On 3/26/21, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> That reminds me that this
> https://retrage.github.io/2020/08/01/9pfspkg-en.html looked quite
> interesting but I haven't had a chance to try it yet.
>
I have followed the instructions and with a little help (I filed an
issue and I got a prompt, helpful
I need time to assimilate mindset changing concepts, I should not
respond as quickly as I am doing here, so please understand that
nothing below is intended to offend anyone, it is more a totally
subjective and poorly formulated knee-jerk reaction to what is clearly
a critical event in Plan 9's
On 4/4/21, josecllopessoa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Somebody, pacient, have some idea how can I solve this.?
If I remember right, under VMware ESX, the CDROM needed to be
disconnected during installation. But the exact details are no longer
clear in my recollections. I don't really know that
On 3/26/21, saif.re...@outlook.com wrote:
> I've uncompressed .bz2 but the problem is burning the .ISO file. And I also
> have some problem. I don't use any GNU or Linux related stuffs. Most of the
> ISO burner are from GUN. I used the one that comes with Windows and also
> tried Rufus(though I
The trouble here isn't so much Windows as failure to realise that a
compressed image isn't what one needs to write to the CD. I don't know
what tools are available on Windows to uncompress .bz2 files. Once
that hurdle is overcome, I have little doubt that wrting to CD (or to
a USB drive) will be
On 2/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
>> So far I have been shy to recommend Plan 9 to them
>
> You could recommend the Plan 9 RISC-V assembler, C compiler and linker
> as a stand-alone toolset without the need to run Plan 9 - because they
> are also available as part of inferno,
I have no doubt that they will find what they seek, or cope with
something near enough.
Let me ponder this, see what further suggestions may come from our
not-quite-OSS community.
Lucio.
On 2/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
>> You could recommend the Plan 9 RISC-V assembler, C
They say:
> This is the first Espressif product with RISC-V core, the datasheet is on
> their web.
>
> This is also the first SOC with RISC-V core we have access to, so we are
> excited to learn > more the ISA on low level.
>
> Any resources to recommend?
So far I have been shy to recommend
On 2/24/21, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
>
> FWIW, I bought Olimex-lime2 (ARM) (severals) and I'm more satisfied with
> these than with
> Raspberries (I installed NetBSD on this, plan9 was not tried).
>
> So if the RISC-V is on the same level of quality, it should be certainly
> worth.
Exactly my
On 2/12/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
>
> The mix of derailing the thread, and the lack of
> answer for echoline, who *was* offering to do the
> work, but got no answer on whether there's interest,
> just rubbed me the wrong way.
>
It wasn't meant to derail the thread, it was meant to lay down
On 2/13/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> what is the dark side? for me the borders between plan9 and non-plan9
> has been getting less tight, bec. with more experience i understand
> how to translate mindsets, or even code, from one system to the other
> without anybody in my real life ever
On 8/19/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I never said it was *the* development branch.
>
> lol
>
> but it is.
>
Correct. On two fronts, to coin a phrase. It is active and it is well supported.
It is the pragmatic end of the Plan 9 spectrum, courtesy of Cinap who
clearly would be a Torvalds
-helper
>
>> Refresh tokens are not saved to persistent storage when factotum
>> exits. The user must provide consent every time factotum is restarted.
>
> For this, the tokens should probably be persisted into
> secstore -- but there are some security implications
> in giv
On 8/18/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Lucio De Re :
>> Does it work?
>
> Have you tried it? What bugs do you
> have to report?
>
No. I have neither the 9front platform, nor the Oauth2 requirements
that would motivate an outsider to try something like that out.
Had
On 8/17/21, Keith Gibbs wrote:
> One Plan Nine?
>
> Sure, we have the historical version of the Bell Labs/Lucient codebase,
> preserved as 9legacy, but yeah we have one currently developed branch of
> Plan 9 called 9front. Are you proposing that to be called “Plan 9 from Bell
> Labs 5th edition”?
On 8/17/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Lucio De Re :
>> PS: This does rather sound like we ought to have a lobbying group
>
> You realize that this *is* the lobbying, right?
>
Does it work?
> Someone did the work, posted a patch, and is
> asking for review a
On 8/19/21, sirjofri wrote:
> Hello dear community,
>
> I've read through many things in this thread and just want to add some
> two cents in a list format:
>
> 1) p9f (to my knowledge) never said anything about The One Plan 9. This
> was afaik the idea of some other community member, and I never
On 8/18/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> is that my cue, are you calling in my services?!
>
If you have any actual understanding of factotum, *I* could easily
gain from consulting such knowledge to scratch some of my immediate
itches, as I'm no expert and factotum is only slowly revealing its
On 8/18/21, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go
> on.
