date:20120927


At 08:07 AM 9/27/2012, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

Yes finally! Its:

Proof of the either vortex!
Proof that the hydrino is real!
and it proves the validity of the Larson Widom theory!


Finally someone recognizes truth when they see it.

CF believers claim that the pyramid power is produced by nuclear 
fusion, but that's obviously impossible, due to the Cullowemb 
Bareyer. The advanced alien technology uses surface-active plasmons 
to create ultra-low momentum neutrons which then induce a series of 
transmutations to blow away the pebbles. You can see it from the 
roughness of the pyramid surface, that is by design.


But watch, the believers will prevent announcement of this important 
information, they control the scientific journals and will not allow 
this heresy, which threatens their comfortable theories.


Just wait until the aliens come to retrieve their device!

I wouldn't be suprised if the rover disappears when it touches the 
pyramid. You saw it here first.


Mysterious malfunction, my ***!

[Vo]:Omen (of a New Age of Energy)

2012-09-27 Thread Jones Beene

This is a message from the Cosmos… 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2209293/Comet-brighter-moon-
fly-Earth-2013.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

… and it will coincide with the first public demonstration of a self-
powering “nanomagnetic” machine…

I’m using “nanomagnetic” instead of LENR or Ni-H … since it best
describes the salient feature of the new hydrogen energy technique - where
the driving force is “magnons.” Magnons are derived from the P+P reaction
(via QCD) in cavity confinement.

A magnon is a quantized “spin wave” and a quasiparticle produced in
Quantum Color Dynamics by the interaction of the strong force on the
diproton (Helium-2 nucleus) during reversible proton fusion. 

A magnon carries a fixed amount of energy and lattice momentum but it
requires a ferromagnetic target in the lattice in order to see the thermal
effect. It possesses a spin of ħ (where ħ is the reduced Planck constant)
which is its approximate energy content. Thus we need sequential very rapid
reversible fusion or “quasi-fusion” to produce net energy at the expense
of “average proton mass”.

Comets have always been seen as “messengers” and this one will be no
exception.

Jones

attachment: winmail.dat

Re: [Vo]:Godes patent application - apparent confusion over anode vs. cathode

At 11:54 PM 9/26/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
I'm looking at the Godes/Brillouin patent application:
http://www.google.com/patents/US20110122984?hl=enhttp://www.google.com/patents/US20110122984?hl=en

In figure 3C, the circuit diagram of the drive circuitry, there are
effectively three outputs at right: the two connection points
labeled J1-1 and J1-2, and the bulb-shaped object that is
dual-labeled Cathode and F04 at right center. Then in paragraph
0045 of the text, we read: The center tap on the secondary of
transformer T8 attached to the cathode [...] of the loading current source.

But in Figure 9, we see three connections from the controller to the
beaker on the left (the fourth line to the left beaker is a sensor).
Two of the controller connections run to the object labeled
Cathode in the beaker, one to the Anode. It's tempting to assume
the paired connections to the Cathode correspond to J1-1 and J1-2
in figure 3C, so the other connection to Anode in Figure 9 must be
the bulb shaped object which is unfortunately labeled Cathode in 3C.

Thinking about this, I think that Figure 9 is correct. Figure 3C and
paragraph 0045 are in error; the bulb-shaped object in 3C should be
labeled Anode. Here's why:

1) Looking back at the circuit diagram 3C, it makes sense for the
reactant loading pulse to run to the anode. In other words,
instead of an ordinary continuous DC electrolytic cell, Godes is
pulsing the current to the anode. By controlling pulse width and
frequency, he can control the rate of the electrolysis reaction.

2) J1-1 and J1-2, on the other hand, run to the ends of the taps on
the transformer. I believe the drive circuitry at lower left,
combined with the caps C2 and C5, form a differentiator: the circuit
generates short, powerful spikes across the primary of T8 as the big
power FETs at lower left switch on and off. These spikes (the Q
pulses) couple across the isolation transformer T8 and look like
AC to the core since the are referenced to the sort of virtual
ground formed by the center tap of T8.

Thoughts?

Okay, the patent schematics are not designed for ease of interpretation.

