Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
Jed try to google ivano marescotti. Have fun :) Susy 2011/10/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com As noted, there is a photo of Fioravanti and some comments about him by Lewan here: http://theeestory.com/posts/215391 I asked Lewan: Do you know anything about this person? Do you think it is possible he is a fake who actually works for Rossi? He looks a little old for that. I do not seriously think this is fake. But if we had some proof that he really is an independent licensed engineer, that pretty much proves it is real. A licensed engineer would never take part in a fraud. He would lose his license and his livelihood. This is a widely publicized event and the authorities would find out about it. . . . Is there an on-line registry of licensed engineers in Italy? Can someone look this guy up? Someone who speaks Italian, please? Here is a registry in California, License Lookup (Verification) for California-Licensed Professional Engineers, Land Surveyors, Geologists, and Geophysicists: http://www.pels.ca.gov/consumers/lic_lookup.shtml Here is one for Georgia: http://sos.georgia.gov/plb/ I found a registry in Georgia for people who are *not* registered HVAC engineers, that is, people convicted of practicing without a license, or who had their licenses revoked. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 10:02 +0100, Susan Gipp wrote: Jed try to google ivano marescotti. Have fun :) Susy It's not the same guy. :) Craig
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
Cross-posted from the general Rossi replies Andrea Rossi October 31st, 2011 at 9:12 AM Dear James Bowery: The dissipator has been designed by me and the person who leaded the test, an engineer of NATO ( a Colonel) who has 30 years of experience in thermopower plants and thermodynamical systems.
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
So he is a colonel. Or was. Interesting. There are not too many of them in NATO. Perhaps there is a list somewhere. It is a shame he is not a general. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
Hi, On 31-10-2011 3:11, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I wonder if this is related? http://www.fioravanti.it/ (Power source for sports cars?) Probably not according this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Fioravanti_%28engineer%29 Kind regards, MoB *Leonardo Fioravanti* (born 1938) is an Italian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy automobile designer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_design and CEO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEO of Fioravanti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fioravanti_%28automotive%29 Srl. He studied mechanical engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_engineering at the Politecnico di Milano http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politecnico_di_Milano, specializing in aerodynamics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodynamics and car body design. He worked twenty-four years with Pininfarina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pininfarina, joining as a stylist in 1964, aged 26, and eventually becoming Managing Director and General Manager of Pininfarina's research arm, Pininfarina Studi Ricerche. Before founding Fioravanti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fioravanti Srl in 1991 he held the positions of deputy General Manager at Ferrari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari and the director's role at the Centro Stile Alfa Romeo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo. Fioravanti designed the Ferrari Dino http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Dino, the Ferrari Daytona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Daytona, the Ferrari P5 and P6, the Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_512_Berlinetta_Boxer, the Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 (the forerunner of the Ferrari 400 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_400), the Ferrari 308 GTB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_308_GTB, Ferrari 288 GTO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_288_GTO and the Fiat 130 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_130. His two sons, Matteo, an architect, and Luca, an attorney, have also worked with him at Fioravanti Srl. On January 16, 2009 Leonardo Fioravanti was elected Chairman of ANFIA Car Coachbuilders Group for a 3 year mandate from 2009 to 2011.
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
Hi, On 31-10-2011 3:11, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I wonder if this is related? http://www.fioravanti.it/ (Power source for sports cars?) Probably not according this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Fioravanti_(engineer) Kind regards, MoB *Leonardo Fioravanti* (born 1938) is an Italian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy automobile designer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_design and CEO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEO of Fioravanti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fioravanti_%28automotive%29 Srl. He studied mechanical engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_engineering at the Politecnico di Milano http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politecnico_di_Milano, specializing in aerodynamics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodynamics and car body design. He worked twenty-four years with Pininfarina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pininfarina, joining as a stylist in 1964, aged 26, and eventually becoming Managing Director and General Manager of Pininfarina's research arm, Pininfarina Studi Ricerche. Before founding Fioravanti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fioravanti Srl in 1991 he held the positions of deputy General Manager at Ferrari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari and the director's role at the Centro Stile Alfa Romeo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo. Fioravanti designed the Ferrari Dino http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Dino, the Ferrari Daytona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Daytona, the Ferrari P5 and P6, the Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_512_Berlinetta_Boxer, the Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 (the forerunner of the Ferrari 400 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_400), the Ferrari 308 GTB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_308_GTB, Ferrari 288 GTO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_288_GTO and the Fiat 130 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_130. His two sons, Matteo, an architect, and Luca, an attorney, have also worked with him at Fioravanti Srl. On January 16, 2009 Leonardo Fioravanti was elected Chairman of ANFIA Car Coachbuilders Group for a 3 year mandate from 2009 to 2011.