>
Let me put it this way: German and Italian motorcycle manufacturers
eventually figured that the gear shift should be on the same side as
Japanese manufacturers preferred.
What
On 8/18/21, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm not
> sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need
> official recognition. Let 9front be what it is. It can exist independent of
> the Plan 9 name.
>
The
Plan 9 is Plan 9. 9front is 9front. 9front is an
>> open-source fork or derivation of Plan 9.
>>
>> Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm
>> not sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need
>> official recognition. Let 9f
On 8/16/21, Demetrius Iatrakis wrote:
> This is a preview of OAuth2 support in factotum, as part of this year's
> GSoC:
> https://github.com/Mitsos101/plan9front/pull/1
>
Sounds amazing, on many levels. So, thank you.
Having just been through an only partially successful hack of P9P
factotum and
The combination of (IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad) T60 chassis and T61 mother
board is known as FrankenPad, I learnt since I bought a none too well
refurbished Lenovo T61 7659-CTO laptop for a moderate price. I had
long wished I could get a T61, so that was some impulsive buying.
Maybe I should have spent
ot too shoddy at the auld porting etc...cw
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On 12/31/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> so instead i learned to be a little bit picky about the hardware
> avoiding having to write drivers for everything that doesn't work.
>
The Lenovo Thinkpad T68 I managed to lay my hands on wasn't that cheap
and came with an Atheros based wi-fi card.
On 7/21/21, adr via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
>> You'll need to reinvent (or change, at least) plumbing if you want
>> multiple editors, be it one
>> per file or one per project.
>
> I'll make sam create allways the named pipe with the pid in the
> name so I can identify wich one I want to
On 7/19/21, Steve Simon wrote:
>
> my cpu for windows was always incomplete, but good enough that i never
> finished it properly.
>
It's on contrib, is it not? I'll take a peek, if my haphazard priority
list allows it :-)
> for posix i just use sftpfs or now cinap’s sshftp to import the
On 7/19/21, adr via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> [ ...]. Running samterm locally is way more efficient than
> using X forwarding.
>
I have adopted on my Linux (Mint) workstations - plural - the paradigm:
ssh -fX remote acme -l lib/task.acme # for different tasks
and it works even
On 1/16/22, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote:
> It gets a bit further -- now it actually panics :-P
>
> [ ... ]
>
> cpu0: 5200MHz GenuineIntel Core i7 (cpuid: AX 0x206A1 DX 0x79BA97F)
> ELCR: 02E8
> 497M memory: 497M kernel data, 0M user, 18M swap
> panic: no disks (in #S)
> panic: no
he texts looks very small on the
> screen. Is there any way to make a courier font of a bigger size like 16px
> or 15px.
>
> Thank you
>
> _resun
>
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On 2/18/22, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> Plan 9 is applying to GSoC again!
>
> [ ... ]
I've done a bit of work on P9P's fontsrv as well as a version -
somewhat mysteriously different - "ported" to Plan 9. If we can debate
the pros and cons of effectively replacing the static availability of
fonts in
You nay have to delete the namespace in /tmp that may have been
created under root's permissions.
I'm guessing, but it seems the most likely culprit. That, or fontsrv,
which may also have left something that only root can access. Of
course, /mnt/font is a dreadful red herring.
Lucio.
On 1/28/22, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> I noticed that I can't distribute fonts and ghostscript as part of a plan9
> (9legacy, 9front) system due to their licensing terms.
>
Any font you realy, really can't live without?
> Does anybody know about code, libraries, binaries,
On 1/28/22, Bakul Shah wrote:
> The idea:
> - make it very easy to create hardware gadgets by
> providing a firmware/hardware building block that
> talks 9p on the host interface side & interfaces
> with device specific hardware.
>
> [ ... ]
>
Sounds very appealing.
There's a UEFI-based
On 1/28/22, Bakul Shah wrote:
>
> Think of really simple, low power, low cost devices.
> USB can also provide power. USB+ATtiny85 devel boards
> cost ~$3 even at Amazon. And FPGA boards can be
> pretty inexpensive too. If you can find them.
>
I've recommended olimex.com in the past. They
I've
> encountered the same problem when installing vanilla Plan 9 from Bell Labs,
> but none of the suggestions in the Plan 9 troubleshooting guide work.
>
> Has anyone encountered similar problems before or any ideas for how I could
> resolve this issue? Thank you!
>
> --yakku
On 1/23/22, Conor Williams wrote:
> hello mein names ist __insert name here___
>
> this is not a 9front mailing list
It isn't, but unless *all* 9front users and fans (need not be one
homogenous group) choose to stop using this list, I have no objection
to assisting them or learn from them. I
On 1/24/22, adr wrote:
>
> You are aware that you are talking to the most stupidly writen bot
> in the history of the _I've_no_life_some_one_pay_me_attention_please_
> retards?
