Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Ed Porter
by them, because the brain has learned from prior inferencing patterns to expect such activations to arise given the task being performed. Ed Porter --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member

RE: [agi] Identity abstraction

2009-01-09 Thread Ed Porter
the switcheroo. This is true even when the new construction worker was obviously, to any one who looked with any care, of a different sex. So probabilistic reasoning is often involved when thinking about identity is done. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Harry Chesley [mailto:ches

RE: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-08 Thread Ed Porter
and they funnel all reasoning through a single narrowly focused process that smushes different inputs to produce output that can appear reasonable in some cases but is really flat and lacks any structure for complex reasoning. Ed Porter This is certainly not true of a Novamente-type system

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

2008-12-26 Thread Ed Porter
dishonest as you become when you start loosing an argument. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:r...@lightlink.com] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:03 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke was Building a machine

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

2008-12-24 Thread Ed Porter
being mixed a bit. Gotta get back to xmas! Yuletide stuff to you. ===ED's reply=== Agreed. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Colin Hales [mailto:c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:55 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

2008-12-23 Thread Ed Porter
probably have to accomplish some of the same general functions, such as automatic pattern learning, credit assignment, attention control, etc. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Colin Hales [mailto:c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:36 PM To: agi@v2

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

2008-12-23 Thread Ed Porter
windbag. Ed Porter P.S. Your postscript is not sufficiently clear to provide much support for your position. P.P.S. You below -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:r...@lightlink.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:53 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

2008-12-22 Thread Ed Porter
Richard, Please describe some of the counterexamples, that you can easily come up with, that make a mockery of Tononi's conclusion. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:r...@lightlink.com] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:54 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

2008-12-22 Thread Ed Porter
-fertilization there that I have heard people at such event describe the benefits of. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Colin Hales [mailto:c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:19 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

2008-12-21 Thread Ed Porter
in particular. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:b...@goertzel.org] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:17 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke was Building a machine that can learn from experience I know

[agi] RE:What is the role of MOSES in Novamente and Open Cog?-----was---- internship opportunity at Google (Mountain View, CA)

2008-12-16 Thread Ed Porter
there is something important I am missing. I would appreciate it very much if you could tell me what it is that I am missing. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Moshe Looks [mailto:madscie...@google.com] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:33 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject

[agi] RE: [OpenCog] Re: What is the role of MOSES in Novamente and Open Cog?-----was---- internship opportunity at Google (Mountain View, CA)

2008-12-16 Thread Ed Porter
at. But it is not clear to me that it is a win for a majority of the types of problems which the human brain performs relatively well. I would be interested in your thoughts (and those of any others on this list) concerning the above. Ed Porter -Original Message- From

FW: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?)

2008-12-11 Thread Ed Porter
An article related to how changes in the epigenonme could affect learning and memory (the subject which started this thread a week ago) http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/21801/ --- agi Archives:

FW: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?)

2008-12-11 Thread Ed Porter
cannot retrieve it due to damage to neural circuits, she adds. -Original Message- From: Ed Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:28 AM To: 'agi@v2.listbox.com' Subject: FW: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?) An article related to how changes in the epigenonme

RE: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?)

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Porter
local changes to mitochondrial DNA, near a synapse are involved. The article does not appear to shed in any light on this issue of how changes in the expression of DNA would affect learning at the synapse level, where most people think it occurs. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard

RE: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?)

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Porter
think the article failed to mention an important part of the theory of what is going on. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Terren Suydam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:16 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?) Ed, That's a good

RE: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?)

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Porter
information in synapses. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Terren Suydam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:00 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?) Ed, Though it seems obvious that synapses are *involved* with memory

RE: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?)

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Porter
appearance. They could also unchanged that particular epigenomic trait back to what it had been in a parent or grandparent. So they were able to change and unchanged traits that were inheritable. So the answer is yes. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto

RE: [agi] Lamarck Lives!(?)

