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The fact Rossi is telling the truth is clear and obvious at this point. Your irrational skepticism is what is mysterious. When the E-Cat technology is powering the world I hope you will reveal your true identity, and admit to the fact you trolled forums across the net trying to attack it. Of course you won't, because your not decent enough to do that. From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You don't know and I don't know. I hope we agree that you don't know and I don't know is not support for the idea that Rossi is telling the truth. Otherwise, I will have to bring back my unicorn example again.
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Otherwise, I will have to bring back my unicorn example again. Adjacent to an alien anal probe thread, this triggers imagry of equine agony. Arrgh! T
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A little digging and this comes up: 1) Karl Norwood owns a real estate company named the Norwood Group and the office property at 116 S River Rd, Bedford, NH, belongs to him. http://www.nainorwoodgroup.com/propdocs/116%20South%20River%20Road% 20Building%20A.pdf 2) Karl Norwood is president of Ampenergo. http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/more-details-about-ampenergo-deal-available 3) The legal address of Ampenergo is 116-G S River Rd, Bedford, NH https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?1114558 4) Neither the Leonardo Corporation, nor Ampenergo are listed on the directory at 116 S. River Rd, Bedford, NH. 5) The registered address for the Leonardo Corporation is 8 Town Farm Rd, New Boston, NH. https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?414253 And there's nothing there. 6) The equipment on the website at www.leonardocorp1996.com seems to be something from Bologna, It. http://www.linkedin.com/company/eon-srl So the bottom line is that the Leonardo Corporation seems to be just a paper company. There doesn't seem to be any place in New Hampshire to build e-cats. This doesn't mean that anything sinister is going on. It's just that I had thought that he was building the e-cats here. Craig Haynie Manchester, NH
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: A little digging and this comes up: SNIP This doesn't mean that anything sinister is going on. It's just that I had thought that he was building the e-cats here. Good investigative job. Not sinister maybe but certainly not the same result as finding a factory or huge office. Come to think of it, nobody has ever seen an E-cat factory nor a Defkalion one. Nor has anyone been interviewed who made either the E-cat or the Hyperion. Not sinister perhaps but suspicious, IMO.
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On Nov 26, 2011, at 21:07, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: 5) The registered address for the Leonardo Corporation is 8 Town Farm Rd, New Boston, NH. https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?414253 And there's nothing there. What does this mean? There's no building at the address?
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There is this house. http://maps.google.com.br/maps?q=8+Town+Farm+Rd%0ANew+Boston+NH+03070rls=com.microsoft:en-USoe=utf8rlz=1I7GGLL_pt-BRum=1ie=UTF-8hq=hnear=0x89e233b60cc6dd6f:0x14d6fbb9387b5f2b,8+Town+Farm+Rd,+New+Boston,+NH+03070,+USAgl=brei=ZJ7RTpi5DYG2tweakI2pDQsa=Xoi=geocode_resultct=titleresnum=1ved=0CCgQ8gEwAA 2011/11/27 Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com On Nov 26, 2011, at 21:07, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: 5) The registered address for the Leonardo Corporation is 8 Town Farm Rd, New Boston, NH. https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?414253 And there's nothing there. What does this mean? There's no building at the address? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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He moved his US operation to Miami. We have been through this. If you are really interested, I will find my posts from 10 months ago. The bulk of his work is in Italy to avoid the evil eye of the DOE. Can anyone answer the question of why the DOE even exists? Why was it created? Anyone? Or are all of you too young to remember? If not, did it meet it's goal? Hint: the answer is a resounding NO! It's hell getting old; but, the alternative . . . T
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On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 21:15 -0500, Charles Hope wrote: On Nov 26, 2011, at 21:07, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: 5) The registered address for the Leonardo Corporation is 8 Town Farm Rd, New Boston, NH. https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?414253 And there's nothing there. What does this mean? There's no building at the address? It's the same address as the corporate registration agent, and Google Maps appears to bring up a residence there. Craig
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: 6) The equipment on the website at www.leonardocorp1996.com seems to be something from Bologna, It. It's actually quite funny. Supposedly, this company I never heard of before the Rossi affairs, supposdely sells an appx 500 wK generator inside a 20 foot container! LOL. What a concidence. I guess that's where Rossi got the idea for his so-called megawatt plant. http://www.leonardocorp1996.com/ The text on the site is well... strange. For some reason, it underlines in my browser when I put the cursor on any text and it isn't a link. There are misspellings such as the one in Our mission is to use vegetable oils not destined to be used as human food, non to compete with the world’s necessity to feed People. non should be not and People shouldn't be capitalized... And this: Efficiency is the key-word of our technology: 94 patents cover the technology which makes our gensets the more efficient existing in the world, thanks to a new thermal derived energy we have invented and applied to our modules. This fact allows a payback time of our Gensets in less than 2 years. Really? I doubt it. What could they mean by thermal derived energy? And how to reach them? Headquarters: Leonardo Corporation 116 South River Road Bedford, N.H. 03110 - USA Think you can find some diesel generators for sale there? This gets weirder and weirder... thanks again, Craig.
