RE: [WSG] Back to the Future
Yes, I did think of that but it's actually an ASP.Net website so really needs to be done in Visual Studio. I'm having great fun, as you can imagine. Things are going to get even more interesting as I'm just about to install Windows 3.11 on a virtual machine to test this stuff *for real*. I have tissues ready and waiting in case I cry. Chris (30 years old today, but feeling at least twice that age) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alastair Campbell Sent: 13 June 2007 19:34 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Back to the Future Chris Taylor wrote: Thanks for the input everyone, it looks like old-school tables with inline styles is the way to go, unfortunately. You may be right, if it were me, I'd install an old copy of Frontpage or dreamweaver and use that... matching the era of the tool with the era of the browser will probably make it less work for you. Cheers, -Alastair *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] force download a media file
Hi all, I am very glad and thankful to you all for your time to respond to my mail. Thank you all for the advice and tips given. Actually when i used force download what i meant was the save as window to come instead of the media file being played by the browser (thus giving the freedom of choice to the user). In the mean time, i could find out that my server supports CGI and pearl..but m not familiar with these technologies. I did be glad if someone can help me in this. thanks in advance. Regards Sijo Louis On 6/13/07, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Jun 2007, at 8:10 PM, SJL wrote: I have this problem where i want to force download... I actually want the save as window to appear and give the choice to the viewer. Hmm. I've been following this thread, with its discussion of headers, MIME types and content-disposition, and I have to say that your post suggests a fundamental dilemma, even before you get to all the server-side shenanigans: you can't force your visitors to do anything - and especially not if you want to 'give them choice' as well! The web is unique, in that it's a user-configurable medium. In the same way that we shouldn't try to serve the same pixel-perfect layouts to every visitor, you shouldn't expect to be able to 'force' your visitors to download a file. If their browser is configured with a helper app that handles your file inline, let it happen! Savvy surfers expect a measure of control - or at least the illusion of control - over their experience. That's why you hear, over and over, not to use pop-ups, new windows, or other practices that take that control out of their hands. They don't like it - and they'll go somewhere else. 'Podcasts' all over the web (and I quote the word because it's becoming a generic term for a downloadable audio file) are supplemented with a single, simple instruction: 'Right-click (or Control-click) and choose Save As...' Now *that's* giving your visitors choice. N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] force download a media file
correction its PERL no PEARL, thanks On 6/13/07, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Jun 2007, at 8:10 PM, SJL wrote: I have this problem where i want to force download... I actually want the save as window to appear and give the choice to the viewer. Hmm. I've been following this thread, with its discussion of headers, MIME types and content-disposition, and I have to say that your post suggests a fundamental dilemma, even before you get to all the server-side shenanigans: you can't force your visitors to do anything - and especially not if you want to 'give them choice' as well! The web is unique, in that it's a user-configurable medium. In the same way that we shouldn't try to serve the same pixel-perfect layouts to every visitor, you shouldn't expect to be able to 'force' your visitors to download a file. If their browser is configured with a helper app that handles your file inline, let it happen! Savvy surfers expect a measure of control - or at least the illusion of control - over their experience. That's why you hear, over and over, not to use pop-ups, new windows, or other practices that take that control out of their hands. They don't like it - and they'll go somewhere else. 'Podcasts' all over the web (and I quote the word because it's becoming a generic term for a downloadable audio file) are supplemented with a single, simple instruction: 'Right-click (or Control-click) and choose Save As...' Now *that's* giving your visitors choice. N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Apple have released a new beta version with security patches: http://lists.apple.com/archives/Security-announce//2007/Jun/msg0.html Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Help required for Safari (Windows)
