Thanks to everyone who give some good advices for
displaying multible voices on one staff. The command
%%staves 1 (2 3) worked well with abcm2ps.
I thought I could be good to propose new features in
the abc format, for example, in the brackets for the
chords [], we could have symbolised
A lot of people can't print PostScript, JPEG looks foul for
music,
and PDF is a bloated waste of space, so what else is there?
You no longer need a postscript printer to print postcript !!
That's why ghostscript ghostview were designed.
I don't really know if a postscript laser printer is
Some good free spider software :
Webcopier :
http://www.maximumsoft.com/
httrack :
http://www.httrack.com/
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To Gianni Cunich :
I think you're splitting hairs in your long offensive reply. I
personnaly don't care if you don't like the abc format for some or
other reason. I think it's a
About Abcmus, is there a new release planed ?
Yes. I've started working hard again (since about 6 weeks) on a
new version 2.0. I plan to have it ready latest by the end of
September. This version will include printing of sheet music.
Great ! About sheet music, I think I'll stay faithfull to
How can somebody on one of these systems use an emailed ABC file
if
they aren't familiar enough with the notation to read the source?
Didn't they tried the application abc2internetcafe.exe ? :)
More seriously there is a java application that can display abc :
Hello,
I've found this :
http://www.g8ina.enta.net/joyce.zip
at :
http://www.g8ina.enta.net/irish.htm
The P.W.Joyce ABC Set The Joyce Set Site closed, thanks to Allen
Garvin for permission
(I've only found 370 tunes)
| Don't know, but it's a great loss.
| The site contained ABCs of all the
I remember fantasising, a couple of years ago, about a usenet-style
network of intercommunicating, self-updating abc tune-servers.
To avoid the necessity of having a grand guru or an Abc office
center authorizing personnal identification number, I propose we
could think of a logical code
Hello,
this is a great work you've done Frank !
But this is the second time I'm doing some book transcriptions and
there is someone doing the same on his side. There was first Steve
Mansfield and Arbeau's Orchesographie
(http://www.lesession.demon.co.uk/Orchesography.abc, compare with
Yes, I think it's quite boring to read all those endless quarrels
about the standardization of a musical format I found already
rather perfect : if it becomes too complicated, then there is not
point using it instead of midi : I like ABC because it's easy and
compact, and use a real midi
This tune is really great !! It's one of my favorite in the celtic
area.
We play it with my folk band.
You can find a cover of it by the famous breton band Tri Yann.
They called it Kerfank 1870. I can't swear it, but I think the
rythm is an An Dro.
The lyrics they use is
Général, ma Général
Can you translate the Breton words in the song?
I can't, unfortunatly. I don't know Breton. You could ask JF
Moine, I think he can breton, but I'm not sure.
I knew nothing at all about. (The French state has been using
its
colonial and minority peoples as cannon fodder in the same way
ever
BTW, one way I'm using floppies is to send abc files and programs
to a Windows 3.11 user who teaches music in the country (i.e.
he's
not rich), and has no Internet connection. If anyone has recent
experience with abc programs to use and print from abc on that
platform, I'd appreciate an email
I propose to compare the chords example given by Luis Pablo
Gasparotto with a software which has a chord dictionnary (power
tab editor)
I'm convinced that a good point to start a CHORD STANDARIZATION
is to
see what are the concepts which everybody agree. I think this
concepts are:
(I totally
Hello,
concerning repeats, will it be possible into the new abc standard
to have more than two repeats in a song ? And how about repeats
like |: blabla '-1.3 blabla :| '-2 blabla :| '- 4 etc... || ?
I propose to have something like
X:1
T:Valse à Manu
R:Valse
C:Manuel Murcia
H:
N:
I found the jcabc2ps sources in the repertory :
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/src/jcabc2ps/
I didn't managed to find any .gzipped file in it. Maybe in
/src/jcabc2ps/ at an other adress (I remember for some years ago
there was an other one) ?
So I used an offline browser to get all the
There are some problems involved in the current definition. How
do you for instance handle combinations of |: :| repeats and P:
specifications such as the following:
T:P test
M:6/8
P:AABB
K:G
P:A
GAB GAB | FGA FGA |
P:B
dBG dBG :| AFD FAc ||
Should this be played as follows?