Figure 3C does not show the loading current source as such. The
loading current will be through the cathode and anode. However, all
loading current passes through a series resistor, R3, nd is monitored
by P7 and P8, which are labelled Monitor Reactor Loading Current.
It looks like loading current is supplied by J1-1 and J1-2. The
Quantum Compression Current, as a drop across R2, and is monitored
through P9 and P10.

Yes, the QCC is AC, injected through transformer T8.

No, it is highly likely that the cathode is the electrochemical
cathode, the core (15) in figure 3A, the cathode in Fig. 9.

The loading current power supply is shown schematically in Fig. 3A as
20, Current Source. The cathode has two leads, one to each end of
it. The Current Source is controlled to provide the loading current.
Per convention, the arrow shows the direction of current flow, the
current flows into the electrochemical anode, per the current
direction convention. The current source provides a controllable DC
current, this is the loading current.

Jeff, I think, has misinterpreted the diagram. I don't blame him.
It's confusing. The loading current is provided by a constant current
power supply, the current source. Transformer(s) are used to inject
an AC signal on top of that current.

This *is*, very likely, an ordinary continuous DC electroytic cell,
as to loading, with the continuous current controlled, as is normal,
through a constant current power supply. That is the circle with the
arrow in Fig. 3A. However, it is indicated in Fig. 3A that loading is
also pulsed. I.e., the constant current power supply is controlled to
create pulses of current.

Re: [Vo]:Martian Pyramid

2012-09-27 Thread Sverre Haslund

It does not resemble a dildo, but obviously this is the Rapid Offensive
Unit 'Harmful Intentions' clearing the immediate area of nanite residue.
The lower right part of the spacecraft clearly shows damage resulting from
an antimatter explosion.

Sverre Haslund

2012/9/27 fznidar...@aol.com

 Yes finally! Its:

 Proof of the either vortex!
 Proof that the hydrino is real!
 and it proves the validity of the Larson Widom theory!

Re: [Vo]:Free Energy for All Mankind (Almost)


At 08:57 PM 9/26/2012, Terry Blanton wrote:

H,L  S

http://i.imgur.com/X7d8m.png

:-)


Well, I did think, immediately, on seeing the announcement web site, 
that this was a total trolling. However, Mr. Hardcastle has been 
around since at least 2008, with his Maxwell's Demons.


If he's trolling, he's putting a lot of work into it.

There can be long-term trolls. I wonder if a Philip Hardcastle is 
actually going to show up in San Francisco. And what kind of hat will he wear?


I do not recommend taking a checkbook to the meeting. Fantastic 
opportunity can be fantastic, all right.


However, if supplied devices actually work, under independent test, 
and not just at his say-so, ... everything changes, it all 
rearranges, just do what you think you should do. -- Bob Dylan, Ramona.


Previously, test results, such as were reported, were about picoamps 
of anomalous current. You can bust the needle on a picoammeter by 
looking cross-eyed at it. So to speak.


Ah, times do change. There are going to be young people who ask, 
needle? What's that? What does a needle have to do with a meter? 
The probes?

Re: [Vo]:Martian Pyramid

Does anyone know where LORENHEYER lives? Could they check on him? He
might be ill, because of the drastic personality change being shown.
I did look back at his contributions to this list.

His pyramids are really just natural odd or rare rock formations is
totally out of character. The first paragraph is more like it, the
highly advanced civilizations thing. Maybe, in the middle of
writing his post, the men in black got to him with their secret
brainwashing device, because we just can't have people talking about
the secret antigravity device. The keylogger on his computer sent out
a notice for this character sequence and immediately notified them,
and someone hit the emergency override and out went the brain control signal.

Bzzzt! ... really just natural odd or rare rock formations

Agent 23971: The brain freeze on LORENEHEYER seems to have slipped,
up the current. Yeah. Working now. Coffee later?

After all, from March 10, 2011:

Yeah, its the communist way or the Hi-way for America. Don't worry tho,
because the day is approaching when your kind pay the ultimate price for
letting this country be turned into a Dictator Ruled
enslaved hellhole. Good

riddens.

One puzzle: what is this riddens thing? And why is it good? How
many riddens does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

So many questions, so little time.

You are getting sleepy, sleepy. Yes, sleepy. You will forget this
entire interchange, and you will wake up refreshed and ready to go
back to work.