Hi Guys: Feels good to be in forum with a group of intellectuals from around the world. I have just a query about my website: http://www.puneetsakhuja.com I have redesigned this site a few days back, I made this on windows actually, and now when Safari for Windows is out, I have checked my website in the browser, it doesnt show the Navigation at all. I have used all the web standards etc, but still cant figure out the problem, I dont have much idea about MAC and how Safari behaves. Do we have to code differently for a safari ir are there any hacks that I can use for rendering properly in Safari ? Help me out guys !! regards -P *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] BarCamp Perth now FREE
Hi Gary I wish I could be there but I'm in QLD for a conference :( Cheers, Gian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Barber Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 1:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] BarCamp Perth now FREE Well Finally Perth gets to hold a BarCamp. Thing is it's only 16 Days away on the 30th June from 9-5, Central TAFE, 140 Royal St, East Perth So if you are in Perth, Western Australia. Come along. Its all about sharing. And its FREE. Register ASAP, and get your t-shirt details to the organiser ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) and you get a FREE t-shirt on the day. So Signup here - http://www.webindustry.asn.au/projects/barcamp-perth What's a BarCamp. Well those details are on the wiki http://www.barcamp.org/BarCampPerth -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Screen Reader Accessible Navigation Suggestions
Hi John Roger Hudson and Russ Weakley did an interested paper on this which explains the organization of navigation really well: http://www.usability.com.au/resources/ozewai2005/ Cheers, Gian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 5:10 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Screen Reader Accessible Navigation Suggestions Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting. Our www.accessibility.co.uk website is an example of that. It doesn't have third level navigation but if it did I would put another list below the second level navigation. The site is only about 30 pages so third level menus are not needed, and the few third level pages are just linked from within the body of second level pages. We have done the same at www.testpartners.co.uk, which has about 60 pages but don't look at the coding - it's more than 4 years old and in desperate need of a rewrite. Steve _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Moynihan Sent: 13 June 2007 19:44 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Screen Reader Accessible Navigation Suggestions Hi Steve, Thanks for replying to my posting. I am a little confused as to exactly what you are referring to. Are you saying have a primary navigation for various sections of the website and then on each secondary page add another list and the same for third level pages? Would you have any links as examples that I can take a look at? Thanks for your help, John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:50 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Screen Reader Accessible Navigation Suggestions That's not a big site so I would expect that two lists for the primary and secondary navigation would be sufficient. Use a third list if you need a third level of navigation. I would advise against nesting the second and third level navigation lists, which is what people often do. It may be semantically correct but it makes it difficult for screen reader users to build a mental model of the navigation because it changes so much from page to page, and some won't even know what nested lists are. Consistency is key to a good user experience with a screen reader. Avoid any kind of dropdown menu. There have been many attempts to create accessible dropdown menus, but they all cause accessibility problems for one user group or another. Even the best ones rely on non-standard interaction models in order to achieve good accessibility, which is not really a solution at all. If you want to provide headings to indicate the primary, secondary and tertiary menus then you can hide them off screen. They are not essential but they can help the user build a mental model of the page and they provide landmarks that aid navigation. Steve _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Moynihan Sent: 13 June 2007 17:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Screen Reader Accessible Navigation Suggestions Hi Folks, I was wondering if the group could offer some advice regarding accessible navigation for a website. I have a website that I'm working on that needs to be accessible for people who use screen readers such as Jaws. I am kind of stumped on which type of navigation to utilize since the website has approximately 110 pages. I can just create a list for the navigation. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what would be the best way to set up the navigation for this site? Thanks for your help. John *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines:
[WSG] The Web Accessibility Toolbar 2.0 beta is now available.
