RE: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.
Good find Lou! Definitely beats paying the journal Nature for info which was funded by my tax dollars! -mark -Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com [mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:21 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons. This is an interesting effect. I believe the full text (daunting reading) preprint is available at -- http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1206/1206.3145.pdf I am no expert on this, but my impression is that the heavy quasi-particles described only exist at relatively low energies, and probably dissipate quickly in high temperatures, and also are subject to dynamical constraints. I would be surprised if they could couple to a proton and form anything analogous to muonic hydrogen. -- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.
Entanglement is hard to understand. Here is my take on what this article says. When subatomic particles become entangled, they essentially share the same matter wave form. It is like a group of people who decide to poll their money in a bank in a joint account where any of these people can withdraw this pool of money if they want to. In this same way, these quantum particles(QP) can share all their quantum properties, including mass, energy, charge, and spin. I specify a QP instead of electrons because the proton can behave in the same way since the laws of quantum mechanics makes no distinction among the various types of subatomic particles. Just like in a joint bank account that grows large as more depositors join the account, the matter wave form is amplified by the number of particles that donate their wealth into the joint kitty. What the referenced article states is surprising. One QP can stay at home and live frugally taking very little energy out of the common account to orbit an atom, but one of his twins is off zipping around using a large amount of the joint energy account in going fast, living large, and getting heavy. In terms of LENR it can go the other way where the grope of quantum depositors in the joint account can share in the windfall of a lucky member. An entangled QP( say a proton) can slip into a nucleus with its coulomb barrier down in a cold fusion process and gain a large amount of energy. But all of the members of the entangled group can spend that gamma ray sized energy windfall in smaller chunks of x-ray photons. If the number of members of the group is large, the energy is spent in small thermal packets. But sometimes thinks can get gummed up as follows: “Adjusting the crystal composition or structure can be used to tune the degree of entanglement and the heaviness of electrons. Make the electrons too heavy and they freeze into a magnetized state, stuck at each atom in the crystal while spinning in unison. But tweaking the crystal composition so that the electrons have just the right amount of entanglement turns these heavy electrons into superconductors when they are cooled.” This also happens in LENR. When thing go wrong, and the crystal composition is not right, the gamma rays produced by fusion are not transformed or thermalized by QM entanglement. This is why superconductivity and LENR act in similar ways and use the same basic QM tricks. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:56 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: FYI: ** ** “Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons…” ** ** Popular article here: “Got mass? Scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy” http://phys.org/news/2012-06-mass-scientists-electrons-heavy-speedy.html** ** ** ** Abstract here: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v486/n7402/full/nature11204.html ** ** Is mainstream science finally catching up to LENR??? Would this enhance electron capture in hydrogen-loaded metal lattices? -Mark Iverson ** **
Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: “Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons…” In the matter of Widom and Larsen, some fun numbers: mass proton: 938 MeV mass electron: 511 MeV mass muon: 105.6 MeV (mass proton) / (mass electron): 1836.153 (mass proton) / (mass muon): 8.88 (mass proton) / (1000 * mass electron): 1.84 From the Wikipedia article on muon-catalyzed fusion: If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207 times closer together than in a normal molecule. Maybe you don't need neutron formation -- I wonder if one of these heavy neutrons from the Nature article could replace an electron in a hydrogen atom and remain heavy. Would you then get something along the lines of Hydrinos without them being Hydrinos? Eric
Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.
Sorry -- mis-transcription. That's 511 KeV for the electron. Eric On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: “Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons…” In the matter of Widom and Larsen, some fun numbers: mass proton: 938 MeV mass electron: 511 MeV mass muon: 105.6 MeV (mass proton) / (mass electron): 1836.153 (mass proton) / (mass muon): 8.88 (mass proton) / (1000 * mass electron): 1.84 From the Wikipedia article on muon-catalyzed fusion: If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207 times closer together than in a normal molecule. Maybe you don't need neutron formation -- I wonder if one of these heavy neutrons from the Nature article could replace an electron in a hydrogen atom and remain heavy. Would you then get something along the lines of Hydrinos without them being Hydrinos? Eric
Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: From the Wikipedia article on muon-catalyzed fusion: If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207 times closer together than in a normal molecule. Maybe you don't need neutron formation -- I wonder if one of these heavy neutrons from the Nature article could replace an electron in a hydrogen atom and remain heavy. Would you then get something along the lines of Hydrinos without them being Hydrinos? heavy electrons from the Nature article, obviously. It's all tyops today. Eric
Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.
It seems to me that the heavy or ---identically--- the speedy electrons cannot be confined to orbit an atom; they need the wide open spaces of the open lattice to show off their speed. Only low energy electrons can orbit atoms. The referenced articles do not talk about neutrons, just electrons. In the spirit of the WL theory, I think that very low energy quantum particles get involved with atoms and this would include gently easing into nuclei during cold fusion. Hot fusion means fast quantum particles; cold fusion means very slow quantum particles. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: From the Wikipedia article on muon-catalyzed fusion: If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207 times closer together than in a normal molecule. Maybe you don't need neutron formation -- I wonder if one of these heavy neutrons from the Nature article could replace an electron in a hydrogen atom and remain heavy. Would you then get something along the lines of Hydrinos without them being Hydrinos? heavy electrons from the Nature article, obviously. It's all tyops today. Eric
Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.
This is an interesting effect. I believe the full text (daunting reading) preprint is available at -- http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1206/1206.3145.pdf I am no expert on this, but my impression is that the heavy quasi-particles described only exist at relatively low energies, and probably dissipate quickly in high temperatures, and also are subject to dynamical constraints. I would be surprised if they could couple to a proton and form anything analogous to muonic hydrogen. -- Lou Pagnucco Eric Walker wrote: Sorry -- mis-transcription. That's 511 KeV for the electron. Eric On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: âElectrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electronsâ¦â In the matter of Widom and Larsen, some fun numbers: mass proton: 938 MeV mass electron: 511 MeV mass muon: 105.6 MeV (mass proton) / (mass electron): 1836.153 (mass proton) / (mass muon): 8.88 (mass proton) / (1000 * mass electron): 1.84 From the Wikipedia article on muon-catalyzed fusion: If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207 times closer together than in a normal molecule. Maybe you don't need neutron formation -- I wonder if one of these heavy neutrons from the Nature article could replace an electron in a hydrogen atom and remain heavy. Would you then get something along the lines of Hydrinos without them being Hydrinos? Eric
Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.
“Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons…” Caution…Mass is condensed matter physics is different from mass as it appears in other physics. Effective mass of electron When an electron is moving inside a solid material, the force between other atoms will affect its movement and it will not be described by Newton's law. So we introduce the concept of effective mass to describe the movement of electron in Newton's law. The effective mass can be negative or different due to circumstances. Generally, in the absence of an electric or magnetic field, the concept of effective mass does not apply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_mass_(solid-state_physics) Cheers: Axil On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: “Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons…” In the matter of Widom and Larsen, some fun numbers: mass proton: 938 MeV mass electron: 511 MeV mass muon: 105.6 MeV (mass proton) / (mass electron): 1836.153 (mass proton) / (mass muon): 8.88 (mass proton) / (1000 * mass electron): 1.84 From the Wikipedia article on muon-catalyzed fusion: If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207 times closer together than in a normal molecule. Maybe you don't need neutron formation -- I wonder if one of these heavy neutrons from the Nature article could replace an electron in a hydrogen atom and remain heavy. Would you then get something along the lines of Hydrinos without them being Hydrinos? Eric