At 08:37 PM 9/26/2012, lorenhe...@aol.com wrote:

Yes, microorganisms have been building not only pyramids for countless
billions of years, but many other various shaped structures as well.
Pt...

highly advanced civilizations are building pyramids thruout the planets
and/or their moons in our star system, because, they're trying to
make everyone

on earth think the egyptians have long since made tremendous progress with
their technology you know, the kind that levitates giant stones via a
secret antigravity
device.

Pyramids are really just
natural odd or rare rock formations odd or rare that become exposed over
time as the wind blows away the surrounding dirt or dust.

Tiny pyramid discovered on Mars...

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/storm_watch_stories3stormfile=Curiosity_discovers_martian_pyrmaid_21_09_2012

therefore Martians are tiny.

Harry
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[Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

2012-09-27 Thread Terry Blanton

This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast,
Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied.
Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet
operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat
operation against what we are told is a “highly unfriendly
extra-terrestrial threat.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/17/ufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco/

more

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites


Replicators :

I plan to hold my 2 nickels vertically, and only partly immersed in 
the Borax (so that all connections are above the fluid).



How far apart should they be?

I saw elsewhere that all Australian silver coins are also 
nickel-copper :(maybe swedish, too) : A big coin would be easier to 
connect than a nickel.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites


At 11:17 AM 9/27/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
I saw elsewhere that all Australian silver coins are also 
nickel-copper :(maybe swedish, too) : A big coin would be easier to 
connect than a nickel.


US 10c : 21 mm diameter
AUS 20c : 28mm
SW 1KR : 25mm

I think I'll stop by a coin dealer and see if they have any AUS 20c's

My power supply just arrived.

Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

A remarkable claim.

What is this supposed to be? Fiction? Seriously, does someone believe this,
or is it a parody, like The Onion?

- Jed

[Vo]:FYI: article on Majorana particles...

2012-09-27 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint

FYI:

 

Signature of long-sought particle that could revolutionize quantum computing

http://phys.org/news/2012-09-signature-long-sought-particle-revolutionize-qu
antum.html#nwlt

 

A Purdue University physicist has observed evidence of long-sought Majorana
fermions..

 

-mark iverson

[Vo]:Energetics Technologies is still at U. Missouri, sort of

I was somewhat misinformed about the status of the Energetics Technology
collaboration with U. Missouri's cold fusion project at the Sidney Kimmel
Institute for Nuclear Renaissance (SKINR).

Rob Duncan explained to me what is happening.

I think initially 5 people came from Energetics. I think Olga Dmitriyeva
was one. She was working with Rick Cantrell. Anyway, she got her PhD and
left. Two others went back after setting up the equipment. So now there are
two people there, plus the equipment. The others are back in Israel. I do
not know what they are doing but I hope it is cold fusion.

(Someone else told me the Israeli government has taken an interest and is
now funding them.)

Rob said: They got the equipment here and stabilized, and they were
producing excess heat.  That was pretty impressive in its own right.  We
have that equipment now, as part of the gift that established SKINR.

He said this is a partnership and co-investment that has brought allot of
new capabilities (neutron scattering, cyclotron, diamond sensors,
etc.) This work was described by people from Missouri U. during ICCF17. I
knew they had positive results, and they are building on this with advanced
analytic capabilities. I did not realize that they are using the cold
fusion cells provided by Energetics. I think that is a great idea. Why
reinvent the wheel? Start off with what works already, and build on it.

Rob described the outcome so far as quite positive.

- Jed

[Vo]:Brian Ahern's report at EPRI

Program on Technology Innovation: Assessment of Novel Energy Production
Mechanisms in a Nanoscale Metal Lattice
 Product ID: 1025575Sector Name: Power Delivery  UtilizationDate Published:
 8/22/2012Document Type: Technical UpdateFile size: 1.08 MBFile Type: Adobe
PDF (.pdf)

   Full list price:No Charge  This Product is publicly available.

