Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello Group, Have a read at Krivit's latest blog post here: This has been posted in the comments section. I'm assuming the email is authentic: Received via e-mail: “Well done, as usual. Look forward to your reporting of the upcoming Rossi tests.” Dennis Bushnell It could mean different things depending on the reader's point of view, in my opinion. Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Upcoming October 6th test location revealed
Hello group, It definitely looks like that the next test will be performed in Bologna. Have a look at this scan here, from Rossi's EPO patent application page: http://goo.gl/3MhxO This is the usual location we've seen many times in images and videos over the last months. It's Rossi's lab in Bologna. I found this information on Passerini's blog here, who confirms that the test will last 24 hours. This time he won't report in real time what will happen during the test, but he will post his story about it at a later time and together with NyTeknik and Focus (an Italian science and technology news magazine): http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/09/fatti-non-parole.html Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
So, Dennis Bushnell is Krivit's acolyte? 2011/9/30 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello Group, Have a read at Krivit's latest blog post here: This has been posted in the comments section. I'm assuming the email is authentic: Received via e-mail: “Well done, as usual. Look forward to your reporting of the upcoming Rossi tests.” Dennis Bushnell It could mean different things depending on the reader's point of view, in my opinion. Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:The 7 Stages of Robot Replacement
http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2011/09/the_7_stages_of.php This guy probably has a future! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Coutdown at ecat.com
Dear People, I noticed that the countdown at http://ecat.com/ points to tonight, October 1st, 12:00am. This is odd given that the only significant market in my timezone is that of my country, Brazil, but that page is in English. What does that show to you? In case that is synchronized with the computer clock, would you mind changing the clock in your computer to later date so that we see what happens? I am at work now and I cannot change my clock.
[Vo]:Plug-in hybrid Prius announced
Toyota announced a plug-in previous hybrid car will be available nationwide starting January 1, 2012. The base price is around $32,000. Battery range is greater than 20 km. In other news from Japan, the Fukushima reactors are now all cooled below 100°C. In English: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110929006221.htm - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Coutdown at ecat.com
From: Daniel Rocha * I noticed that the countdown at http://ecat.com/ points to tonight, October 1st, 12:00am. This is odd given that the only significant market in my timezone is that of my country, Brazil, but that page is in English. What does that show to you? Hmm . Brazil is the country of the future . and always will be ?
Re: [Vo]:Coutdown at ecat.com
What I mean is, what does the countdown show to you, in your timezone? What happens to that website if you put a later date, say, tomorrow, in your computer's clock?
Re: [Vo]:Plug-in hybrid Prius announced
From Jed: Toyota announced a plug-in previous hybrid car will be available nationwide starting January 1, 2012. The base price is around $32,000. Battery range is greater than 20 km. I assume you meant to say Prius whereas Dragon interpreted your dictation as previous. Somehow a $32k price tag along with a whopping 20 km max range does not strike me as terribly impressive. Am I missing something vital here? In other news from Japan, the Fukushima reactors are now all cooled below 100°C. In English: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110929006221.htm I would imagine getting the temperature of contaminated water below the boiling point is indeed a good step towards recovery. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Stirling Energy Systems Files for Chapter 7 Bankruptcy
In principle, thermal-solar should be cheaper than PV, but rapid progress in PV has outpaced solar-thermal. This may be a case of the second-best technology beating the best because of government subsidies and widespread interest and participation in the development. See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2011/09/solar-shakeout-continues-stirling-energy-systems-files-for-chapter-7-bankruptcy - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Coutdown at ecat.com
It's a countdown clock. Zero hour will be 6:00pm Eastern on 9/30/2011. It says We are currently building a new site which will be ready soon. In the mean time you can follow join our newsletter to stay updated on our progress. T On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What I mean is, what does the countdown show to you, in your timezone? What happens to that website if you put a later date, say, tomorrow, in your computer's clock?
