RE: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
At least the thermocouples were placed by the company’s engineer and not Rossi... -mark
Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
... ROSSI SAID ... (as usual) 2011/10/29 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net At least the thermocouples were placed by the company’s engineer and not Rossi... -mark
[Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
I wrote to Mats Lewan: It is disappointing that you were not allowed to make measurements and that we do not know if these engineers were truly from another company. They might be Rossi's employees. However, you may have been able to make first-principle observations that confirm the claim even without instruments. You were able to do that during the Oct. 6 test. It depends on how much you could see, and how long you had. I have heard you had only a few minutes . . . If you can confirm that the input power was off, and that a great deal of heat was being blow out by those large fans at the radiators, I expect that would be proof of anomalous heat. Did you get a chance to see a power meter showing no input? Was the power line unplugged? (I doubt that it was.) Were you able to feel a blast of hot air from the fans? . . . His response: I’m sorry, I couldn’t confirm any of this. I wanted to, but I didn’t manage. My comments: That is a shame. Once again, Rossi has been given a golden opportunity to make his case, and once again, he has only managed to make himself look like a crook. I predict that no one outside our circle will take this report seriously. I also predict this will upset Rossi. Most of the public will continue to believe this is a gigantic scam. That is a shame. Some people speculate that Rossi want things this way. He wants the public to remain doubtful. I do not think he does. I think he simply does not understand how to convince people, or he does not care what anyone thinks. I expect this test was legitimate, and those engineers were actually independent. I expect they were from Manutencoop Facility Management. However, there is no proof of that. It would not be difficult to leave the generator going and make this entire test a fake. As Terry Blanton points out, this would be the most expensive and elaborate fake in the history of energy. If you are going to put on a fake show, why not make it 10 kW? The polite skeptics will say the Rossi presented no irrefutable proof of this claims. I have to agree. He might have easily done this, but he choose not too. The Oct. 6 demonstration was more convincing strictly from the fact that it produced first-principle proof that can be confirmed by observations alone, without instruments. (The impolite skeptics have already said this is an obvious scam.) I predicted that the instrumentation in this test would be inadequate if Rossi is in charge. I do not know who was in charge, but as it turned out, we have no clear idea what instruments were used, which is even worse. I take those documents seriously, but I cannot fully trust them without knowing who those people are and what company they are affiliated with. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
I wrote: I take those documents seriously, but I cannot fully trust them without knowing who those people are and what company they are affiliated with. Needless to say, if you believe those documents, it is an open and shut case. There is no chance of a measurement error. I do, actually, believe them but I admit this test could be construed as a gigantic and expensive fraud. I will grant there is a slight chance of that. There is no independent proof the documents are real. If you are expecting the world to wake up tomorrow believing this, you will be disappointed. However, large numbers of serious people with serious money will believe it, as much as I do (with only minor reservations). I have heard from a number of them. That's good news. At this stage we need people with barrels of money more than we need public support. We will need support later on. So, all in all, this was a positive event, and it will help cold fusion. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
This test has been a colossal disappointment. I was hoping for good, reliable, superior calorimetry, and something decisive. When it began, I was concerned about the steam output being recirculated and never actually observed. Any measured output over 100C would be considered complete vaporization, ignoring the fact that it could be 99.9% water outflow at a slightly elevated boiling point. This would make the idiotic phase-change calorimetry problems come full circle. Instead, we in the Peanut Gallery must do exactly what Rossi has always said. We must wait for the only real evidence that he wants to give us: his satisfied customers. Alas, the best I can do is follow Jed's suggestion, and be polite: Rossi did not produce any irrefutable proof in this demonstration. If there is indeed a real customer, and that customer was indeed convinced, then good for Rossi. If, on the other hand, this is a scam, then a pox on his house (even if he has sold it).
Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: This test has been a colossal disappointment. I know Rossi pretty well by now, so I was expecting something like this. Given who Rossi is and how he thinks, this wasn't a colossal disappointment. You have to remember, he was under no obligation to let anyone in, or tell anyone about it. He did us a favor by letting us see it at a distance. By his lights, he did. Some good things may come of this, fairly soon. I think it will have a positive impact. Be of good cheer. Instead, we in the Peanut Gallery must do exactly what Rossi has always said. We must wait for the only real evidence that he wants to give us: his satisfied customers. Maybe not. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
2011/10/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Needless to say, if you believe those documents, it is an open and shut case. There is no chance of a measurement error. One thing to note that the contract was formulated that it explicitly stated that heat was originated from cold fusion reaction. Therefore, if Rossi gets money and it turns out to be hoax (either falsified instruments for measuring input power or hidden power source which was not discovered in October 6th), then it may be considered as a breach for the contract and the Customer may require full monetary compensation. However neither this test nor the contract did not give any evidence or requirements for long term performance. Therefore, if this is the most elaborated hoax in history (of free energy), certainly Rossi is doing it for the sake pleasure to fool people. However, it is sad that the method Rossi is doing these things, just reeks out for a scam. Always too short demonstrations with limited output, and because they are not independently validated by scientists, then there is noway that it could be convincing demonstration for the wide audience. –Jouni Ps. There is still lights in the tunnel, because the research contract with Bologna University should start immediately.
