Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
I was told, when I first got my sticker, many years ago, that the vehicle parked longer than the 2 hours, must be registered to the address "IT IS PARKED IN FRONT OF". It would be great if the Parking Authority ENFORCED the permit parking west of 40th Street. Each year we pay for our stickers, and although the street is "posted", people ignore the signs. The police say it is the Parking Authority's job to ticket the cars, and tell us to have them towed. The police will only come if the car is "suspicious" and has been there for more than a week. It is because of the commercial and medical "venues" in the area, that we had to get Permit Parking in the first place. Now that the meters have been removed from those areas, you would think it would be easierit is not. However, when I shovel out my parking space after a large snow storm, and I can not park in it, I think that is just unbelievably rude, and maybe even dangerous, to say the least.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
NO IT'S NOT!!!
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage
Also in '96 in Upper Darby, people were killed over parking spots. Now that's "rage"! Parking is someone else's dug out spot is inconsiderate and rude. My $0.02
RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
Are you responding to someone about something specific or just ranting aimlessly to no one in particular? It is hard to tell WHEN YOU DON'T INCLUDE THE MESSAGE YOU ARE RESPONDING TO!!! Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:06 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: univcity@list.purple.comSubject: Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers) NO IT'S NOT!!!
RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
Touche!!-Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Feb 7, 2005 5:00 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers) Are you responding to someone about something specific or just ranting aimlessly to no one in particular? It is hard to tell WHEN YOU DON'T INCLUDE THE MESSAGE YOU ARE RESPONDING TO!!! Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:06 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: univcity@list.purple.comSubject: Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers) NO IT'S NOT!!! Need someone to watch your pet while you are away? Call UC Pet Tenders: Walking, feeding during lunch, vacations, or late evenings. 215 990 6254 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Experienced!!! References provided You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see .
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
A Handicap space is different from Permit Parking and comes with requirements for annual medical certification of the disability. Even in the snow, the fine for parking a vehicle that does not carry handicap tags (or rear view mirror card), in a Handicap space is huge. I'll guess $300 / offense. Such fines should be sufficient disincentive for most drivers. Folks can apply separately for the street space and the vehicle designations. And, maybe someone with a handicap sticker might be able to park without penalty, in some one else's handicap space. Hopefully, the designated user will find another space or one of the public spaces reserved for those with Handicap stickers. I think many folks, who have not applied for special stickers or spaces, find their disabilities more overwhelming when other circumstances (like extreme weather) kick in. Hopefully, neighbors will watch out for them. I think the cost of the annual PARKING PERMIT is only $35.00. I find this reasonable. It helps pay for the review of proofs needed to document residency and for the signs which mark the permitted areas. Since little of the city offers permit parking, it seems fair to view the permits as a privilege not available across the entire tax base. Some of the commuters who park on my block, so that they can catch the #13 or #34 into work, are probably tax payers from other areas of Philadelphia. So, I am happy that I can opt into the privilege of Permit Parking. But, Karen's points are also valid. Unfortunately, I have so many issues with the PPA 1. Outside studies document that 30% of the meters short change us on time 2. Money has not been reinvested in creating more spaces 3. Huge revenues are generated, only to generate huge revenues, etc. That I'd have to enjoy a much less busy life, before I could even determine where to start. Where things are private, privacy should be respected. But where things are clearly for public use and a common good, than that should also be respected. No one should ever block a private driveway. Even the person who owns it must keep their car off of the public walkway. Unlike Wilma, I would have sat on the horn until the jerk moved, or the people from Sam's heard my message of frustration. And, I would have been on my cell for police back-up and protection of my private property rights. Sometimes two wrongs can lead to an identification of the right. Homes with private drives and garages cost more, and the owners generally pay higher taxes, thus paying for their space. Having a garage, especially one earned through teaching wages, should be a cause for pride, not a cause for jealousy, mistreatment or frustration. As to the type of folks who like to torture the haves and for those folks who whine about their parking space and defend their right to litter our landscape with the kind of cheap crap that they are prepared to lose or see crushed, I don't believe many suffer any significant physical distress. I am convinced that most are just people who were never taught to share and were denied participation in team sports and truly earned victories. They are just not mature enough to work their minds around societies and economies that derive some of their success from cooperation and an understanding that not everything can (or should) be privatized. I get frustrated suspecting their ugliness begets more ugliness and other selfish / frustrated responses, (like mine) The clear thinking folks seem to get the concept that if everyone driving had to clear their spot, than there should be enough spots for all, albeit in slightly different locations. The trick is to increase the odds for the actual residents by limiting those who show up on Monday morning, to consume spaces during the day. This can be done with permit parking. So, does anyone want to lead the charge, or even supply a step-by step instruction plan, to help Block Captains, increase the number of PERMIT PARKING streets here in the 'hood? Maybe someone could also supply information on how one gets a handicap sticker or space. Best! Liz You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
OK, I wanted to stay out of this but... There are often good reasons for people needing to save parking after a large snow storm. My husband cleaned out my spot. I am unable to. Here is my dilemma. I qualify as handicapped and could have a spot permanently saved for me but out of interest for my neighbors I have chosen not to. We already have one handicap parking space on the block and I know of at least one other person on the block who would qualify. If we all had spaces set aside it would be difficult for others to find a space at all. No one on my block has criticized me for holding my spot during this weather, my neighbors watch me take five minutes to climb the stairs to my house, they understand the situation. I don't know about other blocks but I watch at least three people a day park on our block and walk to the trolly. I assume they are avoiding paying for center city parking and consider West of 40th a secure place to leave their cars. Parking is really tight here and I feel saving my spot for a week instead of year round is better for all of us. So I suggest that we try to think of this block by block. I am sure there are selfish people out there but there are also many like BA Showell and me who are struggling with more than the weather. Robin On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 07:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find this an interesting topic, especially reading the various opinions about parking. If it is rage, then consider me one of those. As a senior citizen who needs to drive (can't ride SEPTA very often because of medical reasons), and as one who pays to park IN FRONT OF MY (Residential Permit Parking--car must be registered to that address) I would be more than furious if someone took my parking spot! (someone did Saturday night, a neighbor's guest, there for a party, and I very politely asked her to move her car , Jersey Tags/Driver. She did, with no hesitation, since she was leaving anyway. I would be interested in knowing why some of you think it is O.K. to park in a spot someone else has dug out? You can't be that crass. And to think there are braggers that delight in destroying someone else's property.shame, shamewhat is this world coming to?
RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and trash can spot claimers)
Title: RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and trash can spot claimers) If you want to shovel out your spot and claim it by putting trash cans or old mattresses in it, then the proper thing to do it to phone jainie blackwell and tell her to get the law changed. That's what she's there for! And it sounds like there are enough people on the list complaining about it that she might listen. Of course, she doesn't have to listen to anybody if she keeps running unopposed. Maybe Bender should challenge her next time running on the trash can ticket. I'd vote for him. Personally, I wait for one of my neighbors to shovel out a spot, then I put my trash cans in it. kc
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a 3.2KB message. i replied . I find this an interesting topic, especially reading the various opinions about parking. If it is rage, then consider me one of those. As a senior citizen who needs to drive (can't ride SEPTA very often because of medical reasons), and as one who pays to park IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, (Residential Permit Parking--car must be registered to that address) I would be more than furious if someone took my parking spot! (someone did Saturday night, a neighbor's guest, there for a Yes, but when you got your permit you surely read the fine print which states that owning a residential permit does not guarantee you a spot, it only guarantees that you will not be ticketed.. $0.02, _Michael. ps: permit parking rocks. our block had been overtaken by obnoxious commuters who would park (often illegally) to take the trolley downtown.. now there is plenty of parking during the day for residents and shoppers. -- .. Michael Jastremski .. Network Systems Engineer .. .. www.oldtimeynerd.net ... .. www.openphoto.net ... You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
Dear Beth, Parking permits do NOT buy you a spot in front of your house. They buy you the convenience of being able to park, with resident preference, any where within the boundaries of the permit. The permits can be handy when you want to park in front of your own home, and also useful when you want to park near stores or services throughout your area. The permitted blocks force nonresident turnover and almost guarantee at least a few open spaces at most controlled times. Permits make it easier for parents to drop kids off at local schools, by giving all a shot at short term spaces. Those with permits can enjoy even long term parking. In some metered areas, folks with permits do not have to fill the meters. When you see signs that say, 2 hour parking, except for permit # (# = 1 in CC and 2 in UC), you don't have to fill the meter if you have the correct permit sticker on your vehicle. Note, that in completely commercial zones, such as center city Chestnut Street, there is usually no waiver. It is less meaningful here in UC than in CC, where almost every street is metered and parking is so tight that some folks at the Rittenhouse Hotel Condominiums will pay about $400 / month for a space. We pay taxes for shared services, not exclusive rights. In fact, City regulations and our deeds specifically prohibit claiming private use of the street or sidewalk. Even where the property owner has applied for and received a zoning permit for a curb cut, the actual parking must be off street and the driveway where it crosses public sidewalk and the street kept clear. Separately, and not legislated, is the ideal... the hope that all of us will help out the physically feeble by easing their path, by helping them (for payment if they are rich and as volunteers if they are not) to clear their sidewalks and vehicles. I know it may be just my preference, but when a young, male Massage therapist feels inadequate to the cooperative nature of clearing spaces, it strikes me as vastly different than when a retired, female Teacher makes a similar complaint. Personally, if I had more time or energy, I would move in the direction of pushing more of our streets toward Permit Parking. My parking frustrations stem from the suburban people who drive into about 48th street and park free while riding Septa to Center City or the free PENN-Bus back from the PENN campus. I am also hard pressed to believe that 18 year-olds need cars at college, and permits might lead to a cost-benefit scenario that puts more of our college students on SEPTA or bikes. Best! Liz On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:30 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find this an interesting topic, especially reading the various opinions about parking. If it is rage, then consider me one of those. As a senior citizen who needs to drive (can't ride SEPTA very often because of medical reasons), and as one who pays to park IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, (Residential Permit Parking--car must be registered to that address) I would be more than furious if someone took my parking spot! (someone did Saturday night, a neighbor's guest, there for a party, and I very politely asked her to move her car , Jersey Tags/Driver. She did, with no hesitation, since she was leaving anyway. I would be interested in knowing why some of you think it is O.K. to park in a spot someone else has dug out? You can't be that crass. And to think there are braggers that delight in destroying someone else's property.shame, shamewhat is this world coming to? Elizabeth Campion http://ilead.realtor.com/display/?id=13380525; 215-790-5653 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
We also have a Residential Parking Permit. It however does not guarantee a parking spot in front of your house. It only signifies to the parking authority not to ticket your car if its parked outside of permitted hours. Im sure on street parking has been a problem ever since cars. Its a city and suburban issue (in towns like Upper Darby and Lansdowne). People seem to be very willing to jump into an available spot, especially during inclement weather, whether theyve shoveled out that spot or not. Selfish? Yes, but is it really worth rage? The old adage what goes around-comes around is in force. There will probably be sometime in your life when you have to park in a spot you didnt shovel for whatever reason. From: owner-univcity@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univcity@list.purple.com] On Behalf Of Robin Gresham-Chin Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:37 AM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers) OK, I wanted to stay out of this but... There are often good reasons for people needing to save parking after a large snow storm. My husband cleaned out my spot. I am unable to. Here is my dilemma. I qualify as handicapped and could have a spot permanently saved for me but out of interest for my neighbors I have chosen not to. We already have one handicap parking space on the block and I know of at least one other person on the block who would qualify. If we all had spaces set aside it would be difficult for others to find a space at all. No one on my block has criticized me for holding my spot during this weather, my neighbors watch me take five minutes to climb the stairs to my house, they understand the situation. I don't know about other blocks but I watch at least three people a day park on our block and walk to the trolly. I assume they are avoiding paying for center city parking and consider West of 40th a secure place to leave their cars. Parking is really tight here and I feel saving my spot for a week instead of year round is better for all of us. So I suggest that we try to think of this block by block. I am sure there are selfish people out there but there are also many like BA Showell and me who are struggling with more than the weather. Robin On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 07:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find this an interesting topic, especially reading the various opinions about parking. If it is rage, then consider me one of those. As a senior citizen who needs to drive (can't ride SEPTA very often because of medical reasons), and as one who pays to park IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, (Residential Permit Parking--car must be registered to that address) I would be more than furious if someone took my parking spot! (someone did Saturday night, a neighbor's guest, there for a party, and I very politely asked her to move her car , Jersey Tags/Driver. She did, with no hesitation, since she was leaving anyway. I would be interested in knowing why some of you think it is O.K. to park in a spot someone else has dug out? You can't be that crass. And to think there are braggers that delight in destroying someone else's property.shame, shamewhat is this world coming to?