Re: [Vo]:Coutdown at ecat.com
Thanks. So, it was synchronized with my computer's clock. 2011/9/30 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com It's a countdown clock. Zero hour will be 6:00pm Eastern on 9/30/2011. It says We are currently building a new site which will be ready soon. In the mean time you can follow join our newsletter to stay updated on our progress. T On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What I mean is, what does the countdown show to you, in your timezone? What happens to that website if you put a later date, say, tomorrow, in your computer's clock?
Re: [Vo]:Plug-in hybrid Prius announced
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:39 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Am I missing something vital here? Lithium batteries are 'spensive? T
Re: [Vo]:Coutdown at ecat.com
Is that an e-cat related site? http://www.who.is/website-information/ecat.com/ Seems to be E.CAT. from Electric Catalog mic 2011/9/30 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Thanks. So, it was synchronized with my computer's clock. 2011/9/30 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com It's a countdown clock. Zero hour will be 6:00pm Eastern on 9/30/2011. It says We are currently building a new site which will be ready soon. In the mean time you can follow join our newsletter to stay updated on our progress. T On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What I mean is, what does the countdown show to you, in your timezone? What happens to that website if you put a later date, say, tomorrow, in your computer's clock?
Re: [Vo]:Coutdown at ecat.com
I On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. So, it was synchronized with my computer's clock. More likely it is sync'ed to a SNTP server in your country. Here is something about that: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/262680 Time servers are distributed throughout the internet: http://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi T
Re: [Vo]:Coutdown at ecat.com
Yeah, I know. But I found it interesting that it would start a few hours before October, the month with lots of surprises for the ecat. 2011/9/30 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Is that an e-cat related site? http://www.who.is/website-information/ecat.com/ Seems to be E.CAT. from Electric Catalog mic 2011/9/30 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Thanks. So, it was synchronized with my computer's clock. 2011/9/30 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com It's a countdown clock. Zero hour will be 6:00pm Eastern on 9/30/2011. It says We are currently building a new site which will be ready soon. In the mean time you can follow join our newsletter to stay updated on our progress. T On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What I mean is, what does the countdown show to you, in your timezone? What happens to that website if you put a later date, say, tomorrow, in your computer's clock?
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
At 05:26 AM 9/30/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: So, Dennis Bushnell is Krivit's acolyte? Received via e-mail: Well done, as usual. Look forward to your reporting of the upcoming Rossi tests. Dennis Bushnell luke (luca) says: September 30, 2011 at 14:12 Dr. Bushnell you are going on the record as agreeing with Mr. Krivit that tests were performed in September by Rossi for NASA and the tests were not positive. If this is not your intention then please state otherwise. Thanks Luke
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
On 2011-09-30 18:15, Alan J Fletcher wrote: luke (luca) says: September 30, 2011 at 14:12 [...] Given the wording of this comment, if Krivit forgets to post Bushnell's answer, that could be erroneously interpreted as his confirmation that the tests were not positive. User luke (luka) should have asked his question in a more direct form, in my opinion. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Plug-in hybrid Prius announced
On 11-09-30 10:39 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: From Jed: Toyota announced a plug-in previous hybrid car will be available nationwide starting January 1, 2012. The base price is around $32,000. Battery range is greater than 20 km. I assume you meant to say Prius whereas Dragon interpreted your dictation as previous. Somehow a $32k price tag along with a whopping 20 km max range does not strike me as terribly impressive. Am I missing something vital here? Yes. It's a hybrid, which means its max range is actually more like 400 or 500 miles. If you want to bop over to the next city on the weekend, you can use the car for that, no prob, and it'll get typical Prius gas mileage on the trip. Its max range on *batteries* *only* is 20 km, which is enough for most commuters to get to work, where they can plug in again, and then get home on the charge they got during the day, without using a drop of gas. So you would only need to buy gas for those weekend excursions. If you don't do a lot of short-hop driving, you probably won't be interested in that car. But if you do, it could be a win. I think there are enough people who commute less than 20 km round trip (or less than 40 km round trip to a company with outdoor outlets) that Toyota'll find a healthy market for it. I agree, though, a longer batteries-only range would make it interesting to a lot more people.
