The draft standard has some standards for dynamic markings between the !...!, as a modifier on a chord much like the chord symbol (which is enclosed in quotes). It's also possible to 'abuse' the chord notation ("...") to place dynamics below notes, but that doesn't really do it for things like
Title: RE: [abcusers] Dynamics
Quit sending me this crap.
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From: Starling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:55 PM
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Subject: [abcusers] Dynamics
Sorry, having a bit of trouble with the documentation. Does anybody
Gianni Cunich wrote:
I won't let your offensive emails drive me
away... Do you actually wish to ask Toby making this a censored list?
Not a bad idea actually. Why don't we take a vote on expelling Gianni
from the list?
Phil Taylor
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On Friday 02 November 2001 04:31, Phil Taylor wrote:
Gianni Cunich wrote:
I won't let your offensive emails drive me
away... Do you actually wish to ask Toby making this a censored list?
Not a bad idea actually. Why don't we take a vote on expelling Gianni
from the list?
Phil Taylor
Just for the record:
I've just set up an e mail filter to autmotacially remove all messages
with the subject Re: [abcusers] dynamics (was). Can smeone tell me
when this is over?
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Wendy Galovich wrote:
Well, at this point Gianni has earned himself the sad distinction of being
the only individual whose posts I have filtered, on any list, ever.
Same here. Likewise, a first.
If/when I see responses from other list members that indicate he's
Richard Robinson said -
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.. Richard Robinson and others
have argued that the development of the abc standard should be
associated with a software project.
I have reviewed all my postings to this thread, since
Wendy Galovich said-
A Wiki page? See http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WhatIsaWiki
What I'm thinking here is that if an editable page - say, a table listing abc
applications against each detail of the standard specifications, was publicly
available, a sizeable group of contributors could
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From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] dynamics (was)
But silly is not the main point. I lost my temper, yes. For the second
time since this list was started. I am seeing
Laurie Griffiths said -
There was a move - and I was part of it - to try to make some sort of
progress on the standard. Part of the thinking was that the fewer people
involved the quicker we might agree. Part of the thinking was that if we
enhanced the standard, even if we didn't do it the way
On Wed 31 Oct 2001 at 05:17AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There seems to be some confusion here. Has the standards committee decided
anything or not? Could we have a clear statement from the committee (rather
than individual members) on what it has achieved and its current status?
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a posting a few days ago, Laura Conrad spoke first of the
difficulties of achieving agreement on a standard and then spoke of the
sort of the sort of open-source project that she would like to see. I
took these as one topic reflecting more of
, 2001 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] dynamics (was)
On Wed 31 Oct 2001 at 05:17AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There seems to be some confusion here. Has the standards committee
decided
anything or not? Could we have a clear statement from the committee
(rather
than individual members
On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There doesn't seem to be much point in being involved in an
open-source project coded in a language you don't understand.
Sorry, but that's absurd. Coding is not the only way to contribute to a
software project, and I would argue that it is not
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From: Eric Mrozek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] dynamics (was)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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time for a new approach, preferably one involving as much of the abc
community as possible
Hello,
reading all this dynamic messages, I want to ask for a bit of
moderation, since things do not get better by breaking down bridges
which have to be rebuilt afterwards anyway.
Abc as it is is working right now and whether there is a further
developement for the standard and/or the
Eric Mrozek said -
Bryan, this is an open list - you won't get anyone to agree to your
personal terms. You'd be best off to just post your thoughts and don't
mind the critique, whether it's meant personally or not.
Well, some of the critique has been extremely personal. Of course I'm going to
Jack Campin said -
Programs like abc2win only let you output ABC they can interpret.
abc2win has come under considerable critiscism on this list for its deviations from the standard. After not inconsiderable effort on my part, abc2nwc now accepts abc2win tunes without much trouble. This was
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[
time for a new approach, preferably one involving as much of the abc
community as possible not just a self chosen clique
]
Do you have a positive suggestion ?
Certainly, but before I do, could I have your assurance that you will
give my suggestions proper
Eric == Eric Mrozek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eric P.S. In the spirit of developing cross-platform tools... I currently
Eric typeset music using abc2ps and abcm2ps, but usually convert the
Eric postscript to PDF when sharing the files with others. Because the
Eric Unisys
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard Robinson said -
Consider the possibility that a separately-maintained ABC library,
open-source bug-fixed by anybody that cares to take part, linked into
your front-end code, might make your life easier too ?
I'm sorry, as a non-VB
I'm probably going to have to provide an abcfix program that
attempts to standardize non-compliant abc files.
I'd like to see how that handles BarFly output.
BarFly doesn't *have* output; it's a text editor, it doesn't enforce
any ABC dialect any more than Emacs does. I've used it to write
Jack Campin said -
BarFly doesn't *have* output; it's a text editor, it doesn't enforce
any ABC dialect any more than Emacs does.
Don't text editors have output?
I am not a Mac user so I have no direct experience of the nature of BarFly, but I do know that a number of people have posted tunes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not a Mac user so I have no direct experience of the nature of
BarFly, but I do know that a number of people have posted tunes in abc
generated by using BarFly. From where I'm standing these are BarFly
output. They appear to have various characteristics
BarFly doesn't *have* output; it's a text editor, it doesn't enforce
any ABC dialect any more than Emacs does.
Don't text editors have output?
