Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Andreas Mantke: Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 19:02:42 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: For usability, I'd prefer not to have a default here. Otherwise, people may overlook the field and it might well happen that someone uploads an extension that gets tagged as GPL but actually has (within the OXT file) a totally different license. I changed the field, in which the contributor choose the license, from drop down to radio format. I added also a warning text to the description of the field: http://andreasmaooo.blogger.de/stories/1848120/ Thanks Andreas, this is a significant improvement: sloppy authors will now have to be aware of that field. It's unfortunate that something released with the same license as the LibreOffice new files cannot be uploaded properly due to the need to choose only one license, but limitations due to the tools (something that I cannot understand in general) will maybe be overcome in future. Coming to the contents, I have 3 questions about your screenshot: - Freeware will block the upload, right? I.e., if someone chooses Freeware then the extension submission will be refused. - Why is Commercial License in the list? GPL, LGPL and the other options listed are (also) commercial licenses, so it's redundant. - I don't really want to start any discussions about this, but I'm not aware of a large number of extensions distributed under the Zope Public License while I would, say, expect that there will be extensions contributed under the Apache License. Of course the Apache License can fit in the category of Approved by OSI and Approved by FSF, but maybe it deserves its own option. If this has already been examined, just ignore it. The first extension I'm going to contribute is under GPLv3 anyway... Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Andrea, *, Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 19:02:42 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 24/06/2011 Andreas Mantke wrote: the license has to be specified for every release inside the project. The default license is GPL, if the author don't change. (Resending, it seems it was not delivered... sorry if you get it twice) For usability, I'd prefer not to have a default here. Otherwise, people may overlook the field and it might well happen that someone uploads an extension that gets tagged as GPL but actually has (within the OXT file) a totally different license. that would be a feature, but currently there is only the option to choose from a drop down menu with a default value. We can decide which license should be displayed as the default value in the menu. Shall we change the default value to another license? Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On 06/27/2011 11:28 AM, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Andrea, *, Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 19:02:42 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 24/06/2011 Andreas Mantke wrote: the license has to be specified for every release inside the project. The default license is GPL, if the author don't change. (Resending, it seems it was not delivered... sorry if you get it twice) For usability, I'd prefer not to have a default here. Otherwise, people may overlook the field and it might well happen that someone uploads an extension that gets tagged as GPL but actually has (within the OXT file) a totally different license. that would be a feature, but currently there is only the option to choose from a drop down menu with a default value. We can decide which license should be displayed as the default value in the menu. Shall we change the default value to another license? As a workaround, could we set the default value to Please Select or something similar? -Craig -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Craig, *, Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 20:35:38 schrieb C. Olofson: On 06/27/2011 11:28 AM, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Andrea, *, Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 19:02:42 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 24/06/2011 Andreas Mantke wrote: the license has to be specified for every release inside the project. The default license is GPL, if the author don't change. (Resending, it seems it was not delivered... sorry if you get it twice) For usability, I'd prefer not to have a default here. Otherwise, people may overlook the field and it might well happen that someone uploads an extension that gets tagged as GPL but actually has (within the OXT file) a totally different license. that would be a feature, but currently there is only the option to choose from a drop down menu with a default value. We can decide which license should be displayed as the default value in the menu. Shall we change the default value to another license? As a workaround, could we set the default value to Please Select or something similar? Currently we can't set it to such an entry. We had to set a license as default value. If we want to change this (in the future), we had to create an enhancement to Plone Software Center and get this into the community repository of Plone collective. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Craig, *, Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 20:35:38 schrieb C. Olofson: On 06/27/2011 11:28 AM, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Andrea, *, Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 19:02:42 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 24/06/2011 Andreas Mantke wrote: the license has to be specified for every release inside the project. The default license is GPL, if the author don't change. (Resending, it seems it was not delivered... sorry if you get it twice) For usability, I'd prefer not to have a default here. Otherwise, people may overlook the field and it might well happen that someone uploads an extension that gets tagged as GPL but actually has (within the OXT file) a totally different license. that would be a feature, but currently there is only the option to choose from a drop down menu with a default value. We can decide which license should be displayed as the default value in the menu. Shall we change the default value to another license? As a workaround, could we set the default value to Please Select or something similar? Currently we can't set it to such an entry. We had to set a license as default value. If we want to change this (in the future), we had to create an enhancement to Plone Software Center and get this into the community repository of Plone collective. Thanks for the clarification Andreas. The only other workaround I can think of is if this option can be set as required, meaning that the registrant has to select one (regardless of the default value shown). -Craig -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Craig, *, Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 21:42:45 schrieb Craig Olofson: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Craig, *, Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 20:35:38 schrieb C. Olofson: (...) As a workaround, could we set the default value to Please Select or something similar? Currently we can't set it to such an entry. We had to set a license as default value. If we want to change this (in the future), we had to create an enhancement to Plone Software Center and get this into the community repository of Plone collective. Thanks for the clarification Andreas. The only other workaround I can think of is if this option can be set as required, meaning that the registrant has to select one (regardless of the default value shown). I think a howto for extension- / template submitters will help a lot. I hope to get a volunteer, who jump in and write an explanation ;-) Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Christian, *, Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 02:35:09 schrieb Christian Lohmaier: Hi Andreas, *, On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote: The new site is currently available at http://kermit.documentfoundation.org:9089/LibreOffice-Extensions-and-Temp lates/ There is currently no content inside this new site (no extensions or templates) and only a placeholder home page. There is a dummy-entry now and that makes me complain loudly: http://kermit.documentfoundation.org:9089/LibreOffice-Extensions-and-Templa tes/libreoffice-extensions-center/test-2 * No Licence specified → This absolutely must be mandatory for the repo! License is hidden in the read more for the specific release, but not right in front. * Same for Author/Provider/Publisher I will look in this later. If you have license by release, make it part of the table on the description page please. And also provide it on the search results page. This is very relevant information after all. Screenshots are free-form editable in the description text? (you definitely need to be able to provide screenshots/a logo) This is posible. I added a logo and a screenshot and had to look into it later, why the screenshot is not displayed yet. And the self-certification points are very, very vague. What is the reason behind it? Why have them at all? It is the default of Plone Software Center yet. We can change the categories. I want to discuss this here. The developer of the extension surely follows his own coding standards → checked The extension works on his own computer, he can install and uninstall → checked End-user documentation? Heck my extension is so simple it doesn't need documentation :-) I showed this list here to engage you (and otheres) to provide better categories ;-) Unit Tests? What user will know what that is supposed to mean... Internationalized... Probably means UI is available in the following languages... for most part, no real i18n... There is no description about the categories available. We had to define our own categories and describe them. So there' no relevant info for the end-user IMHO. That's what we should improve together. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Marc, *, Am Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2011, 07:05:42 schrieb Marc Paré: (...) There had been an earlier attempt at registering templates through a wiki page that I helped put together along with different categories. Could you take a look at it and see if any are worth using?[1] There are some templates registered on this wiki page. I had a look. There are only some categories that are filled with content and there is no description of the content that should go under any of these categories. It would be good to have every thing in the table on the wiki-page about the extension- site. We had also to thing about the best ordering of the categories inside the new extensions-templates-site. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Marc, *, Am Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2011, 09:48:03 schrieb Andreas Mantke: Hi Marc, *, Am Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2011, 07:05:42 schrieb Marc Paré: (...) There had been an earlier attempt at registering templates through a wiki page that I helped put together along with different categories. Could you take a look at it and see if any are worth using?[1] There are some templates registered on this wiki page. I had a look. There are only some categories that are filled with content and there is no description of the content that should go under any of these categories. It would be good to have every thing in the table on the wiki-page about the extension- site. We had also to thing about the best ordering of the categories inside the new extensions-templates-site. addition: I copied the categories from [1] to the new wiki-site: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions-website#Categories_for_templates There are the descriptions (short and long) missing yet. Feel free to jump in and add this and maybe reorder the categories. I'll put them into the new Repo-Website then. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi all, Am Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2011, 10:12:10 schrieb Andreas Mantke: (...) addition: I copied the categories from [1] to the new wiki-site: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions-website#Categories_for_templa tes There are the descriptions (short and long) missing yet. Feel free to jump in and add this and maybe reorder the categories. I'll put them into the new Repo-Website then. there were some contributions in the meantime ;-) I put them into the extensions-part of the site. The listing is a bit longer now. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-23 16:25, Andreas Mantke a écrit : Hi all, Am Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2011, 10:12:10 schrieb Andreas Mantke: (...) addition: I copied the categories from [1] to the new wiki-site: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions-website#Categories_for_templa tes There are the descriptions (short and long) missing yet. Feel free to jump in and add this and maybe reorder the categories. I'll put them into the new Repo-Website then. there were some contributions in the meantime ;-) I put them into the extensions-part of the site. The listing is a bit longer now. Regards, Andreas Thanks for this. I'll take a look at it later tonight (my time). My time on the project has just become a little more erratic, hopefully, it will settle down soon. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Andreas, *, On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote: The new site is currently available at http://kermit.documentfoundation.org:9089/LibreOffice-Extensions-and-Templates/ There is currently no content inside this new site (no extensions or templates) and only a placeholder home page. There is a dummy-entry now and that makes me complain loudly: http://kermit.documentfoundation.org:9089/LibreOffice-Extensions-and-Templates/libreoffice-extensions-center/test-2 * No Licence specified → This absolutely must be mandatory for the repo! License is hidden in the read more for the specific release, but not right in front. * Same for Author/Provider/Publisher If you have license by release, make it part of the table on the description page please. And also provide it on the search results page. This is very relevant information after all. Screenshots are free-form editable in the description text? (you definitely need to be able to provide screenshots/a logo) And the self-certification points are very, very vague. What is the reason behind it? Why have them at all? The developer of the extension surely follows his own coding standards → checked The extension works on his own computer, he can install and uninstall → checked End-user documentation? Heck my extension is so simple it doesn't need documentation :-) Unit Tests? What user will know what that is supposed to mean... Internationalized... Probably means UI is available in the following languages... for most part, no real i18n... So there' no relevant info for the end-user IMHO. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Marc Paré schrieb: Is this to be run along with Andreas' Extension/Template site[1]? Hi Marc, Yes, so it is (planned). Kind regards Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-22 06:04, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Marc Paré schrieb: Is this to be run along with Andreas' Extension/Template site[1]? Hi Marc, Yes, so it is (planned). Kind regards Rainer Great! I'll try to participate if I can find some time. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Marc, Rainer, *, Am Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2011, 14:55:02 schrieb Marc Paré: Le 2011-06-22 06:04, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Marc Paré schrieb: Is this to be run along with Andreas' Extension/Template site[1]? Hi Marc, Yes, so it is (planned). Kind regards Rainer Great! I'll try to participate if I can find some time. there are two new tasks for the extension-template-repository. We can create categories for extensions and templates and I need your ideas / proposals for that categories. I put already a few of them into the new site. Please add your proposals to the wiki-site: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions-website#Categories_for_extensions http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions-website#Categories_for_templates I'm looking for your proposals ;-) Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-22 14:59, Andreas Mantke a écrit : Hi Marc, Rainer, *, Am Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2011, 14:55:02 schrieb Marc Paré: Le 2011-06-22 06:04, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Marc Paré schrieb: Is this to be run along with Andreas' Extension/Template site[1]? Hi Marc, Yes, so it is (planned). Kind regards Rainer Great! I'll try to participate if I can find some time. there are two new tasks for the extension-template-repository. We can create categories for extensions and templates and I need your ideas / proposals for that categories. I put already a few of them into the new site. Please add your proposals to the wiki-site: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions-website#Categories_for_extensions http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions-website#Categories_for_templates I'm looking for your proposals ;-) Regards, Andreas There had been an earlier attempt at registering templates through a wiki page that I helped put together along with different categories. Could you take a look at it and see if any are worth using?[1] There are some templates registered on this wiki page. Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Downloads/Templates -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-20 18:42, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Regarding one of those items on the wiki page: Extension transfer from OOo repository , we should make sure that if we do this that we try to find the author of the extensions to give proper attribution. When I looked at the templates and hoped to transfer some from the OOo site, most of these did not have the author's contact As for the extensions, they are ZIP files and you can often (not always, unfortunately) unzip them and find a README.txt file with author names and contact details. As for templates, the policy of templates.services.openoffice.org forces some document properties to be filled in in the file itself before you can upload a template. By inspecting the document properties, you will find some details; the templates I uploaded are complete with contact details, but I'm not sure about the rest. we should include in our documentation of any of the submissions of extensions/templates that the author's email is part of the contributing form. I think it's smarter to actually inspect the file, because this way the basic information is embedded in the template and is carried around every time it is copied. This is one of the nice things that make templates.services.openoffice.org an interesting site (just in terms of underlying technology). Regards, Andrea. Thanks for the interesting information Andrea. IMO, if we are going to make these available on our site we should make it so that people do not have to go to these extremes to find the author's email address. I like the idea that the emails are embedded some way in the extension/template itself, but the email address should also be available for people to see as one of the section in the file description itself. This will add a little more transparency as far as the original submitter's identity. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Rainer Le 2011-06-21 01:56, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Marc Paré schrieb: Regarding one of those items on the wiki page: Extension transfer from OOo repository , we should make sure that if we do this that we try to find the author of the extensions ... Hi Marc, yes, of course: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:Extensions_Repository#Extension_transfer_from_OOo_repository Kind regards Rainer Thanks. Is this to be run along with Andreas' Extension/Template site[1]? Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On 6/20/11 1:59 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Could you point me to any page with the results of these discussions. I seem to have missed it somehow. We had a lot of face to face and phone discussions before the launch, but you won't find any trace of them (other than the memory of each participant). Also, discussions with FSF were mostly by private email and phone, and were supposed to clarify our position vs proprietary extensions before FSF statement (we explained why we double license LGPLv3+ and MPL, as MPL is not the preferred FSF license). By the way, we use the MPL license to suit the needs of companies like IBM who want to build a proprietary version of the software, although US corporations have a preference for Apache License which it is not copyleft (MPL is defined as weak copyleft). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-21 07:14, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 6/20/11 1:59 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Could you point me to any page with the results of these discussions. I seem to have missed it somehow. We had a lot of face to face and phone discussions before the launch, but you won't find any trace of them (other than the memory of each participant). Also, discussions with FSF were mostly by private email and phone, and were supposed to clarify our position vs proprietary extensions before FSF statement (we explained why we double license LGPLv3+ and MPL, as MPL is not the preferred FSF license). By the way, we use the MPL license to suit the needs of companies like IBM who want to build a proprietary version of the software, although US corporations have a preference for Apache License which it is not copyleft (MPL is defined as weak copyleft). Thanks for the explanation. I think it would be nice to have our statement on the matter published somewhere on our website. As for the comment of although US corporations have a preference for Apache License which it is not copyleft (MPL is defined as weak copyleft), IMO it's more of a cultural thing. We, in North America, are used to seeing big business and hearing of for-profit philosophies and little of opensource philosophy. I remember as early as the last year and a half of hearing people say at school board IT meetings that installing Linux on boxes was considered illegal if MSWindows are not installed and my countering with the fact that I was a whitebox dealer who sold boxes with Linux installed on it and that my sales were going fine and were definitely not illegal, OR, also hearing from some of my US colleagues in the educational field that opensource is considered un-American because there is no profit involved. This type of attitude are chronicled in articles such as this: [http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3868046/Open-Source-Software-Bad-Evil-and-Un-American.htm]. This is some of the mind-set that some of us harbour in North America. It's organization like ours and our supporting partners that will make a difference in changing attitudes in North America. BTW ... this is a neat article to read re: the spread of opensource software in North America: [http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3868046/Open-Source-Software-Bad-Evil-and-Un-American.htm], which brings home the importance of having LibreOffice ready for large-scale installations. We need to make our LibreOffice more attractive by providing administrative tools to ease large-scale installation as well as administrative tools for managing installation preferences remotely. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Andreas Mantke schrieb: Hi all, I set up a new extensions and template website (repository) for LibreOffice. Hi Andreas, I started a Wiki Page, where results of this discussion should be added. That's all I can do today, my regular job ... Best regards Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: May be I should have mentioned: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions_Repository Kind regards Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Rainer, Le 2011-06-20 07:22, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: May be I should have mentioned: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions_Repository Kind regards Rainer Regarding one of those items on the wiki page: Extension transfer from OOo repository , we should make sure that if we do this that we try to find the author of the extensions to give proper attribution. When I looked at the templates and hoped to transfer some from the OOo site, most of these did not have the author's contact either in the form of an email address or website. It was impossible to track anyone down for any kind of correspondence about their contributions. We should make sure that, now that we making a clean start, we should include in our documentation of any of the submissions of extensions/templates that the author's email is part of the contributing form. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Marc, *, Am Montag, 20. Juni 2011, 20:10:58 schrieb Marc Paré: Hi Rainer, Le 2011-06-20 07:22, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: May be I should have mentioned: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions_Repository Kind regards Rainer Regarding one of those items on the wiki page: Extension transfer from OOo repository , we should make sure that if we do this that we try to find the author of the extensions to give proper attribution. When I looked at the templates and hoped to transfer some from the OOo site, most of these did not have the author's contact either in the form of an email address or website. It was impossible to track anyone down for any kind of correspondence about their contributions. we had to look on the OOoExtension-site for mail-addresses or use an mechanism of that site to contact the author. We need in my opinion about ten people (or more) who do the work to sent an email to the author and process his answer. We should make sure that, now that we making a clean start, we should include in our documentation of any of the submissions of extensions/templates that the author's email is part of the contributing form. +1 It's a necessary date that the author of a project had to provide in the new environment. The admin could always look for that mail address ;-) Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 20:32 +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Marc, *, Am Montag, 20. Juni 2011, 20:10:58 schrieb Marc Paré: Hi Rainer, Le 2011-06-20 07:22, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: May be I should have mentioned: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions_Repository Kind regards Rainer Regarding one of those items on the wiki page: Extension transfer from OOo repository , we should make sure that if we do this that we try to find the author of the extensions to give proper attribution. When I looked at the templates and hoped to transfer some from the OOo site, most of these did not have the author's contact either in the form of an email address or website. It was impossible to track anyone down for any kind of correspondence about their contributions. we had to look on the OOoExtension-site for mail-addresses or use an mechanism of that site to contact the author. We need in my opinion about ten people (or more) who do the work to sent an email to the author and process his answer. We should make sure that, now that we making a clean start, we should include in our documentation of any of the submissions of extensions/templates that the author's email is part of the contributing form. It always was, the problem is that we do not have access at the service level only the public view of the site and the address is hidden - for most of the extensions this is not a problem as the address is in the license. +1 It's a necessary date that the author of a project had to provide in the new environment. The admin could always look for that mail address ;-) As I said at the old site also - you must register with an email address to upload, or even comment for that matter IIRC, to either extensions or templates. The problem is most acute when all you have is the template file. Now that I think about it someone could ask, nicely, if the current admin at the oo.o site would be willing to do a mass mailing to the submitters - they could do that for sure, how hard it would be I can't say for sure, but it shouldn't be all that much. In fact maybe the people to ask are at Apache now and the database is on OSU OSL servers - so I think this is a good avenue to explore. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Drew, *, Am Montag, 20. Juni 2011, 20:46:41 schrieb drew: On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 20:32 +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Marc, *, Am Montag, 20. Juni 2011, 20:10:58 schrieb Marc Paré: (...) It always was, the problem is that we do not have access at the service level only the public view of the site and the address is hidden - for most of the extensions this is not a problem as the address is in the license. currently the OOo-Ext-Site seemed to offline again. +1 It's a necessary date that the author of a project had to provide in the new environment. The admin could always look for that mail address ;-) As I said at the old site also - you must register with an email address to upload, or even comment for that matter IIRC, to either extensions or templates. Yes, I know. That will also be necessary for the LibO-Ext-Site. The problem is most acute when all you have is the template file. Now that I think about it someone could ask, nicely, if the current admin at the oo.o site would be willing to do a mass mailing to the submitters - they could do that for sure, how hard it would be I can't say for sure, but it shouldn't be all that much. In fact maybe the people to ask are at Apache now and the database is on OSU OSL servers - so I think this is a good avenue to explore. You could try this. But I think the issue is, that we need to handle the answers of the authors. The easiest answer would be go ahead, but I think there would not only such easy answers from the authors. Some of them would want some information or have some questions. Thus we need some humans to execute this tasks ;-) Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:24 +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote: You could try this. But I think the issue is, that we need to handle the answers of the authors. The easiest answer would be go ahead, but I think there would not only such easy answers from the authors. Some of them would want some information or have some questions. Thus we need some humans to execute this tasks ;-) Right - well we could phrase it such that what we ask for is for them to contact us if they have questions, and supply a 'for purpose' email address. What is the worst that could happen, the site admin's say no they won't do it. Also, having the authors on board for extensions makes huge sense and not having such would seem a show stopper to me. (hmmm, would need to ponder that a bit more before giving a real opinion). However for templates, if the license is good is the author's approval absolutely necessary? //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Marc Paré wrote: Regarding one of those items on the wiki page: Extension transfer from OOo repository , we should make sure that if we do this that we try to find the author of the extensions to give proper attribution. When I looked at the templates and hoped to transfer some from the OOo site, most of these did not have the author's contact As for the extensions, they are ZIP files and you can often (not always, unfortunately) unzip them and find a README.txt file with author names and contact details. As for templates, the policy of templates.services.openoffice.org forces some document properties to be filled in in the file itself before you can upload a template. By inspecting the document properties, you will find some details; the templates I uploaded are complete with contact details, but I'm not sure about the rest. we should include in our documentation of any of the submissions of extensions/templates that the author's email is part of the contributing form. I think it's smarter to actually inspect the file, because this way the basic information is embedded in the template and is carried around every time it is copied. This is one of the nice things that make templates.services.openoffice.org an interesting site (just in terms of underlying technology). Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Marc Paré schrieb: Regarding one of those items on the wiki page: Extension transfer from OOo repository , we should make sure that if we do this that we try to find the author of the extensions ... Hi Marc, yes, of course: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:Extensions_Repository#Extension_transfer_from_OOo_repository Kind regards Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-18 19:19, drew a écrit : On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 23:48 +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Andrea, *, Am Samstag, 18. Juni 2011, 13:09:05 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 17/06/2011 Andreas Mantke wrote: We need a proposal for the text on this home page that explains what extensions and templates are used for, why they are so helpfull. Then the user of the site should be encouraged to provide extensions and templates to the new site. The text should probably also emphasize that the Document Foundation will not recommend nonfree add-ons, as per RMS's quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ Well, it's not much but if it helps to prime the pump: Libreoffice extensions are tools, which can be added or removed independently from your installation of the main program. Extensions may add new functionality to your copy of Libreoffice, or to make existing functionality easier to use. Templates offer you a way to avoid duplicating repetitive actions when creating new text documents, spreadsheets, or presentations. They also offer a way to maintain consistency of document layout and standard content, and may for example be used to maintain consistent branding elements when used in a work place. Best wishes, Drew Thanks for doing this Andreas, it's great that we will finally have a location to submit and to get these. Thanks for doing this Drew. I added small changes, and also ... As pointed out by Andrea, I too would be in favour of expressing our (LibreOffice) commitment to ONLY offering those extensions and templates authored under a permissive license. We should point this out on extensions/templates' front page. We could use the statement that already appears on that page[1] that I find quite appropriate and incorporate our commitment: LibreOffice offers a wide variety of features, but in some cases, you may need another functionality that is currently not available inside LibreOffice. Extensions and templates may offer you this added functionality. On this site, we will collect a wide range of extensions and templates to satisfy your needs. LibreOffice extensions are tools that can be added or removed independently from your installation of the main program. Extensions may add new functionality to your copy of LibreOffice, or may make existing functionality easier to use. LibreOffice templates offer you a way to avoid duplicating repetitive actions when creating new text documents, spreadsheets, or presentations. They also offer a way to maintain consistency of document layout and standard content, and may, for example, be used to maintain consistent branding elements when used in a work place. LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software authored under permissive licensing, and, as such, our catalogue of extensions and templates are published under permissive licensing. Contributions to the catalogue are welcome. We should also include the same footer as found on the main LibreOffice.org site.[2] Cheers Marc [1] http://kermit.documentfoundation.org:9089/LibreOffice-Extensions-and-Templates/ [2] http://www.documentfoundation.org/ -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On 6/19/11 10:20 AM, Marc Paré wrote: LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software authored under permissive licensing, and, as such, our catalogue of extensions and templates are published under permissive licensing. Contributions to the catalogue are welcome. I would prefer to avoid the term permissive for the license, given the fact that the Apache License is described as permissive (we should avoid any possible misunderstanding). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Italo Le 2011-06-19 05:17, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 6/19/11 10:20 AM, Marc Paré wrote: LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software authored under permissive licensing, and, as such, our catalogue of extensions and templates are published under permissive licensing. Contributions to the catalogue are welcome. I would prefer to avoid the term permissive for the license, given the fact that the Apache License is described as permissive (we should avoid any possible misunderstanding). Could you suggest another description that we could use that would be more appropriate for us? Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 05:25 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Italo Le 2011-06-19 05:17, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 6/19/11 10:20 AM, Marc Paré wrote: LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software authored under permissive licensing, and, as such, our catalogue of extensions and templates are published under permissive licensing. Contributions to the catalogue are welcome. I would prefer to avoid the term permissive for the license, given the fact that the Apache License is described as permissive (we should avoid any possible misunderstanding). Could you suggest another description that we could use that would be more appropriate for us? restrictive Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On 6/19/11 11:25 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Could you suggest another description that we could use that would be more appropriate for us? I think that we should use free software license, preferably copyleft, avoiding references to terms which are specific of a family of licenses (like permissive, or GPL compatible, or OSI compatible). I would bring the discussion on the steering-discuss mailing list though as there are people who know licensing issues better than me and can provide useful suggestions. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/19/11 11:25 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Could you suggest another description that we could use that would be more appropriate for us? I think that we should use free software license, preferably copyleft Just free software license linked to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html would exactly match with the RMS quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ and would include both free-permissive licenses (Apache) and free-copyleft licenses (LGPL). Anything else would be a new interpretation of the original statement and would exclude (or discourage) some free software from the extensions repository, but of course the Steering Committee is free to decide on the policy of the LibreOffice websites regardless of RMS's quotes from months ago. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 12:57 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/19/11 11:25 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Could you suggest another description that we could use that would be more appropriate for us? I think that we should use free software license, preferably copyleft Just free software license linked to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html would exactly match with the +1 (since that seems to be the accepted policy might as well keep it sweet and simple) RMS quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ and would include both free-permissive licenses (Apache) and free-copyleft licenses (LGPL). Anything else would be a new interpretation of the original statement and would exclude (or discourage) some free software from the extensions repository, but of course the Steering Committee is free to decide on the policy of the LibreOffice websites -1 (but that is a different subject) regardless of RMS's quotes from months ago. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 04:20 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: snip and also ... As pointed out by Andrea, I too would be in favour of expressing our (LibreOffice) commitment to ONLY offering those extensions and templates authored under a permissive license. We should point this out on extensions/templates' front page. We could use the statement that already appears on that page[1] that I find quite appropriate and incorporate our commitment: LibreOffice offers a wide variety of features, but in some cases, you may need another functionality that is currently not available inside LibreOffice. Extensions and templates may offer you this added functionality. On this site, we will collect a wide range of extensions and templates to satisfy your needs. LibreOffice extensions are tools that can be added or removed independently from your installation of the main program. Extensions may add new functionality to your copy of LibreOffice, or may make existing functionality easier to use. LibreOffice templates offer you a way to avoid duplicating repetitive actions when creating new text documents, spreadsheets, or presentations. They also offer a way to maintain consistency of document layout and standard content, and may, for example, be used to maintain consistent branding elements when used in a work place. LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software authored under permissive licensing, and, as such, our catalogue of extensions and templates are published under permissive licensing. Contributions to the catalogue are welcome. Thanks Marc, it looks really good. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On 6/19/11 12:57 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Just free software license linked to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html would exactly match with the RMS quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ and would include both free-permissive licenses (Apache) and free-copyleft licenses (LGPL). I agree, although I have a personal preference for copyleft vs permissive, because - as a user - I feel that permissive does not respect users (because they might be used to lure users into proprietary software because of specific features available only in proprietary versions of the program). Anything else would be a new interpretation of the original statement and would exclude (or discourage) some free software from the extensions repository, but of course the Steering Committee is free to decide on the policy of the LibreOffice websites regardless of RMS's quotes from months ago. The policy is quite clear, and is not going to change. The problem is that there might be SC members who are not subscribed here, and that I would like express the concept is a way that is not possible to start another discussion about the merit of licenses, as I think that we had even too many of them during the podling at ASF. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 15:57 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: Just free software license linked to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html would exactly match with the RMS quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ and would include both free-permissive licenses (Apache) and free-copyleft licenses (LGPL). I agree Hi Italo, others OK, great then if we change that update Marc did to: LibreOffice offers a wide variety of features, but in some cases, you may need another functionality that is currently not available inside LibreOffice. Extensions and templates may offer you this added functionality. On this site, we will collect a wide range of extensions and templates to satisfy your needs. LibreOffice extensions are tools that can be added or removed independently from your installation of the main program. Extensions may add new functionality to your copy of LibreOffice, or may make existing functionality easier to use. LibreOffice templates offer you a way to avoid duplicating repetitive actions when creating new text documents, spreadsheets, or presentations. They also offer a way to maintain consistency of document layout and standard content, and may, for example, be used to maintain consistent branding elements when used in a work place. LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software authored under free software licenses, and, as such, our catalogue of extensions and templates are published under permissive licensing. Contributions to the catalogue are welcome. With the link to as proposed by Andra, are then then more edits suggested? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Sorry - lets try this again On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 10:30 -0400, drew wrote: On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 15:57 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: Just free software license linked to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html would exactly match with the RMS quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ and would include both free-permissive licenses (Apache) and free-copyleft licenses (LGPL). I agree Hi Italo, others OK, great then if we change that update Marc did to: LibreOffice offers a wide variety of features, but in some cases, you may need another functionality that is currently not available inside LibreOffice. Extensions and templates may offer you this added functionality. On this site, we will collect a wide range of extensions and templates to satisfy your needs. LibreOffice extensions are tools that can be added or removed independently from your installation of the main program. Extensions may add new functionality to your copy of LibreOffice, or may make existing functionality easier to use. LibreOffice templates offer you a way to avoid duplicating repetitive actions when creating new text documents, spreadsheets, or presentations. They also offer a way to maintain consistency of document layout and standard content, and may, for example, be used to maintain consistent branding elements when used in a work place. LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software authored under free software licenses, and, as such, our catalogue of extensions and templates are published under free software licenses. Contributions to the catalogue are welcome and encouraged. With a 'link to' as proposed by Andrea and a minor edit by me, are there any further editing suggestions? //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On 6/19/11 4:38 PM, drew wrote: With a 'link to' as proposed by Andrea and a minor edit by me, are there any further editing suggestions? I am fine with the text. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 16:53 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/19/11 4:38 PM, drew wrote: With a 'link to' as proposed by Andrea and a minor edit by me, are there any further editing suggestions? I am fine with the text. Well, you were totally correct, IMO, on catching the word permissive as being a problem BTW. Reading it I can't help but feel it's a bit wordy here and there. Looking at the way I worded 'adding and removing' in the second paragraph seems a bit awkward. Anyway - Andreas request was for a first draft and as that, a first draft, I think this is pretty good - not to mention others likely will come along (or back) and make it better. So let's call it good and hit the golf course, huh? :-) //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On 6/19/11 5:43 PM, drew wrote: Well, you were totally correct, IMO, on catching the word permissive as being a problem BTW. It should not be a problem, though, but as we had several people picking single words or sentences out of context to support their opinions, or question TDF opinions, I think it is safer to avoid additional speculations. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-19 11:43, drew a écrit : On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 16:53 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/19/11 4:38 PM, drew wrote: With a 'link to' as proposed by Andrea and a minor edit by me, are there any further editing suggestions? I am fine with the text. Well, you were totally correct, IMO, on catching the word permissive as being a problem BTW. Reading it I can't help but feel it's a bit wordy here and there. Looking at the way I worded 'adding and removing' in the second paragraph seems a bit awkward. Anyway - Andreas request was for a first draft and as that, a first draft, I think this is pretty good - not to mention others likely will come along (or back) and make it better. So let's call it good and hit the golf course, huh? :-) //drew Thanks everyone. Looks good to me also. The licensing issue in the text seems right also. Let us know once its on the site and we'll take another quick look at it. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Mark, *, Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011, 18:37:57 schrieb Marc Paré: (...) Thanks everyone. Looks good to me also. The licensing issue in the text seems right also. Let us know once its on the site and we'll take another quick look at it. I put it on the site this morning. It was the version from your email that follows Drews first shot. Have I missed some changes in the meantime? Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 19:27 +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Mark, *, Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011, 18:37:57 schrieb Marc Paré: (...) Thanks everyone. Looks good to me also. The licensing issue in the text seems right also. Let us know once its on the site and we'll take another quick look at it. I put it on the site this morning. It was the version from your email that follows Drews first shot. Have I missed some changes in the meantime? Hi Andreas, Yes a couple of changes. You find the final 'draft' text in this message: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website-tp3078054p3082799.html Also note that input from Andrea P. at top of that message, with the idea to link the phrase 'free software licenses' to the actual definition of what that means, I suppose for both places in the next to last paragraph. Thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-19 13:58, drew a écrit : On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 19:27 +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Mark, *, Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011, 18:37:57 schrieb Marc Paré: (...) Thanks everyone. Looks good to me also. The licensing issue in the text seems right also. Let us know once its on the site and we'll take another quick look at it. I put it on the site this morning. It was the version from your email that follows Drews first shot. Have I missed some changes in the meantime? Hi Andreas, Yes a couple of changes. You find the final 'draft' text in this message: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website-tp3078054p3082799.html Also note that input from Andrea P. at top of that message, with the idea to link the phrase 'free software licenses' to the actual definition of what that means, I suppose for both places in the next to last paragraph. Thanks, //drew Adding to that could we also do: * paragraph 2. Change LibreOffice extensions to LibreOffice Extensions and then put this in bold * paragraph 3. Change LibreOffice templates to LibreOffice Templates and then put this in bold Cheers Marc NB ... if there are going to be more edits for EN international, maybe you could consider giving Drew and myself access to the site. This way we could do the edits a little quicker. Also thanks to everyone for doing this. -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Marc, *, Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011, 20:54:26 schrieb Marc Paré: (...) Adding to that could we also do: * paragraph 2. Change LibreOffice extensions to LibreOffice Extensions and then put this in bold * paragraph 3. Change LibreOffice templates to LibreOffice Templates and then put this in bold thanks, done. (...) NB ... if there are going to be more edits for EN international, maybe you could consider giving Drew and myself access to the site. This way we could do the edits a little quicker. Also thanks to everyone for doing this. Please send me per PM your prefered username and mailaddress. I'll give you an account then. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Marc, *, Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011, 21:43:11 schrieb Marc Paré: (...) The only thing missing is: paragraph 4: Substitute the whole paragraph with this: LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software authored under free software licenses, and, as such, our catalogue of extensions and templates are published under free software licenses. Link both mentions of the free software licenses with the site: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html done ;-) We need to add some more information for potential contributors to our catalogue to the extension-template-site in the next days. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-19 15:51, Andreas Mantke a écrit : Hi Marc, *, Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011, 21:43:11 schrieb Marc Paré: (...) The only thing missing is: paragraph 4: Substitute the whole paragraph with this: LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software authored under free software licenses, and, as such, our catalogue of extensions and templates are published under free software licenses. Link both mentions of the free software licenses with the site: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html done ;-) We need to add some more information for potential contributors to our catalogue to the extension-template-site in the next days. Regards, Andreas What kind of information would you need and is this needed on the frontpage? Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 15:47 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-19 06:57, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/19/11 11:25 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Could you suggest another description that we could use that would be more appropriate for us? I think that we should use free software license, preferably copyleft Just free software license linked to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html would exactly match with the RMS quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ and would include both free-permissive licenses (Apache) and free-copyleft licenses (LGPL). Anything else would be a new interpretation of the original statement and would exclude (or discourage) some free software from the extensions repository, but of course the Steering Committee is free to decide on the policy of the LibreOffice websites regardless of RMS's quotes from months ago. Regards, Andrea. Thanks Andrea, This make more sense for now. I also agree that the SC should maybe take this up on a confcall for a discussion as to their philosophy on use of free software or if they decide to be even more specific copy-left licensing. Once again -1 to that idea. If there is to be a policy of this magnitude then the correct way is to have a vote of the members of the foundation, not the SC or the BOD when it exists, IMO. I think this is an important point to take up taking into consideration the latest situation with questions to the ASF licensing issues. I also believe this is a very important situation but the greatest importance lies not with this specific singular policy, rather with how such a policy should be created. Which world view will we hold - Do we discuss and come to a group decision or do we lobby for the decision of a select (even if elected) few - this is not a causal question, and I thank you for bringing it up. Sincerely, Drew Jensen Document Foundation Member -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On 6/19/11 10:55 PM, drew wrote: If there is to be a policy of this magnitude then the correct way is to have a vote of the members of the foundation, not the SC or the BOD when it exists, IMO. I don't think that the policy is under discussion (i.e., not offering and not promoting proprietary extensions on TDF web properties), as it has been already discussed in September 2010 and quite recently, when TDF has been approached by FSF before their statement. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 00:05 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/19/11 10:55 PM, drew wrote: If there is to be a policy of this magnitude then the correct way is to have a vote of the members of the foundation, not the SC or the BOD when it exists, IMO. I don't think that the policy is under discussion (i.e., not offering and not promoting proprietary extensions on TDF web properties), as it has been already discussed in September 2010 and quite recently, when TDF has been approached by FSF before their statement. I agree - and my comments should not be construed as belief in a need to do any of that. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-19 18:05, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 6/19/11 10:55 PM, drew wrote: If there is to be a policy of this magnitude then the correct way is to have a vote of the members of the foundation, not the SC or the BOD when it exists, IMO. I don't think that the policy is under discussion (i.e., not offering and not promoting proprietary extensions on TDF web properties), as it has been already discussed in September 2010 and quite recently, when TDF has been approached by FSF before their statement. Hi Italo, Could you point me to any page with the results of these discussions. I seem to have missed it somehow. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 19:59 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-19 18:05, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 6/19/11 10:55 PM, drew wrote: If there is to be a policy of this magnitude then the correct way is to have a vote of the members of the foundation, not the SC or the BOD when it exists, IMO. I don't think that the policy is under discussion (i.e., not offering and not promoting proprietary extensions on TDF web properties), as it has been already discussed in September 2010 and quite recently, when TDF has been approached by FSF before their statement. Hi Italo, Could you point me to any page with the results of these discussions. I seem to have missed it somehow. Hi Marc, May I suggest that one answer to your question ships with every version of LibreOffice: Launch LibreOffice. Select ToolsExtension Manager Click on the link in the lower left of the dialog Get More Extensions online... Read the text on the wiki. Best wishes Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Le 2011-06-19 20:47, drew a écrit : On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 19:59 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-19 18:05, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 6/19/11 10:55 PM, drew wrote: If there is to be a policy of this magnitude then the correct way is to have a vote of the members of the foundation, not the SC or the BOD when it exists, IMO. I don't think that the policy is under discussion (i.e., not offering and not promoting proprietary extensions on TDF web properties), as it has been already discussed in September 2010 and quite recently, when TDF has been approached by FSF before their statement. Hi Italo, Could you point me to any page with the results of these discussions. I seem to have missed it somehow. Hi Marc, May I suggest that one answer to your question ships with every version of LibreOffice: Launch LibreOffice. Select ToolsExtension Manager Click on the link in the lower left of the dialog Get More Extensions online... Read the text on the wiki. Best wishes Drew Thanks Drew Hmm, I hadn't really looked closely enough at that page[1] as well as the linked wiki page[2]. I find the one-liner from LibreOffice LibreOffice uses this extension library by default, so it doesn't have the problem with recommending nonfree add-ons. a little skimpy. We should have a page where we can view this declaration somewhere on our website rather than a quote that is untraceable from the LibrePlanet site. Maybe we could add it somewhere on a wiki page where policy is noted? Cheers Marc [1] http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:OpenOfficeExtensions/List [2] http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:OpenOfficeExtensions -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On 17/06/2011 Andreas Mantke wrote: We need a proposal for the text on this home page that explains what extensions and templates are used for, why they are so helpfull. Then the user of the site should be encouraged to provide extensions and templates to the new site. The text should probably also emphasize that the Document Foundation will not recommend nonfree add-ons, as per RMS's quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
Hi Andrea, *, Am Samstag, 18. Juni 2011, 13:09:05 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 17/06/2011 Andreas Mantke wrote: We need a proposal for the text on this home page that explains what extensions and templates are used for, why they are so helpfull. Then the user of the site should be encouraged to provide extensions and templates to the new site. The text should probably also emphasize that the Document Foundation will not recommend nonfree add-ons, as per RMS's quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ yes, but if no native English speaker starts with a draft of the text, there will be no traffic on the new site (and no or only a few extensions / templates) ;-( Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice-Extensions-Template-Website
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 23:48 +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Andrea, *, Am Samstag, 18. Juni 2011, 13:09:05 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 17/06/2011 Andreas Mantke wrote: We need a proposal for the text on this home page that explains what extensions and templates are used for, why they are so helpfull. Then the user of the site should be encouraged to provide extensions and templates to the new site. The text should probably also emphasize that the Document Foundation will not recommend nonfree add-ons, as per RMS's quote on http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ yes, but if no native English speaker starts with a draft of the text, there will be no traffic on the new site (and no or only a few extensions / templates) ;-( Well, it's not much but if it helps to prime the pump: Libreoffice extensions are tools, which can be added or removed independently from your installation of the main program. Extensions may add new functionality to your copy of Libreoffice, or to make existing functionality easier to use. Templates offer you a way to avoid duplicating repetitive actions when creating new text documents, spreadsheets, or presentations. They also offer a way to maintain consistency of document layout and standard content, and may for example be used to maintain consistent branding elements when used in a work place. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