Re: [Vo]:Upcoming October 6th test location revealed
On Sep 30, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, It definitely looks like that the next test will be performed in Bologna. Have a look at this scan here, from Rossi's EPO patent application page: http://goo.gl/3MhxO This is the usual location we've seen many times in images and videos over the last months. It's Rossi's lab in Bologna. I found this information on Passerini's blog here, who confirms that the test will last 24 hours. This time he won't report in real time what will happen during the test, but he will post his story about it at a later time and together with NyTeknik and Focus (an Italian science and technology news magazine): http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/09/fatti-non-parole.html Cheers, S.A. Interesting! Thanks for posting that. So the 1 MW E-cat will be tested in Bologna Oct. 6 with Teknik, and Focus information agency, using a heat exchanger. http://www.focus-fen.net/ That certainly saves shipping costs. That must be a very large heat exchanger! It is excellent for credibility of the calorimetry that a heat exchanger will be used. Hopefully the flows will be measured in a credible fashion. Apparently the primary coolant will be fed back to the E-cat somewhat hot. There is a notable lack of comment on the presence of a big american company. I see no attribution to the published quote. I hope this goes off very successfully. If so this would be a great blessing to the LENR field. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Plug-in hybrid Prius announced
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Its max range on *batteries* *only* is 20 km, which is enough for most commuters to get to work, where they can plug in again, and then get home on the charge they got during the day, without using a drop of gas. So you would only need to buy gas for those weekend excursions. That might be true where you live; however, here in Atlanta, the average commute is 33 miles one-way. ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89231809 ) My commute is 25 miles. My parking lot would require a 200 ft extension cord on average to find a 120 V outlet. I am looking to trade my Scion xB for the new iQ which will increase my mileage by about 30%. T
Re: [Vo]:Upcoming October 6th test location revealed
On 2011-09-30 19:33, Horace Heffner wrote: Interesting! Thanks for posting that. So the 1 MW E-cat will be tested in Bologna Oct. 6 with Teknik, and Focus information agency, using a heat exchanger. http://www.focus-fen.net/ Hmm no, it's the Italian science and technology magazine Focus: http://www.focus.it/ I wonder if other Italian mainstream media that covered this matter during the past months (RAI, Radio24/Il Sole 24 Ore, etc.) will be there too. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Upcoming October 6th test location revealed
Am 30.09.2011 19:33, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Sep 30, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, It definitely looks like that the next test will be performed in Bologna. Have a look at this scan here, from Rossi's EPO patent application page: http://goo.gl/3MhxO This is the usual location we've seen many times in images and videos over the last months. It's Rossi's lab in Bologna. I found this information on Passerini's blog here, who confirms that the test will last 24 hours. This time he won't report in real time what will happen during the test, but he will post his story about it at a later time and together with NyTeknik and Focus (an Italian science and technology news magazine): http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/09/fatti-non-parole.html Cheers, S.A. Interesting! Thanks for posting that. So the 1 MW E-cat will be tested in Bologna Oct. 6 with Teknik, and Focus information agency, using a heat exchanger. No they will test one module, taken from the 1MW plant. This is what I understand.
