (ainda que dirigido por terceiros). []s Arlindo Pereira 2013/12/17 Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com Oi Reinaldo estes dados são úteis sim, aliás às vezes são a salvação especialmente no caso em que a imagem de satélite está encoberta por nuvens. No seu caso o que precisa é estabelecer quem é o dono dos dados, se é sua empresa ou a empresa de taxi. Isto não está estabelecido nos seus contratos? Se não está, acho bom estabelecer, independente do OSM, para evitar dores de cabeça futuros. Depois talvez verificar a questão da identificação. Como os dados contem dia e hora, significa que alguém passou pelo local nesta hora. Em princípio isto poderia levar a questões de privacidade. Uma maneira seria de anonimizar os dados escolhendo uma hora inicial fictícia de maneira aleatória, mas presenvando a diferença de tempo. Já data seria legal preservar, quando a gente visualiza diversos tracks de gps com precursos conflitantes às vezes se trata de registros de épocas diferentes, como por exemplo antes e depois da duplicação de uma rodovia. Sem a data não há como saber de que época são os dados o que reduz a utilidade. Até onde eu sei, os tracklogs carregados no OSM tem a mesma licença ODBL da base em sí. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_l icense_is_being_changed.3F abraço Gerald 2013/12/17 Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br Esses dados são coletados por rádio taxi que usam um sistema da minha empresa, o volume ao certo não sei, mas tenho dados dos últimos dois anos. Se as informações forem uteis verei com essas rádio táxi se podem permitir o uso dessas informações de acordo com as regras do OSM, ainda não falei com nenhuma delas pois não vi sentido em levantar um assunto que não tenha continuidade, caso as informações não possa ser utilizadas. A segunda coluna do exemplo identifica uma unidade especifica, e os dados de cada uma são coletados em tempos que variam de 20 segundos a 1 minuto. Acredito que eu tenha que fazer realmente algum tratamento/separação desses dados ante de disponibilizá-lo, mas creio que esta é uma próxima etapa, após saber da utilidade e obter autorização do proprietário dos dados. Abraços ___ Reinaldo Neves Equação Informática E: (11) 3221-3722 tel:%2811%29%203221-3722 :: rne...@equacao.com.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] RES: lat/lon coletados
Hum, acho só agora caiu uma ficha: A segunda coluna do exemplo identifica uma unidade especifica, e os dados de cada uma são coletados em tempos que variam de 20 segundos a 1 minuto. Então a cada 20s, ou mais, é coletado um ponto gps? Se sim, isto não configura um tracklog usável. Em 20 a 60s um carro já terá se deslocado por uma distância muito grande (a menos que esteja num engarrafamento). Os meus tracklogs são coletados em intervalos de 1s, o que é um tempo bom para sobrepor a um mapa. Sugiro converter alguns logs para gpx e abrir eles no JOSM, isto te dá uma boa idéia se estes logs são usáveis ou não. abraço Gerald ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] RES: lat/lon coletados
2013/12/17 Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com: Então a cada 20s, ou mais, é coletado um ponto gps? Se sim, isto não configura um tracklog usável. Isso. Por isso perguntei sobre o intervalo. 20 segundos é muito. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] RES: lat/lon coletados
2013/12/17 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com: 20 segundos é muito. Mas pensando melhor, é muito para gerar traçados entre um ponto e outro, mas pode ser útil para verificar o alinhamento das ruas. Com pontos esparsos já dá para verificar o alinhamento. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] [Cocar] Contribuintes para cidades do RJ no OSM
Vou copiar essa discussão pro talk-br porque já tive e ela antes e não tinha acumulado argumentos suficientes. Se você quiser se inteirar, a minha opinião coincide com a do Markus Lindholm nesta outra discussão: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Carriageway-divider-td5721108.html Citando alguns trechos: - That guideline says that a physical separation requires two highway objects, it doesn't say that one shouldn't do the same with legal separation. [em referência ao guideline oficial da comunidade internacional: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions#Divided_highways] - One other aspect: it would not be possible to create correct routes from an address that's in a middle of a block where the the street has lanes in both direction but that are legally separated. Now if the shortest route would be to turn left (in a country with right hand traffic) but the legal route would require to start the trip by going right, there's no way to express that without having to separate highways, one in each direction. - Turn restrictions restrict from which highway object to which highway object one can traverse, they can't tell whether you're allowed to make a left or right turn at the start of your route. [sobre usar restrições de conversão para definir a direção de saída/chegada] - As I said earlier physical separation doesn't necessary mean cannot pass, because physical obstacles come in all kind of different shape and form. Where I live there are plenty of cases of physical separation that any ordinary SUV could easily cross. And then there's the kind that would require a tank. I think that it would be a more pressing objective to be able to provide a legal route from A to B than to cater for all the shortcuts that are possible but not legal. - Also, no one has offered any other solution to the routing issue. The divider tag has been proposed, but I think it has been demonstrated not to work, as routing decision are made on the node and not on the line. Depois de solicitado um esclarecimento, outro mapeador acrescenta: - Without two ways you would be routed directly to the end point, but with two ways you will be routed with the needed detour. (...) I don't like mapping like this, but I'm pragmatic and it does solve a real problem (...) Essa discussão foi feita há 1 ano atrás. Desde então, as tags propostas para marcar a divisão entre as duas mãos foram todas rejeitadas ou abandonadas, e obviamente nenhum GPS as suporta. Então, a única forma de fazer o sistema se comportar corretamente é mapear separadamente quando há separação legal. Isso está de acordo com a idéia básica de que a separação de fluxos é representada por vias separadas, que as vias representam os fluxos e não as ruas em si. Alguns exemplos: (1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/244692909#map=19/-30.08240/-51.24333 Aqui uma pessoa que estiver saindo do shopping não podia (legalmente) ir diretamente para o outro lado da avenida Chuí porque havia uma faixa contínua branca separando as pistas. Hoje, não pode mesmo porque construiram uma barreira física (tachões). (2) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/189129832#map=18/-30.10236/-51.23257 E veja: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=-30.10610+-51.24229hl=enll=-30.102551,-51.232595spn=0.00698,0.018282sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=57.030354,74.882813t=hlayer=ccbll=-30.102556,-51.232589panoid=Y0i5rQKpmKRoQZ2YBVR65Qcbp=11,234.4,,0,7.08z=16 Esta grande via (avenida Otto Niemeyer) tem seus sentidos separados apenas por faixa contínua. Não é permitido, chegando ou saindo de um destino, cruzar para o outro lado, em qualquer dos pontos da via. É fisicamente possível? Claro. É seguro? Não durante os horários mais movimentados do dia, e certamente perturbaria o tráfego. Não separar os sentidos levaria a uma rota que precisa ser ajustada no final, causando um grande inconveniente ao motorista já que as quadras aqui são grandes e os cruzamentos cheios de restrições de conversão incomuns. Note que a idéia de deixa o motorista chegar até o destino, errar a chegada e deixar o GPS encontrar o retorno correto funciona muito mal aqui. Por exemplo, se a via fosse simples e não separada, e assumindo que o GPS continuasse indicando o caminho, ele recalcularia esse retorno para o motorista: http://osrm.at/5SS E estaria errado, caso o destino estivesse do outro lado da via. Ao confiar no seu GPS, o motorista ficaria dando voltas. O retorno certo seria esse: http://osrm.at/5ST Mas esse cálculo só é possível porque as duas mãos estão mapeadas separadamente. (3) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/189129832#map=18/-30.09951/-51.24809 E veja: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=-30.10610+-51.24229hl=enll=-30.099744,-51.24849spn=0.002468,0.00457sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=57.030354,74.882813t=hlayer=ccbll=-30.099742,-51.248491panoid=UmlOMl-N8ZBGhZ5NoZ4KHgcbp=12,194.92,,0,10.46z=18 A situação aqui é igual à anterior, mas a via é ainda mais movimentada, por ser uma arterial. (4)
Re: [Talk-de] zum neuen OSM - Design für normale Nutzer
Hi, http://regio-osm.de/listofstreets/grafikdarstellung/index.html Man kann sich hier einen guten Überblick verschaffen Super Übersicht! Wer hat das programmiert? Idee: vielleicht kann man eine gecachte Übersicht in z=6 DE z=7 Bundesländer und vielleicht z=8 anbieten? Man könnte vermuten, dass da wo niemand Straßenlisten besorgt, auch ansonsten weniger maintained wird Ja, das ist ein gutes Qualitätsmerkmal. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenverzeichnis Wilhelmshaven unkopierbar?