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: He moved his US operation to Miami. He has a factory in Miami? Where? I might be able to drop by on a trip and get some clandestine photos if you can get a for sure location.
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: He has a factory in Miami? Where? I might be able to drop by on a trip and get some clandestine photos if you can get a for sure location. Well, whether you go to heaven or hell, you have to transfer in Atlanta. Give me a call and I'll buy you lunch. 404-848-6023 T
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The registered address is the physical address for the Agent for the company, which can receive corporate mail on behalf of the corporation. In this case, the agent is Travis, James R, at 8 Town Farm Rd. He is an agent for multiple corporations. Lots of small companies set up a business this way--with a PO box, and, when required, a physical address with an agent. (New laws require a permanent address for officers and agents of the corporation.) Rossi has obvious plans to grow exponentially in the next few years. The process will typically involve multiple moves to larger and larger facilities, as his business needs change. The secret facility that he will use to build e-cats is not likely to be already leased and listed as an official address for the corporation. I'm all for a little snooping around to get corporate intel, but I personally am more interested in where he builds his e-cats, where he is hiring, who he is selling to, and the progress he is making on getting his products out the door and into the hands of consumers.. rather than the tired this is more evidence of fraud crowd. (MY, that would include you.) - Brad
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Map here: http://www.leonardocorp1996.com/dove_eng.htm AG On 11/27/2011 12:37 PM, Craig Haynie wrote: A little digging and this comes up: 1) Karl Norwood owns a real estate company named the Norwood Group and the office property at 116 S River Rd, Bedford, NH, belongs to him. http://www.nainorwoodgroup.com/propdocs/116%20South%20River%20Road% 20Building%20A.pdf 2) Karl Norwood is president of Ampenergo. http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/more-details-about-ampenergo-deal-available 3) The legal address of Ampenergo is 116-G S River Rd, Bedford, NH https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?1114558 4) Neither the Leonardo Corporation, nor Ampenergo are listed on the directory at 116 S. River Rd, Bedford, NH. 5) The registered address for the Leonardo Corporation is 8 Town Farm Rd, New Boston, NH. https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?414253 And there's nothing there. 6) The equipment on the website at www.leonardocorp1996.com seems to be something from Bologna, It. http://www.linkedin.com/company/eon-srl So the bottom line is that the Leonardo Corporation seems to be just a paper company. There doesn't seem to be any place in New Hampshire to build e-cats. This doesn't mean that anything sinister is going on. It's just that I had thought that he was building the e-cats here. Craig Haynie Manchester, NH
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On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 18:28 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: He moved his US operation to Miami. He has a factory in Miami? Where? I might be able to drop by on a trip and get some clandestine photos if you can get a for sure location. The Miami location appears to be an apartment, rented by Rossi. http://tinyurl.com/7bhhhbw http://g.co/maps/ykvcv So he seems to have the corporation set up on paper in at least two states, but hasn't yet started production in America. Craig
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It seems that many e-cat believers have almost a religious attitude towards this topic. Anything that a rational mind would interpret as evidence of the non existence of god (working e-cat) is used by the believer in fact as evidence. The Heaven explained by modern astronomy is not anymore the ethereal world where the souls go and where the angels fly? Of course the real Heaven is in a spiritual dimension. In the case of e-cat we could say that the evidence showing that the corporations associated with Rossi have strange websites, buildings that don't correspond to industrial facilities and so on is for the believer evidence that Rossi is trying to keep his real facilities protected from the evil eyes of all his enemies. The real facilities are in undisclosed real locations , maybe in some Antarctica secret cave, just near by the Nazi's UFO labs. What would take for the believers not to believe any more? G On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:31 PM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: The registered address is the physical address for the Agent for the company, which can receive corporate mail on behalf of the corporation. In this case, the agent is Travis, James R, at 8 Town Farm Rd. He is an agent for multiple corporations. Lots of small companies set up a business this way--with a PO box, and, when required, a physical address with an agent. (New laws require a permanent address for officers and agents of the corporation.) Rossi has obvious plans to grow exponentially in the next few years. The process will typically involve multiple moves to larger and larger facilities, as his business needs change. The secret facility that he will use to build e-cats is not likely to be already leased and listed as an official address for the corporation. I'm all for a little snooping around to get corporate intel, but I personally am more interested in where he builds his e-cats, where he is hiring, who he is selling to, and the progress he is making on getting his products out the door and into the hands of consumers.. rather than the tired this is more evidence of fraud crowd. (MY, that would include you.) - Brad
