without improvements will eventually go extinct, possibly taking Venti to
its grave as well.
I don't think it's just sentimentalism on my part that keeps me interested,
it is the implicit, as yet unrealised promise. At least from my point of
view.
Lucio.
On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 4:07 PM Charles
with Venti as one component, but with Fossil quite dependent on
Venti?
Lucio.
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 9:16 PM David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Responding off list shortly :)
>
> I'd like to be included into the discussion as well.
>
> Thanks.
>
This is extremely helpful; thank you, Noam.
I'm not in a position to make any promises, but I will add my efforts to
get issues such as these at least not forgotten.
Lucio.
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 8:47 PM Noam Preil wrote:
> I would _love_ a complete list of known issues.
>
> What
al with it. But I am aware
that the times, they are a-changin'.
Lucio.
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 7:51 PM fig wrote:
> > The document is blatantly AI-generated
> > Not accurate at all
>
> Why can’t we remove these losers from the mailing list? Look at this mess.
> If you want
t the value of the emotional baggage
involved, in my opinion, is precisely zero, even though I have had quite a
few occasions for muttering and even cursing into my beard (or is it under
my breath?).
Lucio.
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 6:53 PM Noam Preil wrote:
> I have found multiple deadlocks over
experience. So is Venti only a trophy
application, or are there serious uses for it among the 9front community?
Lucio.
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 7:04 PM Jacob Moody wrote:
> On 5/15/24 11:20, Don Bailey wrote:
> >
> > I have zero emotional attachment to Fossil. What I am asking for, not
&
subtleties of "bad" as you
interpret it, but I will privately consider your judgement and interpret
your postings with a bias parallel to the one you have displayed toward me
so far.
And I will not go away. Not by choice.
Lucio.
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 4:37 PM Jacob Moody wrote:
> On
your
software for you for free"), I am not impolite enough to respond in kind.
Lucio.
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 8:05 AM Jacob Moody wrote:
> On 5/14/24 23:46, Lucio De Re wrote:
> > If this comes across as a troll, keep in mind that it is your
> interpretation that makes it
lly agree with Ian, we are responsible for what and how
gets discussed here.
Lucio.
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 1:20 AM michaelian ennis
wrote:
>
>
> > On May 14, 2024, at 12:07, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote:
> > M
> > This is another illustration of "The Mythical M
if instead of calling out bad behaviour, it got the benefit of the doubt. I
accept that I was as guilty of that presumption as much as anyone who
posted after me.
Lucio.
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 3:39 PM wrote:
> >
> > What I notice - correct me if I am mistaken - is that any comparis
did.
My apologies to Jacob, first, and second to anyone else who may have found
my behaviour offensive,
Lucio.
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 2:39 PM thedaemon via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> His name is Moody, you keep spelling it differently in what I can only
> assume is a passive ag
have long respectes, ask them) of the 9front community
that seem to take offence unless 9front is painted in a better light. I
guess that's permissible, but please mind your manners if you choose to go
that route, this is 9fans and 9front I believe has its own discussion
groups.
Lucio.
On Fri, May
the
very subject matter they are so disapproving of. Surely they realise that
9fans is a stupid place to do so?
Lucio.
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:49 AM wrote:
> Thanks! I’ve been practicing my impersonation. Want to hear my human
> impression next?
>
> The goal of writing is to articulate
the followers the option to provide that support
altogether. That's not the exact opposite of offering to support it.
Lucio.
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:27 AM Charles Forsyth
wrote:
> (if it was all that easy, why was it discarded entirely?
>
>
> I suspect no-one wanted to maintain i
may br factually right, but that is really not
enough.
Lucio.
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:52 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> no clue which conflict you're seeing, vic.
>
> there's been some trolling back and forth since forever, there's been
> complaints and contribution
now become 9legacy, but there are
significant 9front contributions. It would have been quite helpful if p9p
development had been farmed out to a team comprising developers (and
designers) from both camps.
Lucio.