The Web Accessibility Toolbar 2.0 beta is now available. [http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html] Feedback welcome. Whats new version 2.0 Compatible with IE 7 and Vista All functions (except third party) no longer rely upon external scripts. Most functions now work when javascript is disabled Most functions (where applicable) work across frames iframes HTML validator - checks files from a local server or folder. New functionality: log window: when the log text box is opened, any messages that a function provides are written to the log window (instead of an alert box). Text can also be entered into the log text box. this info can be saved to a text file. Open in Firefox and opera buttons: opens the current page in firefox or Opera (if installed) HTML validation quick check: returns summary check results from the W3C validator. frames list: provides access to any framed documents generated source highlighter: generated source views with elements highlighted. Focus highlighter Functional Accessibility Evaluator plus others and upgrades to existing functions -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Sorry, I've been away for a while and lost track of this, thanks to everyone for your comments. I think what you have said is right in that perhaps the intro text doesn't really have any semantic value, so there doesn't need to be any tag to match it. Thanks again for all your replies. On 26/05/07, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5/26/2007 10:04 AM, Designer wrote: Presumably, p title=introduction and p id=introduction would do the trick also? My own preference would be for the latter. Of course, if you are referring to a GROUP of paragraphs constituting the introduction, then Paul's class would have to be used. Yes, either an introduction consisting of multiple paragraphs or multiple introductions on the same page. Since we don't really know the present and future architecture of the site in question, either of those possibilities seems so likely to occur, particularly the former, that painting oneself into a corner with id seems to beg for the busywork of modifying markup stylesheet down the road. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Back to the Future
On 14 Jun 2007, at 10:01:43, Chris Taylor wrote: Things are going to get even more interesting as I'm just about to install Windows 3.11 on a virtual machine to test this stuff *for real*. I have tissues ready and waiting in case I cry. If you plan on using JavaScript then you'll be delighted to hear that it has its own set of additional bugs (both crashing and just weird) in 16 bit Windows (3.x). You may find some of these old netscape.devs- javascript newsgroup posts useful: http://groups.google.com/group/netscape.devs-javascript/search? group=netscape.devs-javascriptq=16+bitqt_g=Search+this+group Good luck, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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[WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
Hello all, I'm hoping someone can see the obvious on the following page and tell me where I've gone wrong; http://vasco.brucehighway.com/reports-hierarchical-display.htm in Firefox it displays the totals on the right-hand side exactly where I expect it to be. In Internet explorer the numbers are aligning to the document and not to the relative positioned elements as in Firefox. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Taco Fleur clickfindT www.clickfind.com.au the new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] BarCamp Perth now FREE
I will be there and finally something to go to in perth... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/06/2007 9:13:12 pm Hi Gary I wish I could be there but I'm in QLD for a conference :( Cheers, Gian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Barber Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 1:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] BarCamp Perth now FREE Well Finally Perth gets to hold a BarCamp. Thing is it's only 16 Days away on the 30th June from 9-5, Central TAFE, 140 Royal St, East Perth So if you are in Perth, Western Australia. Come along. Its all about sharing. And its FREE. Register ASAP, and get your t-shirt details to the organiser ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) and you get a FREE t-shirt on the day. So Signup here - http://www.webindustry.asn.au/projects/barcamp-perth What's a BarCamp. Well those details are on the wiki http://www.barcamp.org/BarCampPerth -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
Not sure why this sort of tabular information isn't in a table? Tables are not all evil... I suppose you are going to have expanding/contracting with the plus button/icon. Besides that though, you should look into the absolute positioning of some of the elements you are putting on the page. You could always pull them back into line for IE6 alone: left:auto !important; /* For reasonably standards based browsers */ left:-20px; /* For hideous non-standards based browsers */ Karl On 6/15/07, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I'm hoping someone can see the obvious on the following page and tell me where I've gone wrong; http://vasco.brucehighway.com/reports-hierarchical-display.htm in Firefox it displays the totals on the right-hand side exactly where I expect it to be. In Internet explorer the numbers are aligning to the document and not to the relative positioned elements as in Firefox. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Taco Fleur clickfindT www.clickfind.com.au the new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