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Porter
of how changes in gene expression in a neuron's nucleus would store memories, even given the knowledge that the epigenome can store information. If there is such an explanation, either now or in the future, I would welcome hearing it. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben

RE: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-02 Thread Ed Porter
imaginings of a drugged mind, arguably far beyond the complexity of the observable universe, without requiring for its representation more than an infinitesimal fraction of anything that could be accurately called infinite. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Hector Zenil [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-02 Thread Ed Porter
curiosity.) Ed Porter -Original Message- From: J. Andrew Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:15 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:31 AM, Ed Porter

RE: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-30 Thread Ed Porter
is capable of conceiving of them, and of seeing evidence that might suggest to some their existence, such as was suggested to Einstein, who for many years I have been told believed in a universe that was infinite in time. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL

[agi] DARPA funds using memsistors to model synapses in neuromorphic computing

2008-11-27 Thread Ed Porter
of a lot cheaper to build. Ed Porter --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=120640061

RE: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might concern them

2008-11-27 Thread Ed Porter
. But that in no way means your statements are correct descriptions of external reality, as many of your statements would appear to claim to be. And you have provided no evidence, other than drug induced experience within your own mind, that they are. Ed Porter -Original Message

RE: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might concern them

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Porter
the probability of this at roughly at least one in ten, a large enough possibility that it should, at least, be considered in discussions of the future of AGI and the singularity. Ed Porter. -Original Message- From: Bob Mottram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:27

RE: [agi] Re: If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might concern them

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Porter
and if they are monitoring us --- because it would mean we would be at the start of a rapid technological development that would mean we could become much more equal with them --- making us either more valuable --- or more threatening --- to them. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Aleksei Riikonen [mailto

RE: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might concern them

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Porter
Translate into English, please. -Original Message- From: Bob Mottram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:35 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might concern them 2008/11/26 Ed Porter [EMAIL

RE: [agi] The Future of AGI

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Porter
to better and more rapidly communicate visual information to humans. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Derek Zahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:03 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] The Future of AGI Although a lot of AI-type research

RE: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might concern them

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Porter
of physics and the cosmological constants that inform them may arise from the content of communication and computation being performed at the psycho-atomic level, where mind manifests in quark form! What could possibly concern such a superior race! On 11/26/08, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

RE: [agi] who is going to build the wittgenstein-ian AI filter to spot all the intellectual nonsense

2008-11-25 Thread Ed Porter
the above quote's definition of mu. Even questions that more clearly fall within the meaning of mu, such as what is the sound of one hand clapping, can have some value for providing an example of mu and warning us of the types of trick language can play on us. Ed Porter -Original

RE: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might concern them

2008-11-25 Thread Ed Porter
or an old though --- if alien life forms are actually monitoring us, our achieving AGI would substantially change our relationship to them and may substantially change their behavior toward us --- and that might just be a very important thought. 'd be interested in your thoughts. Ed

RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
it, to see to what extent it agrees with the above hypothesis. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:50 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness Ego death

[agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
will fare well --- as civilization, as we know it, is increasingly and more rapidly distorted by the momentus changes that face us. But I am 60 years old, so maybe my viewpoint is out of date. Ed Porter --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I assume Ben, as well as a lot of the rest of us, want the AGI movement to receive respectability in the academic and particularly in the funding community, it is probably best that other than brain-science- or AGI-focused discussions of the effects of drugs

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
by the momentous changes that face us. -Original Message- From: Ed Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:30 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: [agi] Entheogins, understainding

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
That there is so much other discussion of drug experiences on the web is one of the reason I think discussions of such experiences here should be limited to discussions that attempt to add to the understanding of AGI or related aspects of brain science. -Original Message- From: BillK

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
. If you have communicable evidence to the contrary, please enlighten me. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:57 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
subjectively experience it, it is real in a certain, very important to us, sense. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:59 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI Dennett

RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-23 Thread Ed Porter
such sensations or by the chattering of the chatbot most of us have inside our heads --- other than for the standard effects on sensations and emotions one would routinely associate with being entheogenned. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday

RE: [agi] To what extent can our minds experience the consciousness of external reality?

2008-11-22 Thread Ed Porter
reality, including matter, can be considered to have information, and information would not be orthogonal to matter. I am sure others on this list could describe this better. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Harry Chesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:17

RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-22 Thread Ed Porter
. This would tend to agree with what you say in your post below. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 2:57 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness You guys

[agi] an advance in brain/computer interfaces

2008-11-21 Thread Ed Porter
surgery. It may well have great potential for the early stages of the transhumanist transformation. http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/21699/ Ed Porter --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https

RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-21 Thread Ed Porter
of these three parts in the proper pronunciations. It is a word that would be deeply appreciated by many at my local Unitarian Church. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:11 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re

RE: [agi] To what extent can our minds experience the consciousness of external reality?

