Re: [Vo]:Where's Rossi and other simple questions...
Brad, all your questions have a very simple and straight answer www.santaclaushouse.com http://www.santaclaushouse.com/about.asp [?] 2011/8/29 ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com With October fast approaching, I have some easy questions: Where is Rossi right now? Where is his lab/factory that is producing E-cats for the 1MW test? 360.gif
Re: [Vo]:Where's Rossi and other simple questions...
Cyber sabotage is now very sophisticated and effective. Even secret US government projects have been penetrated to the point where the penitrated projects are rendered useless; they require redesign or sometimes even cancellation. The type of information that has been asked for in this post is the stating point for a cyber- treat called Spear Phishing. In general, Spear Phishing is an e-mail spoofing fraud attempt that targets a specific organization, seeking unauthorized access to confidential data. Spear phishing attempts are not typically initiated by random hackers but are more likely to be conducted by perpetrators out for financial gain, trade secrets or military information. As with the e-mail messages used in regular phishing expeditions, spear phishing messages appear to come from a trusted source. Thus the need for this info as follows from the referenced post: “*How many people are working in the factory/lab?* *Who is doing the hiring, engineering, plumbing, safety checks,* *security, office admin, etc?* *Has anyone seen help wanted ads from Rossi and/or Defkalion?* *(Clicking Job Positions on http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ leads* *to a 404 error.)* *What are some names and backgrounds of newly hired people working on* *the E-Cats?* *Nobody has a friend of a friend who is working this? No leaks by* *employees? Does this suggest military level secrecy?* *Seems like Rossi would be getting lots of offers to help work on his* *invention -- Do we know of anyone who is actually working along side* *Rossi?”* In the case of spear phishing, the apparent source of the e-mail is likely to be an individual within the recipient's own company and generally someone in a position of authority. For example, a visiting West Point teacher and National Security Agency expert Aaron Ferguson calls it the colonel effect. To illustrate his point, Ferguson sent out a message to 500 cadets asking them to click a link to verify grades. Ferguson's message appeared to come from a Colonel Robert Melville of West Point. Over 80% of recipients clicked the link in the message. In response, they received a notification that they'd been duped and warning that their behavior could have resulted in downloads of spyware, Trojan horse s and/or other malware. Most people have learned to be suspicious of unexpected requests for confidential information and will not divulge personal data in response to e-mail messages or click on links in messages unless they are positive about the source. The success of spear phishing depends upon three things: The apparent source must appear to be a known and trusted individual, there is information within the message that supports its validity, and the request the individual makes seems to have a logical basis. Here's one version of a spear phishing attack: The perpetrator finds a web page for their target organization that supplies contact information for the company. Thus the need for this info as specified by the referenced post as follows: “*Wouldn't it be easy for someone to follow him from his apartment to* *the factory? Give an address, count cars in the parking lot, etc?* *How many people are working in the factory/lab?* *Who is doing the hiring, engineering, plumbing, safety checks,* *security, office admin, etc?”* Using available details to make the message seem authentic, the perpetrator drafts an e-mail to an employee on the contact page that appears to come from an individual who might reasonably request confidential information, such as a network administrator. The email asks the employee to log into a bogus page that requests the employee's user name and password or click on a link that will download spyware or other malicious programming. If a single employee falls for the spear phisher's ploy, the attacker can masquerade as that individual and use social engineering techniques to gain further access to sensitive data. Rossi should go totally black, drop out of sight, and not use e-mail or computers in his interface to his secret sponsors. If the US military is routinely compromised, Rossi is dead meat. See “Breaching Defense Contractor Data” for more background http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?channel=defenseid=news/dti/2011/09/01/DT_09_01_2011_p52-356943.xmlheadline=Breaching%20Defense%20Contractor%20Datanext=0 On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: With October fast approaching, I have some easy questions: Where is Rossi right now? Where is his lab/factory that is producing E-cats for the 1MW test? Wouldn't it be easy for someone to follow him from his apartment to the factory? Give an address, count cars in the parking lot, etc? How many people are working in the factory/lab? Who is doing the hiring, engineering, plumbing, safety checks, security, office admin, etc? Has anyone seen help wanted ads from Rossi and/or Defkalion? (Clicking Job Positions on
Re: [Vo]:Where's Rossi and other simple questions...
