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I wrote: I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi? I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream? I would say no, he doesn't. I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that he does not appear credible. I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but unfortunately I do not think it has. If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it. - Jed
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Who has standing to ask? IH is privately held http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=245130378 . On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted. Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Boom! On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote: I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials Branch at N.C. Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few questions about the document published by GW. Here’s his answer: - - - - - Mr. Lewan, The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina. The investigators documented what was said and observed. They reported what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility. We have no further information to share about the alleger. Thank you for your inquiry. David Crowley N.C. Department of Health and Human Services Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation 5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612 1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645 Phone: 919-814-2303 david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov www.ncradiation.net www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/ - - - - Mats www.animpossibleinvention.com *Från:* Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com] *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2015 19:20 *Till:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Ämne:* Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc Hi all As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/ and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view Kind Regards walker On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi? I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream? I would say no, he doesn't. I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that he does not appear credible. I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but unfortunately I do not think it has. If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it. - Jed
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Boom! On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote: I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials Branch at N.C. Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few questions about the document published by GW. Here’s his answer: - - - - - Mr. Lewan, The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina. The investigators documented what was said and observed. They reported what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility. We have no further information to share about the alleger. Thank you for your inquiry. David Crowley N.C. Department of Health and Human Services Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation 5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612 1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645 Phone: 919-814-2303 david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov www.ncradiation.net www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/ - - - - Mats www.animpossibleinvention.com *Från:* Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com] *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2015 19:20 *Till:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Ämne:* Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc Hi all As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/ and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view Kind Regards walker On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi? I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream? I would say no, he doesn't. I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that he does not appear credible. I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but unfortunately I do not think it has. If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it. - Jed
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Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: That Gary Wright guy has it out for Rossi. I think you mean he has it in for Rossi. He sure does! He seems like a fanatic. He is also terribly rude. He sent a long list of rude questions to Bo Hoisted. Hoisted answered with one question of his own: Are you Steve Krivit? Wright said he isn't. He sure sounds like Steve. (I cannot find that exchange, but it is on his web site.) Fortunately, Wright does not have it in for cold fusion. He would be a real pain in the butt if he did. From the website: NOTE: The general field of Cold Fusion / Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction research is NOT a scam. For authoritative references on this field, see either New Energy Times, or mainstream encyclopedia references by Elsevier or John Wiley and Sons. What are the typical legal ramifications under US state/federal law, if any, for filing a complaint under a pseudonym? I doubt there are legal ramifications. People can file complaints anonymously if they want. The authorities are free to ignore such complaints. There might be a problem if you were to file a complaint with statements you knew were lies. I would not know about that. Regarding the investigation itself, here is what I wrote to a friend: I think it is laudable that the department takes things like this seriously and investigates. It does not sound like they spent a lot of time or money. If I were an official who heard about something like this, I would think it might be some amateur or a retired scientist playing games with radioisotopes. I think it is appropriate to send someone around with a Geiger counter. - Jed
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I also sent an email to JT Vaughn and asked if he would like to comment. He answered with a statement from IH: - - - - - Industrial Heat, LLC has learned of a report confirming the absence of any radioactive materials in our facilities. While the conclusion was sensible -- there was no evidence of radioactive material at our site -- the report went on to make other observations beyond the scope of the investigation. Industrial Heat has invested in energy technologies in their early stages of development. We have a long term strategy of spending our resources on ideas which might or might not be successful in the market. We do this because the world still needs new, clean and efficient energy sources. We remain committed to supporting technologies that will reduce the environmental impact of producing energy and raise the standard of living in developing countries. Industrial Heat acquired certain rights to Andrea Rossi’s LENR technology. The company continues to support Dr. Rossi's research and development, and we are hopeful that our funding can lead to new discoveries. Since the acquisition, there has been no departure from our support for this project, or any other projects. Any suggestions of the views of Industrial Heat, apart from those described here, do not reflect the views of Industrial Heat or its staff. - - - - - Mats www.animpossibleinvention.comhttp://www.animpossibleinvention.com Från: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Skickat: den 5 februari 2015 23:08 Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com Ämne: Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc James Bowery jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Who has standing to ask? IH is privately heldhttp://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=245130378. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.commailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted. Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy. I do not think anyone has standing to ask, but a person might be curious. A reporter from the business section of the newspaper might ask. It is a little odd that this statement showed up in a safety inspector's report. The inspector's job was to look for radioactive material. He should not have been asking questions about Rossi, and he should not have included any comments by Vaughn about Rossi in the report. However, this is a trivial matter. - Jed
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James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Who has standing to ask? IH is privately held http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=245130378 . On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted. Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy. I do not think anyone has standing to ask, but a person might be curious. A reporter from the business section of the newspaper might ask. It is a little odd that this statement showed up in a safety inspector's report. The inspector's job was to look for radioactive material. He should not have been asking questions about Rossi, and he should not have included any comments by Vaughn about Rossi in the report. However, this is a trivial matter. - Jed
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Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi is probably misdirecting everyone because he doesn't want to be stalked in Florida. It is common knowledge that he is Florida. He is not misdirecting anyone. - Jed
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That is that then. Thanks Mats. Regards, Patrick On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote: I also sent an email to JT Vaughn and asked if he would like to comment. He answered with a statement from IH:
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Here's a good theory: Maybe the answer is as simple as the E-Cat(product name for the low temperature model) is manufactured in Florida. The HotCat(product name for the high temperature model) has RD/manufacturing in Raleigh but the inspector didn't ask about the HotCat so Vaughn wasn't forced to volunteer information about it. This makes sense. Rossi is probably misdirecting everyone because he doesn't want to be stalked in Florida. Vaughn simply told the rep the truth, that Rossi is lying. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:14 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Who has standing to ask? IH is privately held http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=245130378 . On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted. Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Boom! On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote: I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials Branch at N.C. Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few questions about the document published by GW. Here’s his answer: - - - - - Mr. Lewan, The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina. The investigators documented what was said and observed. They reported what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility. We have no further information to share about the alleger. Thank you for your inquiry. David Crowley N.C. Department of Health and Human Services Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation 5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612 1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645 Phone: 919-814-2303 david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov www.ncradiation.net www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/ - - - - Mats www.animpossibleinvention.com *Från:* Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com] *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2015 19:20 *Till:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Ämne:* Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc Hi all As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/ and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view Kind Regards walker On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi? I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream? I would say no, he doesn't. I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that he does not appear credible. I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but unfortunately I do not think it has. If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it. - Jed
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Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such a big deal about it? I assume the statement was not only paraphrased but taken out of context. It was probably something like: He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true. - Jed
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Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, Gary Wright? One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows, clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such a big deal about it? I assume the statement was not only paraphrased but taken out of context. It was probably something like: He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true. - Jed
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HM careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass conspiracy thing. The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve nuclear materials because of terrorism. They probably said he wasn't credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on it further. Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that Vaughn just got misquoted. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, Gary Wright? One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows, clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such a big deal about it? I assume the statement was not only paraphrased but taken out of context. It was probably something like: He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true. - Jed
