Re: [Vo]:A sequel to my post of yesterday]
Dear Integral - or Chang? Thank you, but you have NOT answered my original question that refers to the classic Pd-D cell and to the nanopowder hydogen systems, the questiona nd problem is IF their 3 damned weaknesses are inherent, generated by their very nature. Or not. You are describing your proprietary system, give the data you consider not secret, claim it is working, but do not tell how long and do not give the basic parameters. You have removed the weaknesses- that is admirable and I hope the system will become useful on a great scale. I don't get the role of propane, hope it is not burned. my best technological good wishes to you. Peter On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: More, http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.**htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html Gluck, IF this system is able to remove the three usual weaknesses of the majority of the pre-Rossi LENR systems i.e. low intensity, bad reproducibility and short duration. Peter Systems ok. Weakness only by operator. Easy. 10 Plate Heat Exchanger SS304 Copper Brazed 7.5 x 2.9 from dudadiesel Make nano Ni hexane mix. Put in exchanger. Vac pump dry. Pipe propane bleed through T with spark plug. Buzz ignition plug to make heavy H crystals and black soot. Water 90 C other side of duda gets pressure steam. Easy. Gluck Blog not permit comment. Use SLACKO OS. By, Chung and http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65839.**htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65839.html Axil Axil Sat, 19 May 2012 14:07:54 -0700 I am still of the opinion that Rydberg matter is the key active agent in both the Rossi and DGT reactors. Rydberg matter is one of the numerous examples of topologic materials. Other types are carbon nanotubes, Graphene, transition metal oxides, various superconductor materials…when the list is completely filled out, the number included in the list will run into the tens of thousands. http://physicsworld.com/blog/** 2012/05/how_to_cook-up_a_new_**topologic.htmlhttp://physicsworld.com/blog/2012/05/how_to_cook-up_a_new_topologic.html*How to cook up a new topological insulator* I now believe that Rossi and LeClair each stumbled onto a thermionic based topological material that is not ideal for cold fusion reactor engineering. Carbon nanotubes may be better because their charge control mechanism is based directly on electric simulation rather than thermal stimulation. The good fellows, those carbon based reactor developers who are generous enough to post here at vortex talk of good control of their carbon nanotube based reactors by varying the pulse rate of the spark plug. From Mint Candy: 1. Purchased 60 plate heat exchanger at : http://www.dudadiesel.com/**heat_exchangers.phphttp://www.dudadiesel.com/heat_exchangers.php2. Purchased Ni at : http://www.xuzhounano.com/a/**About/About_Us/http://www.xuzhounano.com/a/About/About_Us/3. Mixed Ni catalyst powder wth Hexane from J. T. Baker 4. Filled one side exchanger with suspension. 5. Evacuated two days ending at 250 C. 6. Followed http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.comhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.comprocedure using Medical Lesion RFG to spark plug. 7. Perfect control using pulse adjustment on RFG and Propane flow. 8. Incredible steam output steady 2 weeks under pressure. 9. Operating at 650C. 10. Must now get patent on catalyst. Note that Mint Candy states as follows: 7. Perfect control using pulse adjustment on RFG and Propane flow. Mint Candy’s reactor design and operating principle has little to do with Rossi’s design…outside of being inspired by it. Mint Candy will have few control headaches compared to Rossi. Cheers: Axil Original Message Subject:[Vo]:A sequel to my post of yesterday Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:10:09 -0500 From: integral.property.service@**gmail.comintegral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.service@**gmail.comintegral.property.serv...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Been there. http://hydride.has.it Warm Regards, Reliable Chemical Engineer Tue, 29 May 2012 11:04:11 -0700 Significant amounts of atomic hydrogen are created by circulating h2 through an electric arc, typically across tungsten electrodes and varying the power input. it makes a bad ass welder due to the heat release when the H associates back to H2 and releases energy. It was discontinued in welding due to the expense of hydrogen. I would think in a closed, fluidized nano reactor the H2 would recirculate back through the electrodes after the H has released it's energy in the lattice/pores/ surface of the dust and re-associated. There should be a sweet spot operating when the heat removed from reactor = heat from association/disassociation (energy from spark plug)+
Re: [Vo]:A sequel to my post of yesterday]
Peter, I will assume the propane is providing the source for the atomic hydrogen as opposed to using H2 gas supply. I will assume the propane breaks down across the spark gap (given enough juice) into atomic hydrogen and carbon (soot). As long as your reactor kernal remains air tight and small volume i will assume you do not blow yourself up. As atomic hydrogen association can create extremely high localized temperatures (3000-5000C) i will assume you have to be very careful not to melt just your powder/core but the reactor walls/chamber itself. I will assume the carbon might dampen this out. This i will assume is one of the reasons why DGT has such a thick reactor block. I will also assume the very high, localized atomic hydrogen association heat release in addition to anomolous heat Is what creates the bright glow and cracked the glass in the DGT unit. If you thought atomic hydrogen welding was bad ass think nuclear welding. I am encouraged using propane because i am already experienced with almost blowing myself up grilling burgers. I will assume i do not know what the hexane is for other than to keep air out and just another H provider. Of course i have made alot of assumptions and you know what happens when you ASSume too much! On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Integral - or Chang? Thank you, but you have NOT answered my original question that refers to the classic Pd-D cell and to the nanopowder hydogen systems, the questiona nd problem is IF their 3 damned weaknesses are inherent, generated by their very nature. Or not. You are describing your proprietary system, give the data you consider not secret, claim it is working, but do not tell how long and do not give the basic parameters. You have removed the weaknesses- that is admirable and I hope the system will become useful on a great scale. I don't get the role of propane, hope it is not burned. my best technological good wishes to you. Peter On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: More, http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.**htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html Gluck, IF this system is able to remove the three usual weaknesses of the majority of the pre-Rossi LENR systems i.e. low intensity, bad reproducibility and short duration. Peter Systems ok. Weakness only by operator. Easy. 10 Plate Heat Exchanger SS304 Copper Brazed 7.5 x 2.9 from dudadiesel Make nano Ni hexane mix. Put in exchanger. Vac pump dry. Pipe propane bleed through T with spark plug. Buzz ignition plug to make heavy H crystals and black soot. Water 90 C other side of duda gets pressure steam. Easy. Gluck Blog not permit comment. Use SLACKO OS. By, Chung and http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65839.**htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65839.html Axil Axil Sat, 19 May 2012 14:07:54 -0700 I am still of the opinion that Rydberg matter is the key active agent in both the Rossi and DGT reactors. Rydberg matter is one of the numerous examples of topologic materials. Other types are carbon nanotubes, Graphene, transition metal oxides, various superconductor materials…when the list is completely filled out, the number included in the list will run into the tens of thousands. http://physicsworld.com/blog/** 2012/05/how_to_cook-up_a_new_**topologic.htmlhttp://physicsworld.com/blog/2012/05/how_to_cook-up_a_new_topologic.html*How to cook up a new topological insulator* I now believe that Rossi and LeClair each stumbled onto a thermionic based topological material that is not ideal for cold fusion reactor engineering. Carbon nanotubes may be better because their charge control mechanism is based directly on electric simulation rather than thermal stimulation. The good fellows, those carbon based reactor developers who are generous enough to post here at vortex talk of good control of their carbon nanotube based reactors by varying the pulse rate of the spark plug. From Mint Candy: 1. Purchased 60 plate heat exchanger at : http://www.dudadiesel.com/**heat_exchangers.phphttp://www.dudadiesel.com/heat_exchangers.php2. Purchased Ni at : http://www.xuzhounano.com/a/**About/About_Us/http://www.xuzhounano.com/a/About/About_Us/3. Mixed Ni catalyst powder wth Hexane from J. T. Baker 4. Filled one side exchanger with suspension. 5. Evacuated two days ending at 250 C. 6. Followed http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.comhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.comprocedure using Medical Lesion RFG to spark plug. 7. Perfect control using pulse adjustment on RFG and Propane flow. 8. Incredible steam output steady 2 weeks under pressure. 9. Operating at 650C. 10. Must now get patent on catalyst. Note that Mint Candy states as follows: 7. Perfect control using pulse adjustment on RFG and Propane flow. Mint Candy’s
Re: [Vo]:A sequel to my post of yesterday]
No en Hexane + Ni powder mix put in duda evaporate make deposit walls inside very good very care no O2 no H2O little propane sent thrrough pipe 4 Ts 4 slpark plug use 4 auto coil with buz control very good very hot big big steam big big pressude 600C easy easy you try CP Chemical Engineer Wed, 30 May 2012 02:14:57 -0700 Peter, I will assume the propane is providing the source for the atomic hydrogen as opposed to using H2 gas supply. I will assume the propane breaks down across the spark gap (given enough juice) into atomic hydrogen and carbon (soot). As long as your reactor kernal remains air tight and small volume i will assume you do not blow yourself up. As atomic hydrogen association can create extremely high localized temperatures (3000-5000C) i will assume you have to be very careful not to melt just your powder/core but the reactor walls/chamber itself. I will assume the carbon might dampen this out. This i will assume is one of the reasons why DGT has such a thick reactor block. I will also assume the very high, localized atomic hydrogen association heat release in addition to anomolous heat Is what creates the bright glow and cracked the glass in the DGT unit. If you thought atomic hydrogen welding was bad ass think nuclear welding. I am encouraged using propane because i am already experienced with almost blowing myself up grilling burgers. I will assume i do not know what the hexane is for other than to keep air out and just another H provider. Of course i have made alot of assumptions and you know what happens when you ASSume too much! On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Integral - or Chang? Thank you, but you have NOT answered my original question that refers to the classic Pd-D cell and to the nanopowder hydogen systems, the questiona nd problem is IF their 3 damned weaknesses are inherent, generated by their very nature. Or not. You are describing your proprietary system, give the data you consider not secret, claim it is working, but do not tell how long and do not give the basic parameters. You have removed the weaknesses- that is admirable and I hope the system will become useful on a great scale. I don't get the role of propane, hope it is not burned. my best technological good wishes to you. Peter On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: More, http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.**htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html Gluck,
Re: [Vo]:A sequel to my post of yesterday]
Cy,
Cool, It's a 4 cylider!
