Re: Manager app language
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 André, André Warnier wrote: This Tomcat, Sir, was born English-speaking, in an English-speaking Host, and spoke exclusively English for the first 3 years of his life. Only yesterday did he ever speak German I would be overjoyed if my 3-year-old could suddenly speak German: he'd probably be better than me: Ich spreche nur ein bischen Deutsch. Ma parlo un poco d'Italiano. I just can't decide which language to master. Maybe I'll start with English ;) - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk1VFMACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PBoWACfTx5KJd1EZdyFKYZjV521Zr/9 eeEAn1UaqolARQGBrriLdF5MaKRNfXk6 =d0Oq -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 André, André Warnier wrote: Now, and no fault of yours of course, that seems like a curious way for the Manager to work, in my opinion. It means that despite its inherent capability - discovered 2 days ago by still unexplained accident - of speaking in tongues, it only does so according to the overall Tomcat LANG setting, and does not pay attention to the browser's Accept-Language headers. Sounds like an opportunity for a patch ;) - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk1VKEACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjwwCdF7gnRCugCfH257wRRmyVtjRC aMMAoJfGvvh59ov4ngT5To80ggc7GjDe =VrKS -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 André, André Warnier wrote: This Tomcat, Sir, was born English-speaking, in an English-speaking Host, and spoke exclusively English for the first 3 years of his life. Only yesterday did he ever speak German I would be overjoyed if my 3-year-old could suddenly speak German: he'd probably be better than me: Ich spreche nur ein bischen Deutsch. Ma parlo un poco d'Italiano. I just can't decide which language to master. Maybe I'll start with English ;) With a name like yours, I'd definitely go for Italian though, for the surprise effect. Il Schulz-e, de Tedesco niente, ma parla Italiano como un mafioso. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Michael Ludwig schrieb am 26.11.2008 um 20:57:12 (+0100): LC_MESSAGES or LC_ALL would be the ones to look out for. LC_CTYPE is for character classification. Watch out for LANG, which overrides everything else. I was mistaken here. LANG is *not* the one that overrides everything else. LANG is overriden by LC_MESSAGES (or any other LC_* accordingly), which in turn are overridden by LC_ALL. Michael Ludwig - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Michael Ludwig wrote: Michael Ludwig schrieb am 26.11.2008 um 20:57:12 (+0100): LC_MESSAGES or LC_ALL would be the ones to look out for. LC_CTYPE is for character classification. Watch out for LANG, which overrides everything else. I was mistaken here. LANG is *not* the one that overrides everything else. LANG is overriden by LC_MESSAGES (or any other LC_* accordingly), which in turn are overridden by LC_ALL. In any case : - setting LC_CTYPE to either en_GB.iso885915 or de_DE.iso885915 in the Tomcat startup scripts (e.g. sentenv.sh), and restarting Tomcat, results in the Tomcat Manager list applications page to be displayed respectively in English or German. Setting LC_ALL would probably have the same effect. - in our case, we still have something somewhere that causes (or caused) the Manager to display its list apps page in German, despite the fact that LC_CTYPE was always set to en_GB.iso885915 on that host (except for the above test). The most likely suspect so far, would be some other web application, which during the execution of its init() method, would (have) reset the user.language property of the JVM, at a time before the init() method of the Tomcat Manager was called. It is however a bit difficult to track down now, because in the meantime we have removed some unnecessary web applications (servlet-examples, jsp-examples, balancer example,..), and we are not sure that the resulting order of web application startup is the same as it was before these deletions. As a general comment, and considering that nowadays the place where Tomcat is being managed may not necessarily reflect the geographical location of the host on which it runs, I would recommend in future that either the Manager would respond in function of the browser's Accept-Language headers, or that the Manager language would be set in an init-param section in it's web.xml. It would definitely remove an element of surprise and wonder though, which could be preserved by allowing a value of any for said init-param. This would also help advertise the fact that the Tomcat Manager can speak in tongues, which was unknown to us until a couple of weeks ago. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language Personally, I don't see anything in there that looks like it is setting the global JVM user.language property. So what was the basis of your previous statement that the JSP is doing that? As you noted, there's nothing in it now reflecting that behavior other than the comment. The basis was that when I explained what to the developer of that app what was happening to the Manager, along with your comment that an application's init() could change the global user.language before the Manager got a look at it, he said Oops !, I think I do that by default. So, the version that you saw may not have it anymore, but it is possible that the developer (who is German) changed it in the meantime; or it is possible that the developer was wrong and that his app did not do that in the first place. I will find out tomorrow when I talk to him. There is still the possibility that another application is doing it. There are still other apps that are launched there, two of which we do not have the source. What I still don't know, is where these apps (any app for that matter, even the Manager) would have picked up German, rather than any other language. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language In the Welcome page of this application (the one mentioned in the web.xml's welcome-file tag), right before anything gets displayed to the user calling it up, the user.language property is currently being set to German Sounds like we have a prime suspect. Can you post the portion of the JSP that does that? So we have a suspect. That would be good. But see further. The code is here : http://dev.dev.wissensbank.com/public/index.jsp Personally, I don't see anything in there that looks like it is setting the global JVM user.language property. But maybe the developer (to whom I told the story) has already updated his app. I'll have to ask him. Now my question is : assuming Tomcat is started anew, that all applications are deployed and loaded Are they? What is the value of deployOnStartup in your Host element(s)? (The default value is true.) Host name=localhost appBase=webapps unpackWARs=true autoDeploy=true xmlValidation=false xmlNamespaceAware=false So, true, apparently. And I guess any init() method called by Tomcat would thus be the one of this jsp compiler. Correct. But does that jsp compiler already pre-compile some of the pages, and execute some of the methods invoked in these pages, even before a user would actually call up the page ? They don't have to be pre-compiled, just not modified since the last usage. The JSP servlet saves the generated .java and .class files in Tomcat's work directory and reuses them across Tomcat restarts. However, I can't find any mechanism that will invoke the generated code prior to a request occurring. Too bad then, I think we've just lost our prime suspect. Since the manager servlets are not configured with load-on-startup, it looks to me like any request for your main webapp that arrives before one for the manager will trigger the observed behavior. There may be some subtleties in the Tomcat initialization process that narrows the window, but I haven't dug into it enough to see them. Understand : it does not really bother me that much that the Manager would come up either in German or English. That, we can live with. It is the underlying reason that I would like to track down, because that may tell us more about what to do and not to do in our webapps, or what may be wrong in our current setup. For example, the webapp above which set user.language by default is something developed in-house. So now we know we should not do this, and it's easy to fix. Anyway, I have done a couple of tests : 1) if in the Tomcat startup scripts (*), I set LC_CTYPE=en_GB.iso885915 and restart Tomcat, and call up the Manager page first, then the Manager responds in English. 1) if in the Tomcat startup scripts, I set [EMAIL PROTECTED] then the Manager responds in German. (*) (tomcat_dir)/bin/setenv.sh In both cases, I also tried to call up the suspicious webapp first, and to change its language, but in the current version of the webapp, this did not influence the way the Manager responded afterward. So, I have to conclude that either this webapp was modified between my previous posts and now, or else that at some point in time the LC_CTYPE in the startup scripts was set to German. That is something I have a real difficulty imagining though, because as far as I know I am the only one to touch these scripts, and I am quite sure that except today and for the above tests, I never ever put a german locale in there. And the system's default locale (in /etc/default/locale) is # File generated by update-locale LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-15 and was last modified in 2007. The strange thing however is that the above locale does not appear when I enter locale -a | grep US on that system. These appear : en_US en_US.iso88591 en_US.iso885915 en_US.utf8 Oh well, I guess some element of mystery must remain. Thanks again for all the help. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Manager app language
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language Personally, I don't see anything in there that looks like it is setting the global JVM user.language property. So what was the basis of your previous statement that the JSP is doing that? As you noted, there's nothing in it now reflecting that behavior other than the comment. These appear : en_US en_US.iso88591 en_US.iso885915 en_US.utf8 Hyphens are squeezed out when looking for a match, and case is ignored. There also appear to be some internal aliases used for some well-known character sets. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language Do you really mean that one webapp can change that setting and thus influence other webapps that way ? Yes - which is why you can configure a SecurityManager to restrict anti-social behavior. Ok. I understand the idea. But I have a question below. If Tomcat Host has autoDeploy=true, is that still valid ? It's not autoDeploy that would affect it, but rather deployOnStartup; regardless, the init() method of a servlet could change the value if its webapp happened to be deployed before the manager webapp. Ok again. Let me detail this painstakingly, as I want to make sure I understand this correctly, and my understanding of JSP is even more scarce than that of Java and servlets in general. We have one application, which consist exclusively of jsp pages. In the Welcome page of this application (the one mentioned in the web.xml's welcome-file tag), right before anything gets displayed to the user calling it up, the user.language property is currently being set to German, as a default value, and the initial page display is in German, with a possibility for the user to switch the language right away. So, I understand that as soon as this page is being *displayed*, the JVM's user.language property is now de, and that any webapp which, from this point on, would read this property from the same JVM would also get de. Now my question is : assuming Tomcat is started anew, that all applications are deployed and loaded, but assuming the above application has not yet been *accessed* by anyone since that restart, can this application already have changed the value of the user.language property ? Even more painstakingly : not knowing the jsp mechanism very well, I nevertheless imagine that the real servlet in that case is some jsp compiler, ready to compile on-the-fly any jsp page called up by the application (and thereafter caching the compiled code for later re-use). And I guess any init() method called by Tomcat would thus be the one of this jsp compiler. But does that jsp compiler already pre-compile some of the pages, and execute some of the methods invoked in these pages, even before a user would actually call up the page ? - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] RE: Manager app language
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldarale, Charles R wrote: Is the server named after a legendary British king, the Kinks album, or the HHGTTG character? HHGTTG. We also have marvin, ford, dent, zaphod, trillian, fenchurch,.. even a slartibartfast (wich also has an alias, for evident reasons). marvin is an old Sun, which has been making strange complaining noises for a while now, unsurprisingly. Zaphod: Computer... Eddie: Hi, this is Eddie, your shipboard computer. I hope you're having a great day! Zaphod: ... yeah. Er... computer... Eddie: Call me Ed, please, if it'll help you relax. Zaphod: ... look, can you just tell me the probability of everybody on the Tomcat mailing list being able to get the right combination of JVM, Tomcat version, lack of repackaging, AJP connector options and logging configured? Eddie: Oh, that's an easy one! Two to the power of infinity minus one... and rising! - Peter - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RE: Manager app language
Peter Crowther wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldarale, Charles R wrote: Is the server named after a legendary British king, the Kinks album, or the HHGTTG character? HHGTTG. We also have marvin, ford, dent, zaphod, trillian, fenchurch,.. even a slartibartfast (wich also has an alias, for evident reasons). marvin is an old Sun, which has been making strange complaining noises for a while now, unsurprisingly. Zaphod: Computer... Eddie: Hi, this is Eddie, your shipboard computer. I hope you're having a great day! Zaphod: ... yeah. Er... computer... Eddie: Call me Ed, please, if it'll help you relax. Zaphod: ... look, can you just tell me the probability of everybody on the Tomcat mailing list being able to get the right combination of JVM, Tomcat version, lack of repackaging, AJP connector options and logging configured? Eddie: Oh, that's an easy one! Two to the power of infinity minus one... and rising! Well, this whole discussion started because we have this webapp which does the same thing to Tomcat as making a cup of tea did to Eddie. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Manager app language
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language In the Welcome page of this application (the one mentioned in the web.xml's welcome-file tag), right before anything gets displayed to the user calling it up, the user.language property is currently being set to German Sounds like we have a prime suspect. Can you post the portion of the JSP that does that? Now my question is : assuming Tomcat is started anew, that all applications are deployed and loaded Are they? What is the value of deployOnStartup in your Host element(s)? (The default value is true.) And I guess any init() method called by Tomcat would thus be the one of this jsp compiler. Correct. But does that jsp compiler already pre-compile some of the pages, and execute some of the methods invoked in these pages, even before a user would actually call up the page ? They don't have to be pre-compiled, just not modified since the last usage. The JSP servlet saves the generated .java and .class files in Tomcat's work directory and reuses them across Tomcat restarts. However, I can't find any mechanism that will invoke the generated code prior to a request occurring. Since the manager servlets are not configured with load-on-startup, it looks to me like any request for your main webapp that arrives before one for the manager will trigger the observed behavior. There may be some subtleties in the Tomcat initialization process that narrows the window, but I haven't dug into it enough to see them. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: Michael Ludwig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language I'm not sure Tomcat would bother what character encoding you specify in LANG. It does, albeit indirectly. JVM initialization uses the LANG value to set user.language, user.country, sun.jnu.encoding, and file.encoding, and it's the user.language setting that determines which LocalStrings file the manager uses. Curiously enough, LANG=de_DE.iso885915 does not work on the SuSE box I'm using; the JVM reverted to en, US, and ANSI-X3.4-1968 when I tried that. LANG=de_DE.iso88591 does work as expected, even though locale -a doesn't list it. Chuck, Michael, Thanks to both of you for researching this. I will try different settings to start Tomcat, and see if it does it. I have to wait until the night to do that, because there's other people using that cat. But I still have a doubt, see below. Now, and no fault of yours of course, that seems like a curious way for the Manager to work, in my opinion. It means that despite its inherent capability - discovered 2 days ago by still unexplained accident - of speaking in tongues, it only does so according to the overall Tomcat LANG setting, and does not pay attention to the browser's Accept-Language headers. Now, about my doubts and the LANG setting : our Tomcat, for a different reason, is and was always set up with a small change in catalina.sh, to set the LANG to en_GB.iso885915, which is a valid locale on that system (Linux Debian Etch now, Sarge earlier). It certainly did not change over the last week, overlapping thus the fateful day when the Manager spoke German to us. The (almost) unrelated reason is that we have one webapp (object-code only) which apparently does not interpret some input streams correctly otherwise (like when Tomcat is started under a UTF-8 locale such as en_GB.utf8). So as far as I am concerned thus, the mystery about the German Manager episode two days ago remains whole. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# locale -a C de_BE [EMAIL PROTECTED] de_BE.iso88591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] de_BE.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] de_DE [EMAIL PROTECTED] de_DE.iso88591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] de_DE.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] deutsch dutch en_GB en_GB.iso88591 en_GB.iso885915 en_GB.utf8 en_US en_US.iso88591 en_US.iso885915 en_US.utf8 es_ES [EMAIL PROTECTED] es_ES.iso88591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] es_ES.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] français fr_BE [EMAIL PROTECTED] fr_BE.iso88591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] fr_BE.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] french fr_FR [EMAIL PROTECTED] fr_FR.iso88591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] fr_FR.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] german italian it_IT [EMAIL PROTECTED] it_IT.iso88591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] it_IT.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] nl_NL [EMAIL PROTECTED] nl_NL.iso88591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] nl_NL.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] pl_PL pl_PL.iso88592 pl_PL.utf8 polish portuguese POSIX pt_PT [EMAIL PROTECTED] pt_PT.iso88591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] pt_PT.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] spanish [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Manager app language
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language It means that despite its inherent capability of speaking in tongues, it only does so according to the overall Tomcat LANG setting, and does not pay attention to the browser's Accept-Language headers. That's due to its use of the standard Java internationalization mechanism. Supporting multiple languages simultaneously is a good bit more complicated. Also, since the manager app is an administrative function, one would expect that responsibility to be handled in-country (although that's probably a lot less true now than just a few years ago). set the LANG to en_GB.iso885915 It certainly did not change over the last week, overlapping thus the fateful day when the Manager spoke German to us. As I mentioned previously, the user.language setting can be changed on the fly. If a webapp altered it before the first reference to the manager app, that would affect the response of the manager. One question remains unanswered: was Tomcat restarted between the English - Deutsch transition, and then again between the Deutsch - English one? If your server's locale file was somehow unavailable and the en_GB.iso885915 setting became undecipherable at the time the JVM initialized, the platform may well have resorted to some default - which could be German in this case. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# locale -a Is the server named after a legendary British king, the Kinks album, or the HHGTTG character? - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: Is the server named after a legendary British king, the Kinks album, or the HHGTTG character? HHGTTG. We also have marvin, ford, dent, zaphod, trillian, fenchurch,.. even a slartibartfast (wich also has an alias, for evident reasons). marvin is an old Sun, which has been making strange complaining noises for a while now, unsurprisingly. We recently started with an enterprise (VMWare server) and a spock and a kirk (VM machines) though, cause we ran out of main characters in HHGTTG. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: Also, since the manager app is an administrative function, one would expect that responsibility to be handled in-country.. Yeah, thought of that too. Ok, I guess it is acceptable for the Manager. As I mentioned previously, the user.language setting can be changed on the fly. If a webapp altered it before the first reference to the manager app, that would affect the response of the manager. I missed that before. Do you really mean that one webapp can change that setting and thus influence other webapps that way ? If Tomcat Host has autoDeploy=true, is that still valid ? One question remains unanswered: was Tomcat restarted between the English - Deutsch transition, probably and then again between the Deutsch - English one? probably If your server's locale file was somehow unavailable that is unlikely I mean that I certinly restarted Tomcat several times in the last week, including probably in-between the Manager language changes. But I did not change the LANG environment value in the modified catalina.sh,bcause that makes one of other apps fail visibly, and that did not happen. I will try tonight again. We do have one webapp that has its own properties file and changes its language on the fly (at user request). I'll have to ask the colleague tomorrow if it also resets the system's user.language setting. Better, I'll try it. I will also play again with the LANG environment setting of the overall Tomcat, to see if the Manager switches. Today it was still English, on all stations. I'm really glad I took a snapshot the other day, and had a colleague try it, or else people around me would think I imagined the whole thing. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
André Warnier schrieb am 25.11.2008 um 16:55:51 (+0100): Apparently since today, the Manager app (accessed through /manager/html) responds with its main page in German. Ist doch schön! - the Tomcat startup script sets LC_CTYPE to the same value prior to LC_MESSAGES or LC_ALL would be the ones to look out for. LC_CTYPE is for character classification. Watch out for LANG, which overrides everything else. But where the h.. does Tomcat or the Manager figure that it needs to send the application list main page in German ? Don't complain about user-friendliness :-) Michael Ludwig - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Michael Ludwig wrote: André Warnier schrieb am 25.11.2008 um 16:55:51 (+0100): Apparently since today, the Manager app (accessed through /manager/html) responds with its main page in German. Ist doch schön! - the Tomcat startup script sets LC_CTYPE to the same value prior to LC_MESSAGES or LC_ALL would be the ones to look out for. LC_CTYPE is for character classification. Watch out for LANG, which overrides everything else. But where the h.. does Tomcat or the Manager figure that it needs to send the application list main page in German ? Don't complain about user-friendliness :-) I told Chuck already (but not the list) that this morning it is back to English, and all attempts to display the Manager page again in German fail. Not only from my workstation and my 3 browsers, also on the workstation of another colleague who, like me, saw it in German yesterday for the first time. Wie nennt man gremlins in Deutsch ? - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
André Warnier schrieb am 26.11.2008 um 21:02:10 (+0100): I told Chuck already (but not the list) that this morning it is back to English, and all attempts to display the Manager page again in German fail. Not only from my workstation and my 3 browsers, also on the workstation of another colleague who, like me, saw it in German yesterday for the first time. Wie nennt man gremlins in Deutsch ? Kobolde. Zur See auch Klabautermänner, aber ich schätze, Dein Tomcat ist eine Landratte. Oder wohl eher eine Landkatze. Michael Ludwig - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Michael Ludwig wrote: André Warnier schrieb am 26.11.2008 um 21:02:10 (+0100): I told Chuck already (but not the list) that this morning it is back to English, and all attempts to display the Manager page again in German fail. Not only from my workstation and my 3 browsers, also on the workstation of another colleague who, like me, saw it in German yesterday for the first time. Wie nennt man gremlins in Deutsch ? Kobolde. Zur See auch Klabautermänner, aber ich schätze, Dein Tomcat ist eine Landratte. Oder wohl eher eine Landkatze. This Tomcat, Sir, was born English-speaking, in an English-speaking Host, and spoke exclusively English for the first 3 years of his life. Only yesterday did he ever speak German, and by today he seems to have forgotten all of it, despite all our attempts to feed him appetising bits of LANG=de_DE.iso885915, Accept-language=de; and other Gummy Bäre. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Manager app language