>
> There is an episode of South Park when some poor kid get
> all exited because one person makes him a friend on
st right wing ideas.
>>> The cause to make plan 9 an accepting welcoming community for all
>>> humans requires good information resources and support.
>>> The funny-named organization I just thought up, The Flan 9 Poundation,
>>> offers a bounty
or it's already
there: "9fs fossil".
Lucio.
On 8/30/23, Don Bailey wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to `mk install' all cmds/libs. Can someone please remind me how
> to tell fossil that an active fs can be written?
>
> Thank you,
> D
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On 11/10/23, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> [ ... ]
>
> The reasoning behind this thread is only informing others about possible
> problems I encountered. I don't need a solution I already have a working
> workaround using simple locks. My code would be of no benefit for other
>
On 11/9/23, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
>
> If there is interest for reproducing the exact circumstances I can write a
> small example app which involves different processes accessing the same
> shared memory segments which are inherited by the rfork methods.
>
I assume that such an
On 5/16/22, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i still don't understand it. if you want a pointer of size 1 what
> keeps you from using a generic char or uint8 pointer?
>
I think what he's asking is "what's keeping everyone else from using...".
I guess we're all evangelists at heart.
Lucio.
I have only one word for all the above: amazing!
As a dumb occidental, I have no idea where one starts with ideograms,
but I realise how different the concept is and how its complexity can
stimulate technical creativity.
Well done, all!
Lucio.
On 7/20/22, s...@9p.sdf.org wrote:
> With the
Chinese to make great strides in computing.
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On 8/1/22, adr wrote:
>
> Oh, and thanks for trying with your pi, I know it takes time and
> I appreaciate it.
>
Well, let me say thanks to you for instigating some interesting and
seemingly fruitful discussion - a rare gem and a precious one.
Lucio.
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02, 2022 at 05:38:39AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
>> It's a shame that the SDF wiki
>> (https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=vps_-_plan_9_9front) returns a
>> missing page.
>
> Looks like it just got moved:
> https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=plan_9_9front
>
> khm
> incomplete
>> > amd64 install. For building libc again:
>> >
>> > cd /sys/src/libc/ && mk install && mk clean
>> >
>> > However, you may be missing more then just libc, in that case may just
>> > be best to rebuild
>> &g
On 8/2/22, Clout Tolstoy wrote:
> Years ago I worked at a non-profit called FreeGeek (in Portland, Oregon
> USA) . We used to do grants for computers and sent some over to Uganda,
> amongst other places. I'm not sure of their current status on their grant,
> but it could be worth a shot. You
a Git development branch for this?
Lucio.
On 9/27/22, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> the gsoc thread reminded me that I should also probably post the
> hackathon writeup that I put together here, for the curious:
>
> https://orib.dev/9hack1.html
>
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o into creating a network stacks
> directory?
> 2: is the way Im doing so the correct course, or is there a best practice i
> should be following instead?
>
> Thank you :) This is my first time on the mailing list so please be kind!
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On 10/7/22, Lucio De Re wrote:
> #l and #l0 are identical, the latter is the software (for want of a
> better term) instance of the latter, #1 is the second and #2 is the
> third.
>
> If you read the man page carefully - and I'm answering this not out of
> experience, but bec
On 1/17/23, revr...@mweb.co.za wrote:
> [ ... ]. Yes, I am trying to set up Mail on plan9 but it is
> for me like a blind man groping in the dark. I did manage to do it once, but
> have no idea how I did it!
The manual pages take some getting used to, but, believe me,
everything you need is held
On 1/17/23, revr...@mweb.co.za wrote:
> In trying to access Mail via Acme, I get this error:
>
> Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/:open '/mail/fs/mbox/' does not exist
>
> Is this a bug? Anyone know how to resolve this issue?
>
I haven't tried it yet myself, but I presume you need to configure and
deploy
It's the "-F" that the invoked "acme" complains about, then the font
filename. That just doesn't compute.
mnt/font is interpreted by the font management library as a Unix
socket to the font server.
9 man fontsrv
will help some, it shows how to check which fonts are avai
Are you perhaps using an unusual hyphen (m-dash, perhaps)?
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You probably have a shell alias or a shell function called acme. The
p9p acme does accept the -f and -F options, I use them all the time.
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On 1/17/23, revr...@mweb.co.za wrote:
> I have made some progress. I have managed to retrieve email in Acme, but as
> yet I cannot send. If I try to send a mail nothing happens.
>
You now need to change the system settings for upas in the /mail/lib
directory. Pick an example that suits you and -
On 11/9/22, fig wrote:
> sirjofri, thank you for the reply. don’t be sorry for the long response, i
> greatly appreciate it. when i was told plan 9 is built on only a few
> principles and basic abstractions, that was spot on.