2008-11-21 Thread Ed Porter
mysteries, but probably enough to remove some of them. More interesting is your belief that computational systems *focus consciousness in particular ways. Can you be any more specific about this belief? Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-20 Thread Ed Porter
meditation wise, and have achieve a seen of oneness with the cosmic consciousness. If so, I tip my hat (and Colbert wag of the finger) to you. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:46 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com

RE: [agi] Neurogenesis critical to mammalian learning and memory?

2008-11-18 Thread Ed Porter
I attended a two day seminar on brain science at MIT about six years ago in which one of the papers was about neurognesis in the hippocampus. The speaker said he though neurogenisis was necessary in the hippocampus because hippocampus cells tend to die much more rapidly than most cells, and thus

RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness--correction

2008-11-17 Thread Ed Porter
repeated statement that our subjective experiences are the most real things we have. But just because they are subjective to us now, does not necessarily mean that they are largely beyond the scope of human and AGI assisted science. Ed Porter 1. Kurzweil has claimed we will be able to so

RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness--correction

2008-11-17 Thread Ed Porter
that either system you describe would have anything approaching a human consciousness, and thus a human experience of pain, since they lack the type of computation normally associated with reports by humans of conscious experience. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Matt Mahoney [mailto

RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness--correction

2008-11-17 Thread Ed Porter
on this list might have meaningful additions to the definition of what it is that we should be looking for when we search to understand consciousness. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:39 PM To: agi@v2

RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness--correction

2008-11-17 Thread Ed Porter
possible. In fifty years, humankind will probably know for sure. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Trent Waddington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:19 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem

RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness--correction

2008-11-17 Thread Ed Porter
Waddington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:36 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness--correction On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am talking about the type

RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness--correction

2008-11-17 Thread Ed Porter
, simultaneity, and meaning. -Original Message- From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:46 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness--correction --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Ed Porter

RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Porter
where on the zombie/non-zombie continuum they reside. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:02 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-15 Thread Ed Porter
appreciate the serious, careful, respectful tone of Richard's paper, I disagree strongly with about two thirds of its basic conclusions. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:28 PM To: agi@v2

[agi] Ben and Cassio quoted in Huffington Post Article

2008-11-02 Thread Ed Porter
-machine_n_140115.html I thought Cassio's remarks were some of the most interesting in the article. I am guessing all the financial AI he and Ben did at Web Mind made them pretty knowledgeable about finance. Ed Porter --- agi Archives: https

RE: [agi] Whole Brain Emultion (WBE) - A Roadmap

2008-11-01 Thread Ed Porter
Have only had time to skim it, but appears to be a real resourse for info on an important subject. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Dr. Matthias Heger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:20 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: [agi] Whole Brain Emultion (WBE

RE: [agi] the universe is computable [Was: Occam's Razor and its abuse]

2008-10-31 Thread Ed Porter
of humanity that we continue to use models which involve simplifications derived from levels of organization higher than those described by what is traditionally called physics. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Pei Wang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:09 PM To: agi

RE: [agi] Occam's Razor and its abuse

2008-10-29 Thread Ed Porter
Pei, My understanding is that when you reason from data, you often want the ability to extrapolate, which requires some sort of assumptions about the type of mathematical model to be used. How do you deal with that in NARS? Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Pei Wang [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [agi] Occam's Razor and its abuse

2008-10-28 Thread Ed Porter
don't need any specific pre-selected set of priors. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:50 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Occam's Razor and its abuse Au contraire, I suspect that the fact

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-22 Thread Ed Porter
forward to your confirmation, comments, or corrections about what I have said in this email, and I thank you for your efforts to enlight me. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:52 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Porter
of the problem, since that might prove difficult enough, and since I was just trying to get some rough feeling for whether or not node assemblies might offer substantial gains in possible representational capability, before delving more deeply into the subject. Ed Porter -Original Message

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Porter
this formula is a proper lower bounds, in a little more detail than in the email in which you first presented it, I would appreciate it very much, it would let me know how much faith I should put into the above numerical results. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Vladimir Nesov