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
From: Elizabeth F. Campion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:30:24 -0500 Parking permits do NOT buy you a spot in front of your house. I checked on the Phila.gov web site, and there are two kinds of parking permits. Residential Parking Permits: Residents in eligible areas can purchase parking permits that exempt them from meter and time limit restrictions on posted blocks. Reserved Residential Parking: People with disabilities can have reserved parking zones established in front of their residences. I had never heard of the second kind. Seems to me that if I'm paying for for a reserved spot in front of my house, then I'm entitled to be pissed when someone uses it, regardless of the amount of snow on the ground. It's not a about digging out the space, it's about parking illegally in a handicapped space. --- Chip You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
From: Julia Crane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:03:41 -0500 I'm sure on street parking has been a problem ever since cars. It's a city and suburban issue (in towns like Upper Darby and Lansdowne). People seem to be very willing to jump into an available spot, especially during inclement weather, whether they've shoveled out that spot or not. Selfish? Yes, but is it really worth rage? I must be missing something, because I really don't understand why it's selfish to park in a spot that someone else left. When there's no snow, you need to find a parking spot that someone else left, and when you leave, someone else can park in the spot that you left. When it snows, it's just the same, except that in order to get your car out of the spot, you need to shovel the snow out of the way. After that, you park in some spot that someone else left (and shovelled), and that person is parking in a spot that someone else left, etc, etc. What am I missing? --- Chip You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
RE: Permit Parking My beef with permit parking is that there is a fee to get the sticker. The Parking Authority certainly makes enough money from parking enforcement that anyone who pays property taxes or rent should be entitled to at least one free sticker, so long as the applicant can prove where he/she lives and the vehicle is legally registered to that address. Karen Allen From: Elizabeth F. Campion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Elizabeth F. Campion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:30:24 -0500 Dear Beth, Parking permits do NOT buy you a spot in front of your house. They buy you the convenience of being able to park, with resident preference, any where within the boundaries of the permit. The permits can be handy when you want to park in front of your own home, and also useful when you want to park near stores or services throughout your area. The permitted blocks force nonresident turnover and almost guarantee at least a few open spaces at most controlled times. Permits make it easier for parents to drop kids off at local schools, by giving all a shot at short term spaces. Those with permits can enjoy even long term parking. In some metered areas, folks with permits do not have to fill the meters. When you see signs that say, 2 hour parking, except for permit # (# = 1 in CC and 2 in UC), you don't have to fill the meter if you have the correct permit sticker on your vehicle. Note, that in completely commercial zones, such as center city Chestnut Street, there is usually no waiver. It is less meaningful here in UC than in CC, where almost every street is metered and parking is so tight that some folks at the Rittenhouse Hotel Condominiums will pay about $400 / month for a space. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
Title: RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers) Maybe they realize there's a parking shortage and are trying to discourage people from owning a car in the city -- just a thought... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN My beef with permit parking is that there is a fee to get the sticker. The Parking Authority certainly makes enough money from parking enforcement that anyone who pays property taxes or rent should be entitled to at least one free sticker, so long as the applicant can prove where he/she lives and the vehicle is legally registered to that address.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
RE: I must be missing something, because I really don't understand why it's selfish to park in a spot that someone else left. When there's no snow, you need to find a parking spot that someone else left,... What am I missing? --- Chip Once it snows, that shoveled snow has to go somewhere, and where it goes takes up valuable space and prevents another car from parking there. If no car was in a space during the snowfall, that space is lost, unless someone wants to shovel out all of that snow (and where would that snow go?). And more distance is needed to navigate the car in the snowbank. What ends up happening is you can't park as many cars on a block because you can't park them as close together as you ordinarily would. Karen Allen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
If you are able to claim a spot, and it is to your benefit, then you should. This is one reason why we have a municipal government. The reason the city gives out the special permits is so that the average citizen doesn't have to 'judge' when a parking space is okay for them to park in. It is clearly labeled ... one thing that lawn chairs are not. bga In a message dated 2/4/2005 10:37:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, Robin Gresham-Chin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, I wanted to stay out of this but... There are often good reasons for people needing to save parking after a large snow storm. My husband cleaned out my spot. I am unable to. Here is my dilemma. I qualify as handicapped and could have a spot permanently saved for me but out of interest for my neighbors I have chosen not to. We already have one handicap parking space on the block and I know of at least one other person on the block who would qualify. If we all had spaces set aside it would be difficult for others to find a space at all. No one on my block has criticized me for holding my spot during this weather, my neighbors watch me take five minutes to climb the stairs to my house, they understand the situation. I don't know about other blocks but I watch at least three people a day park on our block and walk to the trolly. I assume they are avoiding paying for center city parking and consider West of 40th a secure place to leave their cars. Parking is really tight here and I feel saving my spot for a week instead of year round is better for all of us. So I suggest that we try to think of this block by block. I am sure there are selfish people out there but there are also many like BA Showell and me who are struggling with more than the weather. Robin On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 07:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find this an interesting topic, especially reading the various opinions about parking. If it is rage, then consider me one of those. As a senior citizen who needs to drive (can't ride SEPTA very often because of medical reasons), and as one who pays to park IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, (Residential Permit Parking--car must be registered to that address) I would be more than furious if someone took my parking spot! (someone did Saturday night, a neighbor's guest, there for a party, and I very politely asked her to move her car , Jersey Tags/Driver. She did, with no hesitation, since she was leaving anyway. I would be interested in knowing why some of you think it is O.K. to park in a spot someone else has dug out? You can't be that crass. And to think there are braggers that delight in destroying someone else's property.shame, shamewhat is this world coming to? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Re: Parking rage
- Original Message -
From: Joe Clarke
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned here, but a
neighbor in Southwest Philadelphia shot and killed another neighbor over a dug
out parking spot ('98,'99?). These men were both members of St. Barnabas
parish. The guy who was killed was the soccer coach for St. B's. The
other guy is probably doing the maximum in prison now. It is a shame, but
also conveys the seriousness of this situation.
Joe C.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: univcity@list.purple.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:09
AM
Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage
I would also like to add a
"bit" about being on a PARKING PERMIT StreetSome
folks have short menories as well..remember the people who were shot and
killed over a dug out parking spot? (Not in Philadelphia though, it was Upper
Darby, which is way west of 40th St.
RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage
Title: Message
During
snow months it is not wise to park in a blocked and dug-out space giventhe
results
history in Philadelphia. It is also inconsiderate to park in that
space. Someone went to the
trouble of digging it out..it could be for a senior citizen...they
blocked it to let you know that
they
would appreciate it if you didn't park there. To me.. it is very simple, move
on. We all
know
that it is not particularly legal but it is the wise and considerate thing to
do.
There
are many known "norms" that are associated with city living, blocking parking
spaces
is
defiantly one, learning to live with noise on occasion is another. Get the
picture?
The
root problem is that many people are generally inconsiderate when it comes
to
parking on a street, particularly college students who are often parking
intoxicated!