Moin Tirkon, Am Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2013, 02:02:13 schrieb Tirkon: Die Stadtverwaltung Wilhelmshaven verweist für ein Straßenverzeichnis auf dieses geschützte aber ansonsten vorbildlich gestaltete Dokument: http://www.google.de/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0C DEQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilhelmshaven.de%2Fportal%2Finfo%2Fstatistik%2F whvstrvz_21122009.pdfei=ip-vUv_dCsGetAaqqYAYusg=AFQjCNGNmmysGXmy2OFa7Tm7Jy ZlY84vfAbvm=bv.57967247,d.Yms Mir gelingt es mit dem Adobe Reader nicht, daraus Text zu kopieren. Kann jemand bestätigen, dass es unkopierbar ist oder im anderen Falle beschreiben, wie es geht? Mit Tabula [1] geht die Befreiung kleiner Tabellen schnell und einfach. Habe testweise nur ein paar Seiten dieses Dokumentes selektiert und nach csv schreiben lassen. Hat bestens funktioniert. [1] http://tabula.nerdpower.org/ Viele Grüße Robert ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenverzeichnis Wilhelmshaven unkopierbar?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13-12-17 10:02, Robert wrote: Mit Tabula [1] geht die Befreiung kleiner Tabellen schnell und einfach. Habe testweise nur ein paar Seiten dieses Dokumentes selektiert und nach csv schreiben lassen. Hat bestens funktioniert. [1] http://tabula.nerdpower.org/ Ich muss gestehen, die Software ist mir nicht geheuer. Irgendwas, das über den lokalen Web-Browser arbeitet? Für Einzelseiten mag's praktisch sein. Für PDFs mit vielen Seiten erscheint's mir unbrauchbar. Von daher ist die Betonung auf *kleine* Tabellen richtig, ungeeignet für ein PDF mit fast 30 Seiten. Schönen Gruß Martin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEbBAEBAgAGBQJSsB1CAAoJEJphT/DoDKrt7d8H90C3nsdW9v9ny1hjpnxYPD2T cHmbm+I8eLeQEHEdMNl7FjJUOkqvClIS2cGjAi5+nNQMkjmAH0YOzSCz/rc0OKRj qoWZK37F2OvSuhxH/GIxWTe4ozt7m8kY95GuEQQ8hToaU2VKAyZikQ0AJ5B6TIUD f1ljnAwrA9R1a3nuEy07+RvGHAiTUylJQjTvVe3z4wYpiIw3Y1YxLPf5+SdNLBlZ NtYL4NqLvkz42vasqGMy3oZSFmRpXbLi/7nFqa6PrWz6yCD47iHk8qooRawk1D4p lb8CHXl7vpRw7870s3NUQvdtnvLKJmNegwAAIaaI7Jx8yzbcSFHpCzvlT0y2Tg== =2r2P -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] SotM-EU 2014 - Aufruf zum Einreichen von Vorträgen
Hallo zusammen, ich freue mich hier den 'Call for Presentations' - den Aufruf zum Einreichen von Vorträgen für die SOTM-EU 2014 Konferenz in Karlsruhe im Juni nächsten Jahres zu verkünden. Den Aufruf findet Ihr auf http://sotm-eu.org/de/pages/cfp und einreichen könnt Ihr eure Vorträge unter http://sotm-eu.org/de/presentations/new Wir freuen uns auf zahlreiche und interessante Einreichungen. Für das SOTM-EU 2014 Programm-Komitee, -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] zum neuen OSM - Design für normale Nutzer
Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de wrote: http://regio-osm.de/listofstreets/grafikdarstellung/index.html Man kann sich hier einen guten Überblick verschaffen Super Übersicht! Wer hat das programmiert? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fenverzeichnis#Auswertung_von_Dietmar ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
Am 17.12.2013 00:55, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: ich würde es nicht begrüßen wenn wir in OSM auch anfangen, die Mapper mit Relevanzregeln zu vergraulen. Dann lieber die Importe komplett verbieten, die haben nämlich große Mitschuld am quantitativen Datenwachstum (auch durch zusätzliche tags wie source, Quelldatenset-ids und -klassen, etc.) +1 Gruß Volker ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
Hi, On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:55:55AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ich würde es nicht begrüßen wenn wir in OSM auch anfangen, die Mapper mit Relevanzregeln zu vergraulen. Dann lieber die Importe komplett verbieten, die haben nämlich große Mitschuld am quantitativen Datenwachstum (auch durch zusätzliche tags wie source, Quelldatenset-ids und -klassen, etc.) Yep - soll jeder machen wie er will - Ich bin ein jedoch ein wenig Ängstlich was die aktualität und die Pflege der Daten angeht. Ich korrigiere gerade eine menge Gebiete in denen wir Bautätigkeit haben. Oft sind ganze Kreisstraßen verschwunden, Bundesstraßen verlegt etc - und nichts davon findet sich wieder. Wenn man sich dann die Daten im Umkreis ansieht dann sind die letzten Edits 2-3 Jahre alt. Kein gutes Zeichen finde ich. Meistens ist das dann für mich das Zeichen Hier kann ich einfach mal Rücksichtslos durchpflügen. Oft hat man dann das Problem das da irgendwelche mapper noch landuses uebereinandergestapelt haben, mit Straßen verbunden und auch topologien von Straßen einfach kaputt sind. Ohne radikales durchpflügen würde da auch nie wieder jemand freiwillig was dran mappen. Und wenn das schon bei großen dingen wie Kreis/Land/Bundesstraßen so hinterherhinkt - wie sieht das dann bei dem access= tag auf meinem kleinen Waldweg aus? Wenn sich da das Schild ändert merken wir das in 10 Jahren nicht. Ich will nicht sagen das wir das gar nicht hinkriegen - Aber datenpflege und korrekturen werden eine Herkulesaufgabe für die wir ganz andere Tools brauchen als die die uns heute zur Verfügung stehen. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
Am 17. Dezember 2013 19:03 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Oft hat man dann das Problem das da irgendwelche mapper noch landuses uebereinandergestapelt haben, mit Straßen verbunden und auch topologien von Straßen einfach kaputt sind. ja, diese Gegenden habe ich hier auch. Wenn man dann was hinzufügen oder ändern will, muss man erstmal zig nodes von der Straße entkoppeln und versuchen, seinen Weg durchs Stapelgestrüpp zu finden (oft sind Multipolygone und gestapelte ways kombiniert weil die MPs nur für abzuziehende Flächen verwendet wurden). Das ist so umständlich und zeitaufwendig, dass ich um solche Ecken am liebsten einen großen Bogen machen würde, wenn mir die Gegend nicht gerade am Herzen läge ;-) Ich wäre nach wie vor dafür, im Wiki die Empfehlung auszusprechen, Straßen(centerlinien) nicht mit Landuse-Flächen zu verbinden, aber bei den letzten Diskussionen zum Thema konnte man sich nicht einigen. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Jetzt RadioOSM Live