Re: [Vo]:Plug-in hybrid Prius announced
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I assume you meant to say Prius whereas Dragon interpreted your dictation as previous. Yup. You gotta watch it. Somehow a $32k price tag along with a whopping 20 km max range does not strike me as terribly impressive. Am I missing something vital here? That's $32,000 in Japan. I do not know why but cars cost more there. It might be cheaper elsewhere. I expect a 20 km range is enough for most people's commuting range in Japan. It might not be enough in the US. The GM volt range is nominally 40 miles (64 mi). Even 10 km would save a lot of gasoline with some niche applications, and for some customers. There are conversion kits for regular Priuses with that range. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Upcoming October 6th test location revealed
This isn't THE October test, Horace. THAT test will be in the US; and, as AR promises, when we know the city, we will know the customer (Redmond, WA? :-) T
Re: [Vo]:H2 and O2 bubbles .15 micrometer burn, damaging electrodes in AC electrolysis -- could complicate cold fusion devices: Rich Murray 2011.09.28
Am 30.09.2011 01:54, schrieb Horace Heffner: NiMH batteries have been tested for excess heat both in forward current and reverse current mode, with null results. To my knowledge no testing for transmutation or occasional high energy radiation has been made. Could you tell sources for this? Please. I did a quick experiment today at work. I used an old NiMH AA cell that was not been charged for some years. It was completely empty. I applied a reverse DC current of 3 Ampere for one minute or so. The voltage at the cell was 3V. This are 9 Watts, but the cell remained cold and the voltage did not change. With 9 Watts it must become warm! So I have now discovered anamolous lack of thermal energy. ;-) I was unable to make a longer experiment, because I dont want an exploding AA cell at work. I intend to make a secure (remote) setup and to do this at home. I found this document, where NASA found excess heat in H-Ni electrolysis. http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19960016952_1996035672.pdf They did, however use platinum as an anode and nickel as a kathode. Also they did not use KOH but K2CO3. They report 1.68 as COP. I ask myself, if this is repeatable, why dont they do their research with this setup and try to improve this? Could it be this document is an april joke that was leaked out? I cannot afford platinum, I hope graphite can also be used instead as a chemical inert electrode. Best regards, Peter.
Re: [Vo]:Plug-in hybrid Prius announced
Hi, On 30-9-2011 19:47, Jed Rothwell wrote: That's $32,000 in Japan. I do not know why but cars cost more there. It might be cheaper elsewhere. I expect a 20 km range is enough for most people's commuting range in Japan. It might not be enough in the US. The GM volt range is nominally 40 miles (64 mi). Even 10 km would save a lot of gasoline with some niche applications, and for some customers. There are conversion kits for regular Priuses with that range. - Jed Well, recently I had an offer for the 100% electric Peugeot iOn for approx. 34,000.00 euro but that is without approx. 4,000.00 euro tax reduction because it is considered an environmental friendly car. According the manufacturer specs. it has lithium-ion batteries with an actieradius of 150 km and top speed of 130 km/h. and can be charged with 220V AC in 6 hours or 380 DC in 30 minutes. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Upcoming October 6th test location revealed
Horace Heffner wrote: Interesting! Thanks for posting that. So the 1 MW E-cat will be tested in Bologna Oct. 6 with Teknik, and Focus information agency, using a heat exchanger. http://www.focus-fen.net/ One unit from it. Not the whole shebang. I guess that should be ~15 kW. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Plug-in hybrid Prius announced
Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Well, recently I had an offer for the 100% electric Peugeot iOn for approx. 34,000.00 euro but that is without approx. 4,000.00 euro tax reduction because it is considered an environmental friendly car. At this stage in the development of the technology, plug in hybrids are a lot more practical than pure electric cars. They have a ~500 mile range after the battery runs out. They also work much better than a first-generation Prius because the battery acts as a much larger buffer. the ones that have been converted with an add-on kit get over 100 mpg, compared to 50 or 60 mpg for an off-the-shelf model. I read that the engineers at GM determined that a plug-in hybrid with a 40 mile battery range is the most efficient design with today's technology. It is better than a pure electric car when you take into account the weight of the batteries needed for a longer range. That is for typical U.S. use. The most efficient design for driving conditions in Europe or Japan may be different. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:H2 and O2 bubbles .15 micrometer burn, damaging electrodes in AC electrolysis -- could complicate cold fusion devices: Rich Murray 2011.09.28
