Atte, when you say 'it's the same in other applications do you mean
that other java applications also will not allow you to enter the | key?
Is there a key on your keyboard that has the | key on it, or do you
normally have to use a composition key sequence?
wil
Atte André Jensen wrote:
Hi
I
Yes, I do have a suggestion: if you really want to implement a 'generic
parser', start by choosing a standard to implement. If you want to
suggest changes to the standard, do so as an independent process.
Otherwise you'll end up with a parser that only parses non-standard abc...
having said
suddenly makes this much more
complicated. You suddenly go from one distribution to n of them :(
Guy
Wil Macaulay wrote:
Yes, I know I _can_ access them. They are no advantage to me. My
Java objects are lightweight, and
the same jar file can run on any platform without requiring separate
[funny, I saw Eric's reply, but not John's initial post]
Eric is spot-on, the UI assumes the presence of the Swing libraries.
However, most of Skink
(the parser, etc) doesn't care, and the rendering logic only cares
about having a Graphics2D
object. Unfortunately, the development systems for
),
playing (especially repeats) and parsing (especially broken rhythms).
I've also improved support
for pipe music layout (horizontal beams, stems down and gracenots triple
beamed.)
Skink is freeware.
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see if this gets through..
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been lurking for a while, but following this with interest.
A cautionary note here - how _would_ your parser behave on discovering
it was asked to parse
one of these 'illegal' constructs? I've been very busy lately loosening
up Skink's parser based
on discovering that there is a significant
can it run Java? If there is a version of J2SE 1.3 or better, I think we
could get Skink
running on it...
wil
Greg Samways wrote:
Dear All,
Does anybody know of a Pocket PC version of an abc application which will
enable me to store, search, retrieve and playback abc tunes? I am aware of
the
- Substantially improved music rendering
- option for wider staff display
- bugfixes including order of grace notes vs. accidentals, highlighting
on Windows XP etc
- some printing fixes
www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/skink.html
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grumble
then you've got to figure out how to put the cursor in the right place after
you've
done all this, if the user made a mistake
/grumble
wil
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It strikes me that there are three processes to carry out -
Remove comments
Combine lines
Parse abc notation
Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing incompatibilities anyway,
I would propose that you only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between
staves.
In other words, the default is not to join staves, but you can put a line
between if you
want barlines.
wil
Bernard Hill wrote:
I agree with Richard
wil
Richard Robinson wrote:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 11:19:44AM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
Is "K:D exp _b _e ^f" different from "K:D _b _e ^f" ?
Where does this come from, has it been
Do we lose anything if we couple this to M:none? or do we need to be
able to specify
both a meter (M:C comes to mind) and separately the behaviour of
accidentals?
Laura Conrad wrote:
I don't see any discussion of the relationship between accidentals and
barlines. This is important, because in
Strikes me that the %%MIDI directives are the equivalent of an audio
stylesheet...
wil
Laura Conrad wrote:
Wil == Wil Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wil Do we lose anything if we couple this to M:none? or do we
Wil need to be able to specify
Wil both a meter (M:C
hopefully
this
fixes
the
problem
(text only, no html in netscape mailer)
wil
Phil Taylor wrote:
Richard Robinson wrote:
All Wil's messages appear in my mailer as above (though without the
quote marks, you pedants) - very spaced out vertically. At least
2 0x0a newlines, sometimes more,
The largest body of published abc is in the realm of Irish dance music, in
which
the roll is a well-understood term meaning 'decorate here as appropriate
to
your combination of instrument, region and personal aesthetic'.
It will be interesting to see where the next explosion (of content, I
in addition,Chris your suggested solution would be inadvisable because
it would be errror
prone:
//C //C
and
//C//C
look pretty similar, but most parsers use C// as a synonym for C/4
wil
John Walsh wrote:
Chris Meyers writes:
The one thing I'm missing is putting the slashes on the stems
I. Oppenheim wrote:
Dear abcusers,
I hereby publicly release the third draft revision of
the ABC 2.0 standard:
http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/abc/abc2-draft.html
--- Due to popular demand, +...+ is now the preferred
syntax for notating decorations; !...! has been
deprecated, although it is
Please don't think me rude, but I think you've missed a very large
category of users
completely. These are people who record large collections of tunes
(admittedly,
each tune is likely to be a 'simple folk melody' with or without lyrics),
often in the hundreds or thousands of tunes, related by
Funny thing, my 'Cathal McConnell number' and my Walshaw number were
established at
the same time/place - at a session at Sandy Bell's in Edinburgh. Though
Cathal didn't actually
play that night, IIRC, but Jack Campin did.
wil
John Chambers wrote:
Henrik Norbeck writes:
| Jack Campin wrote:
have a Walshaw number of 2. That means Wil Macaulay and
Richard Robinson both have Walshaw numbers no higher than 3, but
perhaps they're lower by some other path.