Hallo liebe OpenStreetMapper, in kürze sendet RadioOSM wieder Live. Ihr könnt uns auf http://streams.xenim.de/osm/ Live hören und mit uns und anderen Hörern im Chat sprechen: irc://irc.freenode.net/#Radio-OSM (Webchat: http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=Radio-OSM) Alle weiteren Infos sowie alle alten Folgen findet ihr auf unserer Webseite http://podcast.openstreetmap.de Liebe Grüße, euer RadioOSM Team - Andi, Marc und Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
Hallo Martin, Ich wäre nach wie vor dafür, im Wiki die Empfehlung auszusprechen, Straßen(centerlinien) nicht mit Landuse-Flächen zu verbinden. +1 Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
Am 16.12.2013 19:54, schrieb Eckhart Wörner: Der Planet (als Maß für die Menge der Daten) ist in den letzten drei Jahren fast um den Faktor 7 gewachsen. Im Vergleich dazu ist RAM gerade mal um den Faktor 2 gewachsen. Hallo, wenn du mal den Datenstand von Deutschland mit dem Rest der Welt vergleichst wirst du feststellen, dass selbst wenn man sagt Mehr Details wollen wir nicht der Planet sich noch fer zig-fachen wird. Das Problem ist nicht, dass die Daten mehr werden, sondern primär, dass die Tools (oder Tool Chains) nicht angepasst werden. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
Am Dienstag, den 17.12.2013, 00:55 +0100 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 16. Dezember 2013 19:54 schrieb Eckhart Wörner ewoer...@kde.org: Hallo Chris, Am Montag, 16. Dezember 2013, 15:33:36 schrieb chris66: Bei Wikipedia gibt's das ja schon, es wird immer schwieriger für Anfänger was neues (in entsprechender Relevanzhöhe) einzutragen. Mit dem Ergebnis, dass es immer weniger Wikipedia-Autoren gibt. Ja und? Seit wann definieren sich OpenStreetMap und Wikipedia über die Menge der Daten? Wikipedia hat schon längst erkannt, dass Qualität viel wichtiger ist als Quantität, es wird Zeit, dass OSM auch zur Einsicht kommt. Wikipedia hat im Gegenteil entdeckt, dass der Autorenschwund so dramatisch ist, dass dringend gegengesteuert wird. Deshalb werden u.a. einfachere Editoren entwickelt. http://www.handelsblatt.com/technologie/it-tk/it-internet/neue-technologie-wikipedia-kaempft-gegen-autorenschwund/8555600.html Uns würde das noch viel härter treffen. Ein Autor in der Engelbrechtschen Wildnis oder Lüneburger Heide ist locker durch einen Autor aus München zu ersetzen. Bei Mappern funktioniert genau das nicht, und unsere Daten veralten viel schneller. ich würde es nicht begrüßen wenn wir in OSM auch anfangen, die Mapper mit Relevanzregeln zu vergraulen. +1 Dann lieber die Importe komplett verbieten, die haben nämlich große Mitschuld am quantitativen Datenwachstum (auch durch zusätzliche tags wie source, Quelldatenset-ids und -klassen, etc.) Nicht komplett, sondern nur dort, wo die Datendichte den Import nicht sinnvoll erscheinen lässt. (Persönlich bin ich z.B. nicht bereit, für OSM zu spenden, solange das Geld den Bordsteinkantenmappern zugute kommt.) Für Bordsteinkanten gibt es gute Chancen, dass die selbst nach Einführung von Relevanzkriterien gemappt werden dürften. Sachen, die nicht direkt mit Verkehr zusammenhängen, fielen da vermutlich früher raus. Bordsteinkanten (insb. die Lage der abgesenkten) sind wichtig für viele Fortbewegungsmittel, Fahrräder, Rollstühle, Kinderwägen, Rollatoren, ... daneben sind die Bordsteine die Grenze zwischen Fahrbahn und Gehweg, definieren also die Verkehrsflächen. +1 Mangelnde Toleranz scheint irgendwie eine deutsche Eigenschaft zu sein. Immer muss etwas geregelt, vorgeschrieben oder verboten werden. Gruß, Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 07:11:33PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ja, diese Gegenden habe ich hier auch. Wenn man dann was hinzufügen oder ändern will, muss man erstmal zig nodes von der Straße entkoppeln und versuchen, seinen Weg durchs Stapelgestrüpp zu finden (oft sind Multipolygone und gestapelte ways kombiniert weil die MPs nur für abzuziehende Flächen verwendet wurden). Ich habe 2 lösungen - Wenn das zu gross ist - Weg parallel zur Straße ziehen und hinten und vorne an den landuse anschliessen. Landuse splitten den beiden neuen nodes - und den way auf der straße löschen. Das geht relativ schnell. Bei kleineren sachen - ENTF end neu machen. Ich sage ja - Radikales durchpflügen - Ich sehe das auch nicht ein für die erhaltung einer Historie jedem mapper seine einzelnodes hinterherzutragen. Ich wäre nach wie vor dafür, im Wiki die Empfehlung auszusprechen, Straßen(centerlinien) nicht mit Landuse-Flächen zu verbinden, aber bei den letzten Diskussionen zum Thema konnte man sich nicht einigen. Konsenz im Sinne von Einstimmig wird man da nicht erreichen. Mit jedem mit dem ich Spreche ist aber der meinung das das Bad style ist. Davon sind einige die ursprünglich so gemapped haben das aber aufgrund der Pflege eingestellt haben. Irgendwann merkt jeder das das eine ganz doofe idee ist. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
Am Montag, den 16.12.2013, 14:40 +0100 schrieb Jörg Frings-Fürst: Genau der Gegensatz dazu war die kürzliche Diskussion über die Angabe ob zum Zeitpunkt x in einem POI laktosefreie Lebensmittel angeboten wurden. Diese Angaben wurden eingetragen. Für nicht betroffene mag das ja irrelevant sein, für mich persönlich ist das jetzt ein Grund ne Karte zu bauen um mir in Zukunft das nervige Gesuche nach Läden die eben laktosefreie Lebensmittel anbieten zu ersparen. Mal so nebenbei diese Diskussion ist ja nun auch nicht grade neu oder selten aber bisher ist mir noch nicht aufgefallen das mal jemand darauf aufbauend einen Mitglieder/Mitmacherentscheid angeregt hätte (und ich persönlich will das auch nicht erleben müssen) um das Thema evtl. mal abschließend zu klären. Grüße Jens ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: Ich wäre nach wie vor dafür, im Wiki die Empfehlung auszusprechen, Straßen(centerlinien) nicht mit Landuse-Flächen zu verbinden, aber bei den letzten Diskussionen zum Thema konnte man sich nicht einigen. Konsenz im Sinne von Einstimmig wird man da nicht erreichen. Mit jedem mit dem ich Spreche ist aber der meinung das das Bad style ist. Davon sind einige die ursprünglich so gemapped haben das aber aufgrund der Pflege eingestellt haben. Irgendwann merkt jeder das das eine ganz doofe idee ist. Dies kann unter Anderem aucb dazu führen, dass an höhenfreien Kreuzungen nicht existente Abfahrten an Autobahnen und Trunks entstehen. Ich hatte von daher auch schon solche Konstrukte auseinander zu puzzeln. Für den weniger erfahrenen Maintainer ist das abschreckend. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeitreise ins 4. Jahrhundert oder was?