I guess Hexane makes sure there is no moisture or air mixed with the powder
and gets vented
Do you know the gain?
Gain = Energy out: (Very hot big big steam (flow) @ Very big big pressure)
/ Energy in ((4 buzzing spark plug volts current) +propane flow)
If gain =1 i will just continue cooking my hot dogs...
If it is 4 you da man!
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Cy Cle wrote:
No en Hexane + Ni powder mix put in duda evaporatemake
deposit walls inside very good
very care no O2 no H2O little propane sent thrrough pipe 4 Ts 4 slpark
plug use 4 auto coil with buz controlvery goodvery hot big big
steam big big pressude600C easy easyyou try
CP
Chemical Engineer
Wed, 30 May 2012 02:14:57 -0700
Peter, I will assume the propane is providing the source for the atomic
hydrogen as opposed to using H2 gas supply. I will assume the propane breaks
down across the spark gap (given enough juice) into atomic hydrogen and
carbon (soot). As long as your reactor kernal remains air tight and small
volume i will assume you do not blow yourself up. As atomic hydrogen
association can create extremely high localized temperatures (3000-5000C) i
will assume you have to be very careful not to melt just your powder/core but
the reactor walls/chamber itself. I will assume the carbon might dampen this
out. This i will assume is one of the reasons why DGT has such a thick
reactor block. I will also assume the very high, localized atomic hydrogen
association heat release in addition to anomolous heat Is what creates the
bright glow and cracked the glass in the DGT unit. If you thought atomic
hydrogen welding was bad ass think nuclear welding. I am encouraged using
propane because i am already experienced with almost blowing myself up
grilling burgers. I will assume i do not know what the hexane is for other
than to keep air out and just another H provider. Of course i have made alot
of assumptions and you know what happens when you ASSume too much! On
Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Integral - or Chang?
Thank you, but you have NOT answered my original question that refers to
the classic Pd-D cell and to the nanopowder hydogen systems, the questiona
nd problem is IF their 3 damned weaknesses are inherent, generated by their
very nature. Or not. You are describing your proprietary system, give the
data you consider not secret, claim it is working, but do not tell how long
and do not give the basic parameters. You have removed the weaknesses- that
is admirable and I hope the system will become useful on a great scale. I
don't get the role of propane, hope it is not burned. my best
technological good wishes to you. Peter On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:50
PM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'integral.property.serv...@gmail.com');
integral.property.serv...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'integral.property.serv...@gmail.com'); wrote: More,
http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.**htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html
Gluck,
[Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
It is well known amongst the races of the universe that once a civilization has developed cold fusion they lose their protection and become fair game for intergalactic warfare. The extraterrestrial friends of the Maya explained to them that, unless it can be stopped, this is predicted to happen in December 2012. Therefore the friendlies have tried to steer humanity away from discovering the secret of cold fusion, instead giving them gunpowder, steam, fission and helping them to get hot fusion up and running. This is proven by the newly discovered Maya calendars that go way beyond 2012. However many hostile breeds have infiltrated on earth to force the discovery of cold fusion, so that they can then freely usurp the earth unbound by intergalactic code of conduct. Apart from earlier alchemical attempts the biggest coup happened in 1989 and earth almost lost her protection status. Only a tightly orchestrated effort could pull the neck out of the noose, friendlies were put on key positions to effectively halt advancement in any possible way. Based on this theory it is clear that agents of the hostile aliens are amongst the proponents of cold fusion. Unfortunately they seem to be winning the game and an ever increasing number of innocent earthlings take their side in the hope of a bright future. For the love of planet earth and all its inhabitants, denounce cold fusion. It is not humanity's road to freedom, but our road to destruction and annihilation. It is obvious that anyone who ridicules or pokes fun at this theory is a agent of the hostiles, do not listen to them ! Moab
Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
And Rossi is the keymaster... On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Moab Moab wrote: It is well known amongst the races of the universe that once a civilization has developed cold fusion they lose their protection and become fair game for intergalactic warfare. The extraterrestrial friends of the Maya explained to them that, unless it can be stopped, this is predicted to happen in December 2012. Therefore the friendlies have tried to steer humanity away from discovering the secret of cold fusion, instead giving them gunpowder, steam, fission and helping them to get hot fusion up and running. This is proven by the newly discovered Maya calendars that go way beyond 2012. However many hostile breeds have infiltrated on earth to force the discovery of cold fusion, so that they can then freely usurp the earth unbound by intergalactic code of conduct. Apart from earlier alchemical attempts the biggest coup happened in 1989 and earth almost lost her protection status. Only a tightly orchestrated effort could pull the neck out of the noose, friendlies were put on key positions to effectively halt advancement in any possible way. Based on this theory it is clear that agents of the hostile aliens are amongst the proponents of cold fusion. Unfortunately they seem to be winning the game and an ever increasing number of innocent earthlings take their side in the hope of a bright future. For the love of planet earth and all its inhabitants, denounce cold fusion. It is not humanity's road to freedom, but our road to destruction and annihilation. It is obvious that anyone who ridicules or pokes fun at this theory is a agent of the hostiles, do not listen to them ! Moab
Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
I think you should develop more you story. It has a decent premise, I think. 2012/5/30 Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com It is well known amongst the races of the universe that once a civilization has developed cold fusion they lose their protection and become fair game for intergalactic warfare. The extraterrestrial friends of the Maya explained to them that, unless it can be stopped, this is predicted to happen in December 2012. Therefore the friendlies have tried to steer humanity away from discovering the secret of cold fusion, instead giving them gunpowder, steam, fission and helping them to get hot fusion up and running. This is proven by the newly discovered Maya calendars that go way beyond 2012. However many hostile breeds have infiltrated on earth to force the discovery of cold fusion, so that they can then freely usurp the earth unbound by intergalactic code of conduct. Apart from earlier alchemical attempts the biggest coup happened in 1989 and earth almost lost her protection status. Only a tightly orchestrated effort could pull the neck out of the noose, friendlies were put on key positions to effectively halt advancement in any possible way. Based on this theory it is clear that agents of the hostile aliens are amongst the proponents of cold fusion. Unfortunately they seem to be winning the game and an ever increasing number of innocent earthlings take their side in the hope of a bright future. For the love of planet earth and all its inhabitants, denounce cold fusion. It is not humanity's road to freedom, but our road to destruction and annihilation. It is obvious that anyone who ridicules or pokes fun at this theory is a agent of the hostiles, do not listen to them ! Moab -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
Moab sez: ... For the love of planet earth and all its inhabitants, denounce cold fusion. It is not humanity's road to freedom, but our road to destruction and annihilation. It is obvious that anyone who ridicules or pokes fun at this theory is a agent of the hostiles, do not listen to them! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
I think you should develop more you story. It has a decent premise, I think. It reminds me of the scifi story about the benign aliens who own earth but have kept to a hands-off policy all these millennia. Because of a shakeup in galactic politics, they sell earth to a coalition which believes in making your property work for you. I think the story was called 'Sold Down the River'.
Re: [Vo]:A sequel to my post of yesterday]
What happens when you ASSume too much? It is simple, then the best logic cannot save you from failures and disasters. Read please the part about LOGICAL THINKING in my classic writing http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/03/modes-of-thinking-my-taxonomy.html The assumptions decide all. It is a great pleasure to speculate, I cannot afford this pleasure. Peter On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Peter, I will assume the propane is providing the source for the atomic hydrogen as opposed to using H2 gas supply. I will assume the propane breaks down across the spark gap (given enough juice) into atomic hydrogen and carbon (soot). As long as your reactor kernal remains air tight and small volume i will assume you do not blow yourself up. As atomic hydrogen association can create extremely high localized temperatures (3000-5000C) i will assume you have to be very careful not to melt just your powder/core but the reactor walls/chamber itself. I will assume the carbon might dampen this out. This i will assume is one of the reasons why DGT has such a thick reactor block. I will also assume the very high, localized atomic hydrogen association heat release in addition to anomolous heat Is what creates the bright glow and cracked the glass in the DGT unit. If you thought atomic hydrogen welding was bad ass think nuclear welding. I am encouraged using propane because i am already experienced with almost blowing myself up grilling burgers. I will assume i do not know what the hexane is for other than to keep air out and just another H provider. Of course i have made alot of assumptions and you know what happens when you ASSume too much! On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Integral - or Chang? Thank you, but you have NOT answered my original question that refers to the classic Pd-D cell and to the nanopowder hydogen systems, the questiona nd problem is IF their 3 damned weaknesses are inherent, generated by their very nature. Or not. You are describing your proprietary system, give the data you consider not secret, claim it is working, but do not tell how long and do not give the basic parameters. You have removed the weaknesses- that is admirable and I hope the system will become useful on a great scale. I don't get the role of propane, hope it is not burned. my best technological good wishes to you. Peter On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: More, http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.**htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html Gluck, IF this system is able to remove the three usual weaknesses of the majority of the pre-Rossi LENR systems i.e. low intensity, bad reproducibility and short duration. Peter Systems ok. Weakness only by operator. Easy. 10 Plate Heat Exchanger SS304 Copper Brazed 7.5 x 2.9 from dudadiesel Make nano Ni hexane mix. Put in exchanger. Vac pump dry. Pipe propane bleed through T with spark plug. Buzz ignition plug to make heavy H crystals and black soot. Water 90 C other side of duda gets pressure steam. Easy. Gluck Blog not permit comment. Use SLACKO OS. By, Chung and http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65839.**htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65839.html Axil Axil Sat, 19 May 2012 14:07:54 -0700 I am still of the opinion that Rydberg matter is the key active agent in both the Rossi and DGT reactors. Rydberg matter is one of the numerous examples of topologic materials. Other types are carbon nanotubes, Graphene, transition metal oxides, various superconductor materials…when the list is completely filled out, the number included in the list will run into the tens of thousands. http://physicsworld.com/blog/** 2012/05/how_to_cook-up_a_new_**topologic.htmlhttp://physicsworld.com/blog/2012/05/how_to_cook-up_a_new_topologic.html*How to cook up a new topological insulator* I now believe that Rossi and LeClair each stumbled onto a thermionic based topological material that is not ideal for cold fusion reactor engineering. Carbon nanotubes may be better because their charge control mechanism is based directly on electric simulation rather than thermal stimulation. The good fellows, those carbon based reactor developers who are generous enough to post here at vortex talk of good control of their carbon nanotube based reactors by varying the pulse rate of the spark plug. From Mint Candy: 1. Purchased 60 plate heat exchanger at : http://www.dudadiesel.com/**heat_exchangers.phphttp://www.dudadiesel.com/heat_exchangers.php2. Purchased Ni at : http://www.xuzhounano.com/a/**About/About_Us/http://www.xuzhounano.com/a/About/About_Us/3. Mixed Ni catalyst powder wth Hexane from J. T. Baker 4. Filled one side exchanger with suspension. 5. Evacuated two days ending at 250 C. 6. Followed
Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
Good write it and publish. Did you read the sci-fi about the dogs. The aliens were coming from the future, attacking, and men were afraid. Then everyone noticed that the aliens were only shooting at the dogs. Poof! Dog gone! The dogs were then hidden in underground caves to protect them. If was rough in the caves and dogs had to be smart to survive. The dogs evolved and got very smart. When they emerged they saved the earth and defeated the aliens. Good reading by all accounts. I'll will wait for your book. Frank Z -Original Message- From: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory I think you should develop more you story. It has a decent premise, I think. It reminds me of the scifi story about the benign aliens who own earth but have kept to a hands-off policy all these millennia. Because of a shakeup in galactic politics, they sell earth to a coalition which believes in making your property work for you. I think the story was called 'Sold Down the River'.
Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
Nothing shocks me since Richard Dawkins admitted he was agnostic: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105834/Career-atheist-Richard-Dawkins-admits-fact-agnostic.html T
Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
Terry Blanton wrote: Nothing shocks me since Richard Dawkins admitted he was agnostic: Oh come now. He has been saying that for years. The same words are in his book. This reporter should check her facts. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: Nothing shocks me since Richard Dawkins admitted he was agnostic: Oh come now. He has been saying that for years. The same words are in his book. This reporter should check her facts. I admit I haven't read his book. I read all of his good friend's books, Douglas Adams'. At least Dawkins is not a militant agnostic: I don't know and NEITHER DO YOU!! T
[Vo]:On Topic LENR
Interesting site about sauce. http://nano.clanteam.com/ Quickly
Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980
Actually, looking at my copy of Excess Heat by Beaudette, chapter The Enigma of Discovery you didn't even catch me on a technicality and my memory of the passage was correct: His early attempt at the experiment was abandoned before it was begun for lack of time and attention. After 1983, Fleischmann once again had the opportunity to try it in his pretense of retirement. Note, the use of pretense here is directly supportive of my thesis as he was, in actual point of fact, not being supported in his cold fusion work by the institutions which you defend. Indeed, Fleischmann's doctoral thesis-led pursuit of cold fusion was directly inhibited by the career pressures of institutional science and proceeded only once he was freed of those pressures. However, let's not get off topic here with a single anecdote no matter how particularly of interest to us it may be. You bring up other exemplars such as the transistor and the Internet both of which I have some direct knowledge: Bardeen, in a lecture given at Altgelt Hall at the University of Illinoishttp://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=100290cid=8549664while concerned that it might be one of his last chances to set the record straight due to his failing health, talked about the need to actually hide their work on the transistor from Bell Labs management, including Shockley. In other words, they synthesized independence to get the transistor done. Having said that, Bell Labs was never as much of a nightmare as the government-funded establishment. On the Internet you've REALLY gone and shot yourself in the foot. David P. Reed, widely regarded as the intellectual father of the Internet, was actually approached by a private company, Viewdata Corporation of America (an offshoot of Knight Ridder News) in 1982 with a proposal to set an industry standard that would have used 64 bit object identifiers with distributed hash routing tables (made practical in the initial years by temporary association of the upper 32 bits embodying a bit-reversed serial number of the host-of-origin of the object), relying on MAC addresses for the physical routing. Instead, we ended up with the nightmare of URLs. There was also a proposed migration path to include Reed's own distributed atomic action (more recently implemented in Alan Kay's Squeak-based Croquet virtual world as teatime) as part of the industry standard. Contemporaneous companies such as Atari and Packet Cable (founded by Paul Baran) were on board. When Viewdata Corporation failed, their architect, still pursuing the advanced communication protocol, tried to set up business in San Diego using the newly marketed IBM PC as the host system -- targeting consumer email and instant messaging in the greater San Diego area. His competitor in San Diego then received free internet services from Milnet and was able to stomp out the last ray of hope for a more rational internet protocol. However, all the anecdotal evidence in the world is worthless against the argument correlation doesn't imply causation since each anecdote is merely a data point in a correlation. What is really needed to resolve these questions, which are really questions of sociology, is a radical reform in the way we view polityhttp://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2009/07/secession-from-slavery-to-free.html. Otherwise we are utterly confounded by the lack of experimental controls. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: You caught me in a technicality, Jed. The distinction between retirement and tenure, especially in Fleischmann's case, is specious . . . It is not specious. He was doing cold fusion when he was still an acting professor. He did not do experiments because he never did them himself. He was not good in the lab. He always collaborated with a hands-on person, Pons in this case. Whether it is independence that is the foundation of scientific revolutions, or the guidance of our esteemed institutions. Both. In many case such as aviation, independent researchers brought forth the technology. In the case of the Internet, Uncle Sam did it all. That was developed by civil servants on the government payroll. Transistors were the product of Bell Labs, one of the most esteemed mainstream institutions in history. Bell Labs also invented most other important telecom technology. Many other important breakthroughs such as lasers were developed independently but with government money. Most cold fusion breakthroughs are in this category: independent, but paid for mainly by governments. The project at U. Missouri, for example, is being paid for with private money, but the lab facilities and much of the funding is from U. Mo.'s incubator funding. It would never have happened if the state had not taken the initiative, under Duncan's leadership. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Spark plugs... thoughts and how-to?
A quick followup on spark plugs.. I think I found what I was looking for.. A small, cheap, and simple spark gap igniter that takes 5V and produces 1/2 sparks. Less than $20 shipped. http://www.sparkfun.com/products/11218 Skip to 10:45 on the video to see it working. Would be strong enough to drive two spark plugs.. Thoughts? - Brad
Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory
In my brand of agnosticism you can't even assign a probability as he does. Harry On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: Nothing shocks me since Richard Dawkins admitted he was agnostic: Oh come now. He has been saying that for years. The same words are in his book. This reporter should check her facts. I admit I haven't read his book. I read all of his good friend's books, Douglas Adams'. At least Dawkins is not a militant agnostic: I don't know and NEITHER DO YOU!! T
Re: [Vo]:On Topic LENR
The link at the top of that page has some interesting references.. but on my browser they show up very small.. pasting here for reference: A Hydride Anion Trapped In Carbon NanoCone In the presence of nanonickel the hydride expels a neutron into the nickel nucleus resulting in an unstable isotope yielding copper and energy. References to study: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.0284v1.pdf http://www.ife.no/departments/physics/projects/Nanofluids http://www.buildecat.com/blog_detail/the-chan-formula-4.html http://xuzhounano.en.made-in-china.com/product/neEmcCjYaXhx/China-70nm-Nickel-Nanoparticle-28NP-HW-.html http://www.ecatplanet.net/showthread.php?100-Chan-Method-of-Ni-H-fusion http://www.buildecat.com/article_detail/brian-ahern-and-nano-magnetism-3.html http://www.buildecat.com/blog_detail/chan-formula-update-ii-plus-17.html http://www.buildecat.com/blogcat/7/chan-method/ http://www.buildecat.com/blog_detail/phen-formula-19.html http://www.springerlink.com/content/u6501hk64825j313/ http://hydride.has.it/ http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0608229v1.pdf http://www.santilli-foundation.org/santilli-scientific-discoveries.html http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=338cpage=1 http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg66221.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65871.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65904.html http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14356007.n05_n06/pdf http://www.mse.ncsu.edu/CompMatSci/pdf/full3.pdf http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65876.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64367.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62495.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64362.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65680.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59143.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65702.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64982.html
Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: His early attempt at the experiment was abandoned before it was begun for lack of time and attention. His own attention. He was busy with other things. Bardeen, in a lecture given at Altgelt Hall at the University of Illinoishttp://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=100290cid=8549664while concerned that it might be one of his last chances to set the record straight due to his failing health, talked about the need to actually hide their work on the transistor from Bell Labs management, including Shockley. The account is garbled. The rolling cart was, indeed, to hide research from Shockley, but that was in 1949 after the initial discovery. By that time there was a full-scale project underway to develop the transistor. The work they were hiding was Teal's, who was testing an approach Shockley did not approve of. See the excerpts in Crystal Fire here: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJtransistor.pdf Shockley was like that. He made similar blockheaded mistakes after he left Bell Labs opened up his own small lab. In other words, this can happen in a big lab or a small lab. Anytime there is more than one person working on a project there will be disagreements of this nature. They could not have made the initial breakthroughs in 1948 without Shockley's help. David P. Reed, widely regarded as the intellectual father of the Internet, was actually approached by a private company, Viewdata Corporation of America (an offshoot of Knight Ridder News) in 1982 with a proposal to set an industry standard that would have used 64 bit object identifiers with distributed hash routing tables . . . The Internet was developed in 1969 by ARPA (later DAPRA). Perhaps it was not optimum in retrospect, but no technology ever is. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Spark plugs... thoughts and how-to?