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People keep bringing old topics to discuss over and over again 2011/11/27 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 18:28 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: He moved his US operation to Miami. He has a factory in Miami? Where? I might be able to drop by on a trip and get some clandestine photos if you can get a for sure location. The Miami location appears to be an apartment, rented by Rossi. http://tinyurl.com/7bhhhbw http://g.co/maps/ykvcv So he seems to have the corporation set up on paper in at least two states, but hasn't yet started production in America. Craig -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: So he seems to have the corporation set up on paper in at least two states, but hasn't yet started production in America. You really don't know that. That is pure speculation. Yes, the registered address is a condominium in Miami; but, who knows what facilities might be involved in production. After all, there is a lot of available labor in that area. T
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: So he seems to have the corporation set up on paper in at least two states, but hasn't yet started production in America. You really don't know that. That is pure speculation. Yes, the registered address is a condominium in Miami; but, who knows what facilities might be involved in production. After all, there is a lot of available labor in that area. Yes Terry. It's usual to assemble a container size megawatt nuclear power plant in a residential condominium.
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Terry. It's usual to assemble a container size megawatt nuclear power plant in a residential condominium. You are so cute! No, they do not assemble reactors in a condominium. However, they *could* oversee manufacturing of components for his products in a nearby warehouse. You don't know and I don't know. Sorta like the the bumper sticker I saw recently of a militant agnostic, I don't know and NEITHER DO YOU! :-) T
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When Bertrand Russell was being jailed in England during WWI for being a pacifist, the admitting officer was puzzled when Russell named his religious affiliation as agnostic -- shrugging, the man said, Never heard of that one, sir -- well, all the same, we all worship the same God... On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Terry. It's usual to assemble a container size megawatt nuclear power plant in a residential condominium. You are so cute! No, they do not assemble reactors in a condominium. However, they *could* oversee manufacturing of components for his products in a nearby warehouse. You don't know and I don't know. Sorta like the the bumper sticker I saw recently of a militant agnostic, I don't know and NEITHER DO YOU! :-) T
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Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: In the case of e-cat we could say that the evidence showing that the corporations associated with Rossi have strange websites . . . Start up companies usually have strange websites. Rossi always has strange websites. That does not prove anything either way. , buildings that don't correspond to industrial facilities and so on is for the believer evidence that Rossi is trying to keep his real facilities protected from the evil eyes of all his enemies. I do not think he is trying to hide facilities from anyone. He does share information about his company much, and he often makes mistakes. When he announced Defkalion, he gave me the wrong name for the company -- which was the name of another company. He set off a 1-week wild goose chase. Finally, we asked him if the name was not Defkalion Green Technologies and he said, oh yes that is the name, sorry I got mixed up. He does that often. What would take for the believers not to believe any more? Believe any more about what? His business plans? I do not believe a thing about them! Ever! Even if he is telling the truth, his plans are subject to change. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, breaking contracts and selling to the military, for example. If you are talking about his experimental results, I will stop believing them when: 1. When Mary Yugo finds a stage magician who can tell us how to fake this, even when the machine is opened up to inspection. 2. Failing that, when the laws of thermodynamics are repealed. - Jed
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On Nov 26, 2011, at 22:32, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: If you are talking about his experimental results, I will stop believing them when: 1. When Mary Yugo finds a stage magician who can tell us how to fake this, even when the machine is opened up to inspection. Opened up to exactly how much inspection?