Straßen(centerlinien) nicht mit Landuse-Flächen verbinden. +1 gilt m.E. auch für: - Küstenlinien und Grenzen oder Landuse - Flüsse (river und riverbed) und Grenzen oder Landuse Grenzen liegen oft woanders als der zufällige Wasserspiegel von Luftbildern. Und je nach Wasserstand ändert sich der Wasserspiegel, der Wald aber bleibt. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Jetzt RadioOSM Live
schade, dass ich hute nicht wieder beiwohnen konnte. Das nächste mal versuche ich wieder dabei zu sein. PS.: Die letzte Folge läuft gerade bei mir ;) Am 17. Dezember 2013 20:00 schrieb mazderm...@googlemail.com: Hallo liebe OpenStreetMapper, in kürze sendet RadioOSM wieder Live. Ihr könnt uns auf http://streams.xenim.de/osm/ Live hören und mit uns und anderen Hörern im Chat sprechen: irc://irc.freenode.net/#Radio-OSM(Webchat: http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=Radio-OSM) Alle weiteren Infos sowie alle alten Folgen findet ihr auf unserer Webseite http://podcast.openstreetmap.de Liebe Grüße, euer RadioOSM Team - Andi, Marc und Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Jetzt RadioOSM Live
Am 17.12.2013 23:17, schrieb christian.pietz...@googlemail.com: PS.: Die letzte Folge läuft gerade bei mir;) Ich kann auch nur im Podcaster offline hören, deshalb schade, dass die Folgen sehr Zeitversetzt bereitgestellt werden. Woran hakt es? Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Jetzt RadioOSM Live
Ich vermute mal am Hauptmangel in Freiwilligenprojekten, Zeit Peter von hier ein dankeschön für alle deine podcast Mühen, und weiter: Viel Spass beim mappen und nicht von anderen Karten abmalen :-) Christoph Sent from my iDingens Am 17.12.2013 um 23:35 schrieb Martin Czarkowski czarkow...@gmail.com: Am 17.12.2013 23:17, schrieb christian.pietz...@googlemail.com: PS.: Die letzte Folge läuft gerade bei mir;) Ich kann auch nur im Podcaster offline hören, deshalb schade, dass die Folgen sehr Zeitversetzt bereitgestellt werden. Woran hakt es? Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] relation senza campi inner/outer
Il giorno 16 dicembre 2013 17:40, tommasogre...@yahoo.it tommasogre...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Salve a tutti Ho effettuato una ricerca sul sito openstreetmap ed ho riscontrato una situazione che non mi so spiegare. Inserendo nel campo cerca Colonnato del Bernini L'ultimo edit che vedo è dedicato alla mappatura 3D (qui vedi il risultato http://map.f4-group.com/#lat=41.9025295lon=12.4565697zoom=19ui.showMenuPage=trueui.discoveryOpen=falsemenuPage.type=searchmenuPage.id=citt%C3%A0%20del%20vaticanocamera.theta=74.507camera.phi=89.324 ) Probabilmente sarebbe più corretto che ogni area del colonnato (ce ne sono almeno 6 mappate uguali) fosse un outer della relazione, ma non ho mai giocato col 3D mi viene restituito un elenco di way che circondano Piazza San Pietro; cliccandoci sopra vengono evidenziate tutte le strutture che mi aspetto tranne questa http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2021162 identificata da una relation che presenta unicamente la descrizione ma nessun campo *inner*/*outer* Esportando il file osm di questa zona di Piazza San Pietro trovo che la sezione del colonnato è identificata dalla way 149958437 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/149958437 mentre non trovo la relation 2021162. La domanda che mi pongo è come mai venga privilegiata questa relation rispetto alla way nella visualizzazione del sito e come mai nell'export del file questa relation non venga presa in considerazione? Da dove l'hai scaricato l'export? In teoria negli estratti ci dovrebbe essere.. Grazie Tommaso Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] relation senza campi inner/outer
L' export dei dati l'ho fatto sempre dal sito openstreetmap selezionando manualmente una piccola sezione intorno al colonnato descritto dalla relazione. Ho provato ad esportare una sezione più grande per poter verificare se la relazione fosse definita, ma anche in questo caso non l'ho trovata. Ti ringrazio del link al sito 3d.impressionante. Tommaso Il giorno 16 dicembre 2013 17:40, tommasogre...@yahoo.it mailto:tommasogre...@yahoo.it tommasogre...@yahoo.it mailto:tommasogre...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Salve a tutti Ho effettuato una ricerca sul sito openstreetmap ed ho riscontrato una situazione che non mi so spiegare. Inserendo nel campo cerca Colonnato del Bernini L'ultimo edit che vedo è dedicato alla mappatura 3D (qui vedi il risultato http://map.f4-group.com/#lat=41.9025295lon=12.4565697zoom=19ui.showMenuPage=trueui.discoveryOpen=falsemenuPage.type=searchmenuPage.id=citt%C3%A0%20del%20vaticanocamera.theta=74.507camera.phi=89.324 ) Probabilmente sarebbe più corretto che ogni area del colonnato (ce ne sono almeno 6 mappate uguali) fosse un outer della relazione, ma non ho mai giocato col 3D mi viene restituito un elenco di way che circondano Piazza San Pietro; cliccandoci sopra vengono evidenziate tutte le strutture che mi aspetto tranne questa http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2021162 identificata da una relation che presenta unicamente la descrizione ma nessun campo *inner*/*outer* Esportando il file osm di questa zona di Piazza San Pietro trovo che la sezione del colonnato è identificata dalla way 149958437 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/149958437 mentre non trovo la relation 2021162. La domanda che mi pongo è come mai venga privilegiata questa relation rispetto alla way nella visualizzazione del sito e come mai nell'export del file questa relation non venga presa in considerazione? Da dove l'hai scaricato l'export? In teoria negli estratti ci dovrebbe essere.. Grazie Tommaso Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] relation senza campi inner/outer
Il giorno 17 dicembre 2013 11:13, tommasogre...@yahoo.it tommasogre...@yahoo.it ha scritto: L' export dei dati l'ho fatto sempre dal sito openstreetmap selezionando manualmente una piccola sezione intorno al colonnato descritto dalla relazione. Ho provato ad esportare una sezione più grande per poter verificare se la relazione fosse definita, ma anche in questo caso non l'ho trovata. Ti ringrazio del link al sito 3d.impressionante. Tommaso Ti avevo risposto senza indagare approfonditamente, adesso ho aperto l'area con josm e ho capito e corretto, quella relazione era rimasta da prima che facessero le correzioni per il 3d e l'avevano svuotata senza cancellarla. Adesso è sparita, Nominatim quando si aggiorna non la mostra più. Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] relation senza campi inner/outer
Grazie per il chiarimento Tommaso Il giorno 17 dicembre 2013 11:13, tommasogre...@yahoo.it mailto:tommasogre...@yahoo.it tommasogre...@yahoo.it mailto:tommasogre...@yahoo.it ha scritto: L' export dei dati l'ho fatto sempre dal sito openstreetmap selezionando manualmente una piccola sezione intorno al colonnato descritto dalla relazione. Ho provato ad esportare una sezione più grande per poter verificare se la relazione fosse definita, ma anche in questo caso non l'ho trovata. Ti ringrazio del link al sito 3d.impressionante. Tommaso Ti avevo risposto senza indagare approfonditamente, adesso ho aperto l'area con josm e ho capito e corretto, quella relazione era rimasta da prima che facessero le correzioni per il 3d e l'avevano svuotata senza cancellarla. Adesso è sparita, Nominatim quando si aggiorna non la mostra più. Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] state of the map EU - CFP
ciao, vi segnalo che da questo momento è aperta la call for papers di SOTM EU il prossimo grande evento Openstreetmap in europa, che vi ricordo si terrà a Karlsruhe (Germania) dal 13 al 15 Giugno 2014. http://sotm-eu.org/pages/cfp non siate timidi...c'e' la possibilità di inviare presentazioni, idee per lighning talks, poster. PS: fate girare la cosa nelle altre mailinglist locali. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] HOT Task
Ciao, posso chiudere il job sul tasking manager relativo alla sardegna? Ho visto che è stato utilizzato l'ultima volta 4 giorni fa. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/367 Grazie, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] HOT Task