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Porter
higher than the cost of a link. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:28 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question? makes sense, yep... i guess my intuition

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Porter
, but, as I said above, if your formula is correct, I think it is quite important, and I would like to understand it. And if it has limitations, or if it could use corrections, I would like to know what they are. Thank you again for your time. Ed Porter -Original Message- From

FW: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Porter
cross talk between concept assemblies, might not be above that which would be desired for such other purposes. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ed Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:09 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] Who is smart

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-20 Thread Ed Porter
be interested to see what results it would give. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:38 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question? Well, coding theory does let you

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-20 Thread Ed Porter
the population of different attractors could have different timing or timing patterns, and if the auto associatively was sensitive to such timing, this problem could be greatly reduced. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 4

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-16 Thread Ed Porter
Ben Goertzel wrote on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:57 PM Is the other node assembly B fixed? So you're asking how many assemblies of size S will have less than O nodes overlap with some specific node assembly B with size S? [Ed Porter] Ben, If I understand your above quoted

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-16 Thread Ed Porter
of the combinations in A is allowed to overlap by more than O with any other combination in A makes things much more complex, and way beyond my understanding. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 8:05 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-16 Thread Ed Porter
with the participation of individual nodes with different assemblies change by different amounts over time. Also most of the neurobiological discussion I have read about cell assemblies indicates that often an individual neuron can be in many different cell assemblies as once. Ed Porter -Original

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-16 Thread Ed Porter
keyphrases to use in hunting down related theorems if you want to. You are right that it's a nontrivial combinatorial problem -- Ben On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, Actually I am looking for a function A =f(N,S,O). If one leaves out the O, and merely

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-16 Thread Ed Porter
/ practical stuff... On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, Thanks. I spent about an hour trying to understand this paper, and, from my limited reading and understanding, it was not clear it would answer my question, even if I took the time that would be necessary

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-16 Thread Ed Porter
don't see it anymore. It was published as chapter 3 in Bar-Cohen, Y. [Ed.] Biomimetics: Biologically Inspired Technologies, CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL (2006). Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:40 PM To: agi@v2

RE: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-16 Thread Ed Porter
me with a few impressive examples. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:40 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question? On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ed Porter

[agi] Who is smart enough to answer this question?

2008-10-15 Thread Ed Porter
can represent. Ed Porter --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=117534816-b15a34

RE: [agi] Perceptrons Movie

2008-09-23 Thread Ed Porter
the question, why don't you send a brief polite email to geof at the email address on his web site. He responded to a message I sent him with a brief, but helpful reply. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:57 PM To: agi@v2

RE: [agi] Perceptrons Movie

2008-09-22 Thread Ed Porter
are linear, would be extremely difficult to get much out of. Hinton uses a more multi-leveled net, with non-linear nodes, and with a specified learning algorithm, and actually shows the imagining or dreaming that the video mentioned below only talks about. Ed Porter -Original Message- From

RE: [agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue

2008-08-14 Thread Ed Porter
. But it is possible that it will be quite a while before we can develop electronics as cheap and as power efficient as neurons. (Of course it is also possible that electronic advances will happen so fast that there is no real reason for using wetware.) Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Mike

[agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue

2008-08-13 Thread Ed Porter
A 'Frankenrobot' with a biological brain Meet Gordon, probably the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue. Article at http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080813192458.ud84hj9hshow_article=1 --- agi Archives:

RE: [agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue

2008-08-13 Thread Ed Porter
. It suggests wetware supplemented hardware could, perhaps, prove to be the earliest, cheapest path to computing platforms capable of human level AGI at a reasonable cost and at reasonable levels of power consumption. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

[agi] For an indication of the complexity of primate brain hardware

2008-08-06 Thread Ed Porter
magnification to see their detail. Ed Porter --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=108809214

RE: [agi] META: do we need a stronger politeness code on this list?

