John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey, glad to see you're doing this. I've volunteered in the past, but
the RSCDS didn't respond.
So far I'm doing this for my own enjoyment, with no official RSCDS
sanction. I want to have an »Original Tunes for RSCDS Dances« book
that saves me hauling
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
My feeling is that the active developers shouldn't be held back by a
popular but obsolete program that isn't being maintained. This is a
slippery slope, as the media calls it, and will just invite more
such problems in
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
A2 E2 G2 A2 [[ A B c d e f g a \
A A A A A A A A \
A G F E D C B, A, ] D2 E2 A2 ...
For meter free music one could use _invissible_ bars,
like
Irwin Oppenheim wrote -
Using ! and !..! in one and the same
tune may lead to disaster if you make a small typo. So,
while "!" should definitely be supported, I encourage
you to support "*" as well.
It just seems to make a messy situation more complicated. You are still going to have to handle !
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:32:39 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
For instance with L:1/4, [GD2] A B c would take four beats and [D2G] A B c
would take five.
[snip]
I though from the previous discussion that the length of the chord
was the length of the smallest note (and that's
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:22:43 UTC, John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[snip]
| {[DGB][EAc]}(3:2:4[EGB]2[DFA]/{[EGB]}[EGc]/
|
| for example.
Good example. I wish that chords as grace notes generally worked. No
reason they shouldn't, of course, but how many programs actually
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:42:20 +0100, Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[snip]
You might also want to change your shell to something less
squirmily haveanicedayish than tcsh. chsh is the command to
do the change; bash is pretty reasonable though my fave back
when I was using Unix a lot
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:02:03 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time), I.
Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Abcm2ps does not support it. In abcm2ps [A2g] is
equivalent with [A2g2] .
No, it works, even if a bit ugly!
Please explain to me: would there be any difference
between [A2g] and
(Slightly off-topic but relevant to many subscribers)
Some of you may be interested that there is currently a proposal
running for a new Usenet newsgroup in the uk.* hierarchy for
general discussion about all aspects of notation and software. The
intention is most definitely not to reproduce any
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 05:58:42AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Irwin Oppenheim wrote -
Using ! and !..! in one and the same
tune may lead to disaster if you make a small typo. So,
while ! should definitely be supported, I encourage
you to support * as well.
It just seems to make a
Hello,
as you know, Irwin Oppenheim and I are trying to put together a proposal
for ABC 2 standard. I have a simple question: has anybody actually seen
the u: (lowercase u) field in ABC files? We are considering whether
leaving it out.
Suggestions are highly appreciated.
Later,
Guido =8-)
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, Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Hello,
as you know, Irwin Oppenheim and I are trying to put together a proposal
for ABC 2 standard. I have a simple question: has anybody actually seen
the u: (lowercase u) field in ABC files? We are considering whether
leaving
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
Hello,
as you know, Irwin Oppenheim and I are trying to put together a proposal
for ABC 2 standard. I have a simple question: has anybody actually seen
the u: (lowercase u) field in ABC files? We are considering whether
leaving it out.
Jef Moine wrote -
I though from the previous discussion that the length of the chord
was the length of the smallest note (and that's what abcm2ps does).
Then, if you want a bigger length, you may add invisible rests.
In a previous discussion, some people wanted the first note to
give the length
I. Oppenheim writes:
| On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
|
|PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin
|export PATH
|
| No Jack, that's bourne shell syntax!!!
| A day ago I gave the correct solution for tcsh in a
| separate posting.
...
| At the moment, bash is the de facto
Anselm Lingnau writes:
| John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| Hey, glad to see you're doing this. I've volunteered in the past, but
| the RSCDS didn't respond.
|
| So far I'm doing this for my own enjoyment, with no official RSCDS
| sanction. I want to have an »Original Tunes for RSCDS
Bernard Hill writes:
|
| Invisible barlines? Are you suggesting [|] as a non-printing barline?
This is implemented by a number of abc programs already. There's also
a lot of use of x as a non-printing rest, and y as a non-printing,
non-playing (i.e., just spacing) pseudo-rest. The latter is a
Some of you may be interested that there is currently a proposal
running for a new Usenet newsgroup in the uk.* hierarchy for
general discussion about all aspects of notation and software.
I think it's a good idea, provided that the newsgroup
will be moderated (in the sense that all spam will
Jean-Francois Moine writes:
|
| Please explain to me: would there be any difference
| between [A2g] and [gA2] ?
|
| In a previous discussion, some people wanted the first note to
| give the length of the chord. But later, it seems that everybody
| agreed using the length of the smallest note.
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Guido
Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
as you know, Irwin Oppenheim and I are trying to put together a proposal
for ABC 2 standard. I have a simple question: has anybody actually seen
the u: (lowercase u) field in ABC files? We are considering whether
leaving it
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
If I have a tune with decorations, and want to add a
staffbreak somewhere, I'm just not going to delete
the decorations.
Of course you won't delete the decorations!
All I am proposing is that you should be able to use
!...! for decorations and *
Guido Gonzato asks:
| as you know, Irwin Oppenheim and I are trying to put together a proposal
| for ABC 2 standard. I have a simple question: has anybody actually seen
| the u: (lowercase u) field in ABC files? We are considering whether
| leaving it out.