When
it is not snowing (as stated on this listserv) folks will block your driveway,
park
using
multiple spaces not leaving room for additional cars to fit. Student neighbors
will
park
their car in front of your house when they know you park there every day.
Often
there
are multiple spaces available across the street for instance. Generally
un-neighborly
and
inconsiderate behavior. Parking in any direction is another
favorite.
I was
a Block Captain for many years and would distribute a document called "The
Neighbors
Bill
of Rights" to residents, particularly students. The document outlined basic
respect guidelines
along
withwhat to expectwhile city living. We actually had a Neighbor's
Parking Guide which
asked
everyone to be mindful of leaving enoughspace for others to park, not
parking in front of a
neighbors house if they also owned a
carallowing each neighbor an opportunity to park and watch
their
car at night. It also discouraged parking multiple
cars on the block if you were not driving them
to
free up parking spaces. Students are notorious for leaving cars parked for
weeks.
Like
so many areas of the city, we have many parking issues to find solutions
for.
Much
of what is being discussed is related to a lack of communication and respect for
the common
man,
or neighbor. Instead of complaining we need to get committed to finding short
term and long term
solutions. I'm game if anyone else would be.
S.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joe ClarkeSent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:14
PMTo: University CitySubject: [UC] Re: Parking
rage
- Original Message -
From: Joe Clarke
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned here, but a
neighbor in Southwest Philadelphia shot and killed another neighbor over a dug
out parking spot ('98,'99?). These men were both members of St. Barnabas
parish. The guy who was killed was the soccer coach for St. B's.
The other guy is probably doing the maximum in prison now. It is a
shame, but also conveys the seriousness of this situation.
Joe C.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: univcity@list.purple.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:09
AM
Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Parking
rage
I would also like to add
a "bit" about being on a PARKING PERMIT StreetSome
folks have short menories as well..remember the people who were shot and
killed over a dug out parking spot? (Not in Philadelphia though, it was
Upper Darby, which is way west of 40th St.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage
I would also like to add a "bit" about being on a PARKING PERMIT Street Some folks have short menories as well..remember the people who were shot and killed over a dug out parking spot? (Not in Philadelphia though, it was Upper Darby, which is way west of 40th St.
RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
Title: RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers) Well, seeing as putting trash cans in your parking spot is illegal, root for the law abiding citizen! What would your property values be without a USP student crusing your hood for parking? I'm pleased to say that there are only THREE slackers on my block! Everybody else eventually shoveled their walks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:28 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Re: Parking rage Today I saw a USP student cruise our block thrice looking for parking. From her demeanor she was obviously late for class. I have no sympathy for those students who use our neighborhood as a parking lot. The USP student stopped her car and moved the trash cans of the neighbor who refuses to shovel her sidewalk. The Shovelling Refuser saw what was going on and tried to stop the USP student from parking. I didn't know who to root for. :-)
[UC] Re: Parking rage
Today I saw a USP student cruise our block thrice looking for parking. From her demeanor she was obviously late for class. I have no sympathy for those students who use our neighborhood as a parking lot. The USP student stopped her car and moved the trash cans of the neighbor who refuses to shovel her sidewalk. The Shovelling Refuser saw what was going on and tried to stop the USP student from parking. I didn't know who to root for. :-) In a message dated 1/31/2005 4:41:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vivianne T Nachmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: there is someone on our block who does not shovel or even try (some sidewalks can be very long!). I thought one could be fined for that, there is a code. Anyone know if one wanted to make it difficult for a recalcitrant neighbor? vtn On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 09:36:48PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An amusing anecdote (I hope) - One of our neighbors on the block I live on refuses to shovel her sidewalk. She, of course, protects the parking space in front of her house with two trashcans. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
I'm so glad that my block only had one space-saver this winter (which my husband Andy Diller swiftly took care of). There may be limited parking, but there are limited nubmers of people who need to park in our neighborhood as well. I have never had to walk more than 1 block to my house - snow on the street or not. And I never parked back in the spot we cleared out, either. The idea that doing 20 minutes of labor buys you your own private spot is ridiculous. -Katie --- Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, seeing as putting trash cans in your parking spot is illegal, root for the law abiding citizen! What would your property values be without a USP student crusing your hood for parking? I'm pleased to say that there are only THREE slackers on my block! Everybody else eventually shoveled their walks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:28 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Re: Parking rage Today I saw a USP student cruise our block thrice looking for parking. From her demeanor she was obviously late for class. I have no sympathy for those students who use our neighborhood as a parking lot. The USP student stopped her car and moved the trash cans of the neighbor who refuses to shovel her sidewalk. The Shovelling Refuser saw what was going on and tried to stop the USP student from parking. I didn't know who to root for. :-) = Katie Convery Diller __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
I didn't take 20 minutes to shovel out my parking space, it took me over an hour of back breaking work. And yes, I do think that deserves your space to be reserved, at least for a few days when everybody else decides to finally shovel out their own spot. And that everyone else does it. I rarely ever park more than a block from my house either, that is because I pay for my spot (literally). So when someone does take it, I'm naturally upset. But does that make me want to run over the guy who ran over my plastic $4 chair? No. No more than taking someone else's garbage can out of the way so that I can park. I know 2 wrongs do not make a right, but 2 people not having proper parking etiquette do get parking spots eventually. :) Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Katie Convery Diller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers) I'm so glad that my block only had one space-saver this winter (which my husband Andy Diller swiftly took care of). There may be limited parking, but there are limited nubmers of people who need to park in our neighborhood as well. I have never had to walk more than 1 block to my house - snow on the street or not. And I never parked back in the spot we cleared out, either. The idea that doing 20 minutes of labor buys you your own private spot is ridiculous. -Katie --- Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, seeing as putting trash cans in your parking spot is illegal, root for the law abiding citizen! What would your property values be without a USP student crusing your hood for parking? I'm pleased to say that there are only THREE slackers on my block! Everybody else eventually shoveled their walks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:28 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Re: Parking rage Today I saw a USP student cruise our block thrice looking for parking. From her demeanor she was obviously late for class. I have no sympathy for those students who use our neighborhood as a parking lot. The USP student stopped her car and moved the trash cans of the neighbor who refuses to shovel her sidewalk. The Shovelling Refuser saw what was going on and tried to stop the USP student from parking. I didn't know who to root for. :-) = Katie Convery Diller __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page - Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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When I imagine the peace and harmony that exists on Diller's block, I always think of the JW