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On Thursday, February 5, 2015 2:38 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: It is common knowledge that he is Florida. He is not misdirecting anyone. Incorrect. Rossi has claimed several times on JoNP that he has a team in North Carolina Research Triangle Park working with Industrial Heat. The specific address shown on this report has also been discussed previously in public as the only location that Industrial heat has. He has also mentioned his team working there. See Rossi's responses from June 10, July 7, Oct 1, Nov 10th 2014 on http://www.rossilivecat.com/all.html e.g. Andrea Rossi July 7th, 2014 at 1:58 PM Raleigh, North Carolina, USA; in the factory of Industrial Heat, in the heart of the Research Triangle, where many mammoth companies have their RD centers. In my opinion: - No lab or plant exists in NC. Either Rossi lied about setting it up, or IH shut it down once they figured out Rossi was not credible. - This is the second time Rossi's been caught in a lie about factory/lab locations. (Same thing happened in 2012 in Florida http://shutdownrossi.com/certification-licenses-validation-testing/florida-brc-report/) - There is no way to do the level of research Rossi claims to be doing with any sort of team, and yet have no physical facilities to do it in. This points to Rossi's entire enterprise being questionable. -JT Vaughn's response sounds to me like an investor who has realized he needs to cover his legal exposure. Even if the venture is a complete writeoff, you will never see a statement from them about it - it's the nature of venture capital. - It's a crushing blow to Rossi's credibility but I don't expect Frank Acland and the eCat believers to stop believing. Leon Festinger would love this. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails) No idea who Gary Wright is, and I can't stand his kooky websites, but kudos to him for getting some real 'indipendent' third party data on Rossi. AF
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2015-02-05 17:03 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it. This seems the most probable. That is a fact that LENR does not LOOK credible (for uninformed couch potatoes). Question is what it IS... the trick of many bad journalist is to - never lie - forget annoying facts - ask question to bend the mind of reader, carefully not answering - state the minimum of real facts - to let the reader interpret wrongly Another is to take the erroneous statements of fanclub, and ridicule that strawman. (I think of the 12 power plant).
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It could also be that Vaughn has some sort of NDA as well. If he disparaged Rossi while under NDA that would leave Rossi with the right to sue. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: All nuclear reactions produce byproducts, many of which could be public health hazards. Mr. Wright now needs to make the case that for the sake of public safety, the government should compel Rossi, Darden or Vaughn to disclose the location of any US based LENR laboratory. We have seen pictures of the hotcat that were taken somewhere... and we know a device was delivered to Lugano. Evidence is high that Rossi is tinkering with nuclear energy. Keep digging, Mr. Wright! I want the truth. - Brad On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: HM careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass conspiracy thing. The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve nuclear materials because of terrorism. They probably said he wasn't credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on it further. Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that Vaughn just got misquoted. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, Gary Wright? One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows, clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such a big deal about it? I assume the statement was not only paraphrased but taken out of context. It was probably something like: He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true. - Jed
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Your conspiracy jibe was gratuitous. My comment took into account your explanation and provided the obvious reality that the government is a political animal. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: HM careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass conspiracy thing. The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve nuclear materials because of terrorism. They probably said he wasn't credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on it further. Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that Vaughn just got misquoted. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, Gary Wright? One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows, clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such a big deal about it? I assume the statement was not only paraphrased but taken out of context. It was probably something like: He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true. - Jed
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It's not gratuitous at all. To lie like that to support other people who are lying while representing the government is a crime. When a group of people commit a crime together, it's called a conspiracy. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:33 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Your conspiracy jibe was gratuitous. My comment took into account your explanation and provided the obvious reality that the government is a political animal. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: HM careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass conspiracy thing. The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve nuclear materials because of terrorism. They probably said he wasn't credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on it further. Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that Vaughn just got misquoted. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, Gary Wright? One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows, clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such a big deal about it? I assume the statement was not only paraphrased but taken out of context. It was probably something like: He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true. - Jed
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https://rossiisreal.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/probability-of-rossi-is-real-is-now-19/ On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: It's not gratuitous at all. To lie like that to support other people who are lying while representing the government is a crime. When a group of people commit a crime together, it's called a conspiracy. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:33 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Your conspiracy jibe was gratuitous. My comment took into account your explanation and provided the obvious reality that the government is a political animal. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: HM careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass conspiracy thing. The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve nuclear materials because of terrorism. They probably said he wasn't credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on it further. Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that Vaughn just got misquoted. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, Gary Wright? One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows, clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such a big deal about it? I assume the statement was not only paraphrased but taken out of context. It was probably something like: He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true. - Jed