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 11:06 AM wrote:
> I am using fossil on plan9port (which shou
of undertaking anything I don't think I can handle. But the
motivation is there, the question is whether the necessary cooperation will
also materialise.
My sincere thanks to Vic, once again, for dowsing the looming flames, we do
not need conflict, of the emotional brand, to escalate out of meas
dmit I got to know nits in these two distributions that I would
rather I didn't have to, but I've just about had enough.
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re cryptographically signed. Verify them.
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> Humans will do just fine.
> --
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ell become the foundation. Occasionally
Esperanto is mentioned, but my experience suggests that is as hopeless
as the adoption of Swahili in Africa.
PS: thanks for documenting your efforts, they will save others a lot
of brain-ache.
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ct identities. I tend to
think of 9front and 9legacy along similar lines.
I dream of "one Plan 9", but it is an immense and probably pointless exercise.
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thedra, I think you belong in the
Middle Ages, the Counter-Reformation at best.
We ought to have grown past religious belief by now, and started
accepting that the Earth revolves around the Sun.
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of the message
you are responding to, then it is not surprising that people
misunderstand your intentions.
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e to compose your reply, which is
definitely an improvement on the short, insulting exchanges that seem
to pop up in this list most of the time.
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ethods.
>
I assume that such an example, in this context, would be instructive,
if not immediately, certainly in the more distant future.
I am sincerely hoping you intend to publish your efforts that
certainly sound very promising.
Lucio.
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or it's already
there: "9fs fossil".
Lucio.
On 8/30/23, Don Bailey wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to `mk install' all cmds/libs. Can someone please remind me how
> to tell fossil that an active fs can be written?
>
> Thank you,
> D
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r ditching the
fossil/venti combination and consider centralising permanent storage
on something like ZFS instead?
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Too far for me to travel, but there is a lot in the list I will be
extremely sorry to miss.
Well done to all contributors!
Lucio.
On 3/13/23, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> The accepted papers are up on the website: http://iwp9.org/
>
> For convenience, I'll repeat the list here:
>
poorly re-inventing the wheel).
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suits you and - using the correct
credentials - copy it into /mail/lib/rewrite.
This for a Plan 9 native system. I am not familiar with p9p's mail
arrangement, but I expect it to differ only a little.
Lucio.
PS: Again, Plan 9 has an extensive log facility, I'm not sure how P9
I've been using Plan 9 since 1995, you wouldn't be able to pry it from
my cold, dead hands. I'm not an expert, like many others on 9fans and
its siblings, but I would find it hard to manage without its services.
Lucio.
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deploy UPAS (the mail server "mail/fs").
Lucio.
PS: You're the only other South African based user of p9p I am aware
of. Or 9fans member, for that matter.
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Are you perhaps using an unusual hyphen (m-dash, perhaps)?
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It's the "-F" that the invoked "acme" complains about, then the font
filename. That just doesn't compute.
mnt/font is interpreted by the font management library as a Unix
socket to the font server.
9 man fontsrv
will help some, it shows how to check which fonts are avai
You probably have a shell alias or a shell function called acme. The
p9p acme does accept the -f and -F options, I use them all the time.
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I frequently encounter situations where a mildly enhanced
"proto" feature would be a very fitting approach to address them.
Lucio.
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On 10/7/22, Lucio De Re wrote:
> #l and #l0 are identical, the latter is the software (for want of a
> better term) instance of the latter, #1 is the second and #2 is the
> third.
>
> If you read the man page carefully - and I'm answering this not out of
> experience, but bec
is in the man pages.)
Lucio.
On 10/7/22, Thorn Avery wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> I recently got a NIC for my tower, and I've been trying to no avail to mount
> the devices as /net is.
>
> I have the following devices:
> #l and #I, the motherboards inbuilt port
> #l0 and #I0, with
a Git development branch for this?
Lucio.
On 9/27/22, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> the gsoc thread reminded me that I should also probably post the
> hackathon writeup that I put together here, for the curious:
>
> https://orib.dev/9hack1.html
>
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identifying those analytical skills I found so useful in my own
education. I get to see a lot of youths, but few real gems that are
also interested in analytical thinking.