propaganda with the picture that depicts people of all colors living in harmony with wildlife,on a beautiful sunny day with a rainbow in the backgound. It must be wonderful!! -- Original Message -- From: Katie Convery Diller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Katie Convery Diller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:38:34 -0800 (PST) I'm so glad that my block only had one space-saver this winter (which my husband Andy Diller swiftly took care of). There may be limited parking, but there are limited nubmers of people who need to park in our neighborhood as well. I have never had to walk more than 1 block to my house - snow on the street or not. And I never parked back in the spot we cleared out, either. The idea that doing 20 minutes of labor buys you your own private spot is ridiculous. -Katie --- Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, seeing as putting trash cans in your parking spot is illegal, root for the law abiding citizen! What would your property values be without a USP student crusing your hood for parking? I'm pleased to say that there are only THREE slackers on my block! Everybody else eventually shoveled their walks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:28 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Re: Parking rage Today I saw a USP student cruise our block thrice looking for parking. From her demeanor she was obviously late for class. I have no sympathy for those students who use our neighborhood as a parking lot. The USP student stopped her car and moved the trash cans of the neighbor who refuses to shovel her sidewalk. The Shovelling Refuser saw what was going on and tried to stop the USP student from parking. I didn't know who to root for. :-) = Katie Convery Diller __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. Sent via the WebMail system at mail.sbvlaw.com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
Actually those plastic ones just get pushed away from the car: the wooden ones are what I have a hankering for. Also, if everyone shovels out a spot, then who cares where you park-- you'll get an empty one somewhere. If someone hasn't shoved their car out, you won't get the space. To me, it's a big washout, unless you find an empty space with a wooden chair in it. On Feb 3, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Peter Coyle wrote: Diller crushed your chair? :Pete On Feb 3, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Dan Myers wrote: -andy You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
I shoveled out the snow from my car's space the day after the storm. That evening I had to use the car for about 45 minutes. I put our trash can in the space that one time only, mainly so that I'd not have to shovel elsewhere when I got back. Starting the next morning, I simply left the space, and drove to work. To my utter delight, the same space was waiting for me every day at my return from work. Elliot On 03 Feb 2005, at 17:29, Andrew Diller wrote: Actually those plastic ones just get pushed away from the car: the wooden ones are what I have a hankering for. Also, if everyone shovels out a spot, then who cares where you park-- you'll get an empty one somewhere. If someone hasn't shoved their car out, you won't get the space. To me, it's a big washout, unless you find an empty space with a wooden chair in it. On Feb 3, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Peter Coyle wrote: Diller crushed your chair? :Pete On Feb 3, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Dan Myers wrote: -andy You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
I find this an interesting topic, especially reading the various opinions about parking. If it is rage, then consider me one of those. As a "senior citizen" who needs to drive (can't ride SEPTA very often because of medical reasons), and as one who pays to park IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, (Residential Permit Parking--car must be registered to that address) I would be more than furious if someone took my parking spot! (someone did Saturday night, a neighbor's guest, there for a party, and I very politely asked her to move her car , Jersey Tags/Driver. She did, with no hesitation, since she was leaving anyway. I would be interested in knowing why some of you think it is O.K. to park in a spot someone else has dug out? You can't be that "crass". And to think there are "braggers" that delight in destroying someone else's property.shame, shame"what is this world coming to?"
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
Everyone has to dig out a spot in the winter, you don't own part of a city street just because you dug your car out of there. I got rid of my car, so I don't have a personal stake in this issue. It's illegal, and selfish to place debris in a city street to claim that spot for yourself. I wish I had a pick up truck so I could pick up everyone's crap out of the spaces, and take it all to the dump. Or... I could save an absolutely huge multi-block spot on Diller's street. Someone taking a spot that you pay for is an entirely different issue. Those people should get towed, or possibly keyed. :Pete On Feb 3, 2005, at 7:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in knowing why some of you think it is O.K. to park in a spot someone else has dug out?
RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers)
Title: RE: [UC] Re: Parking rage (and non-walk shoveling slackers) I wish I had a pick up truck so I could pick up everyone's crap out of the spaces, and take it all to the dump. Or... I could save an absolutely huge multi-block spot on Diller's street. better yet, take it to clark park and fill the bowl thus ending another long west philly debate
[UC] Re: Parking rage
Factors add up in the courtesy game Shoveling Apparent fragility Location directly in front of a house, etc. might all be taken into consideration. But ultimately, here in UC, it should average out that every driver had to dig their car out, and probably would have gone back to that space if it had not already been taken, by another driver who had to dig her car out, and down the line. Your husband may be a young, healthy looking guy with no apparent back problem. Neighbors are not psychics. A courtesy they might extend to a 70 year old woman may not fall your way. And a vehicle as a weapon or threat against a good neighbor is not a valid display of anger. I believe that furniture and cans in parking spaces are unsightly and potential harmful. A light dusting of snow and the objects become part of the landscape and sometimes part of a muffler or all of the cause of someone else's trip and fall. The truly handicapped should apply to the city for a properly marked space and the rest of us should take the Subway or our chances. I say this knowing that I agree with most of Susan's posts and hoping to stop the litter and sense of entitlement that seems to be bred by example. All the best! Liz On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:18:42 -0500 Susan I. Finkelstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What happened to Yvonne Paterson and others concerning violent behavior over parking spots is unacceptable and frightening. Of course! But... after spending more than an hour shoveling out our car, which is parked directly in front of our house, my husband with a sore back, and me with scraped knees from falling down in the process, I would be angry if someone moved a trash can or milk crate or whatever we had placed there so we wouldn't have to go through the same back-breaking event again. Granted the city does own the street, but I think an hour of sweat equity does count for something when snow and ice are excessive. S. At 12:32 PM 1/30/2005 -0500, Andrew Diller wrote: One of my favorite winter pastimes is using my Jeep to drive right over and crush the various chairs, cones and other trash that the teeming millions place outside in the vain hope of 'saving' their spots. It's very fun to crush them with a 4x4. On Jan 29, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Yvonne Paterson wrote: there were several parking spots available but folks had put trash cans and other objects in them to save them. -andy Susan I. Finkelstein Grants and Development Writer University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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At least these people were blocking a so-called public space. Still, I agree with Susan that if one puts forth the elbow grease and sweat during extraordinary circumstances, people who did not do the work should respect that. I on the other hand have had people parking IN my driveway right up against the garage during this whole snow thing. Sometimes they are just stopping at the coffee shop (Sam's) and sometimes not. THAT is the ultimate in rudeness. That's my house for Pete's sake! On 1/31/05 10:47 AM, Elizabeth F. Campion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Factors add up in the courtesy