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
I was skimming AR's comments on his web log and found this one: Andrea Rossi August 5th, 2011 at 8:48 AM Dear Mr Domenico: The risk is zero, because we do not use radioactive material and we do not produce radioactive wastes. In all the cases you listed H is cut. If the temperature rises too high, Nickel melts, powder becomes ingot and the process is stopped: intrinsecally safe situation. Warm Regards, A.R. Domenico August 4th, 2011 at 4:40 PM Egregio ing. Rossi (If you already have answered this question previously in your blog, please apologise) – What are the risks of an E-Cat in operation being damaged/destroyed by a collapsing building (e.g. earthquake), by shieldbreaking firearm bullets or explosives (never underestimate human madness or stupidity), by floods/tsunamis or other destructive action, in terms of gamma ray exposure intensity and duration? Thank you – in your work lies hope of many people. Cordialmente Domenico end Now there are a lot of Domenico's in the world; but, this is the only one who asked about firearm bullets. This would be something that would concern a former Col. in NATO, n'est-ce pas? T
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I would suggest that someone over at Rossi's blog ask Rossi for information on Domenico Fiorvanati. State the request simply and politely. He has already said he does not want to reveal this. Fiorvanati met with Lewan and others, and they talked for a long time. Fiorvanati himself said that he and the company do not want to reveal themselves. I know Rossi well enough to predict that he will not change his mind on this. Even though this hurts his credibility, but he does not care about that as much as he cares about controlling and micromanaging the flow of information. Of course it is possible they are hiding the guy's identity because he works for Rossi, or it is a fake name, or for some other nefarious reason. I suppose the reason is what they claim, that the company wants to keep a low profile. That too is plausible. But who knows? Lewan said that whoever Fiorvanati is, he is every inch an engineer. He knows a terrific amount about boilers, steam quality, thermodynamics and so on. He freely talked about the technical issues. It is good to hear that Rossi is working with professionals like him. Even if it is a giant scam, at least it is a well-engineered, safe, giant scam. It probably wouldn't hurt to mention to Rossi the fact that by allowing the pubic to at least verify the professional credentials of Fiorvanati, it ought to go a long way in vindicating Rossi's CF claims. Rossi knows that. We have sent the message to him. It would not hurt to send it again. But then, perhaps Rossi could care less what the general public thinks of his credentials. I see three possibilities here: 1. He could care less. 2. He cares, but he is bound by a secrecy agreement (which is what he claims). 3. He is covering up a scam. #3 seems far-fetched but there is no hard evidence for any of these three. You can pick one and say your intuition favors it, but anyone who says they know for sure which it is should be asked to supply an independently verifiable reason for saying that. The default answer is not fraud or legitimate. It is, I don't know. Actually, I wouldn't stop with Rossi. I'd widen the circle. Ask ANYONE who has had close ties to Rossi if they know who Fiorvanati is. And if they don't know ask them if they might know the name of someone who might know. It might be worth it to contact Manutencoop's personnel department . . . That sounds like the kind of sleuthing Krivit loves to do. He is good at it, too. I myself would not do this because this is none of my business. If these people want to keep a low profile, and if Rossi wants to making himself look like a crook, so be it. Of course I am curious, and if Fiorvanati's credentials can be found in plain view, from a credible source, I would love to see them. But I do not want to poke around trying to learn things that people want to keep secret. I think we should simply report that they are hiding their identities, we should give their reasons for doing this, and we should state the obvious which is that this policy makes them look like a gang of crooks and scheming frauds. It does! With the best will in the world, anyone can see that it does. Krivit thinks he is the only one who sees this, but it was obvious to me during the test, which is why I posted the message Dismaying rumors . . . even before it ended. I use words like dismaying where Krivit would scream blatant fraud!!! It is a matter of emphasis. The content of what I reported is exactly the same as what Krivit reported, but I left it up to the reader to decide how serious this is. At the time I was not sure this was happening. The rumor was confirmed a few hours later. As I predicted, Lewan and others described what happened. Lewan's account is not at all gullible and it does not soft-pedal Rossi's secrecy. Krivit says it does but I think anyone can see that Lewan has not covered up anything. Eventually, I suspect we will ascertain Fiovanati's professional status. Maybe. Maybe not. I can report that he is a skilled, knowledgeable engineer. That does not preclude the possibility that he is a fraud. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