2008-08-05 Thread Ed Porter
with a new argument that a people on the list I respected said was important that indicated that SFI complexity would make it impossible to design AGI from Novamente/OpenCog-like elements, I would be interested in reading it. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: David Clark [mailto:[EMAIL

[agi] EVIDENCE RICHARD DOES NOT UNDERSTAND COMPLEX SYSTEM ISSUES THAT WELL

2008-08-02 Thread Ed Porter
it objectively. If Richard were motivated more by trying to understand the truth, and less by wanting to feel smarter than everyone else, I think he could contribute much more to this list. Ed Porter P.S. To be fair I have read much less of Richard's posts since the FOUR FEATURES OF DESIGN

RE: [agi] EVIDENCE RICHARD DOES NOT UNDERSTAND COMPLEX SYSTEM ISSUES THAT WELL

2008-08-02 Thread Ed Porter
dishonest. Richard, I think you are an intelligent guy. It is a shame your intelligence is not freed from the childishness, and neediness, and dishonesty of your ego. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:23 PM

RE: [agi] How do we know we don't know?

2008-07-29 Thread Ed Porter
is not found quickly, could cause even more attention to be allocated to the search, pushing the search and its failure into clear conscious awareness. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Abram Demski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:25 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-15 Thread Ed Porter
, and is that interpretation included in what your Google clippings indicate is the generally understood meaning of the term backward chaining. Ed Porter P.S. I would appreciate answers for Abram or any else on this list who understands the question and has some knowledge on the subject

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-15 Thread Ed Porter
Jim, Sorry. Obviously I did not understand you. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Jim Bromer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:33 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM? Ed

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-15 Thread Ed Porter
Abram, Thanks, for the info. The concept that the only purpose of backward chaining to find appropriate forward chaining paths, is an important clarification of my understanding. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Abram Demski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Porter
what time I have to spend on this list conversing with people who are more concerned about truth than trying to sound like they know more than others, particularly when they don't. Anyone who reads this thread will know who was being honest and reasonable and who was not. Ed Porter -Original

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Porter
ego, if you gave reasons for your criticisms, and if you took the time to ensure your criticism actually addressed what you are criticizing. In your post immediately below you did neither. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Mark Waser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Porter
Response to Abram Demski message of Monday, July 14, 2008 10:59 AM Abram It is true that Mark Waser did not provide much justification, but I think he is right. The if-then rules involved in forward/backward chaining do not need to be causal, or temporal. [Ed Porter] I

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Porter
Mark, Still fails to deal with what I was discussing. I will leave it up to you to figure out why. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Mark Waser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:54 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Porter
are likely to be able to purchase for one or two cents from the back of a comic book. If however the same rule were applied to me, I would be able to buy an AGI as powerful as Phantom Decoder Ring worth at least a buck. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Porter
probability at all. Interestingly increasing or decreasing a nodes activation tends to spread ? activation seeking feedback on whether the increased or decrease in probability is supported or contradicted by other information in the network. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Abram Demski

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Porter
and presumably large semantic space. Unfortunately I was unable to understand from your description how you claimed to have accomplished this. Could you please clarify you description with regard to this point. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Jim Bromer [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-13 Thread Ed Porter
Jim, Thanks for your questions. Ben Goertzel is coming out with a book on Novamente soon and I assume it will have a lot of good things to say on the topics you have mentioned. Below are some of my comments Ed Porter JIM BROMER WROTE=== Can you describe some

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-13 Thread Ed Porter
have unfairly criticized the statements of another. Ed Porter ==Wikipedia defines forward chaining as: == Forward chaining is one of the two main methods of reasoning when using inference rules (in artificial intelligence). The other is backward chaining. Forward chaining

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-13 Thread Ed Porter
actually spend some time thinking about how to generalize Shruiti. If they, or there equivalent, are not in Ben's new Novamente book I may take the trouble to write them up, but I am expecting a lot form Ben's new book. I did not understand your last sentence Ed Porter -Original

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-10 Thread Ed Porter
time to look at one small part of your post today... Ed Porter wrote: The Does Mary own a book? example, once the own relationship is activated with Mary in the owner slot and a book in the owned-object slot, spreads ? activation, which asks if there any related relationships or instances

RE: FW: [agi] WHAT PORTION OF CORTICAL PROCESSES ARE BOUND BY THE BINDING PROBLEM?

2008-07-10 Thread Ed Porter
. == MIKE'S RESPONSE= Do you think the brain works by massive search in dealing with problems? Chess - a top master may consider consciously v. roughly 150 moves in a minute. Do you think his unconscious brain is considering a lot more? How many, roughly in what time? ===ED PORTER = Big Blue

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