game Shoveling Apparent fragility Location directly in front of a house, etc. might all be taken into consideration. But ultimately, here in UC, it should average out that every driver had to dig their car out, and probably would have gone back to that space if it had not already been taken, by another driver who had to dig her car out, and down the line. Your husband may be a young, healthy looking guy with no apparent back problem. Neighbors are not psychics. A courtesy they might extend to a 70 year old woman may not fall your way. And a vehicle as a weapon or threat against a good neighbor is not a valid display of anger. I believe that furniture and cans in parking spaces are unsightly and potential harmful. A light dusting of snow and the objects become part of the landscape and sometimes part of a muffler or all of the cause of someone else's trip and fall. The truly handicapped should apply to the city for a properly marked space and the rest of us should take the Subway or our chances. I say this knowing that I agree with most of Susan's posts and hoping to stop the litter and sense of entitlement that seems to be bred by example. All the best! Liz On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:18:42 -0500 Susan I. Finkelstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What happened to Yvonne Paterson and others concerning violent behavior over parking spots is unacceptable and frightening. Of course! But... after spending more than an hour shoveling out our car, which is parked directly in front of our house, my husband with a sore back, and me with scraped knees from falling down in the process, I would be angry if someone moved a trash can or milk crate or whatever we had placed there so we wouldn't have to go through the same back-breaking event again. Granted the city does own the street, but I think an hour of sweat equity does count for something when snow and ice are excessive. S. At 12:32 PM 1/30/2005 -0500, Andrew Diller wrote: One of my favorite winter pastimes is using my Jeep to drive right over and crush the various chairs, cones and other trash that the teeming millions place outside in the vain hope of 'saving' their spots. It's very fun to crush them with a 4x4. On Jan 29, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Yvonne Paterson wrote: there were several parking spots available but folks had put trash cans and other objects in them to save them. -andy Susan I. Finkelstein Grants and Development Writer University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage - Theft of One's Labour
In a message dated 1/31/2005 2:23:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if one puts forth the elbow grease and sweatduring extraordinary circumstances, people who did not do the work shouldrespect that I see very little difference between these cowardly thieves and armed robbers. Stealing the fruits of some's labor is reprehensible, no matter the weather. There are a lot of people out there who seem to believe they are anointed: what is yours is mine. Talking about screwing the little guy, here is another piece on Donald the Shyster: Posted on Mon, Jan. 31, 2005 TATTLEHoward Gensler | Firm suing Trump over wedding chandeliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] FINALLY, SOME good dirt on the Donald Trump Melania Knauss wedding. According to the Palm Beach Post, the man who supplied three fancy chandeliers for Trump's opulent Mar-a-Lago ballroom says he's going to sue Trump because he's not been paid. (By the way, since wife No. 2 Marla Maples has now been officially replaced, shouldn't Donald rename the property Mel-a-Lago?) Anyway, unlike all the suck-up snookered vendors who thought they were doing the Starr Jones wedding and gave Mr. Billionaire free food, transportation, jewelry and clothes, Nicolas Jacobsen of Classic Chandeliers expected to be paid for his merchandise. (C'mon, man, the Donald didn't get rich actually paying for stuff.) "When Mr. Trump came to buy the things, he didn't want to pay the sales taxes," Jacobsen told the Post. "But I wouldn't let him take them unless he did." (Taxes? Wealthy developers don't even know what taxes are. Trump was expecting an abatement.) Within hours a Trump courier (probably some "Apprentice" contestant) returned with a check for $16,998, as a deposit. Jacobsen then had the large chandelier installed in the ballroom entrance and the two smaller ones went up in the bathrooms. Yup. "I went to Mar-a-Lago several times with copies of the invoices, and they keep saying they'll take care of it," Jacobsen said. Yeah, pal, on their own time. "How dare him hassling us over this," said a Trump mouthpiece in New York. "We're not running out of money. He'll get paid. The norm up here is three months for payment. Isn't that how it is in Florida?" If only the story ended there. No, after this tale appeared in the Palm Beach Post, newlywed Trump called the reporter to vent. "You want a story?" Trump yelled. "I'll give you a story. This guy [Jacobsen] did a terrible, terrible job. He was late with the chandeliers. He didn't have the proper equipment to install them. His bills were too high. He had to use my people to install them. We're going to end up in court because he's just trying to get free publicity. I'm not going to pay him what I owe him. That's it. I'm not paying." (Ballroom: $7.5 million. Unpaid chandelier bill: $17,000.) Jacobsen said he had done a fine job. "Mr. Trump wants to belittle me," he said. "That's his style. He is 58. When is he going to grow up? I will collect, one way or another." FAIR USE NOTICEThis site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.
Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage - Theft of One's Labour
Title: Re: [UC] Re: Parking rage - Theft of One's Labour Nor do I. No one said it should be forever! On 1/31/05 3:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/31/2005 2:23:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if one puts forth the elbow grease and sweat during extraordinary circumstances, people who did not do the work should respect that I see very little difference between these cowardly thieves and armed robbers. Stealing the fruits of some's labor is reprehensible, no matter the weather. There are a lot of people out there who seem to believe they are anointed: what is yours is mine. Talking about screwing the little guy, here is another piece on Donald the Shyster: http://www.pnionline.com/readerservices/subscribe/dn_delivery.asp Posted on Mon, Jan. 31, 2005 TATTLE Howard Gensler | Firm suing Trump over wedding chandeliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] FINALLY, SOME good dirt on the Donald Trump Melania Knauss wedding. According to the Palm Beach Post, the man who supplied three fancy chandeliers for Trump's opulent Mar-a-Lago ballroom says he's going to sue Trump because he's not been paid. (By the way, since wife No. 2 Marla Maples has now been officially replaced, shouldn't Donald rename the property Mel-a-Lago?) Anyway, unlike all the suck-up snookered vendors who thought they were doing the Starr Jones wedding and gave Mr. Billionaire free food, transportation, jewelry and clothes, Nicolas Jacobsen of Classic Chandeliers expected to be paid for his merchandise. (C'mon, man, the Donald didn't get rich actually paying for stuff.) When Mr. Trump came to buy the things, he didn't want to pay the sales taxes, Jacobsen told the Post. But I wouldn't let him take them unless he did. (Taxes? Wealthy developers don't even know what taxes are. Trump was expecting an abatement.) Within hours a Trump courier (probably some Apprentice contestant) returned with a check for $16,998, as a deposit. Jacobsen then had the large chandelier installed in the ballroom entrance and the two smaller ones went up in the bathrooms. Yup. I went to Mar-a-Lago several times with copies of the invoices, and they keep saying they'll take care of it, Jacobsen said. Yeah, pal, on their own time. How dare him hassling us over this, said a Trump mouthpiece in New York. We're not running out of money. He'll get paid. The norm up here is three months for payment. Isn't that how it is in Florida? If only the story ended there. No, after this tale appeared in the Palm Beach Post, newlywed Trump called the reporter to vent. You want a story? Trump yelled. I'll give you a story. This guy [Jacobsen] did a terrible, terrible job. He was late with the chandeliers. He didn't have the proper equipment to install them. His bills were too high. He had to use my people to install them. We're going to end up in court because he's just trying to get free publicity. I'm not going to pay him what I owe him. That's it. I'm not paying. (Ballroom: $7.5 million. Unpaid chandelier bill: $17,000.) Jacobsen said he had done a fine job. Mr. Trump wants to belittle me, he said. That's his style. He is 58. When is he going to grow up? I will collect, one way or another. FAIR USE NOTICE This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.