I am not a Mac user so I have no direct experience of the nature o
BarFly, but I do know that a number of people have posted tunes in
abc
Funny how a thread subject can drift so far from the original and yet still remain appropriate.
Frank Nordberg said -
BarFly follows the standard (ABC 1.6) pretty well, but all abc
applications differs when it comes to various extensions.
Yes, I think it does. (If it's only a text editor why
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
This is exactly my intent with libabc. If all goes well, I'll probably
go and put it on sourceforge somewhere.
two sites are already set up for you:
1) http://abc.sourceforge.net - standard ABC
1) http://abcplus.sourceforge.net - ABC with extensions for
Laura Conrad said -
What we need is a developer who is going to:
Use open source, so that anyone can fix bugs.
Roll contributions from other people into the source.
Implement the standard as written.
Clearly label any extensions to the standard used by the
program.
Write code that can
Taral said -
I'd also like to announce that I will be making the following amendments
to the standard in libabc:
I'm not sure about unilateral declarations of changes to the standard but nobody from the standards committee seems to have complained. The trouble is, you have no way of enforcing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Laura Conrad said -
What we need is a developer who is going to:
Use open source, so that anyone can fix bugs.
Roll contributions from other people into the source.
Implement the standard as written.
Clearly label any extensions to the standard
Bert Van Vreckem said -
I don't see how an open source abclib can have any influence on, let
alone be a threat for these projects. What exactly do you mean?
I don't see abc as being defined by any software implementation but to
be a standard (or, perhaps, a protocol would be better) for the
taral == taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Good luck. The abc developers community consists of a lot of people who are
more committed to their own software than the broader concept of abc and are
generally hostile to the concept of a standard. This is why the standards
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian, what's being talked about here is a library. You know ? A set of
useful functions that can be included in other peoples' programs, right ?
The only possible use for a library is to _help_ people to write their own
programs. Given a
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To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [abcusers] dynamics
Thanks, I re-read the abc2midi and I found the dynamics with the other
markings.
My application will be an interactive GUI text editor that also
displays the
notes
taral == taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Write code that can be worked on by multiple people. The fact
that abc2ps isn't written this way is probably one of the
major reasons for the situation described above.
I think this is true of a lot of free software.
From:
Hello,
if possible please not the and characters, I use them for
indicating the positions of the handle of the hurdy gurdy.
I would recomend some other not singable standard keyboard character
anyway: @ or# or $ .
The Idea to tie it to the L: could have its merits, especially if one
could
On Mon 22 Oct 2001 at 06:05PM -0500, Taral wrote:
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 06:14:17PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
I think what's being proposed is that:
a-a is two tied notes
a--a is two notes tied with a dashed tie
a-.a is two notes died with a dotted tie
a-.a
Laura Conrad wrote:
...
I think what's being proposed is that:
...
a-.a is two notes died with a dotted tie
We can't use that one. That particular syntax is already used in abc for
something else.
Taral wrote:
...
Try putting the . before the notes: (.a.b.c.d)
This one too.
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 01:30:30AM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
Which, doesn't your abc2ps produce dotted notes ?
Odd thing, though. My (a.b.c.d.) above ought, surely, to produce
staccato notes with a slur over them ? In fact, the first note doesn't
taral == taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
taral On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 06:14:17PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
I agree, but what I want to hear is not so much about new features but
a willingness to consider non-standard behavior as a bug (except for
documented extensions),
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:30:17AM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
So I refuse to get excited about an ABC application just because it
implements new, potentially useful features. What we need is a
developer who is going to:
Use open source, so that anyone can fix bugs.
Roll
Richard Robinson writes:
Taral writes:
and operators:
The operator will be used for splits into 2 voices in a single
measure, thus:
|F2A2BcF2c2bc|
Is this the same syntax that abc2mtex used to use ? And, is there much abc
out there that uses it ? I used to have a few, I
formats) later on.
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From: Guido Gonzato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:58 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: [abcusers] dynamics
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Aaron Newman wrote:
I read in the FAQ that there is no way now to do dynamics
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Aaron Newman wrote:
I read in the FAQ that there is no way now to do dynamics in the official
ABC language. How are people handling this?
the FAQ should be updated. In actual fact, many ABC applications support
dynamics; abcm2ps, jaabc2ps, abc2midi, to name but a few.
On Sat 20 Oct 2001 at 05:41AM -0700, Aaron Newman wrote:
I read in the FAQ that there is no way now to do dynamics in the official
ABC language. How are people handling this?
abc2midi uses !p! !pp! !f! !fff! and so on.
I am working on a (yet another) free ABC music editing and display
Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
I'll take this time to announce that I am working on a libabc that
eventually will handle abc file parsing so that development of new abc
applications is easier.
Richard If
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:56:15PM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
|F2A2BcF2c2bc|
Is this the same syntax that abc2mtex used to use ? And, is there much abc
out there that uses it ? I used to have a few, I _think_ I've migrated
them all to use
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:56:27PM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
It used a syntax with a '' to separate 2 voices, before the V: was
suggested. Looked pretty much like what you're saying, but involved
something extra in the K: line, iirc, which no-one else really adopted.
From what I saw, it
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 01:30:30AM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
Which, doesn't your abc2ps produce dotted notes ?
Odd thing, though. My (a.b.c.d.) above ought, surely, to produce
staccato notes with a slur over them ? In fact, the first note doesn't
appear to have the dot. And
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