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I found this document, where NASA found excess heat in H-Ni electrolysis. http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/**nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/** 19960016952_1996035672.pdfhttp://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19960016952_1996035672.pdf They did, however use platinum as an anode and nickel as a kathode. I am amazed that I do not have this paper. I don't even recall hearing about it. Ni-CF is a small world. I will add this to the library. Could it be this document is an april joke that was leaked out? NASA does not joke. Especially about cold fusion. - Jed
[Vo]:The faster than light neutrino speed should be determined in a non rotating frame
I made a calculation in an inertial system and found that the CERN-OPERA neutrino speed was by some percent due to the rotation of the Earth around its own axis. Do you agree that the calculation should be made in a non rotating system? By the time CERN sends and OPERA receives the Earth rotation makes OPERA to come a bit closer. How many of you agree or disagree with this? Silvertooth, Bryan G. Wallace, GPS and laser gyroscopes also supports this view. It is not suitable to apply the principle of relativity in a non inertial rotating frame. David David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370
Re: [Vo]:H2 and O2 bubbles .15 micrometer burn, damaging electrodes in AC electrolysis -- could complicate cold fusion devices: Rich Murray 2011.09.28
Am 30.09.2011 21:11, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I found this document, where NASA found excess heat in H-Ni electrolysis. http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19960016952_1996035672.pdf They did, however use platinum as an anode and nickel as a kathode. I am amazed that I do not have this paper. I don't even recall hearing about it. Ni-CF is a small world. I will add this to the library. Could it be this document is an april joke that was leaked out? NASA does not joke. Especially about cold fusion. I found this while reading the italian Focus magazine. http://www.focus.it/scienza/e-cat-e-fusione-fredda-i-misteri-della-nasa-201109131040_C12.aspx Scroll down to the bottom. It might be a rewarding source to find other new stuff, because Italia is very active in LENR research. BTW, when I wrote in my previous posting, I found an anormal lack of thermal energy while applying a reverse current to a NiMH cell, I did not mean this as a joke. It sounds funny, but it is serious. A 10W resistor will become warm after some seconds under full load. The NiMH AA cell, which has similar size did not become warm at 9 Watt for 1 minute. Because energy cannot vanish, this means, there is something (chemical?) going on inside. The energy was stored inside instead being converted to heat. This is absolutely sure. Best, Peter
Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th (NOT)
There's a full statement explanation by Brian Josephson at http://pesn.com/2011/09/26/9501920_NobelPrize_Laureate_to_Test_Cold_Fusion_E-Cat/ Dear Sterling, The article isn't correct actually. What happened was that I received an invitation from Levi giving details of what was planned, including what is quoted in your report. I posted this, preceded by 'I have received this information from Prof. Levi', to a discussion group. Someone with limited comprehension abilities posted the text without the reference to Levi, with the result that it appeared that I myself had written On October 6 we will have the opportunity to make a long ... test, instead of Levi. And the false information spread. I decided not to accept the invitation, mainly because of the time it would take, not just travel but examining the details and writing the report. Hopefully another qualified person will be present but it is too early to be sure about things and I suggest you keep in touch with Levi. ...Who passed on the text as if it was mine initially is unclear. Anyway, I'm afraid in the circumstances radical revision of your web page is needed :-( But thanks for your Sterling (!) work generally! One trusts this test will be able to clear up uncertainties re the E-cat. This will however be dependent to some extent on the expertise of the people involved, and it does not appear that the list of those who have been invited includes experts in calorimetry (which a number of cold fusion researchers are). It has only cosmetic value if distinguished non-experts are observers. Best regards, Brian J.