Check out he pashen discharge curves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paschen_Curves.PNG and you will see that spark length is heavily dependent on the gas composition and pressure. higher pressure means shorter spark at same voltage, you won't get a 12mm spark in high pressure H2 Discharging through 2 spark plugs in parallel will not work either as the resistance drops massively as soon as a plasma channel forms diverting all current to one spark plug or other but not both. Connecting the sparkplugs in series might work but the driving circuit won't handle it as the reactor will need to be at a voltage half way between the two outputs from the sparking circuit. Unless you have a lot of additional complications with high voltage isolation capable floating power supplies. However powering the circuit with a well insulated battery might work. On 30 May 2012 19:25, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: A quick followup on spark plugs.. I think I found what I was looking for.. A small, cheap, and simple spark gap igniter that takes 5V and produces 1/2 sparks. Less than $20 shipped. http://www.sparkfun.com/products/11218 Skip to 10:45 on the video to see it working. Would be strong enough to drive two spark plugs.. Thoughts? - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Spark plugs... thoughts and how-to?
*…you will see that spark length is heavily dependent on the gas composition and pressure. Higher pressure means shorter spark at same voltage, you won't get a 12mm spark in high pressure H2* This is a good observation. The situation gets more complicated when dust is suspended in the gas. The dust will also slow down and deenergize the electrons as the electrons collide with the gas and the dust. Such collisions reduce the electron's energy making it more difficult for these electrons to ionize a molecule. Energy losses from a greater number of collisions require larger voltages for the electrons to accumulate sufficient energy to ionize all of the hydrogen atoms required to produce a plasma channel caused by an avalanche breakdown. Ions streaming past a dust particle exert a force on the dust by scattering of the ions in the electric field of the dust or by collection on the dust surface. In plasma discharge there always is a persistent ion stream either due to ambipolar diffusion in the plasma bulk or due to the electric fields in the plasma sheath. This ion drag force is one of the major forces on dust particles. It is understood qualitatively, but a complete quantitative description is still missing due to the complexity of the involved processes. The ions which arrive at the particle not only contribute to ion charging of the dust, but also transfer their momentum to the dust and thus exert the collection force on the dust. The bottom line: You can’t have enough voltage. Cheers: Axil On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Check out he pashen discharge curves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paschen_Curves.PNG and you will see that spark length is heavily dependent on the gas composition and pressure. higher pressure means shorter spark at same voltage, you won't get a 12mm spark in high pressure H2 Discharging through 2 spark plugs in parallel will not work either as the resistance drops massively as soon as a plasma channel forms diverting all current to one spark plug or other but not both. Connecting the sparkplugs in series might work but the driving circuit won't handle it as the reactor will need to be at a voltage half way between the two outputs from the sparking circuit. Unless you have a lot of additional complications with high voltage isolation capable floating power supplies. However powering the circuit with a well insulated battery might work. On 30 May 2012 19:25, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: A quick followup on spark plugs.. I think I found what I was looking for.. A small, cheap, and simple spark gap igniter that takes 5V and produces 1/2 sparks. Less than $20 shipped. http://www.sparkfun.com/products/11218 Skip to 10:45 on the video to see it working. Would be strong enough to drive two spark plugs.. Thoughts? - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Spark plugs... thoughts and how-to?
*Discharging through 2 spark plugs in parallel will not work either as the resistance drops massively as soon as a plasma channel forms diverting all current to one spark plug or other but not both.* In dusty plasma, it may take some time for the electrical resistance of the plasma to drop to the level needed to disable the second spark plug. When the dust is nano-sized, it takes a long time to charge these small sized dust particles to a high enough level to effectively reduce resistance throughout the plasma. Additional plugs might be needed to start the reaction in a rapid time frame. After the plasma has reached equilibrium the addition plug might not be needed. Cheers: Axil On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Check out he pashen discharge curves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paschen_Curves.PNG and you will see that spark length is heavily dependent on the gas composition and pressure. higher pressure means shorter spark at same voltage, you won't get a 12mm spark in high pressure H2 Discharging through 2 spark plugs in parallel will not work either as the resistance drops massively as soon as a plasma channel forms diverting all current to one spark plug or other but not both. Connecting the sparkplugs in series might work but the driving circuit won't handle it as the reactor will need to be at a voltage half way between the two outputs from the sparking circuit. Unless you have a lot of additional complications with high voltage isolation capable floating power supplies. However powering the circuit with a well insulated battery might work. On 30 May 2012 19:25, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: A quick followup on spark plugs.. I think I found what I was looking for.. A small, cheap, and simple spark gap igniter that takes 5V and produces 1/2 sparks. Less than $20 shipped. http://www.sparkfun.com/products/11218 Skip to 10:45 on the video to see it working. Would be strong enough to drive two spark plugs.. Thoughts? - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Spark plugs... thoughts and how-to?