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Thank, Kurt. The SDF home page no doubt needs a small fix.
That is a lot of information and seems the product of much effort.
I'll find some time to assimilate it, see if there is anything I can
contribute.
Lucio.
On 8/2/22, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug
On 8/1/22, adr wrote:
>
> Oh, and thanks for trying with your pi, I know it takes time and
> I appreaciate it.
>
Well, let me say thanks to you for instigating some interesting and
seemingly fruitful discussion - a rare gem and a precious
education learners with much time on
their hands and very little beyond their smartphones to entertain
them) away from Tik-Tok, possibly also Whatsapp.
SDF bootcamp seems at least a seed for something at least some of
these teenagers may find instructive and a little mind expanding.
Lucio.
PS
Chinese to make great strides in computing.
Lucio.
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I have only one word for all the above: amazing!
As a dumb occidental, I have no idea where one starts with ideograms,
but I realise how different the concept is and how its complexity can
stimulate technical creativity.
Well done, all!
Lucio.
On 7/20/22, s...@9p.sdf.org wrote
On 5/16/22, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i still don't understand it. if you want a pointer of size 1 what
> keeps you from using a generic char or uint8 pointer?
>
I think what he's asking is "what's keeping everyone else from using...".
I guess we're all eva
is familiar with P9P.
Lucio.
PS: I found the release of fontsrv on "contrib", yk/lab/fontsrv/. It
contains its own version of freetype and, as far as I recall, it
compiles out of the box. It does require a configuration list of font
archives in /sys/lib/fontsrv.map. Please keep me poste
You nay have to delete the namespace in /tmp that may have been
created under root's permissions.
I'm guessing, but it seems the most likely culprit. That, or fontsrv,
which may also have left something that only root can access. Of
course, /mnt/font is a dreadful red herring.
Lucio
self in the process.
Lucio.
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Architecture Hardware. Their prices are very reasonable and product
range quite broad.
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Deliv
e knowledge entry bar that Intel and Microsoft -
and their allies - have created (that, I make no apologies for, is
Politics, the Politics of Technological Domination).
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one interested in giving me a hand consolidating the code into a
single, architecture-agnostic tool, please do contact me. What works
more or less out of the box is pretty good, it deserves more love and
affection.
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defensive, without realising he verged
beyond the offensive.
As for everyone else needing to voice an opinion - including myself -
what is your excuse for insulting people of whom you know only one
facet of their personality?
Lucio.
On 1/25/22, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> adr, you se
on makes him a friend on facebook. You
> made some really lonely sad piece of Mr. Hankey happy today.
>
We add happiness where we can, I guess. Machines have a right to the
occasional belly laugh too.
Plus, maybe there are Noddy points one scores against the
on realise that they may not
> have the resources... a bit like my friend sam... /c:2022Jan23
>
Thank you for the history lesson and the political savvy. Can we get
on with the main topic, now?
Lucio.
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I think I can help you, but right now is a bad moment, maybe nag me
over the weekend in private mail? I am running 9front on a T61 I
acquired specifically, but I did actually install 9legacy and your
problem seems familiar enough that I can at least compare notes with
you.
Lucio.
PS: your
no disks (in #S)
> panic: no disks (in #S)
> dumpstack
Why does it say "0M user"? Doesn't sound very promising.
Lucio.
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ry different from my own. I am however
entitled to pursue mine, with no need to draw insignificant
comparisons that can so quickly devolve into pissing contests.
Just my perspective. I'd like to hear how Vic sees this kind of cyber
archeology. Or anyone
Thank you, Cinap.
This certainly ought to be of interest to all.
Lucio.
On 9/25/21, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote:
> just tracked down kernel memory leak in devtls,
> might be of interested to other forks:
>
> http://git.9front.org/plan9fron
orts described
above, I'll try to formulate them so that they can be resolved
objectively. Private mail with suggestions, comments, insults and
praise will be entertained as best I can.