GAB GAB | FGA
Is there any tool to convert abc document into an image? I was
using
abcm2ps, but when music is too big, it generates two images.
Hi,
I've seen your website. 2 remarks :
1/ About converting abc to eps files, or other image format, you
should use pdf instead because most users have access to a
Which version of Acrobat? They keep changing the file format
you don't need acrobat to generate pdf files. (see other replies)
On my setup (old Macs) I can generate PostScript from some
applications
for free (I think, haven't tried lately) but creating Acrobat
files
needs a utility that costs
As a result, my count of known ABC sites is now 239, an increase
of
45 from a month ago. My tune index now contains 115097
tunes,
this is a great tool you have programmed !
Is it possible to have a top ten list ? :)
More seriously, have you a report of those website (with the
number of
Thanks to all who helped me, especially, Richard, Buddha Buck and
John.
With little modifications, it works well.
I'll try to learn in the future more of those basic commands by
myself.
Richard said :
I have various stuff in perl to do these kinds of things -
abc-cat,
abc-grep, abc-sort, etc
Is there a midi support with abctab2ps ? (It doesn't seem so)
Or is it possible nevertheless to hear files in the abctab2ps
format ? (Before playing a tune, I need to *hear* it, especially
when it concern lute tablatures.)
Wayne Cripps Tab can generate Midi files. Is there a way to
convert an
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About James Allwright's Linux abc HOWTO :
All aspect for beginning with abc and linux seems to be here. But
I use Mandrake 8.x, and all was allready configured for me :
timidity, gv and ghostscript so I had no problem. With the use of
a window manager such as KDE, you just have to clic to get all
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Is there some abc software for percussion notation?
it won't work for notation purposes, but this feature is suppose
to make some rythms :
%%MIDI drum string [drum programs] [drum velocities]
I didn't managed to make it works correctly, the reference is
rather unclear about that. Will this
| brackets for slurs when it's possible. If not (if it may
confuse)
| I'll use - instead.
In any case, most musicians don't consider them to be
different.
This one does. :-) Some folk musicians may not consider them to
be
different, but I'd argue that most classical musicians do.
Oh,
I've just been transcribing some tunes from
Ryan's/Coles for John Chambers' project. These include fingering
for the
fiddle on some notes. I had to use guitar chords to stick this
in, and, to
be charitable, it looks awful. The numbers are too far from the
notes,
and often conflict with other
It is just simply
incorrect to not make the normal distinction between ties and
slurs in any
form of musical notation (which does include ABC), and, worst of
all,
ultimately confusing to users if improper usage is allowed. Ties
and slurs
are not the same thing, nor are they intended to be,
I stated on my homepage (in french) the pros and cons (in my
opinion) for abc :
- Only one whole file for a collection of tunes (unlike midi...)
- quick to download (due to compactness (see above) and size) (but
you know all that)
- quite easy to transcribe (if one can a bit music) and really
I have downloaded various things and used abc2Win and whatever
behind the scenes tool that
runs on one of the sites to create printable sheet music. The
minor complaint that I have
is that the measures seem to be awefully cramped together.
try using a program supporting postscript, like abc2ps
Could it be possible to have a mix of the multivoice and parts
features ?
I enjoy the possibility in musical programs like trackers to made
on one side all the musical part, and in an other how they play
together : I would be usefull in abc for complex musical parts
X:1
T:multivoice and
Any interest in having Skink as a 'front end' for a command-line
tool? in other
words, use Skink to enter, proof read and proof-listen, and then
invoke abcxxps
for final output?
yes, why not ? It's a good idea. Even if I can use runabc.tcl for
this the ability for Skink as proof read and listen
pages because the file sizes are much larger and the download
times
that much longer, and because the results on-screen are
unpredictable.
I don't really agree, even if you're right in some extends :
A gif file (I mean a partition) that looks cool on a browser with
16 colours is ci. 9 ko. The
The convention for writing broken rhythms like A3/ A/ is AA
Is it possible to find a way of writing more friendly this sort of
notation : (3A-AA ? I don't know if it's common in music but I've
several medieval / trad. tunes which are written or played such.