The items are in a relative positioned element. And yes you are right, the plus and minus will expand contract, which is why I am using a list. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karl Lurman Sent: Friday, 15 June 2007 12:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out... Not sure why this sort of tabular information isn't in a table? Tables are not all evil... I suppose you are going to have expanding/contracting with the plus button/icon. Besides that though, you should look into the absolute positioning of some of the elements you are putting on the page. You could always pull them back into line for IE6 alone: left:auto !important; /* For reasonably standards based browsers */ left:-20px; /* For hideous non-standards based browsers */ Karl On 6/15/07, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I'm hoping someone can see the obvious on the following page and tell me where I've gone wrong; http://vasco.brucehighway.com/reports-hierarchical-display.htm http://vasco.brucehighway.com/reports-hierarchical-display.htm in Firefox it displays the totals on the right-hand side exactly where I expect it to be. In Internet explorer the numbers are aligning to the document and not to the relative positioned elements as in Firefox. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Taco Fleur clickfindT www.clickfind.com.au the new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Taco Fleur wrote: I'm hoping someone can see the obvious on the following page and tell me where I've gone wrong; http://vasco.brucehighway.com/reports-hierarchical-display.htm in Firefox it displays the totals on the right-hand side exactly where I expect it to be. In Internet explorer the numbers are aligning to the document and not to the relative positioned elements as in Firefox. Internet Explorer (6 but I've seen 7 acting up as well) doesn't know where 'right' is. It always computes that based on the nearest container that 'hasLayout' [1] and is positioned. In your case, I think it is body (I haven't gone through all of your stylesheets). giving the parent p 'layout' _might_ solve the issue. Why not a table ? [1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
Hi, thanks. I'm not sure what giving the parent p 'layout' _might_ solve the issue. means though? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Wittenbergh Sent: Friday, 15 June 2007 1:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out... On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Taco Fleur wrote: I'm hoping someone can see the obvious on the following page and tell me where I've gone wrong; http://vasco.brucehighway.com/reports-hierarchical-display.htm in Firefox it displays the totals on the right-hand side exactly where I expect it to be. In Internet explorer the numbers are aligning to the document and not to the relative positioned elements as in Firefox. Internet Explorer (6 but I've seen 7 acting up as well) doesn't know where 'right' is. It always computes that based on the nearest container that 'hasLayout' [1] and is positioned. In your case, I think it is body (I haven't gone through all of your stylesheets). giving the parent p 'layout' _might_ solve the issue. Why not a table ? [1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
heh, funny, I see it as having absolute positioning within firebug when I
inspect one of the numbers in the very right column:
#result-tree .c-4 {reports-hierarchi... (line 102)
right:0px;
}
#result-tree .c-2, #result-tree .c-3, #result-tree .c-4 {reports-hierarchi...
(line 81)
position:absolute;
top:0pt;
}
p span {text.css (line 7)
color:#0099CC;
font-weight:bold;
}
Remember that firebug is showing the real-time cascade of the .c-4 styles.
Get firebug if you don't have it! It sometimes helps you diagnose greater
issues in all browsers, even if its a firefox-only extension.
In terms of the expanding/contracting feature determining if its a table or
a list: I actually believe it is safe to have this kind of UI feature within
a table cell, and the data still be tabular in nature. The expand/contract
is simply offering more detailed information for that particular cell of a
particular row.
The added semantic benefits of a table might be worth your while, besides
the fact that it will make the implementation of your css/xhtml far easier
and be visually consistent over more browsers (thinking older 5.0 browsers
here too).
With regards to that, I got a YAHOO javascript error on IE6 while trying to
expand/contract, which indicates to me that whoever is implementing the
client side is using YUI. That might not be the best choice if you are
concerned with older browsers, Yahoo have pretty much written off version 5
browsers...
Regards,
Karl
On 6/15/07, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Taco Fleur wrote:
I'm hoping someone can see the obvious on the following page and
tell me
where I've gone wrong;
http://vasco.brucehighway.com/reports-hierarchical-display.htm
in Firefox it displays the totals on the right-hand side exactly
where I
expect it to be.
In Internet explorer the numbers are aligning to the document and
not to the
relative positioned elements as in Firefox.
Internet Explorer (6 but I've seen 7 acting up as well) doesn't know
where 'right' is. It always computes that based on the nearest
container that 'hasLayout' [1] and is positioned. In your case, I
think it is body (I haven't gone through all of your stylesheets).
giving the parent p 'layout' _might_ solve the issue.
Why not a table ?
[1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
Philippe
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Philippe Wittenbergh
http://emps.l-c-n.com
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Re: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
On Jun 15, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Taco Fleur wrote: I'm not sure what giving the parent p 'layout' _might_ solve the issue. means though? Maybe this translation works better: Triggering 'hasLayout' on the parent p _might_ solve the issue Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not sure what
giving the parent p 'layout' _might_ solve the issue.
means though?