Lucio.
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You're inviting trouble :-)
Maybe if you give us some idea of magnitude you are prepared to work on?
Or which sphere of interest/expertise you're contemplating?
The wish list is long...
Lucio.
On 9/4/21, Conor Williams wrote:
> anyone got a list/one project to work on...
> i'm n
;
Thank you for raising them. As I said up front, I am not a P9F member
of any kind. But I know that its intentions are far less nefarious
than of those who wittingly ascribe nefarious intentions to them.
Again, 9front has an "inside", get it to address with P9F their and
your reservations. If they don't respond, then you and other 9fronters
can bring evidence of ill intentions to this forum.
Lucio.
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to
provide a conventional browsing experience for its audience. What does
that actually say about Plan 9's future?
That incidentally, must be qualified by the reality that NetBSD
doesn't fare much better: I have certainly not had the stomach to
migrate my workstation from Linux to NetBSD - even le
Yoh!
What can I say?
I kind of cherish being so wildly misrepresented. At least I'm taken
seriously, even if totally misunderstood.
Lucio.
On 8/18/21, Keith Gibbs wrote:
> Come, come, Vester. Please don’t introduce false premises under the guise of
> calling them out. I neve
ommon objective.
Lucio.
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t assumes malice behind
such an obvious proposal.
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evealing its
secrets to me. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor the money to
"call in your services".
If this is aimed at the P9F, I cannot possibly speak for them, I can
only hope that they share at least some of my own aims.
Lucio.
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On 8/18/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Lucio De Re :
>> Does it work?
>
> Have you tried it? What bugs do you
> have to report?
>
No. I have neither the 9front platform, nor the Oauth2 requirements
that would motivate an outsider to try something like that out.
Had
On 8/17/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Lucio De Re :
>> PS: This does rather sound like we ought to have a lobbying group
>
> You realize that this *is* the lobbying, right?
>
Does it work?
> Someone did the work, posted a patch, and is
> asking for review a
rop
of accidental sanity in an ocean of greed and competition. But, to
complete the imagery, I'd rather be plankton in a drop of Plan 9 than
a shark in the Linux Ocean. And I am, to the extent that I support and
most of all appreciate what makes my ecosystem continue to tick.
Including any contribut
-helper
>
>> Refresh tokens are not saved to persistent storage when factotum
>> exits. The user must provide consent every time factotum is restarted.
>
> For this, the tokens should probably be persisted into
> secstore -- but there are some security implications
> in giv
help in any way, I can be contacted, most conveniently, on
whatsapp (+27 83 251 5824) or skype (luciodere), neither being much of
a favourite - Plan 9 does rather spoil one, albeit not for choices,
thankfully.
Lucio.
PS: This does rather sound like we ought to have a lobbying group to
propo
urses into
that :-).
But from my Plan 9 workstation that is absurdly not possible. Or, I
have missed a step and I need somebody to rattle me some: what would
it take to serve 9P on Posix (in P9P, in other words) over the
network? Fontsrv and gitsrv would b
k to rescue this planet, or will it be too
late? I suppose if one omits human exceptionalism, Nature will triumph
by default. But it's going to hurt like hell!
Lucio.
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erver to
initiate an acme session, rather than using SSH to forward X?
Lucio.
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nd handwriting may have been discarded in the recent past, but it can
be brought back if, say, speech recognition won't work.
We've moved on and Plan 9 can catch up. If not, then I think
obsolescence looms large. But I don't think so, I think it just needs
the ability to absorb lesson
On 6/24/21, un...@cpan.org wrote:
> Quoth Lucio De Re :
>> On 6/24/21, Romano wrote:
>> > [...] But I'm a nobody, so I'm probably not going to persuade
>> > anyone.
>> >
>> [ ... ]
>>
>> The sentiment implied in the sentence above is a bare
the next
generation of hardware that may prevent this generation producing an
Atlantis-sized civilisation collapse. Of course, that's not to suggest
this must be Nemo's retirement package, it means that the right
calibre of humans must undertake to perform such an analysis to its
completion.