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: When Bertrand Russell was being jailed in England during WWI for being a pacifist, the admitting officer was puzzled when Russell named his religious affiliation as agnostic -- shrugging, the man said, Never heard of that one, sir -- well, all the same, we all worship the same God... LOL! Good to see you have a sense of humor. Guess what, Ricky Gervais is coming back to the Golden Globe awards next year. I guess they finally get the British sense of humor. Or which, and, on topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng99hnxQmoI T
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2011/11/27 Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com: On Nov 26, 2011, at 22:32, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: If you are talking about his experimental results, I will stop believing them when: 1. When Mary Yugo finds a stage magician who can tell us how to fake this, even when the machine is opened up to inspection. Opened up to exactly how much inspection? Sufficiently, to exclude hidden chemical power sources. If there was hidden fuel, such as thermite or propanol/oxygen mixture, then this would mean that ecat could not weight 100 kg. Therefore relatively small black box (reactor core+lead shielding) that was observed and examined by observes (Rossi unfortunately forbid any pictures and videos from interior) is mostly consisted of solid and dense metal, (such as lead) that cannot be used as chemical fuel. There just was not observed room for chemical heat source. However, what was observed is consistent with the claimed reactor core that is sized 20×20×1 cm³ and is nuclear powered. –Jouni
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@ Jouni Valkonen said: show details 8:56 PM (55 minutes ago) This your religious nonsense, is against the forum rules. I'm not attacking or insulting anybody in particular (differently from you mentioning my life of which you don't knoq anything). But away I have a PhD in Physics and I have taught Physics for 7 years at the college level, if that matters. I'm just making an observation about how people react to some cold facts. There are people that seem to want to believe at any cost that e-cat really works. Sure most of what is brought up about Rossi behavior is circumstantial but you can send people to jail when enough circumstantial evidence is accumulated. Beside the scientific validity of the e-cat, this entire episode is interesting from a social point of view. I don' have anything against the people that have dreams of a better world with clean, abundant energy. It is a dream of all mankind. But, as a scientist I want the truth and I hate, yes hate, scam artists of any type, in particular when they use science as a prop for their egotistical and destructive goals.Rossi is making astounding claims so he should be under intense scrutiny and people should not make continuous justifications for his strange and unprofessional behavior. G On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: When Bertrand Russell was being jailed in England during WWI for being a pacifist, the admitting officer was puzzled when Russell named his religious affiliation as agnostic -- shrugging, the man said, Never heard of that one, sir -- well, all the same, we all worship the same God... LOL! Good to see you have a sense of humor. Guess what, Ricky Gervais is coming back to the Golden Globe awards next year. I guess they finally get the British sense of humor. Or which, and, on topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng99hnxQmoI T
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Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Opened up to exactly how much inspection? Sufficiently, to exclude hidden chemical power sources. If there was hidden fuel, such as thermite or propanol/oxygen mixture . . . Exactly. This is even more the case for the 18-hour test in Feb. That device was easy to look into, and it had a small cell. They did look inside it. - Jed
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Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: But, as a scientist I want the truth and I hate, yes hate, scam artists of any type, in particular when they use science as a prop for their egotistical and destructive goals.Rossi is making astounding claims so he should be under intense scrutiny and people should not make continuous justifications for his strange and unprofessional behavior. 1. He is under intense scrutiny. So far, no one has found any hint of experimental fraud. You have no reason to think he is committing fraud. 2. He is not a scientist so he has no obligation to act like one. Normal behavior for a businessman would be unethical for a scientist, and vice versa. 3. His behavior is not all that strange. In any case, it has no bearing on his experimental results. And it is none of your business. It is a free country. He can act any way he wants. He is under no obligation to meet your standards, mine, or the standards of academic scientists. He has contempt for most academic scientists. He thinks they are trying to steal his ideas. I think some of them are. 4. No one is making justifications for his behavior. McKubre and I have explained it, not excused it. If you do not believe our explanation, that's fine. Take it or leave it. Mary Yugo does not think we have explained it. That's no problem, but she should stop saying no one can explain this or no one has explained this. She should say: I do not believe these explanations. I think McKubre and Rothwell are wrong. - Jed