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Jed sez: Hoisted answered with one question of his own: Are you Steve Krivit? Wright said he isn't. He sure sounds like Steve. Like Wright would say he wuz? Oh! You found me out! How careless of me! I'm assuming Wright isn't SK. Fortunately, Wright does not have it in for cold fusion. He would be a real pain in the butt if he did. From the website: NOTE: The general field of Cold Fusion / Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction research is NOT a scam. For authoritative references on this field, see either New Energy Times, or mainstream encyclopedia references by Elsevier or John Wiley and Sons. That's priceless! X'actly what I would speculate SK disguised in pseudonym might say. Wright and SK certainly share a lot of interests, and attitude. I can see why Bo had his suspicions. We should try to see if we can interest Abd Lomax into investigating the matter of Wright's web site. Abd is one obsessed individual who has acquired a damned good talent for ferreting out historical backgrounds and finances of websites, individuals, and organizations. He did a decent job dissecting the historical finances SK's NET website. See: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/newvortex/conversations/messages/679 I wish Mr. Beaty could find it in his heart to reinstate Lomax back into Vortex. I miss him. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
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JNewman: Gee Daniel. I would have expected him to say “We were taken in hook, line and sinker by a con man and wasted millions of dollars on a fraudulent device.” Such a statement would certainly endear him to his investors and encourage them to invest more money. One has to wonder why he didn’t do that. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Jed sez: Hoisted answered with one question of his own: Are you Steve Krivit? Wright said he isn't. He sure sounds like Steve. Like Wright would say he wuz? Oh! You found me out! How careless of me! I'm assuming Wright isn't SK. Fortunately, Wright does not have it in for cold fusion. He would be a real pain in the butt if he did. From the website: NOTE: The general field of Cold Fusion / Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction research is NOT a scam. For authoritative references on this field, see either New Energy Times, or mainstream encyclopedia references by Elsevier or John Wiley and Sons. That's priceless! X'actly what I would speculate SK disguised in pseudonym might say. Wright and SK certainly share a lot of interests, and attitude. I can see why Bo had his suspicions. We should try to see if we can interest Abd Lomax into investigating the matter of Wright's web site. Abd is one obsessed individual who has acquired a damned good talent for ferreting out historical backgrounds and finances of websites, individuals, and organizations. He did a decent job dissecting the historical finances SK's NET website. See: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/newvortex/conversations/messages/679 I wish Mr. Beaty could find it in his heart to reinstate Lomax back into Vortex. I miss him. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
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All nuclear reactions produce byproducts, many of which could be public health hazards. Mr. Wright now needs to make the case that for the sake of public safety, the government should compel Rossi, Darden or Vaughn to disclose the location of any US based LENR laboratory. We have seen pictures of the hotcat that were taken somewhere... and we know a device was delivered to Lugano. Evidence is high that Rossi is tinkering with nuclear energy. Keep digging, Mr. Wright! I want the truth. - Brad On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: HM careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass conspiracy thing. The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve nuclear materials because of terrorism. They probably said he wasn't credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on it further. Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that Vaughn just got misquoted. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, Gary Wright? One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows, clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such a big deal about it? I assume the statement was not only paraphrased but taken out of context. It was probably something like: He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true. - Jed
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Yes it was gratuitous because there is no necessary implication of collusion when people share an agenda. They can come to the shared agenda through the equivalent of crowd hysteria -- which is what the vast majority of politics consists of. Now, there may be a few individuals like Lewis and Koonin who are particularly adept at manipulating crowds -- and they might have colluded in a criminal conspiracy to trigger a stampede at the Spring 1989 APS meeting in Maryland, but the rest is primarily herd instinct. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: It's not gratuitous at all. To lie like that to support other people who are lying while representing the government is a crime. When a group of people commit a crime together, it's called a conspiracy. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:33 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Your conspiracy jibe was gratuitous. My comment took into account your explanation and provided the obvious reality that the government is a political animal. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: HM careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass conspiracy thing. The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve nuclear materials because of terrorism. They probably said he wasn't credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on it further. Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that Vaughn just got misquoted. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, Gary Wright? One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows, clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such a big deal about it? I assume the statement was not only paraphrased but taken out of context. It was probably something like: He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true. - Jed
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Hi all As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/ and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view Kind Regards walker On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi? I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream? I would say no, he doesn't. I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that he does not appear credible. I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but unfortunately I do not think it has. If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it. - Jed
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Crazy! On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Ian Walker walker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/ and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view Kind Regards walker On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi? I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream? I would say no, he doesn't. I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that he does not appear credible. I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but unfortunately I do not think it has. If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it. - Jed