  Abstract

In 1989, Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons made an announcement of energy
release from a palladium electrode that was infused with deuterium nuclei.
Many technical groups around the world attempted to verify their claims
with little or no success. The reproducibility was less than 3%, and the
rate of excess energy release was sporadic and unremarkable at levels less
than several watts. During the past 20 years, research in this area has
continued around the world much in stealth mode; however, recent claims
by several researchers warranted an independent investigation to
experimentally replicate the findings, assess their claims, and evaluate
the prospects for commercial viability. In this 2011 Electric Power
Research Institute (EPRI) Technology Innovation–sponsored research effort,
experiments were undertaken to investigate and attempt to replicate these
recent international research claims. Nanocomposite materials were
produced, placed inside a stainless steel Dewar flask, and evacuated at
200ºC. Hydrogen gas was added to the Dewar flask, and resistance thermal
devices recorded the temperature rise during the exothermic reaction of
nickel hydride formation. While several research reports from Europe
indicated significant thermal energy output from nanotextured nickel in the
presence of hydrogen gas, tests of similar materials conducted under this
EPRI research grant produced only milliwatt-scale thermal power releases,
and in one experiment, a 21-watt release was observed but not replicated.

While interesting results were observed, the research was not able to yield
repeatable experiments, given the scope and budget for this effort.
However, continued independent experimental work is recommended in this
area. The exact physical mechanisms are still unknown, and a reliable and
robust experimental system test is warranted to gain further understanding
of the commercial viability of this new energy production mechanism.
Program  2012 Energy Storage  Keywords

   - Condensed matter nuclear science
   - Energy production
   - Nanoscale metal lattice

  Note:  EPRI Customer Assistance Center
(800) 313-3774
email:aske...@epri.com
  Direct URL
http://my.epri.com/portal/server.pt?Abstract_id=0001025575

Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

2012-09-27 Thread fznidarsic

I love the Chinese people.  It about time that we stared getting along.  For 
whatever reason chalk one up for Obama.

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 12:20 pm
Subject: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast,
Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied.
Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet
operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat
operation against what we are told is a “highly unfriendly
extra-terrestrial threat.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/17/ufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco/

more

Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

2012-09-27 Thread LORENHEYER

If this is so, then it can only mean one thing.  The animals are 
becoming restless because they're feeling trapped, and by displaying some 
aggressive behavior directly at the zoo keepers, their message of being free to 
wreak havoc upon the earth will be heard.  Now, I have a feeling the only thing 
their going to receive is either a ' Kick In The Butt' or maybe aeven a 
serious Butt Whoopin naturally speaking of course.

 This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast,
 Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied.
 Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet
 operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat
 operation against what we are told is a highly unfriendly
 extra-terrestrial threat.
 
 
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/17/ufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco/
 
/HTML

Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

2012-09-27 Thread ChemE Stewart

I hope we have a dark energy weapon...

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

 I love the Chinese people.  It about time that we stared getting along.
  For whatever reason chalk one up for Obama.



 -Original Message-
 From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 12:20 pm
 Subject: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

  This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast,
 Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied.
 Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet
 operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat
 operation against what we are told is a “highly unfriendly
 extra-terrestrial threat.”
 http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/17/ufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco/

 more

Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

2012-09-27 Thread LORENHEYER

Riot On! I'm in a tank for Obama! 

 I love the Chinese people.  It about time that we stared getting along.  
For whatever reason chalk one up for Obama.
  
/HTML

Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

2012-09-27 Thread LORENHEYER

*All* we need is a Light Energy Propulsion/System... one that can let the 
animals be animals and live happily ever after.   

 I hope we have a dark energy weapon... 
/HTML

Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

2012-09-27 Thread Jojo Jaro

Hey That's right, One hep hep Hurray for our fearless messiah.

Never mind, that the US Economy is in the Shithole!
Never mind, that our trade Deficit is bigger than the economies of 90% of the 
countries of the world.
Never mind, that the Reserve Currency Status of the US Dollar is in peril.
Never mind, that a Monetary collapse is imminent.
Never mind, that we can never pay our debt, up to the 5th or 6th generation.
Never mind, that our messiah is slowly destroying our American Way of Life, and 
replacing it with government dependent socialism.
Never mind, that he is spitting and shitting on the most sacred and fundamental 
law of our land.



Hey, as long as he got the commies to work with us.  All is well and good!!!  
OK




Hey, might as well learn to work with the commies, cause we will be commies 
pretty soon, cause we are going to be serving them pretty soon.  Heck, since we 
already sold them the rope that will be used to hang us, all is fine and well.

Let's Chalk one up for Obama!



Jojo

 
  - Original Message - 
  From: fznidar...@aol.com 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 4:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs


  I love the Chinese people.  It about time that we stared getting along.  For 
whatever reason chalk one up for Obama.