Hi, On 30-10-2011 16:11, Jed Rothwell wrote: 3. He is covering up a scam. #3 seems far-fetched but there is no hard evidence for any of these three. You can pick one and say your intuition favors it, but anyone who says they know for sure which it is should be asked to supply an independently verifiable reason for saying that. The default answer is not fraud or legitimate. It is, I don't know. Actually, I wouldn't stop with Rossi. I'd widen the circle. Ask ANYONE who has had close ties to Rossi if they know who Fiorvanati is. And if they don't know ask them if they might know the name of someone who might know. It might be worth it to contact Manutencoop's personnel department . . . That sounds like the kind of sleuthing Krivit loves to do. He is good at it, too. A thought that occurred to me: seen the bizarre position which Krivit has moved himself in towards Rossi, could it mean that if Krivit is not reporting in the (near) future about any leads regarding Fioravanti, that Krivit could have found information about Fioravanti and the company which supports Rossi's claims? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:11:46 -0400: Hi, [snip] OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I would suggest that someone over at Rossi's blog ask Rossi for information on Domenico Fiorvanati. State the request simply and politely. I wonder if this is related? http://www.fioravanti.it/ (Power source for sports cars?) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
As noted, there is a photo of Fioravanti and some comments about him by Lewan here: http://theeestory.com/posts/215391 I asked Lewan: Do you know anything about this person? Do you think it is possible he is a fake who actually works for Rossi? He looks a little old for that. I do not seriously think this is fake. But if we had some proof that he really is an independent licensed engineer, that pretty much proves it is real. A licensed engineer would never take part in a fraud. He would lose his license and his livelihood. This is a widely publicized event and the authorities would find out about it. . . . Is there an on-line registry of licensed engineers in Italy? Can someone look this guy up? Someone who speaks Italian, please? Here is a registry in California, License Lookup (Verification) for California-Licensed Professional Engineers, Land Surveyors, Geologists, and Geophysicists: http://www.pels.ca.gov/consumers/lic_lookup.shtml Here is one for Georgia: http://sos.georgia.gov/plb/ I found a registry in Georgia for people who are *not* registered HVAC engineers, that is, people convicted of practicing without a license, or who had their licenses revoked. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: As noted, there is a photo of Fioravanti and some comments about him by Lewan here: http://theeestory.com/posts/215391 His picture here: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303681.ece will enlarge. Interesting cap. Is that a logo on the top? T
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
If it is his real name?! It is a Domenico Fioravanti hero sprtsman- kind of Mark Spitz or Michael Phelps of Italy. I will make a people search for the US. But very probably not the real name. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: As noted, there is a photo of Fioravanti and some comments about him by Lewan here: http://theeestory.com/posts/215391 I asked Lewan: Do you know anything about this person? Do you think it is possible he is a fake who actually works for Rossi? He looks a little old for that. I do not seriously think this is fake. But if we had some proof that he really is an independent licensed engineer, that pretty much proves it is real. A licensed engineer would never take part in a fraud. He would lose his license and his livelihood. This is a widely publicized event and the authorities would find out about it. . . . Is there an on-line registry of licensed engineers in Italy? Can someone look this guy up? Someone who speaks Italian, please? Here is a registry in California, License Lookup (Verification) for California-Licensed Professional Engineers, Land Surveyors, Geologists, and Geophysicists: http://www.pels.ca.gov/consumers/lic_lookup.shtml Here is one for Georgia: http://sos.georgia.gov/plb/ I found a registry in Georgia for people who are *not* registered HVAC engineers, that is, people convicted of practicing without a license, or who had their licenses revoked. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: If it is his real name?! It is a Domenico Fioravanti hero sprtsman- kind of Mark Spitz or Michael Phelps of Italy. I will make a people search for the US. But very probably not the real name. Fioravanti.it are famous coach builders in Torino. Maybe he's Leonardo Fioravanti's brother? T