RE: [UC] RE: Parking rage [feel the love]
Title: RE: [UC] RE: Parking rage [feel the love] about two years ago, i left my house early one morning to pick up my mother at the airport and found that there was a car surgically parked between two others blocking my car into my driveway. my first thought was to smash their windshield with a hammer, but then i marveled at the parking job -- you couldn't have fit a pizza box between the front or back bumper of that car and the cars parked on either side of my driveway. wow! i thought, that's the best parking job i've ever seen. it tempered my thoughts and i wrote them a nice note explaining my frustration at having to take a taxi to pick up my mother, but complimenting them on the most precise job of paralell parking i'd ever seen. when i got home from the airport about two hours later, the offending car was gone and there was a pabst blue ribbon beer sitting on the hood of my car with a blue bow and a note which said (something to the effect of): Dear Sir, I was horrified to discover that I had blocked your driveway. I never would have done it intentionally, but I was very drunk when I parked the car.
Re: [UC] RE: Parking rage [feel the love]
Beautiful! Let me compliment you on your gracious and nonviolent response to the drunken brute who had the infernal rind to block up your driveway. Personally, in your situation, andpossessing the large volume of artillery which you are known to keep in your living room, I would have simply blown them away, both them and their stupid automobile. To all those suffering from winter parking rage, let me reiterate gloatingly, as I so often have, seemingly without effect, that infernal combustion engines are the work of the devil. My standard and truly callous advice is to "get a horse". Also, let me recommend, if you have not already read it, Calvin Trillin's brilliant little gem about parking in the Big Apple titled "Tepper Isn't Going Out". Ross Benderhttp://rossbender.org/myersbriggs.html In a message dated 1/30/2005 10:07:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: about two years ago, i left my house early one morning to pick up my mother at the airport and found that there was a car surgically parked between two others blocking my car into my driveway. my first thought was to smash their windshield with a hammer, but then i marveled at the parking job -- you couldn't have fit a pizza box between the front or back bumper of that car and the cars parked on either side of my driveway. "wow!" i thought, "that's the best parking job i've ever seen." it tempered my thoughts and i wrote them a nice note explaining my frustration at having to take a taxi to pick up my mother, but complimenting them on the most precise job of paralell parking i'd ever seen. when i got home from the airport about two hours later, the offending car was gone and there was a pabst blue ribbon beer sitting on the hood of my car with a blue bow and a note which said (something to the effect of): Dear Sir, I was horrified to discover that I had blocked your driveway. I never would have done it intentionally, but I was very drunk when I parked the car.
[UC] Re: Parking rage
One of my favorite winter pastimes is using my Jeep to drive right over and crush the various chairs, cones and other trash that the teeming millions place outside in the vain hope of 'saving' their spots. It's very fun to crush them with a 4x4. On Jan 29, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Yvonne Paterson wrote: there were several parking spots available but folks had put trash cans and other objects in them to save them. -andy You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] RE: Parking rage [feel the love]
In a message dated 1/30/2005 10:07:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a pabst blue ribbon beer sitting on the hood of my car with a blue bow Keeping in mind this is Sunday, a day for worship, (as previously reaffirmed in one of Bender's posted religious diatribes) am I to assume this is some kind of Touched by an Angel plot line? Had you not been parked in, you would have driven yourself, involving you and/or your mother in a tragicauto accident? Of course if the offender really gave a shxt, he would have used a red bow and left $50 to cover your taxi costs. Dear Sir, I was horrified to discover that I had blocked your driveway. I never would have done it intentionally, but I was very drunk when I parked the car. Sounds to me like to an alcohol junky used some endearing patter to scam you out of your quiet enjoyment of your property. While I appreciatethe elegant spatial proportioning of the scene, it seems to me not only were youscrewedbut you derived some kind of religio-masochistic pleasure from the episode. Maybe its the basis of a visual parable for your next show? I thought wewere people who valued a terrible swift justice. Disorder in the community is prevalent, when its currency is devalued. Peace unto you and yours. Craig
[UC] Re: Parking rage
Dear Yvonne, I am glad you were not hurt and I almost feel sorry for your new neighbor. He has made a very bad start. The first impression he has left upon you, and those who can figure out who he is, by his location, is that he is an arrogant, bully with an inflated sense of entitlement and massive self control deficiencies. And, worse he exercised those characteristics upon someone who is well liked and well respected. Maybe he was having a hideous day, and maybe this was an aberrant expression of his character, but unless and until he apologizes, we will can not think the best of him. Separately, money is only money. Better financially qualified Home Buyers translated to more money for Sellers and Agents, but not always to superior personal traits. In fact, the process of acquiring money can actually reinforce unpleasant traits. One of the sad things that I am seeing, in UC, is decent Adult-children, of some of the established families, are unable to buy into UC. The families are sometimes being replaced not through any meritocracy but because those who can afford the homes have had more opportunities at every step of the way. My work is delightful when I get to work with a Clients who are both financially qualified and meritorious. Money can creates fences between understanding. Children grow up believing what they are taught. And if they are taught that whining, cheating, crying or bullying results in the prize (whether it is parking or a trophy spouse), than those behaviors will come into play. The good news is the older we get, the less tolerant we are of those behaviors and most folks are eventually socialized through peer encounters. Some, just later than others. I am glad you survived, and the neighbor reveals himself as better than his first impression and that the story becomes a comical symbol of possible change. I can remember, with a twinge of embarrassment. some of my least attractive first impressions, and was glad I was sometimes given a second chance to make a better impression. All the best in 2005! Liz On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:49:09 -0500 Yvonne Paterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the influx of new entrants into the neighborhood it appears I now have as neighbors people, who have different expectations of what being a neighbor means. One of my neighbor tried to run me over last Wednesday evening! This was due to road rage - or rather parking rage. As you all know, after heavy snow, like we had last weekend, parking gets very tight and for some reason people think that if they dig their car out of a spot then they own the spot. On Sunday we dug out two spots, our car and one where our weekend visitors had parked, we also helped out a neighbor. When we got back home after work on Monday. All the parkable spots on the street that had been shovelled (including ours) had been taken so Milt dug the snow out of another spot so that we could park. When we got back to our house on Wednesday there were several parking spots available but folks had put trash cans and other objects in them to save them. There was a long stretch very near our house