Re: [Vo]:Upcoming October 6th test location revealed
On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 30.09.2011 19:33, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Sep 30, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, It definitely looks like that the next test will be performed in Bologna. Have a look at this scan here, from Rossi's EPO patent application page: http://goo.gl/3MhxO This is the usual location we've seen many times in images and videos over the last months. It's Rossi's lab in Bologna. I found this information on Passerini's blog here, who confirms that the test will last 24 hours. This time he won't report in real time what will happen during the test, but he will post his story about it at a later time and together with NyTeknik and Focus (an Italian science and technology news magazine): http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/09/fatti-non-parole.html Cheers, S.A. Interesting! Thanks for posting that. So the 1 MW E-cat will be tested in Bologna Oct. 6 with Teknik, and Focus information agency, using a heat exchanger. No they will test one module, taken from the 1MW plant. This is what I understand. Oh, I see the letter to the patent office does indeed say on a module. The google translation of the passi.blogspot article says, Data-based EPO (European Patent Office) has been published ( here ) an invitation to attend the examiner Andrea Rossi, on October 6, to test a 1 MW module plant (!) in the presence several scientists around the world: the test will take place in Bologna and will last 24 hours. I mistakenly assumed a 1 MW module plant (!) to mean a one megawatt module located in a container. The exclamation point is what convinced me. I did not read the letter. Perhaps the explanation point was Passini's. Hmm no, it's the Italian science and technology magazine Focus: http://www.focus.it/ I wonder if other Italian mainstream media that covered this matter during the past months (RAI, Radio24/Il Sole 24 Ore, etc.) will be there too. Thanks for the correction. I was under the mistaken impression the italian Focus was a subsidiary of the Focus information agency (FIA). Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th (NOT)
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: There's a full statement explanation by Brian Josephson at http://pesn.com/2011/09/26/**9501920_NobelPrize_Laureate_** to_Test_Cold_Fusion_E-Cat/http://pesn.com/2011/09/26/9501920_NobelPrize_Laureate_to_Test_Cold_Fusion_E-Cat/ This is very helpful informative. Everyone should read this. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:H2 and O2 bubbles .15 micrometer burn, damaging electrodes in AC electrolysis -- could complicate cold fusion devices: Rich Murray 2011.09.28
I wrote: I am amazed that I do not have this paper. I don't even recall hearing about it. Ni-CF is a small world. Ah wait. I do have this in the database. It was reprinted in infinite energy. I think I will upload the NASA copy because it looks impressive. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The faster than light neutrino speed should be determined in a non rotating frame
On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:16 AM, David Jonsson wrote: I made a calculation in an inertial system and found that the CERN- OPERA neutrino speed was by some percent due to the rotation of the Earth around its own axis. Do you agree that the calculation should be made in a non rotating system? By the time CERN sends and OPERA receives the Earth rotation makes OPERA to come a bit closer. How many of you agree or disagree with this? Silvertooth, Bryan G. Wallace, GPS and laser gyroscopes also supports this view. It is not suitable to apply the principle of relativity in a non inertial rotating frame. David David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370 This hypothesis appears to me to be false. I calculate the motion at latitude of Gran Sasso to be 0.833 m in the 2.435x10^-3 S it takes light to travel the 730 km distance. I estimate the angle to lattitude to CERN to be about 33.6 degrees. This means the path length between CERN and Gran Sasso is elongated by cos(33.5°)*0.833 m = 0.615 m. The anomaly is 18.1 m early arrival. Assuming this was not taken into account by the team (unlikely) then it could only account for a 0.615/18.1 = 3.4% error. I can provide detailed calcs later. I have to go for an MRI and other tests today which may take the rest of the day. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:H-Ni reactions was tested by NASA - why didnt they continue this early research, if it worked?