For abc2midi there is the notation
Here's your example with general tuplets
thank you very much Frank !
I didn't know this feature because it's not in the abc-draft 1.7.6
but in the standard-propose.txt so I missed it.
It's not really quicker to write than my notation with slurs
(sorry, ties... ;) ) but it had the advantage to
I've begun to make a true type font for renaissance music, and I
hope to adapt it soon for Abcm2ps, or other applications.
It can be useful to recreate historical manuscripts, like the
Playford one and those of the Village Music Project.
The problem is that I can't extract fonts used by abcm2ps
Iabc doesn't understand the K:Am
That's completely unacceptable; the program should never have
been
released in that state.
It's not very kind for the author. I think it have to : it's good
to see a new application. And as far as I'm concerned, I've never
used modes in the K: fields but only
Great work, Eric. Any chance of a Mac version? I used to have a
program
for porting TrueType fonts between MAc and Windows, but it seems
I've
mislaid it.
as far as this font is finished, it will be available for everyone
interessed. Pfaedit allow to export to postscript binary for mac
so it's
| ... It was already too late to change when I first mentioned
it.
Since it's not possible to add a new field dedicated to mode, I
thought it was possible to write 2 K: fields in a tune, if
necessary : the first one for the signature, and the second one to
*precise* the mode used, so clever
And incidentally, was Muse one of the programs that you tried?
Yes, the first programs I tried when I first heard of abc (when I
discovered internet as well) were Muse and Abc2win.
To be honest, I was first reluctant to Muse because of the drawing
of the notes. But I tried it anyway and find
| Lewes, East Sussex, England. Take a look at=20
| http://whatson.brighton.co.uk/folk/. ...
The URL worked, but there were no clues there about which planet
it
might be on.
try to do a WHOIS on it, a DNSLOOKUP, a TRACEROUTE, or even a
FINDPLANET and you'll probably find it.
Finally a
Furthermore a snippet that is
copying may alter the context for following notes (for instance
it may
include a K:) so that makes about 8 variants
that's why I prefer using plain text abc instead of graphical
notes, so this is only the bare text I copy : in fact for
transcribing I don't need
Concerning John Chamber tune finder (I find it very useful and use
it to find new tune, but I download always the full version of the
abc file on the original site, so if I'm a bit fool, it's
obviously for other reasons)
Jack Campin said :
assuming you haven't been fool enough to fish
a single
I've been warned of an Arbeau's Orchesography with the FULL TEXT
in middle french, and abc, available on line at :
http://graner.net/nicolas/arbeau/
I thought first the author made an other abc transcription (there
is already one by Steve Mansfield, by me and several tunes were
transcribed by
Well, I suppose DNA is coding.
yes, and there is enven a Dna2Abc on sourceforge !
http://dna2abc.sourceforge.net/ (and it doesn't seems to be a joke
for Chris Walshaw's Abc international)
I want to build an application that depicts classical
dance via language scripts and a musical score
It's maybe possible for your tune finder to use this code to
archive the tune (I don't know exactly how the tune finder works)
and if there is no replicant of the tune (i.e. if the original
website where the tune has its origin is down) to use it
nevertheless, so the code would mean only it's
That depends. Do you just want the information to be
present
somewhere in the headers? Or would you like software to be
able to
use the information sensibly?
both if possible. I want pple to be able to find again this tune
if they had only the tune somewhere else, or to come back
In abcmus2 beta 1
In the change default length tool, I had a ^f^g a (in
K:Am), and the tool gave ^f2_a2 a2 . I expected ^f2^g2 a2
instead, without shifting notes... (it occurs when the whole tune
is processed)
Worse, this same tool doesn't seem to care about the rests when it
changes
I don't know if JF Moine often read this list (from times to times
he posts here) so I take the right to answer this question (and
because I regulary download the latest Abcm2ps release) :
First, abcm2ps is now at version 3.0.20 (at least) !! Is this
2.11.3 version from the sourceforce.net ?
Abacus is an abc editor/player/printer programme -
Windows only I'm afraid.