Actually maybe you can have too much voltage. I suspect it may be more power efficient to maintain a continuous plasma channel with much lower voltages than to produce a succession of high voltage sparks. Once a plasma channel is established it can be maintained with lower voltage and more efficient AC power supplies. Take TIG welding with high voltage startup as a practical example of this. Or perhaps a Jacobs Ladder. On 30 May 2012 21:28, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *Discharging through 2 spark plugs in parallel will not work either as the resistance drops massively as soon as a plasma channel forms diverting all current to one spark plug or other but not both.* In dusty plasma, it may take some time for the electrical resistance of the plasma to drop to the level needed to disable the second spark plug. When the dust is nano-sized, it takes a long time to charge these small sized dust particles to a high enough level to effectively reduce resistance throughout the plasma. Additional plugs might be needed to start the reaction in a rapid time frame. After the plasma has reached equilibrium the addition plug might not be needed. Cheers: Axil On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Check out he pashen discharge curves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paschen_Curves.PNG and you will see that spark length is heavily dependent on the gas composition and pressure. higher pressure means shorter spark at same voltage, you won't get a 12mm spark in high pressure H2 Discharging through 2 spark plugs in parallel will not work either as the resistance drops massively as soon as a plasma channel forms diverting all current to one spark plug or other but not both. Connecting the sparkplugs in series might work but the driving circuit won't handle it as the reactor will need to be at a voltage half way between the two outputs from the sparking circuit. Unless you have a lot of additional complications with high voltage isolation capable floating power supplies. However powering the circuit with a well insulated battery might work. On 30 May 2012 19:25, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: A quick followup on spark plugs.. I think I found what I was looking for.. A small, cheap, and simple spark gap igniter that takes 5V and produces 1/2 sparks. Less than $20 shipped. http://www.sparkfun.com/products/11218 Skip to 10:45 on the video to see it working. Would be strong enough to drive two spark plugs.. Thoughts? - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Spark plugs... thoughts and how-to?
I think it might be interesting to take a page out of the playbook of Robert Godes from Brillouin Energy. He uses a very high voltage nanosecond pulse that would melt the wire if it were any longer. The pulse is over before the wire has a chance to heat up. The same might be true for nano powder. There is an interesting article out today about extremely powerful but short laser pulses exciting Graphene. http://phys.org/news/2012-05-properties-carbon-material-graphene.html Researchers find new properties of the carbon material graphene A short laser pulse inverts the electron population of Graphene from low energy to high energy with energy gain. How this can happen is a mystery to me. Where does the energy gain come from? Nanotubes are just rolled up Graphene so the same thing should happen in nanotubes. Cheers: Axil On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Actually maybe you can have too much voltage. I suspect it may be more power efficient to maintain a continuous plasma channel with much lower voltages than to produce a succession of high voltage sparks. Once a plasma channel is established it can be maintained with lower voltage and more efficient AC power supplies. Take TIG welding with high voltage startup as a practical example of this. Or perhaps a Jacobs Ladder. On 30 May 2012 21:28, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *Discharging through 2 spark plugs in parallel will not work either as the resistance drops massively as soon as a plasma channel forms diverting all current to one spark plug or other but not both.* In dusty plasma, it may take some time for the electrical resistance of the plasma to drop to the level needed to disable the second spark plug. When the dust is nano-sized, it takes a long time to charge these small sized dust particles to a high enough level to effectively reduce resistance throughout the plasma. Additional plugs might be needed to start the reaction in a rapid time frame. After the plasma has reached equilibrium the addition plug might not be needed. Cheers: Axil On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Check out he pashen discharge curves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paschen_Curves.PNG and you will see that spark length is heavily dependent on the gas composition and pressure. higher pressure means shorter spark at same voltage, you won't get a 12mm spark in high pressure H2 Discharging through 2 spark plugs in parallel will not work either as the resistance drops massively as soon as a plasma channel forms diverting all current to one spark plug or other but not both. Connecting the sparkplugs in series might work but the driving circuit won't handle it as the reactor will need to be at a voltage half way between the two outputs from the sparking circuit. Unless you have a lot of additional complications with high voltage isolation capable floating power supplies. However powering the circuit with a well insulated battery might work. On 30 May 2012 19:25, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: A quick followup on spark plugs.. I think I found what I was looking for.. A small, cheap, and simple spark gap igniter that takes 5V and produces 1/2 sparks. Less than $20 shipped. http://www.sparkfun.com/products/11218 Skip to 10:45 on the video to see it working. Would be strong enough to drive two spark plugs.. Thoughts? - Brad