Am 30.09.2011 21:11, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I found this document, where NASA found excess heat in H-Ni electrolysis. http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19960016952_1996035672.pdf Could it be this document is an april joke that was leaked out? NASA does not joke. Especially about cold fusion. Im not so sure. After carefully studying the paper I found that they unfortunately did not measure the amount of H2 and O2 bubbling out. This would be absolutely necessary. When the electrolysis starts then hydrogen and oxygen will be solved in water instead bubbling out. This is well known from ancient classical chemical experiments using the Hoffmann electrolysis apparat. This will continue until the water is satured with oxygen and hydrogen. Now, they use a stirrer and they have a platinum electrode. It is also well known from classic chemistry , that platinum acts as a catalyst and recombines hydrogen and oxygen, producing heat. They assume that most hydrogen and oxygen was not recombined and this assumption might be wrong. There could be much more recombination than they think. This MUST be measured. (Pons Fleischmann had similar problems) So it would be absolutely necessary to measure the produced H2 and the O2 in order to get evident results. I ask myself if they started to investigate this, why did they only go the half way? This is amateurish or it is incomplete. If this works repeatable and the energy can be reliable proven, then they dont need Rossi and his poprietary secret methods and devices. Peter
Re: [Vo]:H-Ni reactions was tested by NASA - why didnt they continue this early research, if it worked?
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: If this works repeatable and the energy can be reliable proven, then they dont need Rossi and his poprietary secret methods and devices. Assuming the claims made by Rossi and Defkalion are true, they are far better of any previous version of nickel cold fusion (or the Mills effect), including this one. They are better in many ways such as: control, power density, the ability to run without input, and so on. They are better than Piantelli, as far as I know. Perhaps Piantelli has unpublished results rivaling these. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:H-Ni reactions was tested by NASA - why didnt they continue this early research, if it worked?
Am 30.09.2011 23:30, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: If this works repeatable and the energy can be reliable proven, then they dont need Rossi and his poprietary secret methods and devices. Assuming the claims made by Rossi and Defkalion are true, they are far better of any previous version of nickel cold fusion (or the Mills effect), including this one. They are better in many ways such as: control, power density, the ability to run without input, and so on. They are better than Piantelli, as far as I know. Perhaps Piantelli has unpublished results rivaling these. Yes, but this is not what is needed. The Rossi device is inaccessible. An accessible and working device is needed to do LENR research. This is also what the LENR community needs to get scientific acknowledgement and official support. If they have a working and accessible experiment, then they can research this and when the process is scientifically understood, then they can develop something better than Rossi. I do highly doubt that NASA would want to use Rossis e-cats for space rockets. They need something better and they need to understand and to calculate the devices that they use. regards, Peter
Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th (NOT)
As far as I know, the description in PESN is accurate. This is shaping up to be an important test. It may not be definitive, but it will probably be better than the previous tests done by Rossi and Levi. Josephson wrote: It has only cosmetic value if distinguished non-experts are observers. I told that to Rossi several times, and so did Josephson and others. Without an expert it will be somewhat cosmetic, but if the test is conducted as planned, I think it will be pretty good even if only non-experts attend. Especially if they run the machine for hours with no input, as planned. Rossi is unpredictable and it is hard to say whether things will really be done as announced. I believe that Rossi sincerely wants to convince people his device is real. I do not think there is the slightest chance he has illustrated fake device to Krivit or to anyone else. I also think he is not very good at doing tests. The previous tests have been flawed, and unconvincing. For example, even though they used a flowmeter during the 18-hour test in February 2011, they neglected to tell anyone what kind of flowmeter it was, and what it registered in instantaneous and cumulative readings. This is sloppy. It is unprofessional. Based on all that I know about Rossi, and what he has written in his blog and told me, I do not think these shortcomings have been deliberate. This is not Rossi's secret plan to make himself look bad, to fend off the competition with mental jujitsu. This is what it appears to be: sloppy work. These are people who do not bother to write down what sort of flowmeter they use, and who did not bother to keep a log and write down the flowmeter readings every 10 minutes. If you want people to believe your results you should write a properly formatted report listing the make and model of every instrument. I told Rossi that, verbatim, recently. I hope he the others will do that this time. I think Rossi is not good at doing tests experiments. Neither is Arata, yet Arata is indisputably a Class A genius. He is one of the most important and prolific discoverers of the 20th century, in league with Edison. So the ability to do good tests is not necessarily a reliable criterion to judge how smart someone is, or whether a claim is valid. People here should be careful not to judge Rossi by his personality or his ability to do tests and write papers. We tend to assume that very smart people are capable of a wide range of things and especially good at communicating. Many of them are. People such as Storms, Boss, Miles and McKubre are not only superb scientists, they also write excellent papers, and they give crystal clear presentations. Pam Boss in particular is a pleasure to hear. She gets right to the point and tells you everything you need to know, making even complicated results understandable. They were trained to do that, perhaps more rigorously than young scientists are today. It is a shame that Rossi does not communicate well, and that his thought processes and work habits more closely resemble those of an artist or sculptor than a research scientist. That's a shame, but that is who he is. That is the kind of person he is. Some great inventive geniuses in the past were similar. To reject him because he does not fit the pattern of a typical skilled scientist would be throwing away the baby with the bathwater. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:H-Ni reactions was tested by NASA - why didnt they continue this early research, if it worked?
