Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-03 Thread Samantha Atkins
Matt Mahoney wrote: Steve Richfield wrote: How about an international ban on the deployment of all unmanned and automated weapons? How about a ban on suicide bombers to level the playing field? 1984 has truly arrived. No it hasn't. People want public surveillance. Guess I am not people

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-03 Thread tintner michael
Samantha: please note that full surveillance means no successful rebellion no matter how bad the powers that be become and how ineffectual the means that let remain legal are to change things. Ever I totally agree that surveillance will become ever more massive - because it has v. positive as

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-03 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:56 AM, tintner michael tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: I totally agree that surveillance will become ever more massive - because it has v. positive as well as negative benefits. But people will find ways of resisting and evading it - they always do. And it's

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-03 Thread Matt Mahoney
: Samantha Atkins sjatk...@gmail.com To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 6:49:34 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Walker Lake Matt Mahoney wrote: Steve Richfield wrote: How about an international ban on the deployment of all unmanned and automated weapons? How about a ban on suicide bombers

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-03 Thread Matt Mahoney
if everyone has a voice, and we have an AGI that makes that voice available to everyone else. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From: Steve Richfield steve.richfi...@gmail.com To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 10:03:27 PM Subject: Re: [agi

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-02 Thread David Jones
How about you go to war yourself or send your children. I'd rather send a robot. It's safer for both the soldier and the people on the ground because you don't have to shoot first, ask questions later. And you're right, we shouldn't monitor anyone. We should just allow terrorists to talk openly

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Tintner
Steve:How about an international ban on the deployment of all unmanned and automated weapons? You might as well ask for a ban on war (or, perhaps, aggression). I strongly recommend reading the SciAm July 2010 issue on robotic warfare. The US already operates from memory somewhere between

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-02 Thread Russell Wallace
I don't often request list moderation, but if this kind of off-topic spam and clueless trolling doesn't call for it, nothing does, so: I hereby request that a moderator take appropriate action. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Steve Richfield steve.richfi...@gmail.comwrote: Sometime when you are

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-02 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, I grant you your points, but they miss the my point. Where is this ultimately leading - to a superpower with the ability to kill its opponents without any risk to itself. This may be GREAT so long as you agree with and live under that superpower, but how about when things change for the

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-02 Thread Matt Mahoney
Steve Richfield wrote: How about an international ban on the deployment of all unmanned and automated weapons? How about a ban on suicide bombers to level the playing field? 1984 has truly arrived. No it hasn't. People want public surveillance. It is also necessary for AGI. In order for

Re: [agi] Walker Lake

2010-08-02 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Matt Mahoney matmaho...@yahoo.com wrote: Steve Richfield wrote: How about an international ban on the deployment of all unmanned and automated weapons? How about a ban on suicide bombers to level the playing field? Of course we already have that.