  -Original Message-
  From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
  To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 12:20 pm
  Subject: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs


This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast,
Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied.
Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet
operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat
operation against what we are told is a “highly unfriendly
extra-terrestrial threat.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/17/ufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco/

more

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-27 Thread David Roberson

I also placed my connections above the bath.  With Borax, they had to be fairly 
close together to get 1 amp.  I estimate from memory about 1/2 inch maximum.  I 
am currently using sodium carbonate with a pencil lead electrode connected to 
the positive supply terminal.  With borax, the metal electrodes in that 
location always were attacked by the oxygen being released and the resistivity 
would quickly become too large.  Carbon electrodes likewise did not last long 
before being destroyed and that is when I went to the Arm  Hammer washing soda 
(sodium carbonate).   My latest set up lasts a very long time before the carbon 
is damaged.  The spacing is about 2 inches between my nickel and pencil lead.


Typically I read 14 volts when 1 amp of current is flowing.  Occasionally it 
only takes 12 volts depending upon spacing, electrode depth, and other factors.



I found an interesting way to make a sharp carbon rod.  The borax solution ate 
the carbon electrode with the most material being taken from the tip.   This 
resulted in an extremely long sharp carbon tip that appears many times sharper 
than a needle.  The tip could penetrate a paper towel with a small effort. 


Dave







-Original Message-
From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck 
Sites


Replicators :

I plan to hold my 2 nickels vertically, and only partly immersed in 
the Borax (so that all connections are above the fluid).


How far apart should they be?

I saw elsewhere that all Australian silver coins are also 
nickel-copper :(maybe swedish, too) : A big coin would be easier to 
connect than a nickel.

Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs

2012-09-27 Thread Terry Blanton

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
 A remarkable claim.

 What is this supposed to be? Fiction? Seriously, does someone believe this,
 or is it a parody, like The Onion?

The main site is not parody but it is a bit sensational.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites



At 02:18 PM 9/27/2012, David Roberson wrote:
I also
placed my connections above the bath. With Borax, they had to be
fairly close together to get 1 amp. I estimate from memory about
1/2 inch maximum. 
Thanks --- have you observed HOT NICKELS yet?

Re: [Vo]:Ancient Stream found on Mars

This is great stuff!

Robot exploration of Mars. So 21st century!

- Jed

[Vo]:Alan's Sites Effect Experiment

Power supply : got (The manual's Chinese, with an .. interesting 
English translation)
  There are knobs for current and power. I guess I'll have to 
twiddle them to see how they interact

Bunch of alligator clips : got
Cooking thermometer : got
Radiation detectors : ordered
   I ordered a 5-pack. I'll send 1 each to the first two vorticians who ask
Resistive Load : 1 ohm 25W for callibration

(lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat  -- and the 
defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)

Re: [Vo]:Alan's Sites Effect Experiment

2012-09-27 Thread Terry Blanton

Has everyone her gone totally insane?

Oh, it's close to 12/21/12.  Got it.

Re: [Vo]:Alan's Sites Effect Experiment

2012-09-27 Thread James Bowery

Terry, state the best defense of their sanity you can.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has everyone her gone totally insane?

 Oh, it's close to 12/21/12.  Got it.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-27 Thread David Roberson

Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte 
temperature yet.  My experiment has been running for about 36 hours so far.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck 
Sites


At 02:18 PM 9/27/2012, David Roberson wrote:

I alsoplaced my connections above the bath.  With Borax, they had to befairly 
close together to get 1 amp.  I estimate from memory about1/2 inch maximum.  

Thanks --- have you observed HOT NICKELS yet?

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-27 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint

This is not bad news. this establishes a baseline if your calcs agree with a
conventional explanation.  If this or a subsequent test, whether the same or
somewhat modified, begins to show different results, then at least we have a
baseline to compare to. keep on it!!!

 

-Mark Iverson

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites

 

Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte
temperature yet.  My experiment has been running for about 36 hours so far. 

 

Dave



-Original Message-
From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites

At 02:18 PM 9/27/2012, David Roberson wrote:



I also placed my connections above the bath.  With Borax, they had to be
fairly close together to get 1 amp.  I estimate from memory about 1/2 inch
maximum.  