Oggi o domani esce un articolo in cui lo cito, chiudendolo sparirebbe anche il link? Il giorno 17 dicembre 2013 14:17, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, posso chiudere il job sul tasking manager relativo alla sardegna? Ho visto che è stato utilizzato l'ultima volta 4 giorni fa. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/367 Grazie, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Cycleways in Piemonte
Ciao a tutti, l'utente roby2107 sta segnando quasi tutte le strade della regione come: bicycle=yes cycleway=shared Secondo me è ridondante e inutile. Su tutte le strade, se non indicato diversamente, le bici possono transitare e condividono la strada con il resto dei veicoli. Query Overpass: osm-script query type=way area-query ref=3600044874 / has-kv k=bicycle v=yes/ has-kv k=cycleway v=shared/ /query union item/ recurse type=down/ /union print mode=meta / /osm-script Ciao, Andrea. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Cycleways in Piemonte
Andrea Musuruane ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, l'utente roby2107 sta segnando quasi tutte le strade della regione come: bicycle=yes cycleway=shared Secondo me è ridondante e inutile. Su tutte le strade, se non indicato diversamente, le bici possono transitare e condividono la strada con il resto dei veicoli. Sono d'accordo. Inoltre, se non ci sono cartelli di pista ciclabile su quelle strade, dove sarebbe la pista ciclabile? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Cycleways in Piemonte
Il giorno 17 dicembre 2013 16:19, Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, l'utente roby2107 sta segnando quasi tutte le strade della regione come: bicycle=yes cycleway=shared Secondo me è ridondante e inutile. Su tutte le strade, se non indicato diversamente, le bici possono transitare e condividono la strada con il resto dei veicoli. Ho conosciuto di persona l'utente roby2107 venerdì. È una tesista di ingegneria civile, che sta lavorando con 5T (azienda di servizi informatici per il trasporto pubblico di Torino). Le ho parlato un po' di sfuggita; cercherò di rivedere con lei le convenzioni di tagging. Grazie della segnalazione! Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] HOT Task
Io lo terrei aperto almeno fino alla befana, magari sotto le feste ci si mette di impegno e si fa qualcosa. Tra l'altro io direi di mandare avanti l'import dei fiumi. Che ne dite? Saluti Fabrizio Il giorno 17 dicembre 2013 14:41, Francesca Valentina coretodes...@gmail.com ha scritto: Oggi o domani esce un articolo in cui lo cito, chiudendolo sparirebbe anche il link? Il giorno 17 dicembre 2013 14:17, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, posso chiudere il job sul tasking manager relativo alla sardegna? Ho visto che è stato utilizzato l'ultima volta 4 giorni fa. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/367 Grazie, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] HOT Task
2013/12/17 Fabrizio Tambussa ftambu...@gmail.com: Io lo terrei aperto almeno fino alla befana, magari sotto le feste ci si mette di impegno e si fa qualcosa. Tra l'altro io direi di mandare avanti l'import dei fiumi. Che ne dite? che senso ha tenerlo aperto? i task HOT non sono per gestire le emergenze? -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] HOT Task
Aproposito di import, si sa qualcosa dell'edificato? Sto finendo un paesino e non so se farne altri ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] OpenStreetMap al TEDxTrento
A Trento, qualche settimana fa hanno organizzato un TEDx http://tedxtrento.com/ Mi hanno proposto di candidarmi come speaker e mi hanno preso http://tedxtrento.com/staff-members/maurizio-napolitano/ Ho parlato di OpenStreetMap http://www.slideshare.net/napo/tedxtrento-openstreetmap-il-potere-delle-mappe-condivise Oggi hanno pubblicato il video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eYVH1tZxjo -- Maurizio Napo Napolitano http://de.straba.us ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] tutto pedestrian a Venezia?
Da qualche tempo a Venezia tutti vicoli, calle ecc. sono messi a highway=pedestrian, mentre una volta c'era una classificazione abbastanza fina e dettagliata. Non ci sono mappatori locali attivi per presidiare o è una scelta della communità Veneziana? Anche esteticamente non è proprio il massimo: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.4375/12.3307layers=N ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] HOT Task
Il 17 dicembre 2013 17:06, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: che senso ha tenerlo aperto? i task HOT non sono per gestire le emergenze? +1 C ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] mapbox vs osm
Salve ho due dubbi riguardo l’ uso di mapbox: 1) Mapbox ogni quanto si aggiorna rispetto agli inserimenti sui server di osm ? 2) Nel caso io abbia ad esempio una scuola identificata come area e non come singolo punto, e volessi però fare in modo che venga contrassegnata con un icona in modo da essere cliccabile per avere ulteriori info , posso creare un nodo amenity all' interno dell' area ? la Netiquette di osm cosa consiglia di fare ? Grazie per l' attenzione. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Alcuni articoli Wikipedia mappabili in OSM
Un altro aggiornamento alle pagine con articoli Wikipedia da taggare in OSM. - Una Mappa mostra gli articoli ancora da taggare di cui Wikipedia conosce le coordinate. Cliccando su un marker, appare un collegamento per aprire la posizione in JOSM, come già avviene nelle tabelle. - Grazie a Cristian Consonni, nelle tabelle ci sono nuovi link per zoomare nelle vicinanze degli articoli da taggare, ricavati analizzando il contenuto dell'articolo Wikipedia. - Nel riquadro Info e conteggi ci sono i nomi dei mapper che hanno aggiunto dei tag dal giorno precedente ed il numero di tag aggiunti da ciascuno. - Su richiesta di Daniele, sono state aggiornate le categorie - A partire da una segnalazione di Daniele, sono stati tolti dalle liste i redirect, non essendo questi supportati da WIWOSM. Luca ha aggiornato le pagine: http://geodati.fmach.it/gfoss_geodata/osm/wtosm/index_2.html Grazie anche a Caterpillar e Daniele per aver calcolato un po' di coordinate con lo script di Cristian. Ciao, Simone F. Il giorno 02 ottobre 2013 23:06, Simone F. grop...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao a tutti. Per chi non lo sapesse, gli articoli Wikipedia taggati in OpenStreetMap mostrano l'oggetto su una mappa. Vedi: Colosseo http://i.imgur.com/HNE9RCJ.png Lago di Garda http://i.imgur.com/qD8SjPI.png Quando ho letto che la collaborazione Wikipedia - OSM sarebbe stato uno degli argomenti di OSMIT (a cui purtroppo, come ho scritto, non posso andare) ho ripreso un programma che avevo lasciato a metà, tempo fa. Il programma crea delle liste di articoli riguardanti oggetti mappabili (palazzi, laghi, autostrade, rifugi alpini, aree protette, monumenti, stadi, piazze...), per individuare quelli ancora da taggare in OSM. http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41550819/OSM/WTOSM/html/index.html Sarebbe bello riuscire a completare almeno una categoria e, a chi vuole aggiungere dei tag, io propongo: Laghi d'Italia :) Seguono altre informazioni, per chi non è ancora stanco di leggere. Dai i link si può: - vedere come sono stati mappati luoghi importanti, scaricandoli in JOSM o visitando le loro pagine OSM - vedere gli oggetti di una categoria sulle mappe cliccabili di Overpass Turbo (il link compare passando con il mouse sopra il nome della cateogria). Difetti: - articoli o sottocategorie appartenenti a più categorie sono ripetuti più volte nella stessa pagina - nel caso usiate le pagine, vi sarei grato se mi segnalaste, oltre agli inevitabili bug, eventuali articoli e categorie non mappabili (ad es. Dipinti nel museo Tal Dei Tali, Elenco dei teatri di Vattelappesca) così da poterli nascondere. Lo script, in Python, utilizza: osmconvert/update/filter e lxml per i dati OSM, ed interroga catscan e le API Wikipedia per ottenere i nomi di categorie ed articoli. Ciao, Simone F. (Groppo, sul Wiki) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mapbox vs osm