Hey Axil, Yes, I want inside information.. but purely out of curiosity. My financial interest is about $2000 in replication attempt costs, and the hundreds of hours I've spent learning about the E-Cat. A few people on this list know my true occupation (software developer) and that I'm not a corporate/international spy. Back in the dot com stock market days, investors would look at the parking lot of a company they were interested in investing in. Are people coming in early and leaving late? Working on weekends? That might suggest highly motivated workers working on something big. That kind of information would be pretty easy for someone in FL to get... and would simply help us figure out whether this darn mystery is for real or not. Talking to someone at the Xanthi Police Academy about waste heat received from Defkalion would also be interesting.. Is it steam? How much? What do they use it for? Is it generating heat now? 24/7? This kind of information is not an international trade secret.. but just a simple conversation with the HVAC guy at the police academy might be very interesting. I am all for Rossi making his billions... but my main interest is to see the world have access to cheap and limitless energy... and what that would mean for the future. - Brad
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The Job Positions link on the main page seems to be working fine to me. What I cannot do is asking inquires to Defkalion since it asks me to refresh the page every time I type submit.
Re: [Vo]:Where's Rossi and other simple questions...
ecat builder wrote: With October fast approaching, I have some easy questions: Where is Rossi right now? Where is his lab/factory that is producing E-cats for the 1MW test? Wouldn't it be easy for someone to follow him from his apartment to the factory? Give an address, count cars in the parking lot, etc? How many people are working in the factory/lab? Who is doing the hiring, engineering, plumbing, safety checks, security, office admin, etc? Has anyone seen help wanted ads from Rossi and/or Defkalion? (Clicking Job Positions on http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ leads to a 404 error.) What are some names and backgrounds of newly hired people working on the E-Cats? . . . Unless you are a stockholder I don't see how this is any of your business. Technical issues such as the performance, specifications and safety of the eCat will have to be made public before the machines can be sold. Such things are your business. They are everyone's business. You cannot sell commercial products in the United States, the EU or Japan without telling people how they work and without first submitting them to safety regulatory agencies for testing and licensing. The questions here, however, have nothing to do with technical issues. They are just nosy. I wouldn't answer any of them if I were Rossi. - Jed
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: You cannot sell commercial products in the United States, the EU or Japan without telling people how they work and without first submitting them to safety regulatory agencies for testing and licensing. In the US, approval will be required from the Underwriter's Laboratory, a private firm. I am presently working on a $40M ARRA Fire Protection Project which requires all equipment to be UL approved. Getting UL approval on a Rossi eCat will be a multi-year effort. I assume his client in the US is someone who does not require such approval. You can count those on the fingers of half a hand. T
Re: [Vo]:Where's Rossi and other simple questions...
What are those? 2011/8/29 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Getting UL approval on a Rossi eCat will be a multi-year effort. I assume his client in the US is someone who does not require such approval. You can count those on the fingers of half a hand. T
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What are those? Those what? Installations which require no UL approval? Come on, Rocha, you can figure that out. UL.com. T
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Jed, I don't think it hurts to ask a few softball questions here in hopes that there is some insider information available. I don't expect Rossi to answer here. (Otherwise I'd write to his blog, which he is great about responding to people's non-confidential questions.) This is just standard gossip magazine level questions... People Magazine spends more time/money investigating Justin Bieber each week than I see being spent determining the extent of Rossi's $500T discovery. And pretty much every person on the planet may end up being financially impacted by such a discovery... Daniel, not sure why, but I get a clicking Job Positions on http://defkalion-energy.com/ goes to http://defkalion-energy.com/job-position which is a 404. Again, not my business that the web site has problems, but does seem like having a working site would lead to better hiring, PR, corporate communications, etc. - Brad
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No, I cannot figure out. I am not completely with everything from USA.
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Re: [Vo]:Where's Rossi and other simple questions...