Lucio.
PS:
y know that such a thing is
possible, but something about the CDROM was definitely relevant.
Lucio.
PS: It's confusing to call that situation a loop. All that's happening
is that partdisk is failing and expects you to fix the problem before
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ven here in
Africa.
Lucio.
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) will be straightforward even for a Windows user.
Lucio.
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I have no doubt that they will find what they seek, or cope with
something near enough.
Let me ponder this, see what further suggestions may come from our
not-quite-OSS community.
Lucio.
On 2/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
>> You could recommend the Plan 9 RISC-V
pposite direction. But I think I can find a way.
Lucio.
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operate in a rarefied atmosphere of custom design
and they have a working formula. I wish I could contribute in a
significant way to their success. I have a long wish list revolving
around their products and philosophy, just not the funds.
Lucio.
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>From there, many recent and less recent developments can be
discovered. They have a neat catalogue and apply pretty good QC. For
those in the EU, they operate from Bulgaria. Their Englis
nality or merely cosmetic, irrelevant decorations.
That's all that I believe needs saying, the details will make for
interesting archeology, a few hundred years, if that many, from now.
Lucio.
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want to spend more time on work others have already done.
Is that an unreasonable desire? Should I simply feel privileged that I
have been able to play with a pointless Plan 9 network, throw away
twenty-odd years of Plan 9 experience and simply cross over to the
Dark Side, instead, as my co
unity
agreement, even when guided by a "foundation".
I think what has kept Plan 9 ticking for the past 25 years or more, is
that this community is small enough to keep connected to the "product"
in its more abstract sense. Whatever that sense is, it is what we
share and, presumably,
project path to achieve this objective? Could there be
much smaller portions of such an objective that could be progressively
achieved in a distributed, centrally managed manner?
Lucio
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etting the outcome approved.
I would aim at a well documented plan of attack, maybe the community
(this community) would be willing, certainly able, to help.
Github, perhaps?
Lucio.
PS: You don't have to succeed immediately, real progress moves slowly
and in
"branches" as would apply in this complex
case.
Perhaps I can recommend isolating bug fixes as distinct from adding
features, but where does one draw the line?
Best of luck, if you intend to proceed.
Lucio.
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No the source code differences are pretty vast as well, although right
now I couldn't tell you what the main theme of the changes might be.
Lucio.
On 1/27/21, Ethan Gardener wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, at 5:10 AM, Lucio De Re wrote:
>>
>> PS: The new executable seems noticea
en just to cope with this year's #ifdefs or feature defines.
>
Under NetBSD 9.1, I needed to add -D_NETBSD_SOURCE to get rid of
warnings for undefined initgroups() and ruserok(). The compiler seem
to recommend getgroups() and cuserid() as alternatives. I'm not sure
how best to deal with this for other
or the tiny backspace, so that isn't quite the
keyboard layout I would choose.
Sometimes I wish we'd stuck to the clunky original IBM 3270-style keyboard...
Lucio.
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I can't find opossum by simple google, that's as much as I can
contribute. Possum seems to be a web library, so I can't comment, at
least not yet.
Lucio,
On 1/7/21, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote:
> I got now rwo new web browsers which can do css and/or js on my
> 9front box.
>
&g
"ip link ..." can optionally set or select the ethernet address, which
is indeed 48 bits (6 bytes) long. I can see how that may be linked to
the DHCP failure, but only as an educated guess.
Lucio.
On 12/9/20, remyw...@cs.washington.edu wrote:
> Sorry, I should have quoted th
devices for VMs, in the new lingo (or in the old) even though my
TCP/IP experience goes back to 1990. But then I think the RFCs at that
stage were still below one thousand.
Lucio.
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On list, please, Devon and Remy. I'd also like to get 9VX working.
Lucio.
On 12/8/20, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
> Ah, neat. David's repo seems more up to date.
>
> Linux has undergone a few network subsystem and tool revelations in the
> intervening decade, so may be worth upda
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