Anyone else know theirs?
-
Jack Campin: 11 Third Street
Skink does it the way you want. AFAIK, no other program will.
wil
Alasdair McAndrew wrote:
Hi there,
Suppose I have the following:
K:HP
M:2/2
L:1/8
defg
Then there will be a single beam joining all notes, with an extra beam
between the e and the f. But what I would like, rather than this
Bernard Hill wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wil Macaulay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
The problem is, that although "it's just bad abc" is literally true,
there are many cases where
large bodies of tunes (order of a hundred in a single file) are written
i
For notation (display) purposes it may work, but for playback purposes you
need
to at least try to figure out where the user intended to finish the second
ending. I look
for a double barline or start of a next repeat.
wil
Bernard Hill wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Webber
Nice resource! thanks.
wil
I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, John Chambers wrote:
But in general, you can't rely on any such details
when reading music.
That's true; but the point was that when notating music
one should strive do it the correct way.
, so
you need to know where the user thought the second repeat ended. Sometimes
it's impossible to tell for sure, but in this case you can probably safely
assume
the double barline ended the first part.
wil
I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Wil Macaulay wrote:
For notation
The problem is, that although it's just bad abc is literally true,
there are many cases where
large bodies of tunes (order of a hundred in a single file) are written
in this way. It comes down
to why and how the tunes were notated: sometimes you want to use 'bad'
notation
because that's the
Many thanks for the feedback! More stuff to add to my buglist.
wil
I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
Another bug: When I clicked on close after I made some changes,
I got a dialog window asking me if I really wanted to close.
I then hit
I did some work with flex++ and bison to produce a basic lexer/parser for
abc, along with
some c++ classes. I stopped that development once I started using javacc
(a recursive
descent compiler-compiler) for Java, which gave me a lot more useful tools
for the job.
A particular problem that
I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Wil Macaulay wrote:
In other words, if I want tune 57, but tunes 10, 45,
51 are broken, don't make me fix everything previous
just to get tune 57. I found it reasonably
straightforward to implement exception handling in
Skink using
If I'm not mistaken, you can also embed L:, M:, and K: in the tune proper,
and I've seen N: and
I: as well.
wil
Phil Taylor wrote:
I.Oppenheim wrote:
or perhaps better, do not allow a-g and A-G as body fields.
Alas, they are in the standard.
Of
A gentle reminder: Five Line Skink runs on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X, (as
long as you have
Java 1.3 or better) is free (as in beer) and does (optionally) display the
notes as you type.
not (yet) open source, however.
wil
-Original Message-
From: Bert Van Vreckem
To: [EMAIL
Kludge the program. Henrik's collection is probably _the_ best
collection of
commonly played Irish fiddle tunes on the internet (well laid out, good
tunes, good settings,
well organized, accessible) and pieces of his collection have been
scattered far
and wide. Personally, my original goal
um, the C field is intended for Composer - some tunes in fact do have more
than one composer.
wil
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
iabc (abc.sourceforge.net/iabc) allows multiline footers
by allowing the C: field to be extended. That is, subsequent entries in the C: field will cause be centered
Actually, I just built abcm2ps for Mac OSX -
it compiled without any changes. However I no longer have a
development system for OS 9. If anyone is interested I can make
it available
wilJavaScript:parent.DoCommand(send, parent.form_fr.document.mainForm)
-Original Message-
From: Jack
Phil Taylor wrote:
Phil Taylor writes:
| I've put up a first rough beta version of BarFly Carbon, for all the
| folks who've been badgering me for an OS X version. You can download
| it from: http://www.barfly.dial.pipex.com/BarFlyCarbon.hqx
Hmmm ... I'm getting more and more tempted
A new version of 5 Line Skink, the cross-platform abc
editor/viewer/player is available from
http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/skink.html
I've tried to make this one compatible with Melody Assistant's abc
output, but I don't
have a licenced copy, so if anybody would like to try, I'd be most
I just tried opening an Out.ps file with Acrobat Reader 5.0 on the Macintosh and
on Windows with no success. I think the full version of Acrobat (Distiller) can work
with
postscript
files, but Reader cannot.
[If you have Java 1.3 or better on your machine, you can use Skink as an editor/viewer
Does the Zaurus Java support Swing? if so, Skink should run on it... although
I'd probably have to tweak the interface for a small screen.
wil
Tom Keays wrote:
Keith wrote:
I seen, and heard, abc player software for Palm PDAs. Are there any out
there for Pocket PC 2002 systems?
