RE: Should I block Experian/Free Credit Report
R-Elists wrote: Ask your customers - block the ads for a while and see if anyone complains. /Per Jessen, Zürich that's right, experts should always ask the uninformed or unqualified. ;-) Must be why Marc asked the list too :-) But seriously, in a case like this, who better to ask than the people you are serving? /Per Jessen, Zürich
RE: Should I block Experian/Free Credit Report
Per, Must be why Marc asked the list too :-) so, that is why you responded? are you the uninformed, or the unqualified? or both? ;- But seriously, in a case like this, who better to ask than the people you are serving? but seriously, *all* necessary things considered to make a determination, do the people that one is serving have *all* that it takes to make that determination... if they dont, then forget them, do you? :-) and do you have a comprehensive solution ready to go that doesnt block potentially good emails from the credit blessing organization bottom feeders, who will buy and sell pert. info from virutally anyone - rh
RE: Should I block Experian/Free Credit Report
R-Elists wrote: Per, Must be why Marc asked the list too :-) so, that is why you responded? are you the uninformed, or the unqualified? or both? ;- Nah, I leave that to others. But seriously, in a case like this, who better to ask than the people you are serving? but seriously, *all* necessary things considered to make a determination, do the people that one is serving have *all* that it takes to make that determination... The spam/ham decision is always in the eye of the beholder. One persons spam is another ones ham. /Per Jessen, Zürich
Re: Should I block Experian/Free Credit Report
In article 4b5b125e.2050...@perkel.com, Marc Perkel m...@perkel.com writes This is a tricky decision. What they Free Credit Report / Experian is doing is fraudulent. Although they aren't stealing they way phishers are, just because they aren't just as bad. In fact I suspect they rip off far more people than phishers do. I'm thinking about black listing them but if I do it will block them on everyone who uses the hostkarma blacklist. It's a decision like the Google in China decision. These people are really evil. But they are entrenched in government protection. I'm no fan of them but as a company they're probably big enough within the UK market that they have legit traffic. But then I wouldn't use Hostkarma to block, only score, so I somewhat think if you do blacklist them it won't make much difference. That said, surely if they're currently on White you've put them there for a reason so your Brown list is more suitable for them than Black. If you have a halfway step then surely most list changes would go through that while assessing the impact. Kevin
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Re: administra...@willspc.net bounces
On 1/23/2010 11:56 AM, wolfgang wrote: I sent an unsubscription request for the address in question to users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org. Won't work, AFAIK. You need to reply to the unsub request to confirm it. Otherwise, you would be able to unsubscribe anyone :)
RE: Should I block Experian/Free Credit Report
The spam/ham decision is always in the eye of the beholder. One persons spam is another ones ham. /Per Jessen, Zürich Per, you are right! i am seeing you filling out those free credit report URL's frequently... :-) yet... the thing really is, i havent figured how to block from them other than Bayes, or IP and the IP thing is in full... no recourse... so, then i would have to determine is the ip blocks had any legit traffic... since this is getting marginally OT, what i think we might consider focusing on is this and it is realistically for Spam-L if a company advertises on the edge of being scammers publically, should we trust those same types of emails... i think not... so then the On Topic thing is, how do we best deal with them in Spamassassin... JDow hit is on the head with Bayes and other SA rules / tools... - rh
Re: Should I block Experian/Free Credit Report
R-Elists wrote: The spam/ham decision is always in the eye of the beholder. One persons spam is another ones ham. /Per Jessen, Zürich Per, you are right! i am seeing you filling out those free credit report URL's frequently... :-) yet... the thing really is, i havent figured how to block from them other than Bayes, or IP and the IP thing is in full... no recourse... Only if blocking at smtp time. Write a rule and give it a score. so, then i would have to determine is the ip blocks had any legit traffic... since this is getting marginally OT, what i think we might consider focusing on is this and it is realistically for Spam-L if a company advertises on the edge of being scammers publically, should we trust those same types of emails... i think not... so then the On Topic thing is, how do we best deal with them in Spamassassin... Again, write a rule and give it a score. If you don't know how, post an example message to pastebin and others will show you how. JDow hit is on the head with Bayes and other SA rules / tools... - rh