2013/12/17 Carlo Zardetto ca...@artmediastudio.com 2) Nel caso io abbia ad esempio una scuola identificata come area e non come singolo punto, e volessi però fare in modo che venga contrassegnata con un icona in modo da essere cliccabile per avere ulteriori info , posso creare un nodo amenity all' interno dell' area ? una scuola (amenity) puo essere mappata su un'area o su un nodo, ma non su entrambi. Al solito usiamo un'area perchè è una rapressentazione più dettagliata. Un nodo cliccabile (in un servizio creato da dati osm) può essere creato automaticamente da un area (non c'è bisogno aggiungere un nodo in più e non è gradito inserire doppioni in OSM). La cosa ancora più bella dei nodi cliccabili sone le aree cliccabili ;-) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mapbox vs osm
Ti ringrazio per la risposta utilizzerò l’ area cliccabile come pensavo , ma volevo avere la conferma. Ancora grazie per la risposta esaustiva e velocissima. Ciao From: Martin Koppenhoefer Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:27 PM To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] mapbox vs osm 2013/12/17 Carlo Zardetto ca...@artmediastudio.com 2) Nel caso io abbia ad esempio una scuola identificata come area e non come singolo punto, e volessi però fare in modo che venga contrassegnata con un icona in modo da essere cliccabile per avere ulteriori info , posso creare un nodo amenity all' interno dell' area ? una scuola (amenity) puo essere mappata su un'area o su un nodo, ma non su entrambi. Al solito usiamo un'area perchè è una rapressentazione più dettagliata. Un nodo cliccabile (in un servizio creato da dati osm) può essere creato automaticamente da un area (non c'è bisogno aggiungere un nodo in più e non è gradito inserire doppioni in OSM). La cosa ancora più bella dei nodi cliccabili sone le aree cliccabili ;-) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Mappatura assurda Isola delle femmine
ciao a tutti. Oggi facendo la mia quotidiana aggiunta di tag wikipedia alle aree protette tramite JOSM mi sono imbattuto nella bellissima isola nel omonimo comune di Isola delle Femmine. La cosa che mi ha incuriosito è stato il fatto che la mappatura fosse incredibilmente anomala: ogni tipo di suolo aveva un nome del tipo name=landuse: Roccia affiorante, name=natural:area boschiva oppurename=landuse:pascolo addirittura il sentiero aveva un nome name=SENTIEROnon so voi, ma a me questa cosa è sembrata totalmente sbagliata. Gli errori sembravano essere finiti qui, se non che, all'atto del salvataggio, vengo avvertito dal validatore di josm che la coastline era una way chiusa in senso orario...ora non saprei ma così tanti errori e la loro tipologia mi fanno sospettare un import fatto coi piedio un utente distratto (la way presentava i nomi di città e regione sul lato left purtroppo così com'era il left era il mare quindi la way è stata invertita di direzione scommetto tramite o id o potlatch) comunque sia questa cosa mi ha dato modo di notare alcune cose: 1) controllando su http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ ho scoperto che non vengono segnalati i cambi di direzione delle way e questa cosa, vista la sua importanza in certi ambiti, mi ha molto sorpreso... 2) sempre lo stesso sito mi segnala una sola modifica fatta dall'utente appligeo (che sospetto sia stato l'autore dell'errore visto che è l'unico ad aver apportato, forse, modifiche all'isola nell'ultimo mese ) mentre guardando la sua pagina utente su osm ci sono ben 4 modifiche fatte 2 giorni fa (o meglio la sua pagina utente segnala 5 modifiche ma la lista ne contiene solo 4) 3)questo utente ha anche spostato l'isola posizionandola rispetto l'immagine bing (probabilmente innavertitamente ha invertito in questa occasione la direzione della way). ora questa immagine presenta un offset solo sull'isola mentre la terraferma è perfettamente allineata alla PCN Sicilia...quale delle due posizioni è quella corretta? quella attuale o quella precedente? - Ciao, Aury -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Mappatura-assurda-Isola-delle-femmine-tp5790116.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] WIWOSM e categorie
(Scusate se riesumo questo thread, sto facendo un po' di ordine tra le mail) Il 19 novembre 2013 22:36, pjhooker lima.cityplan...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, sto preparando un progetto per mappare gli alberi di Natale - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Christmas_trees_in_2013_Italia Adesso sto cercando di mappare le foto che vengono inserite ... Sembra che sia funzionale WIWOSM, che però non sono riuscito ad usare. Posso dirti che, da Wikipediano, mi pare stranissimo che descrivi un concorso in una pagina di categoria? Di solito queste iniziative stanno nel namespace Commons, ossia in pagine dal nome Commons:nome_progetto (vedi per esempio Wiki Loves Earth[1]). (Se il punto è semplicemente inserire una galleria di immagini della pagina c'è l'apposito tag gallery/gallery) Inoltre vedo che non editi la pagina dal 7 novembre[2], se non hai intenzione di usarla ulteriormente ti consiglio di svuotarla e chiedere che sia cancellata[3] Grazie. Ciao, Cristian [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Christmas_trees_in_2013_Italiaaction=history [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Delete_cat_when_empty ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-at] Haltestellendaten Steiermark
Hallo! den Abgleich mit dem Fahrplan beim Verkehrsverbund kann ich automatisiert anbieten. Es gäbe dann eine Liste von bedienten Haltestellenpositionen mit der jeweils ersten Abfahrt bzw. Ankunft im Fahrplanjahr 2014. Allerdings erst am Freitag. Viele Grüße Manfred Brandl Sent mobile. Am 16.12.2013 um 12:36 schrieb Andreas Uller a.ul...@gmx.at: Hallo! Ich habe mir nun alle Kommentare hier sowie auf den talk-transit und imports Mailinglisten zu Herzen genommen, und schlage folgende Änderungen gegenüber meinem bisherigen Plan vor: - Kein automatischer Import, sondern alle Haltestellen sollen händisch importiert werden, d.h. gleich anhand von Luftbild und ev. Fahrplan auf Plausibilität überprüft werden, außerdem können/sollen dann auch gleich die stop_positions und stop_areas angelegt werden. - Die globale ID wird als ref:IFOPT verwendet, die anderen IDs verworfen. - Das is_in wird nicht verwendet, stattdessen als alt_name Ortschaft Name_der_Haltestelle. Die entsprechenden Daten hat Michael alias species dankenswerterweise hier nach Bezirken getrennt aufbereitet: https://github.com/species/Open-Data-Verbundlinie.at/tree/master/haltestellen/Nach-Bezirken Alles ist natürlich auch auf der Wiki-Seite http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Austria/Import_Haltestellen_Steiermark eingetragen. Ich habe bereits testweise die Haltestellen in Bruck an der Mur (weil dort schon einige Haltestellen vorhanden waren (von verschiedenen Mappern) aber auch einige fehlten) bearbeitet und hochgeladen, hat problemlos mit dieser Vorgehensweise funktioniert. Von der Datenqualität her ist mir aufgefallen, dass ein paar nicht (mehr ?) bediente Haltestellen drinnen waren, die habe ich dann nach Vergleich mit dem betreffenden Fahrplan gelöscht. Außerdem war die Positionierungsgenauigkeit (im Vergleich zum Luftbild und vorhandenen Haltestellen) nicht immer perfekt, oft waren die Haltestellen zu weit von der Straße entfernt und bereits im dortigen Haus. Das ist meiner Meinung nach ein Grund mehr, keinen vollautomatischen Import zu machen. Selbst wenn einige dieser Lagefehler nicht erkannt werden, ist es aber für die Qualität in OSM meiner Meinung nach dennoch besser, alle Haltestellen (von denen einige eine kleine Lageungenauigkeit aufweisen) zu haben. Wenn kein Widerspruch kommt, würde ich so weiter machen und natürlich auch andere Mapper einladen, sich zu beteiligen (habe eine kleine Tabelle auf der Wiki-Seite zur Koordinierung erstellt). Andreas ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Haltestellendaten Steiermark