Philippe posted a link that explains this:
http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
But I believe it is the DIV that needs to have layout, try this:
div {zoom:1}
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Regards,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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RE: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
Hi,
that is correct, #result-tree .c-4 is absolute positioned within a relative
positioned element. To me, if you have a relative positioned element and you
put a absolute positioned element in there with right:0px I expect it to sit
right next to the relative positioned element, correct me if I am wrong?
Example;
li class=root positioned relative
p
a href=?1 onclick=doCheckAction( this );return false
class=dnDomain A/a
span class=c-2345/span
span class=c-38/span
span class=c-4353/span positioned absolute
/p
#result-tree ul li {
clear: right;
position: relative;
}
#result-tree .c-4 {
right: 0px;
}
_
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Karl Lurman
Sent: Friday, 15 June 2007 1:57 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it
out...
heh, funny, I see it as having absolute positioning within firebug when I
inspect one of the numbers in the very right column:
#result-tree .c-4 {reports-hierarchi... (line 102)
right: 0px;
}
#result-tree .c-2, #result-tree .c-3, #result-tree .c-4
{reports-hierarchi... (line 81)
position: absolute;
top:0pt ;
}
p span {text.css (line 7)
color:#0099CC;
font-weight:bold;
}
Remember that firebug is showing the real-time cascade of the .c-4 styles.
Get firebug if you don't have it! It sometimes helps you diagnose greater
issues in all browsers, even if its a firefox-only extension.
In terms of the expanding/contracting feature determining if its a table or
a list: I actually believe it is safe to have this kind of UI feature within
a table cell, and the data still be tabular in nature. The expand/contract
is simply offering more detailed information for that particular cell of a
particular row.
The added semantic benefits of a table might be worth your while, besides
the fact that it will make the implementation of your css/xhtml far easier
and be visually consistent over more browsers (thinking older 5.0 browsers
here too).
With regards to that, I got a YAHOO javascript error on IE6 while trying to
expand/contract, which indicates to me that whoever is implementing the
client side is using YUI. That might not be the best choice if you are
concerned with older browsers, Yahoo have pretty much written off version 5
browsers...
Regards,
Karl
On 6/15/07, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Taco Fleur wrote:
I'm hoping someone can see the obvious on the following page and
tell me
where I've gone wrong;
http://vasco.brucehighway.com/reports-hierarchical-display.htm
in Firefox it displays the totals on the right-hand side exactly
where I
expect it to be.
In Internet explorer the numbers are aligning to the document and
not to the
relative positioned elements as in Firefox.
Internet Explorer (6 but I've seen 7 acting up as well) doesn't know
where 'right' is. It always computes that based on the nearest
container that 'hasLayout' [1] and is positioned. In your case, I
think it is body (I haven't gone through all of your stylesheets).
giving the parent p 'layout' _might_ solve the issue.
Why not a table ?
[1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
Philippe
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RE: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
Sorry, It does not ring a bell on this side. What do you mean by 'hasLayout', I don't use that as a class or id name and I have no idea what else it could be? Probably the only person who doesn't get it, sorry... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Wittenbergh Sent: Friday, 15 June 2007 1:59 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out... On Jun 15, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Taco Fleur wrote: I'm not sure what giving the parent p 'layout' _might_ solve the issue. means though? Maybe this translation works better: Triggering 'hasLayout' on the parent p _might_ solve the issue Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
Sorry missed that link, thought it was part of the signature. Will check
this all out now. Cheers.
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Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz
Sent: Friday, 15 June 2007 2:14 PM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it
out...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not sure what
giving the parent p 'layout' _might_ solve the issue.
means though?
Philippe posted a link that explains this:
http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
But I believe it is the DIV that needs to have layout, try this:
div {zoom:1}
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Re: [WSG] Difference between IE and Firefox - can't figure it out...
On Jun 15, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Taco Fleur wrote: What do you mean by 'hasLayout', I don't use that as a class or id name and I have no idea what else it could be? Probably the only person who doesn't get it, sorry... Read the link in footnote [1] in my first message. It is only 45 printed pages long. [1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