Brad wrote: «People Magazine spends more time/money investigating Justin Bieber each week than I see being spent determining the extent of Rossi's $500T discovery. And pretty much every person on the planet may end up being financially impacted by such a discovery...» This is all the reason why Rossi wants to tarnish his own reputation by creating dubious demonstrations and acting like a paranoid lunatic fearing evil snakes who want to tarnish his reputation and steal the technology! I am now 98% sure that Rossi invited Krivit to Bologna to see a dummy E-Cat, so that he would tarnish Rossi's reputation by making 201 page special issue on debunking E-Cat. It was quite successful antivenin against mass media attention. —Jouni
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Hi, On 30-8-2011 0:39, Daniel Rocha wrote: What are those? 2011/8/29 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com Getting UL approval on a Rossi eCat will be a multi-year effort. I assume his client in the US is someone who does not require such approval. You can count those on the fingers of half a hand. I suggest, think which bodies can write their own standards and specs; there are not that many who have can. Kind regards, MoB
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You cannot sell commercial products in the United States, the EU or Japan without telling people how they work and without first submitting them to safety regulatory agencies for testing and licensing. In the US, approval will be required from the Underwriter's Laboratory, a private firm. Them too. I had in mind government regulatory agencies, but UL approval is also required de facto. Strictly speaking, I believe it is legal to sell a product without UL approval, but no wholesale or retail supplier would think of stocking it. You could not install an unapproved appliance in a house or building and have it pass code. The building inspectors would see it is not on their approved list and would not let anyone occupy the building. UL is private organization because its original purpose (still ongoing) is to provide standards and information to the insurance companies (underwriters). They want to know if it is safe to write a policy on your house, or whether Wall-mart can sell an electric fan and not get sued because it electrocutes a customer or causes a fire. They will have to test many commercial prototype Rossi devices, extensively, before they can make that determination. Also, as I have pointed out here, I have seen the UL application forms. Another cold fusion researcher once got them, and consulted with Gene Mallove about it. You have to tell them exactly what every single component and material in the device is, and where you purchased the raw materials. You cannot say there is a powder made of nickel and two other mystery elements which is a trade secret. They will want to know to the nearest 0.01% what the other two elements are. They will want test samples of the powder for toxicity and fire hazard. So will a dozen federal agencies. Maybe 50 state agencies would too; I do not know know how that works. In the 21st century, trade secrets based on keeping the physical content secret are simply not allowed. Getting UL approval on a Rossi eCat will be a multi-year effort. Yup. I assume his client in the US is someone who does not require such approval. You can count those on the fingers of half a hand. All friends of Uncle Sam. However, you could probably sell a few thousand machines in the U.S. to various laboratories that will not use them for commercial purposes. I mean national labs, university and corporate labs. They are allowed to install and use experimental equipment that has not passed UL or other safety inspections. They have many cold fusion reactors now, none of which has passed inspection. Some of them are dangerous, in my opinion. Plus as I said, you would have to prepare dozens of devices for UL and various agencies, and 50 more if individual states got involved. The UL and the agencies do not pay you for the prototypes. On the contrary, they charge you a ton of money to do the tests and issue the UL Approval. As they should, of course. Some people here have said it is a shame that regulators and safety inspections may delay the introduction of cold fusion. I think it is certain they will delay this, and getting these inspections will surely costs hundreds of millions of dollars to the companies the manufacture the devices. I think it is a shame that it will be delayed. But I have read the history of commerce, and I know what it was like in the bad old days before we had strict standards, inspections, the UL and the rest. You wouldn't want to go back to that world. People have romantic notions about how great things were before the modern red tape and millions of pages of regulations about every product in sight were issued. Especially nowadays Republican politicians wax nostalgic about it. There are people, for example, who complain that we are not free to drink un-pasteurized milk. Two things: 1. They are wrong. You can buy it at some health food stores, including one near my house. 2. That's a good way to get severe food poisoning, which is sometimes bad enough to permanently destroy your health, or even kill you. My great-grandmother's memoirs describe one of her babies who died from un-pasteurized milk around 1906. Milk was not pasteurized in New York City until 1917, thanks to opposition by the dairy industry. From the 1860s pasteurization to that time, hundreds of thousands of babies, small children and some adults perished from this. There have always been loads of red tape and regulations, albeit not as effective as modern ones. In the 18th and 19th centuries an inn could stack 2 or 3 people to a bed, but the amount of money they charged per night and the content and weight of the meals they served were strictly regulated. Uniform, dull, bad tasting, bad-for-you, regulated American road food was invented 250 years before MacDonald's was founded. In Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, carpenters and builders had to meet strict standards when constructing houses and barns or they would be run out of town on a rail
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Them too. I had in mind government regulatory agencies, but UL approval is also required de facto. There is also Factory Mutual; however, my experience is that they are even more stringent. Then again, there are the restrictions in San Francisco and Chicago, two cities who have experienced, er, flaming renewals. Their AHJ's (Authority Having Jurisdiction) can require special testing beyond UL, FMC and CSA (the Canadian tester). There are customers who are not necessarily friends of Uncle Sam. Applications exist whereby the threat to life and property is irrelevant; but, while being commercial, their market is limited. These can include utilities and operations whose exposure levels are self insured. Banks and insurance companies rule he world. T
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My guess on what's going on is something similar to Dean Kamen's 1kW water purifier which will use any fuel including animal dung to provide electricity by night and potable water by day using his Stirling engine. Rossi mentioned the US partner wanted to use his invention for humanitarian reasons. This would fit in nicely with people like Kamen, the Gates Foundation and even Serge and Larry to provide improvements in the life of the third world. In these countries, many lives could be saved daily with his energy source. Safety and regulatory issues be damned. If you were Steve Jobs, isn't this the type of legacy you would want to leave: iDie vs. iLive? Apple has more money than the US government. T
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Oh, I forgot to mention that the agreement with DGT would have to be negated in order to Save the Third World. They owned the rights according to what we have read. Not a bad choice, IMO. It would eventually propagate to US and Europe after the $2T (or more) of oil is pumped out of the ground, a prerequisite for any new energy technology to succeed. T