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I will make a people search for the US. He appears to be Italian. Why would he be registered in the U.S? I can look in a Japanese registry but he probably isn't there either. But very probably not the real name. What on earth makes you think that is not his real name?!? This is not a James Bond movie. Why would he use a fake name? I am sure that signing a technical document with a fake name, or claiming you are a registered engineer with a fake name, would also be serious violations of the laws. People do not seem to appreciate this, but as Samuel Florman points out, professional engineers are very careful not to violate laws and regulations. Not because they are highly moral people. Because they will lose their license if they are caught, and then they will have no way to make a living. They would throw away all that training and years of experience. I expect they would have difficulty finding any kind of job. A middle aged guy like Fioravanti would spend the rest of his working life sweeping floors or flipping burgers. Rossi would have to pay a huge bribe to get him to do that. A university scientist could fake a report more easily. He would just say he made a mistake. People don't read scientific papers anyway. I read 'em, and I find many real mistakes. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
It seems that the information about registered professional italian engineers can be found here: http://www.tuttoingegnere.it/web/ITA/Registro-U/ricerca.asp_cvt.asp I do not speak italian, but I can read a little. It seems to me that not every italian engineer is registered there, it depends wheter the regional engineer offices makes the information available. I have searched for FIORAVANTI, and there is no Domenico Fioravanti registered. But he could be registered to one of those regional offices that do not provide the information. I also searched for Andrea Rossi. There are several registered engineers called Andrea Rossi. 2011/10/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I will make a people search for the US. He appears to be Italian. Why would he be registered in the U.S? I can look in a Japanese registry but he probably isn't there either. But very probably not the real name. What on earth makes you think that is not his real name?!? This is not a James Bond movie. Why would he use a fake name? I am sure that signing a technical document with a fake name, or claiming you are a registered engineer with a fake name, would also be serious violations of the laws. People do not seem to appreciate this, but as Samuel Florman points out, professional engineers are very careful not to violate laws and regulations. Not because they are highly moral people. Because they will lose their license if they are caught, and then they will have no way to make a living. They would throw away all that training and years of experience. I expect they would have difficulty finding any kind of job. A middle aged guy like Fioravanti would spend the rest of his working life sweeping floors or flipping burgers. Rossi would have to pay a huge bribe to get him to do that. A university scientist could fake a report more easily. He would just say he made a mistake. People don't read scientific papers anyway. I read 'em, and I find many real mistakes. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
That register is incomplete cannot be trusted. It is stated on the search page and its the truth: i put many names of registered engineers I know and no one shows. I trust my friends much more than that database. Si precisa pertanto che il presente elenco non comprende necessariamente tutti gli ingegneri iscritti agli Ordini i.e. It should be noted, therefore, that this list does not necessarily include all engineers registered to Orders Also if the customer does not need a certification of the plant with legal value, for instance because Fioravanti works for the customer, there is no need for him to be on the register to do an internal report. An independent certification is usually paid by the producer (ie leonardo corp). Fioravanti was on behalf of the customer not on Rossi's, at least that was what was said. mic 2011/10/29 Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.com: It seems that the information about registered professional italian engineers can be found here: http://www.tuttoingegnere.it/web/ITA/Registro-U/ricerca.asp_cvt.asp I do not speak italian, but I can read a little. It seems to me that not every italian engineer is registered there, it depends wheter the regional engineer offices makes the information available. I have searched for FIORAVANTI, and there is no Domenico Fioravanti registered. But he could be registered to one of those regional offices that do not provide the information. I also searched for Andrea Rossi. There are several registered engineers called Andrea Rossi. 