Hallo! Danke fr das Angebot, das wre sicher hilfreich! Andreas Gesendet:Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2013 um 10:03 Uhr Von:Manfred Brandl manf...@brandl.net An:OpenStreetMap AT talk-at@openstreetmap.org Betreff:Re: [Talk-at] Haltestellendaten Steiermark Hallo! den Abgleich mit dem Fahrplan beim Verkehrsverbund kann ich automatisiert anbieten. Es gbe dann eine Liste von bedienten Haltestellenpositionen mit der jeweils ersten Abfahrt bzw. Ankunft im Fahrplanjahr 2014. Allerdings erst am Freitag. Viele Gre Manfred Brandl Sent mobile. Am 16.12.2013 um 12:36 schrieb Andreas Uller a.ul...@gmx.at: Hallo! Ich habe mir nun alle Kommentare hier sowie auf den talk-transit und imports Mailinglisten zu Herzen genommen, und schlage folgende nderungen gegenber meinem bisherigen Plan vor: - Kein automatischer Import, sondern alle Haltestellen sollen hndisch importiert werden, d.h. gleich anhand von Luftbild und ev. Fahrplan auf Plausibilitt berprft werden, auerdem knnen/sollen dann auch gleich die stop_positions und stop_areas angelegt werden. - Die globale ID wird als ref:IFOPT verwendet, die anderen IDs verworfen. - Das is_in wird nicht verwendet, stattdessen als alt_name Ortschaft Name_der_Haltestelle. Die entsprechenden Daten hat Michael alias species dankenswerterweise hier nach Bezirken getrennt aufbereitet: https://github.com/species/Open-Data-Verbundlinie.at/tree/master/haltestellen/Nach-Bezirken Alles ist natrlich auch auf der Wiki-Seite http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Austria/Import_Haltestellen_Steiermark eingetragen. Ich habe bereits testweise die Haltestellen in Bruck an der Mur (weil dort schon einige Haltestellen vorhanden waren (von verschiedenen Mappern) aber auch einige fehlten) bearbeitet und hochgeladen, hat problemlos mit dieser Vorgehensweise funktioniert. Von der Datenqualitt her ist mir aufgefallen, dass ein paar nicht (mehr ?) bediente Haltestellen drinnen waren, die habe ich dann nach Vergleich mit dem betreffenden Fahrplan gelscht. Auerdem war die Positionierungsgenauigkeit (im Vergleich zum Luftbild und vorhandenen Haltestellen) nicht immer perfekt, oft waren die Haltestellen zu weit von der Strae entfernt und bereits im dortigen Haus. Das ist meiner Meinung nach ein Grund mehr, keinen vollautomatischen Import zu machen. Selbst wenn einige dieser Lagefehler nicht erkannt werden, ist es aber fr die Qualitt in OSM meiner Meinung nach dennoch besser, alle Haltestellen (von denen einige eine kleine Lageungenauigkeit aufweisen) zu haben. Wenn kein Widerspruch kommt, wrde ich so weiter machen und natrlich auch andere Mapper einladen, sich zu beteiligen (habe eine kleine Tabelle auf der Wiki-Seite zur Koordinierung erstellt). Andreas ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-at] SotM-EU 2014 - Aufruf zum Einreichen von Vorträgen
[aus talk-de] Hallo zusammen, ich freue mich hier den 'Call for Presentations' - den Aufruf zum Einreichen von Vorträgen für die SOTM-EU 2014 Konferenz in Karlsruhe im Juni nächsten Jahres zu verkünden. Den Aufruf findet Ihr auf http://sotm-eu.org/de/pages/cfp und einreichen könnt Ihr eure Vorträge unter http://sotm-eu.org/de/presentations/new Wir freuen uns auf zahlreiche und interessante Einreichungen. Für das SOTM-EU 2014 Programm-Komitee, -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-at] ÖBB
Die ÖBB haben sich aus welchen Grund auch immer dazu entschlossen, ihre Daten in das - an sich recht unbrauchbare- Google-System zu integrieren. (Bericht aus dem Standard http://derstandard.at/1385171282859/OeBB-Daten-jetzt-in-Google-Maps-verfuegbar ). Laut Offene Öffis scheint es hier einen Exklusivvertrag zu geben, der es unwahrscheinlich macht, dass die Fahrplandaten der ÖBB (die auch zahlreiche Geographische Informationen umfassen (v.a. Bahnhöfe) in nächster Zeit via Open Data verfügbar werden ( http://www.offene-oeffis.at/2013/12/17/google-bekommt-oebb-daten/ ) An sich ist es fragwürdig, dass diese Daten einem Anbieter auf Kosten der ÖBB exklusiv zur Verfügung gestellt werden. Ich hielte hier mindestens eine Stellungnahme mit Kritik an diesem Vorgehen auf Basis der Argumente für Open Data auf der Open-Streetmap-Austria-Website für sinnhaft. MfG, Humanist ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-ca] Les licences Creative Commons 4.0 (CC-BY-4.0 et CC-BY-SA-4.0) est-elle acceptée par OSM
Bonjour, Pourriez-vous m'indiquer si OSM accepte les données libérées sous les licences Creative Commons CC-BY-4.0 et CC-BY-SA-4.0? Si l'information n'est pas encore disponible, pourriez-vous me mettre en contact avec un représentant impliqué dans l'homologation de licence? Merci de votre attention. -- Diane Mercier, Ph. D. Docteure en sciences de l'information Chargée de projet principale sur les données ouvertes Ville de Montréal, Direction des communications 303, rue Notre-Dame Est, 1A Montréal QUÉBEC H2Y 3Y8 Tél. : 514 872-9702 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Les licences Creative Commons 4.0 (CC-BY-4.0 et CC-BY-SA-4.0) est-elle acceptée par OSM
Bonjour Diane, there recently was a discussion of this topic on the OSM-legal list: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-About-CC-4-0-and-ODbl-td5779531.html As per usual, the bottom line is maybe, or maybe not. Harald. 2013/12/17 Diane Mercier diane.merc...@gmail.com Bonjour, Pourriez-vous m'indiquer si OSM accepte les données libérées sous les licences Creative Commons CC-BY-4.0 et CC-BY-SA-4.0? Si l'information n'est pas encore disponible, pourriez-vous me mettre en contact avec un représentant impliqué dans l'homologation de licence? Merci de votre attention. -- Diane Mercier, Ph. D. Docteure en sciences de l'information Chargée de projet principale sur les données ouvertes Ville de Montréal, Direction des communications 303, rue Notre-Dame Est, 1A Montréal QUÉBEC H2Y 3Y8 Tél. : 514 872-9702 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-cz] mapovani turistickych znacek - soustredene usili
Dne 2.12.2013 21:58, Jachym Cepicky napsal(a): Zdravím, chtěl bych se zeptat, máme-li přehled o turistických trasách (KCT) v OSM, přehled o jejich stavu (tabelární/mapový?), který by ukazoval co máme, co nám chybí, něco jako kdysi uzly silniční sítě? Říkám si, že mapování značek by bylo efektivnější, kdyby takový přehled existoval, aby se mappeři spíše vydali do míst, která zatím pokrytá nejsou Nějaký tip? Jachym Cus, jen pro info, nevsim sem si ze by to tu nekdo zminil, ale trasy by mely byt v relacich a na tech relacich by melo byt uvedeno, zda je trasa kompletni. Takze polozenim vhodneho dotazu do API bys mel ziskat seznam kompletnich/nekompletnich tras. Samo, ty ktere neexistuji ... tam nebudou vubec. Kazdopadne ... hack ... nevim jak je na tom seznam s nejakym API pro zobrazeni kml ... ale neco to umi http://api4.mapy.cz/view?page=geometry-ajax = udelat si nejaky prolnuti tech zminenych relaci do jejich mapy a zjistit, kde jsou rozdily by jit melo (a pokud ty trasy se zeznamu neobkreslis, neni to IMO nic proti nicemu). ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[OSM-talk-fr] Que choisir utilise les données openstreetmap
c'est ici http://www.quechoisir.org/app/forfait-mobile/signal-infos.php ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Que choisir utilise les données openstreetmap
Et on dirait qu'ils ont monté leur propre serveur de tuile, ce qui reste rare. Du coup je ne vois pas à quoi correspond l'attribution Imagery © 2011 CloudMade BrunoC 2013/12/17 didier2020 didier2...@free.fr c'est ici http://www.quechoisir.org/app/forfait-mobile/signal-infos.php ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Que choisir utilise les données openstreetmap