and the spots we had dug out (now occupied by others) that could accommodate about 3 cars. I got out to move the trash can in the spot nearest our house. As I was doing this a guy pulled up in a car and started screaming at me that it was his spot. I denied this and continued moving the trash can. He reversed sharply into the spot knocking over all the other cans, aimed his car at me and accelerated towards me forcing me to jump into the snow bank to avoid being hit. Milt pulled in behind him and got out of the car to ask him why he had tried to run over his wife! He shouted some invective and took off down the street disappearing into a house several removed from ours - and from the parking spot! I was really shaken and upset and we decided to call 911. The police officers who came were very sympathetic and went to his house to tell him that it is illegal to block the street because the city owns the street and it is also illegal to use your car to intimidate your neighbors. They came back and said that he had admitted being in the wrong and we would not have any more problems with him. We declined to press charges.We have not received an apology. What is sad is that for the first time ever, Milt and I seriously discussed moving out of the neighborhood. This is after 17 years and surviving the crack-cocaine epidemic, having our house burgled, our car broken into several times and being robbed in front of our house. Despite all of this Milt and I always felt that our neighborhood had a sense of community and well-being towards one another that was lacking elsewhere. However, the neighborhood has changed - most think for the better. Sure our property values have increased with the influx of new owners
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On Jan 30, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Kyle Cassidy wrote: ...there was a pabst blue ribbon beer sitting on the hood of my car with a blue bow... A Pabst Blue Ribbon? Are you sure they weren't trying to rub it in your face? GJJ
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An amusing anecdote (I hope) - One of our neighbors on the block I live on refuses to shovel her sidewalk. She, of course, protects the parking space in front of her house with two trashcans.
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I hear Narberth is nice this time of year. Ross Benderhttp://rossbender.org/myersbriggs.html In a message dated 1/29/2005 3:50:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the influx of new entrants into the neighborhood it appears I now have as neighbors people, who have different expectations of what being a neighbor means. One of my neighbor tried to run me over last Wednesday evening! This was due to road rage - or rather "parking rage". As you all know, after heavy snow, like we had last weekend, parking gets very tight and for some reason people think that if they dig their car out of a spot then they own the spot. On Sunday we dug out two spots, our car and one where our weekend visitors had parked, we also helped out a neighbor. When we got back home after work on Monday. All the parkable spots on the street that had been shovelled (including "ours") had been taken so Milt dug the snow out of another spot so that we could park. When we got back to our house on Wednesday there were several parking spots available but folks had put trash cans and other objects in them to save them. There was a long stretch very near our house and the spots we had dug out (now occupied by others) that could accommodate about 3 cars. I got out to move the trash can in the spot nearest our house. As I was doing this a guy pulled up in a car and started screaming at me that it was his spot. I denied this and continued moving the trash can. He reversed sharply into the spot knocking over all the other cans, aimed his car at me and accelerated towards me forcing me to jump into the snow bank to avoid being hit. Milt pulled in behind him and got out of the car to ask him why he had tried to run over his wife! He shouted some invective and took off down the street disappearing into a house several removed from ours - and from the parking spot! I was really shaken and upset and we decided to call 911. The police officers who came were very sympathetic and went to his house to tell him that it is illegal to block the street because the city owns the street and it is also illegal to use your car to intimidate your neighbors. They came back and said that he had admitted being in the wrong and we would not have any more problems with him. We declined to press charges.We have not received an apology.What is sad is that for the first time ever, Milt and I seriously discussed moving out of the neighborhood. This is after 17 years and surviving the crack-cocaine epidemic, having our house burgled, our car broken into several times and being robbed in front of our house. Despite all of this Milt and I always felt that our neighborhood had a sense of community and well-being towards one another that was lacking elsewhere. However, the neighborhood has changed - most think for the better. Sure our property values have increased with the influx of new owners but it seems to have lost the sense of community I so valued and that kept me dedicated to living here. I had hoped when the neighborhood became fashionable that the kind of people who wanted to move here would share my general values and ideas about what is acceptable conduct. There has been a lot of discussion on this list serve recently about street crime. Well, this has been a reality of life in our neighborhood for many years but somehow I always managed to take it in my stride. I know that I have never felt more unsafe than when this "new neighbor" attacked me because he was so angry and out of control. I am still hoping that this incident is the exception and that we have some positive experiences with new neighbors that off-set this extremely negative one.Sadly,yvonne-- Yvonne Paterson, Ph.D.Professor of MicrobiologyUniversity of Pennsylvania323 Johnson Pavilion36th St. and Hamilton WalkPhiladelphia, PA 19104-6076Tel. (215) 898-3461FAX: (215) 573-4666http://www.med.upenn.edu/immun/Faculty/paterson.htmlhttp://www.med.upenn.edu/micro/faculty/paterson.html
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Mayer, Ann wrote: I am sorry to here about this ugly incident of someone claiming A parking place by violent means. It is a shame when Anyone in the neighborhood has to endure such dangerous, thuggish Behavior by someone who lives nearby. But, I do not think It is due to new people. Sadly, I estimate that it is due to the General decline in civility and consideration. If you ever watch The show Airline on AE and see how vicious and hysterical people Get in airports when they get to the check in desk too late, when Weather leads to flight delays, when they are removed from flights Due to aggressive and obnoxious behavior, etc., you are reminded That basic good manners and respect for others have sadly eroded. On Airline, the infuriated, out of control customers tend to resort To attacks on low level airline workers who are obviously not the Parties responsible for their problems. From my own experience, I can report that irrational, nasty Acts in fits of parking rage are not new in our area. Back in 1997, I needed to have my front sidewalk replaced. I put Up a barrier in front of the sidewalk on the street, since the Guy doing the job would only put in the new sidewalk if he could Park his truck right next to the area he was working on. He delayed Coming for several days, during which time I kept the combination Of trash cans and boards, with a sign warning about the impending Sidewalk construction so people would understand why I had a Barrier in what ordinarily would be a parking space. [...] I love how ann's messages capitalize the first letter of each new line. like it's poetry. or maybe there's a secret anagrammed message, if you read down the left edge... . laserbeam® [aka ray] how does she do that? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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