2011/10/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I will make a people search for the US. He appears to be Italian. Why would he be registered in the U.S? I can look in a Japanese registry but he probably isn't there either. But very probably not the real name. What on earth makes you think that is not his real name?!? This is not a James Bond movie. Why would he use a fake name? I am sure that signing a technical document with a fake name, or claiming you are a registered engineer with a fake name, would also be serious violations of the laws. People do not seem to appreciate this, but as Samuel Florman points out, professional engineers are very careful not to violate laws and regulations. Not because they are highly moral people. Because they will lose their license if they are caught, and then they will have no way to make a living. They would throw away all that training and years of experience. I expect they would have difficulty finding any kind of job. A middle aged guy like Fioravanti would spend the rest of his working life sweeping floors or flipping burgers. Rossi would have to pay a huge bribe to get him to do that. A university scientist could fake a report more easily. He would just say he made a mistake. People don't read scientific papers anyway. I read 'em, and I find many real mistakes. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
On 11-10-29 12:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I will make a people search for the US. He appears to be Italian. Why would he be registered in the U.S? Registered as what? I've worked as an engineer in the U.S. and I never was registered and certainly wasn't licensed. I never met a licensed engineer in the States. (Canada's different that way, as are lots of countries, including, I suppose, Italy.) I can look in a Japanese registry but he probably isn't there either. But very probably not the real name. What on earth makes you think that is not his real name?!? This is not a James Bond movie. Why would he use a fake name? I am sure that signing a technical document with a fake name, or claiming you are a registered engineer with a fake name, would also be serious violations of the laws. People do not seem to appreciate this, but as Samuel Florman points out, professional engineers are very careful not to violate laws and regulations. Not because they are highly moral people. Because they will lose their license if they are caught, and then they will have no way to make a living. They would throw away all that training and years of experience. I expect they would have difficulty finding any kind of job. A middle aged guy like Fioravanti would spend the rest of his working life sweeping floors or flipping burgers. Rossi would have to pay a huge bribe to get him to do that. A university scientist could fake a report more easily. He would just say he made a mistake. People don't read scientific papers anyway. I read 'em, and I find many real mistakes. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: I never met a licensed engineer in the States. You have online. (waving) T
RE: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
I would suggest that someone over at Rossi's blog ask Rossi for information on Domenico Fiorvanati. State the request simply and politely. Mention the fact that many sincere individuals are looking information, documentation, links... anything that would help verify the professional credentials of Fiorvanati. It probably wouldn't hurt to mention to Rossi the fact that by allowing the pubic to at least verify the professional credentials of Fiorvanati, it ought to go a long way in vindicating Rossi's CF claims. But then, perhaps Rossi could care less what the general public thinks of his credentials. Actually, I wouldn't stop with Rossi. I'd widen the circle. Ask ANYONE who has had close ties to Rossi if they know who Fiorvanati is. And if they don't know ask them if they might know the name of someone who might know. It might be worth it to contact Manutencoop's personnel department - ask them if they have employed an engineer (or at least an employee) who goes by the name of Fiorvanati, and does he work for them. And if he doesn't work for their company, ask them if they might know who Fiovanati is and who he might work for. Branch out! This is how networking works. It works splendidly well in sales profession. ;-) Eventually, I suspect we will ascertain Fiovanati's professional status. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