Thanks --- have you observed HOT NICKELS yet?

Re: [Vo]:Godes patent application - apparent confusion over anode vs. cathode

2012-09-27 Thread Jeff Berkowitz

Abd, thanks so much. It finally clicked for me after about three readings.
It's mostly an AC circuit, so it's hard to visualize the effect of the
current source from Figure 3A, which is either continuous DC or effectively
pulsed DC.

Viewed as a DC circuit, the left side of R3 is at the same potential as
J1-1/2 which is, indeed, the cathode. So the bulb/plug thing labeled F04
and Cathode in Figure 3C is indeed pretty close to being the cathode,
aside from the drop across R3, which is presumably small because it's just
there to provide a voltage drop for current sensing.

A few thoughts about the Q-pulses to follow this weekend.

Jeff

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:

At 11:54 PM 9/26/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:

I'm looking at the Godes/Brillouin patent application:
http://www.google.com/**patents/US20110122984?hl=enhttp://www.google.com/patents/US20110122984?hl=en
ht**tp://www.google.com/patents/**US20110122984?hl=enhttp://www.google.com/patents/US20110122984?hl=en

In figure 3C, the circuit diagram of the drive circuitry, there are
effectively three outputs at right: the two connection points labeled
J1-1 and J1-2, and the bulb-shaped object that is dual-labeled Cathode
and F04 at right center. Then in paragraph 0045 of the text, we read:
The center tap on the secondary of transformer T8 attached to the cathode
[...] of the loading current source.

But in Figure 9, we see three connections from the controller to the
beaker on the left (the fourth line to the left beaker is a sensor). Two of
the controller connections run to the object labeled Cathode in the
beaker, one to the Anode. It's tempting to assume the paired connections
to the Cathode correspond to J1-1 and J1-2 in figure 3C, so the other
connection to Anode in Figure 9 must be the bulb shaped object which is
unfortunately labeled Cathode in 3C.

Thinking about this, I think that Figure 9 is correct. Figure 3C and
paragraph 0045 are in error; the bulb-shaped object in 3C should be labeled
Anode. Here's why:

1) Looking back at the circuit diagram 3C, it makes sense for the
reactant loading pulse to run to the anode. In other words, instead of an
ordinary continuous DC electrolytic cell, Godes is pulsing the current to
the anode. By controlling pulse width and frequency, he can control the
rate of the electrolysis reaction.

2) J1-1 and J1-2, on the other hand, run to the ends of the taps on the
transformer. I believe the drive circuitry at lower left, combined with the
caps C2 and C5, form a differentiator: the circuit generates short,
powerful spikes across the primary of T8 as the big power FETs at lower
left switch on and off. These spikes (the Q pulses) couple across the
isolation transformer T8 and look like AC to the core since the are
referenced to the sort of virtual ground formed by the center tap of T8.

Thoughts?

Okay, the patent schematics are not designed for ease of interpretation.

Figure 3C does not show the loading current source as such. The loading
current will be through the cathode and anode. However, all loading current
passes through a series resistor, R3, nd is monitored by P7 and P8, which
are labelled Monitor Reactor Loading Current. It looks like loading
current is supplied by J1-1 and J1-2. The Quantum Compression Current, as
a drop across R2, and is monitored through P9 and P10.

Yes, the QCC is AC, injected through transformer T8.

No, it is highly likely that the cathode is the electrochemical cathode,
the core (15) in figure 3A, the cathode in Fig. 9.

The loading current power supply is shown schematically in Fig. 3A as
20, Current Source. The cathode has two leads, one to each end of it.
The Current Source is controlled to provide the loading current. Per
convention, the arrow shows the direction of current flow, the current
flows into the electrochemical anode, per the current direction convention.
The current source provides a controllable DC current, this is the loading
current.

Jeff, I think, has misinterpreted the diagram. I don't blame him. It's
confusing. The loading current is provided by a constant current power
supply, the current source. Transformer(s) are used to inject an AC
signal on top of that current.

This *is*, very likely, an ordinary continuous DC electroytic cell, as
to loading, with the continuous current controlled, as is normal, through a
constant current power supply. That is the circle with the arrow in Fig.
3A. However, it is indicated in Fig. 3A that loading is also pulsed. I.e.,
the constant current power supply is controlled to create pulses of
current.

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