Nice program ! I like when there are new abc applications, so I
can complete my collection :)
The print quality is adequate without being outstanding.
The display is good.
I'll give you my first impressions, if
Eric it still has problem with the sound,
Have you tried the latest version (that just came out last week)?
I
still have problems playing in Linux, but I didn't hit any
problems on
Windows in the small amount of testing I did there.
Of course I did :) I'll always check new version of any
- I didn't managed to print scores with my HP DeskJet 520
Printer.
It works OK on my Epson Stylus 440.
I'll try it on other printers to check this...
I can't see the point of taking up
valuable
space on the screen for something you aren't using all the time.
But for browsing several tunes
Bryan Creer :
I've gone for highest note prevails in the counting of the times
so you
can do things like -
X:1
T:The Cotillion
C:Trad (Bosham Band)
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:G
[G4D4][d4B,4]|[B2D4]AB [G2B,4]AB|[c2E4]B2[A2D4]G2|[FD4]GAF
[D3A,3]D|
I've seen that Skink happily supports this notation too.
With the current syntax, a { can't be
followed by a digit. So the suggestion is to allow a digit after
{ as
a note size.
Wonderfull idea !
Maybe I ask too much, but is it intended to have the possibility
to have those small notes in parenthesis also ? We can find this
notation in some
I've reported in the past a print problem for abacus (it prints
only parts of the score (- the key, time signature, the notes but
not the tails, the bar lines but not the staves). I've tried to
print something else on an other computer with an other printer
(Canon BJC-210, the first time it was
: is about. Look at the Subject line. The topic is abc bracketed
chord
: notation. The melody note in a chord is the one that a
monphonic
: player plays. There's nothing deeper than that.
I started only with this topic because I saw there was some
applications which begun to use a
Well, strange enough I didn't get any warning this time when I
compiled (using mingw), I may have done something wrong the last
time (maybe by adding and removing some flags for cygwin, then
there was wrong flags when I compiled with mingw).
The new binary, with the 20020929 sources, are now at
I'm transcribing some Persian (Iranian) musics, and I'm currently
working on some additional fonts for abcm2ps for the quarter tones
(called koron for quarter-tone flat and sori for quarter-tone
sharp). Is there a way to make some abc application play
quarter-tones (and/or other subdivision of
I've studied a bit the code of abc2midi and found it was probably
difficult to make some change in it (for the value pitch) so
that new quarter notes can be added between the normal notes :
the array pitch is set for integer values (and many times in the
code, not easy to change this to float),
About his quartertone notation, I managed to use some postscript
fonts for using in Abcm2ps. I've made also an equivalence for
western music, like the one found in some bretonian songs (I found
it in a CD)
I've upload a pdf with the result if some may be interested :
nice tune !
isn't this part a bit strange ?
BcBc z4 |B2 c2 d2 e2|
except the problem about the blank lines you should avoid (the
issue has already been debated so I won't comment more), you could
if possible give all the clues you have about the tune in the
diverse fields (ex : H: B: C: etc.).
instead of adding the midi command for each tune, you may find it
easier to recompile the sources
you just have to change this :
in the file store.c
ratio_a = 2;
ratio_b = 6;
(6 instead of 4, which made the Hornpipe rythm)
I can also provide my recompiled version if you prefer not to
abc2ps (and abcm2ps) assumes you have knowledge of how to compile
C on
your computer
oh, you should probably use Abcm2ps, it's newer and better than
the old abc2ps.
Binaries and helps can be found on Guido Gonzato's website. I
don't have the url here you can find it with www.google.com and
If you have access to a linux system, you can always create the
new symbols using the application PfaEdit
http://pfaedit.sourceforge.net/
It works fine. Then, with the %%deco option in abcm2ps, you can
add new symbols.
I'm currently working on such stuffs, it's not that easy but it works.
So you've got your abcm2ps Windows executable - but I suspect
that what
you do *next* is also causing you some doubt.
whoo, it's a very complete and well detailled step by step process
you've written Steve !
I remember your good tutorial for the abc notation (I probably
used it when I begin
Frank, I'm so sorry you can't maintain Musicaviva any longer...
It was a good place on the web.
Is there a hope it will come back again ?