I'm on this
Sad indeed.
wil
-Original Message-
From: James Allwright
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/28/2002 6:52 PM
Subject: [abcusers] Laurie Griffiths : sad news
I have some sad news that I expect many members of this list would
like to know. Laurie Griffiths was a regular contributor to the
Likewise for Skink, on all platforms - I hate software that tries to second-guess me...
wil
John Chambers wrote:
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|
| I've never seen music written without the end of a line ending a bar. But I am
not a music scholar like many people on this page, so maybe its a common
Je ne suis pas Quebecois, mais j'aime jouer cette musique!
Q'avez-vous a echanger?
Sauve Phil wrote:
Is there any french from Quebec on the list ?
Y a t-il des Qubcois sur la liste
Si oui, manifestez-vous afin de constituer un groupe d'change de nos tounes
Phil Sauv
Note that the latest version of BarFly will run quite
nicely in Classic, and that Five Line Skink is OSX native
(as well as any other platform with Java 1.3 or better)
http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/skink.html
wil
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From: Eduardo Gallego
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did a wee bit of poking around and found this
http://members.rogers.com/alf0/index.htm
Alf Warnock has apparently written a basic BIAB-abc translator.
Never tried, so
I don't know if it works...
wil
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any utilities
capable of interconverting between abc and
Skink uses the MIDI support in the Java Media Framework for playback. At the moment
it creates a sequence on the fly and creates MIDI note on/note off events on the
sequence,
then starts the sequencer when the tune is finished. If there are multiple tunes, it
will
do
that for each tune.
Jack,
I'd be happy to let Skink be used for that purpose - it will directly open
a URL (use the Fetch menu selection from the File menu). It is, however,
a reasonably fully-featured text editor, so would it be necessary or
desirable to disable some of that functionality? If you want to play
I was thinking of anything else that might be on the public-access terminal...
wil
Laura Conrad wrote:
Wil == Wil Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wil I'd be happy to let Skink be used for that purpose - it will directly open
Wil a URL (use the Fetch menu selection from the File
Yes, it would be 'better and less misleading' for the abc user community that
understands:
1. 2 sharps
2. they are in the 'standard' place
3. E Dorian means E is the tonic.
Me, personally, just speaking for myself, I can play in (for example) G Dorian
without having to remember which flats
It occurs to me that one of the problems I would like to solve as a user
of a search engine of any kind, the tune finder being just one of them -
is some indication (no matter how slight) of the quality of the result.
If even a small number of content providers consistently use the
Z field to
Hi, thanks for the feedback.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tried this program again, I like the interactive nature of it, but I had some
problems. Maybe I am doing something wrong.
1. The program seems to have a problem with blank lines. Pretty much any tune that
I tried got an unexpected
See
http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/skink.html
Version 1.0a6 July 6 2002
New Features and Bugfixes
- general tuplets (p:q:r syntax supported
- aligned words - w: field supported so lyrics line up with music
- note lengths within grace notes are parsed (although displayed as
normal
I totally concur with you, Laurie. After all, this is clearly one
of the most important test cases for abc player implementations,
and a most embarrassing one to let slip through... (Skink fails,
by the way. I'm red-faced.)
wil
-Original Message-
From: Laurie (ukonline)
To: [EMAIL
No, it looks for
! (~[!,\n,\r])+ !
that is, two bangs with at least one non-bang in between before the end of line.
! at end-of-line should be ignored as before (although there may be issues with
! at end-of-tune, have to check that...
wil
Jack Campin wrote:
Version 1.0a5 June 19 2002
New
?) that are paid for.
wil
Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Wil Macaulay wrote:
Version 1.0a4 of Five Line Skink is available - link from
http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/abc4mac.html
I tried it out, and obviously there are quite a few things missing, but
you're aware
Any interest in having Skink as a 'front end' for a command-line tool? in other
words, use Skink to enter, proof read and proof-listen, and then invoke abcxxps
for final output?
wil
Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Wil Macaulay wrote:
Thanks Atte. Just out of interest, what
Version 1.0a4 of Five Line Skink is available - link from
http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/abc4mac.html
Skink runs on Mac OS X, Linux, Windows, Solaris - any platform with at
least Java 1.2.
Java 1.3 is recommended.
New features:
Substantially improved performance
Substantially improved
Just making sure I don't bounce
wil
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machine with java 1.3 or better.
wil
James Allwright wrote:
On Thu 09 May 2002 at 01:05PM +, John Chambers wrote:
Last January, James Allwright wrote:
| I have written a first draft of a Linux abc HOWTO and am
if your software supports non-printing rests (BarFly, Skink) you can write
| AC4 Amx |
wil
Ulf wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 1. Mai 2002 15:55 schrieb Atte Andre Jensen:
Really? I think abc's biggest shortcomming is the fundamental of only
being able to put a chord where there is a melody-note. I
Phil, I seem to recall that you had an alternate proposal - can you resurrect it? I'm
almost at the point
of implementing this in Skink, so it would be useful to have the proposals
side-by-side.
wil
Phil Taylor wrote:
John Chambers wrote:
Atte wrote:
| On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, John Chambers
One thing about macroes, however, is that you don't _have_ to use them;
you can fully expand the macro in the source if you want to for some reason.