It turns out I can ask my Tune Finder
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
Hello,
as you know, Irwin Oppenheim and I are trying to put together a proposal
for ABC 2 standard. I have a simple question: has anybody actually seen
the u: (lowercase u) field in ABC files? We are considering whether
leaving it out.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 01:29:11PM +, John Chambers wrote:
This is much of why unix users haven't generally switched
over to full-time GUI use. Pretty pictures are fun and
flashy, but if you actually want to accomplish something
without constantly gritting your teeth about the
Guido Gonzato wrote:
as you know, Irwin Oppenheim and I are trying to put together a proposal
for ABC 2 standard. I have a simple question: has anybody actually seen
the u: (lowercase u) field in ABC files? We are considering whether
leaving it out.
Suggestions are highly appreciated.
The u:
Wil Macaulay wrote:
I agree with Bryan's conclusions (and that's what I did for Skink).
Me too. I _think_ that's what BarFly does (although since it's not
a feature I make use of I'd really have to go and check).
Phil Taylor
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So the bottom line is: it would be nice if both !
and * could be used to notate a staffbreak. The
people who do not use !...! won't be bothered by it,
and the people who use decorations will have an easier
time.
We're into the territory of defining new stuff here. As I said before, I
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
I don't think anyone has implemented w: in a program,
and as far as I'm concerned it can go.
I think you meant u:, not w:...
Irwin
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 07:15:34PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
So the bottom line is: it would be nice if both !
and * could be used to notate a staffbreak. The
people who do not use !...! won't be bothered by it,
and the people who use decorations will have an easier
time.
Wil Macaulay wrote -
Another historic moment! Phil and Bryan and I all agree on something! Put it in the
standard, quick, before we lose it!
Oh happy day!
Over to you Jef?
Bryan Creer
Irwin Oppenheim wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
I don't think anyone has implemented w: in a program,
and as far as I'm concerned it can go.
I think you meant u:, not w:...
Sorry, yes.
Phil Taylor
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I have quite a few danish tunes fron at least 1999
disabling abc-'linebreaks' this way and end with a double **
What's the use of **
X:2
T:Tellings hopsa
S:Hans Ole
R:Hopsa
O:Denmark
M:2/4
L:1/8
K:D
D | B2 c/B/^A/B/ | G2D2 | B2 c/B/^A/B/ |ed cB |\
A2B/A/^G/A/ | F2D2 | A2B/A/^G/A/| fe dc |\
Arent Storm writes:
I have quite a few danish tunes fron at least 1999
disabling abc-'linebreaks' this way and end with a double **
What's the use of **
Left over from abc2mtex: it was for the last bar of the tune, to
end it with a right-justified double bar without starting a new
The current draft standard for multiple voices states:
V: fields can contain voice specifiers such as name, clef, and so on. For
example,
V:T1 name=Tenor I clef=treble-8
indicates that voice `T1' will be drawn on a staff labelled Tenor I, using the
treble clef with a small `8' underneath.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 08:34:03PM +0200, Arent Storm wrote:
I have quite a few danish tunes fron at least 1999
disabling abc-'linebreaks' this way and end with a double **
Wahey ! They go back further than that. 1994, I think :)
Nothing goes away, even when you update it ...
T:Tellings
I'd like to catch the use the the Y: field for future extensions like
Y:someinfofield=some info field value
This way we've maintained compitiblity with existing abc files
while having the possibilty of future expansion.
Arent
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Arent Storm wrote:
1) where does T1 come from
T1 in V:T1 is just an identifier that will make the ABC
source code more readable.
As you know the name of the voice and other options
need to be spelled out only once, so having readable
identifiers throughout a big piece of
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Arent Storm wrote:
I'd like to catch the use the the Y: field for future extensions like
Y:someinfofield=some info field value
This way we've maintained compitiblity with existing abc files
while having the possibilty of future expansion.
Standard says already:
Many of
Phil Taylor wrote:
Changing abcm2ps to use *...* instead of !...! (it accepts ! for a linebreak
already) would be a matter of minutes work for Jef. Changing ABC2Win is
not possible. Changing all of the existing files which use !...! to use
*...* is just a matter of search and replace; there are
What seems to have happened is that I and a few others pointed out
that we don't really have a serious problem with the two uses of !
right now, because a simple heuristic can tell which meaning was used
in a tune. But some people misinterpreted this to mean that both
could be
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From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ABCusers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] informationfield extension
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Arent Storm wrote:
I'd like to catch the use the the Y: field for future extensions
From: Bert Van Vreckem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] Re: About the choice of '!'
Phil Taylor wrote:
Changing abcm2ps to use *...* instead of !...! (it accepts ! for a linebreak
already) would be a matter of minutes work
From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ABCusers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] voice properties
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Arent Storm wrote:
1) where does T1 come from
T1 in V:T1 is just an identifier that will make the ABC
source code more
I'd like to catch the use the the Y: field for future extensions
like Y:someinfofield=some info field value
This way we've maintained compitiblity with existing abc files
while having the possibilty of future expansion.
Perhaps Phil (as the person whose program has the strangest parser)
is
From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ABC Users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:58 AM
Subject: [abcusers] expandable information field
I'd like to catch the use the the Y: field for future extensions
like Y:someinfofield=some info field value
This way we've maintained
Jack Campin writes:
|
| (I'm going to be away for a week, OS 1:5 sheet 48 302241,
| a mile off the nearest road with no modem).
Hey, no need to rub it in! We're all choked with envy.
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