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Rossi doesn't behave very ethically or in a trustworthy way as a business man either. Plus he is not just a business man, he pretends to be an engineer and what is selling is not a toy or a novel but a technical device to produce energy and as so it has to obey the laws of nature. My position is very simple. If the e-cat would be available for open experimentation what Rossi does or does not would not be relevant in terms of the science and tech of the e-cat. Maybe it would be still an interesting topic because people are also interested in the life of scientists, inventors and technical people. But at the moment we don't have an e-cat available so how Rossi behaves and acts is relevant. This can give clues on the validity of his claims. And what I have seen so far seems the behavior of a scam artist and not somebody that has in his hands one of the most important discoveries in history. Fermi was right when he asked Where are they? when he heard colleagues arguing about the possibility of ET. It is not logical for intelligent beings with interstellar travel capabilities to come here and probe our anuses as their main motivation to do so. It doesn't make sense. Same thing with Rossi. His behavior is not logical for a real inventor or even a serious businessman. Can you mention another bona-fide invention in the history of modern technology that has been marketed in a similar fashion ? I cannot think of any. G On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: But, as a scientist I want the truth and I hate, yes hate, scam artists of any type, in particular when they use science as a prop for their egotistical and destructive goals.Rossi is making astounding claims so he should be under intense scrutiny and people should not make continuous justifications for his strange and unprofessional behavior. 1. He is under intense scrutiny. So far, no one has found any hint of experimental fraud. You have no reason to think he is committing fraud. 2. He is not a scientist so he has no obligation to act like one. Normal behavior for a businessman would be unethical for a scientist, and vice versa. 3. His behavior is not all that strange. In any case, it has no bearing on his experimental results. And it is none of your business. It is a free country. He can act any way he wants. He is under no obligation to meet your standards, mine, or the standards of academic scientists. He has contempt for most academic scientists. He thinks they are trying to steal his ideas. I think some of them are. 4. No one is making justifications for his behavior. McKubre and I have explained it, not excused it. If you do not believe our explanation, that's fine. Take it or leave it. Mary Yugo does not think we have explained it. That's no problem, but she should stop saying no one can explain this or no one has explained this. She should say: I do not believe these explanations. I think McKubre and Rothwell are wrong. - Jed
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You don't know and I don't know. I hope we agree that you don't know and I don't know is not support for the idea that Rossi is telling the truth. Otherwise, I will have to bring back my unicorn example again.
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Sufficiently, to exclude hidden chemical power sources. If there was hidden fuel, such as thermite or propanol/oxygen mixture . . . || Exactly. This is even more the case for the 18-hour test in Feb. That device was easy to look into, and it had a small cell. They did look inside it. Wonderful. I love that test. But the result is poorly documented and the system wasn't calibrated. Levi refused to discuss any details of it when interviewed by Krivit. Actually I don't care about any of that. What I find very highly suspicious is that such a simple and almost unarguable experiment would not have been repeated again and again properly and in public and with documentation. Instead, Rossi did more and more bizarre demos culminating in one that demo'd nothing at all! On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: But, as a scientist I want the truth and I hate, yes hate, scam artists of any type, in particular when they use science as a prop for their egotistical and destructive goals.Rossi is making astounding claims so he should be under intense scrutiny and people should not make continuous justifications for his strange and unprofessional behavior. 1. He is under intense scrutiny. So far, no one has found any hint of experimental fraud. You have no reason to think he is committing fraud. Yes we do. He behaves as a classical fraudster who has taken money from investors, then responded tangentially and irrelevantly and inconsistently to questions and has never done independent replication. It's standard SOP for scammers. So are setup meetings such as the ones with Quantum, NASA and most recently MIT where the inventor stalks off in some pretend huff when he is asked to produced the right evidence and is asked the right questions. 3. His behavior is not all that strange. Are we watching the same behavior? Some of it borders on apparent psychosis including the raves and rants about snakes and clowns. In any case, it has no bearing on his experimental results. And it is none of your business. It is a free country. He can act any way he wants. He is under no obligation to meet your standards, mine, or the standards of academic scientists. Oh right. I forgot Rothwell claims that Rossi succeeds by failing and did all those demos with the intent not to convince anyone. He has contempt for most academic scientists. He thinks they are trying to steal his ideas. I think some of them are. So what? Nobody who wants to test his device is asking him to reveal any secrets. All they are asking is for a black box with an input and an output and for Rossi to stay of anything not in the black box. That would reveal only whether or not the device works. On the other hand, selling 13 copies puts about 1800 modules into the hands of ... someone who would likely be tempted to check out how they work and maybe sell the secrets to the highest bidder. Otherwise, why buy the thing? To heat a few dozen installations? 4. No one is making justifications for his behavior. McKubre and I have explained it, not excused it. If you do not believe our explanation, that's fine. Take it or leave it. Mary Yugo does not think we have explained it. That's no problem, but she should stop saying no one can explain this or no one has explained this. She should say: I do not believe these explanations. I think McKubre and Rothwell are wrong. Happy to. I think Rothwell is wrong. McKubre is I heard him right was way more careful. He made no commitment about the Rossi's likely veracity and in fact joked lightly about his colorful background.\