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language But where the h.. does Tomcat or the Manager figure that it needs to send the application list main page in German ? The nice Tomcat folks provided a few language translations of the manager strings in LocalStrings[_xx].properties files (buried inside server/webapps/manager/WEB-INF/lib/catalina-manager.jar). The appropriate one is read up as a ResourceBundle during manager initialization based on the value of Locale.getDefault(). The default Locale is derived from the user.language system property, which itself initially comes from LC_xxx variants, if not set on the command line. The default Locale can be changed on the fly (as can user.language), but that shouldn't affect message bundles already read in. If Tomcat or the manager app were not restarted before each language change, I still don't understand how this could happen. I went so far as to modify the manager servlet to change the Locale after each display of the status page (and show the current language), but it still had no effect. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
André Warnier schrieb am 26.11.2008 um 23:48:50 (+0100): Only yesterday did he ever speak German, and by today he seems to have forgotten all of it, despite all our attempts to feed him appetising bits of LANG=de_DE.iso885915, Accept-language=de; and other Gummy Bäre. I'm not sure Tomcat would bother what character encoding you specify in LANG. I'd say this gets configured at the web application level. What does `locale -a' on your Debian machine say? Maybe your LANG setting is not installed. Try a LANG that is listed among the installed locales. (GNU Gettext requires the requested locale be installed in the OS, else ignoring the locale you're trying to set.) Or simply: LANG=de_DE ./startup.sh # or maybe even LANG=de ./startup.sh Michael Ludwig - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Manager app language
From: Michael Ludwig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language I'm not sure Tomcat would bother what character encoding you specify in LANG. It does, albeit indirectly. JVM initialization uses the LANG value to set user.language, user.country, sun.jnu.encoding, and file.encoding, and it's the user.language setting that determines which LocalStrings file the manager uses. Curiously enough, LANG=de_DE.iso885915 does not work on the SuSE box I'm using; the JVM reverted to en, US, and ANSI-X3.4-1968 when I tried that. LANG=de_DE.iso88591 does work as expected, even though locale -a doesn't list it. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Manager app language
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Manager app language I have a strange happening in Tomcat 5.5, under Linux Debian. Red flag goes up: real Tomcat, or Debian corruption? Apparently since today, the Manager app (accessed through /manager/html) responds with its main page in German. Pretty cool. A standard Tomcat does not have any German in it. (There are French, Japanese, and Spanish translations of some messages - and some distributions add other languages, but I've never seen one with alternate language web pages.) Have you been hacked? (Or perhaps Google translation is more widespread than we knew...) Großer Bruder aufpaßt Sie ie. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Manager app language I have a strange happening in Tomcat 5.5, under Linux Debian. Red flag goes up: real Tomcat, or Debian corruption? Apparently since today, the Manager app (accessed through /manager/html) responds with its main page in German. Pretty cool. A standard Tomcat does not have any German in it. (There are French, Japanese, and Spanish translations of some messages - and some distributions add other languages, but I've never seen one with alternate language web pages.) Have you been hacked? (Or perhaps Google translation is more widespread than we knew...) Großer Bruder aufpaßt Sie ie. Looks like it. Attached the page I get. It's cool, but I have no idea where it comes from. In the official Tomcat, where is this page hidden ? - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Manager app language
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language Attached the page I get. It got stripped off somewhere along the way. In the official Tomcat, where is this page hidden ? The manager pages in 5.5 are generated dynamically by servlets in: server/webapps/manager/WEB-INF/lib/catalina-manager.jar Now that I look in there, I have to correct what I said previously: there are indeed German strings available for the manager messages, so something could have gotten switched. Will have to look at the source code to see what triggers use of the LocalStrings_de.properties file. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manager app language
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manager app language Attached the page I get. It got stripped off somewhere along the way. In the official Tomcat, where is this page hidden ? The manager pages in 5.5 are generated dynamically by servlets in: server/webapps/manager/WEB-INF/lib/catalina-manager.jar Now that I look in there, I have to correct what I said previously: there are indeed German strings available for the manager messages, so something could have gotten switched. Will have to look at the source code to see what triggers use of the LocalStrings_de.properties file. Thanks. Here is the page. At least I'm sure this time that I attach it. Grosse Bruder might still remove it though. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