Re: administra...@willspc.net bounces
On Sun 24 Jan 2010 05:55:21 PM CET, Evan Platt wrote Won't work, AFAIK. You need to reply to the unsub request to confirm it. Otherwise, you would be able to unsubscribe anyone :) why did the bounce not go to apache.org ?, or did it, but apache.org did not see the problem in maillist ? not even the bounce email exists on the mta, so it will be bounce for anything sent to this domain, why did thay not remove that sucking domain from dns ? :) -- xpoint http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
Re: administra...@willspc.net bounces
In an older episode (Sunday, 24. January 2010), Evan Platt wrote: On 1/23/2010 11:56 AM, wolfgang wrote: I sent an unsubscription request for the address in question to users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org. Won't work, AFAIK. You need to reply to the unsub request to confirm it. Otherwise, you would be able to unsubscribe anyone :) Well, it did work, since I wrote to users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org (which reaches the list adminstrators) after trying users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org first, which did indeed automatically request confirmation. Regards, wolfgang
Re: administra...@willspc.net bounces
In an older episode (Sunday, 24. January 2010), Benny Pedersen wrote: You are right, concerning mails to users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.org why did the bounce not go to apache.org ? As stated before: because the MTA of the recipient sends bounces to the address in the From: header line, not to the envelope sender address (which would be apache.org). not even the bounce email exists on the mta, so it will be bounce for anything sent to this domain, why did thay not remove that sucking domain from dns ? :) Harsh reply: why do you post that question here instead of asking them who would probably be the only ones able to answer that? Regards, wolfgang
Re: administra...@willspc.net bounces
In an older episode (Sunday, 24. January 2010), Benny Pedersen wrote: You are right, concerning mails to users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.org why did the bounce not go to apache.org ? As stated before: because the MTA of the recipient sends bounces to the address in the From: header line, not to the envelope sender address (which would be apache.org). not even the bounce email exists on the mta, so it will be bounce for anything sent to this domain, why did thay not remove that sucking domain from dns ? :) Harsh reply: why do you post that question here instead of asking them who would probably be the only ones able to answer that? Regards, wolfgang
RE: Should I block Experian/Free Credit Report
R-Elists wrote: The spam/ham decision is always in the eye of the beholder. One persons spam is another ones ham. /Per Jessen, Zürich Per, you are right! i am seeing you filling out those free credit report URL's frequently... :-) Fortunately, I have yet to see any of those. so then the On Topic thing is, how do we best deal with them in Spamassassin... I see no problem in catching them - the OPs question was whether to do so or not, I think. /Per Jessen, Zürich
Re: Should I block Experian/Free Credit Report
On 23-Jan-10 18:54, Alex wrote: Have they ever been prosecuted or fined for this fraud? They are a government protected triumvirate Monopoly, and as such, are essentially untouchable. You have as much luck as complaining to the fascists at TSA or ICE. -- Woof bloody woof.
Re: [sa] Re: administra...@willspc.net bounces
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010, Benny Pedersen wrote: why did the bounce not go to apache.org ?, or did it, but apache.org did not see the problem in maillist ? Because we have a caching server accepting the mail, and then when it *finally* decides the client is not going to retrieve the mail, it generates a bounce using the visible From header. To misquote a line from E.E. (Doc) Smith, I could have eaten a hand full of iron filings and *puked* a better mail server than that. not even the bounce email exists on the mta, so it will be bounce for anything sent to this domain, why did thay not remove that sucking domain from dns ? :) I blocked these in my firewall, so I can't tell how old the mail is being currently 'returned', but when I was getting them they were for mail that was VERY old, like the MTA was giving up on the mail after a specific amount of time (like a month or more). This is the reason I opted for a firewall solution. That MTA was going to be doing this a long time. :( - C