Voilà une bonne appli qui pourrait faire mentir les cartes trompeuses des opérateurs. Un jour ou l'autre il faudra que l'ARCEP mette le point sur la table et que les opérateurs arrêtent de mentir en prétendant offrir une bonne couverture pour un service qui en fait n'existe pas (surtout chez Free qui a beau jeu de vendre des tarifs moins cher que tout le monde en n'offrant tout bonnement aucun service dans les nombreuses zones où il vend pourtant ses offres). Cependant cette carte de Que Choisir est encore trop incomplète en terme de relevés sur le terrain. Je me demande si la communauté OSM pourrait aider à faire ces mesures (en incluant 2G/GSM, 3G/UMTS, 3G+/HSDA, et 4G/LTE). Cependant les polygones nécessaires sont difficiles à faire correspondre à quelquechose sur le terrain et je pense que Que Choisir s'est contenté du découpage admnistratif (à l'échelle des quartiers) pour établir des moyennes, et qu'il oublie encore bon nombre de zones rurales pourtant bien desservies. Y a-t-il de la place sur une autre base libre pour des découpages territoriaux spécialisés (surtout ceux qui ne sont pas matérialisés sur le terrain)? Comment peut-on aider Que Choisir (en gardant libres les données nécessaires, ce qui n'est pas le cas ici : « Droits de reproduction et de diffusions réservés © Union fédérale des consommateurs - Que Choisir 2010 » en bas de page) ? 2013/12/17 didier2020 didier2...@free.fr c'est ici http://www.quechoisir.org/app/forfait-mobile/signal-infos.php ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Que choisir utilise les données openstreetmap
Le 17 décembre 2013 18:57, Bruno Cortial bruno.cort...@laposte.net a écrit : Et on dirait qu'ils ont monté leur propre serveur de tuile, ce qui reste rare. Du coup je ne vois pas à quoi correspond l'attribution Imagery © 2011 CloudMade En l'état oui on se le demande. Le fond de carte c'est OSM, le rendu c'est leur serveur (mais qui a pu être mis au point sur CloudMade?), les polygones de couverture réseau c'est visiblement du GEOFLA, limité aux communes entières taillées à la hache (du coup la précision des mesures avec leur appli smartphone peut attribuer à tord une mesure à la commune voisine, s'il n'y a pas un système de poids statistique décroissant en fonction de la distance au centroïde pour éviter cet effet de bord qui risque de ben classer une commune qui n'est en fait bien couverte que sur sa périphérie). Attendons qu'ils aident d'avantage de mesures, mais pour l'instant trop de zones sont notées avec une seule mesure ce n'est pas encore assez concluant ; mais on voit déjà les effets des bordures communales à la hache du GEOFLA avec des tas de notes alors encore surévaluées dans les zones peu denses. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-ja] Planning import: Urayasu Bulding Outline/浦安市の建物形状
いいだです。 特に反対意見ないようですので、Imports MLでの議論に進みたいと思います。 詳しい内容決まりましたら、またこちらでもご連絡します m(_ _)m 2013年12月13日 23:04 Satoshi IIDA nyamp...@gmail.com: いいだです。 I'll send mail to Imports ML after this local discussion. 現在、浦安市の建物形状について、準備を進めています。 建物データは浦安市のOpenDataの取り組みの一環として用意されており、 現在一般公開の準備中(CC BY 2.1JP予定)ではありますが、先行してOSMでのインポート利用の許諾をいただけました。 ついては、このメーリングリストでご意見を募集し、 議論が終わった後にImport MLでも同様の議論を行いたいと思っています。 詳しい内容は、以下のOSM Wikiページにまとめています。 English: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Urayasu_bld_import Japanese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Import/Catalogue/Urayasu_bld_import ■Summary ・ライセンスはCC BYを念頭に想定しています。 それぞれのオブジェクト(area, relation)に対して、以下のsourceタグを付与します。 source = Urayasu city インポート作業のチェンジセットコメントに、以下を記述します。 source_ref = http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Urayasu_bld_import; ・データの精度は1/2500となります。基盤地図情報と同等の精度になります。 作成年度は平成25年(2013年)です。 ・建物アウトラインへのタグ付け 以前行われた鯖江市データの議論を踏まえ、以下のタグを付与しています。 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Urayasu_bld_import#Tagging_Plans ・既存のデータとのマージ 既存に投入されているデータを優先し、重複しているインポートデータ側を削除してからインポートします。 特に、浦安駅前、および東京ディズニーランド・ディズニーシーの領域は、ほとんどインポートするものが無くなるはずです。 ・サンプルデータ .osmに変換したファイルを、こちらで公開しています。 ここから、JOSMでの妥当性検証(validation)を経て、インポートを行います。 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uir5qaz92fqzwrd/eo86iumstH ・専用アカウント Urayasu_bld_importというアカウントを用意しました。これを使います。 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Urayasu_bld_import ご協力いただける方がいらっしゃいましたら、是非お願いしたいと思います。 インポート実施後にJOSMなどで対象地域の確認、Validationなどがお願いできると嬉しいです。 -- Satoshi IIDA mail: nyamp...@gmail.com twitter: @nyampire -- Satoshi IIDA mail: nyamp...@gmail.com twitter: @nyampire ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
[Talk-GB] SOTM-EU Call for Presentations
hi everyone, the SOTM-EU call for presentations [1] has been announced. if you're working on a tool, some software, a research or community project or business - or anything related to OSM then it would be great to have a presentation sharing your ideas at SOTM-EU. we're looking forward to getting some very interesting submissions and, with your help, making SOTM-EU really exciting. cheers, matt [1] http://sotm-eu.org/pages/cfp ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Northern England upland areas - anywhere needing a lot of mapping?
Hi, For the last couple of years just after the new year I've gone away for 3 days or so to upland areas of the north of England or north Wales (two years ago, Llangollen area, last year was Kettlewell area in the Dales). Would like to do the same again this year and ideally combine it with some mapping. Is anyone aware of any upland area in the north of England, or north Wales, accessible by public transport and not *too* far north (will be travelling from Cheshire) which could do with some footpath mapping? Areas I have in mind would be somewhere in the greater Pennines, e.g. some other part of the Dales or the Forest of Bowland. On a separate trip I'm going to the Lake District anyway later in January. If anyone suggests somewhere suitable, I could always turn it into a mapping party :-) Thanks, Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-us] State of the Map 2014 - call for participation
Hi all, We are gearing up for SOTM 2014 in DC, April 12-13! We just opened the call for participation (see the link on http://stateofthemap.us) - so if you have an idea for a 20 minute session, head over there and submit it in 200 words or less. Anything related to OpenStreetMap in the United States is welcome! Want to report on your local group's activities and plans? Talk about a collaboration with a local organization, school or government? Show us good stuff you built with OSM? Submit your proposal now! Let me know if you have any questions! Oh, we also have a blog post on this but of course you had already seen that :) http://openstreetmap.us/2013/03/propose-a-session/ Best Martijn -- Martijn van Exel President, US Chapter OpenStreetMap http://openstreetmap.us/ http://osm.org/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] New York Times Magazine article that included OSM
Hello all, Did anyone see the lead article in Sunday's Nw York Times Magazine that included OSM. It primarily was about Google Maps and its use of cameras, both on vehicles and on individuals, to record photos for its Street View. But the article also talked about OSM as a potential competitor to Google in the future. Very interesting. Charlotte Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] State of the Map 2014 - call for participation
Hi all, To clarify - I am, of course, talking about State Of The Map *U.S.* and not about the international State Of The Map conference, about which I have no official information whatsoever. Martijn On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Martijn van Exel mart...@openstreetmap.us wrote: Hi all, We are gearing up for SOTM 2014 in DC, April 12-13! We just opened the call for participation (see the link on http://stateofthemap.us) - so if you have an idea for a 20 minute session, head over there and submit it in 200 words or less. Anything related to OpenStreetMap in the United States is welcome! Want to report on your local group's activities and plans? Talk about a collaboration with a local organization, school or government? Show us good stuff you built with OSM? Submit your proposal now! Let me know if you have any questions! Oh, we also have a blog post on this but of course you had already seen that :) http://openstreetmap.us/2013/03/propose-a-session/ Best Martijn -- Martijn van Exel President, US Chapter OpenStreetMap http://openstreetmap.us/ http://osm.org/ -- Martijn van Exel President, US Chapter OpenStreetMap http://openstreetmap.us/ http://osm.org/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
