Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-25 Thread Justina Colmena ~biz
On May 15, 2020 9:46:16 AM AKDT, Theo de Raadt wrote: >It is amazing how you keep digging up additional mandates for the >OpenBSD project! > >Brilliant work. > >I'm wondering if you have an view on our UFO research? > > There's Area 51, of course, from the same _area_ as SCO and the

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-17 Thread Ilya Mitrukov
I have hosted a meetup on OpenBSD a month ago - just a general introduction into the system, plus pledge / unveil, plus dynamic kernel relinking, etc, etc. About thirty people has attended. And you know, the audience welcomes that type of simple stuff and asks for continuation. I know there are

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-16 Thread Austin Hook
On Sat, 16 May 2020, Justina Colmena ~biz wrote: > On May 14, 2020 7:23:11 PM AKDT, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >That's incredibly insightful! > > > >You are precisely the true leader OpenBSD needs to compete in the > >harsh corporate environment that gives us no respect! > That might be going a bit

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-16 Thread Justina Colmena ~biz
On May 14, 2020 7:23:11 PM AKDT, Theo de Raadt wrote: >That's incredibly insightful! > >You are precisely the true leader OpenBSD needs to compete in the >harsh corporate environment that gives us no respect! That might be going a bit far. You talk about *crying* on a public mailing list, and

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-15 Thread Justina Colmena ~biz
On May 15, 2020 3:04:06 AM AKDT, jeanfrancois wrote: >Justine, > >No one except a few people probably make OpenBSD so you won't >find what you expect here, except what you put in if we can say so. There is too much "help" out there, and no enterprise to speak of. The risk of criminal

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
It is amazing how you keep digging up additional mandates for the OpenBSD project! Brilliant work. I'm wondering if you have an view on our UFO research? Justina Colmena ~biz wrote: > > > > On May 15, 2020 3:04:06 AM AKDT, jeanfrancois wrote: > >Justine, > > > >No one except a few people

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
Austin Hook wrote: > However, preserving personal freedom and safety from crooks and corruption > is an important, if endless task.One person can't do much, but of > course, it's all those one person commitments that gave us what we have > now. Find what you can do best, do it, and share

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-15 Thread Austin Hook
On Fri, 15 May 2020, Justina Colmena ~biz wrote: > On May 15, 2020 3:04:06 AM AKDT, jeanfrancois wrote: > >Justine, > > > >No one except a few people probably make OpenBSD so you won't > >find what you expect here, except what you put in if we can say so. > There is too much "help" out there,

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-15 Thread jeanfrancois
Justine, No one except a few people probably make OpenBSD so you won't find what you expect here, except what you put in if we can say so. So it depends upon if you find it worthwhile to investigate. I deeply think OpenBSD needs to remain small that's all, but it's free you can use it if you

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-15 Thread jeanfrancois
Hi, This means do things and make advocacy I'd guess, to be honest BSD's about 0,1% usage though a real backbone at some critical points of the network, this means there's really no one do to the job, it's used and programmed at the same time, for real usage. So far as example it's the nat

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-15 Thread Austin Hook
On Thu, 14 May 2020, Theo de Raadt wrote: > That's incredibly insightful! > > You are precisely the true leader OpenBSD needs to compete in the > harsh corporate environment that gives us no respect! Maybe I was wrong. I thought that "advocacy" had disappeared from the official collection of

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-15 Thread Justina Colmena ~biz
On May 14, 2020 5:24:38 PM AKDT, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >So you go find a mailing list noone in the industry reads, >and *cry* into it. > >never know, it might change the world. Or not. > "In the industry" again. Here we go again. I've been banlisted and blackballed out of all those "labor

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Justina Colmena ~biz
On May 14, 2020 4:52:05 PM AKDT, Theo de Raadt wrote: >Aisha Tammy wrote: > ... > >I suspect you are an enthusiastic person who wants to send a mail to >us, >telling us what to do. > >But that which you dream of? You won't left a leg to do any of it. > Lift a leg? We simply cannot get our

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Justina Colmena ~biz
On May 14, 2020 3:24:32 PM AKDT, Theo de Raadt wrote: >Kyle Willett wrote: > >> I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too. I read on an open source >> news site that Lenovo is going to start offering a Fedora Linux >option >> on their Thinkpad lineup and already certifies some for Red Hat

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Aisha Tammy
On 5/14/20 8:52 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Aisha Tammy wrote: > >> On 5/14/20 7:24 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>> Kyle Willett wrote: >>> I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too. I read on an open source news site that Lenovo is going to start offering a Fedora Linux option on

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Aisha Tammy
On 5/14/20 7:24 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Kyle Willett wrote: > >> I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too. I read on an open source >> news site that Lenovo is going to start offering a Fedora Linux option >> on their Thinkpad lineup and already certifies some for Red Hat >> Enterprise

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
That's incredibly insightful! You are precisely the true leader OpenBSD needs to compete in the harsh corporate environment that gives us no respect! Justina Colmena ~biz wrote: > > > > On May 14, 2020 5:24:38 PM AKDT, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > >So you go find a mailing list noone in

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
OpenBSD should become a company selling hardware? That idea is complete bullshit. I have a better idea. How about the people who don't do anything except come up with stupid ideas go away. Kyle Willett wrote: > I did some research about OpenBSD in my graduate cyber security class > and came

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Derek
Hello, my name’s Derek, I subscribed to this email list last year when I was attempting to build a home OpenBSD router. It worked however I’ve got intermediate command line skills at best and I switched over to pfSense for the GUI in order to configure VLANs and OpenVPN client. I think an

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Justina Colmena ~biz wrote: > > > > On May 14, 2020 4:52:05 PM AKDT, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >Aisha Tammy wrote: > > ... > > > >I suspect you are an enthusiastic person who wants to send a mail to > >us, > >telling us what to do. > > > >But that which you dream of? You won't left a leg to

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Justina Colmena ~biz wrote: it must feel refreshing to rant about the things you find unfair and yet won't lift a finger to actually change, oh except finger after finger on a keyboard into a mailing list noone reads > "We" are suffering from many of the same hardware problems you are, when

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
You've done nothing except believe that words are action. Aisha Tammy wrote: > On 5/14/20 8:52 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Aisha Tammy wrote: > > > >> On 5/14/20 7:24 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >>> Kyle Willett wrote: > >>> > I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too. I read on an

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Aisha Tammy wrote: > On 5/14/20 7:24 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Kyle Willett wrote: > > > >> I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too. I read on an open source > >> news site that Lenovo is going to start offering a Fedora Linux option > >> on their Thinkpad lineup and already certifies

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Kyle Willett wrote: > I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too. I read on an open source > news site that Lenovo is going to start offering a Fedora Linux option > on their Thinkpad lineup and already certifies some for Red Hat > Enterprise Linux. I think it would be great if we could get

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Kyle Willett
I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too. I read on an open source news site that Lenovo is going to start offering a Fedora Linux option on their Thinkpad lineup and already certifies some for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. I think it would be great if we could get some hardware manufacturer to

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Aisha Tammy
On 5/14/20 11:03 AM, Austin Hook wrote: > > Bravo, Aisha, > > I myself was wondering why "advocacy" no longer shows up on the lists of > OpenBSD mailing lists. It was a nice place to discuss ideas that are not > just confined to technical software matters. I see that is still works >

Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

2020-05-14 Thread Austin Hook
Bravo, Aisha, I myself was wondering why "advocacy" no longer shows up on the lists of OpenBSD mailing lists. It was a nice place to discuss ideas that are not just confined to technical software matters. I see that is still works however. Next thing is to ask the devs if they would