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Yes, but this is not what is needed. The Rossi device is inaccessible. An accessible and working device is needed to do LENR research. Defkalion says they will begin selling commercial quantities of these devices next year. This will make them available to do LENR research. I don't see what your problem is. it is possible that Defkalion is lying but I do not think that likely. We'll find out soon if they are. This is also what the LENR community needs to get scientific acknowledgement and official support. If commercial units are sold we will get more scientific acknowledgment and official support then we could possibly accrue by any other method. Rossi is correct about that. Money talks. Nothing is more convincing than commercial success. Defkalion's plans are by far the best way to ensure the success of cold fusion and garner official support. We have had more than 20 years of convincing experiments published in peer-reviewed journals. Yet they have not swayed the scientific establishment, the mass media, the DoE or the public. Researchers could go on publishing definitive experiments for another 100 years and it would not make any difference. After Defkalion cells a few hundred working reactors I guarantee that every industrial corporation and government on planet Earth will be working frantically on cold fusion. Robert Park and the Scientific American will lose all credibility on this issue. They and the other opponents will no longer be able to block progress. If they have a working and accessible experiment, then they can research this and when the process is scientifically understood, then they can develop something better than Rossi. Rossi will surely develop something better than what he now has. So will thousands of other researchers. Progress will be as swift as it was in the early days of aviation or semiconductors. But before any of this happens we need a triggering event in the best possible triggering event is commercial sales of working reactors. In my opinion, Rossi has wasted some time with his 1 MW reactor project. He has done some sloppy demonstrations and tests. But overall he has worked swiftly to commercialize this technology. He has probably done as good a job as anyone could under the circumstances, and a better job than any other cold fusion researcher. The delays in 2011 -- as frustrating as they are to us -- will not make any difference in the long-term view of history. I do highly doubt that NASA would want to use Rossis e-cats for space rockets. Why wouldn't they? The power and energy density is fantastic. I guarantee that in 20 years there will be no other type of space rocket, or automobile engine or generator . . . or electric pencil sharpener power supply, for that matter. They need something better and they need to understand and to calculate the devices that they use. What will prevent them from understanding this device? hundreds of thousands of people will soon be frantically discovering the nature of this machine. The secrets will not remain hidden for long. - Jed
[Vo]:Ecat.com is about steaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmm
;D http://ecat.com/
Re: [Vo]:Ecat.com is about steaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmm
It says in the end: stay tuned for October 6th. HAHA. I knew it :D
Re: [Vo]:Ecat.com is about steaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Looks like a Sabre Toothed GigaWatt ePussy! I got steam heat . . .
[Vo]:Steorn: New Validation Tests?
I didn't follow the recent discussion of Steorn on vortext. Was this Sept. 14 2011 report from PESN the trigger? Harry Steorn Drops Four Bombshell Documents Validating Orbo The Dublin based, Irish free energy company Steorn, has allowed PESN to view and report on four documents written by third party scientists and engineers that appear to validate the Orbo overunity technology. http://pesn.com/2011/09/14/9501914_Steorn_Drops_Four_Bombshell_Documents_Validating_Orbo/