Is it a money problem (cost of servers...) ? If so it's a real
pity then. Can't you move to a free account ?
I've seen also you speak about a job problem.
I've tried the midi export, it works good, but if I want to hear
midi directly from iabc, it seems to work only with the windows
media players (I have 2 sound cards and the first one, with no
output right now, is the default one use by media player, but
that's not the pb) : I tried to set other
ouch, it's very shocking to learn...
I didn't know him personnaly, but I knew him by just a few emails
and on this list...
It's such a pity
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Does anybody know how (if possible) to put octave notation, e.g.
8va basso - - - - - -
into abc so that abcm2ps can render it? I tried making it
lyrics, and
Yes I know : write something like that :
K:C treble-8
maybe for you it will be instead bass-8
for octave up it would be +8
Welcome to the promised land!
I'm afraid you'll have to get used to the Unix/Linux way of
getting
some
things done
lol, welcome to the promised land where all is harder to work :)
btw among all the programs you mentionned I use them both on
window$ and linux ;)
http://atte.dyndns.dk/lovsang/input.php
Feel free to try it out and share any thoughts (please say which
browser and platform).
(sorry, it's only in danish for now, vis means show, slet
alt
means clear everything):
Well, gratulieren da !
It looks very good ! Is it a result from Abcm2ps ? oh
I'm not sure my hosting service would allow to run
applications...
Hmmm, that would be a problem...
yes, I tried yesterday, they don't allow this, I uploaded a
version of abcm2ps I compiled on linux, but they don't even allow
to change the CHMOD on it so it's not possible to run it. And many
of
oups, it seems I forget to post this one after typing it...
If you're using ghostscript...
you put in /fonts/ your new fonts
(ex : Hansagotisch.pfb, maybe there are also other definitions, I
can't remember, such as Hansagotisch.afm, Hansagotisch.inf
Hansagotisch.pfm but they're probably not all
in Abc notation, for playing 5 notes in the time of 4 we can use
quintuplet. Now, let think I want the opposite, playing 4 notes in
the time of 5. How can I do that ? I used for ex :
F,5/4F5/4C5/4F5/4 instead of F,FCF . It seems correct this way,
but some applications seems to complain (abcm2ps
thank you very much, I had forgotten this notation's existance.
Now all just work fine. I'll add this in my abc tutorial (in
french)
Writing F5/4 will cause problems for most display programs, since
the time value 5/4 can't be displayed as a single note in staff
notation. Player programs will
Hello, it's still a work in progress, but you can look at :
http://anamnese.online.fr/abc/renaissance_fonts.html
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I've already converted them to postscript, thanks PfaEdit.
I tried to replace the fonts used in the source code of Abcm2ps,
for getting 2 different binaries. As explained on my site, the
exported fonts (by PfaEdit) where different in the definition from
the postscript code used in Abcm2ps
JF
yes, this manual is nice. I've d/l the italian manual when it was
released and couldn't understand all in it, but I got the
impression at least it was well done and well detailed. The
english version confirm that, even if I haven't studied all in
depth (since I already know how to use most of
I've tried the new feature of Abcm2ps, for including eps files.
The eps provided in the source is very clean, so there is no pb
with it.
I created one with a vectorial application, but when I imported it
it didn't work :
the first time there was a buffer overflow (I recompiled it with a
more
Hello
These look great. If you publish the postscript code I will
include the fonts (the noteheads and clefs, anyway) in iabc.
as said on the website, the postscript fonts are published :
http://anamnese.online.fr/abc/renaiss_music_font.zip
Thank you, I don't think I'll use this one for this kind of work,
but I may need to study how this kind of script works for a
similar purpose, so it'll be very usefull.
If anyone can use these scripts for anything I am happy to share
them
wit=
h=20
you.
Can someone please tell me how to convert a .ps to a .gif?
I have GS on mswindows and I don't use linux much. I think it's
the same there, you can use one of the tool they provide to
convert .ps to .png. Then use a graphic editor to convert the png
to gif, but btw png should be enough and
Nevertheless, everyone's ideas are welcome
last time I was using abc for creating some midi file with several
voices with the same notes (to get a bigger sound)
When I used abcm2ps for viewing the note, I realized there isn't
in the standard, nor in abcm2ps (it seems) an option to avoit
printing
I've read with great attention and interest the last thread about
microtone. Although I'm not an expert in this field, I'm
interested in writing notation for persian music, and playing it
as well.