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I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials Branch at N.C. Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few questions about the document published by GW. Here’s his answer: - - - - - Mr. Lewan, The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.comhttp://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina. The investigators documented what was said and observed. They reported what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility. We have no further information to share about the alleger. Thank you for your inquiry. David Crowley N.C. Department of Health and Human Services Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation 5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612 1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645 Phone: 919-814-2303 david.crow...@dhhs.nc.govmailto:david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov www.ncradiation.nethttp://www.ncradiation.net www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/ - - - - Mats www.animpossibleinvention.comhttp://www.animpossibleinvention.com Från: Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com] Skickat: den 5 februari 2015 19:20 Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com Ämne: Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc Hi all As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/ and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view Kind Regards walker On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.commailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi? I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream? I would say no, he doesn't. I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that he does not appear credible. I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but unfortunately I do not think it has. If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it. - Jed
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Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted. Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Boom! On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote: I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials Branch at N.C. Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few questions about the document published by GW. Here’s his answer: - - - - - Mr. Lewan, The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina. The investigators documented what was said and observed. They reported what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility. We have no further information to share about the alleger. Thank you for your inquiry. David Crowley N.C. Department of Health and Human Services Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation 5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612 1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645 Phone: 919-814-2303 david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov www.ncradiation.net www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/ - - - - Mats www.animpossibleinvention.com *Från:* Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com] *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2015 19:20 *Till:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Ämne:* Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc Hi all As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/ and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view Kind Regards walker On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi? I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream? I would say no, he doesn't. I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that he does not appear credible. I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but unfortunately I do not think it has. If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it. - Jed
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Hi Mats. Did the guy say how many page the document is? It seems there are missing page. This does not seem like a big deal to me. It seems like the Department of Health is doing its job. - Jed
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Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a government rep. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mats. Did the guy say how many page the document is? It seems there are missing page. This does not seem like a big deal to me. It seems like the Department of Health is doing its job. - Jed
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INteresting quote: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) I emailed NCDH for clarification. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: http://freeenergyscams.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/NCDHHS-Report.pdf
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That is very strange indeed. I doubt that Vaughn would lie or conceal anything. - Original Message - From: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 10:27:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc INteresting quote: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) I emailed NCDH for clarification. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: http://freeenergyscams.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/NCDHHS-Report.pdf
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As far as I know Gary Wright is a pseudonym. He has had a series of more or less bizarre websites. Freeenergyscams.com ownership is covered by privacy protection, as well as Garywright.com and Shutdownrossi.com (which is also run by Wright if I remember right). He’s quite focused on discrediting Rossi, and from time to time he has collaborated with Krivit (described in my book). He seems meticulous in his methods and I wouldn’t believe he is lying. He might not be very objective though, and I suppose he chooses to publish the information that serves his purposes. He once asked the Bureau of Radiation Control at Florida’s State Health Department to make a similar inspection at Rossi’s premises in Florida. They never found any radiation, which wouldn’t surprise anyone since no radiation above background has ever been detected outside the E-Cat, and since radioactive materials are not used. At that occasion Rossi told the inspectors that “no nuclear reactions occur during the process”, which Wright considered to be important news, and he later accused me for not reporting this. In any case, I would be interested to know in what context Vaughn made his statement. Mats www.animpossibleinvention.comhttp://www.animpossibleinvention.com Från: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com] Skickat: den 4 februari 2015 22:37 Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com Ämne: Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc Jed wrote: Why do you say that? These are radiation detection meters. They would find radioactive material if there were any. I was referring to Gary Wright not the investigators. Mr. Wright believes Rossi is a fraud, yet makes a report to instigate an investigation of radioactivity. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.commailto:a...@well.com wrote: My problem is that the 10 people team in North Carolina doesn't seem to exist.