>
If you read the early Plan 9 documentation, you'll discover that
> Jacob Moody
> - Ghostbusters
> Noam Preil and Sigrid
> - An O(1) Method for Storage Snapshots
> Brian L Stuart
> - Plan 9 and Inferno Go to School
> Brian L Stuart
> -A 9P Server for Application Management in Single Level Stores: A Status
> R
On 4/6/23, n...@pixelhero.dev wrote:
> Quoth Charles Forsyth :
>> fussing about certain things for hard drives that probably don't matter
>> for
>> SSD let alone nvme
>
> I am once again asking you to be more specific, please :)
>
> I have Plans for improving venti for myself, it'd be great to
Briefly: I hacked P9P's ssh-agent to handle my 4096-bit RSA key, but
it still interacts poorly with conventional Linux/Debian installations
of OpenSSH. The error message:
agent key RSA SHA256:XXX...XXX returned incorrect signature type
is explained as follows on stackoverflow:
This message
On 1/26/24, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> I literally don’t care.
>
Then I don't think you belong here.
If you believe you can excommunicate the majority of Plan 9
contributors (have you counted the members of the "Pure 9" vs "9front"
clans, at all?) by dictum ex cathedra, I think you belong in the
On 1/25/24, Noam Preil wrote:
> I wasn't talking to you :P
>
> That was a response to the post that looked AI-generated. I sincerely
> apologize if I accidentally responded to your post instead, but I don't
> think I did
>
If you find it difficult to quote at least the sender of the message
you
On 1/26/24, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> People use 9front, which is not plan 9. Many good things
>> started as forks, and that's ok.
>
> mostly i agreed. but to me plan9 is just an old 9front version without
> the bootloader.
>
It's a neat summary, but it reflects a particular perspective
ell become the foundation. Occasionally
Esperanto is mentioned, but my experience suggests that is as hopeless
as the adoption of Swahili in Africa.
PS: thanks for documenting your efforts, they will save others a lot
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rather I didn't have to, but I've just about had enough.
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> >> Addressing Historical Concerns
> >> Dedicating time to openly discuss historical concerns is crucial for
> moving forward. This could help reconcile and strengthen community ties.
> >>
> >> Feedback on these suggestions and potential interest in
d achievements of community members is
> important. Plans to introduce a recognition program that highlights
> significant contributions and successes are being explored.
> > >>
> > >> Addressing Historical Concerns
> > >> Dedicating time to openly discuss hi
cy-only improvement that's worth having in
> >>> the first place? why does this discussion here even exist? if you want
> >>> interoperability between things just upgrade everything to 9front.
> >>> there's no more straightforward way, or?
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> noam had also tried to update it based on latest 9front some time
> ago, but I'm not sure where that lives.
>
> You have everything you need, courtesy of your "enemies", the
> "defenders of the true 9front faith", whatever that i
are best solved by a fist fight, therefore
> acknowledging the legacy of dispute resolution methods of our ancestors and
> fostering a more resilient and vibrant community that thrives on both
> change
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gressive way to insult him?
>
> — thedæmon
>
> On Friday, May 10th, 2024 at 6:53 AM, Lucio De Re
> wrote:
>
> I am not allowed to ignore some advice when Vic raises a much more
> interesting subject matter and does it in a perfectly justified and well
> formulated fa
ones
> were ignored.
>
> The flurries of traffic on this list often seem to have a negative tone to
> me. It means a lot to me when the conversations are supportive.
>
> I hope this recent activity continues on as more collaborative
> conversations. Nobody joins this list who
your
software for you for free"), I am not impolite enough to respond in kind.
Lucio.
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 8:05 AM Jacob Moody wrote:
> On 5/14/24 23:46, Lucio De Re wrote:
> > If this comes across as a troll, keep in mind that it is your
> interpretation that makes it
he past for reasons not dissimilar from these; I can read the
> undercurrent ("because you are asking for other people to maintain your
> software for you for free"), I am not impolite enough to respond in kind.
>
> Are your intentions not to persuade someone in the 9front world tha
al consideration. So why then
> are you complaining
> that 9front made the decision to remove that option for the uninformed
> user? Does it not
> make more sense to direct users towards a filesystem that is more
> resilient and requires
> less watering?
>
> All of this is entire
enough I haven't bothered investigating most of them yet.
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branch of 9front with fossil restored. I have discussed what
> would be needed to add fossil upstream again, and there was acceptance
> to the possibility if the issues get worked out _first_.
>
> The hostility on this list is pervasive and comes from all sides. If
> your goal is posi
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wrote:
> Fossil will run without venti, but the moment you connect it to a venti,
> it cannot be standalone again, as it stands.
>
> On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 14:50, Lucio De Re wrote:
>
>> Please include me as well. I have an unambitious plan I would like to
>> ex
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