I regret I haven't worked much on this project (including
transcribing music) recently, but I had a
responsibility over the standard. Personally, I would
propose Jef Moine and Guido Gonzato: Jef because he's
I think it's a good idea, if they agree of course ;)
I think also of John Chamber.
Just one comment: having a software developer in charge of
standards is
a conflict of interests. S/he
At least partly because the prospect of setting it up, installing
ghostscript to view graphics. etc. it just too daunting for them.
What these users (probably the majority of PC users) want is
something
that is easy to use and works on thier system
it's true I often recommended Abc to several
Is it possible to instruct (or modify) abcm2ps to
create pure black and white PS output (without gray
values) and to draw the staff lines as thin as
possible? This way the output would look much clearer
on the web.
as far as I know, abcm2ps creates pure bw output, but probably
your default
It isn't being actively supported any more, though. We discussed
its bug with broken-rhythms constructs what, two years ago?
getting
the nearest I've ever seen us get to total consensus, and even
though
fixing it was a matter of altering one numeric constant in the
source,
it hasn't been done.
This is the wrong way to look at it. abc2win is barely being
maintained, but tunes created with its aid are the largest single
corpus on the web. It's the tunes you need to care about, not
the software.
ok, I guess that *almost* all of those tunes are from folk
tradition. Do you honestly think
hehe, I didn't say that, only quoted it...
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, [iso-8859-1] Forgeot Eric wrote:
It isn't being actively supported any more, though.
It has now a new maintainer, Seymour Shlien.
We discussed its bug with broken-rhythms constructs
what, two years ago
When printing music I would expect the music to look like
===
with only the last line maybe not being right-justified.
Me too !
Does non-right justify mean the score could be
this is what the archive abcm2ps-3.6.4.zip contains:
165376 07-08-03 13:10 abcm2ps-3.6.4/abcm2ps.exe
I guess he d/l the archive from JF Moine's website, and not your,
otherwise he would have got this binary ;)
Otherwise for more help with abcm2ps (automatic laucher), this
page may be
Is there a way to do this with any of the ABC programs? I
currently use
ABC2Win, and can't figure out a way to do it. I hate the idea of
printing
each individually.
I thought it was possible to print several pages with abc2win...
otherwise as someone said, abc#2ps can do this. If it's only
masochistic altruist who will go back and remove all the
line-break !s
from all the tune files created with abc2win over the last eight
years or so which
might annoy
I guess it's quite easy, sitting confortable behind my computer
without knowing how to program, to find a solution for a
I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing
tunes
- I use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce
top
quality printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the
abc2ps's ??
I think jcabc2ps was not targeted in the list of the bad
applications, of
I don't know if whatI'm about to suggest has been suggested
before,/.../
it's fairly clear to me that the real key to
writing any new specification is adding some identifier that says
that the tune
conforms to the new specification. For example, maybe something
like:
%%ABC3.0
...anywhere in
convert my tunes to make them display when each V: label occurs
only once (on big score it's less readable, but not on smaller
BarFly has a built-in command to do that - Format Tune under
the Utilities menu will rearrange the abc into the format
that the program likes (or the other way, if you
There are good improvements in this new version, and it seems also
it crash less, unlike the previous version. The midi rendering is
good also. I think you already know for lyrics and multivoice :)
(it lacks cruelly) but will there be a midi export as well ?
A few suggestions :
You made a full
I don't like %%midi transpose, because
transposition is nothing to do with midi,
I forget to talk about that, an advantage of BarFly is, if I
understood well, it can transpose either the notation, or the
sound, or both. The %%midi transpose is limited because it make
transpose both (of course it
it seems I forgot to send this post... I apologize to post it
again if I already did so
Any programmers here that feel the call to create a nice little
conversion program/script for the benefit of the world at large?
/.../
Note that with such a program, there is no need to cleanup old
ABC
files
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