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My problem is that the 10 people team in North Carolina doesn't seem to exist.
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That document seems a bit odd. There is no address at the top for the (pseudonymous?) Gary Wright. It appears to be missing pages by reading the text at the bottom of the first page to the second. In my opinion, he is wasting tax payer money by making these reports to investigators that have no possibility of detecting radioactive material. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: That is very strange indeed. I doubt that Vaughn would lie or conceal anything. -- *From: *Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent: *Wednesday, February 4, 2015 10:27:43 AM *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc INteresting quote: Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase) I emailed NCDH for clarification. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: http://freeenergyscams.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/NCDHHS-Report.pdf
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I encourage everyone to email NCDH and find out what's going on. That statement was a very serious charge considering they are commercial partners. NCDH probably shouldn't have included it, but they did, and now they have to back it up. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:03 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Further to my earlier comment, look at the reference number 2014 -01 Not very likely to be the first job they have had in 2014. The background say freeenergyscams.com that I suppose he will claim shows it is not serious. I have emailed the department, giving the link that shows the letter, in the hope they will do something about it.
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Jed wrote: Why do you say that? These are radiation detection meters. They would find radioactive material if there were any. I was referring to Gary Wright not the investigators. Mr. Wright believes Rossi is a fraud, yet makes a report to instigate an investigation of radioactivity. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: My problem is that the 10 people team in North Carolina doesn't seem to exist.
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Further to my earlier comment, look at the reference number 2014 -01 Not very likely to be the first job they have had in 2014. The background say freeenergyscams.com that I suppose he will claim shows it is not serious. I have emailed the department, giving the link that shows the letter, in the hope they will do something about it.
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Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: That document seems a bit odd. There is no address at the top for the (pseudonymous?) Gary Wright. That is odd. A report of this nature usually includes full names and address. I do not think there is any chance this is fake report. It looks authentic to me. It would be a serious matter if the people at this website or Gary Wright had dummied this up. It appears to be missing pages by reading the text at the bottom of the first page to the second. Yes. The pages are not numbered, but the first page ends abruptly with, . . . MicroR meters and an IdentiFinder . . . Clearly there are missing pages. I do not understand why this web site would delete these pages. In my opinion, he is wasting tax payer money by making these reports to investigators that have no possibility of detecting radioactive material. Why do you say that? These are radiation detection meters. They would find radioactive material if there were any. I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi? I get fed up with him myself at times. He does lack credibility. Of course Vaughn knows far more about him than I do. - Jed
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There is obviously something suspicious about this. If you go to garywright.com there are a few pictures at the top and the words Gary Wright - A verb floating in universe 3 but otherwise no content at all. So it looks like the letter is a spoof. This might have consequencies if Gary Wrigth were an actual known person.
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That office doesn't seem very busy. The complaint was in November, and it's report 2014-1 Needs some investigative journalism ... can you wrangle a trip out of it, Mats?
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Drama orama .. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/ On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: That office doesn't seem very busy. The complaint was in November, and it's report 2014-1 Needs some investigative journalism ... can you wrangle a trip out of it, Mats?
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On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: That document seems a bit odd. There is no address at the top for the (pseudonymous?) Gary Wright. That Gary Wright guy has it out for Rossi. What are the typical legal ramifications under US state/federal law, if any, for filing a complaint under a pseudonym? It was a little bit of a letdown to hear about the manufacturing being in Florida. The details are difficult as ever to pin down on this operation. Eric