Your proposal doesn't fit that need, because if I _want_ to write
fff (for fortissimo) in the tune, I can't distinguish it from three f notes unless
abc4mac uses the approach of wrapping abc2ps (and abcmidi) in a basic
UI that just allows you to put up a file dialog and then invokes the main
of abc2ps with the file as an argument.
On OS X, you can simply compile and run from the command line.
I'll put the source for abc4mac up where people
It does run on OS X, but not natively (it runs in Classic, which is basically an
emulator
for OS 9). Unfortunately, there is a bug in Classic which causes horrible things to
happen
to QuickTime music, so playback is unusable.
Having said that - 5 Line Skink already runs on Windows, Solaris,
Displays and plays just fine in the latest version of Skink. Any unrecognized K:
defaults
to
none - no sharps or flats.
wil
Jack Campin wrote:
X:154
T:Zaplet Kolo
O:Yugoslavia
M:none
L:1/8
K:none
[K:D] [M:4/4] a2 f2 g2 e2|f2 d2- dgfe|f2 d2- dgfe|fg a2- agfe|[M:2/4] f2 d2:|
[K:G]
Just tried bringing up BarFly 1.0d30 under Classic on Mac OS X 10.1.4,
with QuickTime 5.06,
and discovered that it doesn't seem to play properly - notes sound as if
they have a
long-delay echo on them. Is this a new problem, or known? I seem to
remember it working
properly when I first tried it
bummer. Have you found a Pascal compiler for X yet?
I've had no problems using Java to play MIDI, but I haven't tried QT for Java
- guess I'd better get cracking on releasing the version of Skink that plays tunes...
wil
Phil Taylor wrote:
Just tried bringing up BarFly 1.0d30 under Classic
Hi Doug,
Interesting, I was just thinking about the same thing over the weekend. I've put quite
a
few hours of time over the last four years into 5 Line Skink, and I asked myself
whether
it was worth continuing, given the high quality of other packages out there. I came
to a
slightly
Skink runs on OS X - that's what I use for development. And version 1.0
will be ready Real Soon Now (play tunes, better layout).
Barfly runs on OS X under Classic.
wil
John Chambers wrote:
Henrik Norbeck writes:
| Mike Whitaker wrote:
| | I need this. Exactly as notated. A chord sequence
For those interested, I have placed a version of Five Line Skink
(version 1.0a2)
at
http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/Skink.zip
this is a zipped jar file, and needs to be unzipped and then invoked via
java
java -jar Skink.jar
Note that there is no link to this file on the website, since this
Is there a Java implementation (at least java 1.2, preferably 1.3) on these
machines? if so, I have a preliminary version of Five Line Skink that
will play tunes using the Java Media Framework (MIDI). If you're
interested in getting a pre-release copy, drop me a line.
Right now it just does
Here's my two cents on this:
- on input, parse the file and use it as is
- do not change the file contents without the user asking you to. He
may have a different favourite abc program and may be evaluating
yours, and changing his file behind his back is unfriendly.
If you want
I'm spending a couple of weeks in Ipswich, in Suffolk -
any listmembers nearby want to meet for a pint?
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John, you need to loosen your Goedel...
By the way, Skink handles the alternate bar stuff you posted, but I
have no idea what it should look like. What would you have
expected?
wil
John Chambers wrote:
Laura writes:
| John == John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
|
| John ABC's
The following variation works in Skink - the inline [L:x/x] is not
yet implemented. It's on the list! I've got [M: ] and [K:] so far.
Note that as written, the example does not have a T: line, which
is required by the 1.6 standard, and has leading space for
the M, L and K which are supposed to
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Now all I need to do is find a version of GhostVIew that runs under
OS X...
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But is there a compelling reason why we should not define
"E hejaz" or "E freygish"? (in a similar manner to the definition
proposed for chords)
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Frank Nordberg wrote:
John Chambers wrote:
One minor quibble, which deals with a marginal issue that I'd like to
mention: I think the
of Skink in the
OS X Java environment - it actually works not-half-bad, and looks really
cool in the Aqua interface, though there were some oddities around the
file
dialogs.
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a
piece of musical notation should be constructed so that any musician
can play the tune correctly, regardless of whether he is familiar
with that genre or not.
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about two years ago and incorporated in the next version of BarFly
(which also allows and to place the annotation to the left or right
of the note head when you want to annotate a particular note in a chord).
Most programs have followed suit.
This is still a bodge of the guitar
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and human-writeable. Now if we could only embed a GIF into the abc,
life would be perfect (just mark up the paper and scan it in...!)
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job would be handled by
the developer's own code. The trouble is, we'd spend forever arguing
about the details of the intermediate format...
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